WickFire v. Woodruff ( 2021 )


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  •      Case: 17-50340   Document: 00515759567    Page: 1   Date Filed: 02/26/2021
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
    United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    No. 17-50340                     FILED
    February 26, 2021
    Lyle W. Cayce
    WICKFIRE, L.L.C.,                                                    Clerk
    Plaintiff–Appellee,
    v.
    LAURA WOODRUFF; TRIMAX MEDIA, L.L.C.,
    Defendants–Appellants,
    v.
    WREI, INCORPORATED; JOSH WEST,
    Defendants–Third Party Plaintiffs–Appellants,
    v.
    JONATHAN CURTIS BROWN; CHESTER LEE HALL,
    Third Party Defendants–Appellees.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Western District of Texas
    USDC No. 1:14-CV-34
    Before OWEN, Chief Judge, and DENNIS and SOUTHWICK, Circuit Judges.
    OWEN, Chief Judge:
    TriMax Media, L.L.C. appeals a jury verdict in favor of WickFire, L.L.C.,
    challenging subject matter jurisdiction and the sufficiency of the evidence. We
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    affirm the judgment in part and reverse in part.
    I
    WickFire, L.L.C. and TriMax Media, L.L.C. are competitors “in the pay-
    for-performance search engine marketing business,” a form of internet
    marketing. 1 Advertisers such as WickFire and TriMax Media partner with
    merchants on advertising campaigns.           In addition to contracting with
    merchants directly, advertisers often connect with merchants through
    intermediary, affiliate networks that have relationships with thousands of
    merchants. Search engines like Google conduct auctions in which advertisers
    can bid for the right to place merchant-specific advertisements alongside
    particular search terms (for Google, these are called “AdWords auctions”).
    Advertisers pay search engines on a cost-per-click basis, meaning they pay the
    search engine every time a user clicks on one of their advertisements. If the
    user thereafter makes a purchase on the merchant’s site, the merchant pays a
    commission to the advertiser.
    A series of disputes arose between WickFire and TriMax Media. In
    response, WickFire filed suit against TriMax Media, Laura Woodruff (TriMax
    Media’s owner), Josh West (TriMax Media’s director of business development),
    and WREI (a company owned by West) (collectively, TriMax).                 WickFire
    asserted a violation of § 43(a) of the Lanham Act, tortious interference with
    existing   contracts,    tortious   interference     with    prospective   economic
    relationships, and civil conspiracy.
    First, WickFire alleged that TriMax committed “click fraud” by
    repeatedly clicking on WickFire’s advertisements without any intention of
    making purchases.       Practically speaking, click fraud drives up WickFire’s
    1Wickfire, LLC v. Woodruff, No. A-14-CA-00034-SS, 
    2017 WL 1149075
    , at *1 (W.D.
    Tex. Mar. 23, 2017).
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    costs—which as noted, are based on the number of clicks per advertisement—
    without any corresponding increase in revenue. Second, WickFire alleged that
    TriMax created false advertisements that were made to appear as though they
    belonged to WickFire. WickFire asserted that advertisements included the
    mark of, and links and references to TheCoupon.co, a WickFire website
    designed    to “aggregate[] coupons for . . . online retailers.”            Other
    advertisements contained WickFire’s unique tracking number (606880), which
    merchants use to identify the source of particular advertisements. According
    to WickFire, the advertisements “violated merchant [and] affiliate network[]
    terms and conditions,” thereby interfering with WickFire’s contractual
    relationships with these entities.
    In response to WickFire’s claims, TriMax filed their own counterclaims
    against WickFire and its cofounders Jonathan Brown and Chet Hall. TriMax
    alleged tortious interference with existing contracts. First, TriMax alleged
    WickFire engaged in predatory bidding during Google AdWords auctions. The
    alleged predatory bidding involved WickFire’s indirect advertising model,
    whereby WickFire would link customers not directly to a merchant’s website,
    but to TheCoupon.co (or, when originally testing whether the TheCoupon.co
    was a worthwhile venture, to WebCrawler.com, a public website). 2 TriMax
    alleged WickFire would place these indirect advertisements directly below
    TriMax advertisements and then bid aggressively during Google AdWords
    auctions to drive up the cost-per-click TriMax would pay for their advertising
    space. 3 Once TriMax could no longer compete for the space, WickFire would
    purchase the space at auction for a reduced price. 4 Second, TriMax alleged
    WickFire had paid “kickbacks to agents to push merchants to terminate” their
    2 See 
    id.
     at *2 n.4.
    3 
    Id.
    4 
    Id.
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    affiliations with TriMax. WickFire, Brown, and Hall raised a justification
    defense to TriMax’s claim.
    The district court held a trial on the merits. The jury awarded WickFire
    $1,984,000 in damages on its tortious interference with existing contracts
    claim and $334,000 in damages on its tortious interference with prospective
    business relations claim. With respect to WickFire’s Lanham Act claim, the
    jury found that TriMax “misrepresent[ed] [WickFire] as the source of
    advertisements by placing advertisements containing identifying information
    distinctive of [WickFire] in a manner that was likely to cause confusion,” but
    it did not award any damages.       The jury also found that TriMax Media,
    Woodruff, West, and WREI were all “part of a conspiracy that damaged
    [WickFire].” With respect to TriMax’s claim for tortious interference with
    existing contracts, the jury found that WickFire, Hall, and Brown
    “intentionally interfere[d] with one or more of TriMax’s contracts” but “ha[d] a
    colorable right to” do so.
    TriMax contested the jury’s verdict in a written motion for judgment as
    a matter of law and a new trial. The district court denied both motions and
    entered judgment in accordance with the jury’s verdict. TriMax appealed.
    II
    We first consider whether the district court had jurisdiction to entertain
    WickFire’s claims. For the first time in this multi-year litigation, TriMax asks
    this court to dismiss WickFire’s claims for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.
    TriMax contends that subject matter jurisdiction does not exist over WickFire’s
    Lanham Act claim and that consequently there is no basis to exercise
    supplemental jurisdiction pursuant to 
    28 U.S.C. § 1367
    (a) over WickFire’s
    state-law tort claims.
    Federal courts have jurisdiction over a claim brought under a federal
    statute unless the claim “clearly appears to be immaterial and made solely for
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    the purpose of obtaining jurisdiction” or “is wholly insubstantial and
    frivolous.” 5   These exceptions “are narrowly drawn.” 6              A claim is wholly
    insubstantial and frivolous if it is foreclosed by previous decisions of the
    Supreme Court. 7 The Court’s previous decisions foreclose a claim when the
    “unsoundness”       of   the   claim    “so   clearly   results     from   the   previous
    decisions . . . as to foreclose the subject and leave no room for the inference that
    the questions sought to be raised can be the subject of controversy.” 8
    “[P]revious decisions that merely render claims of doubtful or questionable
    merit” do not preclude federal jurisdiction. 9
    TriMax first alleges WickFire’s Lanham Act claim is foreclosed by the
    Supreme Court’s decision in Dastar Corp. v. Twentieth Century Fox Film
    Corp. 10 In Dastar, Fox Film Corporation (Fox) was assigned the copyright to
    the Crusade in Europe (Crusade) television series but did not renew that
    copyright when it expired. 11 Years later, the Dastar Corporation (Dastar)
    obtained publicly available tapes of the series, edited them to make a new
    series entitled World War II Campaigns in Europe (Campaigns), and then sold
    Campaigns to consumers without any reference to the original series. 12 Fox
    and several Crusade distributors sued Dastar for violation of § 43(a) of the
    Lanham Act, 13 which prohibits a person from making, “in connection with any
    goods or services,” a “false designation of origin, false or misleading description
    of fact, or false or misleading representation of fact, which . . . is likely to cause
    5Bell v. Hood, 
    327 U.S. 678
    , 682-83 (1946).
    6Williamson v. Tucker, 
    645 F.2d 404
    , 416 (5th Cir. 1981).
    7 See Hagans v. Lavine, 
    415 U.S. 528
    , 543 (1974) (citing Oneida Indian Nation v.
    County of Oneida, 
    414 U.S. 661
    , 666-67 (1974)).
    8 Id. at 538 (quoting Ex Parte Poresky, 
    290 U.S. 30
    , 32 (1933)).
    9 
    Id.
    10 
    539 U.S. 23
     (2003).
    11 
    Id. at 25-26
    .
    12 See 
    id. at 26-27
    .
    13 See 
    id. at 27
    .
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    confusion . . . as to the origin, sponsorship, or approval of his or her goods,
    services, or commercial activities.” 14 Fox and the plaintiff-distributors alleged
    that by selling Campaigns without any reference to the Crusade series, Dastar
    had made a “false designation of origin, false or misleading description of fact,
    or false or misleading representation of fact, which [was] likely to cause
    confusion . . . as to the origin [of Campaigns].” 15
    Whether Fox asserted a valid Lanham Act claim against Dastar turned
    on which entity constituted the “origin” of a particular “good” for purposes of
    the Act. 16 “If ‘origin’ refer[red] only to the manufacturer or producer of the
    physical ‘good[]’ that [was] made available to the public[,] Dastar was the
    origin,” and Fox’s Lanham Act claim would accordingly fail. 17 But if “‘origin’
    include[d] the creator of the underlying work,” Fox’s Lanham Act claim had
    possible merit. 18 In deciding which interpretation was correct, the Court relied
    on the interplay between copyright and patent law on the one hand, and federal
    trademark law on the other. 19
    Copyright and patent law, the Court indicated, serve markedly different
    functions than federal trademark law. The former are intended to “protect
    originality or creativity,” whereas the latter is not. 20             That is, “[f]ederal
    trademark law ‘has no necessary relation to invention or discovery.’” 21 It is
    instead concerned with “preventing competitors from copying ‘a source-
    identifying mark’” in a way that harms the various consumers who rely on the
    14 
    15 U.S.C. § 1125
    (a)(1)(A).
    15 Dastar, 
    539 U.S. at 31
     (internal quotation marks omitted) (quoting § 1125(a)(1)(A)).
    16 See id.
    17 Id. (emphasis added).
    18 Id. (emphasis added).
    19 See id. at 33-34, 37.
    20 Id. at 37.
    21 Id. at 34 (quoting In re Trade–Mark Cases, 
    100 U.S. 82
    , 94 (1879)).
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    mark and the manufacturer who owns the mark. 22 It protects the genuineness
    of goods or services, ensuring, inter alia, that consumers are not deceived into
    purchasing inferior products and that a manufacturer’s goodwill is not
    exploited or infringed upon by its competitors. 23
    The Court concluded that the term “origin of goods” as used in the
    Lanham Act “refer[red] to the producer of the tangible goods that [were] offered
    for sale, and not to the author of any idea, concept, or communication embodied
    in those goods.” 24 Accordingly, Fox—the putative “entity that originated the
    ideas or communications” embodied in Dastar’s film—could not sue Dastar for
    violating the Lanham Act merely because Dastar had not provided Fox
    attribution for those original ideas and communications. 25                    To the extent
    protections for those interests exist, they lie in the law of copyright, not the law
    of trademarks. 26
    We understand Dastar to stand for the general proposition that one
    cannot shoehorn what essentially amounts to a putative patent violation or a
    putative copyright violation into a Lanham Act claim. 27 In other words, there
    22 
    Id.
     (noting that trademark law, “by preventing competitors from copying ‘a source-
    identifying mark,’ ‘reduce[s] the customer’s costs of shopping and making purchasing
    decisions,’ and ‘helps assure a producer that it (and not an imitating competitor) will reap
    the financial, reputation-related rewards associated with a desirable product” (alterations in
    original) (quoting Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Prods. Co., 
    514 U.S. 159
    , 163-64 (1995))).
    23 See id. at 32 (“Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act prohibits actions like trademark
    infringement that deceive consumers and impair a producer’s goodwill. It forbids, for
    example, the Coca–Cola Company’s passing off its product as Pepsi–Cola or reverse passing
    off Pepsi–Cola as its product.”).
    24 Id. at 37 (emphasis added).
    25 See id. at 32, 38; see also id. at 27 (describing Fox’s allegations “that Dastar’s sale
    of Campaigns ‘without proper credit’ to the Crusade television series constitute[d] ‘reverse
    passing off’ in violation of § 43(a) of the Lanham Act” (emphasis added) (footnote omitted)).
    26 See id. at 37.
    27 See Gen. Universal Sys., Inc. v. Lee, 
    379 F.3d 131
    , 149 (5th Cir. 2004) (per curiam)
    (“The [Dastar] Court concluded that claims of false authorship and reverse passing off, when
    raised to protect an author’s interest in the intellectual content of communicative products,
    were not actionable under § 43(a) and should instead be pursued under copyright law.”
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    is no cause of action for violating the Lanham Act merely because the “good”
    at issue incorporates the plaintiff’s ideas, concepts, writings, or the like. In
    this way, Dastar addressed, as TriMax asserts, a “false authorship” claim. Fox
    was essentially alleging Dastar had plagiarized the Crusade series. 28 In filing
    suit, Fox was seeking to rectify Dastar’s putative failure to credit Fox for its
    original ideas. 29 But because the suit did not seek to protect the interests that
    prompted the passage of the Lanham Act, Fox’s claim failed. 30
    The case at bar presents a different situation than that addressed in
    Dastar.     WickFire has alleged that TriMax created false advertisements
    appearing to have originated with WickFire in order to, inter alia, harm
    WickFire’s reputational interests in this industry. WickFire is not alleging
    TriMax wrongfully incorporated WickFire’s ideas or concepts into TriMax’s
    advertisements. That is, WickFire is not concerned with protecting an original
    idea or its creative thought, as Fox was attempting to do in Dastar. Instead,
    WickFire is interested in protecting the genuineness of its brand. We cannot
    say, based on Dastar, that WickFire’s claim is frivolous. 31
    TriMax’s second argument as to why the district court lacked jurisdiction
    to entertain WickFire’s federal claim is that neither WickFire’s unique
    numerical identifier nor the links or references to TheCoupon.co are entitled
    to protection under the Lanham Act.                  But these arguments principally
    challenge the merits of WickFire’s claim—that is, whether WickFire can
    (emphasis added)); accord Gensler v. Strabala, 
    764 F.3d 735
    , 737 (7th Cir. 2014) (“Dastar
    held that a copyright can’t be extended by using the Lanham Act.”).
    28 Dastar, 
    539 U.S. at 36
     (describing Fox’s “reading . . . of the Lanham Act as creating
    a cause of action for, in effect, plagiarism”).
    29 See 
    id. at 27
    .
    30 See 
    id. at 37
    .
    31 Cf. Gen. Universal Sys., Inc., 379 F.3d at 149 (concluding Dastar foreclosed the
    plaintiff’s Lanham Act claim because the plaintiff was alleging the defendant had “copied the
    ideas, concepts, structures, and sequences embodied in [the plaintiff’s] copyrighted work”).
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    prevail in its cause of action. They do not effectively challenge the jurisdiction
    of the district court. 32 Generally, district courts have “jurisdiction if ‘the right
    of the [plaintiff] to recover under [his or her] complaint will be sustained if the
    Constitution and laws of the United States are given one construction and will
    be defeated if they are given another.’” 33 In other words, the claim need only
    be “colorable” to invoke federal question jurisdiction. 34
    Here, WickFire alleged that TriMax created fraudulent advertisements
    intended to deceive WickFire’s customers into thinking the advertisements
    were created by WickFire. Whether WickFire could have prevailed under that
    theory turned in part on whether WickFire had a protectable mark. 35 But
    WickFire need not have conclusively demonstrated the existence of a
    protectable mark to invoke “arising under” jurisdiction. Novel as its claim may
    be, nothing suggests WickFire’s legal theory is so insubstantial or frivolous as
    to affect the district court’s authority to decide this case. 36 We thus conclude
    the district court had jurisdiction over WickFire’s Lanham Act claim and,
    32  See Fragumar Corp., N.V. v. Dunlap, 
    685 F.2d 127
    , 128 (5th Cir. 1982) (“Federal
    jurisdiction is determined not by the ultimate evidence but by the well-pleaded allegations of
    the complaint.” (citing Little York Gold Washing & Water Co. v. Keyes, 
    96 U.S. 199
    , 201-02
    (1877))).
    33 Verizon Md., Inc. v. Pub. Serv. Comm’n of Md., 
    535 U.S. 635
    , 643 (2002) (quoting
    Steel Co. v. Citizens for a Better Env’t, 
    523 U.S. 83
    , 89 (1998)).
    34 Arbaugh v. Y & H Corp., 
    546 U.S. 500
    , 513 (2006) (“A plaintiff properly invokes
    § 1331 jurisdiction when she pleads a colorable claim ‘arising under’ the Constitution or laws
    of the United States.” (citing Bell v. Hood, 
    327 U.S. 678
    , 681-85 (1946))).
    35 See Amazing Spaces, Inc. v. Metro Mini Storage, 
    608 F.3d 225
    , 235-36 (5th Cir. 2010)
    (noting that to prevail under § 43(a), “[t]he plaintiff must first ‘establish ownership in a
    legally protectible mark, and second, . . . show infringement by demonstrating a likelihood of
    confusion’” (quoting Bd. of Supervisors for La. State Univ. Agric. & Mech. Coll. v. Smack
    Apparel Co., 
    550 F.3d 465
    , 474 (5th Cir. 2008))).
    36 See Verizon, 
    535 U.S. at 643
     (indicating that subject matter jurisdiction is affected
    if “the claim ‘clearly appears to be immaterial and made solely for the purpose of obtaining
    jurisdiction or where such a claim is wholly insubstantial and frivolous’” (quoting Steel Co.,
    
    523 U.S. at 89
    )); see also U.S. Patent & Trademark Office v. Booking.com B.V., 
    140 S. Ct. 2298
    , 2301 (2020) (concluding that even “term[s] styled ‘generic.com’” can, in certain
    circumstances, “be eligible for federal trademark registration”).
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    accordingly, pendent jurisdiction over each of WickFire’s state-law tort
    claims. 37
    III
    On the merits, TriMax argues they were entitled to judgment as a matter
    of law on each of WickFire’s claims, as well as the justification defense raised
    in response to TriMax’s counterclaim. “Only when ‘a reasonable jury would
    not have a legally sufficient evidentiary basis to find for the party on [a
    particular] issue’ is judgment as a matter of law appropriate.” 38 In making
    that determination, we “draw all reasonable inferences and resolve all
    credibility determinations in the light most favorable to the nonmoving
    party.” 39
    A
    As to the Lanham Act claim, we need not decide whether the evidence
    offered was sufficient as a matter of law. The judgment in this case, although
    acknowledging that TriMax had violated § 43(a) of the Act, did not award
    WickFire damages as to this claim.                   Consequently, any argument that
    WickFire offered insufficient evidence regarding this claim is moot. Nor does
    the fact that WickFire seeks attorney fees under the Lanham Act affect this
    conclusion.       It is true that the Lanham Act permits, under certain
    circumstances, district courts to award “reasonable attorney fees to the
    prevailing party.” 40 But as we recently noted in Alliance for Good Government
    37 See 
    28 U.S.C. § 1367
    (a).
    38 Ill. Tool Works, Inc. v. Rust-Oleum Corp., 
    955 F.3d 512
    , 514 (5th Cir. 2020) (quoting
    FED. R. CIV. P. 50(a)); see Flowers v. S. Reg’l Physician Servs. Inc., 
    247 F.3d 229
    , 235 (5th Cir.
    2001) (“A motion for judgment as a matter of law . . . in an action tried by jury is a challenge
    to the legal sufficiency of the evidence supporting the jury’s verdict.” (quoting Ford v.
    Cimarron Ins. Co., 
    230 F.3d 828
    , 830 (5th Cir. 2000))).
    39 Cowart v. Erwin, 
    837 F.3d 444
    , 450 (5th Cir. 2016) (quoting Heck v. Triche, 
    775 F.3d 265
    , 273 (5th Cir. 2014)).
    40 
    15 U.S.C. § 1117
    (a) (emphasis added).
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    v. Coalition for Better Government, “a prevailing party [for Lanham Act
    purposes] is ‘a party in whose favor judgment is rendered’ or ‘one who has been
    awarded some relief by the court.’” 41 Here, the jury found that there were no
    damages, and WickFire therefore cannot be a prevailing party under the
    Lanham Act. We need not consider TriMax’s contentions that the evidence as
    to WickFire’s Lanham Act claim was insufficient as a matter of law. 42
    B
    Next, we consider TriMax’s contentions that the evidence introduced at
    trial was not legally sufficient to support the judgment as to WickFire’s tort
    claims or WickFire’s and its founders’ justification defense. Because each of
    these contentions is grounded in state law, we “refer to state law for the kind
    of evidence that must be produced to support a verdict.” 43
    1
    To prevail at trial on its tortious interference with contractual relations
    claim, WickFire needed to present sufficient proof of the following: “(1) an
    existing contract subject to interference, (2) a willful and intentional act of
    interference with the contract, (3) that proximately caused the plaintiff’s
    injury, and (4) caused actual damages or loss.” 44 At the close of WickFire’s
    case, TriMax challenged the proof offered as to each element in an adequate,
    albeit generic, Rule 50(a) motion. TriMax renewed that motion after the jury
    returned its verdict, and before this court again argues the claim was infirm
    41  
    919 F.3d 291
    , 295 n.16 (5th Cir. 2019) (quoting Kiva Kitchen & Bath Inc. v. Capital
    Distrib., Inc., 319 F. App’x 316, 322 (5th Cir. 2009)).
    42 See Miller v. Travis County, 
    953 F.3d 817
    , 822 (5th Cir. 2020).
    43 Wackman v. Rubsamen, 
    602 F.3d 391
    , 400 (5th Cir. 2010) (quoting Hamburger v.
    State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co., 
    361 F.3d 875
    , 884 (5th Cir. 2004)).
    44 Prudential Ins. Co. of Am. v. Fin. Rev. Servs., Inc., 
    29 S.W.3d 74
    , 77 (Tex. 2000)
    (citing ACS Invs, Inc. v. McLaughlin, 
    943 S.W.2d 426
    , 430 (Tex. 1997)).
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    as a matter of law. Reviewing de novo, we agree. 45
    Our review of Texas law 46 indicates that to prevail on an interference
    claim, the plaintiff must “present evidence that some obligatory provision of a
    contract [was] breached.” 47 Intermediate appellate courts in Texas have, on
    occasion, suggested an actual breach is not required.                      Relying on those
    decisions, our own court in Cuba v. Pylant noted the following: “Although it
    does not appear that an actual breach must occur, the defendant must have
    intended to induce a breach (even if unsuccessful), thereby making
    performance more difficult in some way that injured the plaintiff.” 48
    But since Cuba was issued, the Supreme Court of Texas appears to have
    clarified the law in this area. In El Paso Healthcare System, Ltd. v. Murphy,
    the Supreme Court of Texas stated the following: “To prevail on a claim for
    tortious interference with an existing contract, [the plaintiff must] present
    evidence that [the defendant] induced [the plaintiff’s co-contracting party] to
    ‘breach the contract,’ and thus interfered with [the plaintiff’s] ‘legal rights
    under the . . . contract.’” 49 This unequivocal language leaves little doubt that
    a breach must result from the defendant’s conduct in order for the plaintiff to
    prevail. To induce commonly connotes not merely attempts at interference, but
    45  Heck v. Triche, 
    775 F.3d 265
    , 272 (5th Cir. 2014) (“We review de novo the district
    court’s denial of a motion for judgment as a matter of law, applying the same standard as the
    district court.” (quoting Foradori v. Harris, 
    523 F.3d 477
    , 485 (5th Cir. 2008))); see also Logan
    v. Burgers Ozark Country Cured Hams Inc., 
    263 F.3d 447
    , 457 (5th Cir. 2001) (“We decline to
    adopt an unduly burdensome view of Rule 50 that would require litigants to detail every
    aspect of a case where . . . a general, all[-]encompassing statement will suffice.”).
    46 See El Paso Healthcare Sys., Ltd. v. Murphy, 
    518 S.W.3d 412
    , 421-22 (Tex. 2017).
    47 Walker v. Beaumont Indep. Sch. Dist., 
    938 F.3d 724
    , 749 (5th Cir. 2019) (quoting
    Better Bus. Bureau of Metro. Houston, Inc. v. John Moore Servs., Inc., 
    441 S.W.3d 345
    , 361
    (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] 2013, pet. denied)).
    48 
    814 F.3d 701
    , 717 (5th Cir. 2016) (citing Fluor Enters., Inc. v. Conex Int’l Corp., 
    273 S.W.3d 426
    , 443 (Tex. App.—Beaumont 2008, pet. denied)).
    49 518 S.W.3d at 421-22 (first quoting Holloway v. Skinner, 
    898 S.W.2d 793
    , 794-95
    (Tex. 1995); and then quoting Associated Indem. Corp. v. CAT Contracting, Inc., 
    964 S.W.2d 276
    , 288 (Tex. 1998)).
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    actual interference. 50         Accordingly, without sufficient proof that the
    defendant’s conduct resulted in “some obligatory provision of a contract
    ha[ving] been breached,” the plaintiff’s tortious interference claim is infirm as
    a matter of law. 51
    WickFire offered no such proof. As discussed earlier, WickFire connects
    with merchants in one of two ways. First, WickFire directly contracts with
    merchants who are seeking advertising services. These individual, merchant-
    to-advertiser contracts contain terms and conditions requiring WickFire’s
    advertisements to meet certain standards that are specific to each agreement.
    In addition to these merchant-to-advertiser contracts, WickFire also connects
    with merchants en masse through affiliate networks.                      WickFire likewise
    maintains contractual relationships with these intermediary affiliate networks
    that require WickFire’s advertisements to meet certain standards. At trial,
    WickFire argued that TriMax tortuously interfered with both types of
    agreements—those it maintained with individual merchants and those it
    maintained with intermediary affiliate networks. 52
    In support of its claim, WickFire unquestionably offered sufficient proof
    50     See     Induce,     MERRIAM–WEBSTER,          https://www.merriam-webster.com
    /dictionary/induce (last visited Feb. 24, 2021) (defining induce to mean either “to move by
    persuasion or influence” or “to call forth or bring about by influence or stimulation”).
    
    51 Walker, 938
     F.3d at 749 (quoting Better Bus. Bureau, 441 S.W.3d at 361); see Duncan
    v. Hindy, 
    590 S.W.3d 713
    , 726-28, 729 (Tex. App.—Eastland 2019, pet. denied) (affirming
    summary judgment as to a tortious interference claim because the plaintiff offered
    insufficient proof that a breach resulted from the defendant’s conduct); see also Duradril,
    L.L.C. v. Dynomax Drilling Tools, Inc., 
    516 S.W.3d 147
    , 168 (Tex. App.—Houston [14th Dist.]
    2017, no pet.) (“[T]o establish the element of a willful and intentional act of interference, the
    plaintiff must produce evidence that the defendant was a more-than-willing participant and
    knowingly induced one of the contracting parties to breach its obligations under the contract.
    To do so, the plaintiff must present evidence that an obligatory provision of the contract was
    breached.” (emphasis added) (internal citations omitted)).
    52 See Wickfire, LLC v. Woodruff, No. A-14-CA-00034-SS, 
    2017 WL 1149075
    , at *3
    (W.D. Tex. Mar. 23, 2017) (noting that “Wickfire offered evidence regarding its merchant and
    affiliate network contracts and their corresponding terms and conditions”).
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    that TriMax intended to influence WickFire’s relationships with both
    individual merchants and the various intermediary affiliate networks with
    whom        WickFire   contracted.     Nevertheless,   WickFire    fell   short     of
    demonstrating that either it or any of its co-contracting parties breached their
    respective obligations to one another as a result of TriMax’s conduct. TriMax’s
    advertisements may have made it appear as though WickFire breached its
    obligations.     But there is no indication WickFire actually breached its
    contractual obligations as a result of TriMax’s conduct. Nor is there any
    indication WickFire’s various co-contracting parties failed to comply with their
    respective contractual obligations as a result of TriMax’s conduct.           Hall
    testified in conclusory terms that some merchants ceased their affiliations with
    WickFire as a result of TriMax’s conduct. But without pointing to specific
    contractual terms that were supposedly breached, a factfinder could only
    speculate as to whether this conduct in fact amounted to a breach of an
    underlying contractual term.
    WickFire’s claim is analogous to the tortious interference claim
    considered by the Supreme Court of Texas in El Paso Healthcare System.
    There, Murphy, the nurse-plaintiff, “worked as an independent practitioner
    under contract with West Texas OB Anesthesia in El Paso.” 53 West Texas OB
    maintained a contractual relationship with El Paso Healthcare’s Las Palmas
    Medical Center whereby it would provide medical staff to the medical center
    when needed. 54         “Las Palmas would request staffing for particular
    assignments, and West Texas OB would offer those shifts to Murphy and its
    other contractors.” 55 A dispute occurred between Murphy and a physician at
    53 518 S.W.3d at 414.
    54 See id.
    55 Id.
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    Las Palmas that prompted Las Palmas to conduct an investigation. 56 Las
    Palmas asked that Murphy not to be assigned to the medical center during the
    pendency of the investigation. 57
    Thereafter, Murphy sued Las Palmas for tortious interference, claiming
    “that [Las Palmas had] interfered with her business relationship with West
    Texas OB by requesting that [she] not be scheduled at Las Palmas while it
    conducted its investigation.” 58        The Supreme Court of Texas ultimately
    reversed a jury verdict in Murphy’s favor. 59 The court’s analysis turned on the
    fact that “[n]either Las Palmas nor West Texas OB were required to offer
    Murphy any assignments, and she was not required to accept any assignments
    that were offered.” 60 “To prevail on a claim for tortious interference with an
    existing contract,” the court noted, “Murphy had to present evidence that [Las
    Palmas] induced West Texas OB to ‘breach the contract,’ and thus interfered
    with Murphy’s ‘legal rights under the . . . contract.’” 61 In Murphy’s case, “an
    obligation to provide employment was not a term of Murphy’s existing contract
    with West Texas OB.” 62        Murphy’s contract called for payment when she
    worked, but it did not require West Texas OB “to schedule Murphy at Las
    Palmas, or indeed at any hospital.” 63 Because Las Palmas’s actions had not
    interfered with Murphy’s contract, Murphy’s tortious interference claim failed
    as a matter of law. 64
    56 See id. at 415, 420.
    57 See id.
    58 Id. at 420.
    59 See id. at 421.
    60 Id. at 414.
    61 Id. at 421-22 (internal citations omitted) (first quoting Holloway v. Skinner, 
    898 S.W.2d 793
    , 794-95 (Tex. 1995); and then quoting Associated Indem. Corp. v. CAT
    Contracting, Inc., 
    964 S.W.2d 276
    , 288 (Tex. 1998)).
    62 Id. at 422.
    63 Id.
    64 See id.
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    Like Murphy, WickFire produced evidence that a third party had a
    deleterious financial effect on its bottom line. But as was the case in El Paso
    Healthcare System, the record here fails to indicate that WickFire’s damages
    occurred because a co-contracting party breached its agreement with WickFire.
    The record in this case is devoid of any indication that either an individual
    merchant or an affiliate network breached a contractual obligation as a result
    of TriMax’s conduct. To the extent an individual merchant or an affiliate
    network ceased relying on WickFire for its advertising services because of
    TriMax’s conduct, there is no evidence that these entities were contractually
    required to place advertisements with WickFire. Because there is no evidence
    TriMax’s conduct in fact induced any entity to breach an agreement with
    WickFire, WickFire’s tortious interference with contractual relations claim
    fails as a matter of law. 65
    2
    Next, we consider the evidence offered in support of WickFire’s tortious
    interference with prospective business relations claim. This claim required
    proof of the following five elements:
    (1) there was a reasonable probability that the plaintiff would have
    entered into a business relationship with a third party; (2) the
    defendant either acted with a conscious desire to prevent the
    relationship from occurring or knew the interference was certain
    or substantially certain to occur as a result of the conduct; (3) the
    defendant’s conduct was independently tortious or unlawful;
    (4) the interference proximately caused the plaintiff injury; and
    (5) the plaintiff suffered actual damage or loss as a result. 66
    65   Our conclusion should not be misunderstood as an endorsement of TriMax’s
    conduct. Nor should it be taken as a suggestion that WickFire could never have held TriMax
    liable in tort for this type of conduct. Rather, our conclusion is simply that WickFire’s failure
    to demonstrate specific breaches as a result of TriMax’s conduct precludes a finding of
    liability as to this claim.
    66 Coinmach Corp. v. Aspenwood Apartment Corp., 
    417 S.W.3d 909
    , 923 (Tex. 2013)
    (first citing Wal–Mart Stores, Inc. v. Sturges, 
    52 S.W.3d 711
    , 726 (Tex. 2001); and then citing
    Bradford v. Vento, 
    48 S.W.3d 749
    , 757 (Tex. 2001)).
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    Before the district court, TriMax challenged the sufficiency of the evidence as
    to each element in both its Rule 50(a) and Rule 50(b) motions. On appeal,
    TriMax challenges the sufficiency of the evidence as to a number of these
    elements. We pretermit discussion of all but one. Reviewing de novo, 67 we
    conclude that the evidence of WickFire’s actual damages is insufficient as a
    matter of law.
    To recover lost profits under Texas law, a party “must do more than show
    that [it] suffered some lost profits”—it must show the amount of profits lost “by
    competent evidence with reasonable certainty.” 68                    “What constitutes
    reasonably certain evidence of lost profits is a fact intensive determination.” 69
    “At a minimum, opinions or estimates of lost profits must be based on objective
    facts, figures, or data from which the amount of lost profits may be
    ascertained.” 70 However, “it is not necessary to produce in court the documents
    supporting the opinions or estimates.” 71 Although there are a number of valid
    methods for measuring lost profits, “once a party has chosen a particular
    method for measuring [its] lost profits, [the party] must provide a complete
    calculation.” 72   “[U]ncertainty as to the fact of legal damages is fatal to
    recovery, but uncertainty as to the amount will not defeat recovery.” 73
    WickFire’s damages theory for this claim was grounded in the assertions
    that TriMax’s tortious conduct delayed the development of TheCoupon.co
    website by six months and that WickFire lost $334,000 in profits because of
    67 See Heck v. Triche, 
    775 F.3d 265
    , 272-73 (5th Cir. 2014).
    68  Szczepanik v. First S. Tr. Co., 
    883 S.W.2d 648
    , 649 (Tex. 1994) (citing Tex.
    Instruments v. Teletron Energy Mgmt., Inc., 
    877 S.W.2d 276
    , 279 (Tex. 1994)).
    69 Holt Atherton Indus., Inc. v. Heine, 
    835 S.W.2d 80
    , 84 (Tex. 1992).
    70 Szczepanik, 883 S.W.2d at 649 (citing Holt Atherton, 835 S.W.2d at 84).
    71 Holt Atherton, 835 S.W.2d at 84.
    72 Id. at 85.
    73 Phillips v. Carlton Energy Grp., LLC, 
    475 S.W.3d 265
    , 280 (Tex. 2015) (quoting Sw.
    Battery Corp. v. Owen, 
    115 S.W.2d 1097
    , 1099 (Tex. 1938)).
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    that delay. When WickFire’s damages expert was asked how he calculated
    that dollar figure, the expert said that he had “quantified those damages by
    calculating the amount of profits that [WickFire] lost because of the six-month
    delay.” He did not testify as to how he performed that calculation, nor did he
    point to any data concerning the business generated by TheCoupon.co. This
    evidence is threadbare and conclusory. We accordingly conclude that WickFire
    failed to provide a complete calculation showing it lost $334,000 in profits due
    to TriMax’s conduct.
    Nor has WickFire presented “legally sufficient evidence to prove a lesser,
    ascertainable amount of lost profits with reasonable certainty.” 74 WickFire
    provided no method at all for calculating the profits lost due to the delay in
    launching TheCoupon.co. Consequently, the evidence provided by WickFire is
    not sufficient to prove with reasonable certainty that WickFire lost any profits
    because of the delay in the launch of this website. Although there is evidence
    in the record that TheCoupon.co was ultimately profitable, that evidence alone
    does not prove with reasonable certainty that WickFire lost profits due to
    TriMax’s conduct. Because the evidence of damages is insufficient as a matter
    of law, we reverse the judgment as it concerns this claim. 75
    3
    We turn now to the civil conspiracy claim.                 The elements of a civil
    conspiracy under Texas law are as follows:
    (1) a combination of two or more persons; (2) the persons seek to
    accomplish an object or course of action; (3) the persons reach a
    meeting of the minds on the object or course of action; (4) one or
    more unlawful, overt acts are taken in pursuance of the object or
    74  ERI Consulting Eng’rs, Inc. v. Swinnea, 
    318 S.W.3d 867
    , 877 (Tex. 2010) (concluding
    that the plaintiff did not provide sufficient evidence to support “the amount of damages
    awarded by the trial court” but did proffer adequate evidence to prove a lesser amount).
    
    75 Phillips, 475
     S.W.3d at 280 (noting that “uncertainty as to the fact of legal damages
    is fatal to recovery” (quoting Sw. Battery Corp, 115 S.W.2d at 1099)).
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    course of action; and (5) damages occur as a proximate result. 76
    But the Supreme Court of Texas has repeatedly emphasized that “civil
    conspiracy [is] a ‘derivative tort,’ meaning it depends on some underlying tort
    or other illegal act.” 77 The court’s “use of the word ‘derivative’ in this context
    means a civil conspiracy claim is connected to the underlying tort and survives
    or fails alongside it.” 78 Here, each of WickFire’s underlying claims failed.79
    Consequently, the judgment as to this claim must be reversed.
    4
    Lastly, we consider TriMax’s interference with existing contracts claim,
    specifically the sufficiency of the evidence offered in support of WickFire’s,
    Hall’s, and Brown’s justification defense. TriMax challenged the sufficiency of
    the evidence as to this defense in its Rule 50(a) motion. However, they did not
    move for judgment as a matter of law on this issue under Rule 50(b), instead
    seeking relief pursuant to Rule 59. In at least one unpublished opinion, we
    concluded a litigant’s sufficiency-of-the-evidence arguments were preserved for
    appeal in these circumstances. 80 But we need not decide whether the same
    result should attach here. Even assuming TriMax’s arguments are entitled to
    de novo review, there was sufficient evidence to support the jury’s verdict.
    Under Texas law, “the affirmative defense of justification can be based
    on the exercise of . . . a good-faith claim to a colorable legal right, even though
    76  First United Pentecostal Church of Beaumont v. Parker, 
    514 S.W.3d 214
    , 222 (Tex.
    2017) (citing Tri v. J.T.T., 
    162 S.W.3d 552
    , 556 (Tex. 2005)).
    77 Agar Corp. v. Electro Circuits Int’l, LLC, 
    580 S.W.3d 136
    , 140-41 (Tex. 2019) (first
    citing Chu v. Hong, 
    249 S.W.3d 441
    , 444 (Tex. 2008); and then citing Tilton v. Marshall, 
    925 S.W.2d 672
    , 681 (Tex. 1996)).
    78 
    Id.
     (citing NME Hosps., Inc. v. Rennels, 
    994 S.W.2d 142
    , 148 (Tex. 1999)).
    79 See id. at 142 (“Civil conspiracy requires an underlying tort that has caused
    damages.” (citing Tilton, 925 S.W.2d at 681)).
    80 See Groden v. Allen, 279 F. App’x 290, 292-93 (5th Cir. 2008) (per curiam).
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    that claim ultimately proves to be mistaken.” 81               Here, we see nothing to
    indicate WickFire’s putative “kickbacks” or its bidding practices were illegal or
    tortious, which would, under Texas law, preclude the defense as a matter of
    law. 82 The jury also heard ample evidence to support its verdict.
    WickFire      presented      testimony      that     Google     conducts    thorough
    investigations of alleged wrongdoing; that WickFire had been investigated for
    allegedly problematic bidding practices in the past; and that WickFire had
    never been told that its practices were problematic or unethical. There is
    likewise evidence in the record suggesting Google recommended merchants
    work with WickFire and evidence that Google made WickFire one of its
    “premier partner[s].” Of course, Google is not the “ultimate arbiter” of what
    conduct is legal or illegal. Likewise, Google’s investigations may have only
    considered       whether        WickFire’s        bidding      practices      relating        to
    WebCrawler.com—not TheCoupon.co—were within Google’s standards. But
    the evidence taken in the light most favorable to WickFire supports the
    conclusion that WickFire believed itself to be operating within the bounds of
    the law during Google’s auctions.
    We note that it is not clear whether the jury’s verdict was premised on
    alleged kickbacks or alleged predatory bidding. But in light of our conclusion
    that at least one of WickFire’s justification-defense theories was supported by
    sufficient evidence, we need not consider WickFire’s alternative justification
    theory, namely that the putative “kickbacks” were actually a proper business
    development strategy. Even assuming WickFire did not present sufficient
    evidence to support this alternative defense, the verdict must stand. We “trust
    81  Cmty. Health Sys. Prof’l Servs. Corp. v. Hansen, 
    525 S.W.3d 671
    , 697 (Tex. 2017)
    (citing Prudential Ins. Co. of Am. v. Fin. Rev. Servs., Inc., 
    29 S.W.3d 74
    , 80 (Tex. 2000)).
    82 See 
    id.
     (“The defense does not apply when the interference is by illegal or tortious
    means, such as misrepresentation or fraud.” (citing Prudential, 29 S.W.3d at 81)).
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    the jury to have sorted the factually supported from the [allegedly]
    unsupported.” 83 Accordingly, TriMax is not entitled to judgment as a matter
    of law on WickFire’s justification defense.
    *        *         *
    TriMax’s motion to dismiss is DENIED. The district court’s judgment is
    REVERSED as to WickFire’s tortious interference claims and its civil
    conspiracy claim. The judgment is AFFIRMED in all other respects. The case
    is REMANDED for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
    83Nester v. Textron, Inc., 
    888 F.3d 151
    , 160 (5th Cir. 2018) (noting that “a jury verdict
    may be sustained even though not all the theories on which it was submitted had sufficient
    evidentiary support” (quoting Prestenbach v. Rains, 
    4 F.3d 358
    , 361 n.2 (5th Cir. 1993))).
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