Molly O. v. State, Department of Health & Social Services, Office of Children's Services , 320 P.3d 303 ( 2014 )


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    THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF ALASKA
    MOLLY O.,                       )
    )                       Supreme Court No. S-15076
    Appellant,           )
    )                       Superior Court Nos.
    v.                         )                       4FA-11-00003/00004/00005 CN
    )
    STATE OF ALASKA,                )                       OPINION
    DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH &          )
    SOCIAL SERVICES, OFFICE OF      )                       No. 6877 – March 14, 2014
    CHILDREN’S SERVICES,            )
    )
    Appellee.            )
    _______________________________ )
    Appeal from the Superior Court of the State of Alaska,
    Fourth Judicial District, Fairbanks, Douglas Blankenship,
    Judge.
    Appearances: James H. Cannon, Law Office of James H.
    Cannon, Fairbanks, for Appellant. Jacqueline G. Schafer,
    Assistant Attorney General, Anchorage, and Michael C.
    Geraghty, Attorney General, Juneau, for Appellee.
    Before: Fabe, Chief Justice, Winfree, Stowers, Maassen, and
    Bolger, Justices.
    STOWERS, Justice.
    I.    INTRODUCTION
    In January 2011 the Department of Health and Social Services, Office of
    Children’s Services (OCS) took emergency custody of three children. The children had
    been in the care of their maternal grandparents beginning in October 2010, but before
    their removal had returned to their parents. OCS, under the impression that the children
    were being cared for by the parents at the time of removal, placed the children with the
    maternal grandparents.
    On August 13, 2012, the day the trial to terminate the mother’s parental
    rights was to begin,1 the mother moved to have the grandmother joined in the proceeding
    as the children’s Indian custodian.        The trial court appointed counsel for the
    grandmother, who moved to intervene. After holding an evidentiary hearing, the trial
    court found that the children had been removed from the grandparents’ custody and that
    the grandmother had thus been their Indian custodian at the time of removal. However,
    the court denied both the mother’s motion to join the grandmother and the grandmother’s
    motion to intervene, finding that shortly after the removal the parents revoked the
    grandmother’s Indian custodian status by asking OCS not to place the children with her.
    The grandmother moved for reconsideration and argued that her due
    process rights were violated at the time of the removal. She argued that OCS did not
    provide her with notice of the right she was entitled to as the children’s Indian custodian,
    including notice of her right to intervene in the proceeding and of her right to be
    represented by counsel. The trial court rejected this argument, finding that although OCS
    breached its duty to provide the grandmother with notice required by the Indian Child
    Welfare Act (ICWA),2 because of the short time between the children’s removal and the
    parents’ revocation of the grandmother’s status as the children’s Indian custodian the
    grandmother had suffered no significant detriment to her rights.
    1
    The children’s father relinquished his parental rights.
    2
    25 U.S.C. §§ 1901-1963 (2006).
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    We affirm the trial court’s decision and hold that any error OCS may have
    made regarding the notice provisions of ICWA was harmless.
    II.    FACTS AND PROCEEDINGS
    Jessica and Aaron R. have three children, Ashley, Mark, and Lori, who are
    Indian children for purposes of ICWA.3 For much of the children’s lives the family lived
    with Jessica’s parents, Molly and Chuck, in Molly and Chuck’s home. In spring 2010
    Jessica, Aaron, and the children moved out of that home. It appears that Jessica and
    Aaron separated and Jessica moved in with a boyfriend, Doug, while the children stayed
    with Aaron in a home with several other adults. Uncomfortable with this situation,
    Jessica asked her parents to take care of the children until she and Aaron could get on
    their feet financially. In late October 2010 the children returned to Molly and Chuck’s
    home. In early January 2011 the children spent several days in a home that Aaron was
    sharing with Jessica and Doug. Whether the stay was intended to be a permanent return
    to their parents or a mere visit is the subject of conflicting evidence, the bulk of which
    supports the trial court’s finding that the stay was intended as a visit.               On
    January 10, 2011, the children returned to Molly and Chuck’s home.4 That day Lori
    complained to Molly about discomfort in her genital region. Molly took her to the
    emergency room and, on the advice of hospital personnel, the next day took all three
    children to be interviewed at Stevie’s Place.5 While Lori’s complaints initially raised
    3
    We use pseudonyms to protect the privacy of the family.
    4
    Again, the evidence differs as to whether their return was intended as a visit
    or as a continuation of an indefinite placement with the grandparents.
    5
    Stevie’s Place is a facility-based program that provides forensic interviews
    and medical exams in a child-friendly setting when there is reason to believe a child has
    been sexually abused. RESOURCE CENTER FOR PARENTS AND CHILDREN : S TEVIE ’S
    (continued...)
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    concerns about sexual abuse, she ultimately turned out to have been suffering from a
    yeast infection.
    OCS quickly became involved. Believing the children to have been living
    with their parents, on January 11, 2011, OCS devised a protective action plan under
    which the children were placed with Molly and Chuck, who agreed to not allow Jessica
    to remove the children from their home or allow her to have unsupervised contact with
    them. The next day OCS filed an emergency petition to adjudicate the children as
    children in need of aid and it took them into emergency custody, while maintaining their
    placement with Molly and Chuck. The emergency adjudication petition alleged that the
    children had been living in their parents’ home at the time of removal.
    On January 14, 2011, OCS held a team decision-making meeting (TDM).6
    The purpose of the meeting was to determine the children’s placement and to explore
    issues involving the children’s hygiene, safety, and medical needs. The meeting was
    attended in person by, among other participants, Jessica, Aaron, Molly, and Chuck, and
    telephonically by Aaron’s half-brother, Joseph Frederick, and Joseph’s wife, Carol.7 At
    5
    (...continued)
    PLACE , http://www.rcpcfairbanks.org/stevies_place.php (last visited Feb. 10, 2014).
    6
    According to OCS social worker Natosha Malone a TDM provides “an
    arena where we can invite the family along with any supports to openly discuss the
    concerns that [OCS] has and to develop a plan for placement. . . . We document the
    strengths, the concerns, the ideas, and then hopefully bring the group to consensus by the
    end of the meeting.” If the team is unable to reach consensus on placement, OCS’s
    recommendation is implemented, but the participants are informed that they may contest
    the decision in court.
    7
    The children would eventually be placed with the Fredericks in North
    Carolina in October 2011, where they remain.
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    the meeting the team agreed that the children would remain placed in unlicensed relative
    care with Molly and Chuck.
    Later that day the trial court held an emergency probable cause hearing.
    At the hearing, which was attended by Jessica and Aaron, but not Molly or Chuck,
    Aaron’s attorney stated that Aaron was concerned about drinking occurring in Molly and
    Chuck’s home. OCS informed the trial court that placement with Molly and Chuck had
    been decided at a TDM, and that another TDM, to review the placement while avoiding
    the need for a judicial hearing, had been scheduled for the following week. At the
    termination trial Malone testified that the second TDM was scheduled because Jessica
    and Aaron disagreed with OCS’s decision to place the children with Molly and Chuck.
    The second TDM was attended in person by Jessica and Aaron and their
    attorneys, and telephonically by the Fredericks. Molly and Chuck did not attend. Jessica
    and Aaron each expressed concerns about the children’s placement with Molly and
    Chuck. Their concerns included suspicions about Chuck having been a perpetrator of
    sex abuse, safety issues involving power tools in the home, drinking in the home, and
    Jessica having blocked details of her childhood from her memory, suggesting that Jessica
    had suffered abuse by her parents. At a later hearing Malone testified about the second
    TDM. She stated that at the meeting she had not heard Jessica specifically ask OCS to
    remove the children from Molly and Chuck, but that Jessica “wanted them moved.”
    Malone stated that “[u]nder no circumstances was I under any impression that [Jessica]
    wanted her kids to remain with [Molly and Chuck].”8 Despite the concerns, the children
    remained placed with Molly and Chuck.
    8
    Malone testified that she felt that Jessica appeared more comfortable
    speaking openly outside her parents’ presence. Malone testified that Jessica told the
    group that her childhood “must have been really bad if I’ve blocked it out,” and that
    Malone found Jessica’s statements to be “bone chilling.”
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    According to social worker Justin Heminger, who took over the case in
    spring 2011, another TDM was held in June 2011, shortly after he visited Molly and
    Chuck’s home. The purpose of the TDM was to consider whether to change the
    children’s placement. Heminger was concerned about the condition of the home,
    including strong odors of cigarette smoke and cat urine, power tools, heavy boxes
    stacked against the walls, clutter, overloaded dishes and ash trays, and auto parts in the
    yard. The team decided to continue the placement for two weeks to allow Molly and
    Chuck to alleviate the concerns. Following the TDM Molly and Chuck remedied most,
    but not all, of OCS’s concerns about the home’s conditions.
    But OCS continued to have concerns about the placement, which the
    children’s guardian ad litem (GAL) had opposed since the beginning. According to
    Heminger, OCS’s ongoing concerns included cleanliness, discipline issues, Lori’s
    continuing yeast infection, discontinuance of Lori’s counseling, drinking, and neglect.
    Another TDM was held in August 2011, at which the team decided to place the children
    with their paternal relatives, the Fredericks, in North Carolina.9 But because that
    placement could not occur immediately, and the team determined that the children
    required immediate removal from Molly and Chuck’s care, the children were temporarily
    placed in a local foster home before moving to the Frederick home in October 2011.
    Molly and Chuck requested a review hearing to contest the change of
    placement. OCS, the GAL, and Aaron opposed the request while Jessica took no
    position. On September 1, 2011, the trial court held a proceeding to consider the request.
    On September 8, 2011, the trial court announced its decision that because Molly and
    Chuck were not parties to the child in need of aid (CINA) proceeding they were without
    9
    Attending this meeting were Jessica, Aaron, Chuck, representatives of
    Eagle and Tanana Chiefs Conference, and the GAL. Molly did not attend. According
    to Malone all of the participants supported the change in placement.
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    standing to challenge OCS’s placement decision. Molly and Chuck did not appeal the
    ruling.
    A trial on OCS’s petition to terminate Jessica’s parental rights was
    scheduled to begin on August 13, 2012. That morning, Jessica’s attorney filed a motion
    asking the trial court to allow Molly to join the case as a party, claiming that she was the
    children’s Indian custodian from whose care and custody the children had been
    removed.10 The attorney averred that the trial court could not terminate Jessica’s parental
    rights because OCS was not prepared to prove that entrusting the children to Molly’s
    custody would result in serious emotional or physical damage to them.11 This was the
    first indication OCS had received from the parents or grandparents that Molly had been
    the children’s Indian custodian at the time of removal. OCS’s attorney stated on the
    record that OCS had been operating all along under the belief that the children had been
    living with, and in the custody of, their parents, not their grandparents, at the time of
    their removal.
    The trial court appointed counsel to represent Molly and scheduled an
    evidentiary hearing on the Indian custodian issue. The hearing was held on October 5
    and 8, 2012. Molly, Chuck, Jessica, and Doug testified, as did social workers Malone
    and Heminger. The Native Village of Eagle participated. The bulk of the evidence
    presented, including testimony by Molly, Chuck, Jessica, and Doug, indicated that the
    children had been temporarily visiting their parents in early January 2011 rather than
    having been returned to them permanently.
    Following the hearing the trial court denied Molly’s request to intervene
    and Jessica’s request to join Molly as a party. The court found that the children had been
    10
    See 25 U.S.C. § 1912(a).
    11
    See 25 U.S.C. § 1912(f).
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    living with Molly and Chuck on January 12, 2011, when they were taken into OCS’s
    custody. It concluded, based on this fact and on Jessica’s temporary grant of physical
    care, custody, and control of the children to the grandparents, that Molly had been the
    children’s Indian custodian at the time of their removal.12 The court noted that there was
    conflicting evidence as to whether Jessica intended Molly’s custodianship of the children
    to continue after the children were removed by OCS. It acknowledged Jessica’s
    testimony that she did not tell OCS that she objected to the children’s placement with her
    parents, that she never asked OCS to remove the children from her parents, and that she
    wanted the children to remain with her parents. But it found that Jessica’s “testimony
    was somewhat inconsistent and hindered by lack of memory.” It found more credible
    Malone’s and Heminger’s testimony that Jessica had repeatedly objected to the
    children’s placement with her parents and had asked that the placement be changed. It
    found that Jessica “object[ed] to the placement with her parents commencing at least by
    January 18, 2011.” The trial court concluded that Jessica’s “desire to remove the
    children from [Molly and Chuck] act[ed] to terminate the Indian custodianship no later
    than the date the children were removed with Jessica’s concurrence.”13
    Molly moved for reconsideration, arguing in part that the trial court’s
    decision was erroneous because, having found her to have been the children’s Indian
    custodian at the time of removal, “the court failed to address or recognize that the state
    had utterly failed to comply with the mandatory requirements for written notice imposed
    12
    25 U.S.C. § 1903 (6) defines “Indian custodian” to mean “any Indian
    person who has legal custody of an Indian child under tribal law or custom or under State
    law or to whom temporary physical care, custody, and control has been transferred by
    the parent of such child.”
    13
    The trial court was referring to the children’s removal from Molly and
    Chuck’s home on August 18, 2011.
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    by CINA Rule 7(f) and 25 CFR 23.11(a),” and had thus deprived Molly of her statutory
    right to counsel, her right to intervene in her grandchildren’s CINA proceeding, and her
    right to due process.14
    The trial court denied Molly’s motion. In doing so the court clarified its
    findings to specify that Molly’s Indian custodianship ended on January 18, 2011, when
    Jessica and Aaron notified OCS that they disagreed with the decision to place their
    children with Molly and Chuck. The court found that OCS breached its duty to provide
    notice to Molly of her right to intervene in the proceeding and to be represented by
    counsel, as required by ICWA, but it found that, because Molly’s status as an Indian
    custodian was extinguished six days after OCS took custody, OCS’s actions had not
    deprived Molly of any important rights and the breach had thus been harmless.
    Molly appeals, arguing that OCS’s failure to provide her with notice due
    to an Indian custodian at the time the children were removed from her custody deprived
    her of her right to due process, and that the parents’ revocation of Molly’s Indian
    custodianship was ineffective until Molly received notice of the revocation. Molly asks
    us to reverse the trial court’s denial of her request to intervene in the proceeding, to order
    the children restored to her physical care and custody, and to vacate all orders issued by
    the trial court since OCS’s assumption of the children into its custody in January 2011.
    14
    Molly argued that OCS erred by not providing her with notice of her rights
    as an Indian custodian under 25 C.F.R. § 23.11(a) and Alaska Child in Need of Aid Rule
    7(f). Under the regulation and rule when OCS petitions to adjudicate an Indian child as
    a child in need of aid it must notify the child’s parents, Indian custodians, and tribe of
    their rights under ICWA. Those rights include the right to intervene in the proceeding,
    the right to be represented by counsel, and the right to obtain a continuance to prepare
    for the proceeding. Additionally, the notice must include a statement of potential legal
    consequences of the proceeding on the future custodial or parental rights of the parents
    or Indian custodians.
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    III.	   STANDARD OF REVIEW
    We review a trial court’s factual findings for clear error and its conclusions
    of law de novo.15 A finding is clearly erroneous if, after reviewing the entire record in
    the light most favorable to the party prevailing at trial, we are definitely and firmly
    convinced that the finding is mistaken.16
    IV.	    DISCUSSION
    A.	   The Parents Ended Their Grant Of Temporary Custody To Molly,
    And Thus Molly’s Indian Custodianship, In January 2011.
    A parent whose child is in OCS’s custody may, with the concurrence of
    OCS, revoke an Indian custodianship that was in place when OCS took custody of the
    child.17 A parent may not create or recreate an Indian custodianship for a child in OCS’s
    custody by transferring temporary physical care, custody, and control of the child to an
    Indian person because OCS, not the child’s parent, is the legal custodian of such a child,
    with sole authority to direct the child’s physical care, custody, and control.18 OCS’s
    placement of a child with an Indian person does not create an Indian custodianship.19
    15
    Thea G. v. State, Dep’t of Health & Soc. Servs., Office of Children’s Servs.,
    
    291 P.3d 957
    , 961 (Alaska 2013) (citing Lucy J. v. State, Dep’t of Health & Soc. Servs.,
    Office of Children’s Servs., 
    244 P.3d 1099
    , 1111 (Alaska 2010)).
    16
    
    Id. at 961-62
    (quoting Brynna B. v. State, Dep’t of Health & Soc. Servs.,
    Div. of Family & Youth Servs., 
    88 P.3d 527
    , 529 (Alaska 2004)).
    17
    Ted W. v. State, Dep’t of Health & Soc. Servs., Office of Children’s Servs.,
    
    204 P.3d 333
    , 339 (Alaska 2009).
    18
    AS 47.10.084(a); see also In re J.J., 
    454 N.W.2d 317
    , 327 (S.D. 1990).
    19
    25 U.S.C. § 1903 (6) specifies that an Indian custodian relationship is
    created when “the parent of such child” has temporarily transferred physical care,
    custody, and control of the child to an Indian person. (Emphasis added).
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    At the time of the termination trial Jessica wanted Molly to be her
    children’s Indian custodian. But Jessica and Aaron’s earlier action in informing OCS of
    their opposition to the children being placed in Molly’s care acted to terminate Molly’s
    Indian custodianship. Despite her wishes at the time of the termination trial, Jessica was
    without authority to reinstate that relationship.
    The trial court found that Jessica and Aaron ended Molly’s Indian
    custodianship on January 18, 2011, by stating at a TDM that they did not want the
    children placed with Molly and Chuck. On appeal, Molly argues that any such sentiment
    by the parents was ineffective to end Molly’s Indian custodial relationship because the
    parents’ intention was not communicated to Molly. But Molly misses a key point.
    Under section 1912(a) of ICWA, it is “the party seeking the foster care placement
    of . . . an Indian child” who “shall notify the parent or Indian custodian and the Indian
    child’s tribe” of the pendency of the proceeding and of the parent’s, Indian custodian’s,
    or tribe’s right of intervention. Here, the party responsible for providing such notice was
    OCS. By telling OCS on January 18, 2011, that they did not want their children placed
    with Molly, Jessica and Aaron effectively informed OCS that any grant of physical care,
    custody, and control they may have earlier given Molly over their children no longer
    existed. Regardless of Molly’s knowledge, or lack thereof, of this communication, OCS
    was the party charged with notifying the children’s Indian custodian, if any, of the
    pendency of the CINA proceeding. Jessica and Aaron’s statements gave OCS actual
    knowledge that, as of January 18, 2011, Molly was not the children’s Indian custodian.
    OCS thus had no duty, from that time forward, to provide Molly with notice under
    ICWA.20
    20
    Molly argues that OCS breached not only a duty to provide her with notice
    of her rights as the children’s Indian custodian, but also a preliminary duty to inquire into
    (continued...)
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    Once an Indian custodian’s status has been revoked, that person has no role
    in ongoing child protection proceedings. By way of illustration, in In re G.L.,21 a
    grandmother informed the state social services agency and the trial court that she was a
    child’s Indian custodian after the trial court had issued jurisdictional findings.22 The
    grandmother’s disclosure of her status triggered the agency’s duty to provide her with
    20
    (...continued)
    her status as such. OCS responds that the facts available at the time gave it no reason to
    suspect that an Indian custodianship may have existed in this case, and thus it had no
    duty to inquire into Molly’s status. We note the statement of the Michigan Supreme
    Court:
    While it is impossible to articulate a
    precise rule that will encompass every possible
    factual situation, in light of the interests
    protected by ICWA, the potentially high costs
    of erroneously concluding that notice need not
    be sent, and the relatively low burden of erring
    in favor of requiring notice . . . the standard for
    triggering the notice requirement of
    25 U.S.C.A. 1912(a) must be a cautionary
    one. . . .
    In re Morris, 
    815 N.W.2d 62
    , 64-65 (Mich. 2012). Here, the trial court correctly
    concluded that the short period of time between the children’s removal and the parents’
    revocation of Molly’s Indian custodian status rendered any error OCS may have made
    in not providing Molly with notice of her rights under ICWA harmless. The same
    analysis compels a conclusion that any error OCS may have made by not inquiring into
    Molly’s status was also harmless. Thus, we need not and do not decide whether, given
    the facts available at the time, OCS had a duty to inquire into Molly’s status, and, if so,
    whether it violated that duty.
    21
    
    99 Cal. Rptr. 3d 356
    (Cal. App. 2009).
    22
    
    Id. at 360.
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    notice under ICWA.23 The agency did not provide the required notice, but before any
    further substantive proceedings occurred in the case, the mother revoked her grant of
    custodianship to the grandmother.24 The mother later recanted her revocation and
    expressed her desire to have the grandmother’s Indian custodian status reinstated. The
    appellate court held that once the grandmother’s “Indian custodian status was revoked,
    the notice provisions of ICWA no longer applied to her, regardless of [the parent’s]
    intent to the contrary.”25 The court held that while the agency erred in failing to provide
    the Indian custodian with notice, the error was harmless.26 The court concluded,
    “[G]iven the unusual procedural posture in which we address the issue of notice to an
    Indian custodian, even a conditional reversal and remand for further ICWA notice would
    be futile, an empty formality and a waste of ever-more-scarce judicial resources.”27 We
    agree with the rationale of G.L.
    The trial court’s factual finding that Jessica objected to the children’s
    placement with Molly and Chuck on January 18, 2011, is supported by the record and
    thus not clearly erroneous. The trial court’s conclusion from this finding that Jessica’s
    desire to remove the children from Molly and Chuck acted to terminate Molly’s Indian
    custodianship is not erroneous. And the court’s determination that OCS’s failure to
    provide notice of the rights of an Indian custodian to Molly was harmless given that
    23
    
    Id. at 365-66.
           24
    
    Id. at 362,
    366.
    25
    
    Id. at 366.
           26
    
    Id. at 366-67.
           27
    
    Id. at 367
    (quoting In re E.W., 
    88 Cal. Rptr. 3d 338
    , 343 (Cal. App. 2009)).
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    Molly’s Indian custodianship was terminated six days after OCS took custody is also not
    erroneous.
    B.     Molly’s Other Arguments Are Without Merit.
    Molly argues that Jessica created an Indian custodianship in her by
    executing powers of attorney for the children, and that because Jessica did not revoke the
    powers of attorney Molly’s status as the children’s custodian was never revoked. She
    argues that because she was not informed that the powers of attorney had been revoked
    OCS was required to treat her as the children’s custodian, even though Jessica directly
    told OCS that she opposed Molly’s custodianship. But, by informing OCS that she
    opposed Molly’s exercise of custody over the children, Jessica revoked, at least as far as
    OCS’s relationship with Molly was concerned, any indicia of custody that Molly had
    acquired through the powers of attorney. By their terms, the powers of attorney were
    “revocable by [Jessica] at any time.” Molly’s argument thus has no merit.
    Finally, Molly argues that because OCS violated its duty under section
    1912 of ICWA 28 to provide her with notice of the CINA proceeding and of her right to
    intervene in it, section 191429 of ICWA mandates that all of the trial court’s orders
    following the children’s removal must be vacated, the case must be reset to its status at
    the time of the removal, and the children must be returned to Molly’s physical custody.
    We reject this argument because of our holding that OCS’s error in not providing notice
    to Molly was harmless.
    V.    CONCLUSION
    For the foregoing reasons the trial court’s denial of Molly’s request to
    intervene in the children’s CINA proceeding is AFFIRMED.
    28
    25 U.S.C. § 1912 (2006).
    29
    25 U.S.C. § 1914 (2006).
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    BOLGER, Justice, dissenting.
    The Indian Child Welfare Act creates important procedural rights for Indian
    custodians.1 For example, in any state court involuntary proceeding involving an Indian
    child, “the party seeking the foster care placement of, or termination of parental rights
    to” that child must provide notice to the Indian custodian of the proceedings and of his
    or her right to intervene,2 and an indigent Indian custodian has a statutory right to court-
    appointed counsel.3
    Here, the superior court ultimately concluded that Molly was an Indian
    custodian for ICWA purposes at the time OCS filed its initial petition. In my view,
    Molly’s Indian custodian status should have been apparent after minimal inquiry because
    (1) the children had been living with her for months, (2) Molly brought the children to
    the attention of OCS, and (3) OCS immediately returned the children to her care. The
    superior court should have appointed counsel to represent Molly at the very first hearing
    and provided notice to all parties of Molly’s status as an Indian custodian.
    However, this court’s decision reasons that the superior court’s failure to
    provide notice and counsel to Molly was harmless because Aaron and Jessica objected
    to Molly’s custodianship at a meeting with OCS a few days later. I respectfully disagree
    with this conclusion.
    If the court had properly recognized Molly’s status and appointed counsel
    for her, then the course of the following proceedings may well have been much different.
    Aaron and Jessica may have realized the benefits of continuing Molly’s status as an
    Indian custodian. Molly may have chosen to participate in the team decision meetings
    1
    See 25 U.S.C. § 1912 (2013).
    2
    § 1912(a).
    3
    § 1912(b).
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    where the parties discussed the children’s placement.             And with competent
    representation, Molly would have recognized her statutory right to judicial review of
    OCS’s later decision to remove the children from her care.4
    In a criminal case, interference with a defendant’s right to counsel is often
    considered to be a structural error that requires reversal because the consequences of
    such an error “are necessarily unquantifiable and indeterminate.”5 Similar considerations
    leave me skeptical about this court’s conclusion that there was no harmful consequence
    from the failure to appoint counsel for Molly. I respectfully dissent.
    4
    See AS 47.14.100(m); Irma E. v. State, Dep’t of Health & Soc. Servs., 
    312 P.3d 850
    , 853-54 (Alaska 2013).
    5
    Cook v. State, 
    312 P.3d 1072
    , 1088 (Alaska 2013) (Maassen, J., dissenting)
    (quoting United States v. Gonzalez–Lopez, 
    548 U.S. 140
    , 150 (2006)); see also
    McKinnon v. State, 
    526 P.2d 18
    , 24 (Alaska 1974).
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