Putu Indrawati v. U.S. Attorney General ( 2015 )


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    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
    ________________________
    No. 13-12071
    ________________________
    Agency No. A096-278-321
    PUTU INDRAWATI,
    Petitioner,
    versus
    U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL,
    Respondent.
    ________________________
    Petition for Review of a Decision of the
    Board of Immigration Appeals
    ________________________
    (March 2, 2015)
    Before TJOFLAT, JULIE CARNES and GILMAN, ∗ Circuit Judges.
    TJOFLAT, Circuit Judge:
    ∗
    The Honorable Ronald Lee Gilman, United States Circuit Judge for the United States
    Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, sitting by designation.
    Putu Indrawati petitions for review of the Board of Immigration Appeals’
    (“BIA”) order affirming the Immigration Judge’s (“IJ”) decision that she is barred
    from adjustment of status because she knowingly filed a frivolous asylum
    application. 1 Indrawati raises three claims. First, she argues that the IJ denied her
    a sufficient opportunity to account for any discrepancies or implausible aspects of
    her claim, in contravention of In re Y-L-, 24 I. & N. Dec. 151 (2007). Second, she
    argues that the IJ’s reliance upon three documents—a photocopy of a ten page
    addendum to her I-589 application for asylum, an Immigration and Naturalization
    Service (“INS”) memorandum recounting an interview conducted with Indrawati’s
    mother, and a memorandum detailing asylum fraud committed by the man who
    handled Indrawati’s application—violated her right to due process. Third, she
    argues that the BIA’s decision reflects a lack of reasoned consideration.
    1
    An alien who knowingly makes a “frivolous” asylum application is permanently
    ineligible for all benefits under the Immigration and Nationality Act (“INA”), see 8 U.S.C.
    § 1158(d)(6), except withholding of removal, 8 C.F.R. § 1208.20. An asylum application is
    frivolous “if any of its material elements is deliberately fabricated.” 8 C.F.R. § 1208.20.
    Although the BIA has (correctly) noted that, in this context, “fraudulent” might be a more
    appropriate term than “frivolous,” In re Y-L-, 24 I. & N. Dec. 151, 155 n.1 (2007), important
    distinctions exist between these terms. An application is “fraudulent” if “[t]here is a showing of
    fraud in the alien’s application such that he or she was not eligible for asylum at the time it was
    granted.” See 8 C.F.R. § 208.24(a)(1). Finding that an application is fraudulent is grounds only
    to revoke asylum; that finding does not necessarily bar the applicant from receipt of other relief
    under the INA. See 
    id. A fraudulent
    application is also frivolous only if, after comporting with
    procedural steps outlined in In re Y-L-, the IJ makes a finding that the applicant submitted the
    application knowing that it contained a material falsehood.
    In other words, all frivolous applications are fraudulent, but not all fraudulent
    applications are frivolous.
    2
    We conclude that we are without jurisdiction to consider Indrawati’s
    arguments regarding the sufficiency of her opportunity to account for discrepancies
    and implausible aspects of her claim. We are also without jurisdiction to consider
    her due process argument concerning the INS memorandum. Moving to the
    merits, we find unavailing her remaining due process claims, along with her claim
    that the BIA’s decision lacks reasoned consideration. Accordingly, we dismiss in
    part and deny in part her petition for review.
    I.
    A.
    Putu Indrawati, an ethnically Chinese Christian, was born in Indonesia in
    1974. In 1998, she entered the United States legally as a tourist. Sometime
    thereafter, she enrolled in community college in Gainesville, Florida. Although
    she originally intended to return permanently to Indonesia upon graduation, her
    plans shifted following an incident in December 2000. At that time, Indrawati
    returned to Indonesia to attend her grandmother’s funeral and to obtain an F-1
    student visa so that she could continue studying in the United States. According to
    Indrawati, she went shopping with a friend in a Surabaya 2 mall after acquiring her
    visa. As she entered the parking lot to leave, a group of Indonesian men assaulted
    2
    Surabaya is the capital of Indonesia’s East Java province. It is the second-largest city in
    Indonesia.
    3
    her and her friend. The men shouted ethnic slurs at Indrawati, and one choked her.
    Indrawati screamed, and the men scattered. 3 Although Indrawati did not alert the
    authorities, she immediately told her parents about the ordeal.
    This incident, combined with encouragement from Herlina Suherman—a
    fellow ethnically Chinese Christian student 4 that Indrawati described as “pretty
    much the closest friend that I had in the U.S.”—convinced Indrawati to apply for
    asylum. Suherman explained that her boss, Hans Gouw, could help Indrawati.
    Gouw was a purportedly upstanding member of the immigrant Chinese-Indonesian
    community. He led the Chinese Indonesian American Society and had helped
    Suherman acquire asylum. Suherman explained that Gouw could help Indrawati
    too—for a fee. Although she could read and write English and presumably could
    have completed the I-589 form personally, Indrawati—like so many others
    confronted by impenetrable government forms—relied on a third party’s expertise.
    Suherman and Gouw were on the case.
    3
    Indrawati adopted this version of the Surabaya assault before Asylum Officer Conwell,
    Immigration Judge Wilson, Immigration Judge Karden, the BIA, and this court. We assume,
    arguendo, the accuracy of her rendition of the facts.
    4
    Indrawati met Suherman in Gainesville. At that time, Suherman attended the University
    of Florida. She later moved to Michigan to work for Gouw. Her current whereabouts are
    unknown.
    4
    According to Indrawati, her involvement in the application filing process
    was minimal. She signed a blank I-5895 and truthfully answered biographical
    questions Suherman posed to her over the telephone. Indrawati also provided
    Suherman with her birth certificate, passport, and money to pay for Gouw’s
    assistance. Suherman and Gouw would apparently use this information to file a
    true and correct asylum application; all Indrawati would have to do was attend an
    asylum interview. That Indrawati would not see her application prior to the
    interview evidently bothered her not.
    On January 27, 2003, the INS received the application. The enclosed Form
    I-589 Application for Asylum and Withholding of Removal revealed that Indrawati
    sought asylum based upon her ethnicity and religion. The I-589 alleged that
    Indrawati had “long been subject to persecution” by Muslim-Indonesian extremists
    because she was a Chinese Christian. It also (falsely) stated that many of
    Indrawati’s “Chinese and Christian friends have been persecuted, tortured and
    killed in the past few years, since 1998.” The completed I-589 form did not
    mention the Surabaya assault that allegedly precipitated Indrawati’s pursuit of
    asylum. This was not a surprising omission given the form’s instruction to “attach
    5
    The form Indrawati signed contained warnings that the application was certified under
    penalty of perjury and that “[a]pplicants determined to have knowingly made a frivolous
    application for asylum will be permanently ineligible for any benefits” under the INA.
    5
    documents evidencing . . . the specific facts on which you are relying to support
    your [asylum] claim.”
    Indeed, appended to the completed form was a ten-page statement
    (“Statement”) that recounted two events supporting Indrawati’s asylum claim. The
    first event was an embellished version of the Surabaya assault. Whereas the actual
    event involved only ethnic slurs and choking, the Statement recounted a sexual
    assault. According to the Statement, Indrawati’s assailants stripped her and
    knocked her unconscious, resulting in her hospitalization. The Statement’s second
    event was entirely fabricated. It detailed an attack on a Christian prayer meeting at
    Indrawati’s home. Twenty Muslim men allegedly broke into Indrawati’s house,
    beat her father and the pastor, and threatened the entire group with further reprisal
    should they continue to practice Christianity. In reality, Indrawati’s parents were
    Buddhists and there was never any prayer meeting or attack at their home.
    In response to her application, the INS scheduled an asylum interview with
    Indrawati. On March 20, 2003, Asylum Officer Miguel Rodez conducted the
    interview. Although Rodez unquestionably possessed the Statement, the parties
    dispute whether or not he relied upon or referenced its contents at the interview. 6
    Neither party, however, disputes that Rodez questioned Indrawati regarding her I-
    6
    This dispute is perhaps the heart of this case’s frivolousness determination. Because
    Rodez did not note that Indrawati’s testimony was inconsistent with her application (which
    includes the Statement), the inference is that, if Rodez did ask questions about the Statement,
    Indrawati testified consistently with the Statement’s contents, and thus testified falsely.
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    589, made corrections to that form (along with red checkmarks), and took three
    pages of handwritten notes.
    In these notes, Rodez placed a checkmark indicating that Indrawati had not
    “received medical attention.” This directly conflicted with the Statement’s
    assertion that Indrawati was hospitalized following the Surabaya assault. His notes
    also stated that Indrawati’s worst problem occurred in 2000 at a mall and that “2
    men tried to rape her.” Rodez also wrote that Indrawati’s “story conforms to I[-
    ]589 statement[,] see attached.”
    A week later, Rodez wrote a report recommending a grant of asylum. By
    this point, Rodez’s copy of the Statement was replete with red checkmarks like
    those on the I-589. His recommendation’s reliance upon the indisputably
    fraudulent Statement was manifest. He referenced the two incidents detailed in the
    Statement and quoted dialogue contained therein verbatim. On the basis of his
    recommendation, the INS approved Indrawati’s application for asylum.
    B.
    Five years later, Indrawati received a Notice of Intent to Terminate Asylum
    Status featuring the proclamation that the United States Citizenship and
    Immigration Service (“USCIS”) had “information from a reliable source indicating
    that you did not have any problems in Indonesia and that you fabricated your
    asylum claim.” Unbeknownst to Indrawati, the evidence in question was a
    7
    memorandum penned by the INS’s Texas Service Center (“TSCM”) detailing an
    Anchorage, Alaska interview with Indrawati’s mother. Officials questioned her
    mother as she was en route to visit Indrawati. According to this memorandum—
    prepared months after the Anchorage interview—Indrawati’s mother allegedly told
    immigration officials that she knew of nothing that would have prompted her
    daughter to seek asylum. 7 Furthermore, the mother stated that Indrawati applied
    for asylum on the advice of a classmate.
    Though Indrawati said she was aware of no fraud in her application, if there
    was fraud, she had a guess as to its origin. Years earlier, Indrawati learned that
    Herlina Suherman, her closest friend, had run into legal troubles. Although
    Indrawati and Suherman “talk[ed] about pretty much anything and everything,”
    Suherman had apparently kept secret her participation in an asylum fraud ring. In
    2004, the Department of Justice announced an indictment charging Suherman with
    asylum fraud. That indictment also charged Hans Gouw—Suherman’s boss and
    the man who all parties agree handled Indrawati’s asylum application for a fee—
    with the same crime.
    Indrawati also learned that, while Suherman remained a fugitive, Gouw had
    subsequently pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit immigration fraud,
    7
    In her July 2009 testimony, Indrawati stated that she immediately told her parents about
    the (true rendition of the) Surabaya assault. She stated the same in her September 2011
    testimony.
    8
    conspiracy to commit identification fraud, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking,
    and money laundering. It turned out that Gouw’s Chinese Indonesian American
    Society was a profitable front for massive immigration fraud. Indrawati thus
    assumed that any problems with her asylum application were the result of
    meddling by Suherman and Gouw.
    The USCIS’s notice directed Indrawati to appear for an interview at the
    Miami Asylum Office on September 10, 2008, to determine whether her
    application was fraudulent. Asylum Officer Patricia Conwell conducted the
    interview. Indrawati explained that she applied for asylum on Suherman’s advice
    and that her only tangible involvement in her I–589 application began and ended
    with her signature. Indrawati maintained that she had never seen the Statement
    and that Rodez never questioned her about anything besides the contents of the I-
    589 form.
    Indrawati also explained that the Surabaya incident was the only physical
    attack she had ever suffered (though she did note that “[o]ther things happened like
    I had to pay triple for passport” because of her ethnicity). She also admitted that
    someone had given her “a brown paper envelope before the interview and told
    [her] to submit it to the officer.” Regardless, she explained that she never
    investigated the envelope’s contents. To conclude the interview, Indrawati’s
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    attorney told Officer Conwell that “[a]ny alleged fraud was not on applicant’s
    part.”
    Conwell found that Indrawati had submitted a fraudulent asylum application.
    Furthermore, she found that the unembellished choking incident did not rise to the
    level of persecution necessary for asylum eligibility. See 8 U.S.C.
    §§ 1101(a)(42)(A), 1158(b)(1)(A). The USCIS therefore terminated Indrawati’s
    asylum, pursuant to 8 C.F.R. § 208.24(a)(1), 8 on October 2, 2008.
    C.
    Four days later, the INS commenced removal proceedings against Indrawati,
    alleging that she had “procured asylum in the United States by fraud or by willfully
    misrepresenting a material fact” and charging her with violations of 8 U.S.C.
    §§ 1227(a)(1)(A)–(B) and 1182(a)(6)(C)(i). Removal proceedings began on
    December 10, 2008, before Immigration Judge Earle Wilson. Judge Wilson heard
    evidence,9 sustained the charge of removability under 8 U.S.C. §§ 1227(a)(1)(A)–
    (B), and found that Indrawati had filed a frivolous application. 10 This, however,
    8
    That regulation provides, in relevant part, that “an asylum officer may terminate a grant
    of asylum made under the jurisdiction of USCIS if, following an interview, the asylum officer
    determines that . . . there is a showing of fraud in the alien’s application such that he or she was
    not eligible for asylum at the time it was granted.”
    9
    Judge Wilson heard in-person testimony from Indrawati and telephonic testimony from
    Officers Rodez and Conwell.
    10
    In his oral decision, Judge Wilson found that Indrawati testified falsely at her asylum
    interview and that her application was “frivolous in that [Indrawati] submitted the application
    knowing that it contained false and misleading information.”
    10
    did not end the case. Because Indrawati could still seek withholding of removal, 11
    Judge Wilson adjourned the case to allow her the chance to file a second petition.
    Indrawati did just that, filing a second application for asylum and
    withholding of removal. She additionally filed a petition to adjust her status based
    upon her recent marriage to a United States Citizen. Before any of these
    applications were resolved, Immigration Judge Stuart Karden replaced Judge
    Wilson. Judge Karden then exercised his authority to rehear the frivolousness
    issue.
    By the time Judge Karden was ready to rehear that issue, Indrawati had
    withdrawn her second application for asylum and withholding of removal. This
    left only her petition for adjustment of status. Because a frivolousness finding
    would preclude adjustment of status, see 8 U.S.C. § 1158(d)(6), Judge Karden set
    out to immediately make that determination. In deciding this issue, Judge Karden
    heard testimony from three individuals and received documentary evidence. He
    first heard from Officer Rodez. Although he could not recall the specifics of
    Indrawati’s interview, Rodez testified as to his general practices in conducting
    asylum interviews. Most importantly, he noted that he would generally place
    11
    A frivolousness finding does not preclude an alien from seeking withholding of
    removal. 8 C.F.R. § 1208.20.
    11
    checkmarks above specific facts in an application after having verified that
    information with the applicant during the interview.
    Officer Conwell testified next. Conwell confirmed that Indrawati admitted
    that the Statement was fraudulent. Conwell also noted that it was unusual for an
    asylee to admit to fraudulent components of an asylum application. Additionally,
    Conwell testified that she believed Indrawati to be truthful at her termination
    interview. What Conwell meant by this was (and is) ambiguous. 12 On the one
    hand, Conwell may have meant that she believed Indrawati’s claim that Indrawati
    had never seen the Statement and had answered all of Rodez’s questions truthfully.
    12
    The following exchange between Judge Karden and Officer Conwell highlights this
    ambiguity:
    IJ:           Now, as you know, obviously, a big part of this is who created the
    statement? Did she know about the statement, et cetera. When
    you said you felt she was truthful when you did the interview, now
    obviously you don’t know what she’s thinking but at least the way
    that you evaluated [Indrawati’s] testimony part of it was that she
    told you that she had never seen this statement before. At the time
    did you believe that?
    CONWELL: I think more of my thoughts of her being truthful are that she said
    this didn’t happen, this didn’t happen and that didn’t happen. So I
    don’t know that I really examined that thought so carefully.
    IJ:           All right. So when you said there was—
    CONWELL: But she seemed honest that day.
    IJ:           Okay.
    CONWELL: I mean, it’s just, you know, you interview people and you say they
    are being honest or not and you know.
    12
    On the other hand, Conwell may have meant that she believed Indrawati’s
    assertion that the events chronicled in the Statement never occurred.
    Finally, Indrawati testified. She stated that she remembered the interview
    and that Rodez never questioned her regarding information contained within the
    Statement. She testified that she had answered all of Rodez’s questions truthfully
    and that she first learned about the Statement and its falsehoods when confronted
    by Conwell. She also reiterated that her only involvement in filing her application
    began and ended with signing a blank I-589 and relating truthful information to
    Suherman, whom she entrusted to accurately complete the form.
    Judge Karden also considered documentary evidence, 13 beginning with a
    color photocopy of the Statement. This copy showed the checkmarks that Rodez
    allegedly placed as he interviewed Indrawati. During the hearing, Indrawati
    requested access to the original Statement, claiming that she could use it to
    demonstrate that the checkmarks were made after the interview. If proven, this
    would have eliminated perhaps the strongest evidence for finding fraud. Indrawati,
    however, did not explain how she would (or could) use the original Statement to
    date Rodez’s checkmarks. After authenticating the document with Rodez, the IJ
    13
    There were additional exhibits beyond those covered here. We discuss only those
    documents that figure prominently in this appeal.
    13
    admitted the photocopy of the Statement without requiring the government to
    produce the original.
    Judge Karden also considered the TSCM, the document that precipitated the
    revocation of Indrawati’s asylum. The TSCM recounted that Indrawati’s mother
    stated that she did not know why her daughter would claim asylum. He also
    considered an affidavit by Indrawati’s mother disputing the TSCM’s accuracy.
    Indrawati’s mother stated that she had been mistranslated and that Indrawati had
    encountered serious difficulty in Indonesia on account of her race and religion.
    Finally, Judge Karden considered the Fraud Verification Memo (“FVM”).
    As mentioned earlier, Hans Gouw completed and filed Indrawati’s application.
    Pursuant to his guilty plea to asylum fraud (among other things), Gouw
    participated in a three-day interview in 2006 in which he outlined to federal agents
    the procedures he used to procure asylum for his customers. The FVM
    memorialized the findings of that interview. The government introduced the FVM
    ostensibly to impeach Indrawati after she testified that she had never spoken with
    Gouw, attended practice sessions for her asylum interview, or consented to fraud.
    Some of the FVM’s details contradicted Indrawati’s narrative. For example,
    Gouw claimed that he (or his associates) coached individual applicants so that they
    could testify credibly and consistently with their fraudulent asylum applications.
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    He also stated that his organization obtained the applicant’s consent before
    submitting a fraudulent application.
    Other details irrelevant to impeachment conformed to Indrawati’s narrative,
    thus bolstering the FVM’s reliability. Gouw stated that applicants who had paid “a
    sufficient amount of their outstanding fee” were provided with a copy of all
    documents submitted on their behalf. Indrawati had earlier testified that she paid
    Gouw a fee and that she had received a brown envelope (perhaps containing her
    application) prior to her interview. Gouw also stated that, where an applicant
    indicated an actual account of discrimination or harm, he would embellish that
    event to “dramatize” what had happened. The Statement indisputably contained a
    dramatized version of the Surabaya assault.
    Still other details, however, appeared to weaken the Government’s case. For
    example, although Gouw named many of the asylum applicants he helped, he did
    not mention Indrawati. Finally, some details were irrelevant or of little probative
    value. For example, the FVM recounted that Gouw listed false addresses for
    asylum applicants to ensure that asylum interviews occurred during circuit rides. 14
    14
    Many asylum interviews occur at the asylum officer’s office. In such circumstances,
    the officer will generally conduct one to two interviews per day. However, asylum officers will
    also travel to conduct interviews. For example, although Officer Rodez was stationed at the
    Miami Asylum Office, he also conducted interviews in Jacksonville, Puerto Rico, and St.
    Thomas. These on-location interviews are called “circuit rides.” While on a circuit ride, asylum
    officers generally conduct five to six interviews per day. Because an officer must conduct many
    more interviews than usual while on a circuit ride, there is the possibility that circuit-ride
    interviews will be less thorough than interviews conducted at his office.
    15
    Although Indrawati’s interview took place on a circuit ride, no one contended that
    she used a fraudulent address. Gouw also stated that he sometimes created false
    identification documents for his applicants. No one, however, ever alleged that
    any of Indrawati’s documentation was fraudulent.
    Ultimately, Judge Karden credited Rodez’s testimony as to the method that
    Rodez used when conducting asylum interviews. Rejecting Indrawati’s argument
    that Rodez must have checkmarked the Statement following their interview, Judge
    Karden, like Judge Wilson before him, found that Rodez checkmarked an
    application only during the asylum interview—and in response to the asylee’s
    answers. Because the Statement had checkmarks, he concluded that Rodez must
    have questioned Indrawati concerning the material therein and received answers
    conforming to the Statement. Accordingly, Judge Karden found that Indrawati
    knowingly testified falsely to material facts at her asylum interview; that is, she
    knowingly filed a frivolous application for asylum. 15
    Judge Karden bolstered this conclusion by referencing Conwell’s finding
    that Indrawati’s application was fraudulent, along with the FVM’s assertion that
    Gouw would coach his applicants so that they could testify convincingly at their
    asylum hearings. He noted that Gouw had a strong interest in prepping his
    15
    Although the Government did not rely upon this provision, we note that an applicant’s
    “signature [on an asylum application] establishes a presumption that the applicant is aware of the
    contents of the application.” 8 C.F.R. § 1208.3(c)(2).
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    customers to ensure they had smooth asylum interviews. His fraudulent asylum
    enterprise would collapse—and therefore expose him to criminal prosecution—if
    applicants testified inconsistently with their applications. Having found that the
    Government met its burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence that
    Indrawati had knowingly submitted a frivolous asylum application, Judge Karden
    ordered her removed and found her ineligible for either adjustment of status or
    voluntary removal.
    D.
    In her appeal to the BIA, Indrawati challenged Judge Karden’s frivolousness
    finding on two grounds.16 First, she contended that the Government had not
    proven by a preponderance of the evidence that Indrawati had knowingly filed a
    frivolous asylum application. Indrawati’s attorney stated that “[t]he only evidence
    in the entire record to show that Mrs. Indrawati was asked the questions on the ten
    16
    In her notice of appeal from the IJ’s decision, Indrawati presented her arguments as
    follows:
    The decision of the Immigration Judge was contrary to the law, the facts, and the
    evidence.
    The government failed to meet its burden of showing by a preponderance of the
    evidence that the respondent had knowingly and deliberately filed a frivolous
    asylum application.
    The immigration judge committed serious errors of law in the admission of
    documentation that was highly prejudicial to the respondent and was not provided
    to respondent as required by the local rules. Furthermore, the judge would not
    permit respondent or her attorney to examine the original I-589 application and
    Supplement, which was necessary to ascertain the authenticity of the markings
    made by the asylum officer at the time of respondent’s asylum interview.
    17
    page attachment are yellow highlights, red lines, and red checkmarks made by
    Officer Rodez.” As she had below, she claimed that the red checkmarks were
    made a week after the interview, and that, if proven, this “would have established
    that Mrs. Indrawati was truthful when she stated that Mr. Rodez never asked her
    the questions on the attachment to the asylum application during her interview.”
    Although couched in language concerning burdens of proof, most of Indrawati’s
    arguments quibbled with the weight given to and conclusions drawn from various
    pieces of evidence.17
    Second, she contended that the Government’s refusal to allow her to view
    the original check-marked Statement, along with Judge Karden’s reliance upon that
    document and the FVM, denied her due process. According to Indrawati, “[a]
    review of the original [I-589 and Statement] would have shown that the red
    checkmarks made by the asylum officer were not made at the asylum interview,”
    and that her inability to review that document rendered the hearing fundamentally
    unfair. To contest the FVM’s admission, she cited to cases holding that reliance
    upon documents containing multiple levels of hearsay—and the FVM surely did
    contain double hearsay—violates due process. Indrawati also contested the FVM’s
    17
    For example, Indrawati argued that “[t]he only indicia of knowingly fabricating
    evidence is a document (not prepared by Mrs. Indrawati, not submitted by her, and not signed by
    her) containing markings by an asylum examiner which, based on the totality of the evidence,
    indicates that it was prepared one week after the date of the interview.” Indrawati went on to
    explain that, “[i]f all the facts in the case are evaluated fairly,” the Government would not have
    met its burden.
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    reliability by noting discrepancies between how her application was filed and
    Gouw’s filing modus operandi. Overall, Indrawati contended that, had neither the
    check-marked Statement nor the FVM been considered, “there would have been a
    different outcome because the government would not have been able to prove their
    case by a preponderance of the evidence.”
    E.
    The BIA dismissed her appeal. It disagreed that the Government failed to
    meet its burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that Indrawati
    knowingly submitted a frivolous asylum application. It stated that the IJ’s decision
    to credit Rodez’s testimony (and discredit Indrawati’s testimony) was not clearly
    erroneous, and that Rodez’s testimony demonstrated that Indrawati “testified to
    [Rodez] consistently with [the Statement’s] contents.” The BIA also noted that
    Conwell’s termination interview with Indrawati “confirmed that nothing in Officer
    Rodez’s notations from the asylum interview was true except for a choking
    incident.” The BIA further stated that the FVM, which reflected that Gouw did not
    file fraudulent applications without first obtaining the applicant’s consent,
    supported the IJ’s finding that Indrawati had knowingly filed the fraudulent
    application.
    The BIA also dismissed Indrawati’s due process arguments. It noted that
    Indrawati failed to object properly to the Statement’s admission and deemed
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    speculative her arguments that she could prove that Rodez did not make the
    checkmarks during the asylum interview. Finally, it noted that the admission of
    the FVM did not violate due process because she could not show prejudice. The
    BIA explained that “there already existed independent evidence, based on the
    admittedly false statements both in the body of the Form I-589 and in the 10-page
    attached statement, that the application contained material falsehoods.” The BIA
    also stated that the FVM was admitted to impeach Indrawati’s assertion that she
    had no knowledge of the Statement prior to—and had not prepared for—her
    asylum interview.
    II.
    Indrawati raises three arguments in her petition for review of the BIA’s
    decision. First, she claims that the IJ’s frivolousness finding was improper because
    she was denied a sufficient opportunity to account for the alleged discrepancies
    raised by the color photocopy of the Statement, the TSCM, and the FVM. Second,
    she claims that Judge Karden’s and the BIA’s reliance upon these documents
    violated her right to due process. Finally, she argues that the BIA’s decision must
    be set aside because it does not reflect reasoned consideration of the law and facts.
    “When, as here, the BIA issues its own opinion, we review only the decision
    of the BIA, except to the extent the BIA expressly adopts the IJ’s decision.”
    Rodriguez Morales v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    488 F.3d 884
    , 890 (11th Cir. 2007). We
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    review legal determinations de novo. Ayala v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    605 F.3d 941
    , 948
    (11th Cir. 2010). We review administrative fact findings under the highly
    deferential substantial-evidence test. 
    Id. Under this
    test, we will affirm the BIA’s
    decision “if it is supported by reasonable, substantial, and probative evidence on
    the record considered as a whole.” Tan v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    446 F.3d 1369
    , 1374
    (11th Cir. 2006) (quotation marks omitted). We will reverse findings of fact “only
    when the record compels a reversal; the mere fact that the record may support a
    contrary conclusion is not enough to justify a reversal of the administrative
    findings.” 
    Id. (quotation marks
    omitted).
    III.
    Before addressing Indrawati’s arguments on the merits, we assess our
    jurisdiction (or lack thereof). We review our subject matter jurisdiction de novo.
    Amaya-Artunduaga v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    463 F.3d 1247
    , 1250 (11th Cir. 2006) (per
    curiam). We lack jurisdiction to review final orders in immigration cases unless
    “the alien has exhausted all administrative remedies available to the alien as of
    right.” 8 U.S.C. § 1252(d)(1). A petitioner fails to exhaust her administrative
    remedies with respect to a particular claim when she does not raise that claim
    before the BIA. 
    Amaya-Artunduaga, 463 F.3d at 1250
    .
    This is not a stringent requirement. Simply put, petitioners must have
    previously argued the “core issue now on appeal” before the BIA. Montano
    21
    Cisneros v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    514 F.3d 1224
    , 1228 n.3 (11th Cir. 2008). Unadorned,
    conclusory statements do not satisfy this requirement. Though exhaustion does not
    require a petitioner to “use precise legal terminology” or provide “a well[-
    ]developed argument to support [her] claim,” it does require that she provide
    information sufficient to enable the BIA to review and correct any errors below.
    Arsdi v. Holder, 
    659 F.3d 925
    , 929 (9th Cir. 2011). Unless a petitioner raises a
    purely legal question, the BIA cannot review and correct errors without the
    petitioner first providing her argument’s relevant factual underpinnings. What
    little we do require furthers two core purposes of the exhaustion requirement:
    avoiding premature interference with the administrative process and ensuring that
    the agency “has had a full opportunity to consider a petitioner’s claims.” Amaya-
    
    Artunduaga, 463 F.3d at 1250
    (quoting Theodoropoulos v. INS, 
    358 F.3d 162
    , 171
    (2d Cir. 2004)) (quotation marks omitted).
    The Government argues that Indrawati failed to exhaust her administrative
    remedies with regard to whether she had a sufficient opportunity to account for the
    discrepancies on which the frivolousness finding was based, whether the admission
    of the TCSM violated her right to due process, and whether the BIA’s decision
    reflects reasoned consideration. Although we agree with the Government’s first
    two arguments, we cannot agree with the third.
    22
    A.
    Nowhere did Indrawati’s appeal to the BIA mention a lack of “sufficient
    opportunity” to account for discrepancies and implausible aspects of her claim for
    asylum. This, however, does not end our inquiry; administrative exhaustion
    requires no specific incantation. Rather, we must look to the substance of the
    appeal for facts and allegations that make manifest the petitioner’s attempt to raise
    this claim before the BIA.
    The BIA first elucidated the procedural requirements for making a
    frivolousness finding in In re Y-L-, 24 I. & N. Dec. 151 (2007). There, the BIA
    stated that a frivolousness finding is valid only if there is “an indication that the
    alien has been afforded sufficient opportunity to account for any discrepancies or
    implausible aspects of [her asylum] claim.” 
    Id. at 155.
    The BIA noted that, to
    fulfill this requirement, “it would be a good practice” for an IJ to “bring
    [frivolousness] concern[s] to the attention of the applicant prior to the conclusion
    of proceedings.” 
    Id. at 159–60.
    Explicit warnings, however, are unnecessary if the
    deliberate fabrication “is so clear on the record that a formal request for an
    explanation would be a needless exercise.” 
    Id. at 160
    n.3. That being said, if the
    IJ does warn the applicant at the start of a merits hearing that he is contemplating
    making a frivolousness finding, the IJ “is not required to afford additional
    warnings or seek further explanation in regard to inconsistencies that have become
    23
    obvious to the respondent during the course of the hearing.” In re B-Y-, 25 I. & N.
    Dec. 236, 242 (2010).
    Indrawati’s brief to the BIA contained nothing resembling a claim that the IJ
    blindsided her with the frivolousness finding, thus depriving her of a sufficient
    opportunity to account for discrepancies in her application. 18 Accordingly, we are
    without jurisdiction to consider Indrawati’s claims on this issue.
    B.
    Indrawati also argues that the admission and consideration of the TSCM
    violated her right to due process. Although her appeal to the BIA did argue that
    Judge Karden’s admission of and reliance upon the photocopied Statement and the
    FVM violated her right to due process, the same cannot be said of the TSCM. Her
    appeal did not mention the TSCM anywhere, and the BIA noted as much. 19 By
    failing to make any arguments relating to the TSCM, we can say with certainty that
    Indrawati failed to provide the BIA with an opportunity to correct any alleged
    errors. Indrawati accordingly failed to exhaust her administrative remedies with
    18
    From the start of the hearings under Judge Stuart Karden, it was manifest that the court
    was considering a frivolousness finding. Indeed, that was the only issue that Judge Karden
    considered.
    19
    The BIA arguably was on notice that some of Indrawati’s claims with respect to the
    Statement and FVM might be equally applicable to the TSCM. However, this court has stated
    that the BIA’s sua sponte consideration of a claim does not result in exhaustion. Amaya-
    
    Artunduaga, 463 F.3d at 1250
    –51. If the BIA’s unprompted grappling with an issue is not
    enough to exhaust an administrative remedy, surely the result is identical when the BIA mentions
    an issue only in passing.
    24
    respect to all claims concerning the TSCM. See 
    Amaya-Artunduaga, 463 F.3d at 1251
    (noting that due process claims require exhaustion).
    C.
    The Government additionally argues that Indrawati failed to exhaust her
    claim that the BIA’s decision reflects a lack of reasoned consideration. In a
    reasoned-consideration inquiry, we look to see whether the BIA “consider[ed] the
    issues raised and announce[d] [its] decision in terms sufficient to enable a
    reviewing court to perceive that [it has] heard and thought and not merely reacted.”
    Cole v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    712 F.3d 517
    , 534 (11th Cir. 2013) (quoting Carrizo v.
    U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    652 F.3d 1326
    , 1332 (11th Cir. 2011)) (quotation marks omitted).
    The Government’s jurisdiction argument faults Indrawati for not raising an
    argument about the lack of reasoned consideration displayed by a decision not yet
    in existence. This is facially nonsensical. We reject the Government’s argument,
    and conclude that we possess jurisdiction to consider Indrawati’s argument on this
    issue.
    IV.
    Indrawati argues that the BIA’s reliance on the Statement and FVM violated
    her right to due process.20 Although the Federal Rules of Evidence do not apply in
    20
    The Fifth Amendment entitles petitioners in removal proceedings to due process of
    law. See Tang v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    578 F.3d 1270
    , 1275 (11th Cir. 2009).
    25
    immigration proceedings, Gares v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    611 F.3d 1337
    , 1347 (11th Cir.
    2010), due process considerations limit the evidence that may be considered. See,
    e.g., Banat v. Holder, 
    557 F.3d 886
    , 891 (8th Cir. 2009). To establish a due
    process violation, petitioners must demonstrate “that they were deprived of liberty
    without due process of law, and that the asserted errors caused them substantial
    prejudice.” Lonyem v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    352 F.3d 1338
    , 1341–42 (11th Cir. 2003)
    (per curiam). The BIA deprives a petitioner of liberty without due process of law
    when it considers evidence that is not probative and whose admission is not
    fundamentally fair. Tashnizi v. INS, 
    585 F.2d 781
    , 782-83 (5th Cir. 1978).21 When
    considering the fairness of admitting hearsay, we look to the challenged evidence’s
    reliability and trustworthiness. See, e.g., Anim v. Mukasey, 
    535 F.3d 243
    , 256 (4th
    Cir. 2008). To establish substantial prejudice, petitioners “must demonstrate that,
    in the absence of the alleged violations, the outcome of the proceeding would have
    been different.” Lapaix v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    605 F.3d 1138
    , 1143 (11th Cir. 2010)
    (per curiam).
    A.
    Indrawati contests Judge Karden’s admission of and reliance upon a
    photocopy of the check-marked Statement without first permitting her to examine
    21
    In Bonner v. City of Prichard, 
    661 F.2d 1206
    , 1209 (11th Cir. 1981) (en banc), this
    court adopted as binding precedent all decisions of the former Fifth Circuit handed down prior to
    October 1, 1981.
    26
    the original. Indrawati does not dispute the photocopy’s accuracy. Rather, she
    maintains that, if she had been given access to the original document, she could
    have established that Rodez annotated the Statement after his interview with
    Indrawati. Her claim necessarily assumes that there is a material difference
    between the photocopy and original; if there were not, the photocopy would be
    sufficient. The BIA dismissed this due process argument as “speculative,” stating
    that “there is no plausible contention that the authenticated photocopy differed
    from the original.”
    We agree with the BIA that Indrawati’s argument is speculative. At no point
    has Indrawati advanced any explanation as to what she might actually do with the
    original Statement that would reveal when Rodez placed the checkmarks. For
    example, if there is a test one can perform on ink to determine when a particular
    mark was inscribed on paper—a test that obviously could only be performed on the
    original—Indrawati did not bring that test to the attention of the BIA (or this
    court). We are left to ponder what, if any, differences might exist between the
    photocopy and the original (and how one would detect such differences) that could
    establish when Rodez made the checkmarks. Furthermore, Indrawati cites no
    authority requiring the government to produce original documents during removal
    proceedings.
    27
    It is indisputable that the check-marked Statement, when evaluated in
    combination with Rodez’s testimony as to his practices as an asylum officer, is
    probative as to what questions he asked Indrawati. Because Indrawati offers no
    explanation as to how the original statement differs materially from the photocopy,
    we cannot say that reliance upon the photocopy without providing Indrawati an
    opportunity to examine the original was fundamentally unfair. 22 Accordingly, we
    decline to grant her petition on this basis.
    B.
    Indrawati also argues that admission of the FVM was fundamentally unfair
    both because the document contained multiple levels of hearsay and because she
    had no opportunity to cross-examine its author. However, even if we were to
    assume that the admission of the FVM was a due process violation, 23 Indrawati
    22
    Indeed, it is likely that the photocopy would be admissible even if the Federal Rules of
    Evidence controlled. Although “[a]n original writing, recording, or photograph is required in
    order to prove its content,” Fed. R. Evid. 1002, “a duplicate is admissible to the same extent as
    the original unless a genuine question is raised about the original’s authenticity or the
    circumstances make it unfair to admit the duplicate,” Fed. R. Evid. 1003. Indrawati has not
    raised a genuine issue regarding the original’s authenticity, and, as noted, the circumstances are
    such that it was fair to admit the photocopy.
    23
    We pause to note that—within the immigration context—this circuit has not yet
    recognized anything resembling a right to confrontation rooted in the Due Process Clause. Other
    circuits, however, have recognized such a right. For example, in Cinapian v. Holder, 
    567 F.3d 1067
    (9th Cir. 2009), the Government first disclosed the existence of adverse documentary
    evidence during Cinapian’s immigration hearing—as opposed to disclosing the existence of that
    evidence beforehand—and made no effort to make the document’s author available for cross-
    
    examination. 567 F.3d at 1071
    –72. The Ninth Circuit held that “the combination of the
    government’s failure to disclose the DHS forensic reports in advance of the hearing or to make
    the reports’ author available for cross-examination and the IJ’s subsequent consideration of the
    28
    cannot demonstrate the requisite substantial prejudice. See 
    Lapaix, 605 F.3d at 1143
    . The IJ credited Rodez’s testimony that he would not have placed
    checkmarks on the document unless he asked questions pertaining to the check-
    marked material. He simultaneously found Indrawati’s testimony to the contrary
    incredible. It necessarily flows from this finding that Indrawati, at the very least,
    gave false answers at her asylum interview consistent with the information that
    formed the basis for Rodez’s recommendation to grant Indrawati asylum. 24 This
    reports under these circumstances” denied the petitioner a fair hearing, resulting in a violation of
    due process. 
    Id. at 1075.
    Explicitly referencing “the right to confront evidence and cross-examine witnesses in
    immigration cases,” the Ninth Circuit then held that the government “may not use an affidavit
    from an absent witness unless [it] first establishes, that, despite reasonable efforts, it was unable
    to secure the presence of the witness at the hearing.” 
    Id. at 1074
    (quotation marks omitted). The
    Ninth Circuit is not alone in crafting such a rule. See, e.g., Ocasio v. Ashcroft, 
    375 F.3d 105
    , 107
    (1st Cir. 2004); Olabanji v. INS, 
    973 F.2d 1232
    , 1234 (5th Cir. 1992); see also Dallo v. INS, 
    765 F.2d 581
    , 586 (6th Cir. 1985) (distinguishing a case that did apply this rule without commenting
    upon the rule’s vitality in the Sixth Circuit).
    Additionally, the Seventh Circuit has hinted that it might accept a version of this rule sans
    the “reasonable efforts” exception. Pouhova v. Holder, 
    726 F.3d 1007
    , 1015 (7th Cir. 2013). In
    that case, the government asked the Seventh Circuit to hold that unreliable hearsay statements
    may be admitted so long as the government “has made reasonable but unsuccessful efforts to
    locate the witness.” 
    Id. The court,
    however, rejected this invitation. It noted that it need not
    resolve the issue either way because “the government failed to make such reasonable efforts.”
    
    Id. Finally, it
    added that “[w]e do not see why making an unsuccessful effort to locate a witness
    renders the unreliable hearsay evidence any more reliable or its use any fairer than without such
    effort.” 
    Id. We need
    not ponder the sagacity of taking this approach because Indrawati cannot
    establish the requisite substantial prejudice.
    24
    The IJ noted this in his oral decision, stating:
    [T]he Court finds that [Rodez’s] testimony as to making the checkmarks during
    the interview with his notes is credible and believable. Therefore, the Court finds
    29
    evidence alone could have satisfied the Government’s burden to prove by a
    preponderance of the evidence that Indrawati submitted a frivolous asylum
    application. The BIA held that the IJ’s decision to credit Rodez’s testimony (and
    discredit Indrawati’s testimony) was not clearly erroneous. Even if we believed
    that the IJ and the BIA were incorrect, we cannot say that the “record compels a
    reversal.” 
    Tan, 446 F.3d at 1374
    (quotation marks omitted). Accordingly, even if
    reliance upon the FVM violated Indrawati’s right to due process, Indrawati cannot
    demonstrate substantial prejudice given the finding that Rodez was credible and
    that he made the checkmarks during the interview.
    Indeed, the cases Indrawati cites for support serve only to highlight her
    claim’s deficiencies. In one line of cases, the hearsay whose admission violated
    due process constituted the only evidence supporting removal. See Hassan v.
    Holder, 
    604 F.3d 915
    , 927 (6th Cir. 2010); Alexandrov v. Gonzalez, 
    442 F.3d 395
    ,
    407 (6th Cir. 2006). In another line of cases, the hearsay, though not the only
    evidence supporting removal, was dispositive. See 
    Banat, 557 F.3d at 893
    (finding
    that these specific items were asked and that [Indrawati] gave fabricated
    answers . . . .
    The BIA alluded to the same:
    [T]he [IJ] credited the testimony of Asylum Officer Rodez that he interviewed the
    respondent based on this statement, and placed checkmarks on the document to
    verify that she testified consistently with its contents.
    (citations omitted).
    30
    that the IJ’s credibility determination relied primarily upon a letter containing
    multiple levels of hearsay); 
    Anim, 535 F.3d at 258
    (finding a due process violation
    where the IJ’s determination that the petitioner submitted fraudulent documents
    could be sustained only after relying on a letter comprised of multiple levels of
    hearsay); Ezeagwuna v. Ashcroft, 
    325 F.3d 396
    , 408 (3d Cir. 2003) (finding a due
    process violation where the BIA based its credibility finding “almost entirely
    upon” a document containing multiple levels of hearsay). In these cases,
    substantial prejudice was manifest. Indrawati’s case is clearly distinguishable.
    Accordingly, we conclude that Indrawati’s due process claim relating to the FVM
    does not justify granting her petition. See Cole v. Att’y Gen., 
    712 F.3d 517
    , 535
    (11th Cir. 2013).
    V.
    Indrawati’s diverse arguments clothed in “reasoned consideration” garb fare
    no better than her arguments based on due process. Occasionally, this court has
    granted petitions for review, vacated agency decisions, and remanded for further
    proceedings when the agency’s decision was so lacking in reasoned consideration
    and explanation that meaningful review was impossible. See, e.g., Mezvrishvili v.
    U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    467 F.3d 1292
    , 1297 (11th Cir. 2006) (per curiam). When
    assessing whether a decision displays reasoned consideration, we look only to
    ensure that the IJ and the BIA considered the issues raised and announced their
    31
    decisions in terms sufficient to enable review. Cole v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    712 F.3d 517
    , 534 (11th Cir. 2013).
    Although it is true that the IJ and the BIA must consider all the evidence
    submitted, “it is well established that the IJ and the BIA need not address
    specifically each claim the petitioner made or each piece of evidence the petitioner
    presented.” 
    Id. (quotation marks
    omitted). Accordingly, a decision that omits the
    discussion of certain pieces of evidence can nonetheless display reasoned
    consideration. Furthermore, our reasoned-consideration examination “does not
    amount to a review for whether sufficient evidence supports the decision of the
    [BIA].” Perez-Guerrero v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    717 F.3d 1224
    , 1232 (11th Cir. 2013).
    That is to say, when we remand for lack of reasoned consideration, it is not
    because we have reviewed the BIA’s decision and disagreed with its legal
    conclusions and factual findings. See 
    Mezvrishvili, 467 F.3d at 1297
    . Rather, we
    have determined that, given the facts and claims in the specific case before the IJ
    and the BIA, the agency decision is so fundamentally incomplete that a review of
    legal and factual determinations would be quixotic. See 
    id. Our inquiry
    concerns
    process, not substance; we look to see that the agency “heard and thought and not
    merely reacted.” 
    Cole, 712 F.3d at 534
    (quotation marks omitted).
    For example, in Tan v. United States Attorney General, 
    446 F.3d 1369
    (11th
    Cir. 2006), Liana Tan, a native of Indonesia and an ethnically Chinese Christian,
    32
    applied for withholding of removal based in part upon a well-founded fear of
    future persecution predicated upon her 
    race. 446 F.3d at 1370
    –71. The IJ rejected
    her application, and the BIA affirmed that decision without opinion. 
    Id. at 1373.
    Tan had supported her claim with Country Reports and newspaper articles attesting
    to widespread violence against Chinese people and Christians. 
    Id. at 1375.
    Her
    application for withholding of removal also noted that her family’s business had
    recently been looted and damaged during a riot. 
    Id. at 1376.
    Nonetheless, the IJ
    failed to mention the reports and articles when cataloguing the evidence in Tan’s
    case and also misstated the facts, declaring that Tan’s family continued to live in
    Indonesia without problems. 
    Id. at 1375–76.
    The IJ supported his decision to
    reject her application for withholding of removal based upon a well-founded fear
    of future persecution because “a great deal of [Indonesia’s Christian population of
    20 million] are ethnic Chinese,” and that “[t]herefore, based on the evidence that I
    have, I don’t believe she would be singled out simply because she is Christian and
    of ethnic Chinese origin.” 
    Id. at 1373.
    We held that this constituted a lack of reasoned consideration. However, we
    did not do so simply because the IJ failed to discuss all of the evidence. See 
    id. at 1375.
    Rather, we held that the IJ’s decision was defective because his statements
    were so patently unsupported (and contradicted) by the record, that “they
    undermine[d] the conclusion that [he] considered all the evidence.” 
    Id. at 1376.
    33
    Tan had raised evidence supporting her claim for withholding of removal, and the
    IJ’s decision gave us the impression not that he considered and assigned little
    weight to her evidence, but rather that the evidence did not enter his calculus
    whatsoever. Reading the application left us with the firm conviction that the IJ had
    “merely reacted” to Tan’s application. See 
    Cole, 712 F.3d at 534
    . Having
    abdicated his role as principled arbiter, the IJ’s “decision” was nothing of the sort,
    rendering nonsensical any attempt to seriously review its legal and factual
    determinations.
    A.
    Indrawati’s various arguments do not undermine our conclusion that the
    BIA’s decision reflects reasoned consideration. To begin, Indrawati’s arguments
    concerning discrepancies in Officer Rodez’s statement, equivocation in his
    testimony, and the quality of his note-taking are misguided. Indrawati argues that
    the IJ and the BIA failed to consider that Rodez’s notes indicate that Indrawati
    never sought medical attention, despite the fact that the Statement clearly recounts
    that she was hospitalized following the Surabaya assault. However, Indrawati
    never elicited these inconsistencies during the hearing with the IJ and did not bring
    them to the BIA’s attention. We have said that the BIA need consider only the
    issues raised. 
    Cole, 712 F.3d at 534
    . Because Indrawati raises this issue for the
    first time in her petition to this court, the IJ and the BIA had no reason to consider
    34
    that argument. Their failure to divine and discuss any possible arguments
    Indrawati might make at a future point does not reflect a lack of reasoned
    consideration. The same is true of her argument that reliance upon notes that
    purportedly do not meet BIA requirements reflects a lack of reasoned
    consideration. Because Indrawati never made these arguments before the BIA, it is
    reasonable that the BIA explicitly considered neither.
    B.
    Indrawati also quarrels with the BIA’s use of Officer Conwell’s testimony to
    support its decision. Indrawati argues that Conwell’s testimony actually bolsters
    her innocence. The theory goes that, because Conwell stated that she thought
    Indrawati was honest during her termination interview, and because Indrawati told
    Conwell that Indrawati had never seen her own application and answered all of
    Rodez’s statements truthfully, Conwell must have believed Indrawati’s account of
    the interview. According to Indrawati, if Conwell believed Indrawati’s narrative, it
    is more likely that Indrawati testified truthfully to Rodez; Indrawati is therefore
    innocent. That the BIA did not reach this conclusion—indeed, that it reached the
    opposite conclusion—should convince us that the BIA’s decision reflects a lack of
    reasoned consideration.
    We disagree. True, the BIA did not discuss Conwell’s belief that Indrawati
    was truthful. However, we think this omission proper given that Conwell’s
    35
    perceptions are irrelevant to the frivolousness determination. At its core, that
    determination hinges upon whether Rodez asked Indrawati about the Statement
    during her asylum interview. Conwell’s opinion as to Indrawati’s veracity tells us
    nothing about the asylum interview. It shows only that, without regard to whether
    what she was saying was true, Indrawati was a persuasive interviewee.25 If
    anything, the BIA’s omission here was merciful. Conwell’s opinion supports the
    Government’s theory that Indrawati was capable of testifying falsely without
    detection.
    Furthermore, Conwell’s testimony was not so critical to this case that the
    BIA’s failure to wrestle with its implications undermines our confidence that the
    BIA performed its duty and rendered a reasoned decision. Conwell’s testimony
    demonstrated only that Indrawati had previously admitted that her application was
    fraudulent. The evidence merely corroborated an undisputed fact. If an agency
    need not discuss every piece of evidence to immunize its decision from a
    reasonable-consideration inquiry, surely its failure to exhaustively discuss evidence
    of little probative value does not merit remand.
    25
    Another theory for considering Conwell’s opinion would be that it was reputation
    evidence of Indrawati’s character for truthfulness. However, Conwell’s solitary interaction with
    Indrawati was woefully inadequate as a foundation for such testimony. Cf. Fed. R. Evid. 602.
    Furthermore, it patently was not reputation evidence, but instead referred to a specific
    interaction.
    36
    C.
    Indrawati also argues that the BIA’s decision reflected a lack of reasoned
    consideration because the BIA improperly speculated that Rodez “would only rely
    on material he covered with an asylum applicant during an interview in drafting his
    assessment whether to grant asylum.” Indrawati considers this speculation because
    Rodez’s report refers to Indrawati’s hospitalization. Although the check-marked
    Statement refers to Indrawati’s hospitalization, Rodez’s handwritten notes reflect
    that Indrawati was not hospitalized. Neither party disputes that Rodez took these
    handwritten notes during the interview. Because those notes reflect that Indrawati
    was not hospitalized, the theory apparently goes, it necessarily means that
    Indrawati never testified to the contrary. And if the report states that Indrawati was
    hospitalized, it must mean that Rodez relied upon material not covered during the
    interview: the Statement.
    Central to this chain of reasoning is an assumption that Rodez did not
    annotate the Statement with checkmarks during the interview. Of course, the IJ
    made a finding of fact to the contrary, and the BIA found no error in that finding.
    Indrawati’s argument that the BIA’s decision reflects a lack of reasoned
    consideration because the decision includes speculation is simply incoherent unless
    we are to first reverse the IJ’s factual findings.
    37
    Perhaps this is why Indrawati supports her “reasoned consideration”
    argument with citations to two cases where we reversed findings of fact
    unsupported by substantial evidence. See Xiu Ying Wu v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    712 F.3d 486
    , 494 (11th Cir. 2013); Tang v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    578 F.3d 1270
    , 1278 (11th Cir.
    2009). To reiterate, we review administrative findings of fact under the
    substantial-evidence test, and will reverse such findings “only when the record
    compels a reversal; the mere fact that the record may support a contrary conclusion
    is not enough to justify a reversal of the administrative findings.” See Seck v. U.S.
    Att’y Gen., 
    663 F.3d 1356
    , 1364 (11th Cir. 2011) (quotation marks omitted). In
    both Xiu Ying Wu and Tang, the IJ made an adverse credibility determination based
    upon speculation, rather than evidence. Xiu Ying 
    Wu, 712 F.3d at 494
    (noting that
    “[n]either the BIA nor the IJ cited to any record evidence to support their
    conclusion that Wu’s story was implausible”); 
    Tang, 578 F.3d at 1278
    (noting that
    the IJ “based his adverse credibility determination on his personal perceptions
    about the reasonableness of Tang’s mother’s actions,” and that no evidence
    supported his determination).
    Cases discussing our review of administrative findings of fact under the
    substantial-evidence test are inapplicable to the question of whether the BIA’s
    decision exhibits reasoned consideration. To the extent that her reasoned
    consideration argument actually is a challenge to administrative fact-finding, we
    38
    agree with the BIA that the IJ did not err when deciding to credit Rodez’s
    testimony. Although Rodez’s contradictory notes may raise an eyebrow, when
    viewed in combination with all the other evidence, this inconsistency does not
    compel us to reverse the factual findings. Accordingly, we decline to grant
    Indrawati’s petition based upon this argument.
    D.
    Finally, Indrawati argues that the BIA’s “reliance on documentary evidence
    lacking basic indicia of reliability reflects a lack of reasoned consideration.”
    Indrawati cites no cases to support this legal theory. Moreover, this conclusory
    argument is simply a repackaged version of her argument that reliance upon these
    documents violated her right to due process. As we noted above, admission and
    reliance upon these documents was proper (or uncontested, in the case of the
    TSCM). Reliance upon properly admitted evidence is precisely what we would
    hope the BIA does when rendering decisions. Indeed, it is when the BIA
    disregards properly admitted evidence that its decisions reflect a lack of reasoned
    consideration. See 
    Tan, 446 F.3d at 1375
    –76. Accordingly, we find this argument
    meritless.
    VI.
    For the foregoing reasons, we DISMISS in part and DENY in part
    Indrawati’s petition for review.
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    DISMISSED, in part; DENIED, in part.
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Document Info

Docket Number: 13-12071

Filed Date: 3/2/2015

Precedential Status: Precedential

Modified Date: 3/3/2015

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