Stramaski v. Lawley ( 2022 )


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  •         United States Court of Appeals
    for the Fifth Circuit                                 United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    FILED
    August 11, 2022
    No. 20-20607                          Lyle W. Cayce
    Clerk
    Eva Kristine Stramaski,
    Plaintiff—Appellee,
    versus
    Mark Lawley, Individually,
    Defendant—Appellant.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Southern District of Texas
    USDC No. 4:20-CV-156
    Before Elrod, Southwick, and Costa, Circuit Judges.
    Leslie H. Southwick, Circuit Judge:
    Eva Stramaski claims her employment was terminated in retaliation
    for complaining she was going to be paid late. She filed a complaint against a
    department head within the Texas A&M Engineering Station, Dr. Mark
    Lawley, in his individual capacity, alleging he violated the anti-retaliation
    provision of the Fair Labor Standards Act. Lawley moved to dismiss
    Stramaski’s retaliation claim because the suit was barred by sovereign
    immunity, and in the alternative, that he was entitled to qualified immunity.
    The district court determined that neither immunity applied. We agree as to
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    sovereign immunity but VACATE and REMAND as to qualified
    immunity.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    Eva Stramaski was employed as an Academic Advisor by Texas A&M
    University through the Texas A&M Engineering Experiment Station
    (“TEES”). She had recently returned from leave due to a surgical procedure
    when, on January 30, 2019, a TEES employee informed Stramaski that she
    would not be paid on time unless she submitted a second doctor’s note that
    would release her back to work. Stramaski requested the second note but also
    spoke with TEES’s Associate Director of Human Resources, Nicole
    Pottberg, to ensure she would be paid on time. Pottberg told Stramaski that
    she would be timely paid.
    The next day, Stramaski received an e-mail from a man named Huff
    (whom the record does not otherwise identify) informing her she would not
    be paid in full for five or six days, even though her pay was finalized. On
    February 1, Stramaski went to Huff’s office on an unrelated matter and again
    addressed her payment schedule. She confirmed with him that she would
    not be paid for five or six days from then. Huff also confirmed this timeline
    with the Assistant Dean for Finance. After this confirmation, Stramaski
    informed Huff that “she needed to be paid on time, as it was her legal right.”
    Stramaski then went directly to Human Resources to speak with
    someone about her potentially late pay. She spoke with an employee who
    ensured her that her “check would be cut within a few hours, and that she
    would be paid on time.” Stramaski was timely paid.
    Soon after Stramaski received this check, Dr. Mark Lawley, head of
    the Department of Industrial and Systems Engineering within TEES, entered
    Stramaski’s office and told her she “was being aggressive with regard to
    being paid on time” and sent her home for the day. On February 13, Lawley
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    issued Stramaski a coaching letter detailing allegations against her from
    August to September 2018. Stramaski submitted a memo disputing those
    allegations on February 20. Two weeks later, on March 7, 2019, Lawley
    terminated Stramaski’s employment.
    In January 2020, Stramaski filed suit against Lawley in the United
    States District Court, Southern District of Texas. Lawley was sued only in
    his individual capacity for an alleged violation of the Fair Labor Standards
    Act (“FLSA”). See 
    29 U.S.C. § 215
    (a)(3).         Stramaski claimed she was
    wrongfully terminated in retaliation for complaining that she would not be
    timely paid for a particular pay period. She sought injunctive and declaratory
    relief as well as damages.
    Lawley moved to dismiss Stramaski’s claims under Federal Rules of
    Civil Procedure 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6). He argued her suit was barred under
    the Eleventh Amendment and, in the alternative, that he was entitled to
    qualified immunity.          The magistrate judge issued a report and
    recommendation on the motion. The district court adopted the magistrate
    judge’s recommendation and granted Lawley’s motion to dismiss the claims
    for injunctive and declaratory relief due to a lack of standing. The district
    court refused to dismiss the claims for damages, finding neither the Eleventh
    Amendment nor qualified immunity applied. Lawley timely appealed.
    DISCUSSION
    Denials of sovereign immunity and qualified immunity are both
    reviewed de novo. Corn v. Miss. Dep’t of Pub. Safety, 
    954 F.3d 268
    , 273 (5th
    Cir. 2020); Morgan v. Swanson, 
    659 F.3d 359
    , 370 (5th Cir. 2011). Absent
    waiver, the immunity of a state from suit as signified by, but not fully
    expressed in, the Eleventh Amendment is a jurisdictional barrier. Corn, 954
    F.3d at 274, 276.       We therefore start by considering the Eleventh
    Amendment. After concluding that there is jurisdiction, we evaluate the
    applicability of qualified immunity to Stramaski’s FLSA claim.
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    I.     Eleventh Amendment
    Lawley argues this suit is barred by the Eleventh Amendment because
    the state is the “real party in interest.” See Pennhurst State Sch. & Hosp. v.
    Halderman, 
    465 U.S. 89
    , 101 (1984). He contends Stramaski’s suit is only
    nominally against him in his individual capacity but in fact is against the state
    because all the relief Stramaski seeks will ultimately come from TEES, her
    state employer.
    Generally, the Eleventh Amendment does not bar suits against
    governmental officials in their individual capacities, but “where the state is
    the real and substantial party in interest, the Eleventh Amendment may bar
    the suit.” Modica v. Taylor, 
    465 F.3d 174
    , 183 (5th Cir. 2006). Whether the
    state is the real party in interest depends on the circumstances of the case.
    
    Id.
     We begin our analysis of the relevant circumstances by discussing one of
    our precedents involving a different but related statute — the Family and
    Medical Leave Act (“FMLA”).
    In Modica, we held that the definition of covered employers in the
    FMLA and the FLSA are “very similar.” 
    Id. at 186
    . We are one of several
    courts to hold that the term “employer” should be interpreted the same in
    both statutes. 
    Id.
     at 186–87. Thus, because Congress “chose to make the
    definition of employer materially identical” in these two acts, the FMLA
    offers “the best guidance” to inform our analysis of the same terms in the
    FLSA. See 
    id. at 196
     (quotation marks and citation omitted).
    Our Modica decision relied on the statutory definition of employer in
    the FMLA to conclude that the “plain language of the FMLA permits public
    employees to be held individually liable.” 
    Id. at 187
    . FMLA-covered
    employers include “any person who acts, directly or indirectly, in the interest
    of an employer to any of the employees of such employer.”                     
    29 U.S.C. § 2611
    (4)(A)(ii)(I).      We     explained    that   this   language    is
    straightforwardly read to allow public employees to be held individually liable
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    so long as they “act[], directly or indirectly, in the interest of an employer.”
    Modica, 
    465 F.3d at
    184–86. Our conclusion necessarily followed that the
    state-employed supervisor who allegedly retaliated against Modica could be
    liable in her individual capacity under the FMLA. 
    Id. at 187
    .
    The FLSA’s “employer” definition is nearly identical. It covers
    any person acting directly or indirectly in the interest of an
    employer in relation to an employee and includes a public
    agency, but does not include any labor organization (other than
    when acting as an employer) or anyone acting in the capacity of
    officer or agent of such labor organization.
    
    29 U.S.C. § 203
    (d). We thus interpret the FLSA as we have the FMLA.
    When a defendant employee was “acting directly or indirectly in the interest
    of an employer in relation to an employee,” that defendant may be subject to
    liability in an individual capacity. See Modica, 
    465 F.3d at 186
    .
    Before proceeding too far in addressing individual capacity suits under
    the FLSA, we need to inject some cautionary principles. The portion of the
    Modica opinion addressing FMLA liability dealt with a claim by an employee
    of a Texas state agency. See 
    id.
     at 177–78. Among Modica’s claims was one
    against agency Executive Director Humphrey for terminating her in alleged
    retaliation for seeking FMLA leave. 
    Id. at 178
    . When considering defendant
    Humphrey’s argument that the claim was actually against the state, we first
    cited one of our precedents in which we held that the FMLA claims in that
    suit brought by an employee of a Louisiana state agency were clearly against
    the state. 
    Id.
     at 183 (citing Kazmier v. Widmann, 
    225 F.3d 519
    , 533 n.65 (5th
    Cir. 2000), abrogated on other grounds by Nevada Dep’t of Hum. Res. v. Hibbs,
    
    538 U.S. 721
     (2003)). The entire analysis of why the suit was actually against
    the state was in a footnote, where we cited a Supreme Court decision in which
    a suit “nominally against an officer” was held actually to be against the state.
    Kazmier, 
    225 F.3d at
    533 n.65 (quoting Pennhurst, 
    465 U.S. at 101
    ). The
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    Modica opinion did not distinguish Kazmier in any meaningful way, but we
    suggested two reasons not to apply it. See Modica, 
    465 F.3d at
    183–87.
    The first reason was that when deciding whether the Eleventh
    Amendment bars a suit because it is actually against a state, the
    circumstances of the case are determinative. 
    Id. at 183
    . We discussed in a
    parenthetical the circumstances of another circuit’s decision that led it to
    conclude that an FLSA suit, though brought against a state employee
    individually, was actually against the state. 
    Id.
     (citing Luder v. Endicott, 
    253 F.3d 1020
    , 1024–25 (7th Cir. 2001)). We summarized the other circuit’s
    holding this way:
    the state would be required to pay damages to the 145 plaintiffs
    and concluding that casting the suit, brought under the Fair
    Labor Standards Act, as one against the officers in their
    individual capacities was a “transparent[ ] effort at an end run
    around the Eleventh Amendment.”
    
    Id.
     (quoting Luder, 
    253 F.3d at
    1024–25). The facts in Luder were nothing
    like those of Modica, which involved a single employee’s claim against her
    supervisor. See 
    id.
     at 177–78. Rather, it was the way the Modica opinion
    emphasized that the facts matter that is important. To be clear, Kazmier did
    not mention Luder, nor were the facts of Kazmier similar to Luder.
    The second reason the Modica court used to avoid applying Kazmier
    is that it could be inconsistent with earlier, and thus controlling, Fifth Circuit
    precedents that the Eleventh Amendment does not bar suits against state
    officials in their individual capacities. 
    Id.
     at 183 (citing Hudson v. City of New
    Orleans, 
    174 F.3d 677
    , 687 n.7 (5th Cir. 1999); Martin v. Thomas, 
    973 F.2d 449
    , 458 (5th Cir. 1992)). Yet, we read neither of the cited precedents as
    establishing an absolute rule relevant here.
    The first case, Hudson, is neither an FLSA nor an FMLA case, as it
    was brought under Section 1983. Hudson, 
    174 F.3d at 679
    . Hudson is one of
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    our foundational decisions on the Eleventh Amendment, in which we
    restated — and for the first time enumerated — six factors for when suit
    against a governmental defendant was prohibited by the Eleventh
    Amendment. 
    Id.
     (applying factors from Clark v. Tarrant Cnty., 
    798 F.2d 736
    ,
    744–45 (5th Cir. 1986)). Relevant here is that Hudson made this observation:
    “The Eleventh Amendment does not come into play in personal capacity
    suits, . . . and the existence of an indemnification statute promising to pay
    judgments when an officer is sued in his individual capacity does not extend
    the Eleventh Amendment’s protections around the officer.” 
    Id.
     at 687 n.7
    (internal citations omitted). The Hudson court stated that indemnification is
    “only an agreement between the state and these individuals and cannot
    thereby be converted into an extension of Eleventh Amendment immunity
    by the state.” 
    Id.
     (quoting Downing v. Williams, 
    624 F.2d 612
    , 626 (5th Cir.
    1980), vacated on panel reh’g on other grounds, 
    645 F.2d 1226
     (5th Cir. 1981)).
    Indemnification, statutory or otherwise, is not involved in the case before us.
    The second case the Modica court cited as raising doubts about
    Kazmier made a general statement that “[t]he Eleventh Amendment does
    not bar suits against officials in their individual capacities.” Martin, 
    973 F.2d at 458
    . There was no consideration in Martin of the effect of a situation such
    as in Luder, in which any liability imposed on the named individual defendant
    would be shifted to the state itself. See 
    id.
     What Luder held and Kazmier
    embraced is that cases brought against an individual state employee may
    actually be against the state. We see no unavoidable conflict between
    Kazmier and the older precedents of Hudson and Martin. Nonetheless, the
    facts of Kazmier are hardly Luder-ite — in Kazmier, a Louisiana
    governmental department fired a single employee for reasons that allegedly
    violated the FMLA. Kazmier, 
    225 F.3d at
    522–23. Regardless, what is
    important in our analysis is that Kazmier properly held that the fact a plaintiff
    brings a suit against a state employee solely in that employee’s individual
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    capacity does not eliminate the Eleventh Amendment as a possible defense.
    
    Id. at 523
    , 533 n.65. The facts matter.
    Our conclusion that there is a place in our jurisprudence for holding
    that a suit nominally against an individual state employee is actually against
    the state was also the opinion of another panel of this court after Modica. See
    Henley v. Simpson, 
    527 F. App’x 303
    , 304, 308 (5th Cir. 2013). Though
    unpublished and not a precedent, the opinion’s analysis is worthy of our
    review. Of some note, perhaps, the same judge who authored both Modica
    and Hudson was on the Henley panel, suggesting a fair potential for
    consistency in the three opinions.         In Henley, five former Mississippi
    Highway Patrol officers whose duties included using and caring for police
    canines, initially brought suit under the FLSA against the state agency in
    charge of the Highway Patrol. 
    Id. at 304
    . The commissioner of the state
    department overseeing the Highway Patrol and the director of the Highway
    Patrol were added to the suit in their individual and official capacities after
    the agency itself sought dismissal based on the Eleventh Amendment. 
    Id.
    The district court dismissed the state agency and the official capacity
    claim against the commissioner and the director because the claims were
    barred under the Eleventh Amendment. 
    Id.
     The district court cited Modica’s
    holding that suits against state employees in their individual capacities are
    not barred by the Eleventh Amendment; the court also stated, though, that
    the Luder analysis was “somewhat appealing.” Henley v. Simpson, No. 3:10-
    CV-590, 
    2012 WL 3017812
    , at *3 (S.D. Miss. July 23, 2012). What was
    “appealing” was that suits which were “transparently an effort at an end run
    around the Eleventh Amendment” by suing a state employee and not the
    state should also be dismissed. 
    Id.
     (quoting Luder, 
    253 F.3d at 1025
    ). The
    district court left it for this court to decide whether to add that consideration
    to our Eleventh Amendment caselaw. That is just what the panel did on
    appeal.
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    Our Henley panel identified the controlling issue as whether
    Mississippi was “the real party in interest.” 527 F. App’x at 305. On the
    one hand, if the individual state employees will be personally liable for the
    judgment — even if indemnified by the state — then the Eleventh
    Amendment is inapplicable. Id. at 305–06. The panel then, as did Kazmier,
    discussed situations in which the individual was simply a nominal defendant
    and the “judgment sought would expend itself on the public treasury . . . or
    [] compel [the State] to act.” Id. at 306 (alteration in original) (quoting
    Pennhurst, 
    465 U.S. at
    101 n.11).         In those situations, the Eleventh
    Amendment was a bar. 
    Id.
    The Henley panel then made a distinction that is key for us. The claim
    there concerned “the State’s compensation policy and whether [the state
    employees’] caring for, and training, service canines resulted in an accrual of
    overtime hours.” Id. at 307. The individual defendants “nether signed nor
    promulgated” the policy manual, but they were obligated to enforce it. Id.
    Thus, the individual defendants did not act wrongfully under state law. Id.
    at 307–08. At most, the policy promulgated by the state itself violated federal
    wage and hour laws. Id. A successful suit against the commissioner and the
    director, therefore, would evade the Eleventh Amendment for what was in
    fact a complaint about what the state had done. Id. at 305.
    Quite differently, in the current case, Stramaski is claiming that the
    defendant retaliated specifically against her for complaints she was making
    about a possible delay in being paid. At least in the usual case, a claim of
    retaliation is not going to be a challenge to a state policy simply being
    implemented by a supervisor employee.
    The Henley panel did go further than this distinction, though, by
    concluding that “payment of any wages owed Plaintiffs must ultimately come
    from the State treasury (indeed, Defendants may not have the ability to
    pay).” Id. at 307. That might be a categorical recasting of FLSA claims for
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    lost wages as claims against the state. At least in the context of a retaliation
    case on facts such as in the case before us, we conclude that the FLSA does
    provide a remedy against an individual employer for lost wages.
    We also acknowledge that the Seventh Circuit Luder opinion does not
    mirror Henley. The Luder case did not clearly involve an official state policy
    that caused the possible FLSA violations. That court’s factual account was
    that a prison warden forced defendant prison employees to work before and
    after their shifts without pay in order to perform such tasks as checking
    equipment and briefing the next shift of workers. Luder, 
    253 F.3d at 1022
    .
    There is no discussion in the opinion of whether that was official state policy,
    as in Henley. The 145 plaintiffs in Luder sought minimum wage for those
    hours, beginning three years before suit was filed. 
    Id. at 1024
    . The court
    remarked on the likely impossibility that the warden and the three other
    defendants would be able to pay such a judgment, with the potential for
    bankruptcy. 
    Id.
     The Seventh Circuit concluded that the effect of the suit
    was the same as a suit against the state, because the practical effect would be
    that the state would have to pay the judgment or else the state could not
    attract individuals to the supervisory positions such as being a warden at a
    prison. 
    Id.
     In effect, the Seventh Circuit concluded that the real, substantial
    party in interest will be the state when the claims are too large for an
    individual to be able to pay. 
    Id. at 1024
    .
    The current suit does not present such a doomsday scenario for
    potential state individual “employers.” This is a single-plaintiff, retaliation
    case in which the defendant is said to have terminated her for complaining
    about a delay in receiving her pay.
    We return, now, to where we started with Modica’s uncertainty about
    the validity of Kazmier as an across-the-board holding that a suit against a
    state employee individually should be converted into one against the state.
    We conclude that Kazmier went beyond controlling precedent if that is what
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    it meant. At least in the retaliation context of this case, we will not recast the
    claims as being against the state as the real, substantial party in interest. We
    also interpret Modica and Kazmier as properly recognizing, though, that
    sometimes a suit against an individual state employee under the FLSA or
    FMLA will actually be against the state. The potential financial liability
    arising from the Seventh Circuit Luder facts was extreme, but we are not
    called on in this case to address individual liability arising on similar facts.
    Holding public officials individually liable for retaliation under the
    FLSA also is consistent with our prior holdings regarding individual liability
    in other FLSA contexts.         Some of those opinions did not make the
    distinctions we have here, but we need not sort through all such issues in
    order to resolve the present appeal. We have held, for example, that
    governmental employees can be sued in their individual capacity for FLSA
    violations generally, such as for failure to pay overtime wages. Lee v.
    Coahoma Cnty., 
    937 F.2d 220
    , 226 (5th Cir. 1991). We explained that
    “individual[s] with managerial responsibilities” could be held jointly and
    severally liable for damages if the individual failed to comply with the FLSA
    because that kind of employee fit within the FLSA’s definition of
    “employer.” 
    Id.
     In Lee, we recognized that a sheriff “clearly f[ell] within”
    that definition and therefore could be individually liable. 
    Id.
    Lawley, as a department head within TEES, is someone who at least
    at times acts “directly or indirectly in the interest of an employer” regarding
    employees. Further, the actions Stramaski identifies as retaliation are those
    Lawley committed. Stramaski does not challenge a TEES policy or other
    state-initiated action. Instead, she complains of the actions Lawley took
    specifically against her. The circumstances of the suit therefore show Lawley
    is the true party in interest. Accordingly, Stramaski’s suit is not barred by
    sovereign immunity, and she can bring her retaliation claim against Lawley in
    his individual capacity.
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    II.    Qualified Immunity
    The parties have assumed that the doctrine of qualified immunity
    applies to claims brought under the FLSA. Starting from that premise, their
    differing arguments address the doctrine. Our starting point is a conviction
    that substantial analysis is necessary before deciding if qualified immunity
    ever applies to the FLSA. Nonetheless, because neither party has disputed
    the relevance of that doctrine, perhaps any contrary notion has been waived.
    Whether waiver applies in this court due to the absence of argument
    by either party depends on the nature of the issue. If the issue of whether a
    qualified immunity defense is implied by or otherwise exists under a federal
    statute is a question of statutory interpretation, then this court is required to
    discern statutory meaning regardless of party argument. See Young v. United
    Parcel Serv., Inc., 
    575 U.S. 206
    , 227–28 (2015). Further, regardless of the
    category in which to place the unasked question of whether the doctrine even
    applies, we may use our “independent power to identify and apply the proper
    construction of governing law” to any “issue or claim [that] is properly
    before the court, . . . not limited to the particular legal theories advanced by
    the parties.” Kamen v. Kemper Fin. Servs., Inc., 
    500 U.S. 90
    , 99 (1991). We
    conclude that regardless of whether the applicability of qualified immunity to
    the FLSA is a statutory-construction issue or whether it is simply too critical
    to ignore in this case, we will address it. See Texas Off. of Pub. Util. Couns. v.
    FCC, 
    183 F.3d 393
    , 440 n.86 (5th Cir. 1999) (explaining the court’s decision
    to analyze a constitutional issue not raised by any party on the appeal).
    We discover no Fifth Circuit opinion that holds qualified immunity is
    a defense under the FLSA. We also find very little discussion in opinions
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    from other circuits and none from the Supreme Court. 1 See, e.g., Lang v. Pa.
    Higher Educ. Assistance Agency, 
    610 F. App’x 158
    , 160, 162–63 (3d Cir. 2015)
    (remanding for district court to reevaluate qualified immunity defense to
    FLSA claim). We have, though, determined that qualified immunity applies
    to FMLA claims. See, e.g., Bryant v. Tex. Dep’t of Aging & Disability Servs.,
    
    781 F.3d 764
    , 770–71 (5th Cir. 2015) (applying qualified immunity to FMLA
    interference claim); Rutland v. Pepper, 
    404 F.3d 921
    , 924 (5th Cir. 2005)
    (holding the district court “should have granted [defendant] summary
    judgment based on qualified immunity” because plaintiff failed to allege
    FMLA violation); see also Darby v. Bratch, 
    287 F.3d 673
    , 681–82 & n.13 (8th
    Cir. 2002) (rejecting qualified immunity defense because FMLA creates
    clearly established rights but stating defendant did not raise argument
    regarding application of qualified immunity because of uncertainty in its
    application to public officials).
    In light of the absence of any briefing on this foundational point, and
    because the analysis we set out indicates there are complexities involved for
    which briefing is needed prior to any decision, we will only identify some of
    the analysis that is necessary without reaching a conclusion. Because of our
    subsequent determination that qualified immunity would be available on
    these facts if it is available for this statute, we remand so the parties and the
    district court can make the initial resolution of whether the defense applies
    to the FLSA.
    We set out the principles for the availability of qualified immunity
    under a statute. It is applicable to a congressional enactment when two
    1
    The Supreme Court made clear more than two decades ago that sovereign
    immunity applied to claims brought against states under the FLSA. See Alden v. Maine, 
    527 U.S. 706
    , 712 (1999). No issue of qualified immunity as a defense by an individual
    defendant was involved in the case. It is Alden that makes a claimant’s only option under
    the FLSA to sue another state employee in an individual capacity.
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    conditions exist: (1) “the tradition of immunity was so firmly rooted in the
    common law” and (2) is “supported by such strong policy reasons that
    Congress would have specifically so provided had it wished to abolish the
    doctrine.” Wyatt v. Cole, 
    504 U.S. 158
    , 163–64 (1992) (quotation marks and
    citation omitted) (holding that qualified immunity applies to claims under
    Section 1983)). The Wyatt Court held it necessary to analyze “whether there
    was an immunity at common law that Congress intended to incorporate”
    implicitly into the statute in question; in making the determination, “we look
    to the most closely analogous torts” in the common law compared to the
    conduct covered by the statute. 
    Id. at 164
    .
    Were there analogous torts in the common law? Did Congress
    “intend” to incorporate concepts of qualified immunity when it explicitly
    created a more limited defense of good faith in the FLSA? For example, a
    good faith following of administrative rulings on the meaning of the FLSA
    will bar an action for a violation of the Act. 
    29 U.S.C. § 259
    . Further, any
    employer who can show that the violation of the FLSA was committed “in
    good faith and that he had reasonable grounds for believing that his act or
    omission was not a violation” will not be liable for liquidated damages in
    addition to actual damages. 
    Id.
     § 260. We will not go further with setting out
    the difficulties, which may not be insurmountable, of applying qualified
    immunity to the FLSA. Certainly, though, there are difficulties. The initial
    resolution of the issue is for the district court.
    When qualified immunity applies, it “shields officials from civil
    liability so long as their conduct ‘does not violate clearly established statutory
    or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known.’”
    Mullenix v. Luna, 
    577 U.S. 7
    , 11 (2015) (quoting Pearson v. Callahan, 
    555 U.S. 223
    , 231 (2009)). A plaintiff can overcome the defense by showing (1) “that
    the official violated a statutory or constitutional right” and (2) that “the right
    was clearly established at the time of the challenged conduct.” Voss v. Goode,
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    954 F.3d 234
    , 238 (5th Cir. 2020). A clearly established right is a right that
    is “sufficiently clear that every reasonable official would [have understood]
    that what he is doing violates that right.” Reichle v. Howards, 
    566 U.S. 658
    ,
    664 (2012) (alterations in original) (quotation marks and citation omitted).
    In assessing whether the defendant violated a clearly established right, we
    must ask “not only whether courts have recognized the existence of a
    particular constitutional right, but also . . . whether that right has been defined
    with sufficient clarity to enable a reasonable official to assess the lawfulness
    of his conduct.” Morgan, 
    659 F.3d at 372
     (alteration in original) (citation
    omitted).
    We now examine the facts as to whether, if available under the FLSA,
    qualified immunity would apply. The district court accepted the magistrate
    judge’s conclusion that Stramaski’s claim is that she was terminated for
    insisting that she be timely paid. We have held that a violation of a much
    earlier version of the FLSA occurs when “an employer on any regular
    payment date fails to pay the full amount of the minimum wages and overtime
    compensation due an employee.” Atlantic Co. v. Broughton, 
    146 F.2d 480
    ,
    482 (5th Cir. 1944). For purposes of our analysis in this case, we accept that
    as a fair reading of the obligation.
    For Stramaski’s retaliation claims, she must have plausibly alleged
    that her discharge was because she “filed any complaint or instituted or
    caused to be instituted any proceeding under or related to this chapter.” 
    29 U.S.C. § 215
    (a)(3). No complaint was filed in the sense of a formal, written
    statement. We have held that some informal complaints about FLSA
    violations may suffice, but they have to be more than “abstract grumblings or
    vague expressions of discontent.” See Hagan v. Echostar Satellite, L.L.C., 
    529 F.3d 617
    , 626 (5th Cir. 2008) (quotation marks and citation omitted). Among
    other requirements, there must be assertions that the challenged conduct is
    or would be unlawful. 
    Id.
     Here, Stramaski insisted that she has a “legal
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    right” to be paid on time. Thus, much of what is required by our caselaw is
    satisfied here.
    There is a question, though, arising from the fact that Stramaski never
    complained about not being timely paid. In fact, she received her wages for
    the relevant time period on the proper date. Instead, her claim is that she
    suffered retaliation because she complained about being told that her next
    paycheck would be late. Whether her complaints made the difference or not,
    the prospect of late wages did not materialize. Thus, the issue under qualified
    immunity is whether discharging an employee when the employee insists that
    a violation of law not occur in the future, and the violation did not in fact
    occur, can constitute retaliation under the FLSA.             It is that factual
    permutation that causes us to conclude that there is no clearly established
    law, with a sufficient degree of specificity, that Stramaski’s termination was
    a violation of the FLSA.
    We will mention the defendant’s separate argument that the law also
    was not clearly established that an individual supervisory state employee like
    Lawley could be held personally liable under the FLSA. Even if that was
    uncertain, and we do not conclude it was, any uncertainty about the liability
    that would arise for violating someone’s certain rights is not the proper focus.
    Whether a lawsuit can follow, i.e., whether liability can be imposed, from
    someone’s actions is an entirely separate question from whether it is clearly
    established that someone’s actions were objectively reasonable at the time
    they occurred. In other words, the concern is whether, at the time that the
    relevant acts occurred, the future defendant’s actions violated a clear right of
    a future plaintiff. See Brown v. Callahan, 
    623 F.3d 249
    , 253 (5th Cir. 2010).
    We have been shown no caselaw that supports that the prospective defendant
    needs to know all the repercussions of a knowing violation of someone’s
    right. It is enough that the right being violated is clear.
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    Based on this analysis, Stramaski’s claim would be barred by qualified
    immunity because she does not allege that Lawley violated a clearly
    established law. However, the antecedent question is whether qualified
    immunity applies to the FLSA to begin with. We therefore remand for the
    district court to decide this question in the first instance. Montano v. Texas,
    
    867 F.3d 540
    , 546 (5th Cir. 2017) (“[A] court of appeals sits as a court of
    review, not of first view.’” (citation omitted)). 2
    In summary, we affirm the rejection of sovereign immunity as a
    defense. We AFFIRM the denial of the defense of sovereign immunity. We
    VACATE the judgment denying the defense of qualified immunity and
    REMAND for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
    2
    If qualified immunity does not apply to the FLSA, and Lawley is found liable,
    Stramaski may recover lost wages and damages from him, but not relief that can be provided
    only by the state, like employee benefits and continued employment with TEES. A suit for
    lost benefits, even if brought against Lawley, would actually be a suit against the state, see
    Modica, 
    465 F.3d at 183
    , which we have held is barred here by sovereign immunity.
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    Gregg Costa, Circuit Judge, concurring:
    It says something about how much qualified immunity dominates
    section 1983 litigation that everyone in the district court—the experienced
    lawyers and judges alike—assumed the immunity exists whenever a public
    official is sued. But qualified immunity is not some “brooding omnipresence
    in the sky” that automatically attaches in any suit. See S. Pac. Co. v. Jensen,
    
    244 U.S. 205
    , 222 (1917) (Holmes, J., dissenting). Rather, it is a defense that
    must be found in the governing statute. See Wyatt v. Cole, 
    504 U.S. 158
    , 163
    (1992). So whether the FLSA contains an immunity defense is a question of
    statutory interpretation.
    And in a textualist world, recognizing an immunity defense when the
    words of the statute do not provide one is an extraordinary act of
    interpretation. Courts should read an immunity defense into a statute only
    “if the ‘tradition of immunity was so firmly rooted in the common law and
    was supported by such strong policy reasons that ‘Congress would have
    specifically so provided had it wished to abolish the doctrine.” Wyatt, 
    504 U.S. at
    163–64 (quoting Owen v. City of Independence, 
    445 U.S. 622
    , 637
    (1980)). 1   Given this stringent inquiry, it is no surprise that qualified
    immunity is “typically invoked” in constitutional tort cases under section
    1983 and Bivens, causes of action “largely ‘devised by the Supreme Court
    without any legislative . . . guidance.’” Berry v. Funk, 
    146 F.3d 1003
    , 1013
    1
    Justice Kennedy’s concurring opinion in Wyatt, seemingly the controlling opinion
    as only four justices signed on to Justice O’Connor’s opinion, casts doubt on the role of
    “policy reasons” in determining if an immunity defense exists. See 
    504 U.S. at
    170–72
    (Kennedy, concurring). It is not clear, however, that his opinion overrules the policy
    considerations relied on in earlier cases. See 
    id. at 171
     (“We need not decide whether or
    not it was appropriate for the Court in Harlow to depart from history in the name of public
    policy, reshaping immunity doctrines in light of those policy considerations.”). What
    Justice Kennedy’s opinion makes certain, however, is that common-law immunities for
    analogous claims must have existed when Congress enacted a statute because implicitly
    recognizing an immunity defense is “devising limitations to a remedial statute, enacted by
    the Congress, which ‘on its face does not provide for any immunities.” 
    Id.
     (quoting Malley
    v. Briggs, 
    475 U.S. 335
    , 342 (1986)).
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    (D.C. Cir. 1998) (quoting Crawford-El v. Britton, 
    93 F.3d 813
    , 832 (D.C. Cir.
    1996) (en banc) (Siberman, J., concurring)). After all, when Congress creates
    specific statutory defenses—which it did not do when enacting section 1983
    in the Civil Rights Act of 1871—it likely does not intend to incorporate
    general common law defenses as well. See 
    id.
    While the Supreme Court has found a sufficient common law
    immunity to read in qualified immunity case a defense to constitutional torts,
    lower courts have found no similar tradition for rights created by some
    statutes. For example, we found no qualified immunity for retaliation suits
    under the False Claims Act. See Samuel v.
    Holmes, 138
     F.3d 173, 178 (5th Cir.
    1998) (Reavley, J.). Other courts have rejected immunity defenses under the
    antifraud provisions of the False Claims Act, United States ex rel. Citynet,
    LLC v. Gianato, 
    962 F.3d 154
    , 159–60 (4th Cir. 2020); United States ex rel.
    Parikh v. Citizens Med. Ctr., 
    977 F. Supp. 2d 654
    , 678–86 (S.D. Tex. 2013),
    and under statutes as varied as the Wiretap Act, see Berry, 
    146 F.3d at
    1013–
    14, the Civil Rights Act, see Carl v. Angelone, 
    883 F. Supp. 1433
    , 1436–37 (D.
    Nev. 1995); and the Stored Communications Act, see Hepting v. AT&T Corp.,
    
    439 F. Supp. 2d 974
    , 1006–09 (N.D. Cal. 2006).
    That said, courts have found immunity defenses to some statutory
    claims. See, e.g., Tapley v. Collins, 
    211 F.3d 1210
    , 1214–17 (11th Cir. 2000)
    (finding immunity defense under Wiretap Act); Blake v. Wright, 
    179 F.3d 1003
    , 1011–13 (6th Cir. 1999) (same); Lue v. Moore, 
    43 F.3d 1203
    , 1205 (8th
    Cir. 1994) (same for Rehabilitation Act); Gonzalez v. Lee Cnty. Hous. Auth.,
    
    161 F.3d 1290
    , 1299–1300 & n.31 (11th Cir. 1998) (same for Fair Housing
    Act). Those cases, however, wrongly assume that immunity is the default
    and exists unless Congress states otherwise. See, e.g., Tapley, 211 F.3d at 1214
    (“[T]he defense of qualified immunity is so well established, that if Congress
    wishes to abrogate it, Congress should specifically say so.”). The same
    reasoning characterizes our decision recognizing an immunity defense under
    the Family and Medical Leave Act. See Bryant v. Tex. Dep’t of Aging &
    Disability Servs., 
    781 F.3d 764
    , 770–71 (5th Cir. 2015)
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    But the Supreme Court’s instruction on how to evaluate the
    availability of qualified immunity is different. To find an atextual immunity
    defense, the court must conduct a statute-specific analysis to determine if
    common-law immunity from suit was “firmly rooted” as a protection against
    a closely analogous tort. Wyatt, 
    504 U.S. at
    164–65; 
    id. at 171
     (Kennedy, J.,
    concurring). For this case, then, the proper inquiry is whether, when
    Congress enacted the Fair Labor Standards Act’s antiretaliation provision,
    there was a tradition of immunity for a claim alleging intentional retaliation
    in the workplace. 2
    With these additional observations, I fully join the majority opinion
    and leave it to the district court to decide the existence of an immunity
    defense under the FLSA after full briefing from the parties.
    2
    There are two potential dates to focus on. The original FLSA, enacted in 1938,
    only allowed the Secretary of Labor to bring retaliation claims. A 1977 Amendment to the
    law created a private cause of action for such claims. See Pineda v. JTCH Apartments,
    L.L.C., 
    843 F.3d 1062
    , 1064 (5th Cir. 2016).
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