United States v. John William Hall ( 2020 )


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    [PUBLISH]
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
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    No. 18-14145
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    D.C. Docket No. 3:17-cr-00110-MCR-1
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    versus
    JOHN WILLIAM HALL,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    ________________________
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of Florida
    ________________________
    (July 21, 2020)
    Before ROSENBAUM and ED CARNES, Circuit Judges, and VINSON,* District
    Judge.
    ED CARNES, Circuit Judge:
    *
    Honorable C. Roger Vinson, United States District Judge for the Northern District of
    Florida, sitting by designation.
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    A decade ago this Court, sitting en banc, remarked: “The steady stream of
    criminal cases flowing through this Court brings us many examples of man’s
    inhumanity to man, and we see a depressingly large number of crimes against
    children.” United States v. Irey, 
    612 F.3d 1160
    , 1166 (11th Cir. 2010) (en banc).
    This is another one of those cases. The defendant was convicted for sexually
    abusing little girls, plea-bargained to a sentence of less than a year in jail for what
    he did to them, and registered as a sex offender when he was released. Then he
    sexually abused more young girls, leading to new charges and a new conviction
    and a new sentence.
    The pattern, unfortunately, is not that unusual. What is more unusual is that
    the record in this case contains descriptions and evidence of the devastating and
    long-lasting effects crimes like these can inflict on the children sexual predators
    abuse and on their family members.
    I. BACKGROUND
    In 2017, John Hall, who was at that time a registered sex offender because of
    crimes he had committed decades earlier, was found in possession of more than
    100 images of child pornography. He pleaded guilty to a single count of receipt of
    child pornography, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(2) and (b)(1). His
    advisory guidelines term of imprisonment was 180 months, but the district court
    varied upwards and sentenced him to 480 months in prison. Hall appeals,
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    challenging his sentence on the grounds that the district court improperly relied on
    hearsay evidence, did not give the notice required for departing upward, and
    imposed a substantively unreasonable sentence.
    Although Hall’s conviction in this case stems from his receipt of child
    pornography in 2017, that is not his only sex offense involving child victims. Not
    nearly. And much of Hall’s attack on his sentence relates to the district court’s
    consideration of his earlier crimes, so we will start with them.
    A. Hall’s Earlier Sex Crimes Against Children
    The evidence admitted at the sentence hearing in this case showed that in or
    around 1992 and 1993 Hall had sexually abused three young girls: K., who is
    Hall’s oldest biological daughter; and A. and L., who are daughters of Hall’s friend
    Wendy.1 Wendy trusted Hall to babysit her two young daughters regularly while
    she worked. K. and A. were both seven or eight years old at the time. L. was
    about three years old. Hall was 34.
    Wendy first learned in 1993 that Hall had sexually abused her daughters.
    That year L., her three-year-old daughter, told Wendy that Hall had bitten her in
    the vaginal area. L. also told Wendy that Hall did the same thing to A., Wendy’s
    older daughter, and to K., Hall’s daughter. Wendy asked A. about what had
    happened. A. cried but would not talk about it.
    1
    We refer to Hall’s child victims by letters instead of by their names for obvious reasons.
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    Wendy, who had always been “real particular about who watche[d] [her]
    kids,” and had “been scared of leaving [her] girls with people” she didn’t know or
    trust, pleaded with A. to tell her if Hall was molesting her. She said to A.,
    “[P]lease, if he’s messing with you . . . I need to know. You’ve got to tell me.”
    Still, A. “would not say a word. Just big old tears. And you could tell, it was like
    [A.] was in shock.” So Wendy told A. to just shake her head yes or no to Wendy’s
    questions. When Wendy asked A., “[D]id he [meaning Hall] touch you?” A.
    “shook [her] head yes.” A. shook her head “no” when Wendy asked if Hall had
    “done anything else” or “had any kind of sex or anything like that.” At that time
    A. wouldn’t say anything more or respond to any more of Wendy’s questions.
    (When she finally received treatment years later, A. disclosed to her counselor and
    then to Wendy that Hall’s abuse of her had been much more extensive than
    touching.)
    Wendy then confronted Hall, who admitted to touching A.’s vaginal area,
    “[s]wore he didn’t touch [L.],” and “cried, begged[,] and pleaded with” Wendy not
    to file a police report. To prevent her from doing that, Hall promised he would get
    counseling. Wendy had known Hall “all of her life, basically,” and she “didn’t
    know what to do.” She “thought the man just made a mistake,” so she decided not
    to report him to the police. But she kept her children away from Hall after that and
    would later say that if she had “known detail,” she would have done more.
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    In December 2001, the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office learned from
    another source that A. had recently divulged that around 1992 and 1993, Hall had
    sexually molested A. and K. The Sheriff’s Office interviewed A. She told the
    officers that when she was about seven years old, Hall had molested her and his
    daughter K. for a period of several years. Among other things, he would touch
    their breasts, and he made them touch his penis and put it in their mouth, and he
    inserted his fingers into their vaginas, and he made them remove their clothes and
    dance naked in front of a camera. Hall would look at pornographic magazines with
    the two young girls and make them pose like the pictures. Hall had told A. that if
    anyone learned of what he had done, people would blame her for it.
    A week after the 2001 interview, A. signed an affidavit repeating what she
    had told the officers. Wendy also signed one about what L. had told her in 1993
    and what Hall had said when Wendy confronted him about it back then.
    That same day, an investigator with the Sheriff’s Office conducted a
    covertly recorded telephone conversation between Wendy, A., and Hall. During
    that call, Wendy told Hall that she had originally thought he had only touched A.,
    but that A. had recently told her about the additional abuse. Hall responded, “[N]o,
    no . . . there was no really, anything like that going on . . . I don’t know what you
    asked.” Wendy asked Hall what happened and if he had videotaped A. and K. or
    had sex with them. He denied doing that.
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    A. then got on the phone. Hall called her “punkin” several times and said
    that he didn’t “want this to tear [her] up.” He told her that he had “changed” and
    “learned his lesson” and that “a lot of it was just innocent play, but I got carried
    away.” He also attempted to blame A. and K.: “[Y]ou guys [referring to A. and
    K.] got carried away, cause you and [K.] . . . was always into a lot [of] things and
    you just kind of [fell] into, into [K.’s] trap[;] you [know] what I’m saying or into
    that influence.” Hall told A. that she and K. “were in the experimenting stage and I
    . . . shouldn’t have let you guys play along and I shouldn’t have played along at the
    same time.” He told A. that he didn’t want her “to feel bad” and that he didn’t
    want “this” (apparently referring to his sexual abuse of her) “to hurt” her. He also
    said that he was “easy to get a[]long with,” and that A. should have “come to [him]
    and said listen I’ve got [a]n issue here.”
    A. listened to the man who had sexually abused her for several years talk
    about how he had “changed,” and was “easy to get a[]long with,” and heard him
    describe his abuse of her as “innocent play.” When she responded at all, A. made
    short, seemingly disengaged comments like “Yes sir,” and “Yeah.” When Hall
    asked A. what was “messing with [her] head,” she told him that she was “having
    flashbacks and things.” Crying, she told Hall she could “see . . . [him] pulling [his]
    penis out and sticking [hers and K.’s] mouth[s] on it and stuff.” Hall responded by
    saying that he didn’t “want [A.] to think that [she] did anything wrong.”
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    He mentioned again that it was “an experimental time,” and said that he
    would “catch” A. and K. “with nothing on running around” and then A. and K.
    would pull his pants off. Hall admitted to taking “advantage of the situation,” said
    he “was not mature enough to say no” to the young girls, and admitted that it “was
    wrong of me just to go ahead and play along.” At the time he “was not mature
    enough to say no,” according to Hall, he had been 34 years old, a quarter of a
    century older than the two little girls.
    The next day, there was another covertly recorded phone conversation, this
    time between just Wendy and Hall. In that call, Hall denied videotaping A. and K.,
    saying that, although the camera was set up and displaying images on the TV, it
    was only because A. and K. wanted to see themselves. Hall said he would “have
    never” made pornographic videos of A. and K. because “that would have been
    stupid and[,] you know[,] serious.” (When police later searched his house, they
    found a “stupid and . . . serious” pornographic video he had made of himself
    sexually abusing K., his daughter.) He denied sticking his penis in their mouths or
    penetrating them with his fingers, saying there was only “a little touching.” He
    said he “was going through a lot at the time,” and “didn’t have enough control over
    myself to realize what I was doing” but that he had changed. Wendy pushed him,
    saying it was hard to believe that A. had made everything up. Hall responded,
    “No, no, no . . . But I’m not sure . . . I really don’t remember.”
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    Hall claimed to Wendy that when A. and K. were naked he would “let them
    do what ever [sic] they wanted to do [and he] let them” — the young girls — “take
    control.” He said when they took control “it was like I had no conscience after
    that.” Hall continued to refer to the “experimental stage” that he claimed A. and
    K. had been in, saying that he acted like a kid “right along with them,” and that
    was wrong. He attempted to justify what he had done by saying: “I mean if
    anything came up most of the time these [two] youngins we[r]e the ones that
    instigated it.” He described the girls while he had been abusing them as young
    children “having fun,” “experimenting,” and “getting away with things,” and
    himself as “this grown man going to, getting to, crawling down to their level.”
    Hall denied to Wendy that he had ever instructed A. not to tell anyone. He
    claimed instead that A. had not told Wendy because she had been “getting away
    with something that normally she wouldn’t be able to get away with” and didn’t
    want Wendy to know. He said that “there was no real blame[,] you know,” but he
    had “always felt so guilty about it” and blamed himself “more than anything.” At
    the same time, he admitted that “what I was doing was not right” and insisted that
    “what I had done was not me.” He said that A. “knows I love her and I’ve never
    done anything to hurt her.”
    In that same recorded phone conversation, Hall also denied to Wendy that he
    had abused L. (her younger daughter, who was three years old at the time), stating
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    that once, while the young girls were getting dressed, he had “given [L.] a
    raspberry on her stomach and I guess it was a little too close down there.”
    Officers from the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office arrested Hall that day.
    During a post-arrest interview, he admitted that he had touched A.’s and K.’s
    breasts and vaginas and said that they may have touched his penis. He claimed —
    as he had during the phone call — that he had hooked up the video camera only so
    A. and K. could see themselves on the TV. He told of watching the young girls
    “mess around with themselves,” and described how he had “allowed” them to pull
    his clothes off and how it became a game. He “guessed” A. and K. had touched
    his penis, but he claimed not to recall whether he had the young girls give him oral
    sex.
    Hall consented to a search of his house and led detectives to several boxes of
    tapes and magazines. One tape featured the hand of what appeared to be an adult
    male fondling a young girl’s genital area while she looked at a pornographic
    magazine. The girl was between five and seven years old. The hand in the video
    had a tattoo on it that matched a tattoo on Hall’s hand. Detectives showed K.,
    Hall’s older daughter, still photographs of the tape, and K. said she thought she
    might be the child in the video. Other tapes Hall had also featured nude children,
    such as “child development documentaries with nude children” and “third world
    tribal shows with nude children.”
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    Four months later, in May 2002, Wendy and A. were deposed. They each
    testified in their depositions to what they had already told law enforcement. A.
    also discussed some more specifics about Hall’s abuse of her. She said she
    remembered “getting in trouble for things [she] didn’t do” — that Hall would
    sometimes “take [her] off to the back and he would touch [her] and stuff like that.
    And he would tell [her she was] a bad girl and stuff like that.” Discussing Hall’s
    abuse of her, she said that she “remembered it . . . like I remember anything else. I
    guess I’ve just always known it,” and that, even though she “tr[ies] not to” think
    about it, “it comes to [her] in dreams and stuff and then [she’ll] start thinking about
    it.”
    A. discussed how, in December 2001, she had “cut up [her] arms real bad”
    and her mom had sent her to a treatment center in Florida. A. said she didn’t know
    why she was cutting herself, but she spoke with counselors in the treatment center
    and told them what Hall had done to her. The counselors told her they believed her
    self-harm was a result of Hall’s sexual abuse of her. A. said that, although she
    hadn’t ever discussed the abuse with anyone before being at the treatment center,
    she talked to the counselors there because: “I was really scared about what was
    going on with me. I was really confused, so I just opened up and told them
    everything that’s ever happened in my life.”
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    In her deposition, Wendy also repeated much of what she had said in her
    statements to the police and in her affidavit. She also discussed A.’s mental health
    struggles over the years, noting how when A. “hit middle school, a lot of the
    depression set in,” and A. “went through a lot of self destructing [sic],” including
    “cutting,” and that Wendy “had no idea what was wrong.” After A. had one
    episode of particularly severe self-harm, Wendy decided to send her to a treatment
    center because she “didn’t know what to do,” and she “was scared [A.] was going
    to end up killing” herself.
    The doctors at the treatment center told Wendy that A.’s self-destructive
    behavior was normal for a child who had been sexually abused, and that they
    thought the behavioral and emotional problems A. had experienced “were because
    [she] had [been] sexually abused as a child.” When Wendy heard that it made “[a]
    lot of things” make “sense,” including A.’s history of nightmares. Wendy
    recounted how A. would “wake up having nightmares and would not tell you
    anything. [She] didn’t want to tell you what the nightmare was about.” But after
    hearing from the doctors, Wendy realized “it was nightmares — [A.] still has them,
    you know, to do with [Hall].”
    Wendy testified that she was “very surprised” and “shocked” when she
    learned of the extent of Hall’s abuse of A., and that she “wanted to kill him.” She
    said that she “dealt and still [was] dealing with a lot of emotional feelings.” When
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    she learned the extent of Hall’s abuse of A., she asked one of her children, “When
    did this actually start?” Wendy said her daughter couldn’t “pinpoint a time that it
    ever started. She said, Momma, it’s just always been going on there [at Hall’s
    house].”
    Hall was charged in 2002 for some of his sexual abuse of A. during 1992
    and 1993. He was arrested in January on two charges: one for sexual assault by an
    adult against a child under the age of 12, in violation of the version of Fla. Stat.
    § 794.011(2)(a) (2002) in place at the time, and the other for cruelty toward
    children by directing or promoting sexual performance by a child, in violation of
    Fla. Stat. § 827.071(3). In August of 2002, he pleaded no contest to two Florida
    sex offenses: one count of touching a person under 16 years of age in a lewd or
    lascivious manner, in violation of Fla. Stat. § 800.04(6), and one count of lewd or
    lascivious exhibition in the presence of a person less than 16 years of age, in
    violation of Fla. Stat. § 800.04(7). In spite of how severe and recurring his sexual
    abuse of the children had been, Hall received a sentence of only eleven-and-a-half
    months on each count to be served concurrently. He was required to register as a
    sex offender after he was released in 2003.
    That was not the end of Hall’s sexual crimes involving children.
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    B. Hall’s Sex Crimes Against Children in This Case
    In 2016, Canadian law enforcement officers discovered on electronic
    devices seized in Ontario a large number of images and movies, including child
    pornography. Some of that evidence was referred to law enforcement officers in
    this country and eventually made its way to a Homeland Security Investigations
    Office in Alabama. Included in it were 324 images of two minor girls — B., Hall’s
    youngest daughter, and H., who was the stepdaughter of William Roberts, Hall’s
    “best friend[],” who was also related to him by marriage. Some of the images of
    those two girls were sexually explicit.
    In an interview with H. on March 14, 2017, HSI agents showed her some of
    the 324 images that had been seized in Canada, and she identified herself in three
    of the pornographic ones. H. stated that those images of her were taken three or
    four years earlier, when she was 13 or 14 years old. She said that two of the three
    pornographic images were taken at the house of Roberts’ friend, whom she knew
    as “John.” According to H., the other pornographic image was taken inside
    Roberts’ work van, and John took it using a digital camera. She identified Hall as
    the man she had known as John.
    Roberts was arrested two days later for production of child pornography. On
    March 27, 2017, eleven days after his arrest, Roberts killed himself.
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    A federal search warrant was executed at Hall’s home in Florida on June 1,
    2017. During the search, Hall agreed to be interviewed. He told the agents that H.
    “hardly ever wore clothes,” dressed like a “little whore,” and liked attention. He
    also said that H. was “all over” Roberts (her stepfather) and that he felt bad for
    Roberts because H.’s behavior (when she was a 13- or 14-year-old child and
    Roberts was a grown man) got Roberts in trouble and led to his death. Hall
    admitted taking a picture of H. when her vagina was exposed. He also admitted
    taking sexually suggestive pictures of B., his biological daughter, when she was
    about 11 or 12 years old.
    The agents asked Hall if they would find any child pornography on the
    computers in the house, and he replied “no.” When they reminded him that it is a
    federal crime to lie to a law enforcement officer, and then asked him again, Hall
    again said they wouldn’t find any child pornography. He was, of course, lying —
    or we wouldn’t be here.
    The agents seized Hall’s computers and phone. A forensic analysis of his
    computer was conducted, but it was limited to the 77-day period between March
    16, 2017, and June 1, 2017, the date it was seized. The forensic examination was
    limited to that period because the hard drive in Hall’s computer had been replaced
    and/or reformatted on March 16, 2017, destroying any evidence of what had been
    on it before that date. Probably not coincidentally, that was also the date Hall’s
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    best friend and fellow child pornographer Roberts had been arrested on charges of
    production of child pornography.
    In any event, during the 77-day period for which there was evidence on the
    computer, Hall had searched for child pornography on a Russian website known
    for distributing it. The search terms he used included “preteen, ang[el], kidd[y],
    and loli. 2 His searches apparently were successful because during that same period
    Hall had also downloaded about 100 images of child pornography, including some
    images of children under the age of 12, and some images that were sadistic and
    masochistic. Three of the images showed an adult penis penetrating a
    prepubescent girl. Many of the images focused on the young girls’ vaginas.
    In addition, the forensic analysis also showed that Hall had bookmarked
    websites featuring “infants, toddlers and preteens in various stages of undress and
    in sexually explicit poses.” Finally, the analysis revealed that a counter-forensics
    software program called “Security File Shredder” had been installed on Hall’s
    computer. This program allowed someone to “digitally shred files at the touch of a
    button.” Apparently, when law enforcement showed up Hall did not have time to
    touch the button.
    2
    “Loli” is presumably a reference to the novel Lolita, written by Vladimir Nabokov,
    which concerns a middle-aged man’s sexual obsession with a twelve-year-old girl.
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    A few weeks after searching Hall’s house and seizing his computer and
    phone, law enforcement interviewed B., Hall’s younger daughter and the subject of
    some of the child pornography images that had started the investigation into Hall.
    B. said that Hall had taken sexually explicit pictures of her when she was about 9
    or 10. She confirmed that she was the young girl in 11 of the images that had been
    discovered on the computer in Canada. B. also told the agents how Hall had called
    the images of her “model pics” and had traded them with a man in the Philippines
    named Art for images of his children.
    B. recounted an incident that occurred around 2002 when Hall told her to
    rub his penis on his clothes. That happened when she was about 6 years old and
    right before Hall had begun to serve his sentence for his earlier sex abuse of A.
    B. also stated that she remembered seeing a naked picture of her one-year-old
    female cousin on Hall’s phone.
    As a result of the 2017 investigation, Hall was charged with one count of
    receipt of child pornography, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(2) and (b)(1),
    and one count of possession of child pornography that involved a prepubescent
    minor, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(5)(B) and (b)(2). In return for his
    guilty plea to the receipt of child pornography charge in Count One, the
    government dismissed Count Two. The district court accepted the guilty plea.
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    C. Sentencing
    The probation office prepared a presentence investigation report that
    calculated an advisory guidelines term of 180 months in prison. The calculations
    began with a base offense level of 22 for the receipt of child pornography offense.
    See U.S.S.G. § 2G2.2(a)(2). The following adjustments were recommended: first,
    a two-level reduction because the offense for which Hall was convicted did not
    involve the intent to traffic or distribute the material, see
    id. § 2G2.2(b)(1);
    second,
    a two-level increase because Hall’s child pornography involved “a prepubescent
    minor who had not attained the age of 12,”
    id. § 2G2.2(b)(2);
    third, a four-level
    increase because Hall’s offense involved material that portrayed “sadistic or
    masochistic conduct or other depictions of violence,”
    id. § 2G2.2(b)(3)(4);
    fourth,
    a five-level increase because Hall had “engaged in a pattern of activity involving
    the sexual abuse or exploitation of a minor,”
    id. § 2G2.2(b)(5);
    fifth, a two-level
    increase because Hall had used a computer to receive the child pornography, see
    id. § 2G2.2(b)(6);
    and sixth, a two-level increase because Hall had possessed “at
    least 10, but fewer than 150 images of child pornography,”
    id. § 2G2.2(b)(7).
    With
    a three-level reduction for acceptance of responsibility, see
    id. § 3E1.1(a),
    (b), Hall
    wound up with an adjusted offense level of 32.
    Hall had no criminal history points (his 2002 convictions were too old to be
    counted, see U.S.S.G. § 4A1.2(e)(3)), which resulted in a criminal history category
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    of I. Based on his offense level of 32 and his criminal history category of I, the
    advisory guidelines range was initially calculated at 121 to 151 months. That
    range was automatically elevated to the statutorily required minimum of 15 years
    (180 months). See U.S.S.G. § 5G1.1(b); 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(2), (b)(1).
    Hall objected to some parts of the PSR, including the recommendation that
    the court impose a five-level enhancement under § 2G2.2(b)(5) for a pattern of
    abuse or exploitation of a minor. That recommendation had relied in part on the
    conduct for which Hall had been convicted in 2002. Part of his objection to that
    enhancement was that the statement of that conduct in the PSR was inaccurate. In
    response, the government submitted the 2002 case file and certified copies of the
    depositions Wendy and A. had given during that investigation and prosecution.
    The 2002 case file contained the police report, arrest warrant and statement of
    probable cause, Wendy’s and A.’s affidavits, transcripts of the covertly recorded
    phone calls between Wendy, A., and Hall, and photos of Hall and the tattoo on his
    hand.
    At the sentence hearing, which took place in 2018, Hall reiterated his
    arguments against the § 2G2.2(b)(5) pattern of abuse or exploitation enhancement
    and the evidence on which it was based. He asserted that he “did not admit to
    touching the children” in the 2002 case. He also argued that the contents of the
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    2002 case file and the depositions of Wendy and A. should not be admitted
    because they were unreliable hearsay.
    The district court overruled Hall’s objection, finding the 2002 case file and
    deposition evidence reliable, in part because the sworn statements, depositions, and
    police report all told roughly the same story. The court explained that the 2002
    case file and Wendy’s and A.’s depositions showed “more similarities” in the
    statements Wendy and A. made “than there [are] arguable inconsistencies,” and
    that it actually was “not aware of any inconsistencies” within or between their
    statements. Referring to Wendy’s and A.’s affidavits and depositions, the court
    also found that “the sworn statements of those involved back in the 2002 case, like
    I said, they’re consistent with one another. And we have sworn testimony, which
    also provides a layer of reliability.” Not only that, but the court also pointed out
    that Hall’s own statements in the recorded telephone conversations corroborated
    the other evidence that Hall had sexually abused K., A., and L. The court
    overruled Hall’s objection to admitting the 2002 case file and depositions of
    Wendy and A., and his related objection to the five-level § 2G2.2(b)(5) pattern of
    abuse or exploitation enhancement.
    Speaking to the court, Hall said that he was “very sorry for the things that
    [he had] done” and “for the man that sits here before you.” He said he “never
    wanted to hurt anybody.” He said he was “always bullied” as a child and “I guess,
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    over the years it got to me.” He said, “I hate myself, literally I hate myself for
    what I’ve become,” and that he was “willing to do whatever it takes to get . . .
    help.” He said he had “turned [him]self over to God,” that he “promise[d] not to
    do this ever again,” and that he just wanted “a chance to spend a little more time
    with [his] wife.” He did not apologize to any of his victims or their families for
    wrecking their lives, shattering their emotional well-being, and blaming his child
    victims for his deviant conduct toward them. He did not mention them at all.
    During the sentence hearing, H.’s mother read into the record a statement
    from H., who was Roberts’ stepdaughter. In it, H. said:
    I want you to know that John [Hall] is honestly and truly, from the
    bottom of my soul, the worst person I have met in my 18 years. You
    both [John Hall and Christine, his wife] knew that Bill [Roberts]
    molested me, and all three of you took advantage of what I was
    convinced I should wear to use me for child pornography. You
    molested your own daughter. And what kind of person does that? What
    kind of mother keeps her other children around him, helps him, supports
    him, allows your grandchildren to be in the same terrible position? The
    heartless kind of people who deserve to go to jail. You have caused
    myself and who knows how many others to live a life of constant fear,
    scared to trust anyone. I don’t hate anyone. But John and Christine
    Hall, I hate you with every fiber of my body.
    After reading H.’s statement for her, her mother read her own statement.
    Her statement showed how deeply Hall’s criminal abuse of her daughter had
    affected both mother and daughter. She began by stating that she was speaking to
    both Hall and his wife Christine because they both “have blame.” She continued:
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    You have no idea the pain and heartache you have caused for me
    and my children, plural. When something like this happens, it has a
    ripple effect. Everyone is hurt in some way. The hate I have for you,
    John, I can’t even begin to explain. . . . I will pray that I can somehow
    forgive you so this hatred in my heart does not kill me. I hope and pray
    that you get a very long sentence. If not, I will pray[] even harder that
    you never make it out of prison. You and Bill [Roberts] destroyed my
    baby girl’s innocence. You and Christine were well aware that Bill was
    molesting my child, and didn’t do or say anything about that. You both
    should be charged [as] an accessory to that crime. John, you are a very,
    very sick man to want to take pictures of children, babies, even your
    own children, video recording them. Why? Can you even answer that
    honestly. . . . Y’all are sick. You disgust me. And one day you will
    burn for this. That will be the ultimate price that you pay in eternity.
    And when it’s your time to pass, I pray you die a slow, agonizing,
    painful death so you have plenty of time to think about all the wrong
    you have done to [y]our own children and to other children, including
    H. You don’t ever deserve any happiness, just pain and sorrow. Having
    to read what my own child wrote broke my heart all over again. She
    does not deserve any of this. No child does. I had to pray daily while
    you were still out walking the streets just to make it through the day
    without hurting you in some way just so you could feel my pain. Think
    about that.
    After hearing arguments from counsel and the statements of H. and her
    mother, the district court discussed the factors it considered in determining Hall’s
    sentence. It noted that the criminal conduct “in this case is certainly serious” and
    “of concern.” Specifically, Hall “had received and w[as] possessing approximately
    100 images of child pornography, some of which included an adult male
    penetrating a prepubescent female with his penis” — images that had been part of
    the basis for the court’s applying an enhancement for sadistic and masochistic
    behavior under U.S.S.G. § 2G2.2(b)(4) (a ruling that Hall does not challenge on
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    appeal). The court expressed its concern that Hall had searched for child
    pornography on a Russian website and possessed “a security file called
    ‘Shredder,’” which is “destruction-type software.”
    It also noted that the evidence showed that Hall had abused “at least five
    victims”:
    [Y]ou abused your own daughter, K., at the age of seven to eight, as
    well as two other children, two sisters, one of whom was approximately
    the same age as your daughter, and the other of whom was three years
    old.
    . . . [A]nd . . . the abuse lasted for — five years? And again, this
    included your own daughter and then it included two children that were
    entrusted to your care. You were in your thirties at the time. And the
    abuse included digital penetration, it included oral sex both by you and
    also the girls on you. And again, it includes a three-year-old, as if a
    seven-year-old is not bad enough. These are young children.
    The court recounted that Hall’s conduct in the 1990’s led to his conviction for two
    sex crimes, although the court stated that it “d[idn’t] know why it didn’t include
    three counts.” Still referring to Hall’s 2002 convictions, the court noted that the
    investigation leading to those convictions resulted in the search of his home which
    “revealed a collection of . . . well organized tapes and magazines and also included
    the discovery of a video of [Hall] abusing . . . a child while. . . she was looking at a
    pornographic magazine. And this was another young child.”
    The court observed that “within five years” of Hall’s release from his 11-
    and-a-half-month “jail sentence — not a prison sentence —” Hall began “abusing
    [his] other daughter, B., who was seven or eight at the time, and that continued
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    until she was approximately 13 years old.” And “[i]f all of that wasn’t enough,”
    then Hall began “producing child pornography involving H.,” in 2013 or 2014,
    “again as a sex offender,” when H. was 11 or 12. The court said: “And it’s
    difficult to even — to contemplate this, but you were producing that child
    pornography . . . knowing that her stepfather [Roberts] was sexually abusing her.
    And you did nothing to — obviously you did nothing to stop that abuse . . . .”
    Instead, and “worse, [you] encouraged . . . [the abuse] through the photographs.”
    The court found that, although Hall “should have appreciated the devastation
    that [his] actions would have on these children,” he showed “no insight into the
    seriousness of [his] actions and into the serious harm and the consequences to these
    children.” It noted A.’s “serious emotional and severe emotional problems,
    including self-mutilation,” and it told him, “You certainly robbed [your victims] of
    their innocence.”
    Despite that, the court pointed out that in Hall’s allocution and throughout
    the PSR’s recounting of what he had said to the probation officer, it “didn’t hear
    anything from [Hall] as far as . . . remorse in that respect, any insight into, again,
    into that harm to [his victims].” What the court did see reflected in Hall’s
    statements was “an attitude involving this abuse that is just inexplicable. . . . [N]ot
    only did you commit the abuse, but then you blamed the girls.” Describing
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    comments Hall made about taking pornographic pictures of H. as an 11- or 12-
    year-old, the court said:
    [Y]ou did the same thing then, you blamed H. She was 11 or 12 years
    old, she’s being raped and abused by her stepfather, and your view of
    that — I think you even said they were going to get married. I guess
    you’ve just normalized it and rationalized it in your own mind. But
    that’s what makes you so dangerous is that you — it’s clear to me that
    you do see this as certainly acceptable, normal.
    Stating that it had “given this a lot of thought,” the court expressed its belief
    that Hall was not going “to outgrow this desire that you have for young girls.” As
    a result, the court was concerned for “the public and the children in our
    community.”
    Regarding Hall’s guidelines term of 180 months (15 years), the court said
    “[t]he 15-year mandatory minimum . . . doesn’t take into account much of what I
    just discussed” — which the court characterized as “the devastation” that Hall had
    left “in [his] wake.” It said that Hall’s 15-year guidelines term “does not take into
    account H. or B., frankly.” And it noted that Hall “could have been charged with
    producing child pornography at a minimum” for the crimes he committed against
    H., in which case he “would have been looking at a mandatory minimum of 35
    years in prison just for that, not considering everything else.”
    In light of the fact that Hall had “committed several acts of child sex
    offenses as a [registered] sex offender,” the court found that “supervision for you,
    Mr. Hall, is [not] an option.” It reached that conclusion because the “status [as a
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    sex offender] and that threat that goes along with [registering as a sex offender]
    doesn’t seem to have deterred you at all.” Finally, it told Hall:
    I can’t impose a life sentence in your case. If I could, I would.
    And it would be consistent with sentences I’ve imposed for similar
    offenders under similar circumstances in the past. The maximum
    sentence that I can impose in your case under these circumstances is 40
    years, and that’s the sentence I’m going to impose.
    When pronouncing Hall’s 480-month sentence, the court recognized that,
    “certainly this sentence constitutes a significant upward variance from [the]
    guideline range.” It explained, “I have considered all of the factors in 18 U.S.C.
    [§] 3553(a), and I’ve considered the unique circumstances and facts of Mr. Hall’s
    offense of conduct [sic], but also his personal history and characteristics, and I do
    believe that this is an appropriate sentence.” The court also said that, to the extent
    it had erred in any of its legal rulings, its “sentence would be the same, again, for
    the reasons noted.”
    In its written statement of reasons, the court further explained:
    Supervision is not an option in this case. The defendant
    continued to engage in sexual acts against children after his previous
    state conviction for similar conduct. His prior conviction and
    designation as a sex offender had no deterrence on the defendant’s
    propensity to victimize children. . . . To protect the public, the court
    imposes a sentence of 40 years, which is the statutory maximum
    sentence. Regardless of the guideline objections and rulings in this
    case, the court would have imposed this sentence as it is the only way
    to ensure the safety of the public.
    This sentence of 480 months . . . constitutes a significant upward
    variance. The court believes this sentence is appropriate based on the
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    particular facts of this case, as previously outlined. Further, this
    sentence will protect the public from the defendant committing similar
    crimes while he is incarcerated.
    Hall appeals, challenging his 480-month sentence.
    II. STANDARDS OF REVIEW
    We review de novo constitutional challenges to a sentence. United States v.
    Ghertler, 
    605 F.3d 1256
    , 1268 (11th Cir. 2010). We also review de novo questions
    of law dealing with the guidelines. United States v. Kapordelis, 
    569 F.3d 1291
    ,
    1314 (11th Cir. 2009). We review a district court’s factual findings only for clear
    error. United States v. Lebowitz, 
    676 F.3d 1000
    , 1015 (11th Cir. 2012). And we
    review the substantive reasonableness of the sentence only for an abuse of
    discretion. Gall v. United States, 
    552 U.S. 38
    , 51 (2007).
    III. ANALYSIS
    Hall makes three contentions on appeal: (1) the district court violated his due
    process rights by sentencing him on the basis of unreliable hearsay evidence;
    (2) the district court’s above-guidelines sentence was actually an upward departure,
    not a variance, for which it was required to, but did not, provide notice; and
    (3) regardless of any other error, the district court’s sentence was substantively
    unreasonable. All his contentions fail.
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    A. Reliance on Hearsay Evidence
    First, Hall contends that the district court erred in relying on evidence from
    the 2002 case file and the depositions of Wendy and A. as the basis for imposing
    the significant upward variance to the maximum sentence allowed by law. Hall
    asserts that the court violated his due process rights by relying on that evidence to
    increase his sentence because it was unreliable hearsay and should not have been
    considered.
    A district court has “wide latitude in the kinds of information it may
    consider in the sentencing decision” and may consider hearsay evidence as long as
    “the defendant [has] an opportunity to refute it and [the evidence bears a] minimal
    indicia of reliability.” United States v. Giltner, 
    889 F.2d 1004
    , 1007 (11th Cir.
    1989) (emphasis added). A defendant challenging a sentencing court’s reliance on
    hearsay evidence bears the burden of demonstrating that the evidence lacks the
    “minimal indicia of reliability.” United States v. Bourne, 
    130 F.3d 1444
    , 1447
    (11th Cir. 1997). To prevail on a challenge to a sentence based on the
    consideration of hearsay, “a defendant must show (1) that the challenged evidence
    is materially false or unreliable and (2) that it actually served as the basis for the
    sentence.” 
    Ghertler, 605 F.3d at 1269
    (emphasis added). Hall has not met this
    burden because he has not shown that the evidence of his earlier sexual abuse of
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    K., A., and L., contained in the 2002 case file and depositions of Wendy and A.,
    was materially false or unreliable. He has not even come close.
    The 2002 case file and the depositions of Wendy and A. contain more than
    sufficient “indicia of reliability” to be considered in sentencing, and Hall had an
    opportunity to refute that evidence but he didn’t. As the district court explained,
    Wendy’s and A.’s descriptions of what Hall had done in 1992 or 1993 were
    consistent each time they were interviewed and were consistent with each other’s
    statements. Their statements were also corroborated by the evidence law
    enforcement officers found when they searched Hall’s house in 2002. Cf. 
    Ghertler, 605 F.3d at 1270
    (concluding that corroborative evidence is a sign of reliability).
    Both Wendy and A. gave sworn testimony in the affidavits included in the 2002
    case file, and also in their pre-trial depositions in that case, and both of their sworn
    statements were consistent with each of their other statements. See United States
    v. Reme, 
    738 F.2d 1156
    , 1168 (11th Cir. 1984) (concluding that statements under
    oath or where defendant could cross-examine declarant are “more likely to be
    trustworthy and reliable”). And Hall’s attorney was able to, and did, ask Wendy
    and A. questions at their depositions about their prior sworn statements. Cf.
    id. Hall’s assertions
    at sentencing that he has always denied sexually abusing A.
    and K. do not undermine the reliability of the statements of Wendy and A. Hall’s
    assertions are not only self-serving, they are false. To realize that they are false,
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    one need look no further than Hall’s own admissions during the covertly recorded
    phone conversations that Wendy and A. had with him.
    During those conversations, Hall said there was “a little touching,” that he
    had “played along” with A. and K., who were “in the experimenting stage,” and
    that he had taken “advantage of the situation” when A. and K. had “nothing on
    running around” and would pull his pants off. He tried to blame “these [two]
    youngins” for instigating whatever “came up.” He said that “what I had done was
    not me” and “what I was doing was not right.” When Wendy reminded Hall of
    telling him in 1993 that her little three-year-old daughter L. said that he had bitten
    her in the vaginal area, his response was that he had once given L. “a raspberry on
    her stomach and I guess it was a little too close down there.”
    Not only that, but Hall told law enforcement officers that he had watched A.
    and K. “mess around with themselves,” and that he played a game with the
    children in which he allowed them to pull off his clothes. He admitted to the
    officers that he had touched A.’s and K.’s breasts and vaginas, and that they may
    have touched his penis. Cf. 
    Reme, 738 F.2d at 1168
    (concluding that statements
    against defendant’s punitive interest “bear sufficient indicia of reliability”).
    The only evidence that contradicted the mass of evidence that Hall sexually
    abused A., K., and L. in the early 1990’s was Hall’s mostly self-serving statements,
    statements that shifted from outright denials to claims that he could not recall to
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    partial confessions. And there is another fact that speaks volumes about Hall’s
    credibility: he lied point-blank to federal law enforcement officers in this case
    when asked whether there was any child pornography on his computer, and then
    after being warned that it was a federal crime to lie to them, he repeated the lie.
    The district court did not err in concluding that there were sufficient indicia
    of reliability for the hearsay evidence in the 2002 case file and the depositions of
    Wendy and A. to be considered in sentencing.3
    B. Notice of Departure
    Second, Hall contends that even though the district court characterized his
    sentence as an upward variance from the advisory guidelines term, the court
    actually imposed an upward departure. And Hall argues that doing so was error
    because the court did not provide the notice Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure
    32(h) requires in such a situation.4 Hall is wrong.
    3
    To the extent Hall also challenges the district court’s application of the five-level
    enhancement under U.S.S.G. § 2G2.2(b)(5) for engaging in a pattern of activity involving the
    sexual abuse or exploitation of a minor, that challenge fails for several reasons. First, given the
    evidence in the 2002 case file and the depositions of Wendy and A., that enhancement by its
    terms clearly applies. Second, the district court clearly stated that it would impose the same
    sentence even if it had made a guidelines error. See United States v. Barner, 
    572 F.3d 1239
    ,
    1248 (11th Cir. 2009) (holding that any guidelines calculation error is harmless if district court
    judge clearly states that he would impose the same sentence even if he erred in the calculations).
    And third, because Hall’s guidelines term was elevated to the statutory minimum, his guidelines
    term would have been the same with or without imposition of the enhancement for a pattern of
    abuse or exploitation. See U.S.S.G. § 5G1.1(b); 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(2), (b)(1).
    4
    Rule 32(h) states: “Before the court may depart from the applicable sentencing range
    on a ground not identified for departure either in the presentence report or in a party’s prehearing
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    Although they may lead to the same result (a sentence outside the advisory
    guidelines range) a variance and a departure reach that result in different ways. A
    variance is a sentence imposed outside the guidelines range when the court
    determines that a guidelines sentence will not adequately further the purposes
    reflected in 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a). See 
    Gall, 552 U.S. at 49
    –50; 
    Kapordelis, 569 F.3d at 1316
    . A departure, by contrast, is “a term of art under the Guidelines and
    refers only to non-Guidelines sentences imposed under the framework set out in
    the Guidelines,” including the departure provisions. Irizarry v. United States, 
    553 U.S. 708
    , 714 (2008). A court must give the parties advance notice if it is
    considering departing from the guidelines range calculated in the PSR, but it need
    not give advance notice if it is considering varying from that range.
    Id. at 714–15.
    To determine whether the district court varied or departed, we look,
    unsurprisingly, to the court’s reasoning and what it said about that reasoning.
    Specifically, we look at whether it cited a specific guidelines departure provision in
    setting the defendant’s sentence, or whether its rationale was based on the
    § 3553(a) factors and a determination that the guidelines range was inadequate.
    See 
    Kapordelis, 569 F.3d at 1316
    .
    submission, the court must give the parties reasonable notice that it is contemplating such a
    departure.”
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    In this case, Hall didn’t raise this objection in district court, so we review
    only for plain error. See United States v. Bradley, 
    644 F.3d 1213
    , 1293 (11th Cir.
    2011). But that limited standard of review makes no difference because there is no
    error. See
    id. (“To find
    plain error, [a defendant] must convince us that the district
    court erred, that the error was plain, and that it prejudicially affected his substantial
    rights.”) (emphasis added).
    The reasons the district court gave for imposing a sentence above the
    guidelines term (a one-number “range” in this case) are reasons grounded in the
    § 3553(a) sentencing factors, not in the departure provisions of the guidelines
    alone. In its explanation, the district court discussed the § 3553(a) factors
    extensively, focusing especially on Hall’s lengthy and ongoing history of abusing
    young girls, even while being a registered sex offender, and the corresponding
    need to protect the public from Hall in light of that history; Hall’s failure to show
    remorse; and Hall’s pattern of consistently blaming his victims, victims who were
    young children. The court found that the advisory guidelines term of 15 years was
    “insufficient to protect the public from future crimes of the defendant.” See
    § 3553(a)(2)(C) (requiring that the sentencing court “consider . . . the need for the
    sentence imposed . . . to protect the public from further crimes of the defendant”).
    And in its written statement of reasons, the district court cited nine reasons
    grounded in the § 3553(a) factors that it relied on to impose Hall’s sentence of 480
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    months. It found that a 480-month sentence of imprisonment was necessary to
    address: (1) Hall’s extreme conduct; (2) Hall’s uncharged conduct; (3) Hall’s role
    in the offense; (4) the impact on Hall’s victims; (5) other aggravating factors;
    (6) Hall’s lack of remorse; and (7) just punishment; and was necessary to: (8)
    provide adequate deterrence; and (9) protect the public. All of those reasons relate
    to § 3553(a) factors. See § 3553(a).
    Not only did the sentencing judge base her decision on the § 3553(a) factors
    and the fact that the advisory guidelines term was insufficient to serve the goals of
    sentencing embodied in those factors, and not only did she not refer to any
    guidelines departure provision, she also stated that she was varying upward. She
    did not say she was departing upward. In view of the experience and knowledge of
    the district court judge in this case, that counts for something, especially given that
    it is completely consistent with her stated reasons. Cf. 
    Kapordelis, 569 F.3d at 1316
    (explaining that district court applied a variance, not a departure, because its
    rationale was based on § 3553(a) factors).
    Hall’s arguments to the contrary are unpersuasive. He points out that the
    guidelines state that the inadequacy of an enhancement under U.S.S.G.
    § 2G2.2(b)(5) for a pattern of abuse can justify an upward departure. See § 2G2.2,
    cmt. 9 (“[A]n upward departure may be warranted if the defendant received an
    enhancement under subsection (b)(5) but that enhancement does not adequately
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    reflect the seriousness of the sexual abuse or exploitation involved.”). But the fact
    that the work a variance does might also be done by a departure proves nothing.
    Given the breadth of the § 3553(a) factors and the number of departure provisions,
    there is substantial overlap between the two. That overlap resulted not from any
    original design logic or a master plan but instead from the felt needs of the Booker
    decision. See United States v. Booker, 
    543 U.S. 220
    , 243–65 (2005).
    In any event, departures don’t have dibs over variances. The usage numbers
    run in the opposite direction. During the most recent reporting period, for
    example, when imposing sentences above the guidelines range district courts used
    variances four times more often than departures. See United States Sentencing
    Commission, 2019 Annual Report and Sourcebook of Federal Sentencing Statistics
    84, Table 29 (reporting 364 total departures above the guidelines ranges and 1,431
    variances above the guidelines ranges during that court year). If anything,
    sentencing law, or at least the federal judges who apply it, prefer variances.
    What matters is that the grounds the district court gave for varying above the
    guidelines range fit comfortably under the § 3553(a) provisions; it doesn’t matter
    whether they might also have fit under a departure provision. See 
    Irizarry, 553 U.S. at 714
    (holding that Rule 32’s notice requirement applies only to cases in
    which the departure was based solely on “the sentencing guidelines, policy
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    statements, and official commentary of the Sentencing Commission”). The district
    court was not required to give notice of its inclination to vary upward.
    C. Substantive Reasonableness
    Finally, Hall contends that regardless of the procedures the district court
    used to arrive at it, his 40-year sentence was substantively unreasonable. The
    burden is on him to show that sentence is unreasonable in light of the facts of this
    case and the § 3553(a) factors. United States v. Tome, 
    611 F.3d 1371
    , 1378 (11th
    Cir. 2010). We review the reasonableness of the sentence only for an abuse of
    discretion, and in conducting our deferential review we consider “the totality of the
    circumstances, including the extent of any variance from the Guidelines range.”
    
    Gall, 552 U.S. at 51
    ; accord 
    Irey, 612 F.3d at 1165
    .
    “A district court abuses its discretion when it (1) fails to afford consideration
    to relevant factors that were due significant weight, (2) gives significant weight to
    an improper or irrelevant factor, or (3) commits a clear error of judgment in
    considering the proper factors.” 
    Irey, 612 F.3d at 1165
    (quotation marks omitted).
    The district court commits a clear error of judgment “when it considers the proper
    factors,” but “weighs those factors unreasonably, arriving at a sentence that does
    not ‘achieve the purposes of sentencing as stated in § 3553(a).’”
    Id. at 1189
    (quoting United States v. Pugh, 
    515 F.3d 1179
    , 1191 (11th Cir. 2008)).
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    The district court carefully considered the § 3553(a) factors, weighed those
    factors without making a clear error of judgment, and provided sufficient
    justification for the sentence it imposed. Hall engaged in repeated acts of sexual
    abuse of children over a period of at least two decades. He sexually abused a
    number of children, including both of his own daughters as well as both daughters
    of one friend and the stepdaughter of another friend. Hall’s depraved exploitation
    of young girls went on so long that when a shocked mother asked her child when it
    had begun, she answered, “Momma, it’s just always been going on . . . .”
    The evidence proved that Hall sexually abused children, and he produced
    child pornography, and he trafficked in child pornography, and he traded
    pornographic images he had taken of one of his daughters for those a man in a
    foreign country had taken of his daughter, and he downloaded from the internet
    numerous images of child pornography, some of which were sadistic and
    masochistic. Even after he went to jail for sexually abusing children and was
    required to register as a sex offender when he was released, Hall continued to
    sexually abuse children.
    And when he was caught, Hall blamed the victims, the very children he had
    sexually abused, calling one of them a “little whore” who liked attention. One of
    his friends and fellow pedophiles committed suicide after being arrested on charges
    of sexually abusing his own underage stepdaughter. Hall’s reaction was to feel bad
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    for that grown man –– not for the young girl the man had been molesting, because
    Hall thought it was the girl’s fault, that she must have provoked the abuse since in
    his view, “that’s just how [the young girl] was.”
    When asked about two of the girls who were seven and eight years old at the
    time he himself had sexually abused them, Hall (who had been in his thirties)
    claimed that “if anything came up most of the time these [two] youngins we[r]e the
    ones that instigated it.” He viewed his sexual abuse of them as simply “let[ting]
    them do what ever [sic] they wanted to do” and letting them “take control.” It is
    no wonder the district court told Hall that one reason he was so dangerous is “that
    you do see this as certainly acceptable, normal.”
    The harm Hall inflicted on the young girls he molested and abused,
    sometimes over a period of years, is immeasurable. But the general outlines of it
    can be described. Consider, for example, the effect his crimes had on A. Hall
    began sexually abusing her when she was seven or eight years old, and he
    continued doing it for several years. He told A. that if anyone learned what he was
    doing to her, people would blame her. When A.’s three-year-old sister told their
    mother that Hall had bitten her in the vaginal area and had done the same to A.,
    their mother asked A., who cried but refused to talk about it.
    Hall’s sexual abuse of A. caused her to have nightmares about him. She
    would wake up from having them but not want to tell her mother what they were
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    about. She has not been able to escape the memories of Hall’s abuse. Even though
    she “tr[ies] not to” think about it, “it comes to [her] in dreams and stuff and then
    [she’ll] start thinking about it.”
    A. began suffering depression in middle school and started engaging in self-
    destructive behavior, including cutting herself. She cut herself so severely on one
    occasion that her mother “was scared [A.] was going to end up killing” herself, so
    she sent her to a treatment center. A. “was really confused” and “was really scared
    about what was going on” with her. So she told the doctors about everything Hall
    had done to her, which she had not shared with anyone before. The doctors
    concluded that her behavioral and emotional problems, including the self-harm,
    were caused by the sexual abuse Hall had inflicted on her when she was a child.
    As H., another victim of Hall’s sexual depravity, told the district court, Hall had
    caused her and “who knows how many others to live a life of constant fear, scared
    to trust anyone.”
    As the sentence hearing statements of H. and her mother show, there is
    another harm that Hall inflicted on his victims, which should not be discounted:
    He caused both of them, despite their best efforts, to hate, to really hate. At the
    sentence hearing, H. told the judge that she didn’t hate anyone, except for Hall and
    his wife, whom she hated “with every fiber of my body.”
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    In her statement, H.’s mother told Hall that because of “the ripple effect” of
    all “the pain and heartache” he had caused her and her children, and how he had
    “destroyed [her] baby girl’s innocence,” she prayed he would “die a slow,
    agonizing, painful death so that [he would] have plenty of time to think about all
    the wrong [he had] done to [his] own children and to other children, including H.”
    Realizing that even fully justified hatred can consume those who harbor it, she also
    told Hall, “I will pray that I can somehow forgive you so this hatred in my heart
    does not kill me.” We do not know which, if either, of those two prayers may be
    answered.
    What we do know is, as the district court found, that Hall caused serious and
    lasting harm to his victims and others, that he lacks remorse, that he poses a danger
    to the public, particularly to little girls, and that a 40-year sentence is reasonable in
    light of those findings and the goals of sentencing. And we know that Hall’s
    sentence is consistent with our previous recognition that “[c]hild sex crimes are
    among the most egregious and despicable of societal and criminal offenses.”
    United States v. Sarras, 
    575 F.3d 1191
    , 1220 (11th Cir. 2009). This case is a sad
    reminder of just how “egregious and despicable” they can be.5
    Id. 5 Our
    opinion in Irey contains a list of cases involving egregious and despicable sex
    crimes against children that resulted in sentences comparable to the one imposed in this case.
    
    See 612 F.3d at 1220
    –21 (listing 13 cases involving sex crimes against children and the
    sentences imposed). We looked to those examples in Irey because § 3553(a) requires district
    courts in sentencing, and courts of appeals in reviewing sentences, to “consider . . . the need to
    avoid unwarranted sentence disparities among defendants with similar records who have been
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    AFFIRMED.
    found guilty of similar conduct.” 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a)(6). The sentence the district court
    imposed on Hall is not out of line with the sentences imposed in those 13 cases.
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