Sanders v. State , 364 P.3d 412 ( 2015 )


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    THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF ALASKA
    RYAN JOHN SANDERS,                             )
    )        Supreme Court No. S-15403
    Petitioner,              )        Court of Appeals No. A-10943
    )
    v.                                       )        Superior Court No. 3AN-07-00018 CR
    )
    STATE OF ALASKA,                               )        OPINION
    )
    Respondent.              )        No. 7058 – October 9, 2015
    )
    Petition for Hearing from the Court of Appeals of the State of
    Alaska, on appeal from the Superior Court of the State of
    Alaska, Third Judicial District, Anchorage, Michael Spaan,
    Judge.
    Appearances:      Michael Schwaiger, Assistant Public
    Defender, and Quinlan Steiner, Public Defender, Anchorage,
    for Petitioner. Kenneth M. Rosenstein, Assistant Attorney
    General, Office of Special Prosecutions & Appeals,
    Anchorage, and Michael C. Geraghty, Attorney General,
    Juneau, for Respondent.
    Before: Fabe, Chief Justice, Stowers, Maassen, and Bolger,
    Justices, and Matthews, Senior Justice.* [Winfree, Justice,
    not participating.]
    FABE, Chief Justice.
    BOLGER, Justice, with whom STOWERS, Justice, joins,
    dissenting in part.
    *
    Sitting by assignment made under article IV, section 11 of the Alaska
    Constitution and Alaska Administrative Rule 23(a).
    I.    INTRODUCTION
    A criminal defendant on trial for two murders sought to admit a recording
    of a phone call to the police, placed by a young woman who had since died. On the
    recording, the young woman told a police officer that one of the victims had told her that
    both victims were conspiring to attack and rob the defendant. In support of his motion
    to admit the recording, the defendant argued that the recording was critical to his
    defense, which centered on justified self-defense and heat of passion. The defendant
    invoked the hearsay exceptions for a declarant’s then existing state of mind, an
    unavailable declarant’s statement against penal interest, and the residual exception for
    unavailable declarants, as well as his constitutional right to present a defense. The
    superior court denied the motion. The jury, presented with no evidence of the alleged
    conspiracy to attack and rob the defendant, convicted him of first- and second-degree
    murder. He appealed, and the court of appeals affirmed his conviction.
    We granted the defendant’s petition for hearing to decide whether the
    deceased witness’s statement should have been admitted at trial. We conclude that it
    should have been admitted, and we therefore reverse the defendant’s convictions and
    remand for a new trial.
    II.   FACTS AND PROCEEDINGS
    A.     Facts
    1.      The incident
    On New Year’s Eve 2006, Ryan Sanders shot and killed Travis Moore and
    Ashlee Richards at his home. Sanders had invited Moore to a gathering at Sanders’s
    apartment after Moore called him several times that evening. Moore arrived in an SUV
    with Richards, Raven Ketzler, and his girlfriend, Sherrell Porterfield. Moore, who was
    carrying an unloaded 9mm caliber Beretta pistol, entered Sanders’s apartment with
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    Porterfield and Richards, who was carrying a push knife.1 The three left a machete in
    their SUV along with Ketzler, who did not come into Sanders’s apartment during the
    more than thirty minutes the other three were inside. Nine people were present in
    Sanders’s apartment: Sanders; Moore; Richards; Porterfield; Sanders’s brother, Joseph;
    Sanders’s one-year-old daughter; Sanders’s girlfriend, Melissa; Sanders’s girlfriend’s
    brother, Jeremy; and Jeremy’s girlfriend, Mary Jane.
    According to Sanders’s statement to the police, he was talking in his
    bedroom with his brother and Moore when Moore pulled out his Beretta and hit
    Sanders’s head with it, splitting open the skin above his eyebrow. Sanders fell to the
    ground between his bed and the wall, reached for a nearby .38 caliber revolver, and shot
    at Moore four or five times. Two bullets struck Moore. According to Sanders, everyone,
    including Moore, ran from the shots. Moore collapsed and died outside the apartment
    alongside the walkway leading to the front door.
    Sanders, who claimed he was unsure whether he had hit Moore, grabbed
    a .40 caliber Glock semi-automatic handgun and ran outside. He saw “a black coat with
    fur on it running towards [the] SUV” and remembered that Moore had been wearing a
    “big black jacket” with fur on it. Sanders stated that he pursued and shot at the running
    person, not noticing Moore’s body as he ran past it. The running person was Richards.
    Sanders shot Richards nine times, and a tenth bullet grazed her hand. Richards was
    pronounced dead at the hospital.
    Sanders claimed that he stopped shooting after Richards fell and that he was
    five to ten feet away. Forensic evidence and some witness testimony, however,
    suggested that some shots were fired into Richards after she fell. Sanders also stated that
    1
    A push knife is a weapon designed to be grasped so the blade sticks out
    from the front of the fist. See People v. Owens, 2d Crim. No. B248606, 
    2014 WL 3667199
    , at *1 n.3 (Cal. App. July 24, 2014).
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    he did not realize that he had been shooting at someone other than Moore until after it
    was over, when he approached Richards and saw her hair and then saw Moore’s body
    for the first time while returning to the apartment. Richards was an overweight
    Caucasian woman with hair past her shoulders. Moore was a fit African-American man
    with short-cropped hair.
    Back in his apartment, Sanders put down his Glock and waited. Before the
    police arrived Sanders asked his girlfriend’s brother, Jeremy, to get the .38 out of the
    apartment. Jeremy hid the .38 in a parking lot underneath a car, where the police later
    found it.
    The first police officer arriving on scene had to swerve to miss the SUV in
    which Moore arrived and which was pulling out of the driveway. After stopping for a
    moment when it almost hit the first officer’s car, the SUV continued to try to leave. The
    second officer to arrive blocked the street, stopping the SUV from leaving.
    Sanders, holding a “really bloody” towel to his head, told the first officer
    that he had been hit in the head with a pistol and then shot two people and that his Glock
    was inside on the coffee table. While being questioned later at the police station, Sanders
    denied that any weapons other than a disassembled rifle, Moore’s Beretta, and Sanders’s
    Glock had been in the apartment. When the police stated that someone had gotten rid of
    a gun and they had recovered it, Sanders then admitted that the .38 was involved and that
    he had asked Jeremy to remove it from the apartment. Sanders said that he did so and
    lied about it only because he had recently bought the .38 under questionable
    circumstances. Sanders also stated that he had no idea why Moore attacked him, but that
    Moore and Joseph, Sanders’s brother, had “real problems” because some people,
    including Joseph, had been at Moore’s house and “some money [came] up missing.”
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    2.     Carmela Bacod’s statement to the police
    Two days after the shootings Detective Mark Huelskoetter, the lead
    detective in the case, received a phone call from Carmela Bacod, which he recorded.2
    The 17-year-old Bacod described a series of events stretching back “about two weeks
    now,” which had started when “Ryan Sanders, he stole money from one of our friends.”
    She explained that Richards had been her best friend since third grade, that she had
    known Moore “for a couple months,” and that she had met Ketzler once. She stated that
    she had never met Sanders. Bacod reported that she “was supposed to go with them to
    their house . . . that night,” and correctly stated that Ketzler and Porterfield, both of
    whom she physically described, had been present along with Moore and Richards.
    Bacod described a phone call with Richards “about a week and a half ago,”
    in which Richards told Bacod that Richards, Moore, Ketzler, and Porterfield had been
    hanging out with Sanders one night when they all fell asleep and woke up to discover
    Sanders gone, along with money that had belonged to Ketzler. Bacod told Detective
    Huelskoetter that “they wanted to go beat him up to get the money back,” and that
    “Ashlee [Richards] just told me that they wanted the money back, and then they were
    gonna jump ‘em for it.” Bacod also told Detective Huelskoetter that Richards “told me
    that earlier they tried before or something like that, and Ryan’s brother got mad or
    something and pulled a gun on [Raven Ketzler’s] face, or something like that.” And she
    answered affirmatively when Detective Huelskoetter asked her, “[Y]ou know that Travis
    [Moore] wanted to beat Ryan [Sanders] up over the money?” and “[W]hen they were
    goin’ over there that was pretty much the idea, is that Travis [Moore] was gonna beat
    [Sanders] up?”
    2
    A transcript of the call follows this opinion as an appendix.
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    Later in the call, Bacod was more circumspect.            When Detective
    Huelskoetter asked her if she “knew that kinda the plan was that Travis [Moore] and his
    girlfriend and Ashlee [Richards] and — and some other girl named Raven [Ketzler] were
    gonna go over there and essentially jump them to get their money back,” Bacod stated,
    “Not — not jump, like, you know, like, talk.” She then stated, “But obviously they’re
    young, so, you know, there’s gonna be violence in it. But I couldn’t stop them.”3
    Bacod gave Detective Huelskoetter her name, date of birth, phone number,
    and address. She took his name and direct phone number, which she recorded with a pen
    she requested from her mother, and told him she would call if she thought of anything
    else.
    Sanders was not informed of Bacod’s call to Detective Huelskoetter until
    March 2008, more than a year later. Before trial and less than three months after Sanders
    had learned of her call, Bacod was killed in a car accident.
    B.   Proceedings
    1.     Charges
    Ten days after the shootings Sanders was indicted on five counts:
    first-degree murder of Moore (Count I), first-degree murder of Richards (Count II),
    second-degree murder of Moore (Count III), second-degree murder of Richards
    (Count IV), and tampering with physical evidence (Count V).
    2.     Motion in limine to admit Bacod’s statement
    In February 2009 Sanders filed a motion in limine to admit Bacod’s
    statement at trial. Sanders argued for admission based upon his due process right to
    present a defense and Alaska Rules of Evidence 803(3) (the state of mind exception to
    3
    According to the transcript, Bacod and Detective Huelskoetter were talking
    over one another during this exchange.
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    hearsay) and 804(b)(3) (the exception for statements against an unavailable declarant’s
    interest) for Richards’s statement to Bacod, and 804(b)(5) (the unavailable declarant
    residual hearsay exception) for Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter.
    The superior court denied Sanders’s motion, stating that “Ms. Richards’[s]
    statements to Ms. Bacod regarding her intention to go to the Defendant’s residence with
    Mr. Moore are not admissible under Rule 803(3) as circumstantial evidence that either
    Ms. Richards [or] Mr. Moore planned to rob and assault the D efendant.” The superior
    court stated its understanding of the specifics of Richards’s statement:
    There is no evidence Ms. Richards actually stated she or
    Mr. Moore planned to assault and rob the Defendant. In the
    recorded statement, Ms. Bacod extrapolates the inevitability
    of violence from Ms. Richards’[s] statements. . . . As earlier
    noted, Ms. Bacod states that Ms. Richards told them they
    were going over to the Defendant’s residence to talk.
    Ms. Bacod added that there would likely be violence, but she
    does not state that Ms. Richards affirmatively stated their
    intention was to rob or assault the Defendant.
    Regarding the applicability of Rule 804(b)(5) to Bacod’s statement, the
    superior court stated that “[t]he trustworthiness of the statement may not be established
    by corroborating evidence” — citing Ryan v. State,4 which in turn cited the United States
    Supreme Court case Idaho v. Wright5 — and therefore did not consider any extrinsic
    corroborating evidence. The superior court stated its understanding of the specifics of
    Bacod’s statement:
    The relationship between Ms. Bacod, the Defendant,
    and the shooting victims in this case is essentially unknown.
    It is clear that all four parties were in the same social circle,
    but the only evidence of their relationships to one another is
    4
    
    899 P.2d 1371
    , 1375 (Alaska App. 1995).
    5
    
    497 U.S. 805
    , 822-24 (1990).
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    contained in the recording itself. . . . The lack of evidence in
    this respect does not indicate any motivation for Ms. Bacod
    to lie in the Defendant’s favor, but neither does it explain her
    motivation for calling the police to speak against her fallen
    friends.[6]
    While it is true Ms. Bacod made her statement to a
    government agent, Ms. Bacod was not under oath and there
    were no subsequent interviews where Detective Huelskoetter
    or any other government agent could cross-examine
    Ms. Bacod regarding her statements or otherwise test her
    knowledge and veracity. The Detective merely took
    Ms. Bacod’s statements and indicated he might contact her
    again. Ms. Bacod gave her statement telephonically and
    there is no way to tell where she was or who else was in the
    room when she made the call. The statements simply are not
    “so trustworthy that adversarial testing would add little to its
    reliability.”21
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    21
    
    Ryan, 899 P.2d at 1375
    (quoting Idaho v.
    
    Wright, 497 U.S. at 821
    ); see also Vaska v. State, 
    135 P.3d 1011
    , 1020 (Alaska 2006).
    3.     Trial
    Trial took place in August 2010. None of the nine adults who were at the
    house testified. No evidence was presented regarding Richards’s push knife or the
    machete in the SUV.7 Bacod’s statement was not introduced, and no evidence was
    6
    We note the conundrum created by the court’s statement that the lack of
    extrinsic evidence regarding the relationship between Bacod, Sanders, and others
    counted against Bacod’s statement’s admission, given the court’s prior conclusion that
    extrinsic evidence could not be considered when determining the statement’s
    trustworthiness.
    7
    On the first day of trial the State moved for a protective order preventing
    Sanders from mentioning the push knife and machete during voir dire and his opening
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    presented that Ketzler stayed in the SUV. The superior court instructed the jury
    regarding five defense theories: justified self-defense, heat of passion, defense of
    premises, defense of a third person, and reasonable mistake of fact (regarding Richards’s
    identity).
    During opening statements and closing arguments, the State maintained that
    self-defense and defense of others did not apply because Sanders’s actions were
    excessive. The State painted Sanders as a liar who also had others lie for him, and it
    questioned whether Moore had actually been the first aggressor. The State contended
    that even if the heat of passion defense initially applied, Sanders had time to cool down
    while he grabbed the second gun and chased Moore out of the apartment. The State also
    contended that no justification could defend against the first-degree murder of Richards
    because it would be an unreasonable mistake of fact to believe that she was Moore or that
    she was armed.
    During opening and closing arguments, counsel for Sanders argued that
    Sanders had been truthful, stating that he immediately took responsibility for the two
    deaths, waited quietly for the police, put down the Glock in a safe place, and answered
    the police officer’s questions. Sanders’s counsel argued that Sanders quickly told the
    truth about the .38 and that he had lied at first only because he was worried about that
    gun’s provenance. Counsel for Sanders argued that Sanders committed no crime in
    killing Moore, who had attacked him without warning in his home, because it was self-
    defense. His counsel also argued that even if Sanders had not acted in self-defense, he
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    (...continued)
    statement. The court granted this request because there was no evidence that “the knife”
    was brandished at Sanders or that he knew of “the knife,” and it admonished Sanders’s
    counsel not to mention either weapon in voir dire or his opening argument. The court
    indicated it would take up the issue later if evidence of either the knife’s or machete’s
    relevance developed during the trial.
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    acted in the heat of passion. Counsel further argued that he had made a reasonable
    mistake of fact regarding Richards’s identity, given the low lighting outside, the
    similarity of Richards’s and Moore’s coats, and the fast-paced, frenetic situation.
    The jury found Sanders not guilty of first-degree murder of Moore, but
    guilty of the lesser included second-degree murder of Moore under Count I. The jury
    also found Sanders guilty of the remaining counts, as charged: first-degree murder of
    Richards, second-degree murder of Moore under a different theory,8 second-degree
    murder of Richards, and tampering with physical evidence. By returning these verdicts,
    the jury rejected all five defense theories.9
    4.     Appeal to the court of appeals
    On appeal Sanders argued that the superior court had erred by refusing to
    allow him to introduce Bacod’s statement at trial.10 The court of appeals concluded that
    8
    Different second-degree murder theories were used for the lesser-included
    second-degree murder offenses under Counts I and II and the second-degree murder
    offenses charged directly in Counts III and IV.
    9
    The jury was instructed that justified self-defense was a complete defense
    to first-degree murder, second-degree murder, and manslaughter. If the jury believed
    Sanders killed Moore in justified self-defense, it would have found Sanders not guilty
    of all charges related to Moore’s death. Instead, the jury found Sanders guilty of the
    second-degree murder of Moore under two theories.
    The jury also was instructed that heat of passion was a defense to the lesser
    included second-degree murder theories but not the direct second-degree murder charges.
    The jury found Sanders guilty of all second-degree murder offenses, demonstrating that
    it did not believe Sanders killed Moore or Richards in the heat of passion.
    10
    See Sanders v. State, Mem. Op. & J. No. 5991, 
    2013 WL 6229377
    , at *1
    (Alaska App. Nov. 27, 2013). Sanders also argued that the superior court erred by
    allowing the State to introduce his girlfriend’s and his brother’s false statements to the
    police: Detective Huelskoetter testified that Sanders’s girlfriend said that Sanders’s
    (continued...)
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    the superior court “did not abuse [its] discretion” by finding Bacod’s statement
    inadmissible, stating:
    Bacod told the police that Richards said to her that they were
    going to go over to Sanders’s residence to confront him.
    Bacod added that she thought the confrontation was likely to
    be violent.
    ....
    In the present case, Sanders offered Bacod’s
    out-of-court statements for the purpose of proving that
    Richards and Moore went to Sanders’s house intending to use
    violence to retrieve money from Sanders or his brother. But
    even according to Bacod, Richards never said that she or
    Moore intended to use violence; instead Richards said that
    they wished to talk to Sanders about the money. In Bacod’s
    statements to the police, she acknowledged that the
    possibility of violence was only her speculation, or her after­
    the-fact gloss on her conversation with Richards.[11]
    Like the superior court, the court of appeals quoted Ryan v. State for the
    proposition that “evidence admitted under the residual hearsay exceptions must possess
    ‘particularized guarantees of trustworthiness’ making it ‘so trustworthy that adversarial
    testing would add little to its reliability.’ ”12 The court added, “[T]here was essentially
    10
    (...continued)
    brother fired a rifle inside the apartment; he also testified that Sanders’s brother said that
    Moore fired at Sanders first. 
    Id. at *1,
    *5-6. The State labeled both statements “lies” in
    its closing argument while questioning Sanders’s veracity and whether Moore was the
    first aggressor. The court of appeals concluded that the admission of these statements
    was error, but was harmless. See 
    id. at *1,
    *7.
    11
    
    Id. at *1,
    *5.
    12
    
    Id. at *5
    (quoting 
    899 P.2d 1371
    , 1375 (Alaska App. 1995)).
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    no evidence regarding Bacod’s potential motivation for contacting the police.”13 The
    court of appeals upheld the trial judge’s ruling.14
    Regarding Sanders’s argument that the exclusion of Bacod’s statement
    violated his due process right to present a defense, the court of appeals stated, “[I]n
    general, a trial court does not commit error by properly applying the evidence rules.”15
    The court of appeals then concluded: “We have previously pointed out the lack of
    reliability of Bacod’s recorded statement to establish the proposition for which it was
    offered. We conclude that the trial court’s proper application of the evidence rules did
    not unfairly limit Sanders’s ability to present a defense.”16
    Chief Judge Mannheimer concurred with the court’s opinion, writing
    separately to point out that Sanders wished to introduce Richards’s statement to prove
    Moore’s future actions.17 Chief Judge Mannheimer cited the Commentary to Rule 803(3)
    (the state of mind hearsay exception) to explain that the Rule “does not allow a litigant
    to introduce one person’s statement about their current mental state (including their
    current plans) for the purpose of proving another person’s future actions.”18 This
    13
    
    Id. 14 Id.
          15
    
    Id. 16 Id.
          17
    See 
    id. at *7-10
    (Mannheimer, C.J., concurring).
    18
    
    Id. at *8
    (emphasis in original).
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    provided, in his view, an additional reason that the contested statements were not
    admissible.19
    5.    Petition for hearing
    Sanders filed a petition for hearing with this court, and we granted it, in
    part, on “whether exclusion of Carmela Bacod’s hearsay statement to the investigating
    detective was reversible error.”
    Sanders argues that Bacod’s statement was admissible under the Rules of
    Evidence — using both Rule 803(3) (the state of mind hearsay exception) and
    Rule 804(b)(5) (the unavailable declarant residual hearsay exception) — to show
    Richards’s intent and conduct in going to Sanders’s apartment on New Year’s Eve.
    Sanders also argues, based on his constitutional right to present a defense, that Bacod’s
    statement was admissible to show both Richards’s and Moore’s intent and conduct in
    going to Sanders’s apartment. Sanders argues that the failure to admit the statement
    under these theories was error and that the error was not harmless.
    III.   STANDARD OF REVIEW
    A trial court’s “[f]actual findings are reviewed for clear error. We will
    reverse . . . factual findings only when, after a review of the entire record, we are left
    with a definite and firm conviction that a mistake has been made.”20 When the
    admissibility of evidence “turns on a question of law, such as the ‘correct scope or
    interpretation of a rule of evidence,’ we apply our ‘independent judgment . . . .’ ”21
    19
    See 
    id. at *8-10.
           20
    Lee v. Konrad, 
    337 P.3d 510
    , 517 (Alaska 2014) (footnote and internal
    quotation marks omitted).
    21
    Barton v. N. Slope Borough Sch. Dist., 
    268 P.3d 346
    , 350 (Alaska 2012)
    (quoting City of Bethel v. Peters, 
    97 P.3d 822
    , 825 (Alaska 2004)). In contrast, when we
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    Under the de novo standard of review, we adopt the rule of law that is “most persuasive
    in light of reason, precedent and policy.”22 We also review constitutional interpretation
    issues de novo.23
    IV.    DISCUSSION
    “Hearsay is a statement, other than one made by the declarant while
    testifying at the trial or hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter
    asserted.”24 As a general rule hearsay is not admissible,25 but the Rules of Evidence
    contain exceptions26 and define certain types of out-of-court statements as not hearsay.27
    The proposed evidence in this case contains two levels of hearsay, each of which must
    be individually admissible for the exclusions Sanders challenges to have been
    21
    (...continued)
    review a trial court’s decision to admit or exclude evidence solely as an application of
    a correctly interpreted rule of evidence to the facts of the instant case, we apply the abuse
    of discretion standard of review. See Greene v. Tinker, 
    332 P.3d 21
    , 31, 37-38 (Alaska
    2014) (evaluating for abuse of discretion a trial court’s decision to admit testimony of
    late-identified witness).
    22
    
    Barton, 268 P.3d at 350
    (internal quotation marks omitted); see also
    ConocoPhillips Alaska, Inc. v. Williams Alaska Petroleum, Inc., 
    322 P.3d 114
    , 122
    (Alaska 2014).
    23
    See Khan v. State, 
    278 P.3d 893
    , 896 (Alaska 2012).
    24
    Alaska R. Evid. 801(c).
    25
    See Alaska R. Evid. 802.
    26
    See Alaska R. Evid. 803-04.
    27
    See Alaska R. Evid. 801(d).
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    erroneous.28 If either Richards’s statement to Bacod or Bacod’s statement to Detective
    Huelskoetter was inadmissible, the proposed evidence was entirely inadmissible.
    A.	    Richards’s Statement To Bacod Was Admissible As Evidence of
    Richards’s Then Existing State Of Mind Under Alaska Rule Of
    Evidence 803(3).
    Under Alaska Rule of Evidence 803(3), “[a] statement of the declarant’s
    then existing state of mind, emotion, sensation, or physical condition (such as intent,
    plan, motive, design, mental feeling, pain, and bodily health) offered to prove the
    declarant’s present condition or future action,” is not excluded by the hearsay rule.
    Sanders argues that Richards’s statement to Bacod was admissible to show Richards’s
    intent and conduct in going to Sanders’s apartment. We agree.
    The superior court found that “[t]here is no evidence Ms. Richards actually
    stated she or Mr. Moore planned to assault and rob [Sanders].” Instead, the superior
    court concluded, “Ms. Bacod extrapolates the inevitability of violence from
    Ms. Richards’s statement.” The court of appeals agreed, stating that “even according to
    Bacod, Richards never said that she or Moore intended to use violence; instead Richards
    said that they wished to talk to Sanders about the money.”29 The court of appeals also
    concluded that “[i]n Bacod’s statements to the police, she acknowledged that the
    possibility of violence was only her speculation, or her after-the-fact gloss on her
    conversation with Richards.”30
    We disagree with this interpretation of Bacod’s statement. Bacod’s first
    recorded words to Detective Huelskoetter were, “Everything happened, and she told me,
    28
    See Alaska R. Evid. 805.
    29
    Sanders v. State, Mem. Op. & J. No. 5991, 
    2013 WL 6229377
    , at *5
    (Alaska App. Nov. 27, 2013).
    30
    
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    like, actually it’s been goin’ on for like, about two weeks now. Um, the — Ryan
    Sanders, he stole money from one of our friends, and they wanted to go beat him up to
    get the money back.” (Emphasis added.) Bacod later stated, “Ashlee just told me that
    they wanted the money back, and then they were gonna jump ‘em for it,” and said “[s]he
    told me that earlier they tried before or something like that.” (Emphasis added.) She also
    answered in the affirmative when Detective Huelskoetter twice asked her direct questions
    verifying that Moore was planning to go beat up Sanders:
    Q.    So — but you know that Travis [Moore] wanted to
    beat Ryan [Sanders] up over the money?
    A.	       Yeah.
    Q.     And that when they were goin’ over there that was
    pretty much the idea, is that Travis [Moore] was gonna beat
    [Sanders] up?
    A.	       Yeah.
    Only after verifying with Detective Huelskoetter that Porterfield and
    Ketzler, who were both still alive, had been present the night of the shooting did Bacod
    partially backtrack:
    Q.      So, now, just let me see if I understand correctly, that
    you knew that kinda the plan was that Travis [Moore] and his
    girlfriend and Ashlee [Richards] and — and some other girl
    named Raven [Ketzler] were gonna go over there and
    essentially jump them to get their money back?
    A.	       Not - not jump, like, you know, like, talk.
    ....
    A.    [T]hey’re young, so, you know, there’s gonna be
    violence in it.
    ....
    A.	       But, I couldn’t stop them.
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    Q.    Right. So, they — they — I mean basically the only
    reason they were going over there was to get the money back.
    A.     Probably.
    The State does not forcefully contest that Richards told Bacod about the
    plan to confront Sanders. Instead it argues that Richards’s statement was not of her own
    intent, but instead the intent of “an unidentified ‘they.’ ” But the “they” in question is
    not unidentified. Bacod named the four people involved, including Richards. When
    Detective Huelskoetter summarized what Bacod had told him — “the plan was that
    Travis [Moore] and his girlfriend and Ashlee [Richards] and — and some other girl
    named Raven [Ketzler] were gonna go over there and essentially jump them to get their
    money back” — Bacod did not say that Richards was not part of the group making the
    plan. The State’s argument that only Moore, and not Richards, intended to beat up
    Sanders fails for similar reasons: Bacod, in recounting her conversation with Richards,
    said multiple times that “they” — not just Moore — were going to beat up Sanders.
    The State argues that the statements regarding Sanders stealing money are
    inadmissible hearsay because they are being offered to prove that Sanders stole money.
    But Sanders offered the statements about the theft to show Richards’s motive, not
    whether Sanders actually stole money. Richards’s belief that the theft was committed
    by Sanders explained her motive in going to Sanders’s apartment.31
    31
    The State also argues that Richards’s statements regarding Sanders’s theft
    of money may not have been based upon her own personal knowledge and thus would
    be inadmissible under Alaska Rule of Evidence 602, which permits a witness to testify
    only to matters about which she has personal knowledge. But the statements were being
    offered to prove Richards’s belief that Sanders stole the money as her motive to attack
    him. Richards had personal knowledge regarding her own belief, just as she had
    personal knowledge regarding her own plan to beat up Sanders.
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    The State also contends the word “jump” as used by Bacod meant “talk,”
    not assault. The State argues that Bacod “expressly defined jump for her purposes.”
    This is contradicted by the statement itself. Before using the word “jump,” Bacod stated
    that the group was planning to “beat [Sanders] up.” Bacod twice answered in the
    affirmative Detective Huelskoetter’s direct questions verifying that Moore was planning
    to go “beat up” Sanders.
    Bacod stated that Richards directly expressed her intent to beat up Sanders
    and her motive for doing so. This statement of Richards’s intent and motive was
    admissible under Rule 803(3) to show her future action.32 Because we conclude that the
    superior court’s factual finding that Bacod merely extrapolated violence from Richards’s
    statement to her was clearly erroneous, we must reverse the court of appeals’ decision
    upholding the superior court’s Rule 803(3) ruling.
    B.	    Richards’s Statement To Bacod Was Admissible As Evidence of
    Moore’s Future Actions Under Alaska Rule Of Evidence 803(23).
    Although Richards’s statement to Bacod was relevant to explain some of
    Richards’s conduct at Sanders’s home, its greater potential relevance was to explain
    Moore’s conduct, which, according to Sanders, included pistol-whipping Sanders
    without provocation. However, as Chief Judge Mannheimer noted in his concurring
    opinion below, “the Commentary to Evidence Rule 803(3) explains that Rule 803(3)
    32
    Sanders’s stated purpose in requesting admission of Richards’s statement
    of her own motive and intent includes showing “Richards’[s] conduct at Sanders’[s]
    home” — that “she would have behaved like Moore would have behaved after Sanders
    fought him off” and in particular that she chose to flee Sanders’s home to get to the
    “getaway car” (instead of “fighting, hiding, staying in place, or withdrawing”) and “did
    nothing to rescue Sanders from his assailant.” Sanders also states that “evidence of
    Richards’[s] robbery plot would have show[n] that Richards shared Moore’s escape route
    — Porterfield’s SUV” and that “Richards ran because she had made the mistake of
    bringing a knife to attack a man with a gun.”
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    does not allow a litigant to introduce one person’s statement about their current mental
    state (including their current plans) for the purpose of proving another person’s future
    actions.”33 Thus, if Richards’s statement to Bacod was admissible only to demonstrate
    Richards’s future actions, and not Moore’s, its probative value might have been
    outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice,34 making it proper for the trial court to
    exclude it or subject it to a limiting instruction.35 But the circumstances in this case
    demonstrate that Richards’s statement was admissible not only to prove Richards’s intent
    and conduct, but also Moore’s.
    The Commentary to Rule 803(3) explains that “[f]or the statements of one
    person as to his mental or emotional condition to be used against another, [Evidence
    Rule 803](23) must be satisfied.”36 Rule 803(23) is a residual hearsay exception. It
    permits the admission of a statement that would otherwise be excluded as hearsay if it
    has “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” that are “equivalent” to the listed
    exceptions, and “if the court determines that (a) the statement is offered as evidence of
    a material fact; (b) the statement is more probative on the point for which it is offered
    than any other evidence which the proponent can procure through reasonable efforts; and
    (c) the general purposes of these rules and the interest of justice will best be served by
    admission of the statement into evidence.”
    33
    Sanders, 
    2013 WL 6229377
    , at *8 (Mannheimer, C.J., concurring)
    (emphasis in original).
    34
    See Alaska R. Evid. 403.
    35
    Cf. Linton v. State, 
    880 P.2d 123
    , 130-31 & n.6 (Alaska App. 1994)
    (affirming introduction of murder victim’s hearsay statements, with limiting instruction,
    under Rule 803(3) even though the statements concerned the victim’s fear of the
    defendant and the defendant’s alleged threats to the victim).
    36
    Commentary Alaska E. R. 803(3).
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    In this case, the party seeking to introduce a statement under the residual
    exception is a criminal defendant. This fact is important in two interrelated ways. First,
    Sanders, like all criminal defendants, enjoys a constitutional right to due process of law
    before he is convicted of a crime.37 “Although it is not absolute, a defendant’s right to
    present a defense is a fundamental element of due process.”38 Evidentiary rulings can
    so infringe this right to present a defense that they constitute a violation of the guarantee
    of our constitution’s due process clause,39 which requires admission even of evidence
    that the legislature has specifically barred if its exclusion “substantially limits the right
    to present a defense.”40     Here, however, as we explain below, it is an incorrect
    application of the evidence rules that encroaches on this right.
    Sanders presented five defense theories to the jury: justified self-defense,
    heat of passion, defense of premises, defense of a third person, and reasonable mistake
    of fact (regarding Richards’s identity). The credibility of each of these theories was tied
    to the jury’s willingness to believe Sanders’s account of Moore striking him without
    provocation, an account that the State argued “doesn’t make any sense” during closing
    argument. The exclusion of Richards’s statement to Bacod effectively excluded all
    evidence of the alleged conspiracy to rob Sanders and thus excluded critical evidence
    relevant to the credibility of Sanders’s account of the events that preceded the shootings.
    The jury was left with an account in which, as the State put it in closing argument,
    Sanders “tells us for no reason, no reason whatsoever, no reason that he’s willing to
    admit, Mr. Moore whacks him on the head and causes that gash, that gash above his eye,
    37
    See Alaska Const. art. I, § 7.
    38
    Smithart v. State, 
    988 P.2d 583
    , 586 (Alaska 1999) (citation omitted).
    39
    See 
    id. 40 Valentine
    v. State, 
    215 P.3d 319
    , 326 (Alaska 2009).
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    for no reason whatsoever.” The exclusion prevented the jury from hearing the only
    available evidence of the missing “reason” the State rhetorically lamented.41
    The second way that Sanders’s status as a criminal defendant is important
    is the fact that the State likely could have used Richards’s statement against Moore if it
    had sought to prosecute Moore for conspiracy to commit robbery.42 Alaska Rule of
    Evidence 801(d)(2)(E) provides that a statement is not hearsay if it “is offered against
    a party and is . . . a statement by a co-conspirator of a party during the course and in
    furtherance of the conspiracy.” Richards told Bacod about an on-going plan to rob
    Sanders — a plan that Richards shared with Moore and which they had already
    attempted to put into action, only to be resisted by Sanders’s armed brother. Bacod was
    apparently supposed to join her four friends when they went to Sanders’s house on the
    night of the shootings. Moore’s actions, including going to Sanders’s home with the
    other alleged participants in the conspiracy while carrying a pistol and, according to
    Sanders’s account, striking Sanders in the face, corroborate his connection to the
    conspiracy Richards described.43
    Rule 801(d)(2)(E) is not directly applicable to this case because Moore is
    not a party to the State’s prosecution of Sanders and thus Richards is not a party’s co-
    conspirator. But Rule 803(23), which must be satisfied “[f]or the statements of one
    41
    Cf. Keith v. State, 
    612 P.2d 977
    , 982-83 (Alaska 1980) (“If the superior
    court’s refusal to admit the journal did, in fact, substantially limit Keith’s opportunities
    to prove his innocence affirmatively, the due process right to a fair trial would have been
    denied him.”).
    42
    See AS 11.31.120 (conspiracy); 11.41.500 (robbery in the first degree).
    43
    Cf. Stewart v. State, 
    756 P.2d 900
    , 904-05 (Alaska App. 1988) (discussing
    evidence that corroborated a defendant’s connection to a plan described in a
    co-conspirator’s statement).
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    person as to [her] mental or emotional condition to be used against another,”44 allows for
    the admission of statements that have “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” that
    are “equivalent” to the other exceptions to the bar on hearsay. Statements made by a co-
    conspirator in furtherance of a conspiracy were traditionally defined as an exception to
    the hearsay rule, but under the revised Alaska Rules of Evidence they are defined as
    nonhearsay.45 Their characterizaion as nonhearsay is largely predicated on expectations
    of trustworthiness, just like the exceptions listed in Rule 803.46 Richards’s statement
    establishing Moore’s participation in a conspiracy to rob Sanders did not become less
    trustworthy because Sanders, rather than the State, sought to introduce it.
    The “interest of justice” factor identified in Rule 803(23) dovetails in this
    case with the right to present a defense. In light of this factor, Richards’s statement fits
    within the residual hearsay exception even as it pertains to Moore’s future actions. Here
    the only reasonably available evidence explaining Moore’s alleged unprovoked assault
    on Sanders was his co-conspirator’s statement that she, Moore, and others “wanted to go
    beat [Sanders] up to get the money back.” Richards’s statement to Bacod was therefore
    admissible.
    44
    Commentary Alaska E. R. 803(3).
    45
    See Hawley v. State, 
    614 P.2d 1349
    , 1357 n.20 (Alaska 1980); Commentary
    Alaska E. R. 801(d)(2) (“[I]f these rules [—801(d)(2)(C),(D), and (E)—] were written
    on a clean slate without reference to the Federal Rules, admissions would be treated as
    exceptions to the hearsay rule and placed under Rule 803.”).
    46
    See M ODEL CODE OF EVIDENCE , Rule 508 cmt. b (1942) (“[T]he tendency
    in the authorities is to receive evidence of all declarations of a conspirator concerning the
    conspiracy when made during its pendency. These statements are likely to be true, and
    are usually made with a realization that they are against the declarant’s interest.”).
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    C.	    Bacod’s Statement To Detective Huelskoetter Was Admissible As
    Evidence Of Richards’s Statement Under Alaska Rule Of Evidence
    804(b)(5).
    1.	    The superior court and court of appeals excluded Bacod’s
    statement to Detective Huelskoetter based on an overly
    demanding test for determining sufficient trustworthiness under
    the unavailable declarant residual hearsay exception.
    Alaska Rule of Evidence 804(b)(5) is, like Rule 803(23), a residual hearsay
    exception. It permits the admission of a statement by an unavailable declarant that would
    otherwise be excluded as hearsay if it has “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness”
    that are “equivalent” to the listed exceptions, and “if the court determines that (A) the
    statement is offered as evidence of a material fact; (B) the statement is more probative
    on the point for which it is offered than any other evidence which the proponent can
    procure through reasonable efforts; and (C) the general purposes of these rules and the
    interests of justice will best be served by admission of the statement into evidence.”47
    The superior court stated that Bacod’s statement did not fall within
    Rule 804(b)(5)’s residual exception because it was not “so trustworthy that adversarial
    testing would add little to its reliability.” The court of appeals agreed, and quoted the
    same language in support of its conclusion that the superior court did not abuse its
    discretion in excluding Bacod’s statement.48 The quoted standard is from the court of
    47
    Alaska R. Evid. 804(b)(5).
    48
    See Sanders v. State, Mem. Op. & J. No. 5991, 
    2013 WL 6229377
    , at *5
    (Alaska App. Nov. 27, 2013).
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    appeals’s decision in Ryan v. State,49 which in turn was quoting the United States
    Supreme Court’s decision in Idaho v. Wright.50
    Both Wright and Ryan are Confrontation Clause cases.51 They were
    decided based on the precedent established in Ohio v. Roberts, under which even
    testimonial hearsay could be admissible against a criminal defendant as long as it fell
    “within a firmly rooted hearsay exception” or bore “particularized guarantees of
    trustworthiness.”52 Both cases considered “residual” hearsay evidence offered by the
    government against a criminal defendant protected by the Confrontation Clause, and both
    erected a demanding standard for admission: The courts would only allow a criminal
    defendant to be tried based on the word of a declarant he could not confront if the
    statement was “so trustworthy that adversarial testing would add little to its reliability.”53
    49
    
    899 P.2d 1371
    , 1375 (Alaska App. 1995).
    50
    
    497 U.S. 805
    , 821 (1990).
    51
    See 
    id. at 808
    (“This case requires us to decide whether the admission at
    trial of certain hearsay statements made by a child declarant to an examining pediatrician
    violates a defendant’s rights under the Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment.”);
    
    Ryan, 899 P.2d at 1375
    (“Because the hearsay issue in this case arises in the context of
    a criminal prosecution, the hearsay must satisfy not only the requirements of Evidence
    Rule 804(b) but also the requirements of the Confrontation Clauses of the Federal and
    Alaska Constitutions (the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution and
    Article I, Section 11 of the Alaska Constitution).”).
    52
    
    448 U.S. 56
    , 66 (1980).
    53
    
    Wright, 497 U.S. at 821
    ; see also 
    Ryan, 899 P.2d at 1375
    . The United
    States Supreme Court disapproved the Ohio v. Roberts approach in Crawford v.
    Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    (2004), and Davis v. Washington, 
    547 U.S. 813
    (2006), which
    established that “hearsay evidence may violate a defendant’s right of confrontation even
    though that evidence might be admissible under the hearsay rules.” Clark v. State, 
    199 P.3d 1203
    , 1210 (Alaska App. 2009). By decoupling the Confrontation Clause and the
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    In contrast, in this case it was Sanders, rather than the State, who sought to
    admit Bacod’s statement. The State is, of course, not protected by the Confrontation
    Clauses in the Alaska and United States Constitutions. And the State has not identified
    any case in which the test the superior court used has been applied to evidence
    introduced by a criminal defendant. The superior court thus erred by applying the
    heightened reliability standard that limited the residual hearsay exception in
    Rule 804(b)(5) to evidence “so trustworthy that adversarial testing would add little to its
    reliability” to Bacod’s statement. Instead, the superior court should have applied the test
    set out in Evidence Rule 804(b)(5) itself: A statement by an unavailable declarant is
    admissible if (1) “the statement is offered as evidence of a material fact,” (2) “the
    statement is more probative on the point for which it is offered than any other evidence
    which the proponent can procure through reasonable efforts,” (3) “the general purposes
    of these rules and the interests of justice will best be served by admission of the
    statement into evidence,” and (4) the statement has “circumstantial guarantees of
    trustworthiness” that are “equivalent” to the guarantees of trustworthiness that justify the
    enumerated hearsay exceptions when a declarant is unavailable.
    Importantly, the enumerated exceptions to which Rule 804(b)(5) refers are
    those that apply only when the declarant is unavailable. “The traditional exceptions to
    the hearsay rule form two general classes: (1) those statements which are so inherently
    reliable that cross-examination is thought unnecessary (Rule 803); and (2) those
    statements which are sufficiently reliable to be admitted in light of their great evidentiary
    53
    (...continued)
    rules of evidence, Crawford and Davis removed the need to erect a demanding residual
    hearsay standard to serve the purposes of the Confrontation Clause. Cf. Whorton v.
    Bockting, 
    549 U.S. 406
    , 413-14 (2007) (“Roberts potentially excluded too much
    testimony because it imposed Confrontation Clause restrictions on nontestimonial
    hearsay not governed by that Clause.”).
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    value when the declarant is unavailable (Rule 804).”54 The exceptions to which
    804(b)(5) refers all have circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness, such as the
    unavailable declarant’s belief of her impending death 55 or admission to civil or criminal
    liability,56 but they are not necessarily “so trustworthy that adversarial testing would add
    little to [their] reliability.” In fact, the limitation of these exceptions to circumstances in
    which the declarant is unavailable suggests that cross-examination would add to their
    reliability, and would be required if it were possible.57 Thus, the superior court’s
    application of the demanding “adversarial testing would add little” standard to Sanders’s
    efforts to admit Bacod’s statement under Rule 804(b)(5) was a legal error.
    2.	    It was legal error for the superior court to refuse to consider
    evidence that corroborated Bacod’s statement to Detective
    Huelskoetter.
    The superior court ruled that “[t]he trustworthiness of [Bacod’s] statement
    [to Detective Huelskoetter] may not be established by corroborating evidence.” The
    54
    In re A.S.W., 
    834 P.2d 801
    , 804 (Alaska 1992) (emphasis added).
    55
    See Alaska R. Evid. 804(b)(2).
    56
    See Alaska R. Evid. 804(b)(3).
    57
    See Commentary Alaska E. R. 804(b) (“Rule 803 . . . is based upon the
    assumption that a hearsay statement falling within one of its exceptions possesses
    qualities which justify the conclusion that whether the declarant is available or
    unavailable is not a relevant factor in determining admissibility. [Rule 804(b)] proceeds
    upon a different theory: hearsay which admittedly is not equal in quality to testimony
    of the declarant on the stand may nevertheless be admitted if the declarant is unavailable
    and if his statement meets a specified standard. The rule expresses preferences:
    testimony given on the stand in person is preferred over hearsay, and hearsay, if of the
    specified quality, is preferred over complete loss of the evidence of the declarant.”).
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    court of appeals did not specifically consider this claim of error.58 The superior court’s
    ruling on this point is legal error and is inconsistent with our cases interpreting Evidence
    Rule 804(b)(5).
    The superior court cited Ryan v. State in support of its no-corroborating­
    evidence rule. As discussed above, Ryan was a Confrontation Clause case. Like the
    heightened reliability requirement for unavailable declarant hearsay testimony, the
    requirement that “[t]he required ‘guarantees of trustworthiness’ may not be established
    by showing that the hearsay statement is corroborated by other evidence” was based on
    the court of appeals’ interpretation of Idaho v. Wright.59 The court of appeals in Ryan
    limited this holding to cases implicating the Confrontation Clause.60 The application of
    the prohibition on corroborating evidence to a criminal defendant’s attempt to introduce
    hearsay evidence is error,61 particularly in light of a criminal defendant’s constitutional
    58
    See generally Sanders v. State, Mem. Op. & J. No. 5991, 
    2013 WL 6229377
    (Alaska App. Nov. 27, 2013).
    59
    See Ryan v. State, 
    899 P.2d 1371
    , 1375 (Alaska App. 1995) (citing Idaho
    v. Wright, 
    497 U.S. 805
    , 822-24 (1990)).
    60
    See 
    id. (“In Idaho
    v. Wright, the United States Supreme Court held that, at
    least for Confrontation Clause purposes, a hearsay statement’s ‘guarantees of
    trustworthiness’ must be ‘inherent’ in the statement.” (quoting 
    Wright, 497 U.S. at 822
    )).
    61
    See Brumley v. Albert E. Brumley & Sons, Inc., 
    727 F.3d 574
    , 578 (6th Cir.
    2013) (“[Wright’s] requirement that the truthfulness of a statement be so clear [from only
    the circumstances surrounding the statement] that the test of cross-examination be of
    marginal utility is specific to the Confrontation Clause; thus, the requirement is
    inapplicable in this [civil] case.”); United States v. NB, 
    59 F.3d 771
    , 776 n.5 (8th Cir.
    1995) (“Wright has no effect on hearsay analysis when there is no Confrontation Clause
    issue.”); 5 CHRISTOPHER B. M UELLER & LAIRD C. K IRKPATRICK , FEDERAL EVIDENCE
    § 8:141, at 286-88 (4th ed. 2013) (“Obviously Wright does not affect use of the catchall
    [hearsay exception] in civil cases, nor limit defense use of the catchall in criminal cases,
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    right to present a defense.
    In cases that do not feature the specific protections of the Confrontation
    Clause, extrinsic corroborating evidence often supports the admission of evidence
    offered under the residual hearsay exceptions in Evidence Rules 804(b)(5) and 803(23).62
    Permitting trial courts to consider extrinsic corroboration appears to be the majority rule
    in   jurisdictions   which     have    specifically   addressed     the    issue. 63   This
    61
    (...continued)
    and in these settings independent corroboration continues to count in assessing
    trustworthiness.”).
    62
    See, e.g., Kristen L. v. Benjamin W., Mem. Op. & J. No. 1502, 
    2014 WL 2716842
    , at *3 (Alaska June 11, 2014) (corroborating notes supported admission
    of counselor’s testimony about children’s statements under the catchall hearsay
    exception); In re T.P., 
    838 P.2d 1236
    , 1241-42 (Alaska 1992) (approving of trial court’s
    admission of minor’s hearsay statement under Evidence Rule 804(b)(5) partially because
    a reference in the statement to the location of an alleged sexual touching was
    corroborated); cf. Matanuska Elec. Ass’n v. Weissler, 
    723 P.2d 600
    , 610 n.17 (Alaska
    1986) (approving of trial court’s ruling that the fact that a hearsay “statement also
    corroborates other testimony” makes it more appropriate to admit under Evidence
    Rules 804(b)(5) and 803(23)).
    63
    See United States v. Turner, 
    718 F.3d 226
    , 233-34 (3d Cir. 2013) (“[When
    determining] whether a document is sufficiently trustworthy to be admitted under [the
    residual hearsay exception] . . . , the district court may not rely exclusively on
    corroborating evidence.” (emphasis added) (citation omitted)); United States v.
    Redlightning, 
    624 F.3d 1090
    , 1118 (9th Cir. 2010) (concluding that a hearsay statement
    lacked “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” under residual hearsay exception
    in part because it was uncorroborated and in part because extrinsic evidence contradicted
    it); United States v. Hunt, 
    521 F.3d 636
    , 643-44 (6th Cir. 2008) (finding hearsay
    statements lacked “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” because they were
    uncorroborated); United States v. Abreu, 
    342 F.3d 183
    , 191 (2d Cir. 2003) (finding
    hearsay statements lacked “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” in part because
    they were “uncorroborated”); United States v. Hall, 
    165 F.3d 1095
    , 1110-11 (7th Cir.
    1999) (stating relevant factor when determining “circumstantial guarantees of
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    63
    (...continued)
    trustworthiness” is “whether the declarant’s statement was insufficiently corroborated”);
    United States v. Panzardi-Lespier, 
    918 F.2d 313
    , 316-17 (1st Cir. 1990) (listing
    corroboration as one factor in determining “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness”
    and using extrinsic corroboration, after Wright); State v. Allen, 
    755 P.2d 1153
    , 1164
    (Ariz. 1988) (“We do not require corroboration under the residual hearsay exceptions,
    but its existence is nevertheless helpful.”); Martin v. State, 
    57 S.W.3d 136
    , 142
    (Ark. 2001) (concluding in the context of determining “circumstantial guarantees of
    trustworthiness,” that details from the accomplice’s post-crime hearsay statements,
    including “the detailed directions to the abandoned house, the fact that [the victim’s] face
    and mouth had been duct-taped, and the fact that her arms and legs were hogtied[, ]were
    highly indicative of the truthfulness of [the] statements . . . .”); Cabrera v. State, 
    840 A.2d 1256
    , 1268 (Del. 2004) (“[The] statements fail to satisfy the . . . circumstantial
    guarantees of trustworthiness [requirement under the residual hearsay exception] for the
    same reasons that they were not admissible under [the statement against penal interest
    exception] — they were not supported by sufficient corroborating evidence.”); State v.
    Weaver, 
    554 N.W.2d 240
    , 248 (Iowa 1996), overruled on other grounds by State v.
    Hallum, 
    585 N.W.2d 249
    (Iowa 1998) (“Factors to consider in making a trustworthiness
    determination under [the residual hearsay exception] include: . . . corroboration . . . .”);
    People v. Katt, 
    662 N.W.2d 12
    , 24 n.12 (Mich. 2003) (“[C]orroborative evidence may
    be used to determine the trustworthiness of statements [offered under the residual
    hearsay exceptions] . . . [if] the Confrontation Clause is not implicated.” (emphasis
    omitted) (citations omitted)); State v. Griffin, 
    834 N.W.2d 688
    , 693 (Minn. 2013) (listing
    corroborating evidence as a relevant factor for determining “circumstantial guarantees
    of trustworthiness” under a residual hearsay exception); State v. Cottier, 
    755 N.W.2d 120
    , 131 (S.D. 2008) (“[F]actors for a trial court to consider in assessing trustworthiness
    of hearsay offered under the residual hearsay rule . . . include: . . . the existence of
    corroborating evidence . . . .”); State v. Lopez, 
    843 N.W.2d 390
    , 437 (Wis. 2014) (stating
    that factors to consider in determining “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness”
    under a residual hearsay exception include “the existence of other corroborating
    evidence”); Lafond v. State, 
    89 P.3d 324
    , 339 (Wyo. 2004) (“[C]ircumstantial guarantees
    of trustworthiness . . . may be established . . . through other corroborating evidence . . . .”
    (quoting Johnson v. State, 
    930 P.2d 358
    , 366 (Wyo. 1996))); 2 G EORGE E. D IX ET AL.,
    M C CORMICK ON EVIDENCE § 324, at 565-66 (Kenneth S. Broun ed., 7th ed. 2013)
    (“[E]ven before Crawford v. Washington eliminated the precedential value of Wright,
    some lower courts used corroboration as a factor establishing trustworthiness of hearsay
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    interpretation makes sense, as a court testing a statement’s admissibility under the
    residual hearsay exceptions is concerned with the trustworthiness of the specific
    statement at issue, rather than the category of statements to which the statement belongs.
    There is no logical reason that extrinsic corroborating evidence cannot contribute to
    creating “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness.”64 Indeed, one of the unavailable
    63
    (...continued)
    admitted under a catchall exception when the confrontation issue was otherwise
    eliminated.”); 5 FEDERAL EVIDENCE , supra note 61, § 8:141, at 286-88; H EARSAY
    H ANDBOOK §§ 47:1-2 (4th ed. 2014); 5 JACK B. W EINSTEIN & M ARGARET A. BERGER ,
    W EINSTEIN ’S FEDERAL EVIDENCE § 807.03[2][b], at 807-15 to -18 (Joseph M.
    McLaughlin ed., 2d ed. 2014).
    But see United States v. El-Mezain, 
    664 F.3d 467
    , 498 (5th Cir. 2011) (“The
    determination of trustworthiness is ‘drawn from the totality of the circumstances
    surrounding the making of the statement, but it cannot stem from other corroborating
    evidence.’ [United States v.] Ismoila, 100 F.3d [380,] 393 [(5th Cir. 1996)] (citing Idaho
    v. Wright, 
    497 U.S. 805
    , 820-22 (1990)).”); Vasquez v. People, 
    173 P.3d 1099
    , 1106-07
    (Colo. 2007) (relying upon Wright to conclude that extrinsic corroboration is not
    appropriate consideration when determining “circumstantial guarantees of
    trustworthiness” under residual hearsay exception); State v. Aaron L., 
    865 A.2d 1135
    ,
    1144 n.20 (Conn. 2005) (“Only factors related to the circumstances surrounding the
    making of the challenged statement may be considered to support the reliability of the
    hearsay statement at issue.” (emphasis in original)); Larchick v. Diocese of Great
    Falls-Billings, 
    208 P.3d 836
    , 845 (Mont. 2009) (“[The residual hearsay exception] looks
    to the circumstances surrounding a hearsay statement when it is made — the
    circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness that lend reliability to the hearsay statement
    in lieu of cross-examination.” (internal quotation mark omitted)); State v. Johnson, 
    557 S.E.2d 811
    , 817 (W. Va. 2001) (“Reliability must be shown from the circumstances
    surrounding the making of the statement.”).
    64
    The State argues that the word “circumstantial” in “equivalent
    circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” means only the immediate circumstances
    of the statement, not any extrinsic corroborating circumstances. But the word
    “circumstantial” could just as easily include any circumstances indicating
    trustworthiness, including extrinsic corroboration. The wording of Rule 804(b)(5) does
    (continued...)
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    declarant hearsay exceptions to which evidence offered under the residual hearsay
    exception is compared contemplates the use of extrinsic evidence to support the hearsay
    statement,65 and another, in some circumstances, requires it.66 We therefore agree with
    the majority of jurisdictions that extrinsic corroborating evidence may properly be
    considered in determining whether a statement proffered under Rule 804(b)(5)’s residual
    hearsay exception exhibits “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” equivalent to
    the other unavailable declarant hearsay exceptions.
    64
    (...continued)
    not exclude the consideration of extrinsic evidence, and we will not read such a
    prohibition into the rule. See State v. Robinson, 
    718 N.W.2d 400
    , 409 n.4 (Minn. 2006)
    (“Nor does the residual exception itself prevent us from considering corroborating
    evidence. The rule contains no specific limitation . . . .”).
    The State additionally argues that the presence of extrinsic corroboration
    precludes the statement from being “more probative on the point for which it is offered
    than any other evidence which the proponent can procure through reasonable efforts.”
    Though it is possible that extrinsic corroborating evidence could be more probative than
    the hearsay statement it supports, this will not always be the case.
    65
    See Alaska R. Evid. 804(b)(4)(B) (exception for statement of personal or
    family history about a person other than the unavailable declarant “if the declarant was
    related to the other by blood, adoption, or marriage or was so intimately associated with
    the other’s family as to be likely to have accurate information concerning the matter
    declared”).
    66
    See Alaska R. Evid. 804(b)(3) (Although statements against interest are
    generally admissible, “[a] statement tending to expose the declarant to criminal liability
    and offered to exculpate the accused is not admissible unless corroborating
    circumstances clearly indicate the trustworthiness of the statement.”). The State argues
    that Rule 804(b)(3)’s explicit inclusion of corroborating evidence means that the drafters
    of the rules intended to disallow the use of corroborating evidence for the other hearsay
    exceptions, including Rule 804(b)(5). But the requirement of corroboration in one area
    does not necessarily entail its prohibition in another. The drafters of Rule 804(b)(5)
    could have stated that no extrinsic corroboration could be used to find “equivalent
    circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness,” but they did not.
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    3.	    In light of the correct test of admissibility and the proffered
    corroborating evidence, Bacod’s statement to Detective
    Huelskoetter should have been admitted.
    As discussed above, a statement by an unavailable declarant is admissible
    if (1) “the statement is offered as evidence of a material fact,” (2) “the statement is more
    probative on the point for which it is offered than any other evidence which the
    proponent can procure through reasonable efforts,” (3) “the general purposes of these
    rules and the interests of justice will best be served by admission of the statement into
    evidence,” and (4) the statement has “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” that
    are “equivalent” to the guarantees of trustworthiness that justify the enumerated hearsay
    exceptions when a declarant is unavailable.67         The State contests two of these
    requirements: the circumstantial guarantees of Bacod’s statement’s trustworthiness and
    whether the statement is more probative on the point for which it was offered than other
    evidence Sanders could have reasonably procured.
    a.	    Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter had the
    required circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness.
    Whether a particular hearsay statement offered under the residual hearsay
    exception at Rule 804(b)(5) has sufficient circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness
    is necessarily a case-by-case question. Many courts focus upon idiosyncratic aspects of
    the particular proffered statement which suggest trustworthiness.68            Particularly
    significant relevant factors relied on by multiple jurisdictions include:
    whether the declarant had a motivation to speak truthfully or
    otherwise; the spontaneity of the statement, including
    whether it was elicited by leading questions, and generally
    67
    Alaska R. Evid. 804(b)(5). The Rule also requires adequate notice to the
    opposing party, a requirement not at issue in this case.
    68
    See M C CORMICK ON EVIDENCE , supra note 63, § 324, at 561-66.
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    the time lapse between event and statement; whether the
    statement was under oath; whether the declarant was subject
    to cross-examination at the time the statement was made; the
    relationship between the declarant and the person to whom
    the statement was made; whether the declarant has recanted
    or reaffirmed the statement; whether the statement was
    recorded and particularly whether it was videotaped; and
    whether the declarant’s firsthand knowledge is clearly
    demonstrated.[69]
    And, as discussed above, in cases that do not implicate the Confrontation Clause it is
    appropriate to consider extrinsic corroborating evidence.
    The State correctly notes that the residual hearsay exceptions apply “only
    on rare occasions,”70 and are not invitations to discard the general prohibition on the
    admission of hearsay. But in this case at least five factors — Bacod’s motivation to
    speak truthfully, the spontaneity of her statement, the professional relationship between
    her and Detective Huelskoetter, the fact that her statement was recorded, and the clear
    demonstration of her firsthand knowledge of Richards’s plan — argue in favor of the
    statement’s trustworthiness, as does the extrinsic corroborating evidence. The particular
    guarantees of trustworthiness attached to Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter
    convince us that, given the importance of the statement to Sanders’s defense, the
    statement should have been admitted.71
    69
    
    Id. 70 In
    re A.S.W., 
    834 P.2d 801
    , 804 (Alaska 1992).
    71
    See 
    id. (explaining that
    the unavailable declarant hearsay exceptions in
    Rule 804 relate to “statements which are sufficiently reliable to be admitted in light of
    their great evidentiary value”); see also Smithart v. State, 9 
    88 P.2d 583
    , 586 (Alaska
    1999) (recognizing that exclusion of evidence proffered by a criminal defendant can
    violate the defendant’s due process rights).
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    i.     Motivation to speak truthfully
    Bacod’s statement provides no reason to believe she was speaking
    insincerely in an effort to help Sanders. She told Detective Huelskoetter that she had
    known Richards, whom she described as her “best friend,” since the third grade, and that
    she had known Moore for months. She connected her social life to theirs, telling
    Detective Huelskoetter that she was supposed to have been with Richards, Moore,
    Ketzler, and Porterfield on the night of the shooting. In contrast, she explained that she
    had never met Sanders. Despite this asymmetry of bonds, she relayed information that,
    whether she knew it or not, would have been helpful to Sanders’s defense and implicated
    her friends in a conspiracy to commit robbery. The fact that Sanders did not learn of the
    call until the State disclosed its existence fifteen months after Bacod placed it further
    diminishes the chances that Bacod was somehow lying for Sanders’s benefit.
    ii.    Spontaneity
    It is also relevant that Bacod initiated the call to Detective Huelskoetter.
    The fact that she sought Detective Huelskoetter out rather than vice versa diminishes the
    chances that she was telling him what she thought he wanted to hear. Bacod answered
    Detective Huelskoetter’s open-ended questions and stated that she told him everything
    she knew about the events. She invited him to call her back if he had any further
    questions, in the process giving him her full name, home address, and phone number.
    And she apparently did all of this in the presence of her mother.
    The dissent complains that “the most relevant portion” of Bacod’s statement
    “was obtained through the detective’s leading questions.”72 But only after Bacod
    72
    Dissent at 44.
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    reported what she had learned about the plan from her conversation with Richards73 did
    Detective Huelskoetter ask the two follow-up questions cited by the dissent. Both
    questions were posed immediately after Bacod stated, “I can’t think right now,” and they
    are therefore best interpreted not as leading questions but as attempts to elicit
    clarification of Bacod’s previous statements.
    iii.    Under oath
    Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter was not under oath. But
    because Bacod was speaking with a peace officer about a crime, knowingly providing
    false information in this call could have possibly subjected Bacod to criminal liability.74
    This possibility, much like an oath, provided a strong incentive to be truthful.
    iv.     Cross-examination
    Bacod was not subject to cross-examination when she made the statement.
    Although Detective Huelskoetter asked some clarifying questions, this was no substitute
    for cross-examination.      This factor does not weigh in favor of her statement’s
    admissibility.
    73
    “[Sanders] stole money from one of our friends, and they wanted to go beat
    him up to get the money back . . . .” Bacod then stated, “Ashlee [Richards], . . . Raven
    [Ketzler], . . . Travis [Moore], and Travis’s fiancée Sherrell [Porterfield]. . . woke up with
    money gone, and they were guessing it was [Sanders] . . . .”
    74
    See AS 11.56.800(a)(1)(A) (“A person commits the crime of false
    information or report if the person knowingly gives false information to a peace officer
    with the intent of implicating another in an offense.”). The State argues that Bacod could
    not have faced charges for false information or report because “it was Richards who
    supposedly suggested that others intended to commit a crime,” while “Bacod was merely
    a conduit for that information.” But this section applies as readily to “conduits” as to
    primary souces, so long as the requisite knowledge and intent are present.
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    v.     Relationship
    The fact that Detective Huelskoetter was the police officer charged with
    investigating the recent shooting deaths of two of her friends strongly favors Bacod’s
    statement’s admissibility. Bacod provided the detective background information about
    what she believed “triggered it to happen.” These serious circumstances invited careful
    and somber reflection and explanations. Indeed, as discussed above, knowingly lying
    to Detective Huelskoetter could have subjected Bacod to criminal liability.
    vi.    Recantation and reaffirmation
    The record does not contain any evidence that Bacod ever recanted or
    reaffirmed her statement to Detective Huelskoetter. The dissent charges that Bacod
    “changed her account in real time in response to what she learned” in the interview with
    Detective Huelskoetter.75 But Bacod initially indicated, without any prompting from the
    detective, that Moore, Richards, Ketzler, and Porterfield wanted to“beat . . . up” Sanders.
    And while Bacod later added that the four of them were going to “try to talk . . . it out,”
    the dissent omits Bacod’s very next statement to the detective: “But . . . obviously. . .
    they’re young, so . . . there’s gonna be violence in it.” And for most of the time between
    Bacod’s statement and her death Sanders was not aware that she had called and spoken
    with Detective Huelskoetter.
    vii.   Recording
    Detective Huelskoetter recorded Bacod’s statement when she called him.
    If the only record of the statement was Detective Huelskoetter’s recollection and
    testimony there would be risks that he misunderstood or misremembered the
    conversation. The fact that the jury could have heard the statement eliminates those
    75
    Dissent at 43.
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    risks, although it does not eliminate the risks of Bacod’s faulty perception or memory of
    her conversation with Richards.
    viii.   Clear demonstration of firsthand knowledge
    Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter demonstrated her firsthand
    knowledge of the plan and conflict Richards described. Bacod listed the number of her
    friends that went to Sanders’s house and provided their names. She identified the
    relationships among them. Her close ties with Richards, whom Bacod described as her
    “best friend,” and whom Bacod was supposed to join on the night of the shooting,
    provides further reassurance that Bacod had firsthand knowledge of the conversation
    with Richards.
    ix.     Corroboration
    Extrinsic corroborating evidence provides further circumstantial guarantees
    of trustworthiness in this case. Bacod correctly identified the group of four people that
    went to Sanders’s home together on the night of the shootings without assistance from
    Detective Huelskoetter. Bacod stated that “they wanted to go beat [Sanders] up to get
    the money back,” and that because the four were young “there’s gonna be violence in it.”
    On the night of the shooting, little more than a week after Bacod reported she spoke with
    Richards, those four people traveled to Sanders’s house with a pistol, a push knife, and
    a machete. According to Sanders, one of them struck him with the pistol without
    warning, an action consistent with the plan to “jump” Sanders that Bacod described.
    Taken together, the “idiosyncratic factors”76 surrounding Bacod’s statement
    to Detective Huelskoetter convince us that it had the circumstantial guarantees of
    trustworthiness that Evidence Rule 804(b)(5) requires. Bacod’s statement was essential
    to the defense theories Sanders had a constitutional right to present, and it, like the rest
    76
    M C CORMICK ON EVIDENCE , supra note 63, § 324, at 561.
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    of the Rule 804 exceptions for unavailable declarants, was “sufficiently reliable to be
    admitted in light of [its] great evidentiary value.”77
    b.	    Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter was more
    probative on the point for which it was offered than other
    evidence Sanders could have reasonably procured.
    The State also argues that Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter was
    inadmissible because Porterfield and Ketzler were available to testify, “and both would
    have presumably known about the purported plan.” It follows, the State argues, that the
    statement Sanders sought to introduce was not “more probative on the point for which
    it is offered than any other evidence which the proponent can procure through reasonable
    efforts,” as Rule 804(b)(5) requires.78
    Although it is difficult to precisely define the scope of “the point for which
    [evidence] is offered,” it is clear that Bacod was in a unique position in this case. She
    had allegedly learned about an ongoing conspiracy from a close friend, but she did not
    join in the enterprise. This gave her crucial insight into the aims of the acting parties
    without exposing her to the threat of criminal liability that would normally silence a
    participant in a criminal scheme. The record contains no hint of another witness
    prepared to testify that Richards and Moore planned to “jump” Sanders or of any other
    person who was aware of the plan but not participating in it. The State acknowledges
    in its brief that Porterfield, one of the witnesses it faults Sanders for not interviewing,
    denied knowledge of any plan to rob and beat up Sanders. And the fourth alleged
    confederate, Ketzler, similarly denied any role in, or knowledge of, a plan to rob Sanders
    77
    In re A.S.W., 
    834 P.2d 801
    , 804 (Alaska 1992).
    78
    The State also alludes to the availability of Sanders’s brother, Joseph, to
    testify that Moore attacked Sanders first, but Bacod’s statement was probative of more
    than just Moore’s physical actions in Sanders’s bedroom and came from a source much
    less likely to fabricate testimony on Sanders’s behalf.
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    when questioned by police. Moreover, Bacod learned about the plan from Richards, one
    of the victims and one of the three people whose states of mind, intentions, and actions
    were central to the case.
    Under these circumstances, and again informed by Sanders’s constitutional
    right to present a defense, we do not believe that Sanders could have reasonably procured
    any evidence more probative on the points for which Sanders offered Bacod’s statement
    to Detective Huelskoetter. We therefore reject the State’s argument that Bacod’s
    statement was inadmissible for this reason and, in conjunction with our determination
    above that the statement had the required circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness,
    and the State’s well-reasoned concession that admission of the statement would serve the
    interests of justice, hold that it should have been admitted under Evidence
    Rule 804(b)(5).79
    D.     The Exclusion Of The Two Statements Was Not Harmless.
    Although the superior court’s exclusion of Richards’s statement to Bacod
    and Bacod’s statement to Detective Huelskoetter was erroneous, it is not a basis for
    reversing Sanders’s conviction if the error was harmless.80 The trial record in this case
    79
    In its respondent’s brief, the State clarified that “[t]he state does not dispute
    the potential materiality of the report by Bacod — it refers to the purported statements
    by Richards, which if admissible, would be relevant. Nor does the state dispute that
    admission of Bacod’s report would be consistent with the evidence rules and the interests
    of justice. The state, however, disputes that Bacod’s report is more probative than other
    reasonably available evidence.”
    80
    See Alaska R. Crim. P. 47(a) (“Any error, defect, irregularity or variance
    which does not affect substantial rights shall be disregarded.”).
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    indicates that the exclusion was not harmless because we cannot “fairly say that the error
    did not appreciably affect the jury’s verdict.”81
    The State argues that the evidence that Richards and Moore had conspired
    to attack and rob Sanders would not have appreciably affected the jury’s verdict because
    the focus of the State’s case was on the excessiveness of Sanders’s response, not whether
    Sanders or Moore was the initial aggressor. The State focuses particularly on the
    prosecutor’s rebuttal argument, during which he appeared to implicitly concede that
    Moore struck Sanders first. But the strength of the prosecutor’s concession was
    significantly undercut by its context. Just before those statements, the prosecutor noted
    that he was arguing based on “words from [Sanders’s] mouth,” but he did not tell the
    jury to accept them as true. Indeed, much of the prosecutor’s first closing argument
    provided the jury with reason not to credit Sanders’s account, including Sanders’s
    explanation of what had provoked the shootings. The prosecutor was hardly conceding
    that Sanders was credible when he told the jury that Sanders “tells us for no reason, no
    reason whatsoever, no reason that he’s willing to admit, Mr. Moore whacks him on the
    head and causes that gash, that gash above his eye, for no reason whatsoever.” The
    prosecutor rhetorically asked the jury, “[W]ould it make any sense for Mr. Moore to
    whack somebody in the head with an unloaded gun when the other guy’s got two loaded
    81
    Love v. State, 
    457 P.2d 622
    , 634 (Alaska 1969). Sanders argues that, given
    the constitutional nature of his claim of error, the State is required to demonstrate that the
    error was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. See, e.g., Adams v. State, 
    261 P.3d 758
    ,
    773 (Alaska 2011) (“A constitutional violation will always affect substantial rights and
    will be prejudicial unless the State proves that it was harmless beyond a reasonable
    doubt. An error that is not constitutional in nature will be prejudicial if the defendant
    proves that there is a reasonable probability that it affected the outcome of the
    proceeding.”). Because we find that the error was not harmless under the less-
    demanding standard for non-constitutional errors, we need not determine whether the
    error was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt.
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    guns right there on the bed? That makes no sense.” The prosecutor also told the jury
    that “[w]e know intuitively” that Sanders told the other witnesses to the events that “[t]he
    story will be he hit me first.” And the prosecutor told the jury that Sanders had “a motive
    to lie to the detectives to make himself look good and to leave out the parts of the story
    that make it look like . . . the shooting of Mr. Moore had a lot more to do with preexisting
    animosity than we discovered in this case.”
    In light of the extensive argument against Sanders’s account that the State
    presented during closing argument, we cannot fairly conclude that the exclusion did not
    have an appreciable effect on the jury’s verdict.
    V.     CONCLUSION
    Because the excluded evidence should have been admitted and because its
    exclusion was not harmless, we REVERSE Sanders’s convictions and REMAND for a
    new trial.
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    BOLGER, Justice, with whom STOWERS, Justice, joins, dissenting in part.
    I.     INTRODUCTION
    I agree with the general legal framework the court uses to decide this case.
    I am troubled, however, by the court’s conclusion that Carmela Bacod’s statement to
    Detective Huelskoetter was so trustworthy that the superior court was required as a
    matter of law to admit it under Alaska Evidence Rule 804(b)(5).1 Even considering
    corroborating evidence, I would hold that Bacod’s statement does not evince the
    “circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness” required for admission under
    Rule 804(b)(5), and I would affirm the superior court’s evidentiary ruling. In the
    alternative, I would remand to allow the superior court to exercise its discretion in
    making this determination under this court’s newly announced standard.2
    II.    DISCUSSION
    The court adopts nine “[p]articularly significant relevant factors”3 for
    determining whether a proffered hearsay statement, despite failing to meet any of the
    enumerated hearsay exceptions, is nevertheless sufficiently trustworthy to be admitted
    into evidence.4 The court concludes that “at least five” of these factors favor the
    1
    Op. at 28, 39.
    2
    See Patterson v. GEICO Gen. Ins. Co., 
    347 P.3d 562
    , 568 (Alaska 2015)
    (“We . . . review the superior court’s application of the evidence rules . . . for abuse of
    discretion.”).
    3
    See Op. at 32.
    4
    The court adopts eight of these factors from 2 G EORGE E. D IX ET AL.,
    M C CORMICK ON EVIDENCE § 324, at 565-66 (Kenneth S. Broun ed., 7th ed. 2013) and
    analyzes evidence of corroboration as a final, standalone factor. See Op. at 32-38.
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    statement’s admission.5 But for the reasons discussed below, I am not persuaded by the
    court’s analysis, and I would conclude that, on the record before us, only one of these
    nine factors — the recording of the statement — unambiguously favors admission, while
    the remaining eight either cut against the statement’s trustworthiness or provide little
    insight into the trustworthiness of the statement.
    A.     Motivation To Speak Truthfully
    The court concludes that “Bacod’s statement provides no reason to believe
    she was speaking insincerely in an effort to help [Ryan] Sanders.”6 But while I agree
    that Bacod had no reason to lie for Sanders, Bacod’s broader motivations for speaking
    with Detective Huelskoetter remain unknown. If anything, Bacod’s statement suggests
    that Bacod contacted Detective Huelskoetter partly to determine what the police
    knew about the shooting,7 and it is undisputable that she changed her account in real time
    in response to what she learned.8 This casts some doubt on the idea that Bacod called
    Detective Huelskoetter for the civic-minded purpose of providing a truthful statement to
    help the police with their investigation. I would therefore conclude that this factor
    weighs neither for nor against finding Bacod’s statement sufficiently trustworthy.
    5
    Op. at 33.
    6
    Op. at 34 (emphasis added).
    7
    Specifically, Bacod asked Detective Huelskoetter:
    •	 “[W]ere you there at the scene?”
    •	 “Was . . . it just [Richards] and [Moore] alone?”
    •	 “[W]as there other people with [Moore] and . . . [Richards]? . . .
    Were there two females there?”
    8
    Bacod initially indicated that Travis Moore, Ashlee Richards, Raven
    Ketzler, and Sherrell Porterfield wanted to “jump” and “beat . . . up” Sanders, but she
    later said “[t]hey were . . . gonna try to talk . . . it out.”
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    B.     Spontaneity
    In discussing spontaneity, the court focuses primarily on the fact that Bacod
    initiated the call to Detective Huelskoetter and states that the detective’s questions to her
    were “open-ended.”9 But though it is true that much of Bacod’s statement was made in
    response to open-ended questions, the most relevant portion — Bacod’s claims about
    Travis Moore’s intent10 — was obtained through the detective’s leading questions.
    Bacod never independently stated (or even implied) that Moore was the ringleader of the
    alleged assault. She indicated this only by affirmatively answering two very leading
    questions: (1) “So . . . you know that [Moore] wanted to beat [Sanders] up over the
    money?” and (2) “[W]hen they were goin’ over there[,] [it] was pretty much the idea . . .
    that [Moore] was gonna beat him up?”11 I do not think that Bacod’s responses to the
    detective’s leading questions on this critical issue can be considered spontaneous, and
    I would conclude that this factor weighs against the trustworthiness of Bacod’s
    statement.
    C.     Under Oath
    Bacod’s statement was not sworn testimony. Accordingly I would conclude
    that this factor weighs against the statement’s trustworthiness.
    D.     Cross-examination
    Bacod’s statement was not subjected to thorough cross-examination.
    Although Detective Huelskoetter asked several leading questions, none was particularly
    9
    Op. at 34.
    10
    Moore’s intent was important and perhaps critical to the admissibility of
    Bacod’s statement, as the court notes. Op. at 18-19.
    11
    Moreover, this second question would have been objectionable if it had
    been asked at trial because Bacod had no personal knowledge of Moore’s state of mind
    at the moment “when [the alleged conspirators] were goin[g]” to Sanders’s apartment.
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    pointed or intended to cast doubt on Bacod’s truthfulness, as the State’s questions would
    have been had Bacod been able to testify at trial. Indeed, cross-examination would have
    been particularly helpful in clarifying this particular statement, because it might have
    shed light on whether Richards actually told Bacod that the alleged conspirators were
    planning to “jump” and “beat . . . up” Sanders or merely indicated an intent to “talk” with
    him. Because the State was unable to press Bacod on this point, I would conclude that
    this factor weighs against the trustworthiness of Bacod’s statement.
    E.     Relationship
    The court concludes that Bacod’s decision to talk to a police officer
    investigating the deaths of two friends strongly favors the trustworthiness of Bacod’s
    statement.12 The court also notes that knowingly providing false information to the
    police could have subjected Bacod to criminal liability.13 And elsewhere in its analysis,
    the court suggests that Bacod’s statement was more trustworthy because she made it in
    the presence of her mother.14 But as a general matter, I suspect police officers and
    parents of teenagers would be skeptical of the court’s reasoning, since it is not
    uncommon for individuals to lie to the police, or teenagers to their parents. And as noted
    above, the idea that Bacod was highly motivated to tell the truth — either by the death
    of her friends or by the potential for criminal liability — is somewhat belied by the fact
    that she changed her account halfway through her statement.
    For these reasons, I would conclude that the relationship between Bacod
    and Detective Huelskoetter provides, at best, weak support for trustworthiness. I do not
    think there is enough information in the record about Bacod’s relationship with her
    12
    Op. at 36.
    13
    Op. at 36.
    14
    Op. at 34.
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    mother and with Detective Huelskoetter (or police officers in general) to support the
    conclusion that these relationships “strongly favor” her statement’s trustworthiness.
    F.     Recantation Or Reaffirmation
    There is no evidence to suggest Bacod recanted or reaffirmed her statement
    after talking with Detective Huelskoetter, and she died before the evidence of her
    statement came to light. As already noted, however, Bacod walked back a critical part
    of her account — namely, that Moore, Richards, Ketzler, and Porterfield intended to
    assault Sanders — midway through her statement. Although it seems likely that Bacod’s
    reason for changing her narrative was to protect Ketzler and Porterfield once she learned
    they had been present at Sanders’s house during the shootings, Bacod’s shift of narrative
    was indisputably a “partial[] backtrack,”15 as the court puts it, or a partial recantation, as
    I would put it. For this reason, I would conclude that this factor weighs against finding
    Bacod’s statement trustworthy.
    G.     Recording
    Bacod’s statement was recorded. As the court correctly concludes,16 this
    weighs in favor of the statement’s trustworthiness.
    H.     Firsthand Knowledge
    The court notes that Bacod had firsthand knowledge of her conversation
    with Richards, which seems indisputable.17 Nevertheless, I am not persuaded that this
    factor favors admissibility. It is difficult to imagine proffered evidence of hearsay within
    15
    See Op. at 16.
    16
    See Op. at 33.
    17
    See Op. at 37. The court also notes that Bacod had close ties w ith Richards
    and knew the identities of the other three alleged conspirators. 
    Id. For the
    reasons
    discussed in the next section, however, I am unpersuaded that this corroborating
    evidence supports the trustworthiness of Bacod’s statement.
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    hearsay where the out-of-court declarant will not have firsthand knowledge of the second
    declarant’s statement, so this factor would appear to support the admission of hearsay
    within hearsay in most cases. But each level of hearsay compounds the risk that the
    original statement was miscommunicated or misunderstood, and a factor that usually or
    always favors the admission of hearsay within hearsay seems an unreliable indicator of
    whether the statement is trustworthy. Therefore, while firsthand knowledge (or lack
    thereof) seems a particularly relevant factor in determining whether a typical hearsay
    statement should be considered reliable,18 I would conclude that this factor has little or
    no weight in determining the trustworthiness of hearsay-within-hearsay statements,
    including Bacod’s.
    I.     Corroborating Evidence
    Finally, the court concludes that corroborating evidence supports the
    trustworthiness of Bacod’s statement. The court highlights Bacod’s identification of
    Moore, Richards, Ketzler, and Porterfield early in her statement without prompting from
    Detective Huelskotter.19 And the court notes that the four friends had three weapons in
    their possession the night of the shootings: (1) Richards’s push knife, (2) the machete
    in the car, and (3) Moore’s unloaded pistol.20
    But the fact that Bacod could identify the alleged conspirators provides
    minimal corroboration for Bacod’s statement, since Bacod’s statement suggests that the
    friends regularly spent time together, and Bacod did not actually know whether Ketzler
    18
    See United States v. Hall, 
    165 F.3d 1095
    , 1111 (7th Cir. 1999) (holding
    third-party suspect’s confession unreliable where it was “clear” that suspect “knew
    nothing about the specifics of the crime”).
    19
    Op. at 36.
    20
    
    Id. at 37.
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    and Porterfield visited Sanders the night of the shootings. Moreover, Bacod’s
    identification of her friends does not corroborate the critical portion of Bacod’s
    statement: her explanation for why those friends visited Sanders’s apartment.
    Likewise, the existence of the three weapons adds little corroborative force
    to Bacod’s statement. The push knife and machete are conditionally relevant only if the
    weapons were intended to be used to assault Sanders,21 but there is no evidence of such
    intent. To the contrary, Richards never brandished the push knife and the machete
    remained in the car.22 And while Moore’s pistol provides some corroboration for the
    general thrust of Bacod’s statement, the weapon’s existence rebuts the portion of
    Bacod’s statement that specifically addresses Moore’s relationship with firearms. When
    asked whether she had ever observed Moore with a gun, Bacod responded: “No, . . . no.
    I can’t imagine [Moore] with a gun.”23 Bacod further speculated that Ketzler was the
    only one of the alleged conspirators who might have had a gun, but there is no evidence
    in the record suggesting that Ketzler possessed a firearm either on the night of the
    shootings or in general.
    For these reasons, I do not share the court’s confidence that Bacod’s
    identification of the group of friends who visited Sanders on the night of the shootings
    — or the existence of the friends’ three weapons — significantly corroborates Bacod’s
    statement. I would conclude that the corroborating evidence here provides only weak
    support for the statement’s trustworthiness.
    21
    See Alaska R. Evid. 104(b).
    22
    Indeed, Sanders was not aware of either weapon, and the superior court
    concluded they were irrelevant and inadmissible.
    23
    It also seems odd that Moore would take an unloaded weapon to Sanders’s
    house if he intended to assault Sanders.
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    III.   CONCLUSION
    I disagree with the court’s conclusion that Bacod’s statement was
    sufficiently trustworthy to be admissible under Rule 804(b)(5), and I am especially
    troubled by the court’s holding that Bacod’s statement was so trustworthy that it must be
    admitted as a matter of law.24
    The court attempts to narrow the breadth of this holding by stating that the
    residual hearsay exceptions apply “only on rare occasions,” should not be treated as
    “invitations to discard the general prohibition on the admission of hearsay,” and must be
    applied on a “case-by-case” basis.25 But litigants — both criminal and civil — will no
    doubt cite this case to support the admission of hearsay statements under the residual
    hearsay exceptions. And Bacod’s unsworn, telephonic statement seems less trustworthy
    than evidence from sworn affidavits or in-person interviews if such evidence can be
    partially corroborated. Though the court has not previously held that these types of
    hearsay evidence should be admissible at trial, I fail to see why today’s ruling will not
    lead to the regular admission of such statements.
    I fear the court will come to regret its expansion of the residual hearsay
    exceptions, and I respectfully dissent.
    24
    See Op. at 39.
    25
    See Op. at 32-33.
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    Anchorage Police Department Transcript
    Q - DETECTIVE M. HUELSKOETTER
    A - CARMELA BACOD
    A.	 Everything happened, and she told me, like, actually it’s been goin’ on for like,
    about two weeks now. Um, the - Ryan SANDERS (Phonetic), he stole money
    from one of our friends, and they wanted to go beat him up to get the money back,
    ‘cause it was pretty much a lot of money, and I think that’s what like, triggered
    it (clears throat) to happen.
    Q.	 Do you know who, uh - which friend had the money stolen?
    A.	 I don’t know her last name. I’ve met her just one time. Her name is RAVEN
    (Phonetic), though.
    Q.	 Okay. So, what - what exactly do you know about the s - stealing of the money?
    A.	 Um, well, ASHLEE (Phonetic) told me, uh, like about a week and a half ago, she
    told me on the phone that hi - her, RAVEN, and TRAVIS (Phonetic), and
    TRAVIS’s fiancée SHERRELL, (Phonetic) and RYAN were all hangin’ out, and
    then RYAN ended up the one only awake. Everyone was sleeping and they woke
    up with money gone, and they were guessing it was him, ‘cause he was the only
    one awake, and he was gone when they came - when they woke up.
    Q.	 Humph.
    A.	 So, they assumed that he had stolen the money and ASHLEE told me that she
    heard around that RYAN had bought, uh, marijuana and alcohol and other drugs
    with the money.
    Q.  Uh-huh.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.  So, that’s what I’ve heard.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.	 Okay. Do you - do you know of any other, uh, bad blood between RYAN and
    TRAVIS and that group? Any other things goin’ on?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Um, I don’t know RYAN - I’ve never met RYAN, but his name sounds really
    familiar, and I’ve known TRAVIS for a couple months, and I’ve known
    ASHLEE, she - she was my best friend, and I’ve known her since third grade.
    Q.	 Okay.
    A.	 But, that was pretty much what she told me.
    Q.	 So, what did . . .
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    A. 	She . . .
    Q.	 . . . they tell you about, uh, wanting to go, uh, beat them up over this? I mean,
    what specifically do you know about that? What was the plan?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 (Clears throat) Um, actually he had - he wanted to hang out with them . . .
    Q.	 He, as in TRAVIS?
    A.	 Uh, RYAN. He wanted to hang out with all of us. I was supposed to go with
    them to their house . . .
    Q.	 Oh, okay.
    A.	 . . . that night. (Clears throat) Um, I really don’t know, like - oh, I can’t think right
    now.
    Q.	 Okay.
    A.	 Sorry.
    Q.  So - but you know that TRAVIS wanted to beat RYAN up over the money?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.  Yeah.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.	 And that when they were goin’ over there that was pretty much the idea, is that
    TRAVIS was gonna beat him up?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Yeah. Um, were you there at the scene?
    Q.  I’ve - I was at the scene.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Was, uh - was it just ASHLEE and TRAVIS alone?
    Q.	 I - I’m sorry?
    A.	 Like, um, was there other people with TRAVIS and SHERRELL, like - I mean,
    ASHLEE?
    Q.	 Yeah. There were.
    A.	 Were there two females there?
    Q.  Yes.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.	 So, do you know somethin’ about that?
    A.	 Well, um, RAVEN, she’s a Native. I don’t know if that was one of her females,
    but, she had long hair . . .
    Q.	 ‘Kay.
    A.	 . . . that’s RAVEN. SHERRELL’s a Black female.
    Q.	 Uh-huh.
    A.	 She was, uh, TRAVIS’s fiancée.
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    Q.  Okay.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Um, ASHLEE just told me that they wanted the money back, and then they were
    gonna jump ‘em for it. But, uh, she told me that earlier they tried before or
    something like that, and RYAN’s brother got mad or something and pulled a gun
    on RAVEN’s face, or something like that. I don’t know. She didn’t tell me much
    about that.
    Q.  So, uh, [your] name’s CARMELA, is that right?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.  Yes.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.	 So, now, just let me see if I understand correctly, that you knew that kinda the
    plan was that TRAVIS and his girlfriend and ASHLEE and - and some other girl
    named RAVEN were gonna go over there and essentially jump them to get their
    money back?
    A.	 Not - not jump, like, you know, like, talk.
    Q.	 Okay. They were . . .
    A.	 But . . .
    Q.	 . . . gonna try to talk . . .
    A.	 . . . obviously . . .
    Q.	 . . . it out, or . . .
    A.	 . . . they’re young, so, you know, there’s gonna be violence in it.
    Q.	 Okay.
    A.	 But, I couldn’t stop them.
    Q.	 Right. So, they - they - I mean basically the only reason they were going over
    there was to get the money back.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Probably.
    Q.  Okay. Alright.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.  Um, you ever see TRAVIS with a gun?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 No, he - no. I can’t imagine TRAVIS with a gun.
    Q.	 You can’t imagine TRAVIS with a gun?
    A.	 No. He’s so nice.
    Q.  Is he?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.	 (Sighs) Um, who on that side would - would have had a gun?
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    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Definitely not ASHLEE.
    Q.  Okay.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.  Anyone else that you can think of that mighta had a gun?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 I can’t really, like - I don’t know RAVEN that much, but probably she could. I’ve
    only met her once.
    Q.	 Okay.
    A.  And I don’t know her.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.  Okay. I - is there anything else that, uh . . .
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.  . . . you think I should know?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 That’s - I told you everything I know.
    Q.  Okay. CARMELA, what’s your last name?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 BACOD.
    Q.	 Can you spell . . .
    A.	 B...
    Q.	 . . . that?
    A.	 B as in boy . . .
    Q.	 Uh-huh.
    A.	 . . . A-C-O-D as in dog.
    Q.  B-A-C-O-D?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.	 BACOD?
    A.	 Yeah.
    Q.	 What’s your date of birth?
    A.  [Bacod provided her date of birth]
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.  Um, and how do I get a hold of you again, just call this number?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 This is my mom’s cell phone.
    Q.	 Okay. You have your own cell phone, then?
    A.	 Yeah.
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    Q.	 Okay. And, uh, is that, uh, [Detective Huelskoetter recited Bacod’s phone
    number]?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Yeah.
    Q.  Okay.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.  And where do ya live?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Um, [Bacod provided her home address] . . .
    ....
    Q.	 . . . Alright. If, uh, if I have any other questions, can I, uh, give you a call back
    or come see you?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Yeah.
    Q.  Okay. And, uh, do you have somethin’ to write my name and number down with?
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Mom, can I get a pen?
    Q.  ‘Cause I’ll give you my direct number.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Okay.
    Q.  Okay, my first name is MARK.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.	 My last name, I’ll spell it for you, ‘cause it’s really long. It’s spelled H-U-E-L-S­
    K-O-E-T-T-E-R.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    Q.  And my telephone number is [Detective Huelskoetter provided his phone number]
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    A.	 Okay.
    Q.	 Okay?
    A.	 Thank you.
    Q.	 So, if you think of anything that - that I should know about, will you please give
    me a call?
    A.	 Yes.
    Q.	 Alright, well thank you very much.
    A.	 You’re welcome.
    Q.	 We’ll talk to you later.
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    A.  Alright.
    Q.  ‘Bye.
    A.  ‘Bye.
    BACKGROUND NOISE
    RECORDER SHUTS OFF
    END OF PHONE CONTACT
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