United States v. Grose , 461 F. App'x 786 ( 2012 )


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    United States Court of Appeals
    Tenth Circuit
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    February 23, 2012
    TENTH CIRCUIT
    Elisabeth A. Shumaker
    Clerk of Court
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee,
    No. 10-6277
    v.                                                  (D.C. No. 5:09-CR-00191-F-1)
    (W.D. Okla.)
    DAVID GROSE,
    Defendant - Appellant.
    ORDER AND JUDGMENT*
    Before LUCERO, HARTZ, and O'BRIEN, Circuit Judges.
    A jury convicted David Grose, formerly the chief financial officer (CFO) of a
    publicly traded company, of three counts of wire fraud for the unauthorized transfer of $1
    million from company coffers for personal use. At sentencing, the district court
    determined Grose’s relevant conduct included the unauthorized transfer of $10 million to
    the chief executive officer (CEO) of the company over a period of four years, Grose’s
    receipt of over $800,000 in kickbacks from an equipment vendor, and the loss of over
    *
    This order and judgment is an unpublished decision, not binding precedent. 10th
    Cir. R. 32.1(A). Citation to unpublished decisions is not prohibited. Fed. R. App. 32.1.
    It is appropriate as it relates to law of the case, issue preclusion and claim preclusion.
    Unpublished decisions may also be cited for their persuasive value. 10th Cir. R. 32.1(A).
    Citation to an order and judgment must be accompanied by an appropriate parenthetical
    notation B (unpublished). Id.
    $95 million to shareholders associated with the public announcement of the CEO’s
    misconduct. Grose was sentenced to sixteen years imprisonment based on losses of over
    $100 million to more than 250 victims and ordered to forfeit $1 million. On appeal, he
    challenges the district court’s instructions to the jury, the prosecutor’s cross-examination
    of his character witness, his sentence, and the forfeiture order. We affirm.
    I.    FACTUAL BACKGROUND
    In 2004, Grose was hired as the CFO for the Quest entities in Oklahoma. These
    entities included Quest Resource Corporation and Quest Energy Partners L.P., both
    publicly traded companies, and Quest Midstream Partners L.P., a private corporation
    (collectively, “Quest”).1 Quest was involved in various aspects of gas and oil production.
    Although the charges in Grose’s indictment were based solely on his unauthorized
    transfer of $1 million of Quest’s funds, his sentence was also based on the $10 million in
    transfers he arranged for Cash and Grose’s acceptance of kickbacks.
    A.     The Offense of Conviction
    In April 2008, Quest purchasing agent Brent Mueller was informed by a former
    business acquaintance, Ralph Ashley, that Ashley and two of his associates had a new
    product, a “hydrogen kit,” which could be attached to vehicles to achieve significant gas
    economy. Ashley invited Quest representatives and representatives from other energy
    companies to view a demonstration of the product. Mueller and Grose attended the
    demonstration on behalf of Quest and were impressed. Shortly after the demonstration,
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    The three companies were separate but utilized the same chief financial officer
    and chief executive officer.
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    Grose and Mueller approached Ashley to discuss making a personal investment in
    Ashley’s new company, Oklahoma Hydrogen Gas Technologies (Hydrogen). Grose and
    Mueller eventually agreed they would invest $1 million for start-up costs in return for a
    share of Hydrogen’s future profits. Grose agreed to personally provide the funding and
    told Mueller he planned to sell his stock in Quest to finance the purchase.
    The two men reported their favorable assessment of the product to Jerry Cash,
    Quest’s CEO. Cash authorized the purchase of ten hydrogen kits, at a cost of $42,000, to
    determine whether Quest would be interested in placing the device on its fleet of
    vehicles. Eventually only two devices were installed, one on Mueller’s company vehicle
    and one on Grose’s company vehicle.
    Grose did not sell his Quest stock. Instead, at the end of June 2008, he had
    Mueller place an order for $1 million to Reliable Pipe & Equipment (Reliable) for the
    pipe Quest would need in 2009. Quest received Reliable’s invoice on June 30, 2008.
    The same day, Mueller and Grose met with an attorney to prepare and file incorporation
    paperwork for a limited liability company, Affiliated Energy Partners (Affiliated Energy),
    in which Mueller and Grose were the only partners. In addition, they had the attorney
    draft a loan agreement between Affiliated Energy and Hydrogen for $1million.
    On the morning of July 1, 2008, Grose wired the payment to Reliable. Before the
    payment had reached Reliable’s bank account, however, Grose e-mailed Reliable and
    cancelled the order. He directed Reliable to re-wire the funds to Hydrogen rather than
    returning the money to Quest. The $1 million was transferred to Hydrogen the same day.
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    B.     Relevant Conduct
    1.     Money Transfers to Jerry Cash’s Personal Account
    Shortly after Grose arrived at Quest in 2004, Cash and Grose agreed to transfer
    funds from the company to Cash’s personal account established in the name of Rockport
    Energy Partnership (Rockport) and under his sole control. According to Grose, Cash told
    him Rockport was a “scouting” organization for Quest and the transfers were authorized
    by the board. (Vol. IV at 93.) According to Cash, Grose told Cash the “line of credit” to
    his personal account was permissible and would not appear on the company’s books as
    long as it was repaid prior to the close of the company’s quarterly reports. (Vol. IV at
    66.) At first, Cash timely repaid the money transferred to the Rockport account. But by
    the fourth quarter of 2005, Cash’s account did not have sufficient funds to repay the
    money he had borrowed. To cover the shortfall, Cash wrote a check from his account to
    Quest and Grose entered the check in the company books as available cash. However,
    Grose immediately transferred the funds back into Cash’s account to cover the check.
    This arrangement continued until mid-2008. At that point, Cash had “borrowed” over
    $10 million from Quest which he was unable to repay. Neither Cash nor Grose informed
    any of the Quest board members what was occurring.
    2.     Kickbacks
    In late 2005, a Quest equipment and pipe supplier offered Grose and Mueller “an
    offer they couldn’t refuse.” (Supp. App’x at 74.) The vendor agreed to pay them one
    third each of the sales profits from his company. Although the vendor never specifically
    told them the profits would be generated by sales to Quest, approximately 90% of the
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    vendor’s pipe sales and 100% of its equipment sales were made to Quest. The payments
    continued until August 2008. Over that time, Grose received $849,670.56 in payments.
    C.    Activities Discovered
    Grose’s financial manipulations began to unravel at the end of the first quarter of
    2008. The April wire transfer from Quest returning funds to Cash’s account was missing
    information. Because of the delay, the check from Cash to Quest was returned for
    insufficient funds. Although the problem was resolved a few days later, the transfers
    caught the eye of an outside auditor, David Mayfield, in July 2008.
    In early July, Cash walked into Grose’s office while Grose was on the telephone
    with Mayfield. Mayfield was inquiring into the purpose of the transfers. Grose
    explained the Rockport account was created to reserve funds for potential acquisitions in
    the event Quest did not want competitors to know it was entering a specific market.
    Mayfield told Grose the money needed to be returned to Quest and, if it was, he would
    not pursue the matter.
    The transfer also came to the attention of Jack Collins, who went to work for
    Quest in December 2007. In July 2008, Collins was preparing a forecast for future
    operations of a newly acquired company which would need an infusion of capital. When
    Quest’s cash balance appeared to be lower than it should be, Collins asked the assistant
    controller why this was so. The controller responded there was a consistent transfer of
    $10 million at the beginning of each quarter. Collins notified David Lawler, Quest’s
    chief operating officer. On July 29, 2008, Lawler e-mailed Grose (copying Cash and
    several other Quest employees) to inform Grose he had learned Rockport was holding
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    $10 million belonging to Quest and the money should be returned for use by Quest for
    other projects. Cash responded the money would be returned.
    Cash then disappeared for a few days. In the meantime, several board members
    had been approached by the Oklahoma Securities Department asking about the $10
    million transfers. An emergency meeting of the board members of all three Quest entities
    was scheduled for August 22, 2008. The members determined Quest would demand
    Cash’s resignation and Grose would be placed on administrative leave while the company
    conducted an internal investigation. On August 25, 2008, Quest issued a press release
    stating Cash had resigned, Grose had been placed on leave, and Lawler was the newly
    appointed CEO. The next day, Quest’s stock price took a precipitous drop.
    After the transfers to Cash were questioned and before he was placed on leave,
    Grose made several attempts to recoup the million dollars he had used to invest in
    Hydrogen. Direct requests to Ashley to repay the funds revealed the money had been
    spent by Hydrogen on start-up costs and unexpected problems with the product had
    prevented sales. Grose unsuccessfully tried to find substitute investors. After being
    placed on leave, Grose no longer had access to Quest’s books.
    During its year-end reconciliation, Quest discovered the paid invoice to Reliable
    but was unable to locate any pipe delivery. Jack Collins, Quest’s interim CFO, called
    Reliable and was told that Grose had cancelled the order. Reliable provided Collins with
    a copy of Grose’s e-mail instructing the transfer of the funds to Hydrogen. Collins
    attempted to telephone Hydrogen but the calls went unanswered. He then drove to
    Hydrogen’s business address only to find another company was leasing the space and it
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    had no knowledge of Hydrogen. Collins eventually learned Hydrogen was no longer in
    business.
    Quest terminated Grose’s employment. An ensuing federal investigation later
    uncovered the vendor’s kickbacks to Grose and Mueller from 2005 through 2008. At
    trial, Mueller testified he met with Grose while the Quest investigation was ongoing and
    Grose told him they should blame everything on Cash.
    II.   PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    On June 16, 2009, Grose was indicted on three counts of wire fraud based on the
    transfer of Quest’s funds to Reliable, the cancellation of the order, and Reliable’s transfer
    of the funds to Hydrogen. A jury convicted him on all three counts. The presentence
    report (PSR) included the $10 million transfer to Cash and the kickback scheme as
    relevant conduct under USSG §1B1.3(a)(1)(2). It therefore calculated Grose’s offense
    level under the 2009 version of the United States Sentencing Guidelines as follows:
    Base Offense Level (USSG §2B1.1(a)(1))                                    7
    Total Loss (over $105.5 million) (USSG §2B1.1(b)(1)(N))2                +26
    Victims (more than 250) (USSG §2B1.1(b)(2)(C))                          +6
    Violation of Securities Law (USSG §2B1.1(b)(17)(A)(i))                  +4
    Obstruction of Justice (USSG §3C1.1)                                    +2
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    This amount reflects the $1 million transfer to Hydrogen as well as loss
    attributable to relevant conduct: (1) the $10 million transferred to Cash; and (2) $95.5
    million in loss to Quest’s shareholders; and (3) approximately $42,000 for the costs of the
    ten hydrogen kits; and (4) $886,000 in kickbacks. Because the $42,000 was without
    consequence to the guidelines loss enhancement, the court disregarded it for sentencing
    purposes.
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    Adjusted Offense Level                                                45
    (Vol. II at 18-19.) With a criminal history category of I, the recommended guideline
    sentence was life imprisonment. However, the maximum penalty for each count in the
    indictment was statutorily limited to 20 years.
    Grose objected to the PSR’s loss calculations. He argued the $10 million transfers
    to Cash were not related to the $1 million transfer to Hydrogen. He claimed Cash had
    told him the transfers were authorized and therefore any loss to Quest was solely through
    Cash’s actions. Similarly, Grose claimed the kickbacks were not related to his offense
    conduct and there was no evidence Quest paid a higher-than-market price to the vendor
    or that the vendor would not have otherwise received Quest’s business. Therefore, the
    amount of loss should have been limited to the $1 million, which called for a 14-level
    enhancement (rather than a 26-level enhancement) under the guidelines. Grose also
    objected to the number of victims and the obstruction of justice enhancements as well.
    As a result, Grose maintains the guideline range for imprisonment should have been 37 to
    46 months.
    The evidentiary portion of Grose’s sentencing hearing was held in conjunction
    with Cash’s.3 At the hearing, Cash testified he told Grose his business ventures outside
    of Quest were missing opportunities due to lack of funds. In response, Grose suggested
    the “line of credit” scheme. According to Cash, Grose was fully aware that there was no
    board authority to make the transfers and knew there was no money to repay the funds by
    3
    Cash pled guilty after reaching a plea agreement with the government and was
    sentenced to nine years imprisonment.
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    2007. Nonetheless, both Cash and Grose signed certifications of Quest’s financial reports
    every quarter.
    The government presented expert testimony on the loss associated with the
    decrease in Quest’s stock value due to its announcement of the change in management.
    Cash presented opposing expert testimony which Grose adopted.
    The court sentenced Grose on November 29, 2010. It determined Grose’s
    assistance to Cash in taking $10 million and his receipt of kickbacks were relevant
    conduct to his offense of conviction:
    Judging Mr. Grose’s faithless acts between the fall of 2005 and the summer
    of 2008 . . . there is no room for doubt that they were of a piece. They
    certainly were part of the same course of conduct. They had common
    victims; they all involved the violation of the same duties owed to the same
    victims; they had a common purpose of illicit and surreptitious enrichment;
    and they were all part and parcel of a protracted and remarkably repetitious
    series of frauds.
    (Vol. IV at 560.) The court, however, imposed a sentence lower than the guidelines’
    recommendation. Grose was sentenced to sixteen years imprisonment on each count of
    conviction to run concurrently and ordered to forfeit $1 million.
    III.   DISCUSSION
    A.     Trial
    Grose raises two trial issues: (1) the court erred in failing to give the proper
    instruction on the defense theory of good faith; and (2) over his objection, the court
    allowed the government to improperly question Grose’s character witness.
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    1.        Jury Instructions
    Grose’s defense, as explained by his counsel in opening and closing statements,4
    was that Cash would not let Grose sell his stock to make a personal investment in
    Hydrogen. Instead, Cash told Grose he wanted Quest to make the investment because he
    wanted to “be out in front” of a competitor’s efforts to “go green.” (Vol. III at 98.) Cash
    told Grose he did not want anyone to be aware of this investment because Quest was in
    the middle of significant business negotiations with the competitor and Cash was
    concerned the investment would affect the negotiations. Therefore, according to Grose,
    Cash told him to proceed as if it were a personal investment. Cash also directed the
    cancellation of the pipe order to Reliable and instructed Grose to have it send the
    payment to Hydrogen. According to Grose, his actions were merely done in compliance
    with Cash’s orders and he had no intent to defraud or harm the company in any way.
    Grose submitted a proposed jury instruction stating in relevant part:
    The Defendant David Grose . . . contends that he is not guilty of the crimes
    charged because of his good faith reliance on the directives of his direct
    supervisor, the Chief Executive Officer of Quest.
    The “good faith” of Defendant David Grose is a complete defense to the
    charges of the indictment because good faith on the part of Mr. Grose is
    simply inconsistent with the knowing intent to defraud alleged in each
    count of the indictment.
    A person who acts, or causes another person to act, on a belief or opinion
    honestly held is not punishable under these statutes merely because the
    belief or opinion turns out to be inaccurate, incorrect, or wrong. An honest
    mistake in judgment or an honest error in management does not rise to the
    level of criminal conduct.
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    Grose did not testify at trial.
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    (Vol. I at 23.) The court refused to give the instruction saying, “[T]he defendant is
    entitled to argue the intent issue in every way that may be supported by the evidence, but
    with the case going to the jury on the basis of the record as it now stands, . . . the premise
    [for the proposed] wire fraud instruction is insufficient to warrant giving separate
    treatment of the good faith issue.” (Vol. III at 478.) Instead, the court instructed the jury
    as follows:
    To find the defendant guilty of a crime charged in the indictment, you must
    be convinced that the government has proved each of the following beyond
    a reasonable doubt, with respect to each crime charged in each separate
    count of the indictment:
    FIRST: That the defendant knowingly devised or intended to devise a
    scheme to defraud or to obtain money or property by means of false or
    fraudulent pretenses, representations or promises;
    SECOND: That the defendant acted with specific intent to defraud or to
    obtain money or property by means of false pretenses, representations or
    promises;
    THIRD: That the defendant used interstate or foreign wire communications
    ....
    FOURTH: That the scheme employed false or fraudulent pretenses,
    representations, or promises that were material.
    (Vol. I at 64.) The instruction defined “an intent to defraud or to obtain money by false
    pretenses, representations or promises” as “an intent to deceive or cheat someone.” (Vol.
    I at 65.) It did not, however, define the term “knowingly.” Grose argues that, absent his
    proposed language or a definition of the term “knowingly,” the jury was inadequately
    instructed on his theory of defense.
    “We review instructions as a whole to determine whether they accurately informed
    the jury of the governing law” and review the district court’s “refusal to give a requested
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    instruction under this standard for an abuse of discretion.” United States v. Bowling, 
    619 F.3d 1175
    , 1183-84 (10th Cir. 2010). “While a defendant is entitled to an instruction on
    his theory of defense where some evidence and the law supports the theory,” “a theory of
    defense instruction is required only if, without the instruction, the district court’s
    instructions were erroneous or inadequate.” 
    Id.
     (quotations omitted). “[S]uch an
    instruction is not required if it would simply give the jury a clearer understanding of the
    issues.” 
    Id. at 1184
     (quotations omitted).
    A specific good faith instruction is justified when a defendant has presented
    evidence capable of rebutting “all evidence of false and misleading conduct, all failures
    to disclose that which should have been disclosed and all matters that deceive and were
    intended to deceive another.” United States v. Chavis, 
    461 F.3d 1201
    , 1209 (10th Cir.
    2006) (quotations omitted). But “a separate good faith instruction is no[t] necessary
    where a district court properly instructs the jury on the element of intent, because a
    finding of the intent to defraud necessarily implies that there was no good faith.”
    Bowling, 
    619 F.3d at 1183
     (quotations and citation omitted).
    Grose claims he presented “some” evidence to warrant his proposed instruction.
    The district court disagreed. While we see no problem with the court’s conclusion, we
    need not address Grose’s evidence, or lack thereof. Even if Grose had presented
    sufficient evidence to show some support for his defense theory, the instructions given
    were adequate to fully inform the jury of the elements of the charges and the necessity of
    finding a lack of good faith in order to convict.
    The instructions here made it quite clear that the jury must find, beyond a
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    reasonable doubt, that the government proved Grose “knowingly devised or intended to
    devise a scheme” “to deceive or cheat someone.” (Vol. I at 64-65.) If the jury believed
    Grose was only acting at Cash’s direction – and he believed it was appropriate to use the
    company’s funds in this manner – then, under the court’s instructions, it could not find he
    had the intent to defraud.
    Grose maintains the court’s failure to define the term “knowingly” left the jury
    unaware that the act must be intentional and not due to mistake or accident. He further
    argues the jury should have heard from the court that if he mistakenly believed Cash had
    the authority to direct him to take the actions at issue, he must be exonerated. This
    argument is without merit. There was no evidence before the jury that Grose, an
    experienced CFO of publicly traded companies, misunderstood the prohibition against
    Cash’s receipt of Quest’s resources for his personal use. And the instructions clearly
    state Grose must have acted with specific intent to defraud which, by its very nature,
    cannot be a mistake. The district court completely and adequately instructed the jury on
    Grose’s theory of defense.
    2.     Hypothetical Questions Posed to Character Witness
    The government called Roger Brooks, Reliable’s owner, to testify regarding the
    wire transactions on June 30 and July 1, 2008. During cross-examination, defense
    counsel asked Brooks about his opinion of Grose’s character. Brooks replied he
    considered Grose to be “an honest gentleman” and he “would do business” with him.
    (Vol. III at 265-66.) On redirect, the government asked Brooks four questions relating to
    his opinion. First, Brooks was asked if he was aware that the Securities and Exchange
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    Commission had charged Grose with defrauding Quest shareholders. Brooks answered
    he was not aware of the charges and he would need to know the facts to determine
    whether his opinion of Grose would change. Brooks was then asked, “Would your
    opinion change if you found out that the defendant wired a million dollars out of Quest
    without the knowledge or permission of the board of directors?” (Id. at 277.) Defense
    counsel objected but the court allowed the question, instructing the jury it was subject to
    the government’s ability to prove the premise for the question. Brooks answered, if that
    was true, it would “very likely” change his opinion. (Id.) The government asked two
    more questions:
    Would your opinion of the defendant change if you found out that he set up
    that million dollar wire so it looked like he was trying to wire money to pay
    for an order of pipe when in fact he was sending the money to another
    company?
    ....
    Would your opinion of the defendant change if you found out that he tried
    to get one of his employees to lie about the million dollar wire?
    (Id. at 278.) Counsel did not object to these questions and Brooks’ answers were
    equivocal. Grose contends it was prejudicial error to permit the government to propound
    questions which assumed, as a fact, that he was guilty of the very offenses for which he
    was then on trial.
    “We review the district court’s decision to allow cross-examination questions of
    character witnesses for abuse of discretion.” United States v. Parker, 
    553 F.3d 1309
    ,
    1320 (10th Cir. 2009). However, because Grose failed to object to three of the four
    questions he claims were error, we review those questions for plain error. See Fed. R.
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    Crim. P. 52(b). Under plain error review, we reversed only if “there is (1) error, (2) that is
    plain, which (3) affects substantial rights, and which (4) seriously affects the fairness,
    integrity, or public reputation of judicial proceedings.” United States v. Randall, 
    661 F.3d 1291
    , 1296 (10th Cir. 2011) (quotations omitted). The propriety of “character
    evidence depend[s] on numerous and subtle considerations difficult to detect or appraise
    from a cold record, and therefore rarely and only on clear showing of prejudicial abuse of
    discretion will [we] disturb rulings of trial courts on this subject.” Parker, 
    553 F.3d at 1320
     (quoting Michelson v. United States, 
    335 U.S. 469
    , 480 (1948)).
    Under Rule 405 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, a defendant may elicit
    testimony of his good character, if relevant, and the prosecution may conduct limited
    cross-examination. Grose relies on United States v. Polsinelli, where we held the
    admission of a hypothetical question assuming the guilt of the defendant during the cross
    examination of two character witnesses was reversible error. 
    649 F.2d 793
    , 797-98 (10th
    Cir. 1981). The government argues Grose’s reliance on Polsinelli is misplaced because
    the question here requested a personal opinion of his character, whereas Polsinelli
    involved questions as to the defendant’s reputation in the community. According to the
    government, our holding in United States v. Parker governs. 
    553 F.3d 1309
     (10th Cir.
    2009).
    In Polsinelli, the defendant was charged with two counts of distributing an ounce
    of cocaine. See 
    649 F.2d at 794
    . The prosecutor asked the defendant’s character
    witnesses whether their estimation of the defendant’s reputation in the community would
    change if they became aware that Polsinelli had, on at least two occasions, distributed
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    ounce quantities of cocaine. 
    Id. at 794-95
    . We distinguished two different types of
    character testimony – (1) testimony as to the defendant’s reputation in the community or
    (2) the witness’s personal opinion of the defendant’s character. 
    Id. at 796
    . Because the
    prosecutor’s question asked the witness to speculate on how the defendant’s reputation in
    the community would change if his guilt were assumed, we concluded the district court
    erred in allowing these questions. 
    Id. at 797
    .
    Generally, if the witness is testifying regarding the defendant’s reputation in the
    community, hypothetical questions assuming the guilt of the defendant are not permitted
    for two reasons. First, the witness is speaking to the community’s assessment of the
    defendant. Therefore, a question asking if knowledge of certain facts would change that
    reputation calls for speculation rather than personal knowledge. 
    Id.
     at 796 (citing with
    approval United States v. Candelaria-Gonzalez, 
    547 F.2d 291
    , 294 (5th Cir. 1977)
    (“[T]he questions posed sought speculative responses resting upon an assumption of
    guilt.”)). Second, hypothetical questions assuming guilt “str[ike] at the very heart of the
    presumption of innocence which is fundamental to Anglo-Saxon concepts of fair trial.”
    Id. at 796 (citation omitted). “[A]s in all criminal cases, the accused [is] presumed to be
    innocent, and this presumption attend[s] him throughout the trial, as a matter of evidence,
    or until overcome by evidence sufficient to satisfy the jury of his guilt beyond a
    reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.” Id. at 797 (quoting Chiles v. State, 
    159 So. 700
    , 702 (Ala. Ct. App. 1935)). “Since character evidence is admitted only as bearing
    upon guilt or innocence, an opinion based upon the assumption that the defendant is
    guilty cannot have any probative value in deciding that issue.” 
    Id. at 797
     (quoting with
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    favor United States v. Morgan, 
    554 F.2d 31
    , 34 (2nd Cir. 1977) (Mansfield, J.,
    concurring)).
    In contrast, in Parker we considered “questions of the ‘have you heard’ variety” as
    they relate to a witness’s personal opinion of the defendant’s character. 
    553 F.3d at 1320
    .
    Parker was charged with a scheme to sell defective aircraft parts. He conceded he sold
    the parts, but claimed he had no knowledge of the defects and therefore lacked the
    requisite intent. 
    Id. at 1313
    . At trial, he sponsored a personal-opinion character witness.
    
    Id. at 1320
    . Over the defendant’s objection, the government asked whether the witness’s
    opinion would change “if [he] found out [the defendant] had been selling aircraft engines
    . . . that were unairworthy” or if that, after learning the parts were “bad[,] . . . [the
    defendant] did not then go ahead and contact the other purchasers of the engines to warn
    them that they might have a defective engine?” 
    Id.
     We affirmed the district court’s
    ruling, even though the line of questioning related to the same bad acts at issue in the
    case. See 
    id. at 1319-21, 1326
    .
    We explained “questions of the ‘have you heard’ variety [are allowed] when a
    character witness testifies about [his or her] personal opinion of the defendant’s
    character, as opposed to offering testimony limited to defendant’s general reputation in
    the community.” 
    Id.
     at 1320 (citing Polsinelli, 
    649 F.2d at 795-96
    ). For example, “[t]he
    prosecution may ask a personal opinion witness whether he or she ‘has heard’ the
    defendant had been sued for fraud and whether that information ‘would have affected
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    your opinion’ of good character.” 5 
    Id.
     Since the questions did not presume conviction,
    they were proper.
    The first two questions propounded to the witness here were nearly identical to
    those in Parker.6 As in Parker, the facts on which the questions were premised were
    uncontroverted or had been admitted in Grose’s counsel’s opening argument. (Vol. III at
    95-96, 100-01) It was Grose’s intent which was at issue – whether Cash told him to
    make the initial payment to Reliable, cancel it and send it to Hydrogen or whether he did
    it on his own. Because the questions did not assume intent, guilt was not assumed. Id. at
    1320; see also United States v. Wilson, 
    983 F.2d 221
    , 224 (11th Cir. 1993) (“Wilson
    already had admitted during his time on the stand: he sold credit card numbers to an
    undercover Secret Service agent. Wilson had denied any fraudulent intent. The
    questions attributed no intent to him.”).
    The third question, however, at the least teeters on the edge of propriety (“[Grose]
    he set up that million dollar wire so it looked like . . .”); the opening statement did not
    admit Grose planned the change in the wire transfer from Reliable to Hydrogen. And the
    prosecutor’s fourth question – assuming Grose told another employee to lie about the
    5
    The government also cites to the one circuit, the District of Columbia, which has
    held guilt-assuming hypotheticals may be permissible where the witness gives a personal
    opinion of the defendant’s character. See United States v. White, 
    887 F.2d 267
    , 274-75
    (D.C. Cir. 1989). We did not go so far in Parker and do not do so here.
    6
    In Polsinelli,we carefully explained we “d[id] not intend to imply that such
    cross-examination would have been proper had the character witnesses expressed their
    personal opinion of Polsinelli’s character. Resolution of that particular matter must await
    a different fact situation.” 
    649 F.2d at 799
    . Parker neither expanded nor constrained our
    decision in Polsinelli.
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    transfer – clearly went beyond any facts admitted in defense counsel’s opening statement.
    These questions could fairly be characterized as assuming Grose’s intent to commit wire
    fraud. However, Grose makes no effort to show plain error.7
    Even assuming Grose could meet the first and second prongs of plain error, see
    United States v. Thornburgh, 
    645 F.3d 1197
    , 1209 (10th Cir.), cert. denied, 
    132 S. Ct. 214
     (2011) (“error cannot be plain, in view of the widely differing interpretations”), he
    has not alleged or argued that any error by the district court affected his substantial rights.
    “For an error to have affected substantial rights, ‘the error must have been prejudicial: It
    must have affected the outcome of the district court proceedings.’ ” United States v.
    Trujillo-Terrazas, 
    405 F.3d 814
    , 819 (10th Cir.2005) (quoting United States v. Olano,
    
    507 U.S. 725
    , 734, 
    113 S.Ct. 1770
    , 
    123 L.Ed.2d 508
     (1993)). It is Grose’s burden to
    show his substantial rights have been prejudiced, 
    id.,
     and we will not supply his argument
    for him. See United States v. Romano, 
    491 F.3d 1173
    , 1179 (10th Cir. 2007); see also
    Salehpoor v. Shahinpoor, 
    358 F.3d 782
    , 785 (10th Cir. 2004) (holding that “[w]e will not
    manufacture a party's argument on appeal when it has failed in its burden to draw our
    attention to the error below.”). Grose’s claim that the court reversibly erred in admitting
    7
    Instead, Grose claims he was excused from objecting because it would have been
    futile. “The “futility” exception applies when “the district court is aware of the party’s
    position and it is plain that further objection would be futile, where [the] litigant’s
    position [was] clearly made to the district court.” Abuan v. Level 3 Commc’ns, 
    353 F.3d 1158
    , 1172 (10th Cir. 2003) (quotations omitted). “[T]he rule has application in any
    context where it is absolutely clear an objection would have been futile.” United States v.
    Algarate-Valencia, 
    550 F.3d 1238
    , 1243 (10th Cir. 2008). As discussed above, the one
    question Grose objected to was not improper. Therefore, to say further objection to an
    improper question would have met the same fate rests entirely on speculation. Grose was
    not excused from further objection.
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    the prosecutor’s question must fail.
    B.     Sentencing
    As to sentencing, Grose claims the district court erred in calculating the guidelines
    range when it: (1) included the $10 million transfers to Cash and Grose’s receipt of
    kickbacks as relevant conduct; (2) calculated the number of victims; (3) applied an
    enhancement for obstruction of justice; and (4) refused to consider the results of a
    polygraph examination submitted by Grose in his allocution. He further challenges the
    $1 million forfeiture order.
    We review sentences for reasonableness, as informed by the 
    18 U.S.C. § 3553
    (a)
    sentencing factors. See, e.g., United States v. Munoz–Tello, 
    531 F.3d 1174
    , 1181 (10th
    Cir. 2008). “Reasonableness review has a procedural and substantive component.”
    United States v. Martinez, 
    610 F.3d 1216
    , 1223 (10th Cir.), cert. denied, 
    131 S. Ct. 543
    (2010). Procedural reasonableness focuses on whether the district court erred in
    “calculating or explaining the sentence.” United States v. Friedman, 
    554 F.3d 1301
    ,
    1307 (10th Cir. 2009). Substantive reasonableness focuses on whether the length of the
    sentence is reasonable in light of the factors contained in 
    18 U.S.C. § 3553
    (a). 
    Id.
    “When evaluating the district court’s interpretation and application of the Sentencing
    Guidelines, we review legal questions de novo and factual findings for clear error, giving
    due deference to the district court’s application of the [G]uidelines to the facts.” Munoz-
    Tello, 
    531 F.3d at 1181
     (internal quotation marks omitted). In other words, “[w]e review
    the district court’s factual finding supporting a determination of relevant conduct for clear
    error but review the ultimate determination of relevant conduct de novo.” United States
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    v. Caldwell, 
    585 F.3d 1347
    , 1349–50 (10th Cir. 2009) (quotation omitted). Grose
    challenges both the procedural and substantive reasonableness of his sentence.
    1.     Procedural Reasonableness
    Grose maintains the district court procedurally erred in numerous ways when
    calculating his guideline sentence because his offense of conviction was a $1 million wire
    fraud and no other conduct was relevant to this offense or proved by the government. See
    Gall v. United States, 
    552 U.S. 38
     (2007) (describing procedural errors “such as failing to
    calculate (or improperly calculating) the Guidelines range” and “selecting a sentence
    based on clearly erroneous facts”). He argues Cash’s crimes (with the resulting number
    of victims and loss to shareholders) were not sufficiently connected to the wire fraud to
    constitute relevant conduct and, further, the evidence at sentencing was insufficient to
    establish his knowledge that the transfers to Cash were unauthorized. In a similar vein,
    he claims the court erroneously included the kickbacks as relevant conduct and the
    government did not establish his receipt of this money was a crime. He contends the
    enhancement for obstruction of justice was also error. Finally, he says the court
    reversibly erred in failing to consider the results of the polygraph exam at his sentencing
    allocution.
    Cash’s Embezzlement and Loss to 250 Shareholders
    Under USSG §3D1.2(d), the $10 million transfer to Cash, had Grose been
    convicted of that crime, would have been grouped with his conviction for the $1 million
    wire fraud for sentencing purposes. Therefore, the transfer to Cash is relevant conduct if
    it was “part of the same course of conduct or common scheme or plan as the offense of
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    conviction . . . .” See USSG §1B1.3(a)(2). A “‘[c]ommon scheme or plan’ and same
    ‘course of conduct’ are two closely related concepts.” USSG §1B1.3, comment. (n.9).
    “For two or more offenses to constitute part of a common scheme or plan, they must be
    substantially connected to each other by at least one common factor, such as common
    victims, common accomplices, common purpose or similar modus operandi.” Id. at
    (n.9(A)).
    The district court determined the $10 million transfer was relevant conduct:
    Mr. Grose was Quest’s chief financial officer charged with protecting
    Quest’s financial assets and assuring Quest’s financial integrity. He was
    also Quest’s compliance officer charged with enforcing Quest’s corporate
    code of ethics, and by implication, at least, with the obligation to conduct
    himself as an exemplar of ethical conduct as an officer and employee of
    publicly traded companies . . . .
    (Vol. IV at 558-59.) The court noted the overlapping time period, the common victims
    and the common purpose of Grose’s conduct and concluded all the events constituted a
    common scheme or plan.
    Grose claims “Cash’s ‘loans’ from Quest that he put to personal use were
    completely unrelated to Mr. Grose’s offenses of conviction.” (Appellant Br. at 38.) He
    notes the district court did not allow evidence of the $10 million embezzlement during
    trial because it was inadmissible under Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b) and, if it had
    actually been “part of a single criminal episode” it would not have been subject to Rule
    404(b).” United States v. Irving, 
    665 F.3d 1184
     (10th Cir. 2011) (quotations omitted).
    But Grose misapplies the court’s trial ruling. Whether Grose’s scheme with Cash was
    intrinsic to his unauthorized transfer to Hydrogen – the question of admissibility at trial –
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    is not the question at sentencing.
    In defining “same course of conduct” under USSG §1B1.3(a)(2):
    The term looks to whether the defendant repeats the same type of criminal
    activity over time. It does not require that acts be connected together by
    common participants or by an overall scheme. It focuses instead on
    whether defendant has engaged in an identifiable behavior pattern of
    specified criminal activity.
    United States v. Hamilton, 
    587 F.3d 1199
    , 1221 (10th Cir. 2009) (quotations omitted).
    Grose argues the only commonality between Cash’s “loans” and Grose’s transfer
    of funds to Hydrogen is that he processed wire transfers from Quest funds while
    employed by Quest. In addition, because the temporal proximity of his actions covers
    such a broad time span, it has no legal significance. We disagree.
    Grose’s choice to defraud his employer during his entire tenure with Quest is
    highly significant in determining his sentence. During that time the victim, Quest and its
    shareholders, remained the same. Grose used his access and control of company finances
    to carry out both schemes and attempted to conceal his series of frauds by the same
    method. The court did not err in determining relevant conduct.
    Grose’s sole attack on the inclusion of the $73 million fall in Quest’s stock price is
    that the stock crash was attributable only to Cash, and not Grose. Significantly, he has
    not contested the method used to calculate the stock loss, or whether it was a “reasonably
    foreseeable” result of Cash’s embezzlement. See § 2B1.1 cmt. 3(A)(i). His attack on the
    number of victims enhancement is similarly limited. But the law is clear that “actual
    loss” encompasses losses from the defendant’s crimes as well as any relevant conduct,
    see United States v. Griffith, 
    584 F.3d 1004
    , 1011 (10th Cir. 2009), and that anyone who
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    suffers any “actual loss” is a victim, see § 2B1.1 cmt. 1. Thus, given Grose’s limited
    challenge to these enhancements and our conclusion that Grose’s involvement in Cash’s
    fraud qualifies as “relevant conduct,” we see no basis for overturning the district court’s
    imposition of those enhancements.
    In the alternative, Grose contends there was insufficient evidence to establish he
    knew that the transfers to Cash were unauthorized. He argues the evidence showed
    Cash’s assistant and the Quest assistant controller were also aware of the transfers; the
    capital swap had been audited each quarter; he received no personal gain from the
    transfers; and Grose believed Cash’s assurances he had cleared the arrangement with the
    Board. Grose acknowledges Cash’s testimony at sentencing that the transfers were
    Grose’s idea and, without Grose’s involvement, the fraud could not be completed.
    However, he insists Cash’s testimony was inherently unreliable and, without more, there
    was no evidence Grose knew more than any other employee.
    It is not our place to second-guess the reliability of Cash’s testimony. See United
    States v. Hanson, 
    543 F.3d 1315
    ,1319 (10th Cir. 2008) (quotations omitted) (“The
    sentencing court has discretion to make credibility determinations for sentencing
    purposes and we decline to review the credibility of a witness’ testimony on appeal.”).
    The district court obviously believed Cash’s version of Grose’s involvement. The record
    sufficiently supports the court’s conclusion that the $10 million loss to Quest and the
    resulting drop in the value of Quest’s stock immediately after the public was informed of
    the fraud was caused in large part by Grose’s relevant conduct.
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    Kickbacks
    Grose also claims the district court erred in concluding his receipt of kickbacks
    was relevant conduct. He also argues the government never alleged or offered evidence
    that this activity was a criminal violation. Rather, the government characterized this
    activity as a violation of Quest’s ethical code. This argument deserves short shrift. There
    was more than sufficient evidence establishing a violation of the federal law prohibiting
    the breach of a fiduciary duty through bribes or kickbacks, done with the intent to
    defraud, and involving interstate wires. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 1346
    ; Skilling v. United States,
    
    130 S. Ct. 2896
    , 2933 (2010) (“Interpreted to encompass only bribery and kickback
    schemes, § 1346 is not unconstitutionally vague.”). The record shows Grose took
    kickbacks, he did so with intent to defraud, and Quest’s interactions with the equipment
    supplier routinely involved the use of interstate wires. And, as discussed above, the
    receipt of kickbacks was just another part of Grose’s ongoing betrayals of his fiduciary
    duty to Quest and its shareholders.
    Obstruction of Justice Enhancement
    Grose claims the district court erred in imposing an obstruction of justice
    enhancement under USSG §3C1.1. That section provides:
    If (A) the defendant willfully obstructed or impeded, or attempted to
    obstruct or impede, the administration of justice with respect to the
    investigation, prosecution, or sentencing of the instant offense of
    conviction, and (B) the obstructive conduct related to (i) the defendant’s
    offense of conviction and any relevant conduct; or (ii) a closely related
    offense, increase the offense level by 2 levels. (emphasis added).
    He argues that any false statements he may have made to the SEC during its investigation
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    of Cash’s misconduct were not part of the investigation of the $1 million
    misappropriation for which he was convicted. Rather, at the time he made his statements
    to the SEC, the $1 million transaction had not yet been discovered. Thus, his false
    statements were not made to obstruct the investigation of his offense of conviction. This
    guideline, however, is not construed so strictly. “U.S.S.G. § 3C1.1 applies not only to the
    defendant’s obstructive conduct involving his offense of conviction, but also to any of his
    obstructive conduct involving cases that are closely related to the defendant’s case.”
    United States v. Mollner, 
    643 F.3d 713
    , 716 (10th Cir. 2011).
    Even if we were to adopt Grose’s reading of this section, his argument still fails.
    The district court found, in relevant part:
    Mr. Grose made several materially false statements to the SEC in his
    interview on September 29, 2008 . . . . Ignoring other statements that were
    likely false, but might be debatable on the basis of the record now before
    the Court, I find that Mr. Grose made a false statement to the SEC when he
    told the SEC, in substance, that the company he had formed with Mr.
    Mueller was not yet active and was looking for future opportunities. At
    that point, the $1 million misappropriation had not been discovered and Mr.
    Grose wanted it to stay that way.
    (Vol. IV at 584.) As noted in the guideline commentary, “[o]bstructive conduct that
    occurred prior to the start of the investigation of the instant offense of conviction may be
    covered by this guideline if the conduct was purposefully calculated, and likely, to thwart
    the investigation or prosecution of the offense of conviction.” USSG §3C1.1 comment.
    (n.1).
    The district court determined Grose’s false statements were calculated to avoid the
    discovery of his $1 million misappropriation. This finding is fully supported by the
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    record. The court did not err in applying the enhancement.
    Allocution
    Sentencing occurred in two phases. First, an evidentiary hearing was held for both
    Cash and Grose. One week later, each defendant was sentenced individually. Just prior
    to second stage in Grose’s sentencing, defense counsel announced:
    Your honor, as I previously advised the Court last week, on Tuesday,
    [Grose] went down to Houston, Texas, and met with his appellate counsel
    down there to discuss matters and it was decided by counsel that he should
    obtain a polygraph examination, which he took on November 24, relating to
    the facts of the case and certain relevant conduct in this case.
    I have in my hand a report of that examination, which he passed the
    examination, and I was asked by appellate counsel to offer this as an exhibit
    for sentencing purposes and any other purpose that might be – it might be
    used for in this regard, to include appellate purposes.
    (Vol. IV at 543.) Counsel offered the exhibit into evidence. The government objected
    because it: (1) attacked the jury’s verdict; (2) it was offered well beyond the time set by
    the court for taking evidence; and (3) the guidelines require evidence be deemed reliable
    before considering it at sentencing and there was no showing of reliability. The court
    determined the exhibit would be excluded “for all purposes” for the reasons stated by the
    government. (Id. at 545.) Grose made no objection. Grose now claims the district
    court’s refusal to consider the polygraph violates his right to allocution.8
    8
    Although we have not officially announced our standard of review when
    considering an allocution challenge, our cases imply we will review such a challenge de
    novo. See United States v. Landeros-Lopez, 
    615 F.3d 1260
    , 1264 n.4 (10th Cir. 2010).
    However, we recently held “that a defendant who fails to object to the district court’s
    procedures regarding the right of allocution must demonstrate plain error to warrant
    reversal on appeal.” United States v. Rausch, 
    638 F.3d 1296
    , 1300 n.1 (10th Cir. 2011).
    Grose argues this standard should not apply to him because his sentencing occurred
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    Rule 32(i)(4)(A) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure requires the district
    court, before imposing sentence, to:
    (i) provide the defendant’s attorney an opportunity to speak on the
    defendant's behalf;
    (ii) address the defendant personally in order to permit the defendant to
    speak or present any information to mitigate the sentence; and
    (iii) provide an attorney for the government an opportunity to speak
    equivalent to that of the defendant’s attorney.
    The court complied with the rule. As Grose acknowledges, his attorney read his detailed
    statement into the record. The court also directly asked Grose if he wanted to say
    anything else on the record before he was sentenced. Grose declined.
    Relying on United States v. Jarvi, 
    537 F.3d 1256
     (10th Cir. 2008), Grose claims
    the court denied him his right to speak when it refused to consider the polygraph report.
    In Jarvi, the defendant filed pro se objections at sentencing to the quantity of drugs
    applied in calculating his sentence. 
    537 F.3d at 1259
    . The district court refused to
    consider them, even though it had not previously ruled on his argument, because Jarvi
    was represented by counsel. 
    Id.
     We remanded for resentencing stating, “when it comes
    to allocution, the defendant has a broad right to present any information to mitigate the
    sentence . . ., and that right is not forfeited by the defendant’s unjustified attempt to
    present the information earlier in a different form.” 
    Id. at 1262
    .
    We distinguished our precedent found in United States v. Muniz, 
    1 F.3d 1018
    before Rausch and Rausch can be distinguished as it concerned allocution in a revocation
    proceeding rather than an original sentencing. We need not decide whether Grose’s
    failure to object requires a plain error analysis because we see no error under any
    standard.
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    (10th Cir. 1993). Jarvie, 
    537 F.3d at 1267
    . In Muniz, we held the right of allocution was
    not violated when the court told the defendant at sentencing not to reargue a Sixth
    Amendment speedy trial issue that had already been extensively litigated. Muniz, 
    1 F.3d at 1025
     (“The judge did not unfairly prevent Muniz from speaking because the judge
    does not have to let the defendant re-argue the case at sentencing.”). We concluded
    Muniz was inapplicable for two reasons: (1) Jarvi was not “making arguments about
    supposed violations of his rights at trial,” and (2) he was not attempting to “re-argu[e]
    claims that had already been raised and ruled on.” Jarvi, 
    537 F.3d at 1262
    .
    We find Grose’s situation indistinguishable from that of the defendant in Muniz.
    The polygraph examiner’s report described the “examination criteria” as follows:
    The following relevant questions were asked of the subject. The subject’s
    verbal response follows each question in quotation marks.
    1.       DID YOU DIRECT RELIABLE PIPE TO SEND THE MONEY TO THE
    HYDROGEN COMPANY WITHOUT JERRY CASH’S
    AUTHORIZATION? “NO”
    2.       DID YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAID JERRY CASH DIRECTED YOU TO
    INVEST THE MONEY ON BEHALF OF QUEST? “NO”
    3.       DID YOU USE QUESTS [sic] MONEY FOR A PERSONAL
    INVESTMENT? “NO”
    (Vol. I at 349-50.) The examiner reported: “After careful examination of the subject’s
    polygrams, it is my professional opinion that there were No Deceptive Criteria present.
    The subject is considered to be truthful as the listed relevant questions were answered.”
    (Id. at 350.)
    The polygraph report is, quite simply, an attempt to refute the jury’s verdict. The
    court did not err in refusing to consider these statements. Moreover, the polygraph report
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    duplicated Grose’s written statement.9 The only difference was the polygraph examiner’s
    imprimatur that Grose’s answers were considered to be truthful. Because the issues
    addressed by the examiner had already been argued at trial and rejected by the jury, the
    court did not err in refusing to consider this evidence.
    Grose argues the polygraph report also affected the court’s evaluation of Cash’s
    credibility in respect to Grose’s involvement in the $10 million transaction. But the
    questions posed by the polygraph examiner did not address that transaction. The court
    did not err in refusing to consider this information to establish Grose’s credibility.10
    2.     Substantive Reasonableness
    Grose claims the sixteen-year term of imprisonment is substantively unreasonable
    given Grose’s formerly unblemished history as a financial officer and Cash’s nine-year
    sentence. “A sentence is substantively unreasonable if the length of the sentence is
    unreasonable given the totality of the circumstances in light of the 
    18 U.S.C. § 3553
    (a)
    factors.” United States v. Haley, 
    529 F.3d 1308
    , 1311 (10th Cir. 2008). We apply an
    9
    Grose had his attorney read a statement denying any wrongdoing and claiming
    he believed Cash was using the $10 million on behalf of Quest and he had transferred the
    $1 million at Cash’s request believing it to be a Quest investment. He claimed Cash and
    Mueller lied during their testimony to remove the blame from themselves.
    10
    Further, Grose made no attempt to establish the reliability of the polygraph.
    See USSG §6A1.3(a) (A sentencing court “may consider relevant information without
    regard to its admissibility under the rules of evidence applicable at trial, provided that the
    information has sufficient indicia of reliability to support its probable accuracy.”)
    (emphasis added). He offered only the unadorned report. Although the document
    contains the examiner’s state license number, there is no other information as to the
    circumstances under which the test was given or whether the three questions contained in
    the report were the entirety of the examination. In other words, the court was not
    provided any indicia of the test’s reliability.
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    abuse-of-discretion standard where we will affirm the sentence unless it “is arbitrary,
    capricious, whimsical, or manifestly unreasonable.” United States v. Steele, 
    603 F.3d 803
    , 809 (10th Cir. 2010). “[D]isparate sentences are allowed where the disparity is
    explicable by the facts on the record.” Haley, 
    529 F.3d at 1312
     (quotations omitted).
    Grose’s offenses were subject to a statutory maximum of 60 years. Mindful of the
    Congressional intent behind the policies for sentencing fraud on a public company, the
    district court nonetheless determined Grose was entitled to a “significant downward
    variance.” (R. Vol. IV at 609.) However, the court determined there was a need for a
    substantial term of incarceration:
    Mr. Grose, your career as a financial executive or at least as a trusted
    employee with finance-related responsibilities goes back 30 years or more.
    When you came to Quest, you were not a neophyte with respect to the
    obligations of a chief financial officer in general or with respect to the
    importance of compliance with securities laws and audit requirements.
    As to these matters, Jerry Cash had some plausible claim to naivety,
    although he clearly knew that his misappropriation of $10 million was
    wrong.
    You have no such claim to naivety. You do have a plausible argument that
    you intended to pay back the $1 million that you and Mr. Mueller took.
    And you and Jerry Cash do have at least a semblance of an argument that
    he, Mr. Cash, intended to repay the $10 million that he took with your help,
    however attenuated that possibility might have been as a practical matter.
    But the $850,000 in kickbacks that you took in approximately 80
    transactions is perhaps the most telling aspect of this case. There is no way
    – simply no way that the CFO of a publicly traded company can put a
    presentable face on his receipt of $850,000 in kickbacks.
    During the 34 months that you were taking these kickbacks, you were
    essentially using your position as the chief financial officer of a publicly
    held company to steal with both hands.
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    Whatever your subjective rationale may have been, you have no claim to
    anything other than a purely larcenous intent. Your belated account in this
    courtroom today of your felonious conduct is unbelievable in almost every
    particular and is, to put it mildly, wholly unpersuasive.
    (Vol. IV at 610-11.) After considering the § 3553(a) factors, the court sentenced Grose to
    sixteen years imprisonment.
    Because Cash took total responsibility for his actions and had made significant
    efforts to repay Quest the money he had taken, while Grose continued to deny any
    responsibility for any criminal conduct after his conviction, we find no abuse of
    discretion in the disparity between their sentences (Cash’s nine years as opposed to
    Grose’s sixteen-year imprisonment). Similarly, we find no abuse of discretion in the
    district court’s application of the §3553(a) factors given the facts of this case. Grose’s
    relevant conduct constituted a prolonged series of frauds upon his employer and its
    shareholders. His persistent claim of innocent intent demonstrates an apparent lack of
    remorse. The district court’s sentence is substantively reasonable.
    3.      Forfeiture
    The indictment charging Grose with three counts of wire fraud included forfeiture
    allegations:
    Upon conviction of any of the offenses alleged in Counts 1 through 3 of the
    indictment, defendant shall forfeit to the United States, pursuant to 
    18 U.S.C. § 981
    (a)(1)(C) and 
    28 U.S.C. § 2461
    (c), any property constituting or
    derived from proceeds traceable to said offenses, including, but not limited
    to, a sum of money equal to $1,000,000.00, representing the amount of cash
    proceeds obtained as a result of the offenses.
    (Vol. I at 18.) Following Grose’s conviction, the government moved for a preliminary
    order of forfeiture for a $1 million personal money judgment. Grose objected for three
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    reasons: (1) improper notice of sufficient grounds for forfeiture; (2) violation of his right
    to have a jury decide forfeiture issues under Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2 and United States v.
    Booker, 
    543 U.S. 220
     (2005); and (3) insufficient evidence. The district court rejected
    Grose’s objections and entered a preliminary order for a $1 million personal money
    judgment against Grose.
    On appeal, Grose renews his claim that the district court reversibly erred by not
    asking—before the jury began deliberations— hether Grose wanted the jury to determine
    forfeiture. He also raises a new argument, asserting there were no “proceeds” to forfeit
    because he did not “obtain directly or indirectly any money or other property to forfeit.”
    (Appellant’s Br. at 54-55.)
    Standard of Review
    As an initial matter, the parties disagree on the standard of review. The
    government argues we must apply plain error review because Grose did not object or
    raise the jury issue prior to the jury’s release. Grose counters that our review should be
    de novo because it was the court’s obligation to ask whether he wanted a jury to consider
    the issue.11 Grose is incorrect.
    11
    Grose cites to only one federal case from the Ninth Circuit which declined to
    apply a plain error standard in the absence of a contemporaneous objection when the
    omitted action was the court’s responsibility. In United States v. Erskine, the defendant
    claimed that he was not given adequate advice from the court on his request for self-
    representation. 
    355 F.3d 1161
     (9th Cir. 2004). Although the defendant did not object at
    the time the advice was given, the appellate court declined to apply a plain error standard,
    reasoning:
    [W]e do not expect pro se defendants to know the perils of self-
    representation, and consequently, we cannot expect defendants to recognize
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    The court’s obligation to perform a task does not, alone, excuse an attorney from
    making a proper objection when the court fails in its performance. See United States v.
    Vonn, 
    535 U.S. 55
    , 73 (2002) (“[T]he plain-error rule . . . requires defense counsel to be
    on his toes” even though the judge must act as well, “and the defendant who just sits
    there when a mistake can be fixed cannot . . . [complain] later on.”); United States v.
    Rausch, 
    638 F.3d 1296
    , 1300 n.1 (10th Cir. 2011) (“[A] defendant who fails to object to
    the district court’s procedures regarding the right of allocution must demonstrate plain
    error to warrant reversal on appeal.” (Rule 32.1)); United States v. Cook, 
    550 F.3d 1292
    ,
    1297-98 (10th Cir. 2008) (applying plain error to Rule 32(i)(3)(B) violation).
    However, because we conclude that the district court did not commit error –plain
    or otherwise – in its imposition of the forfeiture order,we do not need to decide whether
    plain error review applies.
    Rule 32.2 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure
    Criminal forfeiture proceedings are governed by Rule 32.2 of the Federal Rules of
    Criminal Procedure. Rule 32.2(b)(1)(A) provides:
    As soon as practical after a verdict or finding of guilty, or after a plea of
    guilty or nolo contendere is accepted, on any count in an indictment or
    information regarding which criminal forfeiture is sought, the court must
    determine what property is subject to forfeiture under the applicable statute.
    If the government seeks forfeiture of specific property, the court must
    determine whether the government has established the requisite nexus
    that they have not been correctly and fully advised, let alone to point out
    the court’s errors. Accordingly, plain error review would be inappropriate
    ....
    Id. at 1166. This case is inapposite to the facts before us. Grose was at all times
    represented by able counsel.
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    between the property and the offense. If the government seeks a personal
    money judgment, the court must determine the amount of money that the
    defendant will be ordered to pay.
    Section (b)(5) states:
    (A) Retaining the Jury. In any case tried before a jury, if the indictment or
    information states that the government is seeking forfeiture, the court must
    determine before the jury begins deliberating whether either party requests
    that the jury be retained to determine the forfeitability of specific property
    if it returns a guilty verdict.
    (B) Special Verdict Form. If a party timely requests to have the jury
    determine forfeiture, the government must submit a proposed Special
    Verdict Form listing each property subject to forfeiture and asking the jury
    to determine whether the government has established the requisite nexus
    between the property and the offense committed by the defendant.
    (Emphasis added.) This version of Rule 32.2 went into effect on December 1, 2009,
    approximately three months before Grose’s trial began. Prior to that time, the obligation
    was on a party to request the jury consider forfeiture.
    Rule 32.2 distinguishes the procedures required for a personal money judgment
    from those required for forfeiture of specific property. United States v. Newman, 
    659 F.3d 1235
    , 1242 (9th Cir. 2011) (citation omitted). Rule 32.2(b)(1)(A) provides the
    government’s request for a personal money judgment, authorizes the court to “determine
    the amount of money that the defendant will be ordered to pay.” (Emphasis added). Only
    if the government seeks forfeiture of specific property does Rule 32.2(b)(5) come into
    play. At that point, the jury may determine forfeitability with a special verdict. Grose
    argues that Rule 32.2(b)(5) should be read to apply to personal money judgments as well,
    but we find no grounding in the language of the statute to support this contention. See
    United States v. Gregoire, 
    638 F.3d 962
    , 972 (8th Cir. 2011) (Rule 32.2(b)(5)(A) “by its
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    plain language applies only to the forfeitability of specific property.”) (quotations
    omitted). The government did not seek forfeiture of any specific property in the
    indictment. The district court was not required to determine if Grose wanted a special
    verdict.
    Proceeds
    In United States v. McGinty, we stated “the district court must order forfeiture of
    any and all proceeds of the offense and any property derived from those proceeds” under
    
    18 U.S.C. § 982
    (a)(2). 
    610 F.3d 1242
    , 1246 (10th Cir. 2010). Grose argues McGinty
    “indicates that there were no proceeds [in this case] because there was no profit to be
    disgorged.” (Appellant’s Reply Br. at 29.) This argument is wholly without merit.
    Grose acknowledges 
    18 U.S.C. § 981
     defines “proceeds” as “property of any kind
    obtained directly or indirectly, as the result of the commission of the offense giving rise
    to forfeiture, and any property traceable thereto, and is not limited to the net gain or profit
    realized from the offense.” Incredibly, he nonetheless claims he received no “gain” from
    his theft of $1 million from Quest, apparently because the company he invested in went
    bankrupt. (Appellant’s Br. at 55.) Grose fails to recognize he was convicted of stealing
    $1 million. Merely because he used the money to make a bad investment did not cause
    the funds to evaporate. As has been succinctly said by other courts, “Congress sought to
    punish equally the thief who carefully saves his stolen loot and the thief who spends the
    loot on wine, women, and song.” Newman, 
    659 F.3d at 1243
     (quotations omitted).
    Grose’s decision to place his gains in an ill-advised investment does not excuse him from
    the forfeiture of $1 million. “The government is entitled to a money judgment against
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    [Grose] for the money he obtained from his criminal activity.” McGinty, 
    610 F.3d at 1246
    .
    IV.     CONCLUSION
    The jury instructions clearly and adequately informed the jury of its obligations.
    There was no plain error in the district court’s discretionary determinations regarding the
    prosecutor’s questions to Grose’s character witness and Grose’s sentence was imposed
    correctly in all respects, including the district court’s order of forfeiture.
    AFFIRMED.
    Entered by the Court:
    Terrence L. O’Brien
    United States Circuit Judge
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