Eugene Frein v. Pennsylvania State Police ( 2022 )


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    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
    _______________
    No. 21-1830
    _______________
    EUGENE MICHAEL FREIN; DEBORAH FREIN,
    Appellants
    v.
    PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE; PIKE COUNTY
    DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S OFFICE; RAYMOND TONKIN;
    JOHN/JANE DOE I–V
    _______________
    On Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Middle District of Pennsylvania
    (D.C. No. 3:20-cv-00939)
    District Judge: Honorable Malachy E. Mannion
    _______________
    Argued: March 23, 2022
    Before: BIBAS, MATEY, and PHIPPS, Circuit Judges
    (Filed: August 30, 2022)
    _______________
    Curt M. Parkins                     [ARGUED]
    COMERFORD LAW
    538 Spruce Street, Suite 430
    Scranton, PA 18503
    Counsel for Appellants
    Sean A. Kirkpatrick           [ARGUED]
    PENNSYLVANIA ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE
    Strawberry Square, 15th Floor
    Harrisburg, PA 17120
    Counsel for Pennsylvania State Police
    David J. MacMain                  [ARGUED]
    MACMAIN CONNELL & LEINHAUSER
    433 West Market Street, Suite 200
    West Chester, PA 19382
    Counsel for District Attorney Pike County & Raymond J.
    Tonkin
    _______________
    OPINION OF THE COURT
    _______________
    BIBAS, Circuit Judge.
    Although police may seize potential evidence using a war-
    rant, they may not keep it forever. Yet they did that here. After
    a man assassinated a Pennsylvania State Trooper and injured
    another, troopers seized his parents’ guns. The government
    never used the guns as evidence. And eight years after the
    crime, once the son lost his last direct appeal, the officers still
    refused to return them—even though the officers do not claim
    that the parents or the guns were involved in the crime.
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    Because the parents were never compensated, they have a
    takings claim. And because they lawfully owned the guns, they
    have a Second Amendment claim too. But since they had a real
    chance to challenge the government’s keeping the guns, they
    got procedural due process. So we will affirm in part, reverse
    in part, vacate in part, and remand.
    I. BACKGROUND
    Eric Matthew Frein is on death row for cold-blooded mur-
    der. In 2014, he ambushed two Pennsylvania State Troopers,
    killing one and injuring the other. For a while, he evaded cap-
    ture. Police knew he had used a .308-caliber rifle. So they got
    a warrant to search the home that he shared with his parents
    and seize that type of rifle and ammunition.
    When they executed the warrant, state police did not find a
    .308-caliber rifle. Instead, they found forty-six guns belonging
    to the parents: twenty-five rifles, nineteen pistols, and two
    shotguns. None was a .308. Even so, the officers got a second
    warrant and seized them all.
    Eventually, the long arm of the law caught Frein. He was
    arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced to death. His convic-
    tion was affirmed on direct appeal and certiorari was denied.
    But throughout that long process, the government never used
    the guns it had seized from the parents—not at trial, at sentenc-
    ing, or on appeal. Plus, it never arrested or charged the parents
    and never alleged that any of their guns was involved in the
    crime. So the parents went to Pennsylvania state court and
    asked to get their guns back, raising Second Amendment,
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    takings, due-process, excessive-fines, and state-law objections.
    In a one-sentence order, their motion was denied.
    The parents now sue the state police, its officers, the Pike
    County District Attorney, and its prosecutors under 
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
    . The parents do not challenge the seizure under the
    Fourth Amendment. But they say that by keeping the guns after
    the criminal case ended, the government is violating two other
    parts of the Constitution: the Fifth Amendment’s Takings
    Clause and the Second Amendment’s right to “keep … Arms.”
    Plus, they argue that the state’s procedure for letting them re-
    claim their property violated procedural due process.
    In response, the officials concede that they never used the
    guns at trial or on appeal. They claim that they might need the
    guns as evidence if Frein’s state habeas (technically, PCRA) or
    federal habeas petition yields a new trial, but can only specu-
    late about how they might use them. And they stress that they
    seized the guns under a valid search warrant. The District Court
    agreed and dismissed their suit for failure to state a claim.
    Now the parents appeal. We review de novo. Vorchheimer
    v. Phila. Owners Ass’n, 
    903 F.3d 100
    , 105 (3d Cir. 2018).
    II. BY KEEPING THE PARENTS’ GUNS AFTER THE CRIMI-
    NAL CASE ENDED, THE OFFICIALS TOOK THEIR PROPERTY
    FOR PUBLIC USE WITHOUT COMPENSATING THEM
    Start with the Fifth Amendment claim. The parents
    correctly charge the government with taking their “private
    property … for public use, without just compensation.” U.S.
    Const. amend. V. They challenge not the searching officers’
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    initial seizure under a warrant, but the state police’s continued
    retention of the guns once the criminal case ended.
    A. The parents have stated a takings claim
    The Fifth Amendment’s text supports the parents. After all,
    their guns are “private property.” And they were “taken” by the
    officials. Plus, the parents have never gotten a dime, let alone
    “just compensation.” 
    Id.
    Finally, the officials pressed the property into “public use.”
    
    Id.
     The parents’ property was seized by public officials (police)
    to help public prosecutors enforce state law at a public trial. So
    their claim checks all the Fifth Amendment boxes.
    The officials counter that because the parents have tried to
    get their guns back in state court, they are collaterally estopped
    from using a takings claim to try again. Not so. The state
    court’s order would preclude this takings claim only if the state
    court had decided an “identical” issue. Metro. Edison Co. v.
    Pa. Pub. Util. Comm’n, 
    767 F.3d 335
    , 351 (3d Cir. 2014). But
    that one-sentence order said nothing about takings or the gov-
    ernment’s need to keep the evidence for a possible retrial; it
    gave no reasoning at all. Nor could claim preclusion have
    barred this claim, even if the officials had raised it, because
    Rule 588 motions are the wrong vehicle for seeking just com-
    pensation for a taking. Compare Pa. R. Crim. P. 588 (authoriz-
    ing only “the return of the property”), with Dep’t of Transp. v.
    A & R Dev. Co., 
    2020 WL 1130855
    , at *6 (Pa. Commw. Ct.
    Mar. 9, 2020) (explaining that Pennsylvania’s “Eminent Do-
    main Code … is the exclusive remedy for a de facto taking”).
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    Next, the government says Bennis v. Michigan forecloses
    this claim. Bennis held that the government need not compen-
    sate the owner when it has “lawfully acquired” property in re-
    liance on its police powers, rather than “eminent domain.” 
    516 U.S. 442
    , 452 (1996). No one doubts that the government
    seized the guns under its literal police powers. And because it
    had a valid warrant, it says it lawfully acquired the guns too.
    But Bennis applies only when the government gains title to
    the property. There, formal ownership of the property had been
    “transferred by virtue of [a forfeiture] proceeding from [the
    owner] to the State.” 
    Id.
     Here, by contrast, the government has
    never “lawfully acquired” title to the guns; they still belong to
    the parents. See Cedar Point Nursery v. Hassid, 
    141 S. Ct. 2063
    , 2071 (2021) (confirming that a taking happens
    “when[ever] the government physically takes possession of
    property without acquiring title to it”). Plus, the guns are not
    forfeitable as contraband, instrumentalities, or proceeds of a
    crime. They are, at most, potential evidence, and police do not
    gain title to “mere evidence.” Warden v. Hayden, 
    387 U.S. 294
    ,
    306 n.11 (1967). So Bennis is no obstacle to the parents’ tak-
    ings claim.
    B. The warrant does not immunize officials who keep
    property this long
    The officials have one last card to play: they seized the par-
    ents’ property under a judicial warrant. See Warden, 
    387 U.S. at
    301–02 (letting police seize evidence under search war-
    rants). The seizure, the parents agree, was valid. And warrants
    can shield officials from liability.
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    But not for this long. Though valid warrants immunize of-
    ficers who stay within their scope, they are not blank checks.
    See Bruce v. Rawlins, 95 Eng. Rep. 934 (KB 1770) (letting of-
    ficers be sued for trespass when a search under a writ of assis-
    tance turned up nothing); see also Thomas Y. Davies, Recov-
    ering the Original Fourth Amendment, 
    98 Mich. L. Rev. 547
    ,
    586–89 (1999) (noting that trespass liability for valid yet un-
    successful search warrants was “an aspect of common law …
    well known at the time of the framing”). But cf. Fabio Arcila,
    Jr., The Death of Suspicion, 
    51 Wm. & Mary L. Rev. 1275
    ,
    1284 & nn.15–16 (2010) (noting a debate over how much im-
    munity warrants and writs of assistance conferred). They are a
    limited exception to the rule against taking private property.
    And that exception applies narrowly. At the Founding, war-
    rants authorized taking property tied to a particular crime or
    wrong—hence the Fourth Amendment’s requirement of prob-
    able cause. So warrants had to “particularly” identify the
    “things to be seized,” and those “things” had to be tied to the
    crime for which there was probable cause. U.S. Const. amend.
    IV; see Davies at 601, 651–52. And though officers could also
    take evidence not listed in the warrant, it still needed to be “ma-
    terial as evidence on the charge made against the prisoner.”
    Rex v. Barnett, 172 Eng. Rep. 563, 564 (CP 1829) (emphasis
    added); see also Crozier v. Cundey, 108 Eng. Rep. 439, 439
    (KB 1827) (letting officers seize items not mentioned in the
    warrant only if those items were “likely to furnish evidence of
    the identity of the articles stolen and mentioned in the war-
    rant”). If officers exceeded these limits, they would be liable.
    Thus, at the Founding, warrants immunized officers from tres-
    pass suits only for seizing evidence tied to a particular charge.
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    Because the point of seizing evidence is to use it in a crim-
    inal proceeding, the government may hang onto it through that
    proceeding. See, e.g., Kensington Dist. N. Liberties, Pa., Act
    of Mar. 28, 1787, 
    2 Smith 401
    , § XII (letting the government
    keep seized gunpowder until a court decided whether it was
    lawfully possessed). And at the Founding, that proceeding
    would have ended by the time the conviction was final, not af-
    ter the prisoner had exhausted collateral review. Indeed, collat-
    eral review was historically a civil remedy treated as a matter
    of legislative grace, not an integral part of the criminal process.
    See, e.g., Ex parte Watkins, 28 U.S. (3 Pet.) 193, 202, 209
    (1830) (Marshall, C.J.) (holding that the writ of habeas corpus
    “excepts from those who are entitled to its benefit … persons
    convicted” by “a court of competent jurisdiction”); see also
    Brown v. Davenport, 
    142 S. Ct. 1510
    , 1520–21 (2022) (tracing
    the history of “permissive,” not “mandatory,” grants of habeas
    power to courts).
    Thus, the warrant immunizes the officers who first seized
    the guns. But after the conviction became final, the warrant’s
    justification ran out. “It is well settled that the government is
    permitted to seize evidence for use in investigation and trial,
    but that such property must be returned once criminal proceed-
    ings have concluded, unless it is contraband or subject to for-
    feiture.” United States v. Chambers, 
    192 F.3d 374
    , 376 (3d Cir.
    1999); accord United States v. Francis, 
    646 F.2d 251
    , 262 (6th
    Cir. 1981).
    If the government wants to keep the property after the con-
    viction becomes final, it needs some justification. That is why
    it may keep contraband, property that is illegal to own. It may
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    also keep the proceeds of the crime or the instrumentalities
    used to commit it. See 
    21 U.S.C. § 853
    ; Kaley v. United States,
    
    571 U.S. 320
    , 323 (2014). But it may do that only after going
    through one of two processes. First, it may use criminal forfei-
    ture to get the proceeds or instrumentalities as “an element of
    the sentence imposed following conviction.” Libretti v. United
    States, 
    516 U.S. 29
    , 38–39 (1995) (second word of emphasis
    added). In other words, it must first prove the owner’s guilt at
    trial. United States v. Sandini, 
    816 F.2d 869
    , 873 (3d Cir.
    1987).
    Or the government may use civil forfeiture to take the prop-
    erty even without convicting the owner. See United States v.
    U.S. Currency in the Amount of $145,139.00, 
    18 F.3d 73
    , 75
    (2d Cir. 1994). But even then, the government must have at
    least probable cause to link the property to the crime. See, e.g.,
    United States v. $10,700.00, 
    258 F.3d 215
    , 222 (3d Cir. 2001)
    (analyzing 
    19 U.S.C. § 1615
    ).
    The parents’ guns fall into none of these categories. The
    police have never said the guns are contraband. Nor have they
    tried to forfeit them. A new warrant or other proof of continued
    compliance with the Fourth Amendment could justify retention
    for collateral review, say, or a new investigation or prosecu-
    tion. But the government offers no such justification. When we
    asked the district attorney’s lawyer if there would be probable
    cause to seize the guns today, he conceded, “I would think not.”
    Oral Arg. Tr. 41:18–42:11. Because the government has not
    compensated the parents for the guns either, their takings claim
    may proceed.
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    We need not decide when, after the criminal case, this lia-
    bility accrues and whether the plaintiff must first demand re-
    turn of the property and be refused.
    III. BY HOLDING ON TO THE PARENTS’ GUNS AFTER THE
    CRIMINAL CASE ENDED, THE OFFICIALS INFRINGED
    THEIR RIGHT TO KEEP ARMS
    The Second Amendment guarantees “the right of the people
    to keep and bear Arms.” According to the parents, the officials
    validly seized their guns under a warrant, but violated that right
    by refusing to return them. To decide that claim, we ask
    whether the constitutional text and “this Nation’s historical tra-
    dition” permit holding on to the guns. N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol
    Ass’n, Inc. v. Bruen, 
    142 S. Ct. 2111
    , 2126 (2022) (abrogating
    United States v. Marzzarella, 
    614 F.3d 85
    , 89 (3d Cir. 2010),
    which set forth our previous framework for evaluating Second
    Amendment challenges). They do not. We hold that unless an
    exception applies, the Second Amendment protects a person’s
    right to keep his lawfully owned guns.
    A. The Second Amendment’s text protects a person’s
    right to keep his own guns for self-defense
    Start with the constitutional text: “keep … Arms.” The Sec-
    ond Amendment secures an individual right to “have weapons”
    on hand. District of Columbia v. Heller, 
    554 U.S. 570
    , 582, 592
    (2008) (defining “keep”). So aside from a few exceptions, the
    government may not prevent citizens from buying and owning
    guns. 
    Id.
     at 628–29.
    Nor may it barge into a home, seize guns, and keep them
    beyond the scope of a warrant or other authorized seizure. By
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    protecting the “keep[ing of] … Arms,” the Second Amendment
    ensures that the People may “retain” their firearms “in [their]
    custody.” Keep (defs. 1 & 2), Samuel Johnson, A Dictionary of
    the English Language (1755); see also Keep (defs. 1 & 2),
    Noah Webster, American Dictionary of the English Language
    (1828) (“[t]o hold; to retain in one’s power or possession”).
    The government may not “infringe[ ]”on this right. U.S.
    Const. amend. II. That guarantee, of course, forbids “de-
    stroy[ing]” the right by banning gun ownership. Infringe
    (def. 2), Samuel Johnson, A Dictionary of the English Lan-
    guage (1755). But it also forbids lesser “violat[ions]” that “hin-
    der” a person’s ability to hold on to his guns. 
    Id.
     (defs. 1 & 2);
    accord Infringe (defs. 2 & 3), Noah Webster, American Dic-
    tionary of the English Language (1828). Indeed, the Supreme
    Court recently instructed us to closely scrutinize all gun re-
    strictions for a historically grounded justification. Bruen, 142
    S. Ct. at 2131–33.
    That approach makes sense. With other constitutional
    rights, we scrutinize not only total bans but also lesser re-
    strictions and burdens. Thus, we may be skeptical of public-
    health rules that cap how many people may physically attend
    church, even if the rules do not ban them from worshipping.
    See Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn v. Cuomo, 
    141 S. Ct. 63
    , 68 (2020). Or an execution protocol that lets a chaplain into
    the execution chamber but stops him from praying out loud.
    See Ramirez v. Collier, 
    142 S. Ct. 1264
    , 1274 (2022). Or a law
    that criminalizes flag burning without regulating spoken or
    written words. See Texas v. Johnson, 
    491 U.S. 397
    , 402–03,
    419–20 (1989). Even if the government has not entirely
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    prevented citizens from speaking or worshipping, its burdens
    on speech and worship may violate the First Amendment.
    Likewise, the Second Amendment prevents the government
    from hindering citizens’ ability to “keep” their guns. Here, re-
    taining the parents’ “entire collection of guns” hinders their
    ability to hold on to it. Oral Arg. Tr. 27:18–19. So the govern-
    ment “infringed” on the parents’ right to “keep” their arms
    when it began holding on to the guns indefinitely. The seizure
    under a valid warrant immunized the government for the dura-
    tion of the criminal case. But now that the case is over, the
    government must either get another warrant or return the
    property.
    B. History confirms the parents’ Second Amendment
    right to get their guns back
    The history bears this out. The ratifiers of both the Second
    Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment (which secures
    the right in the states) understood that arbitrary seizures pre-
    vent citizens from keeping arms for their self-defense. Cf.
    McDonald v. City of Chicago, 
    561 U.S. 742
     (2010) (incorpo-
    rating the right to keep arms against the states).
    The seeds of the Second Amendment were planted centu-
    ries ago in England, when King Charles II authorized his offic-
    ers “to search for and seize all Armes in the custody or posses-
    sion of any person” whom they considered dangerous. An Act
    for ordering the Forces in the several Counties of this King-
    dom, 13 & 14 Car. II, c.3, § XIII (1662); see also Stephen P.
    Halbrook, That Every Man Be Armed 43, 210 n.40 (1984) (not-
    ing that a 1670 ban on commoners’ owning guns and bows was
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    used “to justify breaking and entering houses to search for
    arms”); Joyce Lee Malcolm, To Keep and Bear Arms 23–53
    (1994) (discussing various seventeenth-century seizures).
    After Charles II was deposed, the English Bill of Rights
    guaranteed the right of Protestants to “have arms for their de-
    fence suitable to their conditions, and as allowed by law.” Bill
    of Rights, 1 W. & M., ch. 2, § 7, in 3 Eng. Stat. at Large 441
    (1689); see Malcolm, To Keep and Bear Arms 115–21 (sum-
    marizing parliamentary debates).
    Like Englishmen, colonial Americans feared arbitrary gun
    seizures. In 1774, with tensions rising, the Crown “instituted a
    general policy of searching places [in the Boston area] for arms
    and seizing them.” Stephen P. Halbrook, Encroachments of the
    Crown on the Liberty of the Subject: Pre-Revolutionary Ori-
    gins of the Second Amendment, 
    15 U. Dayton L. Rev. 91
    , 105
    (1989). The Crown’s efforts to search and disarm colonists
    continued over the next two years. Indeed, “[t]he British at-
    tempt to seize or destroy the arms and ammunition at Lexing-
    ton triggered the” Revolutionary War. Halbrook, That Every
    Man Be Armed 62.
    Plus, the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratifiers understood that
    it would stop gun seizures. Before the Civil War, black people
    had been denied citizenship and, with it, the right “to keep and
    carry arms.” Dred Scott v. Sandford, 
    60 U.S. 393
    , 417 (1857).
    Though Dred Scott fell with the Confederacy, Southerners kept
    seizing the freedmen’s guns. Heller, 
    554 U.S. at 615
    . In Mis-
    sissippi, white militias “seized every gun and pistol found in
    the hands of the (so called) freedmen,” insisting that state law
    did not recognize their right to arms. Halbrook, That Every
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    Man Be Armed 117 (quoting a Harper’s Weekly column); ac-
    cord McDonald, 
    561 U.S. at 772
    . So too in South Carolina,
    where a former federal official reported similar seizures to
    Congress. H.R. Rep. No. 39-30, pt. 2, at 229 (1866), quoted in
    David B. Kopel, The Second Amendment in the Nineteenth
    Century, 
    1998 BYU L. Rev. 1359
    , 1447–48. As one senator
    put it, “the greatest outrages are perpetrated by armed men who
    go up and down the country searching houses, disarming peo-
    ple, committing outrages of every kind and description.” Cong.
    Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess. 915 (1866), quoted in McDonald,
    
    561 U.S. at 772
    .
    In response, the federal government took pains to explain
    to freedmen that “no military or civil officer ha[d] the right or
    authority to disarm” them. Stephen P. Halbrook, Freedmen, the
    Fourteenth Amendment, and the Right to Bear Arms, 1866–
    1876, at 19 (1998) (quoting a Freedmen’s Bureau circular).
    Against this backdrop, Congress passed the Freedmen’s
    Bureau Act of 1866 and the Civil Rights Act of 1871 to protect
    all citizens’ constitutional rights, including the right to arms.
    
    Id.
     The Fourteenth Amendment was designed to secure that
    right as well. McDonald, 
    561 U.S. at
    772–76.
    C. The narrow historical exceptions do not justify
    holding on to the guns
    As this history shows, the government may not ordinarily
    seize and hold on to weapons. There are few exceptions to that
    rule, and none applies here.
    For instance, the government may confiscate guns from
    those who have been convicted of serious crimes or committed
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    dangerous acts. Binderup v. Att’y Gen., 
    836 F.3d 336
    , 349 (3d
    Cir. 2016) (en banc) (plurality opinion), abrogated on other
    grounds by Bruen; see Heller, 
    554 U.S. at
    626–27 (dictum).
    But the parents have neither been convicted of any crime nor
    committed any dangerous act.
    The government may also seize and forfeit guns used to
    commit a crime. But that does not help the government here
    either. It first seized the parents’ guns under a warrant. But that
    warrant was tied to the son’s trial; as explained, its immunity
    ran out by the time the parents sued. And the government has
    not gotten and cannot get another warrant because it admits that
    there is no probable cause. So the parents had the right to keep
    the guns that they had lawfully bought and still lawfully
    owned. When the government took the parents’ guns and re-
    fused to return them, it burdened that right.
    Pushing back, the government cites other authority suggest-
    ing that seizures do not burden Second Amendment rights as
    long as citizens can “retain[ ] or acquir[e] other firearms.”
    Walters v. Wolf, 
    660 F.3d 307
    , 318 (8th Cir. 2011); see also
    Houston v. City of New Orleans, 
    675 F.3d 441
    , 445 (5th Cir.),
    vacated, 
    682 F.3d 361
     (5th Cir. 2012); Sutterfield v. City of
    Milwaukee, 
    751 F.3d 542
    , 571–72 (7th Cir. 2014); John L.
    Schwab & Thomas G. Sprankling, Houston, We Have a Prob-
    lem: Does the Second Amendment Create a Property Right to
    a Specific Firearm?, 112 Colum. L. Rev. Sidebar 158 (2012).
    The government notes that the Takings and Due Process
    Clauses more clearly protect private property. Walters, 
    660 F.3d at 317
    ; Schwab & Sprankling at 167–68. So, it suggests,
    the Second Amendment provides “not a property-like right to
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    a specific firearm,” but just a general right to buy guns. Hou-
    ston, 675 F.3d at 445.
    We disagree. We would never say the police may seize and
    keep printing presses so long as newspapers may replace them,
    or that they may seize and keep synagogues so long as wor-
    shippers may pray elsewhere. Just as those seizures and reten-
    tions can violate the First Amendment, seizing and holding on
    to guns can violate the Second. The Second Amendment may
    let the government outlaw specific types of weapons—perhaps
    “dangerous and unusual weapons.” Heller, 
    554 U.S. at 627
    (dicta); accord Bruen, 142 S. Ct. at 2143; Eugene Volokh, Im-
    plementing the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for Self-Defense:
    An Analytical Framework and a Research Agenda, 
    56 UCLA L. Rev. 1443
    , 1548 (2009). But as we have explained, it does
    forbid unjustifiable burdens on the right to “keep” one’s own
    arms.
    And that protection is not redundant of more property-fo-
    cused protections. For instance, the Takings Clause allows sei-
    zures so long as the government pays “just compensation.” But
    the Second Amendment appears to forbid “disarm[ing] private
    citizens” even if the government compensates those citizens
    for their property. Cf. Heller, 
    554 U.S. at
    591–92. The other
    guarantees do not prevent this one from applying too.
    IV. PENNSYLVANIA GAVE THE PARENTS DUE PROCESS
    Finally, the parents claim that the government violated their
    due process rights by holding on to their guns. They insist that
    they were entitled to process before the deprivation. And they
    say the deprivation happened when the government held on to
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    their guns after the criminal case, not when it first seized them.
    Thus, they claim that process was due after seizure but before
    retention.
    We disagree. True, we usually require that the government
    give process before it deprives people of their property.
    Zinermon v. Burch, 
    494 U.S. 113
    , 132 (1990). But if that is not
    “feasibl[e],” it may give process after the deprivation. 
    Id.
    The core of due process is an “opportunity to be heard at a
    meaningful time and in a meaningful manner.” Mathews v.
    Eldridge, 
    424 U.S. 319
    , 333 (1976) (internal quotation marks
    omitted). The parents got that opportunity here: They sought
    the return of their property under Pennsylvania Rule of Crimi-
    nal Procedure 588, the state analogue to Federal Rule of Crim-
    inal Procedure 41(g). Doing so entitled them to a hearing at
    which they could introduce evidence. Pa. R. Crim. P. 588(B).
    The hearing was conducted by a judge, and the parents had the
    assistance of a lawyer. They could have appealed that judge’s
    decision, but did not. See, e.g., Commonwealth v. Durham, 
    9 A.3d 641
    , 642 (Pa. Super. Ct. 2010).
    This process was all that was due under Mathews. See 
    424 U.S. at 335
    . The parents’ Second Amendment right makes their
    private interest substantial. But the extensive process mini-
    mized the risk of erroneous deprivation. So Pennsylvania’s
    scheme is “constitutionally adequate.” Zinermon, 
    494 U.S. at 126
    .
    The parents parry with two out-of-circuit cases, yet neither
    saves their claim. One case rejected a post-deprivation replevin
    suit as inadequate. But it did so because Missouri made the gun
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    owner sue in four counties. Lathon v. City of St. Louis, 
    242 F.3d 841
    , 844 (8th Cir. 2001). Pennsylvania, by contrast, lets own-
    ers simply file a motion. Pa. R. Crim. P. 588. The other case
    did hold that post-deprivation tort suits are generally inade-
    quate. Walters, 
    660 F.3d at 313
    . But the Eighth Circuit has
    since walked that case back. Mickelson v. Cnty. of Ramsey, 
    823 F.3d 918
    , 928–29 (8th Cir. 2016).
    Because it was infeasible to give process before depriva-
    tion, and because the process the parents got was robust, we
    will affirm the District Court on this point.
    V. THE PARENTS MAY NOT SEEK DAMAGES
    AGAINST THE STATE POLICE
    The Pennsylvania State Police is an arm of the Common-
    wealth of Pennsylvania. So the parents may not sue the police
    for money damages. Ex parte Young, 
    209 U.S. 123
    , 151
    (1908). All they may seek is an injunction. See 
    id. at 159
    ; Oral
    Arg. Tr. 3:25–4:12 (conceding the point).
    In reaching this conclusion, we hold that states must specif-
    ically authorize takings claims for compensation. True, Con-
    gress has authorized takings suits against states. See Knick v.
    Twp. of Scott, 
    139 S. Ct. 2162
    , 2168, 2176–77 (2019). But that
    does not mean that plaintiffs may seek compensation. That is
    because the Takings Clause, as incorporated against the states,
    did not alter the states’ traditional immunity from federal suits,
    at least if state courts remain open to hear these claims. Skate-
    more, Inc. v. Whitmer, 
    40 F.4th 727
    , 734–35 (6th Cir. 2022);
    Williams v. Utah Dep’t of Corr., 
    928 F.3d 1209
    , 1214 (10th
    Cir. 2019) (collecting cases). Pennsylvania’s Eminent Domain
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    Code opens its state courts to takings claims. Knick, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2168
    . Unless Pennsylvania decides that it prefers to pay
    damages to compensate owners for takings, federal plaintiffs
    like the parents may get only a declaration and injunction re-
    quiring the state to return their property.
    *****
    The police understandably seized the parents’ guns in 2014
    while a killer was still at large. But he has long since been cap-
    tured and convicted, and his conviction has been affirmed. The
    judicial warrant does not authorize keeping the guns past this
    point. The Constitution requires the officials who are holding
    on to the guns to pay the parents just compensation and bars
    them from keeping the guns indefinitely. So we will reverse
    the District Court’s dismissal of the Takings and Second
    Amendment claims. But because the parents got enough
    process, we will affirm the dismissal of their procedural-due-
    process claim.
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