Henri Nababan v. Merrick Garland ( 2021 )


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  •                      FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    HENRI NABABAN; HARLENA ROSE                       No. 18-72548
    SILALAHI,
    Petitioners,                  Agency Nos.
    A078-020-176
    v.                           A096-349-826
    MERRICK B. GARLAND, Attorney
    General,                                             OPINION
    Respondent.
    On Petition for Review of an Order of the
    Board of Immigration Appeals
    Argued and Submitted April 13, 2021
    Pasadena, California
    Filed November 23, 2021
    Before: Richard A. Paez and Lawrence VanDyke, Circuit
    Judges, and Sharon L. Gleason, * District Judge.
    Opinion by Judge Gleason;
    Dissent by Judge VanDyke
    *
    The Honorable Sharon L. Gleason, United States District Judge for
    the District of Alaska, sitting by designation.
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    SUMMARY **
    Immigration
    Granting Henri Nababan and Harlena Rose Silalahi’s
    petition for review of an order of the Board of Immigration
    Appeals denying their second motion to reopen their
    applications for asylum, withholding of removal, and relief
    under the Convention Against Torture, vacating the order of
    removal, and remanding, the panel held that the Board erred
    by failing to assess Petitioners’ individualized risk of
    persecution in Indonesia due to their identity as evangelical
    Christians.
    The panel explained that the Board correctly recognized
    that Christians in Indonesia are a disfavored group, but it
    failed to account for Petitioners’ status as evangelical
    Christians or the evidence they presented indicating that
    evangelical Christians have experienced a particular
    increase in violence and persecution, beyond that
    experienced by Indonesian Christians in general.
    The panel remanded for the Board to assess whether
    country conditions in Indonesia have materially changed for
    evangelical Christians in particular, as distinct from
    Christians in general. Moreover, the panel instructed that if
    the Board finds materially changed country conditions, it
    should consider the impact of Petitioners’ recent leadership
    roles in their church, which the Board previously
    characterized as changes in personal circumstances, and
    determine whether Petitioners have established prima facie
    **
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It
    has been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    eligibility for asylum, withholding of removal, and CAT
    relief.
    Dissenting, Judge VanDyke wrote that the majority
    remands to the Board due to the Board’s purported failure to
    assess Petitioners’ individualized risk as “evangelical
    Christians” within the broader group of Indonesian
    Christians generally, but in doing so, clings to a myopic
    focus on the phrase “evangelical Christians,” which the
    record reveals is at most mere semantics and a
    misrepresentation of the Board’s decision. Judge VanDyke
    wrote that simply because the Board did not ritualistically
    chant the precise phrase “evangelical Christians” in its
    decision cannot be a reason to ignore that the Board
    appropriately considered the particular risk that Petitioners
    might face as Christians who evangelize. Moreover, Judge
    VanDyke wrote that the majority relies on an expert affidavit
    that fails to provide any evidence or analysis showing that
    “evangelical Christians” are treated any differently in
    Indonesia than Christians generally—or, for that matter, all
    religious minorities. Judge VanDyke explained that once
    one strips away the majority’s magic-word requirement,
    what’s left is the question of whether Petitioners have shown
    enough of a change in country conditions to surmount the
    high bar for reopening. Judge VanDyke wrote that the Board
    addressed this exact question, in such a way that not even the
    majority can pretend is wrong without inventing some
    undefined group the Board supposedly failed to consider.
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    COUNSEL
    Howard R. Davis (argued), Law Office of Howard R. Davis,
    Glendale, California, for Petitioner.
    Remi da Rocha-Afodu (argued), Trial Attorney; Mary Jane
    Cadaux, Assistant Director; Office of Immigration
    Litigation, Civil Division, United States Department of
    Justice, Washington, D.C.; for Respondent.
    OPINION
    GLEASON, District Judge:
    Henri Nababan and Harlena Rose Silalahi (Petitioners)
    petition for review of an order of the Board of Immigration
    Appeals (BIA) denying their second motion to reopen their
    applications for asylum, withholding of removal, and relief
    under the Convention Against Torture (CAT). Exercising
    jurisdiction under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1252
    (a)(1), we grant the
    petition for review, vacate the orders of removal, and remand
    for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
    I
    Petitioners are Indonesian nationals and members of the
    Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) Church. Nababan was
    admitted to the United States in December 1999 on a
    temporary nonimmigration visa. He remained in the country
    beyond the authorized time period without permission.
    Silalahi was admitted to the United States in February 2002
    on a temporary nonimmigrant visa and also remained
    beyond the authorized period without permission.
    Petitioners married each other in 2003.
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    In 2003, Petitioners were each served a Notice to Appear
    and charged with removability under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(A)(i). Petitioners conceded removability and
    sought relief in the forms of asylum, withholding of removal,
    and claims under the CAT. Petitioners principally claimed
    fear of persecution and torture in Indonesia on account of
    their SDA faith. Silalahi testified that she had not been
    allowed to spread the word of her faith when she had resided
    in Indonesia and would be unable to safely spread the word
    of her religion if she returned to Indonesia. Nababan
    testified that he was a deacon in the SDA, with the
    responsibilities of cleaning the church, visiting ill members,
    and participating in spreading the Gospel.
    On April 1, 2009, the IJ issued an oral decision denying
    Petitioners’ applications and ordering them removed to
    Indonesia. The IJ denied Silalahi’s application for asylum
    because she had “failed to establish past persecution [or] the
    likelihood of future persecution.” The IJ acknowledged that
    Petitioners were members of a disfavored group in Indonesia
    as Christians but ruled that they had not demonstrated that
    their fear of harm was distinct from that of any other
    Christians in Indonesia. Additionally, the IJ denied both
    Petitioners relief under the CAT because they did not prove
    that it was more likely than not that they would face torture
    in Indonesia.
    The BIA dismissed Petitioners’ timely appeal on
    April 30, 2010. With regard to the withholding of removal
    claims, the BIA found that the incidents of harassment and
    discrimination experienced by Petitioners in Indonesia did
    not constitute past persecution. The BIA also found that
    Petitioners did not establish a “well-founded fear of future
    persecution,” stating that the record evidence did “not
    document widespread mistreatment of Christians”; rather,
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    the evidence demonstrated sporadic incidents against
    Christians that were limited to specific parts of Indonesia.
    Additionally, the BIA assumed that Petitioners were
    members of a disfavored group but nonetheless concluded
    that “they have not established that they face a ‘unique risk
    of persecution’ that is ‘distinct from [their] mere
    membership in a disfavored group.’” Because Petitioners
    failed to submit evidence of individualized harm, the BIA
    found they were not eligible for asylum or withholding of
    removal under the disfavored group analysis. The BIA also
    rejected Petitioners’ CAT claims.
    Petitioners then sought review from this court. The court
    denied the petition in September 2012. Nababan v. Holder,
    479 F. App’x 118 (9th Cir. 2012) (unpublished). The court
    held that substantial evidence supported the BIA’s
    conclusions that “petitioners did not establish their
    experiences in Indonesia rose to the level of persecution”
    and that, “even under a disfavored group analysis, petitioners
    ha[d] not demonstrated sufficient individualized risk of
    persecution to establish eligibility for asylum or withholding
    of removal.” 
    Id. at *1
    . The court also held that substantial
    evidence supported the BIA’s rejection of Petitioners’ CAT
    claims. 
    Id.
    On November 21, 2012, Petitioners filed their first
    motion to reopen to reapply for asylum, withholding of
    removal, and protection under the CAT based on changed
    country conditions in Indonesia. Petitioners claimed that
    “[a]nti-Christian sentiment ha[d] increased in the recent
    months.” Petitioners also submitted evidence of continuing
    religious intolerance and evidence that Indonesian
    government authorities had not always responded to such
    incidents.
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                                7
    The BIA determined that Petitioners’ motion was
    untimely, then evaluated whether Petitioners’ claims fell
    within the only applicable exception to the timeliness
    requirement: changed country conditions. Comparing the
    evidence of Indonesia’s conditions submitted with the
    motion to those that existed at the time of Petitioners’ April
    2009 removal hearing, the BIA concluded that Petitioners
    had not met their “heavy burden” to demonstrate a material
    change in country conditions. The BIA found that “violence
    against Christians in Indonesia is neither systemic nor
    pervasive, but has continued sporadically over the years”
    and that “while Christians are a ‘disfavored group’ in
    Indonesia, . . . the respondents have not offered evidence
    showing that they face an individualized risk of future
    persecution on account of their religion so as to distinguish
    their risk of persecution from the generalized risk felt by all
    Christians in Indonesia.” Accordingly, the BIA denied
    Petitioners’ untimely motion. 1
    Petitioners then again sought review from this court, and
    we again denied review. Nababan v. Lynch, 660 F. App’x
    524 (9th Cir. 2016) (unpublished). The court held that the
    “BIA did not abuse its discretion in finding that Petitioners
    failed to establish materially changed circumstances in
    Indonesia to qualify for an exception to the time limitations
    for a motion to reopen.” 
    Id. at 525
    . As the court explained,
    “[t]he BIA recognized that religious intolerance in Indonesia
    is on-going” but nonetheless “concluded that the violence
    against Christians was neither systemic nor pervasive.” 
    Id.
    1
    The BIA did not address Petitioners’ CAT claims. It appears that
    Petitioners did not appreciably raise the CAT claims in their first motion
    to reopen.
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    On January 2, 2018, Petitioners filed their second motion
    to reopen, which is the subject of this petition. Petitioners
    sought to reapply for asylum, withholding of removal, and
    CAT protection based on “changed country conditions in
    Indonesia that materially affect their new leadership roles in
    the Seventh Day Adventist Church.” Petitioners asserted
    that there had been an “eruption of attacks against Christians
    as a whole starting in 2016.” Petitioners stressed that they
    practiced evangelical Christianity, in which a key tenet of
    their faith is spreading the Gospel, and noted the heightened
    danger they would face if they were to proselytize in
    Indonesia. Petitioners also explained that, in addition to
    being a deacon in the church, Nababan had been chosen as a
    church elder for the 2018–2019 year, and Silalahi had been
    chosen as a deaconess for the 2018–2019 year in addition to
    her continued work as a Sabbath schoolteacher and church
    pianist. Petitioners contended that their new leadership
    positions in the SDA would place them in greater danger in
    light of Indonesia’s recent “rigorous enforcement of anti-
    blasphemy legislation against evangelical Christians” and
    “an increase in violence against Christian evangelicals
    perpetrated by Muslim radicals and hardline Islamic groups,
    whom the Indonesian government supports or fails to
    suppress.” Petitioners provided a letter from Silalahi’s
    father, an SDA member in Indonesia, who explained that he
    had been recently beaten, kicked, and spit on for
    proselytizing to a Muslim. Petitioners also provided
    evidence that the front door of an SDA church had been
    intentionally burnt down in February 2017 and of protests in
    late 2016 sparked by a Christian politician’s alleged
    blasphemy of the Koran. After the protests, the Christian
    politician—popularly known as Ahok—was prosecuted
    under Indonesia’s blasphemy laws and sentenced to two
    years’ imprisonment. Petitioners further submitted several
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    news articles and reports that discussed religious intolerance
    in Indonesia.
    Petitioners included an affidavit from Jeffrey A. Winters,
    Ph.D, an expert in the society, economy, and politics of
    Indonesia. Dr. Winters explained that “radical Islam has
    gained significantly in strength in Indonesia since the end of
    2012, and [] from that date forward the level of violence and
    intolerance directed at religious minorities has increased at a
    shocking rate.” He acknowledged that all non-Muslims are
    under threat in Indonesia as intolerance grows and violence
    against religious minorities becomes more widespread.
    Since Petitioners are evangelical Christians, however, he
    opined that they are at a particularly heightened risk of such
    violence “because a core part of their faith and practice is to
    go out into their communities and ‘spread the Gospel,’ which
    in Indonesia is deemed to be predatory proselytizing.”
    Another expert, Professor Mark Cammack, J.D., stressed the
    heightened risk of vigilante violence that Petitioners would
    face if they were compelled to return to Indonesia and
    engaged in evangelism in accordance with their beliefs. 2
    2
    Notwithstanding these expert affidavits and the other evidence, the
    dissent asserts that Petitioners have not “provided a stitch of evidence in
    support of Petitioners’ motion to reopen evincing that ‘evangelical
    Christians’ as a separate group are exposed to a higher risk of persecution
    in Indonesia than Christians in general.” Although the experts’ opinions
    are compelling, it is also self-evident that if all minority religions are at
    risk in Indonesia, then those that proselytize by seeking to convert others
    to their beliefs are inherently at greater risk than those Christians and
    other minority religious believers who practice their beliefs in private.
    As the First Circuit noted in Sihotang v. Sessions, here too “the record
    reflects a ramping-up of religious intolerance, increasing over time, in
    ways that a reasonable observer might find uniquely problematic for
    evangelical Christians.” 
    900 F.3d 46
    , 51, 53 (1st Cir. 2018) (“In
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    The BIA denied Petitioners’ motion on August 28, 2018.
    The BIA first summarized Petitioners’ claims, noting that
    they were active members and leaders in the SDA Church
    and that a tenet of the SDA Church is to spread the Gospel.
    The BIA then compared Petitioners’ evidence of country
    conditions submitted with the most recent motion to the
    conditions at the time of the 2009 removal hearing. The BIA
    stated that the 2009 evidence “reveals that the Indonesia
    Government generally respected religious freedom, and
    Protestantism received official recognition.” However, the
    BIA had recognized in 2009 that the “Indonesian
    Government sometimes failed to protect persons from
    discrimination and abuse based on religion” and that
    Christian Indonesians were considered a disfavored group
    prior to the 2009 hearing. The BIA then recounted
    Petitioners’ current evidence, including “evidence of attacks
    against Christian churches, including an SDA church”; the
    affidavits from Petitioners’ two experts; and the letter from
    Ms. Silalahi’s father, describing his beating in 2017 for
    providing a Bible and religious instruction to a Muslim. The
    BIA noted that much of Petitioners’ current evidence related
    to “the events leading up to and following demonstrations in
    2016 in Jakarta that were instigated by Muslim radicals
    following blasphemy charges against [the] popular Christian
    politician [Ahok].”
    After identifying Petitioners’ evidence, the BIA
    determined that Petitioners’ “recent leadership roles in their
    church are changes in their personal circumstances rather
    than a change in circumstances or conditions in Indonesia.”
    In comparing the conditions at the time of the 2009 removal
    hearing with those at the time of the most recent motion—
    particular, Islamic fundamentalist fervor seems to have intensified, such
    that evangelical Christians may now be at special risk in Indonesia.”).
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                       11
    filed in 2018—the BIA found that Christians in Indonesia
    continue to be a “disfavored group” but that Petitioners’ new
    evidence did “not reflect materially changed conditions
    affecting [their] ‘individualized risk’ of persecution to
    warrant reopening.” In its analysis, the BIA did not consider
    whether the fact that Petitioners are evangelical Christians
    places them at increased risk of persecution as compared to
    other Christians.
    The BIA ultimately determined that Petitioners “have
    not met their ‘heavy burden’ required for reopening under
    the ‘changed country conditions exception’ to the filing
    restrictions.” Rather, the BIA held that Petitioners had only
    offered “media articles and statements reflecting difficulties
    faced by Christians in Indonesia.” The BIA further stated
    that Petitioners “have not shown that they are similarly
    situated to the well-known politician [Ahok] who was
    subjected to blasphemy charges.” Lastly, the BIA declined
    to exercise its limited sua sponte authority to reopen the
    proceedings. Accordingly, the BIA denied Petitioners’
    motion to reopen. This timely petition for review followed.
    II
    The Court reviews the BIA’s denial of a motion to
    reopen for abuse of discretion. Najmabadi v. Holder,
    
    597 F.3d 983
    , 986 (9th Cir. 2010). The BIA abuses its
    discretion when its decision is arbitrary, irrational or
    contrary to law. 
    Id.
     We review the BIA’s determination of
    purely legal questions de novo and the BIA’s factual
    findings for substantial evidence. Gonzalez-Caraveo v.
    Sessions, 
    882 F.3d 885
    , 889, 895 (9th Cir. 2018). The BIA
    “must show proper consideration of all factors.” Bhasin v.
    Gonzales, 
    423 F.3d 977
    , 983 (9th Cir. 2005). The BIA
    “commit[s] legal error when it fail[s] to analyze [a
    petitioner’s] individualized threat of persecution” as part of
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    a disfavored group. Salim v. Lynch, 
    831 F.3d 1133
    , 1140
    (9th Cir. 2016).
    III
    Generally, a party wishing to file a motion to reopen
    must do so within ninety days. 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.2
    (c)(2).
    However, the ninety-day time limit does not apply when the
    motion to reopen is “based on changed circumstances arising
    in the country of nationality or in the country to which
    deportation has been ordered, if such evidence is material
    and was not available and could not have been discovered or
    presented at the previous hearing.” 
    Id.
     § 1003.2(c)(3)(ii).
    The BIA correctly recognized that Christians in
    Indonesia are a disfavored group. See Tampubolon v.
    Holder, 
    610 F. 3d 1056
    , 1058 (9th Cir. 2010). It failed,
    however, to account for Petitioners’ status as evangelical
    Christians or the evidence they presented indicating that
    evangelical Christians have experienced a particular
    increase in violence and persecution, beyond that
    experienced by Indonesian Christians in general. In
    recounting the evidence Petitioners submitted with their
    motion to reopen, the BIA did note that Petitioners were
    members of the SDA Church, in which a key tenet of their
    faith is spreading the Gospel. But that appears to be the full
    extent of the BIA’s consideration of Petitioners’ evangelical
    faith.     The BIA’s analysis repeatedly described the
    disfavored group at issue as the broader group of “Christians
    in Indonesia.” For example, the BIA cited our court’s
    precedent to explain that “prior to [Petitioners’] removal
    hearing, Christian Indonesians were determined to be
    members of a ‘disfavored group.’” See Sael v. Ashcroft,
    
    386 F.3d 922
    , 927 (9th Cir. 2004). Moreover, despite
    Petitioners’ repeated references to “evangelical Christians”
    and proselytizing activities in their motion, the BIA did not
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                               13
    use those terms. Accordingly, while the BIA obliquely
    recognized Petitioners’ evangelical faith and activities in its
    summary of Petitioners’ claims, its analysis failed to give
    Petitioners’ evangelical faith “proper consideration.”
    Bhasin, 
    423 F.3d at 983
    .
    We note that other circuits have recognized that the BIA
    should consider the unique risks faced by evangelical
    Christians and Christians who publicly proselytize as
    distinct from Christians in Indonesia as a general group. 3 In
    Sihotang, the First Circuit explained that its prior decisions
    rejecting claims of changed country conditions for
    Christians in Indonesia did not dictate the same result for
    evangelical Christians, because their “religious beliefs . . .
    and therefore their experiences with religious intolerance []
    were different in kind, not just in degree.” 900 F.3d at 53.
    The court noted that the record “reflected[ed] a ramping-up
    of religious intolerance . . . that a reasonable observer might
    find uniquely problematic for evangelical Christians” due to
    the “public nature” of their faith. Id. Similarly, the Third
    Circuit cited to Sihotang in Liem v. Attorney General,
    explaining that an “increase in religious intolerance in
    Indonesia” could be especially problematic for the petitioner
    because as a minister in his community, he was practicing
    his Christian faith publicly. 
    921 F.3d 388
    , 400 (3d Cir.
    2019). Both the First and Third Circuits granted the petitions
    for review and remanded to the BIA for proper consideration
    3
    The dissent questions the ability of immigration courts or the BIA
    to determine when a petitioner is an “evangelical Christian, for whom
    public proselytizing is a religious obligation.” Sihotang, 900 F.3d at 50.
    We do not believe that such identification presents a problem in this case.
    Petitioners are members of a well-known evangelical church; have
    submitted a letter from Ms. Silalahi’s father concerning an attack
    stemming from proselytizing; and have professed their belief in
    spreading their faith to non-Christians.
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    of the evidence concerning changed conditions for
    evangelical Christians and Christians who practice their faith
    publicly. Sihotang, 900 F.3d at 53; Liem, 921 F.3d at 401.
    The dissent contends that the majority “faults the BIA
    for not addressing something [i.e., Petitioners’ evangelical
    faith] that was never actually presented to the BIA[.]” But
    that “something” was clearly presented to the BIA in
    Petitioners’ motion to reopen. Petitioners moved to reopen
    principally on the basis that they faced a unique risk of
    persecution as evangelical Christians for whom
    proselytizing is a religious obligation, distinct from the
    larger disfavored group of Christians in Indonesia.
    For the aforementioned reasons, we hold that the BIA
    committed legal error because it did not assess the
    individualized risk of persecution that Petitioners face due to
    their identity as evangelical Christians. Accordingly, we
    grant the petition for review and remand to the BIA. On
    remand, the BIA should assess whether country conditions
    in Indonesia have materially changed for evangelical
    Christians in particular, as distinct from Christians in
    general. If the BIA finds materially changed country
    conditions, the BIA should consider the impact of
    Petitioners’ recent leadership roles in their church, which the
    BIA previously characterized as changes in personal
    circumstances, see Rodriguez v. Garland, 
    990 F.3d 1205
    ,
    1210–11 (9th Cir. 2021) (“Changes in a petitioner’s personal
    circumstances are only relevant where those changes are
    related to the changed country conditions that form the basis
    for the motion to reopen.”), and determine whether
    Petitioners have established prima facie eligibility for
    asylum, withholding of removal, and relief under the CAT,
    see Agonafer v. Sessions, 
    859 F.3d 1198
    , 1204 (9th Cir.
    2017).
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    PETITION FOR REVIEW GRANTED, ORDERS
    OF REMOVAL VACATED, AND REMANDED FOR
    FURTHER PROCEEDINGS.
    VANDYKE, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    Our circuit’s immigration jurisprudence is a perpetually
    embarrassing illustration of how tough it is for judges to
    keep to our proper role, which Congress has narrowly
    circumscribed, tasking us with monitoring an area of law
    mostly assigned to the executive branch of government. The
    majority’s unwarranted reversal in this case is the latest
    specimen of our playing BIA-for-a-day instead of genuinely
    deferring to the agency’s decisions.
    Often, I’m baffled why my colleagues strain to prevent
    removal in some of the cases that come before us,
    particularly where the petitioners have a disturbing criminal
    history. 1 But in this case, it’s easy to see why one would
    1
    See, e.g., Afanador v. Garland, 
    11 F.4th 985
    , 988, 998 (9th Cir.
    2021) (remanding for consideration of additional evidence from the
    parties for a petitioner who had numerous arrests and convictions,
    including two indecent exposure convictions); Agonafer v. Sessions,
    
    859 F.3d 1198
    , 1201 n.1, 1206–07 (9th Cir. 2017) (remanding for
    consideration of changed conditions for a petitioner who committed
    sexual battery and lewd acts with a minor); Morales v. Gonzales,
    
    478 F.3d 972
    , 978, 984 (9th Cir. 2007), abrogated on other grounds by
    Anaya-Ortiz v. Holder, 
    594 F.3d 673
    , 677–78 (9th Cir. 2010) (remanding
    for CAT relief determination for petitioner who communicated sexually
    with minors); Avila-Arias v. Garland, 847 F. App’x 468, 472–73 (9th
    Cir. 2021) (VanDyke, J., dissenting) (highlighting the need for deference
    to the agency regarding its CAT determination because substantial
    evidence supported the determination that the petitioner—who fractured
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    want to help Petitioners Henri Nababan and Harlena Rose
    Silalahi. They present a sympathetic case for asylum, as
    Judge Pregerson lamented in one of their earlier
    unsuccessful trips to our court. See Nababan v. Lynch,
    660 F. App’x 524, 526 (9th Cir. 2016) (Pregerson, J.,
    dissenting). But following the law and not your heart—
    particularly when the two diverge—is the hard part of
    judging. Constrained to the strictly limited role Congress
    established for us, I cannot conclude that the BIA abused its
    discretion, and so I must respectfully dissent.
    In this case, the majority remands to the BIA due to the
    BIA’s purported failure to assess Petitioners’ individualized
    risk as “evangelical Christians” within the broader group of
    Indonesian Christians generally. But in doing so, the
    majority relies on an expert affidavit that fails to provide any
    evidence or analysis showing that “evangelical Christians”
    are treated any differently in Indonesia than Christians
    generally—or, for that matter, all religious minorities. A
    review of that expert affidavit, Petitioners’ own arguments,
    and the actual text of the BIA’s opinion crumples the
    majority’s rationale and shows how its holding is predicated
    on a distinction without a difference. To understand how far
    the majority strays to obtain its desired result, it is helpful to
    review this case in context—where Petitioners have, for over
    a decade, consistently characterized themselves as Seventh
    Day Adventist (SDA) Christians who, like most Christians,
    evangelize.
    a victim’s skull with golf club, committed grand larceny, and strangled
    the mother of his children—would likely not be tortured).
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    I.
    Petitioners first sought relief from removal more than a
    decade ago in 2008. Before the IJ, Silalahi explained that
    they were SDAs who were “always . . . so terrified . . . [for]
    practicing our faith” in Indonesia. She particularly focused
    on the fact that they were “prevented [from] spreading the
    word or gospel to other people.” In Indonesia, she
    explained, it was dangerous for them to distribute pamphlets
    door-to-door “or spread the word to the world about Jesus.”
    The IJ determined, however, that Petitioners failed to show
    how their alleged past harm rose to the level of persecution
    or torture.
    Petitioners appealed to the BIA and, in doing so,
    repeatedly emphasized their status as Christians who
    actively “proselytize.” 2 They pointed to their leadership
    roles and active engagement within the SDA church, noting
    that Nababan was “very active in his [SDA] Church in
    California, as a deacon, an associate for young families, and
    in spreading the gospel.” And Silalahi was “in charge of the
    children’s ministry and proselytizes as required by her
    religion.” They also argued that conditions had worsened in
    Indonesia since they left, pointing to increasing violence
    against Christians, efforts to drive out non-Muslims and
    2
    Proselytize is synonymous with evangelize. See Evangelizing,
    THESAURUS.COM, https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/evangelizing (last
    visited Aug. 16, 2021). The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines both
    “proselytize” and “evangelize” as attempts to convert others to a faith.
    Compare Proselytize, M ERRIAM -W EBSTER D ICTIONARY . COM , https:/
    /www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize (last visited
    Aug. 16, 2021) (to induce someone to convert to one’s faith) with
    Evangelize, MERRIAM-WEBSTERDICTIONARY.COM, https://www.merriam-
    webster.com/dictionary/evangelize (last visited Aug. 16, 2021) (to
    convert to Christianity).
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    implement Sharia law, the burning of churches, the
    beheading and killing of Christians, and violent protests
    waged by the Muslim majority. “Indonesian-Christians, and
    Seventh Day Adventists,” they argued, “are targets in a
    country that accepts persecution and religious intolerance.”
    And they reiterated that “both [Petitioners] have leadership
    positions in their church, and both [Petitioners] are expected
    to recruit new members to their church, an activity
    prohibited in Indonesia.” And because “both [Petitioners]
    hold important positions in their church . . . their claim is not
    based on a generalized fear for all Christians, but for Seventh
    Day Adventist Church leaders.” “The more active a
    Christian is,” they explained, “the more likely Muslim
    fanatics in Indonesia will target him.”
    The BIA dismissed Petitioners’ appeal, concluding that
    their claims of harm for “Christians such as” Petitioners did
    not rise to the level of persecution or torture. A panel of our
    court summarily affirmed the BIA. Nababan v. Holder,
    479 F. App’x 118 (9th Cir. 2012).
    In 2012, Petitioners moved to reopen their proceedings
    based in part on a claimed increase of “[a]nti-Christian
    sentiment” in Indonesia and “their family’s Christian
    religion.” As evidence of the growth of the “anti-Christian[]
    climate,” Petitioners pointed to harassment against persons
    “seeking to convert Muslims to Christianity”—the paradigm
    of “evangelical activities.” Petitioners also referenced
    several other incidents of general “anti-Christian violence
    [that] has grown over time.”
    The BIA denied Petitioners’ motion. It acknowledged
    Petitioners’ SDA affiliation but concluded that Petitioners
    failed to establish any material change of circumstances.
    Another panel majority of our court summarily affirmed the
    BIA, again. Nababan, 660 F. App’x at 525.
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                         19
    In 2017, Petitioners filed a second motion to reopen,
    which is the subject of this petition. This time, however,
    Petitioners added a simple semantic twist. Instead of
    characterizing themselves as Christians who evangelize, as
    they had for the last decade before the agency, they now
    called themselves “evangelical Christians.”
    Not too surprisingly, however, their arguments mirrored
    those made in their previous filings. Just like in their original
    appeal before the BIA almost a decade ago, Petitioners again
    pointed to their leadership roles within their SDA church and
    argued that they were afraid to return to Indonesia because
    of their active involvement within the SDA church.
    Although Petitioners now occupied different leadership
    roles—Nababan served as a Deacon and Church Elder and
    Silalahi served as a Deaconess—they did not explain how
    their different leadership roles resulted in any increased risk.
    Also, as in their original appeal before the BIA, Petitioners
    pointed to violence and harassment targeting Christians, the
    promotion of Sharia law, the rise in Islamic fundamentalism,
    the burning of churches—including SDA churches—and
    violent protests waged by Muslims. And throughout their
    motion, Petitioners alternated between referring to
    “evangelical Christians” and Christians who evangelize.
    Petitioners submitted two expert affidavits in support of
    their second motion to reopen from Dr. Winters and
    Professor Mark Cammack. Both affidavits purported to
    address the “threats facing Indonesian evangelical
    Christians.” On close inspection, however, aside from their
    introductory and conclusory summaries, neither affidavit
    actually addressed how “evangelical Christians” as a group
    are situated any differently from just “Christians” generally
    in Indonesia—or, for that matter, any differently from all
    other religious minorities.
    20                 NABABAN V. GARLAND
    Dr. Winters’s 25-page affidavit, for example, focused
    almost exclusively on “[c]ountry conditions for religious
    minorities” in Indonesia, and never attempted to explain why
    “evangelical Christians” are subject to a different risk of
    persecution than Christians in general, or even religious
    minorities in general. He began his affidavit by summarily
    concluding that Petitioners face “increasing persecution”
    because of their “status as evangelical Christians,” but then
    proceeded to discuss religious minorities for the next
    eighteen pages of his affidavit without another single
    reference to evangelical Christians until his conclusion at the
    end of the affidavit.
    In the eighteen pages of his analysis, Dr. Winters
    summarized surveys that indicated a growing support of
    Islamic law, a 2013 Human Rights Watch report that
    evaluated “[a]buses [a]gainst [r]eligious [m]inorities,” the
    “growing trend of religious intolerance,” and attacks
    “against religious minorities such as the Ahmadis, Shia,
    Christians, and Bahai.” Notably, many of the incidents that
    Dr. Winters recounts in his report occurred around or before
    the time of Petitioners’ first motion to reopen, making them
    irrelevant to Petitioners’ required showing of materially
    “changed country conditions.” Dr. Winters also discussed
    the Indonesian government’s treatment of religious
    minorities, the general awareness that “attacks on Ahmadis,
    Shiites and other minority groups will continue,” and 2013
    and 2014 U.S. State Department reports that found that
    conditions were deteriorating for “religious minorities” in
    Indonesia. None of these reports specifically focused on
    Christians in general, much less “evangelical Christians.”
    Dr. Winters also summarized several Indonesian news
    articles that, again, focused on “intolerance against religious
    minorities.” Dr. Winters then briefly described a visit to
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                               21
    Indonesia where he met with the U.S. Ambassador to discuss
    political Islam in Indonesia and “the serious threats these
    trends posed for the country’s stability, and especially for
    vulnerable religious minorities.” His affidavit makes no
    reference to any of these discussions pertaining specifically
    to the harm that Christians, much less “evangelical
    Christians,” face in Indonesia.
    After summarizing various country and media reports
    that only focused on religious minorities, Dr. Winters
    asserted that the “deterioration in conditions has a strong and
    negative impact on Indonesia’s non-Islamic citizens, but
    especially the Christian minority.” Then, at the very end of
    his affidavit, Dr. Winters stated that the danger Petitioners
    faced “as evangelical Christians is vastly higher now,” and
    that “religious intolerance in Indonesia is especially harsh
    against Christians who engage in proselytizing and
    converting fellow citizens—which is a central tenet and
    commitment of those of the evangelical faith.”
    Dr. Winters’s treatment of “evangelical Christians” brings to
    mind Wendy’s “Where’s the Beef?” commercials: it’s all
    “fluffy bun” and no burger. Other than his bare assertions at
    the beginning and end of his affidavit, there’s simply nothing
    there when it comes to evidence or analysis of targeted
    persecution of “evangelical Christians” in Indonesia. 3
    The only thing Dr. Winters’s treatment of “evangelical
    Christians” in his affidavit demonstrates is that he doesn’t
    really consider them to be situated differently from any other
    3
    Like Dr. Winters, Professor Cammack’s affidavit similarly
    mentioned “evangelical Christians” in the first paragraph, but then
    focused on violations of religious freedom and harassment of Christians
    in general, without mention or citation to sources that treated evangelical
    Christians as a separate persecuted group in Indonesia.
    22                    NABABAN V. GARLAND
    “religious minority” in Indonesia—including, Christians
    generally. His affidavit also illustrates what the majority’s
    decision in this case studiously ignores: that “evangelical
    Christians” and “Christians who engage in proselytizing” are
    the same thing. 4 This is important because, as discussed
    below, the majority faults the BIA for somehow not having
    considered Petitioners’ “identity as evangelical Christians,”
    despite the fact that the BIA clearly considered that they are
    “active members of the Seventh Day Adventist (SDA)
    Church, a tenet of which is to spread the Gospel.” (emphasis
    added).
    The BIA evaluated Petitioners’ arguments, expert
    affidavits, and supporting evidence, and denied their second
    motion to reopen. In its decision, it expressly acknowledged
    that Petitioners “have offered evidence that they are active
    members of the Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) Church, a
    tenet of which is to spread the Gospel.” Pursuant to both the
    common understanding and literal definition of the word
    “evangelize,” which means “preach[ing] the gospel,” the
    BIA therefore explicitly addressed the evangelical
    requirements of Petitioners’ SDA denomination. 5
    4
    The same is true for Professor Cammack, who described the
    Petitioners as “evangelical Christians who seek to convert others to
    Christianity in accordance with the tenets of their faith.” (emphasis
    added).
    5
    The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines “evangelize” as the act
    of    “preach[ing]      the    gospel.”        Evangelize,     MERRIAM-
    WEBSTERDICTIONARY.COM, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar
    y/evangelize (last visited June 18, 2021). It further defines “preach” as
    the act of “set[ting] forth in a sermon,” “advocat[ing] earnestly,” or
    “deliver[ing] (something, such as a sermon) publicly.” Preach,
    MERRIAM-WEBSTERDICTIONARY.COM, https://www.merriam-webster.
    com/dictionary/preach (last visited June 18, 2021).
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                           23
    But the BIA didn’t stop there. It then considered the
    particular facts of Petitioners’ situation, noting that
    “Nababan[] has recently been elected to be an Elder of the
    respondents’ congregation; and [Silalahi] is now a deaconess
    of their congregation.” “Given their status as church
    leaders, and current conditions in Indonesia,” the BIA
    continued, Petitioners “fear that Muslim radicals in
    Indonesia will attack them, or the Indonesian Government
    will arrest them for blasphemy.” (emphasis added). It also
    cited to the portions of Petitioners’ brief where Petitioners
    discussed their fear of returning to Indonesia because of their
    evangelical activities. In recognizing Petitioners’ leadership
    roles in the evangelical SDA denomination, the BIA
    implicitly reinforced what it earlier explicitly recognized:
    that Petitioners would be involved in evangelizing.
    The BIA then proceeded with its analysis, where it noted
    that Protestantism—a subset of Christianity which
    encompasses the SDA church 6—“received official
    recognition” in Indonesia since Petitioners’ last removal
    hearing in 2009. The BIA also considered “the evidence of
    attacks against Christian churches, including an SDA
    church, as well as evidence of the difficulties and obstacles
    faced by Christian congregations in general” (emphasis
    added). By considering the “SDA church” independently
    from “Christian congregations in general,” the BIA again
    demonstrated that it did, in fact, assess Petitioners’ alleged
    individualized risk as Christians who evangelize.
    The BIA also evaluated a country report, evidence of
    demonstrations against the construction of an SDA church,
    6
    Seventh-day Adventists, BBC, https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/
    religions/christianity/subdivisions/seventhdayadventist_1.shtml (last
    visited Aug. 16, 2021).
    24                 NABABAN V. GARLAND
    and numerous news articles provided by Petitioners and their
    experts. To the extent that these sources discussed specific
    anti-Christian sentiment at all, like Petitioners’ experts they
    discussed harassment against Christians in general or SDA
    churches—none specifically referenced the plight of
    “evangelical Christians” per se.            The BIA further
    acknowledged “statements prepared specifically for this
    motion by Jeffrey A. Winters, Ph.D., and Mark E. Cammack,
    J.D. . . . [and] a statement from [Silalahi]’s father, also a
    member of the SDA Church in Indonesia, who states that he
    was beaten by Muslims in 2017 for providing a Bible and
    religious instruction to a Muslim.” (citations omitted). This
    was more evidence of evangelistic activities that the BIA
    considered.
    The BIA ultimately concluded, however, that
    Petitioners’ new leadership roles in the SDA denomination
    reflected a change in personal circumstances instead of
    materially changed conditions in Indonesia, and that the
    “evidence now before [it] . . . does not reflect materially
    changed conditions affecting [Petitioners]’ ‘individualized
    risk’ of persecution to warrant reopening.” Since the BIA
    explicitly acknowledged and evaluated: (1) the SDA
    church’s evangelical nature; (2) Petitioners’ leadership roles
    in that church; (3) the documentary evidence pertaining to
    attacks against an SDA church, the experts’ statements
    “prepared specifically for this motion,” and blasphemy
    charges against a popular Indonesian politician, and (4) the
    portions of Petitioners’ brief specifically discussing the harm
    Petitioners feared due to their evangelical activities, the
    BIA’s reference to Petitioners’ “individualized risk” clearly
    considered Petitioners’ claimed status as Christians who
    evangelized. Upon consideration of this evidence, the BIA
    determined that Petitioners did not meet their heavy burden
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                               25
    required for reopening and denied their second motion to
    reopen.
    II.
    Notwithstanding the BIA’s thorough consideration over
    more than a decade of Petitioners’ status as Christians who
    evangelize, the majority now remands due to the BIA’s
    purported failure to explicitly assess Petitioners’ risk as
    “evangelical Christians.” As explained, nobody—not
    Petitioners, not their experts, and none of the articles they
    provided—provided a stitch of evidence in support of
    Petitioners’ motion to reopen evincing that “evangelical
    Christians” as a separate group are exposed to a higher risk
    of persecution in Indonesia than Christians in general, or
    even religious minorities generally. Our court once again
    faults the BIA for not addressing something that was never
    actually presented to the BIA to address. 7
    7
    The majority disagrees, emphasizing that “Petitioners moved to
    reopen principally on the basis that they faced a unique risk of
    persecution as evangelical Christians,” and so their “unique” status as
    “evangelical Christians” was “clearly presented to the BIA.” I’m not
    talking about mere semantics. As this dissent explains at length, I agree
    that Petitioners and their experts sometimes referred to themselves as
    “evangelical Christians” in their most recent motion to reopen
    documents (while also sometimes referring to themselves merely as
    “Christians” or “religious minorities”). But I strongly disagree that they
    did anything more than that—that is, Petitioners and their experts never
    explained why their newly claimed label of evangelical Christians was
    any different than their prior emphasis on themselves as simply
    Christians . . . who evangelize. Indeed, their interchangeable reference
    to themselves as Christians and evangelical Christians, as well as their
    experts’ total lack of a showing that evangelical Christians are treated
    differently than Christians generally, actually undercuts that there is any
    substance to their semantic shift. That is the “something that was never
    26                   NABABAN V. GARLAND
    Notably, the majority does not contend that the record
    compels a conclusion contrary to the BIA’s with respect to
    Petitioners’ status as Christians. Instead, in support of its
    conclusion, the majority notes a few instances where the BIA
    discussed “Christians in Indonesia” without reference to the
    specific word “evangelical.” But in doing so, the majority
    entirely ignores that the BIA simply used the same label for
    Petitioners that they themselves and their experts repeatedly
    used. And in elevating its own semantics over how the
    parties used a term, the majority permits itself to gloss over
    the merits of the BIA’s actual analysis—including its
    acknowledgement and assessment of the risk associated with
    Petitioners’ evangelical SDA denomination.            And as
    revealed by the Petitioners’ arguments throughout the last
    decade (as well as their own experts’ affidavits),
    “evangelical Christians” and Christians who “spread the
    Gospel” is a distinction without a difference, particularly on
    this record. The majority’s stingy focus on the BIA’s
    omission of the word “evangelical” (while ignoring
    Petitioners’ identical treatment) misconstrues the BIA’s
    actual analysis and determination, which clearly took into
    consideration Petitioners’ risks as Christians who
    evangelize.
    The majority’s emphasis on the term “evangelical
    Christian” is not just absurdly fussy, it’s also inherently
    fuzzy. The majority latches onto the term, but never defines
    what it means. Does the majority mean that “evangelical
    Christians” are a subgroup of Christianity, akin to the
    commonly used distinction between, say, Catholics and
    Protestants? Or does the majority simply mean that
    “evangelical Christians” refers to any “Christians” who
    actually presented to the BIA,” but on which the majority hangs its hat
    on in granting the petition.
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                               27
    evangelize?     If the latter, this broad categorization
    encompasses the vast majority, if not all, Christians, which
    would explain why Petitioners’ own experts and record
    materials treat “evangelical Christians” and “Christians”
    interchangeably. 8 But if the former, what exactly sets this
    ill-defined subset of “evangelical Christians” apart from
    Christians generally, particularly with respect to their risk of
    persecution in Indonesia? Petitioners and their experts
    certainly provided nothing about that to the BIA in this case.
    The majority’s emphasis on “evangelical Christians,”
    without any explanation as to what it means, leaves the
    agency and future petitioners at a loss when attempting to
    ascertain the appropriate analysis for the risk of persecution
    to “evangelical Christians.” All anyone knows is that a
    future petitioner really should call himself an “evangelical
    Christian” going forward, because that has magic power
    before our court. 9
    8
    See Matthew 28:18–20; see also Francis X. Rocca, Yelin Hong,
    and Josh Ulick, How the Catholic Word Is Changing, WALL STREET
    JOURNAL, http://graphics.wsj.com/catholics-world/ (last visited Aug. 16,
    2021) (“Despite the church’s focus on charitable work rather than
    winning converts . . . conversions are an important byproduct of Catholic
    social service projects in Africa.”); Paul Senz, “All Christians are called
    to evangelism”, THE CATHOLIC WORD REPORT (Nov. 16, 2019),
    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2019/11/16/all-christians-are-call
    ed-to-evangelism/.
    9
    The majority’s response to my criticism in this respect validates
    my point. In the same footnote it conflates “an ‘evangelical Christian,
    for whom public proselytizing is a religious obligation,’” with being
    “members of a well-known evangelical church.” The term “evangelical
    church,” as it is commonly used, is different than Christians who
    proselytize (which, as I’ve explained, would include many, if not most,
    Christians). Even the majority isn’t really sure what activities or unique
    status its new magic word encompasses, which is not terribly surprising
    28                     NABABAN V. GARLAND
    The majority also relies on Dr. Winters’s affidavit as
    evidence that “evangelical Christians” face a risk of harm
    separate from Indonesian Christians generally. But an
    expert affidavit that sandwiches the meat of its analysis
    (which, as discussed, was focused solely on religious
    minorities, not “evangelical Christians”) between wholly
    conclusory references to “evangelical Christians” isn’t
    evidence. It’s naked semantic legerdemain, which the BIA
    easily recognized as such, but apparently our court can’t.
    Dr. Winters fails to cite any support showing that
    “evangelical Christians” are treated differently than other
    religious minorities in Indonesia.
    The majority’s reliance on Dr. Winters’s affidavit also
    runs afoul of numerous courts that have determined that
    Dr. Winters’s assertions could not overcome the BIA’s
    broad discretion in denying Petitioners’ requested relief,
    especially given the BIA’s reliance on other parts of the
    record that did not support Dr. Winters’s conclusion—just
    as the BIA did here. 10 Indeed, at least one of our sister
    since the record in this case is of no help in that regard. The majority
    just knows it has mystical power, which the BIA should divine on
    remand.
    10
    See Sugiarto v. Holder, 
    761 F.3d 102
    , 104 (1st Cir. 2014) (“[A]s
    with a very similar affidavit from Dr. Winters discussed in Marsadu . . . ,
    the Board did not abuse its discretion in finding that the Winters
    Affidavit showed only . . . a mere continuation of prior conditions . . . .”
    (citation and internal quotation marks omitted)); Marsadu, 748 F.3d
    at 59 (“That Dr. Winters’s report did not deliver a decision in their favor
    . . . does not entail a sufficient affront to the broad discretion we afford
    the BIA on motions to reopen.”); Lie v. Holder, 
    729 F.3d 28
    , 31 (1st Cir.
    2013) (“We find it notable . . . that the Third Circuit has denied petitions
    for review in at least two cases where this same expert was used to
    establish the existence of persecution of Christian and ethnic-Chinese
    Indonesians.”); Tan v. Att’y Gen. U.S., 568 F. App’x 96, 99–100 (3rd
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                              29
    circuits has declined to reevaluate the weight the BIA gave
    to Dr. Winters’s affidavit, noting that “a challenge to how
    the BIA weighed the evidence . . . is unavailing.” Marsadu
    v. Holder, 
    748 F.3d 55
    , 59 (1st Cir. 2014).
    The majority ignores all this, instead selectively quoting
    one phrase from the beginning of Dr. Winters’s affidavit. To
    the extent that Dr. Winters’s discussion of religious
    minorities in general could be interpreted as necessarily
    extending to evangelical Christians—which would be the
    only explanation for relying on Dr. Winters’s otherwise
    unsupported statement quoted by the majority—well, then,
    we’re back at square one. If evangelical Christians are
    persecuted like any other religious minorities, then the
    majority has no basis to draw some ephemeral distinction
    between Christians and evangelical Christians as its sole
    justification for remanding to the BIA. The majority
    attempts to distinguish evangelical Christians as some sort
    of separate, undefined sub-group of Christianity based on an
    expert affidavit that spends 18 pages demolishing that
    distinction.
    The majority’s misplaced reliance on Dr. Winters’s
    affidavit highlights a bigger problem in this court—which is
    overturning a BIA decision on an abuse of discretion
    standard based on an expert report that does not actually
    demonstrate what the majority asserts. See, e.g., Bautista v.
    Barr, 822 F. App’x 535, 537 (9th Cir. 2020) (VanDyke, J.,
    dissenting in part and concurring in part). Simply citing an
    Cir. 2014) (per curiam); Soetiono v. Att’y Gen. U.S., 431 F. App’x 150,
    155–56 (3rd Cir. 2011) (per curiam); Tanzil v. Att’y Gen. of U.S., 426 F.
    App’x 104, 108 (3rd Cir. 2011) (per curiam) (“Dr. Winters’s testimony
    criticizes piecemeal reform efforts and predicts future violence, but is
    similarly inconclusive.” (citation and internal quotation marks omitted)).
    30                 NABABAN V. GARLAND
    expert affidavit for its purported imprimatur—and then
    selectively quoting from that affidavit while ignoring its
    actual content—cannot be a legitimate basis for
    circumventing our highly deferential abuse-of-discretion
    review. Like chewing your fingernails, contorting the
    arguments and reweighing the evidence that were actually
    before the BIA in order to reach a desired outcome—
    especially when operating under a highly deferential
    standard of review—is a “nasty habit” that judges on our
    court should at least try to kick. See Sanchez Rosales v. Barr,
    
    980 F.3d 716
    , 721 (9th Cir. 2020) (VanDyke, J., dubitante).
    But not today, apparently. The majority clings to a
    myopic focus on the phrase “evangelical Christians,” which
    the record reveals is at most mere semantics and a
    misrepresentation of the BIA’s decision. Simply because the
    BIA did not ritualistically chant the precise phrase
    “evangelical Christians” in its decision cannot be a reason to
    ignore that the BIA appropriately considered the particular
    risk that Petitioners might face as Christians who evangelize.
    Once we strip away the majority’s magic-word
    requirement, we’re left with the question of whether
    Petitioners have shown enough of a change in country
    conditions to surmount the high bar for reopening. The law
    is highly deferential in this area: not only do “[w]e review
    denials of motions to reopen for abuse of discretion,”
    Najmabadi v. Holder, 
    597 F.3d 983
    , 986 (9th Cir. 2010), but
    our court has layered this standard on top of substantial
    evidence review. See 
    id. at 991
     (“[S]ubstantial evidence
    supports the Board’s finding that the evidence [the
    petitioner] submitted in her motion to reopen was not
    qualitatively different from the evidence presented at the
    original hearing.”). The BIA addressed this exact question,
    in such a way that not even the majority can pretend is wrong
    NABABAN V. GARLAND                              31
    without inventing some undefined group the BIA
    supposedly failed to consider. 11
    For all these reasons, I would hold that the BIA showed
    “proper consideration of all factors,” Bhasin v. Gonzales,
    
    423 F.3d 977
    , 983 (9th Cir. 2005), and did not abuse its
    11
    Contrast the BIA’s determination in this case with the two out-of-
    circuit cases the majority also relies on in support of its conclusion. In
    Sihotang v. Sessions, the First Circuit remanded to the BIA while noting
    that “the BIA never even mentioned terms remotely resembling
    ‘evangelical’ or ‘proselytize’ in its opinion.” 
    900 F.3d 46
    , 51 (1st Cir.
    2018). The BIA also “appear[ed] to have completely overlooked critical
    evidence.” 
    Id.
     As discussed above, the BIA’s opinion here both
    explicitly mentioned terms that are synonyms for “evangelical” and
    “proselytize,” and it considered evidence directly pertaining to
    Petitioners’ evangelical denomination. And in Liem v. Attorney General
    United States, the Third Circuit viewed “evangelical Christians” and
    those who “practice [their faith] publicly” to be the same, much like the
    BIA did here. 
    921 F.3d 388
    , 400 (3rd Cir. 2019). Specifically, the court
    granted the petition for review due to the BIA’s complete failure to
    address various exhibits pertaining to the alleged persecution of—not
    “evangelical Christians”—but Christians in general. 
    Id.
     at 396–400.
    Then in dicta, it also observed that “the [First Circuit]’s ruling in
    Sihotang rested in large measure on the changed country conditions in
    Indonesia for all Christians.” 
    Id. at 400
    . And in even more dicta, it
    opined that “to the extent [Sihotang]’s ruling rested on the distinction
    between those who practice their faith privately and those who practice
    publicly, there is evidence here that [the petitioner]’s faith may involve
    a similarly public component” which “might be uniquely problematic for
    [the petitioner].” 
    Id.
     (citation and internal quotation marks omitted).
    This “public component,” however, consisted of the petitioner’s
    “tak[ing] care of [] church services” as a church deacon and “meet[ing]
    the needs of the people in the community.” 
    Id.
     Apart from the fact that
    this conclusion is neither binding nor determinative, I’m not aware of
    any Christian denomination that does not consider those “public
    components” to be important aspects of the Christian religion in general.
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    considerable discretion in denying Petitioners’ second
    motion to reopen.