United States v. Larry Douglas McPherson , 587 F. App'x 556 ( 2014 )


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    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
    ________________________
    No. 11-14684
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    D.C. Docket No. 1:10-cr-00132-CG-N-1
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee,
    versus
    LARRY DOUGLAS MCPHERSON,
    Defendant - Appellant.
    ________________________
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Southern District of Alabama
    ________________________
    (September 24, 2014)
    Before ED CARNES, Chief Judge, JORDAN and ROSENBAUM, Circuit Judges.
    PER CURIAM:
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    In August 2010 a federal grand jury returned a superseding indictment
    charging Larry McPherson with one count of using a computer connected to the
    Internet to knowingly attempt to persuade a minor to engage in sexual activity in
    violation of Alabama Code § 13A-6-67(a)(2), in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 2422
    (b)
    (Count 1); one count of attempting to persuade a minor to engage in sexually
    explicit conduct for the purpose of producing a video tape, in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 2251
    (a) (Count 2); and one count of possessing child pornography, in
    violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(5)(B) (Count 3). A jury convicted him of all
    three counts. This is his appeal.
    I.
    The specific conduct giving rise to McPherson’s indictment began in
    December 2009, when McPherson went out to dinner with his daughter, Ashley,
    and her daughter, B.A., who was fifteen years old at the time. At that dinner, while
    Ashley had gone to the restroom, McPherson told B.A. that he was going to put a
    video camera under her bed and that she “knew what kind of pictures he liked,”
    which she took to mean “dirty pictures.” B.A. told her mother about the incident
    after dinner, stating that “[h]e did it again.” 1
    1
    B.A. clarified that when she said that McPherson “did it again,” she was referring to a
    2006 incident involving her grandfather. In that incident, B.A. had been “goofing off” with
    McPherson but became uncomfortable when he began massaging her shoulders and “just kept
    going further and further down [her] chest.” B.A.’s mother testified at trial about the same
    incident, stating that B.A. had told her at the time of the incident that McPherson had unhooked
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    Ashley decided to collect evidence of her father’s behavior toward her
    daughter. She installed a small video camera in B.A.’s bedroom, which recorded
    McPherson entering B.A.’s room the next morning and hiding his video camera
    beneath her bed. She also instructed B.A. to create a new email address to collect
    written evidence of her grandfather’s advances.
    Using that email address, B.A. emailed McPherson in April 2010 to tell him
    that she had fun attending her school prom. McPherson responded to that email
    with a bevy of questions, including the following:               “[D]o you still have my
    camera? Did you record a lot of hot stuff? If you did, tell me about it and I’ll
    come up there and get it. If not, that’s cool, still love you.” B.A. eventually wrote
    back to her grandfather, letting him know that she had not recorded anything.
    Ashley eventually contacted the FBI about her father’s actions. As a result,
    FBI Agent Paul Roche began posing as B.A. in email correspondence with
    McPherson that lasted for several weeks in June 2010. In his first series of emails
    with McPherson, Roche wrote, “I made a video with your camera the other day. I
    have it hid inside my closet. Do you still want me to use it?” In his reply email,
    McPherson responded, “I cannot wait to see the pictures. Did you film you using
    your toothbrush at night in the bathroom? . . . Film some more of your body and
    B.A.’s bra, massaged her back, put his hands underneath her underwear in the back, and licked
    her stomach.
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    how beautiful you are. I want to see you with your toothbrush or using your
    finger. Let me know when you finish. You can hide it outside one night and I will
    come to get it.” In later emails sent in that same exchange, McPherson wrote,
    “When I get to see you, I will teach you how to use your finger correctly to make
    you come. I can teach you more about oral.” He also directed B.A. to “[t]ake full
    view [video], front and back, closeup of [your] VJ with your finger in it.”
    McPherson’s sexually explicit conversations with Agent Roche escalated
    over time. He told Roche in one exchange that the emails from Roche gave him an
    erection, and that just thinking of B.A. “does that to me.” In another email he
    wrote, “Do you know anything about oral sex? That is a lot of fun and feels great.
    I wish we could try that, too. Would you like to come—would you like me to
    come see you? Are you home alone during the week? I can come on Thursday or
    Friday to see your beautiful person.” In one of his final emails before being
    arrested, McPherson wrote, “I very much want to watch video with you. . . . We
    can make more video with us both in it together.”
    Roche eventually arranged for McPherson to meet B.A. When McPherson
    arrived at the prearranged meeting place, FBI agents stopped his car and placed
    him under arrest.      After the arrest, Agent Roche conducted a search of
    McPherson’s home. He recovered two recordable DVDs that were manufactured
    in Taiwan and contained 26 video files. Most of those files depicted B.A. “at a
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    much younger age naked at various points, . . . posing in a bathroom and also
    masturbating.” Some of the videos depicted B.A. masturbating with a toothbrush.
    As mentioned earlier, a federal grand jury charged McPherson in a three-
    count superseding indictment relating to this conduct. At trial, McPherson moved
    for a judgment of acquittal under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 29 on all
    three counts after the government had presented its case. The district court denied
    that motion.
    McPherson also moved for a mistrial based on the district court’s alleged
    denial of his right to a public trial. He based that motion on the fact that the district
    court had prevented his son, Greg McPherson, from attending the trial after the
    government had requested that he be sequestered under Federal Rule of Evidence
    615. The government made that request because both the prosecution and defense
    had listed him as a potential witness. The court denied McPherson’s motion for a
    mistrial. The jury ultimately convicted McPherson on all three counts, and he was
    sentenced to 235 months’ imprisonment.
    II.
    A. Count 1
    Count 1 of the indictment charged McPherson with using a computer
    connected to the Internet to knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, and
    coerce B.A. to engage in sexual activity under circumstances that would violate
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    Alabama Code § 13A-6-67(a)(2).              Section 13A-6-67(a)(2), Alabama’s second-
    degree sexual-abuse statute, makes it a crime for an adult to subject a minor to
    sexual contact when that minor is between the ages of 12 and 16.
    McPherson challenges his conviction on Count 1, asserting that the
    government presented insufficient evidence for the jury to convict on that count.
    He premises his challenge on the contention that a defendant can violate § 13A-6-
    67(a)(2) only through forceful and coercive behavior. McPherson contends that
    proof of forceful or coercive behavior is required because § 13A-6-67(a)(2) makes
    it a crime to “subject[]” a minor to sexual contact, and the plain meaning of the
    verb “to subject” requires evidence of forceful or coercive conduct. He claims that
    the evidence was insufficient because it “show[ed] lust and, at most, invitation to
    sexual conduct,” but it did not show any coercion by McPherson. 2
    2
    Relying on the same argument that he makes in challenging the sufficiency of the
    evidence, McPherson also claims that his indictment was defective. But Count 1 of the
    indictment specifically referred to 18 U.S.C § 2422(b), and it tracked the language of the statute.
    Therefore, it was not defective. See United States v. Pena, 
    684 F.3d 1137
    , 1147 (11th Cir. 2012)
    (“[F]or an indictment to be sufficient, it must: (1) present the essential elements of the charged
    offense; (2) provide the accused notice of the charge he must defend against; and (3) enable the
    accused to rely upon any judgment under the indictment for double jeopardy purposes.”); 
    id.
     (“If
    an indictment specifically refers to the statute on which the charge was based, the reference to
    the statutory language adequately informs the defendant of the charge.”) (quotation marks
    omitted).
    McPherson further contends that the court constructively amended his indictment by
    allowing for conviction based on acts that were not coercive when the court instructed the jury
    that it could convict on Count 1 if it found that McPherson had attempted to persuade, induce,
    entice, or coerce an individual to engage in illegal sexual activity. That argument is also
    meritless. The district court’s instructions to the jury tracked the language of the indictment and
    did not broaden the possible bases for conviction. Accordingly, there was no constructive
    amendment of the indictment. See United States v. Madden, 
    733 F.3d 1314
    , 1318 (11th Cir.
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    Although we usually review de novo challenges to the sufficiency of the
    evidence, McPherson never raised the argument to the district court that he now
    presents on appeal. Our review should therefore be only for plain error. See
    United States v. Straub, 
    508 F.3d 1003
    , 1011 (11th Cir. 2007) (applying plain error
    review to issue that was not raised with specificity in Rule 29 motion).
    Nevertheless, even under de novo review, McPherson’s argument cannot prevail.
    McPherson’s challenge to his conviction on Count 1 is meritless because its
    underlying premise is wrong. It limits the plain meaning of “subjects” without
    explaining why such a narrow construction is appropriate for § 13A-6-67(a)(2).
    Although McPherson is correct that “subjects” means “to bring under control or
    dominion” or “to reduce to subservience or submission,” see Webster’s Third New
    International Dictionary 2275 (1993), he fails to mention that the word’s plain
    meaning also includes “to cause to undergo or experience some action or
    treatment,” Webster’s New World Dictionary 1334 (3d ed. 1991), and to “expose,”
    Random House Unabridged Dictionary 1893 (2d ed. 1993); Webster’s Third New
    International Dictionary 2275 (1993). That plain meaning is consistent with prior
    decisions in our circuit. See Williams v. Bd. of Regents of Univ. Sys. of Ga., 
    477 F.3d 1282
    , 1295–96 (11th Cir. 2007) (observing that the verb “subject” means “to
    2013) (“A constructive amendment occurs when the essential elements of the offense contained
    in the indictment are altered to broaden the possible bases for conviction beyond what is
    contained in the indictment.”) (quotation marks omitted).
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    cause to undergo the action of something specified; expose” or “to make liable or
    vulnerable; lay open; expose”). Most importantly, that plain meaning is also
    consistent with Alabama law. See M.G. v. State Dep’t of Human Res., 
    44 So. 3d 1100
    , 1106 (Ala. Civ. App. 2010) (concluding that mother had “subjected” her
    children to sexual abuse when she allowed a man to continue to living in her home
    after she had witnessed him sexually abusing her children); see also Pettibone v.
    State, 
    91 So. 3d 94
    , 118 (Ala. Crim. App. 2011) (finding sufficient evidence to
    convict defendant of second-degree sexual abuse under § 13A-6-67(a)(2) without
    evidence that defendant had coerced or forced victim to engage in sexual contact).
    McPherson’s narrow definition of “subjects” also conflicts with the Alabama
    statutes criminalizing sexual abuse. For example, an individual commits first-
    degree sexual abuse under Alabama law if he “subjects another person to sexual
    contact by forcible compulsion.” Ala. Code § 13A-6-66. Under McPherson’s
    definition of “subjects,” the “forcible compulsion” element of § 13A-6-66 would
    be superfluous.     Because we interpret statutes in context and disfavor
    interpretations that render statutory language superfluous, we reject McPherson’s
    novel interpretation. See, e.g., Duncan v. Walker, 
    533 U.S. 167
    , 174, 
    121 S.Ct. 2120
    , 2125 (2001) (“It is our duty to give effect, if possible, to every clause and
    word of a statute.”) (quotation marks omitted); Wash. Mkt. Co. v. Hoffman, 
    101 U.S. 112
    , 115–16 (1879) (“[A] statute ought, upon the whole, to be so construed
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    that, if it can be prevented, no clause, sentence, or word shall be superfluous, void,
    or insignificant.”) (quotation marks omitted); In re Rothstein, Rosenfeldt, Adler,
    P.A., 
    717 F.3d 1205
    , 1214 (11th Cir. 2013) (referencing “the time-honored canon
    of construction that we should disfavor interpretations of statutes that render
    language superfluous”) (quotation marks omitted).
    The evidence was more than sufficient to convict McPherson on Count 1,
    and a reasonable juror could have concluded that McPherson attempted to persuade
    his granddaughter, via email, to engage in sexual contact with him. For example,
    the government presented evidence of an email McPherson wrote to Agent Roche,
    who was posing as B.A. In that email McPherson wrote, “Do you know anything
    about oral sex? That is a lot of fun and feels great. I wish we could try that, too.
    Would you like to come—would you like me to come see you? Are you home
    alone during the week?” In light of that email and all the other evidence presented
    by the government, the district court did not err, let alone plainly err, when it
    denied McPherson’s Rule 29 motion on Count 1.
    B. Count 3
    1.
    Count 3 of the indictment charged McPherson with knowingly possessing
    and attempting to possess child pornography that was produced using materials
    that had traveled “in interstate commerce,” in violation of 18 U.S.C.
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    § 2252A(a)(5)(B). McPherson contends that the district court erred in denying his
    Rule 29 motion on Count 3 because the government failed to prove that the
    pornography found in his home had been “mailed, shipped or transported in
    interstate commerce,” as charged in the indictment. We disagree.
    a.
    Our review of the district court’s denial of McPherson’s Rule 29 motion is
    de novo. United States v. Westry, 
    524 F.3d 1198
    , 1210 (11th Cir. 2008). We view
    the evidence in the light most favorable to the government and draw all reasonable
    inferences in favor of the jury’s verdict. 
    Id.
     “It is not our function to make
    credibility choices or to pass upon the weight of the evidence.” United States v.
    Brown, 
    415 F.3d 1257
    , 1270 (11th Cir. 2005) (citation and quotation marks
    omitted). Rather, “we must sustain the verdict where there is a reasonable basis in
    the record for it.” 
    Id.
     (citation and internal quotation marks omitted).
    b.
    McPherson was convicted of violating 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(5)(B). We
    evaluated a prior version of this statute in United States v. Maxwell, 
    446 F.3d 1210
    (11th Cir. 2006). The version of the statute in effect at the time of Maxwell
    provided, in pertinent part,
    Any person who . . . knowingly possesses any . . . film,
    videotape, computer disk, or any other material that
    contains an image of child pornography that has been
    mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
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    commerce by any means, including by computer, or that
    was produced using materials that have been mailed, or
    shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
    commerce by any means . . . shall be punished . . . .
    18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(5)(B) (2006) (emphasis added); 
    446 F.3d at
    1211 n.1. In
    Maxwell, we concluded that, under § 2252A(a)(5)(B) as it was written at that time,
    Congress had “not elected to criminalize possession of all child pornography.” Id.
    at 1218. But, we recognized that, under its Commerce Clause powers 3 and the
    Supreme Court’s holding in Raich, Congress could constitutionally regulate “all
    intrastate possession of child pornography, not just that which has traveled in
    interstate commerce or has been produced using materials that have traveled in
    interstate commerce.” Id. (emphasis in original). This is because “where Congress
    has attempted to regulate (or eliminate) an interstate market, Raich grants Congress
    substantial leeway to regulate purely intrastate activity (whether economic or not)
    that it deems to have the capability, in the aggregate, of frustrating the broader
    regulation of interstate economic activity.” Id. at 1215. And, “Congress, through
    3
    The Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution gives Congress
    the “power to regulate; that is, to prescribe the rule by which commerce is to be
    governed.” United States v. Lopez, 
    514 U.S. 549
    , 533, 
    115 S. Ct. 1624
    , 1627
    (1995) (citation and quotation marks omitted). The Supreme Court has “identified
    three general categories of regulation in which Congress is authorized to engage
    under its commerce power”: Congress can regulate (1) the channels of interstate
    commerce, (2) the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, and persons or things
    in interstate commerce, and (3) activities that substantially affect interstate
    commerce. Gonzales v. Raich, 
    545 U.S. 1
    , 16-17, 
    125 S. Ct. 2195
    , 2205 (2005).
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    its comprehensive regulation, of which 18 U.S.C. § 2252A is a part, has attempted
    to eliminate the entire market for child pornography.” Id. at 1217.
    Significantly, Congress amended 18 U.S.C. § 2252A in 2008 by replacing
    all instances of “in interstate” with “in or affecting interstate” commerce. Effective
    Child Pornography Prosecution Act of 2007, Pub. L. No. 110-358, § 103. As a
    result, the version of § 2252A in effect at the time of the conduct charged in
    McPherson’s Superseding Indictment provided, in pertinent part,
    Any person who . . . knowingly possesses . . . any . . .
    film, videotape, computer disk, or any other material that
    contains an image of child pornography that has been
    mailed, or shipped or transported using any means or
    facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or
    affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, .
    . . or that was produced using materials that have been
    mailed, or shipped or transported in or affecting
    interstate or foreign commerce by any means . . . shall
    be punished . . . .
    18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(5)(B) (2009) (emphasis added). 4 “That phrase—‘affecting
    commerce’—normally signals Congress’[s] intent to exercise its Commerce Clause
    powers to the full.” Allied-Bruce Terminix Cos. v. Dobson, 
    513 U.S. 265
    , 273,
    
    115 S. Ct. 834
    , 839 (1995).
    Indeed, other courts have concluded that Congress amended the statute to
    regulate child pornography to the broadest allowable extent. See, e.g., United
    4
    This provision of § 2252A remains the same today. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 2252
    (a)(5)(B)
    (2012).
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    States v. Lewis, 
    554 F.3d 208
    , 216 (1st Cir. 2009); United States v. Wright, 
    625 F.3d 583
    , 599-600 (9th Cir. 2010) (citing 153 Cong. Rec. H13591-92 (daily ed.
    Nov. 13, 2007) (statement of Rep. Conyers) (stating Congress’s intent “that the
    prohibitions against child pornography reach the full extent of its constitutional
    authority”); 
    id.
     at H13592 (statement of Rep. Goodlatte) (“The proposed legislative
    fix . . . would expand the jurisdiction to prosecute these crimes when the Internet is
    used.    This is the broadest assertion of interstate commerce power that the
    Congress can make consistent with the Constitution.”)). We agree and find that §
    2252A, as amended by Congress in 2008, signals Congress’s exercise of its full
    Commerce Clause powers to criminalize all possession of child pornography,
    including purely intrastate possession.
    c.
    Despite the fact that the broader, amended version of § 2252A was in effect
    at the time that McPherson allegedly engaged in the conduct charged by the
    Superseding Indictment, the Superseding Indictment charged only that McPherson
    “knowingly possessed and attempted to possess material that contains images of
    child pornography that was produced using materials that have been mailed,
    shipped and transported in interstate commerce . . . .” (emphasis added). It did
    not use the “in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce” language from the
    operative statute. Thus, while we recognize that McPherson’s alleged conduct
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    could have been reached by the operative version of § 2252A—even if it had been
    entirely intrastate, without any mailing, shipping, or transporting of materials over
    state lines—we must address his conviction under the actual language in his
    indictment. “A fundamental principle stemming from the Fifth Amendment is that
    a defendant can be convicted only for a crime charged in the indictment.” United
    States v. Dortch, 
    696 F.3d 1104
    , 1111 (11th Cir. 2012) (quoting United States v.
    Figueroa, 
    666 F.2d 1375
    , 1379 (11th Cir. 1982).           Therefore, the question is
    whether, by charging that the child pornography was produced using materials that
    traveled only “in interstate commerce,” the government imposed on itself an
    obligation to prove that such materials crossed state lines.
    Notwithstanding the fact that the indictment as drafted did not purport to
    encompass the full jurisdictional reach of § 2252A(a)(5)(B), we find that there was
    sufficient evidence to satisfy the jurisdictional component as it was charged in the
    indictment. We have explained that “the jurisdictional language ‘in commerce’
    invokes Congress’ authority to regulate . . . the channels within which people and
    goods move through the flow of commerce, as well as the instrumentalities used to
    facilitate that movement.” United States v. Ballinger, 
    395 F.3d 1218
    , 1233 (11th
    Cir. 2005) (en banc). Channels of commerce, “the interstate transportation routes
    through which persons and goods move,” United States v. Morrison, 
    529 U.S. 598
    ,
    613 n.5, 
    120 S. Ct. 1740
    , 1752 n.5 (2000), include highways, railroads, navigable
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    waters, and airspace.      Ballinger, 
    395 F.3d at 1225-26
     (collecting cases).
    Instrumentalities of commerce, “the people and things themselves moving in
    commerce, includ[e] automobiles, airplanes, boats, and shipments of goods.” 
    Id. at 1226
     (collecting cases).
    At trial, evidence showed that the materials McPherson used to produce
    child pornography, including the DVDs containing child pornography that were
    recovered from McPherson’s home, traveled in the channels of interstate
    commerce with instrumentalities of interstate commerce. Evidence showed that
    McPherson traveled with the DVDs from his home in Daphne, Alabama, to his
    daughter’s house in Birmingham, Alabama, where the filming occurred, and back
    again. This intrastate travel necessarily involved the use of roads and highways,
    which are channels of interstate commerce. Moreover, the parties stipulated that
    the DVDs had been manufactured in Taiwan. Even were we to assume that the
    DVDs traveled directly from Asia to Alabama, which we think unlikely, they were
    necessarily transported to Alabama using an instrumentality of interstate
    commerce, such as a plane or a boat. And, they also must have traveled through
    interstate airspace or waters, given Alabama’s geographic location in the United
    States. Thus, we conclude that there was sufficient evidence in the record to
    satisfy the jurisdictional component of the crime as charged beyond a reasonable
    doubt, and McPherson’s Rule 29 motion on Count 3 was properly denied.
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    2.
    McPherson also challenges his conviction on Count 3 based on the district
    court’s alleged constructive amendment of his indictment. McPherson claims that
    the court constructively amended his indictment when it instructed the jury that it
    could convict McPherson upon finding that the child pornography recovered from
    his house “had been produced using materials that had been mailed, shipped, or
    transported in interstate or foreign commerce.” (emphasis added).
    As McPherson did not object to the jury instructions on Count 3, we review
    for plain error. See United States v. Madden, 
    733 F.3d 1314
    , 1316, 1319-20 (11th
    Cir. 2013). Under plain-error review, we cannot correct an error unless it is, in
    fact, an “error”; it is plain, and it affects substantial rights. Johnson v. United
    States, 
    520 U.S. 461
    , 466-67 (citation omitted). If all three of these requirements
    are satisfied, we may exercise our discretion to correct the error, but only if the
    plain error “seriously affects the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of judicial
    proceedings.” 
    Id. at 467
     (citation and internal quotation marks omitted).
    It is error for a court to constructively amend an indictment. See Madden,
    733 F.3d at 1322. A constructive amendment occurs “when the essential elements
    of the offense contained in the indictment are altered to broaden the possible bases
    for conviction beyond what is contained in the indictment.” Dortch, 696 F.3d at
    1111 (quotation marks and citation omitted). Here, the jury instructions may have
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    broadened the bases for convicting McPherson under Count 3 by using the
    language “in interstate or foreign commerce” when the indictment charged only “in
    interstate commerce.” This was error. But even assuming without deciding that
    the error was plain and that it affected McPherson’s substantial rights, under the
    particular circumstances of this case, we cannot say that it “seriously affect[ed] the
    fairness, integrity or public reputation of our judicial proceedings.” United States
    v. Olano, 
    507 U.S. 725
    , 732, 
    113 S. Ct. 1770
    , 1776 (1993).
    The instruction about which McPherson complains regarded the element of
    the crime requiring movement in commerce.                 McPherson’s written factual
    stipulation that the DVDs came from Taiwan, however, necessarily established this
    element under both the interstate and foreign-commerce versions of the element
    and effectively left nothing for the jury to decide. See United States v. Urbana,
    
    412 F.2d 1081
    , 1083 (5th Cir. 1969)5 (holding that the district court’s failure to
    instruct the jury on the crime’s “interstate movement” element was not plain error
    where the defendant stipulated to that element”).           In particular, McPherson’s
    stipulation that the DVDs were manufactured in Taiwan removed any question that
    the DVDs had moved “in interstate commerce” because the DVDs could not
    possibly have gotten from Taiwan to Alabama without traveling through the
    5
    In Bonner v. City of Prichard, 
    661 F.2d 1206
    , 1209 (11th Cir. 1981) (en banc), we
    adopted as binding precedent all decisions of the former Fifth Circuit handed down before
    October 1, 1981.
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    channels of both interstate and foreign commerce. Given McPherson’s stipulation
    to the facts that necessarily satisfied the commerce element of the crime—whether
    interstate or foreign, reversing McPherson’s conviction on Count 3 because the
    court instructed the jury on foreign commerce in addition to interstate commerce
    would not preserve the integrity of our judicial proceedings but would instead
    undermine it.
    The Supreme Court has consistently and unanimously held that the plain-
    error rule should not be used to reverse, on purely technical grounds, an otherwise
    obviously proper conviction. See United States v. Cotton, 
    535 U.S. 625
    , 634, 
    122 S. Ct. 1781
    , 1787 (2002); Johnson v. United States, 
    520 U.S. 461
    , 470, 
    117 S. Ct. 1544
    , 1550 (1997). In this case, given the stipulation, the evidence on both
    versions of the commerce element (foreign and interstate) was “overwhelming”
    and “essentially uncontroverted at trial.”
    6 Johnson, 520
     U.S. at 470, 
    117 S. Ct. at 1550
    . Under these circumstances, the Supreme Court has concluded that reversal
    is “[t]he real threat . . . to the ‘fairness, integrity, and public reputation of judicial
    proceedings’. . . .” United States v. Cotton, 
    535 U.S. 625
    , 634, 
    122 S. Ct. 1781
    ,
    1787 (citation omitted). So we decline to reverse.
    6
    These facts distinguish this case from Madden, where we held that the constructive
    amendment of the indictment, by charging the jury with an alternative method of conviction,
    “seriously affect[ed] the fairness, integrity, and public reputation of judicial proceedings. 
    733 F.3d 1314
    , 1322-23. In Madden, unlike here, the evidence about the constructively amended
    element was contested at trial, and it raised questions about the defendant’s guilt. See 
    id. at 1323
    .
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    C. Sequestration of Greg McPherson
    McPherson next challenges the district court’s decision to sequester his son,
    Greg McPherson, from attending his trial under Federal Rule of Evidence 615. We
    review the district court’s decision only for an abuse of discretion. See United
    States v. Alvarado, 
    647 F.2d 537
    , 540 (5th Cir. Unit A June 1981).
    Both the government and defense listed Greg McPherson as a potential
    witness prior to trial.7 As a result, upon request of one of the parties, the district
    court was required to sequester Greg McPherson to prevent him from hearing the
    testimony of other witnesses. Fed. R. Evid. 615 (“At a party's request, the court
    must order witnesses excluded so that they cannot hear other witnesses’
    testimony.”). The government made that request before opening arguments began
    in the trial, and the court had McPherson’s son leave based on that request.
    Although Rule 615 contains an exception where the person to be excluded is
    “essential to presenting [a] party’s claim or defense,” see Fed. R. Evid. 615(c),
    McPherson did not argue either before the district court or on appeal that his son
    was “essential” to presenting his defense. Instead, he simply claims that the
    7
    Although McPherson suggests that the government listed Greg McPherson as a
    potential witness in a bad-faith attempt to exclude him from attending the trial under Rule 615,
    Fed. R. Evid., that allegation does not merit further inquiry, considering that the defense also
    listed McPherson’s son as a potential witness. And, contrary to McPherson’s contention, the fact
    that McPherson ultimately struck his son from his witness list does not alter the analysis. The
    defense’s listing of Greg McPherson as a witness in the first instance demonstrates his relevance
    to the case and rebuts McPherson’s allegations that the government’s listing of McPherson was
    in bad faith.
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    exclusion “rob[bed] the courtroom of a concerned and valuable observer,
    embolden[ed] witnesses, demoralize[d] the accused, and undermine[d] the
    legitimacy of the [trial].”
    Although courts should be reluctant to close the courtroom to a defendant’s
    family during trial, see In re Oliver, 
    333 U.S. 257
    , 271–72, 
    68 S. Ct. 499
    , 507
    (1948), “[t]he Sixth Amendment right to a public trial is not absolute and must, on
    occasion, give way to other rights and interests,” United States v. Brazel, 
    102 F.3d 1120
    , 1155 (11th Cir. 1997). The right to a public trial is not an end in itself.
    Instead, it serves “to ensure that judges, lawyers, witnesses, and jurors perform
    their functions responsibly; to encourage witnesses to come forward and
    discourage perjury; and to allow the public to see that a defendant is tried fairly.”
    
    Id.
    The burden is high for a party seeking total closure of a proceeding. See 
    id.
    (“[A] party seeking total closure of a proceeding would have to show that the
    measures taken were necessary to serve an overriding interest, and the court would
    have to consider other alternatives and make findings adequate to support
    closure.”). However, the sequestration of an individual witness is not a total
    closure of proceedings. See Douglas v. Wainwright, 
    739 F.2d 531
    , 533 (11th Cir.
    1984). Instead, it qualifies as merely a “partial closure.” See 
    id.
     (finding only a
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    “partial closure” where “members of the press and the defendant’s relatives and
    clergymen were present at the trial”).
    When a partial closure is sought, the requesting party need only provide a
    “substantial” reason for the closure. Brazel, 
    102 F.3d at 1155
    . Substantial reasons
    have included protecting witnesses from unnecessary insult to their dignity,
    Douglas, 
    739 F.2d at 533
    , and protecting testifying witnesses from intimidation by
    spectators, Brazel, 
    102 F.3d at
    1155–56. We conclude that compliance with Rule
    615 similarly provides a “substantial” reason for a partial closure. See United
    States v. Blanche, 
    149 F.3d 763
    , 769–70 (8th Cir. 1998) (rejecting defendant’s
    claim that his Sixth Amendment right to a public trial was violated when the
    district court, pursuant to Rule 615, refused to allow his sister to be in the
    courtroom for part of trial); United States v. Juarez, 
    573 F.2d 267
    , 281 (5th Cir.
    1978) (similar); see also United States v. Collins, 
    340 F.3d 672
    , 681 (8th Cir.
    2003) (noting that Rule 615 “prevent[s] witnesses from tailoring their testimony to
    that of prior witnesses and [aids] in detection of dishonesty”); Opus 3 Ltd. v.
    Heritage Park, Inc., 
    91 F.3d 625
    , 628 (4th Cir. 1996) (“[Rule 615] is designed to
    discourage and expose fabrication, inaccuracy, and collusion.”). Therefore, the
    district court did not abuse its discretion in sequestering Greg McPherson.
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    D. Conferences Held in McPherson’s Absence
    Finally, McPherson contends that the magistrate judge and district judge
    erred when they held a pretrial conference 8 and the charge conference in chambers,
    rather than in open court. He did not object to having these conferences held in
    chambers, so we review his claim only for plain error. See United States v.
    Sherman, 
    821 F.2d 1337
    , 1338–39 (9th Cir. 1987) (applying plain-error review to
    district court’s decision to conduct charge conference without defendant present);
    see also United States v. Smith, 
    230 F.3d 300
    , 309 (7th Cir. 2000) (similar). To
    prevail under the plain-error standard, McPherson must show (1) that there was
    error, (2) that it was plain, and (3) that it affected his substantial rights. United
    States v. Rodriguez, 
    627 F.3d 1372
    , 1380 (11th Cir. 2010). Even if he is able to
    meet those three requirements, we may exercise our discretion to notice the
    forfeited error only if it “seriously affect[ed] the fairness of the judicial
    proceedings.” 
    Id.
     Because it is difficult to meet, the plain-error standard is a
    “daunting obstacle” for an appellant to overcome. United States v. Pielago, 
    135 F.3d 703
    , 708 (11th Cir. 1998).
    McPherson has not carried his burden of showing plain error. Assuming that
    it was error for the magistrate judge to hold a pretrial conference without the
    defendant’s presence, that error was not plain. Under Federal Rule of Criminal
    8
    The pretrial conference was conducted by a magistrate judge instead of by the district
    judge.
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    Procedure 43(a), a defendant must be present for only three pretrial events: “the
    initial appearance, the initial arraignment, and the plea.” The rule makes no
    mention of pretrial conferences, like the one at issue here, where the parties discuss
    scheduling issues, pending motions, and a single stipulation. McPherson also fails
    to identify a single decision, from either the Supreme Court or this circuit, which
    held that a defendant is entitled to be present for a pretrial conference. Therefore,
    he has failed to establish that the pretrial conference conducted in his absence
    constituted plain error. See Rodriguez, 
    627 F.3d at 1381
     (“In order to be plain
    enough for the plain error rule, an asserted error must be clear from the plain
    meaning of a statute or constitutional provision, or from a holding of the Supreme
    Court or this Court.”).
    McPherson has also failed to establish that conducting the charge conference
    without him qualifies as plain error. Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 43(b)(3)
    specifically provides that a defendant need not be present for any “conference or
    hearing on a question of law.” The district court was not required to conduct the
    charge conference with the defendant present because the substance of the
    conference concerned legal issues relating to the jury instructions. Therefore, the
    district court did not commit any error, let alone plain error.
    We also note that McPherson has failed to show that his absence from these
    two conferences affected his substantial rights. To satisfy that prong of the plain-
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    error standard, an appellant must show that the purported error “affected the
    outcome of the district court proceedings” so that there exists a “reasonable
    probability of a different result but for the error.” Rodriguez, 
    627 F.3d at 1382
    (quotation marks omitted). If the effect of an error is uncertain, an appellant has
    failed to prove that his substantial rights were affected.        
    Id.
         In this case,
    McPherson contends that, if he had been present for the charge conference, he
    would have noticed that the court was misinterpreting an evidentiary stipulation as
    a concession on the jurisdictional element of each count in the indictment. But he
    fails to explain why he would have been likely to notice that alleged
    misinterpretation, particularly in light of the fact that his own attorney actively
    participated in incorporating the evidentiary stipulations into the jury instructions.
    While there may be some remote chance that McPherson would have complained
    of the wording of the jury instructions as they related to the stipulations, the fact
    that we are uncertain that a defendant like McPherson, untrained in the law, would
    have done so means that he has not carried his burden under the plain-error
    standard’s third prong. 
    Id.
    III.
    For the reasons explained above, we affirm McPherson’s convictions on all
    counts.
    AFFIRMED.
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