United States v. Keith Kiel , 658 F. App'x 701 ( 2016 )


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  •       Case: 14-60747          Document: 00513624368              Page: 1      Date Filed: 08/04/2016
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
    No. 14-60747                              United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    FILED
    Cons. w/ 14-60751                                                                       August 4, 2016
    Lyle W. Cayce
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                                                                    Clerk
    Plaintiff - Appellee
    v.
    KEITH ANTHONY KIEL, also known as Thug; RANDY LAVERNE
    MARSHALL, also known as Boss, also known as Boss Hog,
    Defendants - Appellants
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Cons. w/ 14-60748
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee
    v.
    KEITH ANTHONY KIEL, also known as Thug,
    Defendant - Appellant
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the Southern District of Mississippi
    USDC No. 1:14-CR-1
    Before KING, JOLLY, and ELROD, Circuit Judges.
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    PER CURIAM:*
    Keith Kiel and Randy Marshall were convicted for multiple crimes
    connected to a series of bank robberies in Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida
    between 2008 and 2013. On appeal, both defendants contend that the district
    court erred by excusing a juror during trial. In addition, Marshall alleges
    several evidentiary errors, and asserts a host of arguments regarding his
    sentence. Finally, both Kiel and Marshall argue their trial lawyers were
    ineffective. We find no reversible error, and accordingly affirm the district
    court’s judgment.
    I.
    From May 2008 through May 2013, Keith Kiel and Randy Marshall
    allegedly committed a series of bank robberies in Mississippi, Alabama, and
    Florida. The first set of robberies occurred in 2008. On the morning of May
    13, 2008, two men entered the First Federal Savings and Loan (“First Federal”)
    in Gautier, Mississippi, wearing masks and gloves and carrying firearms.
    While one robber vaulted the bank teller counter, the other robber secured the
    offices and other rooms. During the robbery, one of the robbers also held his
    firearm to the head of a bank employee, directing the employee to fill a
    backpack with cash. The robbers ultimately fled with approximately $61,000
    in a stolen vehicle. On the morning of June 19, 2008, two masked gunmen
    committed a similar robbery at Regions Bank in Biloxi, Mississippi. Again, the
    defendants fled in a stolen car. Marshall’s nephew, Reginald Robinson, drove
    a second getaway car, which the defendants entered after abandoning the first
    * Pursuant to 5TH CIR. R. 47.5, the court has determined that this opinion should not
    be published and is not precedent except under the limited circumstances set forth in 5TH
    CIR. R. 47.5.4.
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    stolen car soon after leaving the bank. Robinson later served as a cooperating
    witness at the appellants’ trial.
    The second set of bank robberies occurred beginning in late 2012. 1 On
    the morning of December 13, 2012, two masked, gloved men carrying firearms
    robbed the Merchants & Marine Bank (“M&M Bank”) in Moss Point,
    Mississippi. Similar to the 2008 robberies, one of the robbers went behind the
    teller counter to collect money from the cash drawers, while the other robber
    cleared offices within the bank. The robber securing the offices pointed his
    firearm toward at least one bank employee and directed the employee to leave
    the office and “get on the floor” in the main lobby. The robbers fled with
    approximately $22,000 in a stolen vehicle. Two masked, gloved men carrying
    firearms committed similar robberies at four other locations: the Wells Fargo
    Bank in Pensacola, Florida; the Hancock Bank in Gulfport, Mississippi; the
    Bancorp South Bank in Greenville, Alabama; and the Hancock Bank in Moss
    Point, Mississippi. Lamarcus Moore, an associate of the defendants who pled
    guilty to conspiracy to commit bank robbery, served as a cooperating witness
    against Kiel and Marshall. Moore later testified that Marshall recruited him
    to help with these robberies by driving a second getaway vehicle used by the
    robbers after abandoning the stolen vehicle.
    Marshall and Kiel were ultimately indicted on multiple charges for their
    alleged involvement in these bank robberies. The defendants were charged
    with two counts of conspiracy, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371, with the objects
    of each conspiracy listed as follows: (1) bank robbery, in violation of 18 U.S.C.
    § 2113(a) and (d); (2) brandishing a firearm during a violent felony, in violation
    of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(1)(A)(ii); and (3) interstate transportation of stolen
    1  Approximately one month after the Regions Bank robbery, Marshall was arrested
    during a routine traffic stop on several unrelated, outstanding warrants. Following his
    arrest, Marshall remained in custody from July 20, 2008, through May 4, 2012.
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    vehicles, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2312. The government included two of the
    bank robberies as overt acts furthering one of the conspiracies and the other
    five robberies as overt acts furthering the other conspiracy. The defendants
    were also charged with separate counts of bank robbery, brandishing a firearm
    during a violent felony, and interstate transportation of stolen vehicles relating
    to five of the seven robberies.
    The trial in this matter began on June 30, 2014. On the morning of
    Monday, July 7th, the district court informed the parties that a juror had been
    excused for health reasons. The district court judge, while speaking with the
    juror over the phone, learned that the juror’s pre-existing condition of
    hypertension had worsened over the weekend, and that he had been given new
    medication and told to rest by his physician. An alternate juror that had
    already been impaneled replaced him, and trial continued without delay.
    The trial ended on July 14, 2014. The jury found Marshall guilty on all
    counts and found Kiel guilty on all but one count. The district court ultimately
    imposed a total sentence of 1,704 months, or 142 years, with respect to
    Marshall and a total sentence of 804 months, or 67 years, with respect to Kiel.
    The defendants filed a timely appeal.
    II.
    We begin by addressing the defendants’ shared argument that the
    district court erred in excusing a juror outside the presence of the defendants.
    As stated, roughly halfway through the trial, a juror informed the district court
    that a pre-existing medical condition had worsened and, at the advice of his
    physician, he needed to rest for “at least a few days.” In addition, when the
    district court inquired further about the effect the juror’s condition had on his
    ability to serve as a juror, the juror definitively stated that his poor health
    rendered him unable to continue as a juror. Thus, the district court excused
    the juror. When the district court informed the parties that the juror had been
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    excused, the defendants did not formally object. The defendants did, however,
    request that the record reflect their “great concern” that the court had excused
    the only African-American juror.
    This court reviews a district court’s decision to dismiss a juror for abuse
    of discretion. 2 United States v. Pruett, 
    681 F.3d 232
    , 247 (5th Cir. 2012).
    Harmless error review applies when the district court communicates with, and
    later excuses, a juror outside the presence of the defendants. See United States
    v. Grubbs, 
    776 F.2d 1281
    , 1290 (5th Cir. 1985). “A district court’s decision to
    remove a juror is discretionary ‘whenever the judge becomes convinced that
    the juror’s abilities to perform his duties [has] become[] impaired.’” United
    States v. Virgen-Moreno, 
    265 F.3d 276
    , 288 (5th Cir. 2001) (quoting United
    States v. Leahy, 
    82 F.3d 624
    , 628 (5th Cir. 1996)). “Unless the court’s removal
    of the juror has prejudiced the defendant, [this circuit] will not disturb the
    court’s decision.” 
    Id. “Such prejudice
    is found ‘if the juror was discharged
    without factual support or for a legally irrelevant reason.’” 
    Pruett, 681 F.3d at 247
    (quoting 
    Virgen-Moreno, 265 F.3d at 288
    ).
    We conclude that the district court did not abuse its discretion in
    dismissing the juror. It is undisputed that the district court’s decision to
    excuse the juror had factual support; the defendants acknowledge that they
    have no reason to believe that the excused juror was feigning his medical
    condition, or otherwise exaggerating its effect on his ability to continue serving
    as a juror. This court has, on numerous occasions, affirmed the dismissal of a
    juror because a health condition renders the juror unable to continue service.
    See, e.g., United States v. Huntress, 
    956 F.2d 1309
    , 1312–13 (5th Cir. 1992)
    2 The government urges that we should review the district court’s decision under the
    plain error doctrine, since the defendants’ statement that they had “great concern” about the
    juror’s excusal was insufficient to preserve the issue on appeal. For the reasons that follow,
    however, the district court committed no reversible error under either standard of review.
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    (dismissing a juror from deliberations after the juror began to experience
    mental illness).
    The defendants, however, contend that, even if the district court had a
    sufficient factual basis for dismissing the juror, the court abused its discretion
    in not notifying the defendants prior to the juror’s dismissal. They urge that
    Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 43(a) requires that “the defendant must
    be present at . . . every trial stage, including jury impanelment and the return
    of the verdict.”     Fed. R. Crim. P. 43(a)(2).       Relying on this presence
    requirement, the defendants contend that they should have been given an
    opportunity to establish that a short continuance would allow the juror to
    recover from his health problems, and thus continue serving as a juror.
    These arguments lack merit. A district court is not required to conduct
    an evidentiary hearing before dismissing a juror. See 
    Virgen-Moreno, 265 F.3d at 288
    (stating that a district court is “not required to conduct an evidentiary
    hearing, and the scope of the court’s investigation is within its sound
    discretion”). Furthermore, to the extent that the district court may have
    violated Rule 43 in dismissing the juror outside the presence of the defendants,
    such an error is harmless. As stated, the defendants do not take issue with the
    district court’s factual basis for dismissing the juror, and there is no indication
    that the district court purposefully excluded the defendants from conference
    when excusing the juror. See 
    Grubbs, 776 F.2d at 1290
    (holding that the
    district court’s dismissal of a juror outside the presence of the defendant was
    harmless error because the defendant was only inadvertently excluded from
    conference with the juror); see also 
    Dumas, 658 F.2d at 414
    (“[T]he record
    indicates that it was by inadvertence, not design, that Dumas was not notified
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    or present at the conference when the excusal was granted, and the error was
    harmless beyond a reasonable doubt.”). 3
    In sum, the district court had factual support for excusing the juror; any
    error in excusing him outside the presence of the defendants is rendered
    harmless by the fact that the defendants’ absence was inadvertent and did not
    affect the district court’s rationale for the excusal. Accordingly, the district
    court did not err in dismissing the juror.
    III.
    Marshall alone also asserts that the district court committed multiple
    additional errors affecting both his conviction and sentence. We first consider
    Marshall’s arguments with respect to the trial proceedings, before turning to
    the alleged sentencing errors.
    A.
    With respect to the trial proceedings, Marshall contends that the district
    court erred in (1) allowing the government to impermissibly bolster the
    credibility of cooperating witnesses; (2) allowing several law enforcement
    officers to provide expert testimony on the bank robberies, despite that they
    were never qualified as experts; and (3) allowing improper hearsay evidence to
    be admitted. Marshall failed to object to these alleged errors at trial; thus, our
    3 We also note that, in both their briefing and at oral argument, the defendants
    emphasized that the excused juror was the only African-American on the jury. The
    defendants, however, do not contend that race played any part in the court’s decision to
    excuse the juror. Nor do they allege that discriminatory reasoning infected the jury selection
    process. Instead, the defendants merely contend that the district court abused its discretion
    in not considering the effect the juror’s dismissal would have on the racial composition of the
    impaneled jury. The defendants cite no law in support of the assertion that an otherwise
    valid dismissal of a juror may be rendered unlawful simply because he or she was the only
    minority juror. Moreover, we note that the juror was replaced by a previously selected
    alternate juror and “[t]here is no question that alternates may replace seated jurors when
    they become unable to serve.” United States v. Dominguez, 
    615 F.2d 1093
    , 1095 (5th Cir.
    1980).
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    review is for plain error. United States v. Smith, 
    814 F.3d 268
    , 273 (5th Cir.
    2016). Marshall must demonstrate that (1) there was an error, (2) the error
    was plain or obvious, and (3) the error affected his substantial rights. 
    Id. If the
    defendant meets that burden, this court has the discretion to remedy that
    error only if it “seriously affected the fairness, integrity, or public reputation
    of the judicial proceeding.” 
    Id. at 273–74
    (citing United States v. Gracia, 
    522 F.3d 597
    , 600 (5th Cir. 2008)).
    1.
    First, Marshall argues that the Government impermissibly bolstered the
    testimony of two accomplice witnesses, Robinson and Moore. During the direct
    examination of both witnesses, the government questioned the witnesses
    regarding provisions in their plea agreements that conditioned any
    government advocacy for a lesser sentence on the coconspirators’ truthful
    testimony. Moreover, on redirect, the government asked both Robinson and
    Moore whether they were aware of who ultimately held the authority to grant
    them a lesser sentence in exchange for their cooperating testimony. Both
    Robinson and Moore answered that, as stated in the plea agreements, the
    district court judge, and not the prosecution, was ultimately responsible for
    deciding whether they would receive a lesser sentence for cooperating in the
    prosecution of the defendants.
    Marshall now contends that the government wrongfully juxtaposed the
    truthfulness provisions of Robinson’s and Moore’s plea agreements with the
    fact that the district court judge had final authority to determine those
    witnesses’ sentences. Marshall urges that, as a result, the jury was left with
    the impression that the trial judge was monitoring the cooperating witnesses’
    testimony, and would have prevented any untruthful testimony.
    When a defendant objects to allegedly improper statements made by a
    prosecutor, this court “must first decide whether the prosecutor made an
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    improper remark.” United States v. Alaniz, 
    726 F.3d 586
    , 615 (5th Cir. 2013)
    (quoting 
    Gracia, 522 F.3d at 600
    n.2). Attempting “to bolster a witness by
    vouching for his credibility ordinarily is improper and constitutes error.”
    United States v. Leslie, 
    759 F.2d 366
    , 378 (5th Cir. 1985). “While a prosecutor
    may argue inferences and conclusions drawn from the evidence, he ‘may not
    make explicit personal assurances of a witness’s veracity.’” 
    Smith, 814 F.3d at 274
    (quoting 
    Leslie, 759 F.2d at 378
    ). The allegedly improper remarks are,
    however, to be viewed in the context “of the argument to which [the remarks]
    responded.” United States v. Canales, 
    744 F.2d 413
    , 424 (5th Cir. 1984); accord
    United States v. McCann, 
    613 F.3d 486
    , 495 (5th Cir. 2010). “When the defense
    suggests that a witness will lie, the Government is entitled to show that the
    witness has no motive to lie.” United States v. Aguilar, 
    645 F.3d 319
    , 323 (5th
    Cir. 2011).
    Reviewing the record, it is apparent that the government’s discussion of
    the plea agreements’ various provisions was not undertaken merely to bolster
    Robinson’s and Moore’s credibility. Instead, it was in response to assertions
    by the defense, made during opening statements, that the plea agreements
    gave Robinson and Moore incentive to lie, as they had to “impress” the
    government to receive leniency in sentencing. See, e.g., Trial Transcript at 171
    (“[Robinson and Moore] have reasons to make deceptive comments, to be
    untruthful, to be less than candid and honest . . . .”); 
    id. at 176
    (stating that
    Robinson and Moore “need a deal with the government to stand a chance of
    getting out of jail earlier”). The government was entitled to rebut the defense’s
    repeated assertions that the plea agreements incentivized dishonest testimony
    on the part of the cooperating witnesses; the government did so by showing (1)
    that the plea agreements were contingent on truthful, and not necessarily
    inculpatory, testimony; and (2) that the district court judge, not the
    government, had the final authority to determine Robinson’s and Moore’s
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    sentences.   In addition, we note that, on cross-examination, the defense
    introduced the plea agreements into evidence. Accordingly, the district court
    did not commit plain error in allowing the government to discuss the plea
    agreement provisions at issue.
    2.
    Marshall next contends that the district court committed plain error in
    allowing several law enforcement officers to testify based on their specialized
    experience with bank robberies. During the trial, multiple law enforcement
    officers testified about observations they made when investigating the various
    bank robberies allegedly committed by the defendants. For example, Michael
    Brown, a detective for the Biloxi Police Department, testified that the method
    in which these robberies were carried out—using guns, masks, and blatant
    threats of force—were markedly different from the other bank robberies he had
    investigated in his career, which tended not to involve overt threats of force.
    The natural inference of this testimony was that all the robberies at issue were
    committed by the same two individuals. In addition, FBI agent John McDavid
    testified to various commonalities among the various robberies, including the
    attire worn by the robbers in the surveillance footage and the time of day the
    robberies took place.
    Marshall urges that such testimony was actually “expert” testimony, and
    that the district court erred in admitting the testimony because the officers
    were never formally qualified as experts. “[T]he distinction between lay and
    expert witness testimony is that lay testimony ‘results from a process of
    reasoning familiar in everyday life,’ while expert testimony ‘results from a
    process of reasoning which can be mastered only by specialists in the field.’”
    United States v. Ebron, 
    683 F.3d 105
    , 136–37 (5th Cir. 2012) (quoting United
    States v. Yanez Sosa, 
    513 F.3d 194
    , 200 (5th Cir. 2008)). In particular, “a lay
    opinion must be the product of reasoning processes familiar to the average
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    person in everyday life.” Yanez 
    Sosa, 513 F.3d at 200
    (quoting United States
    v. Garcia, 
    413 F.3d 201
    , 2015 (2d Cir. 2005)). Accordingly, “‘[t]o be considered
    expert, testimony must involve more than common sense or the officer’s past
    experience formed from firsthand observation.’”       
    Ebron, 683 F.3d at 138
    (quoting United States v. Jackson, 
    549 F.3d 963
    , 975 (5th Cir. 2008) (internal
    quotation marks omitted)).
    Here, the district court did not commit plain error in admitting the law
    enforcement officers’ testimony as lay testimony. As stated, the majority of the
    disputed testimony related to the officers’ comparing the similarities between
    the robberies. Marshall has failed to show how such comparisons involve
    something other than the “reasoning processes familiar to the average person
    in everyday life.” See Yanez 
    Sosa, 513 F.3d at 200
    . Accordingly, there was no
    need for the witnesses to be qualified as experts before giving such testimony.
    Furthermore, comparisons by John McDavid and Michael Brown of the modus
    operandi of the robberies at issue in the present matter and other robberies
    they had previously investigated in their law enforcement careers involve only
    the officers’ common sense and their “past experience formed from firsthand
    observation.” See 
    Ebron, 683 F.3d at 138
    . In addition, we note that Marshall
    does not urge that there was insufficient foundational testimony to qualify the
    law enforcement officials as experts; instead, he confines his argument to the
    fact that the witnesses were never formally tendered as experts. Thus, the
    district court did not commit plain error in admitting the challenged testimony.
    3.
    Finally, Marshall argues that the district court erred in allowing
    improper hearsay evidence to be admitted. Specifically, Marshall points to the
    testimony of Jason Smith, an investigator with the Moss Point District
    Attorney’s Office. Smith interviewed Melinda Sims, a friend of Marshall’s,
    regarding Marshall’s involvement in the bank robberies. At trial, Smith
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    testified that, when shown surveillance footage of the M&M bank robbery,
    Sims “fell back into her chair and put her hand over her mouth and started
    crying.” Marshall contends that this testimony about Sims’s reaction to the
    surveillance footage amounted to hearsay evidence asserting that Marshall
    was, in fact, the individual in the footage; he further contends that the
    testimony was offered in violation of the Sixth Amendment’s Confrontation
    Clause. Again, our review is for plain error.
    The district court did not plainly err in admitting the testimony
    regarding Sims’s reaction to the surveillance video. Federal Rule of Evidence
    801 defines hearsay as a “statement that: (1) the declarant does not make while
    testifying at the current trial or hearing; and (2) a party offers in evidence to
    prove the truth of the matter asserted in the statement.” Fed. R. Evid. 801(c).
    In this context, a “statement” means “a person’s oral assertion, written
    assertion, or nonverbal conduct, if the person intended it as an assertion.” Fed.
    R. Evid. 801(a) (emphasis added). An assertion “has the connotation of a
    positive declaration,” United States v. Lewis, 
    902 F.2d 1176
    , 1179 (5th Cir.
    1990), such as a declarant pointing, United States v. Caro, 
    569 F.2d 411
    , 416
    n.9 (5th Cir. 1978). Sims’s reaction to the video—placing a hand to her mouth
    and crying—is not hearsay because it was not intended as an assertion. See 2
    McCormick on Evidence § 250 (7th ed. 2013) (stating that “an uncontrollable
    action or reaction by its very nature precludes any intent to make an
    assertion”). In other words, although a jury might infer from Sims’s visceral
    reaction that she knew the individual in the surveillance footage, it does not
    follow that she intended to identify the individual in the footage. Furthermore,
    Marshall has not provided any authority that such non-assertive actions
    constitute   “testimony”   and   therefore   invoke   the   protections   of   the
    Confrontation Clause. See United States v. Duron–Caldera, 
    737 F.3d 988
    , 992
    (5th Cir. 2013) (noting that the Confrontation Clause bars the admission of
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    certain “testimonial statements,” and that “testimony” is defined as “‘[a]
    solemn declaration or affirmation made for the purpose of establishing or
    proving some fact.’” (quoting Crawford v. Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 51 (2004))).
    Accordingly, the district court did not plainly err in admitting Smith’s
    testimony.
    B.
    Having considered Marshall’s evidentiary arguments, we now turn to the
    alleged sentencing errors. Marshall brings five separate arguments regarding
    his sentence. We consider each argument in turn.
    1.
    First, Marshall contends that the district court erred when it sentenced
    him based on a seven-year mandatory minimum for “brandishing” a firearm in
    connection with the First Federal robbery. Marshall did not object to the
    district court’s imposition of the seven-year minimum. Thus, we again apply
    the plain error doctrine in our review, as it is described above.
    A person violates 18 U.S.C. § 924 if the person “uses or carries a firearm”
    during a crime of violence, including bank robbery. 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(1)(A). If
    a person violates this statute, he or she is subject to a mandatory minimum
    sentence of five years, but the minimum is increased to seven years “if the
    firearm is brandished.” 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(1)(A)(ii). Any fact that increases a
    mandatory minimum sentence must be found by a jury beyond a reasonable
    doubt. Alleyne v. United States, 
    133 S. Ct. 2151
    , 2159, 2163 (2013). Marshall
    urges that the jury found him guilty only of “using or carrying a firearm,” which
    results in a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. He emphasizes that the
    verdict form did not include an option for the jurors to make a finding of
    brandishing, as it asked jurors to decide only whether Marshall “used or
    carried” a firearm during the bank robberies.
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    It appears that the district court committed a “clear or obvious” error in
    applying the seven-year mandatory minimum without a jury finding regarding
    whether Marshall “brandished” a firearm. A finding of “brandishing” is the
    operative fact that increases the mandatory minimum sentence from five years
    to seven years. Under Alleyne, 
    133 S. Ct. 2151
    , and its progeny, such a finding
    should have been made by the jury, not by the district court at sentencing.
    Notwithstanding this error, however, we decline to exercise our discretion
    under the plain error doctrine. We decline because the error in question does
    not “seriously affect[] the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of judicial
    proceedings.”    United States v. Olano, 
    507 U.S. 725
    , 732 (1993) (internal
    quotation marks omitted).
    It is well established that this court may decline to correct a forfeited
    error when the evidence of a judicially found fact is overwhelming and
    uncontroverted. United States v. Cotton, 
    535 U.S. 625
    , 632–33 (2002); accord
    United States v. Kizer, 554 F. App’x 311, 313 (5th Cir. 2014) (per curiam)
    (unpublished). Here, there is significant unchallenged evidence that Marshall
    “brandished” a firearm. Multiple eyewitnesses to the First Federal robbery
    stated that the robbers had pointed firearms at bank employees, including
    holding a firearm to at least one employee’s head. Such acts clearly constitute
    “brandishing” a firearm for purposes of the statute. See 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(4)
    (defining “brandish” as “to display all or part of the firearm, or otherwise make
    the presence of the firearm known to another person, in order to intimidate
    that person”).
    In sum, there is considerable and undisputed evidence establishing that
    Marshall brandished a gun in commission of at least two of the robberies.
    Although the district court erred in not allowing the jury to make a finding of
    “brandishing,” the existence of this overwhelming evidence causes the district
    court’s mistake not to rise to such a level that it affects the fundamental
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    fairness or integrity of the proceedings.                Accordingly, Marshall has not
    established reversible error under the plain error doctrine. 4
    2.
    Next, Marshall argues that the district court erred in considering the
    Wells Fargo Bank and Bancorp South robberies when calculating his total
    offense level under the Sentencing Guidelines. The district court, based in part
    on Marshall’s involvement in the Bancorp South and Wells Fargo Robberies,
    found that Marshall had an adjusted offense level of 35 for his conspiracy
    convictions; after applying a multiple count adjustment pursuant to U.S.S.G.
    § 3D1.4, Marshall’s total offense level was calculated at 38.                      On appeal,
    Marshall contends that the district court erred because the jury never
    expressly found him guilty of committing those robberies, either as part of a
    separate substantive offense or as part of the conspiracy convictions. Again,
    Marshall did not object to this alleged error during sentencing, so we review
    the issue under the plain error doctrine.
    We find that Marshall has failed to demonstrate error, much less the
    “clear or obvious” error necessary to obtain relief under the plain error
    doctrine. Marshall contends that the district court erred because an offense
    level was calculated based on each bank robbery listed as an overt act in
    furtherance of the objects of the conspiracies, even though the jury failed to
    specify which overt act or acts were proved in connection with the conspiracies.
    4  Moreover, Marshall’s argument that the verdict form shows the jury rejected the
    aggravating element of brandishing is unpersuasive. The case cited by Marshall, United
    States v. Pizarro, 
    772 F.3d 284
    (1st Cir. 2014), relied on Alleyne to hold that an error is always
    plain when the sentencing court imposes a sentence for an aggravated crime the jury has
    expressly rejected. 
    Pizarro, 772 F.3d at 296
    . Here, however, the jury did not expressly reject
    the brandishing element. Instead, the verdict form, through judicial oversight, allowed the
    jury to find only that the defendant “used or carried” a firearm. In other words, nothing in
    the jury verdict here indicates that the jury considered, and expressly rejected, a finding that
    Marshall had “brandished” a firearm.
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    However, regardless of its findings as to specific overt acts, the jury found that
    Marshall had committed all three objects of the two conspiracy counts (i.e.,
    bank robbery; using, carrying, or brandishing a firearm during a bank robbery;
    and interstate transport of stolen vehicles). The overt acts were not required
    to be charged as separate substantive offenses because the offense of
    conspiracy and the substantive offense “are separate and distinct crimes.” See
    United States v. Duval, 
    846 F.2d 966
    , 976 (5th Cir. 1988). Furthermore, a court
    may consider uncharged or acquitted conduct in sentencing a defendant in
    accordance with U.S.S.G. § 1B1.2(d). See, e.g., United States v. Coleman, 
    349 F.3d 1077
    , 1088 (8th Cir. 2003) (holding that, even though the indictment only
    alleged two bank robberies, a defendant could be sentenced based upon five
    robberies because “a defendant may be held responsible for any of the acts of
    the conspiracy”). Accordingly, the district court did not err by calculating
    Marshall’s offense level using the Wells Fargo and Bancorp South bank
    robberies.
    3.
    Marshall next contends that the district court erred in having his
    sentence for the interstate transportation convictions run consecutively to,
    instead of concurrently with, his sentence for the bank robbery convictions.
    “Multiple terms of imprisonment imposed at the same time run concurrently
    unless the court orders or the statute mandates that the terms are to run
    consecutively.” 18 U.S.C. § 3584(a). Absent a statutory mandate, a district
    court may order the sentences to run consecutively; the court, however, must
    consider the various sentencing factors listed in 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a) when
    deciding whether it is appropriate to have the sentences to run consecutively.
    See 18 U.S.C. § 3584(b).     The sentences for Marshall’s bank robbery and
    interstate transportation convictions were not required by statute to run
    consecutively. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 2113(a), (d); 18 U.S.C. § 2312. The district
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    court, however, mistakenly concluded that the sentences were required to run
    consecutively. 5   As a result, the court did not conduct an analysis of the
    § 3553(a) factors when ordering that Marshall’s sentences run consecutively.
    We hold that, under the plain error doctrine, the district court did not
    commit reversible error. Although the district court committed clear or obvious
    error in mistakenly believing that Marshall’s sentences were required by
    statute to run consecutively, Marshall has failed to show that the district
    court’s oversight “seriously affect[s] the fairness, integrity or public reputation
    of judicial proceedings.” See 
    Olano, 507 U.S. at 732
    .
    The district court did err in asserting that Marshall’s bank robbery and
    interstate transportation convictions required consecutive sentences, thus
    foregoing consideration of the sentencing factors listed in 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a).
    As we have repeatedly emphasized, however, “[t]he focus of plain error review
    should be ‘whether the severity of the error’s harm demands reversal.’” United
    States v. Escalante-Reyes, 
    689 F.3d 415
    , 423 (5th Cir. 2012) (en banc) (quoting
    United States v. Farrell, 
    672 F.3d 27
    , 36 (1st Cir. 2012)); see also United States
    v. Marcus, 
    560 U.S. 258
    , 266 (2010) (stating that circuit courts do not have to
    exercise their discretion for any possible error and that an error creating a
    “tiny risk [of actually resulting in harm to the defendant] . . . is most unlikely
    to cast serious doubt on the ‘fairness,’ ‘integrity,’ or ‘public reputation’ of the
    judicial system”).
    In the present matter, requiring the interstate transportation and bank
    robbery sentences run concurrently, instead of consecutively, would reduce
    Marshall’s sentence from 1,704 months to 1,584 months (i.e., 142 years to 132
    5   The district court stated that “each of these sentences represents the maximum
    penalty provided by statute, and to run them consecutively, as the term has been used
    throughout this sentencing statement, is a requirement also by statute. This results in a
    total term of incarceration of 1,704 months or 142 years.”
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    years). See 18 U.S.C. § 2312. The district court had the authority to impose
    either sentence; indeed, the firearm convictions, standing alone, authorized the
    court to impose a sentence of up to life imprisonment. See United States v.
    Sias, 
    227 F.3d 244
    , 246–47 (5th Cir. 2000). Moreover, there is virtually no risk
    that the sentence imposed of 142 years will cause Marshall any greater harm
    than a sentence of 132 years. Marshall was thirty-four-years old at the time
    of conviction. Thus, either sentence is, in effect, one of life imprisonment. This
    practical consideration, coupled with the fact that the district court had the
    authority to render the sentence actually imposed, compels us hold that the
    district court’s sentencing error does not affect the fundamental “fairness,
    integrity, or public reputation” of the federal courts. We also note that
    Marshall’s appellate counsel declined to argue this alleged sentencing error at
    oral argument, despite being asked about the issue. Accordingly, we decline to
    exercise our discretion under the plain error doctrine.
    4.
    Next, Marshall asserts that the district court erred in adding one point
    to his criminal history score for a marijuana possession conviction. Marshall
    urges that the evidence on record does not establish whether he was
    represented by counsel when convicted of marijuana possession.             Again,
    Marshall did not object to the alleged error at sentencing, so our review is for
    plain error.
    Marshall’s argument fails because he has not shown the existence of a
    plain or obvious error. “[I]n a collateral attack on an uncounseled conviction,
    it is the defendant’s burden to prove that he did not competently and
    intelligently waive his right to the assistance of counsel.” Iowa v. Tovar, 
    541 U.S. 77
    , 92 (2004). In the present matter, Marshall concedes that the record
    does not establish whether he was represented by counsel for the proceedings
    that led to the disputed conviction, or whether he waived counsel in the
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    misdemeanor case. Thus, Marshall has failed to show that the district court’s
    consideration of the previous conviction for marijuana possession amounted to
    plain or obvious error. See United States v. Rubalcaba-Vazquez, 281 F. App’x
    354, 355 (5th Cir. 2008) (per curiam) (unpublished) (“[T]he record does not
    show whether these convictions were uncounseled because Rubalcaba-Vazquez
    validly waived his right to counsel or because he was uninformed of his right
    to counsel. Consequently, Rubalcaba-Vazquez has not carried his burden of
    showing that the disputed convictions were constitutionally infirm, nor has he
    shown plain error in connection with his sentence.”).
    5.
    Finally, Marshall challenges several sentencing enhancements that the
    district court applied when calculating the offense levels for some of the
    robbery-related counts. Unlike most of the alleged sentencing errors at issue
    in this appeal, Marshall did object to these sentencing enhancements. Thus,
    we do not apply the plain error doctrine; instead “[w]e review the application
    of the sentencing guidelines de novo and the district court’s findings of fact for
    clear error.” United States v. Jefferson, 
    258 F.3d 405
    , 412 (5th Cir. 2001).
    First, Marshall contends that the district court erred in applying a four-
    level enhancement under the Guidelines for “abduct[ing] [a person] to facilitate
    commission of the offense.” U.S.S.G. § 2B3.1(b)(4)(A). Under the Guidelines,
    an “abduction” occurs when “a victim [is] forced to accompany an offender to a
    different location.” U.S.S.G. § 1B1.1 cmt. n.1(A), § 2B3.1 cmt. n.1. Undisputed
    evidence shows that, for the three robberies where the abduction enhancement
    was applied, the robbers removed bank employees and customers from
    individual offices at gunpoint, compelled the victims to move to the main lobby
    of the bank, and forced the victims to lie on the ground as the robbers
    completed their crime. Marshall, however, contends that such movement—
    occurring entirely within the confines of the bank building—is insufficient to
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    establish that the bank workers and customers were moved to a “different
    location,” which, as we have stated, is required for the abduction enhancement
    to apply.
    We conclude that the district court did not err in imposing the abduction
    enhancement.     This circuit has repeatedly held that “the term ‘different
    location’ should be interpreted flexibly on a case by case basis.” United States
    v. Johnson, 
    619 F.3d 469
    , 472 (5th Cir. 2010).             Thus, an abduction
    enhancement is proper “even though the victim remained within a single
    building” when the forced movement of the victim facilitates the commission
    of the offense or escape. 
    Id. at 474.
    Indeed, this court has routinely held that
    victims are “abducted” for the purposes of a bank robbery even when they never
    leave the bank, so long as the victims are compelled to move from one area of
    the bank to another to aid in the commission of the offense or to more easily
    facilitate escape. See, e.g., United States v. Smith, 
    822 F.3d 755
    , 763–64 (5th
    Cir. 2016); United States v. Holiday, 582 F. App’x 551, 552 (5th Cir. 2014).
    Accordingly, the district court did not err in imposing a four-level increase for
    abduction under U.S.S.G. § 2B3.1(b)(4)(A).
    Next, Marshall argues that the district court erred in applying the six-
    level enhancement for “otherwise using a firearm” for two of the robberies. See
    U.S.S.G. § 2B3.1(b)(2)(B). Under the Guidelines, “otherwise used” means “that
    the conduct did not amount to the discharge of a firearm but was more than
    brandishing, displaying, or possessing a firearm.” U.S.S.G. § 1B1.1 cmt. n.1(I).
    Marshall urges that the evidence is sufficient to show only that he
    “brandished” a firearm, but not that he “otherwise used” a firearm in the
    commission of any robbery. This argument fails. In distinguishing between
    when a firearm is “brandished” and “otherwise used,” this circuit has clarified
    that “[d]isplaying a weapon without pointing or targeting should be classified
    as ‘brandished,’ but pointing the weapon at any individual or group of
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    individuals in a specific manner should be ‘otherwise used.’” United States v.
    Dunigan, 
    555 F.3d 501
    , 505 (5th Cir. 2009). As we have already discussed,
    there is evidence that Marshall pointed his gun at specific victims during the
    Wells Fargo Bank and Bancorp South robberies in an effort to compel their
    movement or compliance. Thus, the district court did not err in applying a six-
    level enhancement for “otherwise using” a firearm.
    Finally, Marshall contends that the district court clearly erred in
    applying a two-level enhancement to the offense level of the Bancorp South
    Bank robbery on the basis that Marshall was an “organizer or leader” of the
    robbery. See U.S.S.G. § 3B1.1(c). Evidence at trial, however, showed that
    Marshall recruited Moore (one of the cooperating witnesses) to participate in
    the Bancorp South Bank robbery; this court has previously held that evidence
    of recruitment supports the application of the two-level role enhancement.
    United States v. Giraldo, 
    111 F.3d 21
    , 24–25 (5th Cir. 1997); accord United
    States v. Ceballos–Amaya, 470 F. App’x 254, 262 (5th Cir. 2012) (per curiam)
    (unpublished).   Accordingly, the district court did not err in applying the
    enhancement for Marshall’s role in the robbery as a “leader or organizer.”
    IV.
    Lastly, we note that both defendants have raised ineffective assistance
    of counsel claims related to alleged errors by trial counsel. Kiel argues that
    his trial counsel’s failure to move for a mistrial after the district court excused
    the juror amounted to ineffective assistance of counsel. Marshall contends that
    his trial counsel rendered ineffective assistance when his counsel failed to
    properly object below to numerous alleged evidentiary and sentencing errors,
    thus subjecting them to plain error review on appeal. Marshall further urges
    that his counsel was ineffective in failing to move for the exclusion of certain
    DNA evidence.
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    We decline to address the defendants’ ineffective assistance claims at
    this time. “The general rule in the Fifth Circuit is that ineffective assistance
    of counsel claims cannot be resolved on direct appeal if they were not raised
    before the district court.” United States v. Wallace, 
    759 F.3d 486
    , 497–98 (5th
    Cir. 2014). The rule exists because “typically at this stage, the record is not
    sufficiently developed to allow th[e] court to meaningfully assess the merits of
    the defendant’s allegations.” 
    Id. at 498.
    We thus decline to consider the
    defendants’ ineffective assistance of counsel claims at this time.            The
    defendants are, of course, free to pursue these claims in a later post-conviction
    proceeding.
    V.
    For the foregoing reasons, the defendants have not demonstrated any
    reversible error, either with respect to the trial proceedings or their sentences.
    Accordingly, the district court’s judgment is, in all respects,
    AFFIRMED.
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