United States v. Norbert ( 2021 )


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  • Case: 20-60106     Document: 00515782505         Page: 1    Date Filed: 03/16/2021
    United States Court of Appeals
    for the Fifth Circuit
    United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    FILED
    March 16, 2021
    No. 20-60106                         Lyle W. Cayce
    Clerk
    United States of America,
    Plaintiff—Appellant,
    versus
    Okanlawan O. Norbert,
    Defendant—Appellee.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Southern District of Mississippi
    USDC No. 3:19-CR-50
    Before Davis, Stewart, and Oldham, Circuit Judges.
    W. Eugene Davis, Circuit Judge:
    The Government appeals the district court’s ruling granting
    Defendant-Appellee Okanlawan O. Norbert’s motion to suppress evidence
    that was critical to establish the Government’s charge of possession of a
    firearm by a convicted felon. The district court determined that police
    officers did not have reasonable suspicion to conduct the investigatory stop
    of Norbert. Therefore, Norbert’s gun and statements to the police were
    suppressed as “fruit of the poisonous tree.” Because the district court did
    not err in finding that the officers did not have reasonable suspicion to
    conduct an investigatory stop, we AFFIRM.
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    I.    BACKGROUND
    Norbert was charged in a one-count indictment for possession of a
    firearm by a convicted felon, in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. §§ 922
    (g)(1) and
    924(a)(2). Following his indictment, Norbert moved to suppress the
    evidence of the gun and statements that he made to police officers before and
    after discovery of the gun, arguing that the police lacked any legal basis for
    the stop that resulted in discovery of the incriminating evidence.
    The district court held a suppression hearing, where Investigators
    Felix McClinton and Kevin Lavine from the Hinds County Sheriff’s Office
    testified. Investigator McClinton testified that on the morning of
    November 29, 2017, he received a phone call with an anonymous tip that
    illegal drugs were being sold in the parking lot of the Millsaps Apartments in
    Jackson, Mississippi. The caller said that she was in management at the
    apartment complex and described the suspected dealer as a “black male, dark
    skinned, slender build with gold teeth known as ‘N.O.’” who drove a black
    Infiniti with a license plate of “HVK225.” The complainant told McClinton
    that the alleged drug dealing was a “personal safety issue” and “the residents
    of the apartment complex were in fear of coming and going.” However,
    McClinton testified that “he [could] not verify that it was someone from
    management” on the phone and he did not get the caller’s name or telephone
    number. It was also unclear whether the caller witnessed the alleged drug
    activity herself or if she was only told about it by residents. 1
    1
    On direct exam, McClinton said that the caller told him it was a personal safety
    issue and “[she was] in fear of -- and also the residents of the apartment complex were in
    fear of coming and going . . . in the parking lot.” Based on this testimony, it appears that
    the caller was reporting on drug activity that residents in the complex had brought to her
    attention. Later, the court asked McClinton the following question: “So the caller
    identified herself as someone from management and indicated that -- did she indicate that
    2
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    McClinton testified that he found the tipster to be credible based on
    his “training and experience.” Around 8:00 P.M., McClinton and six to eight
    police officers went to the apartment complex to investigate the complaint.
    Upon arrival, McClinton saw “[t]hree to four individuals standing in the
    parking lot of the apartment complex standing next to some vehicles.”
    McClinton said that he also saw a vehicle and an individual that matched the
    description provided by the complainant, but he “did not see any drug
    transactions taking place.”
    The police officers approached the men in the parking lot and said that
    they were investigating reported drug activity in the area. McClinton testified
    that when he asked the men if any of them lived at the apartment complex,
    none of them said that they did. The officers then conducted pat downs of
    the men for “officer safety,” and the men identified themselves, enabling the
    officers to check through dispatch to see if any of them had valid warrants or
    criminal history on record. During the pat down, the officers discovered that
    one man had a misdemeanor amount of marijuana in his possession, but no
    evidence was found on Norbert’s person.
    she had seen certain activity?” And McClinton replied, “Yes.” Based on this testimony, it
    appears that the caller herself may have witnessed activity in the parking lot, although the
    question about “certain activity” makes it unclear what specific activity she saw. A
    reasonable view of the evidence that the district court was entitled to take was that the
    caller’s statement was so ambiguous that the court was unable to find that she herself
    witnessed drug activity. She could have been referring to the presence of individuals and
    vehicles in the parking lot who she did not believe belonged there. The dissent argues that
    it is clear the caller herself witnessed drug activity in the parking lot. However, the
    Government admitted during oral argument that the only testimony from the suppression
    hearing that supports this claim is that McClinton said the caller had witnessed “certain
    activity,” without any further explanation of the activity. Therefore, there is ambiguity
    about what the caller herself witnessed prior to calling the police.
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    McClinton testified that he then spoke to Norbert, who confirmed
    ownership of the black Infiniti, which was parked approximately 15 to 20 feet
    away. McClinton said that he then walked over to the Infiniti, looked in the
    window, and saw a handgun on the floorboard in front of the driver’s seat,
    near the center console. He testified that he spoke to Norbert briefly, then
    opened the unlocked car door to secure the handgun due to officer safety
    concerns, but could not remember if Norbert had given him permission to
    enter the car.
    Meanwhile, Investigator Lavine testified that when the officers
    arrived at the apartment complex, he saw the black Infiniti and several black
    men in the parking lot. After the police officers approached the group of men,
    Lavine said that Norbert walked toward the group from a courtyard area
    because “he wasn’t there originally with the guys.” Lavine conducted a pat
    down of Norbert. 2
    After the pat down, Lavine said that he struck up a conversation with
    Norbert, who “stated kind of jokingly, ‘Man, I started to run, but then I
    realized there was some more of you all on the other side. So I just turned
    around and came back.’” 3 Lavine testified that Norbert identified the black
    2
    There is ambiguity in the record on how the pat downs were conducted,
    particularly whether all the men were patted down simultaneously or one at a time.
    However, the Government concedes that it cannot establish that any of the pat downs
    occurred before Norbert’s, including the pat down that revealed the presence of marijuana
    on one of Norbert’s companions.
    3
    The dissent attempts to argue that the record suggests that the pat down occurred
    after Norbert’s remark about running. However, the district court in its Memorandum
    Opinion and Order dated January 13, 2020 laid out the same sequence of events as the
    majority does: “Investigator Lavine states he conducted a brief Terry pat of Norbert.
    Investigator Lavine also said that he began to speak with Norbert about Norbert’s
    accent . . . Norbert told Investigator Lavine that he had ‘started to run but then . . . realized
    there was some more of you all on the other side.’” “In considering a ruling on a motion to
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    Infiniti as his. Lavine then walked over to the car, looked inside the window,
    and saw a gun wedged between the driver’s seat and center console. Lavine
    testified that Norbert gave the officers consent to enter the vehicle. Lavine
    also said that the officers knew that Norbert had a felony conviction prior to
    seeing the gun in the car because they asked all the men for their
    identification and ran their names to check for criminal histories. After the
    police officers confirmed with Hinds County dispatch that Norbert had a
    felony conviction, Norbert was arrested.
    Following the suppression hearing, the district court issued a written
    order granting Norbert’s motion to suppress. The district court concluded
    that: (1) Norbert’s detention was properly classified as an investigatory stop,
    not an arrest; (2) the police officers lacked reasonable suspicion to conduct
    an investigatory stop of Norbert based on the anonymous tip and insufficient
    on-scene corroboration or verification of the tip; and (3) Norbert’s gun and
    statements to the police should be suppressed because they derived solely
    from the illegal stop. The Government timely filed an interlocutory appeal.
    II.    DISCUSSION
    A. Reasonable Suspicion
    “In considering a ruling on a motion to suppress, we review the
    district court’s factual findings for clear error and its legal conclusions,
    including its ultimate conclusion as to the constitutionality of the law
    enforcement action, de novo.” 4 “Factual findings are clearly erroneous only
    suppress, we review the district court’s factual findings for clear error.” United States v.
    Chavez, 
    281 F.3d 479
    , 483 (5th Cir. 2002). Nothing in the record supports a finding that
    the district court’s factual finding on the sequence of events in this situation was clearly
    erroneous. Accordingly, we decline to adopt the dissent’s version of events.
    4
    United States v. Chavez, 
    281 F.3d 479
    , 483 (5th Cir. 2002).
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    if a review of the record leaves this Court with a ‘definite and firm conviction
    that a mistake has been committed.’” 5 In addition to deferring to the district
    court’s factual findings, “[w]e view the evidence in the light most favorable
    to the party that prevailed in the district court,” which in this case is
    Norbert. 6 A district court’s ruling on a suppression motion should be upheld
    “if there is any reasonable view of the evidence to support it.” 7
    “A temporary, warrantless detention of an individual constitutes a
    seizure for Fourth Amendment purposes and must be justified by reasonable
    suspicion that criminal activity has taken or is currently taking place;
    otherwise, evidence obtained through such a detention may be excluded.” 8
    To determine the reasonableness of such a detention, the court must examine
    “whether the officer’s action was justified at its inception” and whether the
    officer’s subsequent actions were “reasonably related in scope to the
    circumstances which justified the interference.” 9 To establish that a police
    officer’s actions were justified at their inception, the officer must have a
    reasonable basis to suspect criminal activity. 10 The Government has the
    burden of proving reasonable suspicion. 11
    5
    United States v. Hearn, 
    563 F.3d 95
    , 101 (5th Cir. 2009) (quoting United States v.
    Hernandez, 
    279 F.3d 302
    , 306 (5th Cir. 2002)).
    6
    Chavez, 
    281 F.3d at 483
    .
    7
    United States v. Michelletti, 
    13 F.3d 838
    , 841 (5th Cir. 1994) (en banc) (citation
    omitted).
    8
    United States v. Garza, 
    727 F.3d 436
    , 440 (5th Cir. 2013); see Terry v. Ohio, 
    39 U.S. 1
    , 29–31 (1968).
    
    9 Terry, 392
     U.S. at 20.
    10
    United States v. Martinez, 
    486 F.3d 855
    , 864 (5th Cir. 2007).
    11
    
    Id.
     at 859–60.
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    “The Supreme Court has evinced a strong distrust of anonymous tips.
    In particular, it has stated an anonymous tip that provides verifiable
    information as to a person’s identity and location, without more, is
    insufficient to justify an investigative stop.” 12 Only “under appropriate
    circumstances” does an anonymous tip “demonstrate ‘sufficient indicia of
    reliability to provide reasonable suspicion to make [an] investigatory
    stop.’” 13 To determine if an informant’s tip provides reasonable suspicion
    for an investigative stop, the Fifth Circuit considers various factors,
    including:
    the credibility and reliability of the informant, the specificity of
    the information contained in the tip or report, the extent to
    which the information in the tip or report can be verified by
    officers in the field, and whether the tip or report concerns
    active or recent activity, or has instead gone stale. 14
    The Government does not challenge the district court’s
    determination that the detention and pat down of Norbert was an
    investigatory stop that required reasonable suspicion. Instead, the
    Government contends that the district court erred in concluding the tip was
    not credible or reliable and the police officers did not properly verify the tip.
    Moreover, it claims that the district court erred in balancing the factors for
    determining whether the informant’s tip provided reasonable suspicion for
    the investigative stop, which in turn allowed the police officers to perform a
    12
    
    Id. at 862
    .
    13
    Navarette v. California, 
    572 U.S. 393
    , 397 (2014) (quoting Alabama v. White, 
    496 U.S. 325
    , 327 (1990)).
    14
    Martinez, 
    486 F.3d at 861
     (quoting United States v. Gonzalez, 
    190 F.3d 668
    , 672
    (5th Cir. 1999)).
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    protective sweep and seize the gun. This Court will consider each of the
    factors, in turn.
    1. Credibility and Reliability of the Informant
    Tips from known informants who have given police reliable
    information in the past are generally recognized as credible and reliable.15
    “Unlike a tip from a known informant whose reputation can be assessed and
    who can be held responsible if her allegations turn out to be fabricated . . . ‘an
    anonymous tip alone seldom demonstrates the informant’s basis of
    knowledge or veracity.’” 16 Even if a tip is anonymous, a specific, detailed
    description of criminal behavior contemporaneously reported to emergency
    services by an eyewitness “or made under the stress of excitement caused by
    a startling event” may bear sufficient indicia of credibility and reliability.17
    Crucially, an anonymous tip must “be reliable in its assertion of illegality, not
    just in its tendency to identify a determinate person.” 18 Further, this Court
    considers statements solicited by police that “fit into the end of an ongoing
    investigation, rather than prompting the beginning of a new one” to be more
    credible and reliable than “unsolicited information” about people unknown
    to the police. 19 As a final note, when an anonymous tipster provides
    15
    United States v. Powell, 
    732 F.3d 361
    , 371 (5th Cir. 2013); United States v.
    Holloway, 
    962 F.2d 451
    , 460 (5th Cir. 1992).
    16
    Florida v. J.L., 
    529 U.S. 266
    , 270 (2000) (quoting White, 
    496 U.S. at 329
    ).
    17
    Navarette, 572 U.S. at 399–400.
    18
    J.L., 
    529 U.S. at 272
     (emphasis added).
    19
    United States v. Blount, 
    123 F.3d 831
    , 837 (5th Cir. 1997).
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    information about a suspect’s future activity that is verified, it offers added
    credibility for the tipster. 20
    The district court found that the informant’s tip lacked credibility and
    reliability because the caller did not provide her name or phone number and
    had no history of reliable reports of criminal activity, and the police officers
    did not attempt to contact the management at the Millsaps Apartments to
    determine who made the phone call.
    The Government argues that the district court placed too much
    emphasis on the fact that the informant did not provide her name or phone
    number and failed to credit McClinton’s determination that the caller was
    credible. The Government emphasizes the fact that the caller considered the
    suspected drug dealing to be a “personal safety issue” for tenants, and even
    though the caller was anonymous, she should not be treated any differently
    from an average citizen providing information to the police. The Government
    contends that the details the caller provided shows that she had a sufficient
    “basis of knowledge” to “lend[] significant support to the tip’s reliability,” 21
    and simply because it was not a 911 call or it lacked contemporaneousness
    does not mean that the tipster was unreliable.
    In this case, the caller was unknown to the police and only identified
    herself as a manager of the Millsaps Apartments. She did not provide her
    name, phone number, or any other identifying information, and the police
    officers did not take any further steps to ascertain her identity or confirm her
    position as a manager of the apartment complex. “All the police had to go on
    20
    See White, 
    496 U.S. at 332
    . For further analysis of tips involving a suspect’s
    future activity, see factor 3.
    21
    See Navarette, 572 U.S. at 399.
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    in this case was the bare report of an unknown, unaccountable informant”
    and while “[a]n accurate description of a suspect’s readily observable
    location and appearance” will help the police correctly identify the person
    being accused, “the tip does not show that the tipster has knowledge of
    concealed criminal activity.” 22 “The reasonable suspicion here at issue
    requires that a tip be reliable in its assertion of illegality, not just in its
    tendency to identify a determinate person.” 23
    Moreover, the information provided was not an emergency reported
    contemporaneously to 911 that required immediate action, which
    distinguishes this case from Navarette v. California. 24 In Navarette, which the
    Government argues is analogous to the instant case, a tipster called 911 soon
    after she had been run off the road by a driver who was driving dangerously.
    The Supreme Court noted “[t]hat sort of contemporaneous report has long
    been treated as especially reliable.” 25 The Court also determined that
    “[a]nother indicator of veracity is the caller’s use of the 911 emergency
    system” because “[a] 911 call has some features that allow for identifying and
    tracing callers, and thus provide some safeguards against making false reports
    with immunity.” 26 As indicated in this case, the information was not
    transmitted in a 911 call and no evidence was presented that the Hinds
    County Sheriff’s Office automatically records the calls it receives or the
    caller’s phone number. The caller did not clearly convey what, if anything,
    she saw involving illegal drug activity, and the officers obviously did not
    22
    See J.L., 529 at 271–72.
    23
    See id. at 272.
    24
    572 U.S. at 399–400.
    25
    Id. at 399.
    26
    Id. at 400.
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    conclude that there was any emergency because they arrived at the apartment
    complex at least eight hours after the call. Therefore, the Government’s
    reliance on Navarette is misguided. Finally, although the Government argues
    that McClinton deemed the caller to be credible based on his “training and
    experience,” it does not otherwise explain how he reached that conclusion.
    Accordingly, we conclude that the district court did not err in finding
    that the credibility and reliability of the informant weighed in Norbert’s
    favor.
    2. Specificity of the Information in the Tip
    In this case, the district court concluded that the information provided
    was specific enough to identify Norbert because it included a description of
    Norbert, his alias (“N.O.”), a description of his car, and his car license plate
    number. The tip also gave the location of where the alleged drug sales were
    occurring. Therefore, the district court determined—and the Government
    agrees—that the tip was “relatively specific” enough and that this factor
    weighs in the Government’s favor. Norbert argues that the description of him
    as a “black male, dark skinned, slender build with gold teeth” was not
    specific enough to identify him. Norbert emphasizes the fact that 82.02
    percent of Jackson’s 160,080 population is “Black or African American” and
    assuming about one-half of the black people in Jackson are male, there are
    about 65,648 males in the city that are “Black or African American.”
    This factor is a close call. On one hand, the caller did not only identify
    Norbert as a black man, but also provided his nickname, the unique attributes
    of his teeth, and information about his car that was mostly correct; on the
    other hand, the caller simply provided information that would help identify
    Norbert but did not provide sufficient detail to “be reliable in its assertion of
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    illegality, not just in its tendency to identify a determinate person.” 27
    Although the information provided was arguably sufficient to allow the police
    to identify Norbert, as we discuss further below, it did not provide sufficient
    detail to be reliable in its assertion of illegality. We agree with the district
    court that this factor weighs in part in favor of the Government because the
    tip was sufficiently specific enough to identify Norbert.
    3. Verification of the Information in the Tip
    Even if the credibility and reliability of an informant is not established,
    police officers may still have reasonable suspicion to conduct an investigatory
    stop if the officers are able to verify the tip. 28 In addition to police
    observations, a tip may be verified by reports of unlawful behavior from other,
    credible sources. 29 However, the corroboration of innocent information, such
    as a person’s identification or whereabouts, “absent any corroboration of the
    illegal activity itself” does not in and of itself provide a basis to conduct an
    investigatory stop. 30 Because the tip was not presented as a 911 call or a
    contemporaneous emergency, or predict future behavior, the police’s failure
    to corroborate illegal activity was insufficient verification of the tip to justify
    the stop. 31
    27
    J.L., 529 at 272.
    28
    See United States v. Martinez, 
    486 F.3d 855
    , 863 (5th Cir. 2007); J.L., 
    529 U.S. at 270
    .
    29
    See United States v. Holloway, 
    962 F.2d 451
    , 460 (5th Cir. 1992).
    30
    Martinez, 
    486 F.3d at 864
    .
    31
    See United States v. Gomez, 
    623 F.3d 265
    , 271 (5th Cir. 2010). As discussed
    earlier, it is also not clear that the caller herself witnessed the drug activity, which further
    distinguishes this case from Navarette, where the “caller necessarily claimed eyewitness
    knowledge of the alleged dangerous driving.” See 572 U.S. at 399.
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    In United States v. Martinez, this Court determined that an unknown
    informant’s tip that a man named “Angel” was storing weapons that had
    been used in a quadruple homicide at a particular address did not provide
    officers with reasonable suspicion to stop Angel when he was found at the
    address. 32 This Court focused on the fact that there was no evidence in the
    record to suggest a basis for finding the informant credible, such as whether
    the informant had previously dealt with the police, and therefore the
    reliability factor weighed against the Government. 33 Moreover, “absent any
    corroboration of the illegal activity itself,” the officers did not have
    reasonable suspicion to conduct a stop; “[t]hat the police might corroborate
    a mountain of innocent data, such as a person’s identification and
    whereabouts, does not provide any basis for executing a Terry stop on that
    person.” 34 This Court concluded that the only verified information the police
    had when they stopped Angel was his name and the fact that he was in a
    specific residence, but “[n]otably absent” was “any verified information that
    ‘criminal activity may be afoot.’” 35 Therefore, the tip was insufficient to give
    rise to reasonable suspicion to conduct a stop. 36
    We have emphasized the importance of corroborating the fact that
    criminal conduct has been or will be committed before conducting a stop. In
    United States v. Roch, this Court concluded that even when an officer knows
    an informant personally and previously obtained reliable information from
    32
    Martinez, 
    486 F.3d at 858, 862
    .
    33
    
    Id.
     at 861–62.
    34
    
    Id. at 864
    .
    35
    
    Id. at 862
     (quoting United States v. Jaquez, 
    421 F.3d 338
    , 340–41 (5th Cir. 2005)).
    36
    
    Id.
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    the informant, it was not enough for a finding of reasonable suspicion. 37 In
    Roch, a confidential informant gave a detailed description of the suspect and
    his white and orange pickup truck, including the fact that he was driving with
    a female passenger, and told police that the suspect planned to pass forged
    checks and had threatened to kill the next cop he saw. 38 Based on this tip, the
    police set up surveillance for several hours and saw the suspect drive away in
    the vehicle the informant described with a female passenger. 39 The police
    followed the suspect’s vehicle and made an investigatory stop when he exited
    the vehicle. 40 When they looked inside the vehicle, they found two guns,
    which were the subject of the indictment and subsequent motion to suppress.
    We reversed the district court’s denial of the motion because “[a]lthough
    reasonable suspicion is a substantially lower standard than probable cause, it
    still requires an indicia of reliability demonstrated by the observation of
    sufficient details that corroborate the informant’s tip” and “while the agents
    could corroborate that a white man was driving a white and orange truck, they
    made no attempt to corroborate the driver’s identity, his felon status, or his
    future activity.” 41
    In this case, the district court concluded that because the anonymous
    tip was not made to 911 and it did not involve an emergency or an immediate
    threat to anyone’s safety, the police officers should have attempted to verify
    or corroborate the information in some way. The only information that the
    police officers were able to verify through their personal observations was
    37
    
    5 F.3d 894
    , 898–99 (5th Cir. 1993).
    38
    
    Id. at 896
    .
    39
    
    Id.
    40
    
    Id.
    41
    
    Id. at 899
    .
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    “innocent data,” such as Norbert’s identification and the location of his
    car, 42 but not that he was engaged in any illegal activity. The district court
    thus concluded that this factor weighed strongly against a finding that the
    officers had reasonable suspicion to conduct an investigatory stop.
    The Government alleges that the district court “went too far in
    insisting” that the police officers should have done more to verify that
    Norbert was engaged in drug sales before conducting an investigatory stop of
    the men in the parking lot. The Government argues that none of the men
    were tenants at the apartment complex and the officers found a misdemeanor
    amount of marijuana on one of the men to be sufficient to give the officers
    reasonable suspicion to conduct the investigatory stop.
    A determination of whether an officer has reasonable suspicion to
    conduct a stop is “answered from the facts known to the officer at the
    time.” 43 Therefore, the Government’s reliance on the finding of the
    misdemeanor amount of marijuana during the pat down of one of the men to
    support a finding of reasonable suspicion is misguided, as the marijuana was
    found as a result of the stop and not before it. To the extent that the
    Government is arguing that the officers believed that the men were
    unlawfully gathered in the parking lot, it does not explain how this supports
    their informant’s complaint of drug activity; the tip did not include any
    allegations of trespassing. 44
    42
    See United States v. Martinez, 
    486 F.3d 855
    , 864 (5th Cir. 2007).
    43
    United States v. Vickers, 
    540 F.3d 356
    , 361 (5th Cir. 2008).
    44
    Moreover, as a factual matter, the Government is incorrect to suggest that none
    of the men resided at the apartment complex. Lavine testified that one of the men said that
    he was residing in an unleased apartment with the permission of his father, a maintenance
    man at the apartment complex.
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    Accordingly, the district court did not err in concluding that the tip as
    to illegal drug activity was not adequately corroborated by police
    observations. The “facts known to the officer[s] at the time” indicate that
    the officers only knew that “N.O.” and his vehicle were at the apartment
    complex. 45 As we have held, “absent any corroboration of the illegal activity
    itself, ‘the government had no reasonable suspicion that the criminal activity
    suggested by the informant was afoot.’” 46
    4. Recentness of the Tip
    Whether or not a tip has gone stale “is to be determined on the facts
    of each case.” 47 Staleness cannot “be determined by simply a ‘mechanical
    counting of the time between’ the time the tip is received and the time the
    tip is used.” 48 Instead, “whether a tip has gone stale depends upon the nature
    of the tip and the nature of the criminal activity alleged.” 49 This Circuit has
    45
    See Vickers, 
    540 F.3d at 361
    .
    46
    Martinez, 
    486 F.3d at 864
     (quoting Roch, 
    5 F.3d at 899
    ). For this reason, Alabama
    v. White, 
    496 U.S. 325
     (1990), upon which the dissent relies, is also distinguishable. Central
    to the Supreme Court’s conclusion in that case that the officers had reasonable suspicion
    to conduct a stop was the fact that the informant provided verifiable information about the
    suspect’s future illegal activity. 
    Id.
     at 330–31; see also Florida v. J.L., 
    529 U.S. 266
    , 271
    (2000) (classifying White as a “close call” and holding that an informant’s failure to
    provide “predictive information” about illegal conduct counsels against a finding of
    reliability); Martinez, 
    486 F.3d at
    863 n.6 (“We note that the tipster did state that he
    expected Angel to leave for Mexico with the guns. This is a predictive statement about
    future behavior, to be sure, but it was not verified in any way and thus could not contribute
    to any reasonable suspicion.”). Here, the caller provided no such information that would
    have allowed the officers to confirm that drug sales were going to take place.
    47
    United States v. Webster, 
    734 F.2d 1048
    , 1056 (5th Cir. 1984).
    48
    United States v. Gonzalez, 
    190 F.3d 668
    , 673 (5th Cir. 1999) (quoting Webster, 
    734 F.2d at 1048
    ).
    49
    
    Id.
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    found a tip to be “exceedingly fresh” when officers initiated a traffic stop
    “approximately two hours” after an informant’s call gave them a tip, 50 and
    it has also found a two-month old tip not stale because “the informant
    described a particular vehicle that had made multiple smuggling trips, thus
    warranting the presumption that it was engaged in continuous activity.” 51
    The district court concluded that even though McClinton received
    the call from the informant in the morning and did not investigate it until the
    night, the caller “alleged an ongoing pattern of illicit drug sales” and the tip
    was therefore not stale under the circumstances. We agree that this factor
    weighs in favor of the police officers and Government.
    5. Balancing the Factors
    “In reviewing a district court’s ruling on a motion to suppress, we
    accept findings of fact unless clearly erroneous, but review de novo the
    ultimate conclusion on Fourth Amendment issues drawn from those
    facts.” 52 Still, “[w]e view the evidence in the light most favorable to the party
    that prevailed in the district court,” which in this case is Norbert. 53 A district
    court’s ruling on a suppression motion should be upheld “if there is any
    reasonable view of the evidence to support it.” 54
    In this case, the district court noted that the verification factor
    controlled its decision in determining whether the police officers had
    50
    United States v. Powell, 
    732 F.3d 361
    , 370–71 (5th Cir. 2013).
    51
    United States v. Villalobos, 
    161 F.3d 285
    , 290 (5th Cir. 1998).
    52
    United States v. Roch, 
    5 F.3d 894
    , 897 (5th Cir. 1993) (citations omitted).
    53
    See United States v. Chavez, 
    281 F.3d 479
    , 483 (5th Cir. 2002).
    54
    United States v. Michelletti, 
    13 F.3d 838
    , 841 (5th Cir. 1994) (en banc) (citation
    omitted).
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    reasonable suspicion to conduct the investigatory stop. As we discuss above,
    although police officers generally do not need to verify or corroborate tips
    from citizens reporting crimes to emergency services, in this case, the phone
    call was not made to 911 and it did not involve an emergency or immediate
    threat to safety. The district court therefore concluded that the officers
    should have attempted to verify the tip in some way before conducting the
    investigatory stop. The district court emphasized the fact that the officers
    were    only        able    to   corroborate        innocent    information—Norbert’s
    identification and the car’s location—from the anonymous tip, which “[did]
    not provide any basis for executing a Terry stop.” 55
    Viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to Norbert, 56 we
    conclude that the district court’s ruling should be affirmed because “there is
    [a] reasonable view of the evidence to support it.” 57 In summary, the
    innocent information from the tip allowed the officers to identify Norbert and
    his car in the parking lot, but the officers patted all the men down after only
    verifying this “innocent information.” Inexplicably, the officers did not get
    the informant’s name or phone number when she called, and she did not
    clearly advise the officers that she had personally observed any illegal drug
    activity. The officers also did not observe any drug activity occurring, nor did
    they attempt to speak with someone in the management office to identify who
    had phoned in the tip. Therefore, the district court did not err in concluding
    55
    See United States v. Martinez, 
    486 F.3d 855
    , 864 (5th Cir. 2007).
    56
    Chavez, 
    281 F.3d at 483
    .
    57
    Michelletti, 
    13 F.3d at 841
     (citation omitted). The dissent also fails to explain
    how, using this Circuit’s standard of review, there is no “reasonable view of the evidence”
    to support the district court’s ruling suppressing the evidence in this case. See 
    id.
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    that the officers lacked the reasonable basis required to conduct an
    investigatory stop.
    Finally, the Government does not challenge the district court’s
    conclusion that the gun and Norbert’s statements should be suppressed as
    “fruit of the poisonous tree” of the unlawful investigatory stop. 58 Rather, the
    Government only argues that the police officers had reasonable suspicion to
    conduct the stop in the first place. Thus, because the gun was found and the
    statements were made as a result of the unlawful stop, the district court did
    not err in concluding that they should be excluded as fruit of the poisonous
    tree.
    The main problem with the dissent is its refusal to recognize the
    standard of review that we must apply in this case. The district court found
    that the informant’s tip lacked credibility and reliability. The district court
    then proceeded to fault the police officers for relying on an anonymous tip
    from an informant they did not know who claimed to be one of the managers
    of an apartment complex. The officers did not get the informant’s name or
    her telephone number and, without verifying any of this information, arrived
    at the apartment complex eight hours later to investigate. The court
    emphasized that the officers were only able to corroborate innocent
    58
    The district court concluded that “[b]ased on the record, the gun and Norbert’s
    statements were derived solely from the illegal Terry stop” because the deputies were only
    able to identify the car as Norbert’s after he was stopped. The police officers also stated
    that they discovered Norbert’s criminal history from either the statements he made during
    the stop or from their call to dispatch after requesting his identification, neither of which
    would have occurred absent the unlawful stop. The district court found that there was no
    “break in the chain of events sufficient to refute the inference that the evidence was a
    product of a Fourth Amendment violation” and therefore, Norbert’s statements and the
    gun had to be suppressed as fruit of the poisonous tree. The Government does not challenge
    the district court’s conclusion that the gun and Norbert’s statements should be suppressed
    as “fruit of the poisonous tree” of the unlawful stop.
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    information, such as the defendant and car’s description, and this did not
    support executing a Terry stop.
    The testimony of McClinton, the investigating officer, reflects that
    the informant’s call was predicated primarily on tenants’ reports of drug
    activity and their safety concerns. The dissent accepts the Government’s
    interpretation of the informant’s statement that she “saw certain activity”
    to mean that she personally witnessed drug activity in the parking lot. Given
    that the law requires us to view the evidence in the light most favorable to
    Norbert—the prevailing party in district court—it is not unreasonable to
    conclude that this statement that the informant “saw certain activity” was
    not definitive enough to mean that she personally saw illegal drug activity. As
    we indicate earlier in the opinion, the district court could have reasonably
    found that the activity the informant saw was increased or unusual activity in
    the parking lot. Although she gave the officers a description of the defendant
    and a description of his automobile, including a license plate number (just
    one digit off), this information could have easily been relayed to an apartment
    manager by her tenants. We must uphold the district court’s ruling “if there
    is any reasonable view of the evidence to support it.” 59 It is clear to us that
    the district court was not obliged to accept the Government’s interpretation
    of the vague term “certain activity” to mean that the informant personally
    witnessed illegal activity.
    The dissent accuses us of ignoring Navarette and disregarding White.
    The majority opinion reflects that we have a detailed discussion of each case
    that explains why we think they do not control. In Navarette, for example, the
    Supreme Court allowed a 911 emergency call to serve as the basis for
    59
    See Michelletti, 
    13 F.3d at 841
    .
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    reasonable suspicion, but that case is distinguishable from this case, where
    the call did not report an emergency and the investigation was conducted
    some eight hours later with ample opportunity for the officers to verify the
    anonymous tip. Moreover, in each of those cases, the Court was reviewing a
    district court’s order denying the motion to suppress. Accordingly, these two
    Supreme Court cases are distinguishable from the case at hand.
    III.   CONCLUSION
    Viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to Norbert, and
    because there is a reasonable view of the evidence supporting the district
    court’s ruling, we AFFIRM the district court’s order suppressing the gun
    and Norbert’s statements.
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    Andrew S. Oldham, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    Today’s majority holds that a police officer cannot conduct a Terry
    stop until he personally witnesses the commission of a crime and hence has
    probable cause to make an arrest. Of course, Terry itself held that officers
    need mere reasonable suspicion—far less than probable cause—to stop
    someone. See Terry v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
     (1968). More than 50 years of Fourth
    Amendment cases depend on that distinction. So the majority’s decision to
    underrule it will have grave consequences that extend far beyond this case. I
    respectfully but emphatically dissent.
    I.
    Ordinarily, I’d start with the constitutional text and the original public
    understanding of it. The Fourth Amendment provides: “The right of the
    people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
    unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated . . . .” U.S.
    Const. amend. IV. That text says nothing about suppression. See United
    States v. Leon, 
    468 U.S. 897
    , 906 (1984) (“The Fourth Amendment contains
    no provision expressly precluding the use of evidence obtained in violation of
    its commands.”). To the contrary, the common-law rule at the Founding
    rejected suppression as a Fourth Amendment remedy. See Bishop Atterbury’s
    Trial, 16 How. St. Tr. 323, 640 (1723); William J. Cuddihy, The
    Fourth Amendment: Origins and Original Meaning 602–
    1791, at 431 (2009) (“The common law . . . rejected the exclusionary rule
    decisively in Bishop Atterbury’s Case. . . .”).
    Suppression instead is a post-Founding, “judicially created” remedy.
    Leon, 
    468 U.S. at 906
     (quotation omitted); accord United States v. Beaudion,
    
    979 F.3d 1092
    , 1097 (5th Cir. 2020). Therefore, the question presented is
    whether Supreme Court precedent commands suppression of the evidence
    against Norbert. It does not. To the contrary, Supreme Court precedent
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    unambiguously says that the officers had reasonable suspicion to stop
    Norbert. And once they had reasonable suspicion, everyone agrees the case
    is over.
    A.
    Let’s start with the officers’ right to stop Norbert. The Supreme
    Court’s landmark Terry decision holds that “[a] temporary, warrantless
    detention of an individual constitutes a seizure for Fourth Amendment
    purposes and must be justified by reasonable suspicion that criminal activity
    has taken or is currently taking place.” United States v. Garza, 
    727 F.3d 436
    ,
    440 (5th Cir. 2013) (citing Terry, 
    392 U.S. at
    30–31). “Reasonable suspicion”
    is not a concept that appears in the Constitution. But Supreme Court
    precedent tells us that it is not difficult to find. See United States v. Sokolow,
    
    490 U.S. 1
    , 7 (1989) (requiring officers to have “some minimal level of
    objective justification for making [a] stop” (quotation omitted)). The
    requisite suspicion “is ‘considerably less than proof of wrongdoing by a
    preponderance of the evidence,’ and ‘obviously less’ than is necessary for
    probable cause.” Navarette v. California, 
    572 U.S. 393
    , 397 (2014) (quoting
    Sokolow, 
    490 U.S. at 7
    ).
    This “minimal” standard also applies when officers make a stop based
    on a tip. See 
    ibid.
     (“We have firmly rejected the argument that reasonable
    cause for an investigative stop can only be based on the officer’s personal
    observation . . . .” (quotation omitted)). The question is simply whether a tip
    carries “sufficient indicia of reliability” for officers to act on it. 
    Ibid.
     (quoting
    Alabama v. White, 
    496 U.S. 325
    , 327 (1990)).
    The Supreme Court’s decisions in White and Navarette are
    instructive. White involved an anonymous tip that a woman would transport
    cocaine from a particular apartment building to a particular motel in a
    particular vehicle. See 
    496 U.S. at 327
    . After confirming some of the innocent
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    details, the officers stopped the vehicle and discovered cocaine. See 
    ibid.
     The
    Supreme Court acknowledged that “not every detail mentioned by the
    tipster was verified.” 
    Id. at 331
    . It also noted that “the tip g[ave] absolutely
    no indication of the basis for the caller’s predictions.” 
    Id. at 329
     (quotation
    omitted). But it still upheld the stop as supported by reasonable suspicion.
    See 
    id. at 332
    . The lack of complete corroboration was unproblematic
    “because an informant [who] is shown to be right about some things . . . is
    probably right about other facts that he has alleged, including the claim that
    the object of the tip is engaged in criminal activity.” 
    Id. at 331
    . And the
    tipster’s unexplained basis of knowledge was unproblematic because “the
    caller’s ability to predict respondent’s future behavior . . . demonstrated
    inside information—a special familiarity with respondent’s affairs.” 
    Id. at 332
    . So “under the totality of the circumstances,” the partially corroborated
    and fully unexplained tip “exhibited sufficient indicia of reliability to justify
    the investigatory stop.” 
    Ibid.
    Navarette reached the same conclusion. The police in that case
    received an anonymous 911 call from a driver who reported being run off the
    road by a pickup truck with an identified license plate at a specific time and
    location. See 572 U.S. at 395. After spotting the truck and following it for five
    minutes, an officer pulled it over and discovered marijuana. See ibid. The
    Supreme Court again held that reasonable suspicion justified the stop. See id.
    at 404. It found “significant support [for] the tip’s reliability” in the fact that
    “the caller . . . claimed eyewitness knowledge of the alleged dangerous
    driving.” Id. at 399. It also noted that “a reasonable officer could conclude
    that a false tipster would think twice before using . . . a [911] system” that
    records calls and other information about the caller. Id. at 400–01. And it
    dismissed the suggestion that the officer’s failure to corroborate illegal
    activity in the five minutes he followed the truck somehow negated the
    reasonable suspicion he had just acquired. See id. at 403–04. As the Court put
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    it, “we have consistently recognized that reasonable suspicion ‘need not rule
    out the possibility of innocent conduct.’” Id. at 403 (quoting United States v.
    Arvizu, 
    534 U.S. 266
    , 277 (2002)).
    These principles definitively prove that officers had reasonable
    suspicion to Terry stop Norbert. First, the informant was an eyewitness. She
    told Officer McClinton “that she had seen” the drug-dealing. So just like the
    caller in Navarette, the caller here “claimed eyewitness knowledge” of the
    tip’s substance. 572 U.S. at 399.
    Second, our informant was far from anonymous. She provided a
    substantial amount of information about herself. She told the police that she
    worked at the Millsaps Apartments in Jackson, Mississippi, that she was a
    manager there, and that she had lodged the same complaint with other law
    enforcement agencies in the past.
    That makes our tipster even more reliable than those in White and
    Navarette. The tipster in White failed to “indica[te] . . . the basis for” his
    complaint. 
    496 U.S. at 329
     (quotation omitted). The tipster here did not—
    she specified that she personally witnessed the drug-dealing for days. The
    tipsters in both White and Navarette were completely “anonymous.” See
    White, 
    496 U.S. at 327
    ; Navarette, 572 U.S. at 396 n.1, 398. The tipster here
    was not—she identified herself as the manager of the apartment complex
    where Norbert was dealing drugs. And the tipster in Navarette was likely
    unaware that police could trace the tip to its source. See 572 U.S. at 409
    (Scalia, J., dissenting) (“There is no reason to believe that your average
    anonymous 911 tipster is aware that 911 callers are readily identifiable.”). The
    tipster here was acutely aware—she identified herself and pleaded for police
    to help with the repeated and rampant drug-dealing in her parking lot. Our
    tipster was not some anonymous woman on the road somewhere; our tipster
    begged the police to come to her and restore the safety of her workplace.
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    Third, the informant’s tip was corroborated. Consider all the details
    the informant provided that officers confirmed before they performed their
    Terry stop:
    • Norbert’s location
    • Norbert’s physical description
    • Norbert’s nickname
    • Norbert’s presence among multiple suspects
    • The location of Norbert’s car
    • The color of Norbert’s car
    • The make of Norbert’s car
    • The model of Norbert’s car
    • The license plate on Norbert’s car
    • The ongoing nature of the reported activity
    That is more than enough corroboration to create reasonable suspicion
    according to White and Navarette. See White, 
    496 U.S. at 327
     (finding
    reasonable suspicion upon corroboration of vehicle, time, and location);
    Navarette, 572 U.S. at 395 (same).
    The single detail that police were unable to verify was Norbert’s
    personal participation in drug activity. And that detail is irrelevant. Had the
    police corroborated that, they would’ve left the lesser realm of reasonable
    suspicion and arrived at probable cause to arrest Norbert on the spot. See
    Atwater v. City of Lago Vista, 
    532 U.S. 318
    , 354 (2001) (“If an officer has
    probable cause to believe that an individual has committed even a very minor
    criminal offense in his presence, he may, without violating the Fourth
    Amendment, arrest the offender.”). In fact, the officers may have had
    probable cause on the facts as they are, even without corroborated drug
    activity. See Illinois v. Gates, 
    462 U.S. 213
    , 225–27, 243 (1983) (finding a
    “compelling” showing of probable cause to support a drug search where
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    police corroborated information provided by an anonymous tipster without
    corroborating any drug activity); 
    id. at 242
     (“[I]n making a warrantless arrest
    an officer may rely upon information received through an informant, rather
    than upon his direct observations, so long as the informant’s statement is
    reasonably corroborated by other matters within the officer’s knowledge.”
    (quotation omitted)). So it’s difficult to see how the officers lacked
    reasonable suspicion—a standard that is “obviously less than . . . probable
    cause.” Navarette, 572 U.S. at 397 (quotation omitted). 1
    B.
    Once it’s established that officers had reasonable suspicion to Terry
    stop Norbert, everyone agrees his suppression motion fails. Norbert’s sole
    argument before the district court and on appeal is that the Government
    lacked sufficient suspicion for its stop. The district court adopted Norbert’s
    framing of the case. And the majority adopts it too. See ante, at 20–21.
    Because Supreme Court precedent squarely supports the officers’ stop,
    Norbert’s suppression motion must be denied.
    1
    Police had reason to be suspicious even apart from the tip and its corroboration.
    For example, one officer testified that he asked the group in the parking lot whether they
    lived in the apartment complex “and [they] all said, no, . . . they did not.” Cf. United States
    v. Andrews, 103 F. App’x 855, 856 (5th Cir. 2004) (per curiam) (finding reasonable
    suspicion of drug activity where officers spotted the suspect in a parking lot known for drug
    trafficking and the suspect admitted he didn’t live nearby). Another officer testified that
    Norbert “stated kind of jokingly, ‘Man, I started to run, but then I realized there was some
    more of you all on the other side. So I just turned around and came back.’” Cf. Illinois v.
    Wardlow, 
    528 U.S. 119
    , 124 (2000) (finding reasonable suspicion based on a suspect’s
    “unprovoked flight upon noticing the police” because “[h]eadlong flight . . . is the
    consummate act of evasion: It is not necessarily indicative of wrongdoing, but it is certainly
    suggestive of such”). The majority says that Norbert’s remark about running occurred
    “[a]fter the pat down.” Ante, at 5. But the record says the opposite; Officer Lavine
    indicated that the comment came at the very beginning of his interaction with Norbert.
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    II.
    So why does the majority toss the Government’s evidence? First, the
    majority misstates the facts. Second, it misstates the law. Both mistakes are
    regrettable. But the majority’s misstatement of law is particularly
    problematic because it disregards Supreme Court precedent and leaves
    considerable confusion over the Fourth Amendment in its wake.
    A.
    The majority’s resolution of this case is built on counterfactual
    assertions. For example, the majority repeatedly says this case involves an
    “anonymous” tip, ante, at 2, 6, 8, 9, 20, from an “unknown, unaccountable
    informant,” id. at 11 (quoting Florida v. J.L., 
    529 U.S. 266
    , 271 (2000)). It’s
    true that the informant in J.L. was “anonymous,” “unknown,” and
    “unaccountable”; “nothing [wa]s known about the informant.” 
    529 U.S. at 268
    . But here the officers knew a great deal about their caller. See supra Part
    I.A. And based on that knowledge they had plenty of reasons to trust her. See
    ibid.
    The majority also says it’s “unclear whether the caller witnessed the
    alleged drug activity herself or if she was only told about it by residents.”
    Ante, at 3. The purported lack of clarity comes from an exchange at the
    suppression hearing in which the district court asked Officer McClinton if
    the caller had personally “seen certain activity” and McClinton responded
    “Yes.” According to the majority, the question’s focus on “certain” activity
    instead of “criminal” activity means we can’t be sure the caller ever saw
    drugs. See id. at 3 n.8. Perhaps she merely saw “individuals and vehicles in
    the parking lot [that] she did not believe belonged there.” Ibid.
    Once again, the record forecloses the majority’s counterfactual
    narrative. Here is the entirety of Officer McClinton’s responses to the
    district court’s cross-examination:
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    Q. The caller indicated that he or she—he or she—do you
    recall whether it was—which one, he or she?
    A. I do.
    Q. What was it?
    A. It was a female.
    Q. Okay. So the caller identified herself as someone from
    management and indicated that—did she indicate that she had
    seen certain activity?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And that she had complained about it to others?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And wanted you all to come check on it, because nobody else
    did?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Who could read this transcript and think the “certain activity”—mentioned
    only by the district court—was anything other than drug activity? The entire
    record in this case makes one thing clear and undisputed: the apartment
    manager repeatedly called the police to complain about drug activity. That’s
    what the officers said.2 That’s what the police report said. 3 That’s what
    everyone said. At no point did anyone complain to police officers about
    individuals congregating in the apartment parking lot to do anything other
    than deal drugs. Contra ante, at 3 n.8. The majority’s contrary speculation is
    2
    McClinton testified that he “received a complaint to [his] office of illicit narcotics
    activity taking place in the parking lot of th[e] apartment complex.” He also testified that
    “the complaint identif[ied] . . . subjects that were out dealing in illicit narcotics.”
    3
    The police report said: “On Wednesday November 29, 2017, I, investigator Felix
    McClinton received a complaint that illicit narcotics were being sold in the parking lot of
    the Millsaps Apartments located at 333 Millsaps Avenue in the City of Jackson.”
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    built on nothing but what-ifs, maybes, and the phraseology of a question
    asked by the district court.
    What’s worse, the majority’s insistence on changing the facts does
    nothing to justify its judgment. Let’s suppose for a moment that only the
    residents saw the drugs, while the manager-informant only saw the alleged
    drug dealers congregating in the parking lot of an apartment building for
    hours and days at a time while none of them lawfully resided there. That is
    directly analogous to Navarette. The 911 caller in that case did not assert
    personal knowledge of drunk driving; she asserted personal knowledge of
    suspicious behavior consistent with drunk driving. See 572 U.S. at 401–03
    (holding that “the 911 caller’s report of being run off the roadway created
    reasonable suspicion of an ongoing crime such as drunk driving”); id. at 409
    (Scalia, J., dissenting) (opining that the 911 call “neither asserts that the
    driver was drunk nor even raises the likelihood that the driver was drunk”
    (emphasis omitted)). Even so, the Navarette caller still “claimed eyewitness
    knowledge” of unusual activity—and “[t]hat basis of knowledge len[t]
    significant support to the tip’s reliability.” Id. at 399. The same is true of the
    caller here. And it remains true even on the majority’s counterfactual
    rendition of what happened.
    B.
    The majority next misstates the law. Its entire opinion rises and falls
    on a single legal contention: “absent any corroboration of the illegal activity
    itself, the government had no reasonable suspicion that the criminal activity
    suggested by the informant was afoot.” Ante, at 17–18 (quotation omitted);
    see also id. at 14, 15, 16, 19, 20 (reiterating this principle). But the Supreme
    Court recently and emphatically rejected that claim. And with good reason.
    The majority’s rule turns the Fourth Amendment on its head.
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    1.
    In Navarette, the police did nothing to independently corroborate
    criminal activity. An officer located the suspect vehicle and followed it for
    five minutes but failed to detect even the slightest hint of a traffic violation or
    anything suspicious. See 572 U.S. at 403; id. at 411–12 (Scalia, J., dissenting).
    In other words, the police lacked “any corroboration of the illegal activity
    itself.” Ante, at 17–18 (quotation omitted). But the Supreme Court still found
    reasonable suspicion. See Navarette, 572 U.S. at 404. That alone proves that
    the foundational premise of the majority opinion is wrong.
    And the reasoning in Navarette poses even more problems for the
    majority. The Court began with its “consistent[] recogni[tion] that
    reasonable suspicion need not rule out the possibility of innocent conduct.”
    Id. at 403 (quotation omitted). Then it added:
    [T]he absence of additional suspicious conduct, after the
    vehicle was first spotted by an officer, [did not] dispel the
    reasonable suspicion of drunk driving. It is hardly surprising
    that the appearance of a marked police car would inspire more
    careful driving for a time. Extended observation of an allegedly
    drunk driver might eventually dispel a reasonable suspicion of
    intoxication, but the 5-minute period in this case hardly
    sufficed in that regard. Of course, an officer who already has
    such a reasonable suspicion need not surveil a vehicle at length
    in order to personally observe suspicious driving. Once
    reasonable suspicion of drunk driving arises, the
    reasonableness of the officer’s decision to stop a suspect does
    not turn on the availability of less intrusive investigatory
    techniques.
    Id. at 403–04 (citations and quotations omitted). That passage should be the
    end of this case; today’s majority can do nothing but ignore it.
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    2.
    The majority offers three responses. First, it quotes Supreme Court
    precedent for the proposition that a “tip must ‘be reliable in its assertion of
    illegality, not just in its tendency to identify a determinate person.’” Ante, at
    9, 11 (quoting J.L., 
    529 U.S. at 272
    ) (emphasis added by the majority). That’s
    certainly true. But the whole point of Navarette is that a tip can reliably assert
    illegality even when the illegality itself isn’t corroborated. See 572 U.S. at 398
    (explaining that “confirming the innocent details” often leads to reasonable
    suspicion because “an informant who is proved to tell the truth about some
    things is more likely to tell the truth about other things, including the claim
    that the object of the tip is engaged in criminal activity” (emphasis added)
    (quotation omitted)); id. at 403–04 (holding officers had reasonable suspicion
    even though they hadn’t corroborated illegality).
    Second, the majority relies on circuit precedent for its strict
    corroboration requirement. See ante, at 14–16 (discussing United States v.
    Roch, 
    5 F.3d 894
     (5th Cir. 1993); United States v. Martinez, 
    486 F.3d 855
     (5th
    Cir. 2007)). But that line of defense fails too.
    For one thing, the facts in Roch and Martinez are far afield. Roch
    involved a minimally detailed, mostly uncorroborated tip. See 
    5 F.3d at 898
    (indicating that the suspect vehicle was “only described by its . . . color”
    without the “make, model, year of manufacture, or license number”); 
    id. at 899
     (observing that police failed to “corroborate the driver’s identity, his
    felon status, or his future activity”). And that’s far from what we have here.
    See supra Part I.A. Martinez involved a truly “anonymous” tipster. See 
    486 F.3d at 861
     (noting that the Government “never introduced any evidence
    about the informant whatsoever” and “knew only that the police department
    had received information ‘from another person’”). Again, that’s not close to
    today’s case. See supra Parts I.A, II.A.
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    The law in Roch and Martinez doesn’t help the majority either. Roch
    expressly recognized that “[r]easonable suspicion . . . does not have to be
    based on a[n] [officer’s] personal observation” of criminal activity. 
    5 F.3d at 898
    . And while Martinez inexplicably abandoned that rule, the rule it created
    is squarely contradicted by Navarette. Compare Martinez, 
    486 F.3d at 864
    (“That the police might corroborate a mountain of innocent data, such as a
    person’s identification and whereabouts, does not provide any basis for
    executing a Terry stop on that person.”), with Navarette, 572 U.S. at 398,
    403–04 (holding police obtained reasonable suspicion by “confirming the
    innocent details” of an anonymous tip). So we mustn’t follow it. See Gahagan
    v. U.S. Citizenship & Immigr. Servs., 
    911 F.3d 298
    , 302 (5th Cir. 2018)
    (“Three-judge panels abide by a prior Fifth Circuit decision until the
    decision is overruled, expressly or implicitly, by . . . the United States
    Supreme Court . . . . Fifth Circuit precedent is implicitly overruled if a
    subsequent Supreme Court opinion establishes a rule of law inconsistent with
    that precedent.” (quotations omitted)).
    Navarette binds us. It is the Supreme Court’s most-recent decision on
    this topic. And it postdates Martinez by 7 years. We have zero excuse for
    ignoring Navarette.
    Third, the majority says we can ignore Navarette because unlike the
    tip in that case, “the information provided [here] was not an emergency
    reported contemporaneously to 911 that required immediate action.” Ante,
    at 11, 14. That’s puzzling to say the least. When it comes to reliability, the
    differences between the phone call in this case and the 911 call in Navarette
    actually help the Government. See supra Part I.A. And when it comes to
    corroboration, Navarette’s emergency posture has nothing to do with its
    general recognition that police can have reasonable suspicion without
    “personally observ[ing] suspicious [activity].” 572 U.S. at 404. For example,
    Navarette relied on White for its observation that tipsters who are “proved to
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    tell the truth” about “innocent details” are “more likely to tell the truth”
    about the defendant’s “criminal activity.” Id. at 398 (quotation omitted).
    And White was a non-emergency drug case just like this one. See id. at 397;
    supra Part I.A. 4 The only link the Navarette Court made between
    emergencies and corroboration was its statement that drunk-driving cases
    “would be a particularly inappropriate context” to abandon the “settled
    rule” that “the reasonableness of the officer’s decision to stop a suspect does
    not turn on the availability of less intrusive investigatory techniques.” 572
    U.S. at 404 (quotation omitted). The Supreme Court stuck with its settled
    rule, and the majority should have too.
    3.
    Two important consequences follow the majority’s refusal to do so.
    First, the majority prohibits police work that the text of the Constitution
    expressly permits. The Fourth Amendment contemplates searches and
    seizures based “upon probable cause.” U.S. Const. amend. IV. Probable
    cause requires “a fair probability” that a suspect has committed a crime.
    Gates, 
    462 U.S. at 238
    . But the majority requires absolute certainty—even
    “mountain[s] of . . . data” are not enough unless the police personally
    corroborate an ongoing crime. Ante, at 15 (quotation omitted). And the
    majority applies its absolute-certainty requirement to a reasonable-suspicion
    framework that demands even less than the “fair probability” of probable
    4
    The majority says we can ignore White too—apparently because the informant in
    that case predicted “the suspect’s future illegal activity” while the informant here did not.
    Ante, at 18 n.88. The majority’s contention is factually untrue. The informant here made a
    prediction: she reported an ongoing pattern of drugs in the parking lot that would likely
    recur. The majority’s contention is also legally irrelevant. The police in White didn’t verify
    any illegal activity before the stop. See 
    496 U.S. at 327
    . Yet White still held that “when the
    officers stopped respondent, the anonymous tip had been sufficiently corroborated to
    furnish reasonable suspicion that respondent was engaged in criminal activity.” 
    Id. at 331
    .
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    cause. See supra Part I.A. Our court has rejected that position in other cases.
    See United States v. Williams, 
    880 F.3d 713
    , 718–19 (5th Cir. 2018) (“This
    court has recognized that under Terry, officers may briefly detain an
    individual on the street for questioning, without probable cause, when they
    possess reasonable, articulable suspicion of criminal activity.” (quotation
    omitted)); United States v. Tellez, 
    11 F.3d 530
    , 532 (5th Cir. 1993)
    (“Reasonable suspicion is considerably easier for the government to establish
    than probable cause.” (quotation omitted)). I fail to see how we can embrace
    it here.
    Second, the majority’s criminal-corroboration rule creates a circuit
    split. See, e.g., United States v. Wanjiku, 
    919 F.3d 472
    , 488 (7th Cir. 2019)
    (“Although . . . there may be innocent explanations for some of the facts on
    which the officers relied, reasonable suspicion need not rule out the
    possibility of innocent conduct.” (quotation omitted)); United States v.
    Matchett, 
    802 F.3d 1185
    , 1192 (11th Cir. 2015) (“Although [police] did not
    observe any illegal activity, a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity may be
    formed by observing exclusively legal activity.” (quotation omitted)); United
    States v. Diaz, 
    802 F.3d 234
    , 239–40 (2d Cir. 2015) (reversing district court’s
    grant of motion to suppress because it ignored circuit precedent holding that
    “reasonable suspicion need not rule out the possibility of innocent conduct”
    (quotation omitted)); United States v. Alvarez, 
    899 F.2d 833
    , 838 (9th Cir.
    1990) (“It is not uncommon for seemingly innocent conduct to provide the
    basis for reasonable suspicion. The fact that the officers did not actually
    observe any criminal activity is irrelevant . . . .” (citations and quotations
    omitted)). That only heightens the unfortunate confusion sown by today’s
    mistake.
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    *        *         *
    The Fourth Amendment is not a judicial license to promulgate our
    Wishlist of Best Police Practices. See United States v. Kahn, 
    415 U.S. 143
    , 155
    n.15 (1974) (noting that warrants often “pass muster under the Fourth
    Amendment” even when they do not comply with “best practice”); United
    States v. Scully, 
    951 F.3d 656
    , 665 (5th Cir. 2020) (upholding police action
    even “[t]hough the Government could have done more”); United States v.
    Glenn, 
    966 F.3d 659
    , 661 (7th Cir. 2020) (Easterbrook, J.) (“The Fourth
    Amendment does not require best practices in criminal investigations.”).
    The majority’s speculations—about what the officers could’ve done, what the
    majority wishes they would’ve done, and what the majority therefore surmises
    they should’ve done—are beside the point. Decades of Supreme Court
    decisions support what the officers actually did. That same precedent
    squarely forecloses the majority opinion. I respectfully dissent.
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