United States v. Jose Hernandez-Mandujano , 721 F.3d 345 ( 2013 )


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  •      Case: 12-30793        Document: 00512290210       Page: 1   Date Filed: 06/27/2013
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT  United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    FILED
    June 27, 2013
    No. 12-30793                   Lyle W. Cayce
    Clerk
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee
    v.
    JOSE LUZ HERNANDEZ-MANDUJANO,
    Defendant - Appellant
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Western District of Louisiana
    Before REAVLEY, JOLLY, and SMITH, Circuit Judges.
    PER CURIAM:
    Jose Hernandez-Mandujano (“Hernandez”) was indicted for and pled guilty
    to unlawful re-entry1 after two U.S. Border Patrol Agents stopped him as he was
    driving eastbound at Mile Marker 15 on Interstate 10 near Lake Charles,
    Louisiana. Hernandez argued before the district court that all evidence deriving
    from this stop should be suppressed because the agents lacked reasonable
    suspicion at the time of the stop. The district court disagreed and denied
    Hernandez’s motion to suppress. Although we conclude that the agents lacked
    reasonable suspicion, and clearly violated the Fourth Amendment in stopping
    1
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1326
    (a) and (b)(2).
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    Hernandez, we AFFIRM the judgment of the district court because “neither
    [Herandez’s] identity nor his INS file are [sic] suppressible.” United States v.
    Roque-Villanueva, 
    175 F.3d 345
    , 346 (5th Cir. 1999).
    I.
    On April 18, 2011, shortly after 10:00 a.m., U.S. Border Patrol Agents
    Brett Sullivan and Jeremy Taylor stopped Hernandez as he was driving
    eastbound on Interstate 10 near Lake Charles, Louisiana, approximately 450
    miles from the nearest United States-Mexico border crossing. When Hernandez
    first drove past the agents, they noticed his hands were “locked” on the steering
    wheel of his white Ford Explorer SUV; his grip was tight and his arms were
    straight out, and he allegedly did not display the relaxed nature of most drivers.
    Because the agents believed Hernandez was exhibiting nervous behavior, they
    began to follow him. As they followed, they noticed Hernandez’s speed dropped
    from around 70 miles per hour (the posted speed limit) to about 60 miles per
    hour. Furthermore, when the agents were behind Hernandez, they noticed him
    talking to the person in the passenger’s seat, but when they pulled alongside
    Hernandez, the conversation ceased—only to resume again when the agents
    dropped back.
    The agents additionally noticed the car had a Tinkerbell steering wheel
    cover and, upon checking the vehicle’s license plates, learned the car was
    registered to a woman, but was not reported stolen, had no outstanding
    warrants or criminal activity associated with it, and had not recently crossed the
    border. Nonetheless, after following Hernandez for approximately five miles, the
    agents felt convinced Hernandez was transporting illegal aliens and pulled him
    over. The agents then learned from their questions Hernandez’s name, that he
    is a Mexican national, and that he was present in the United States illegally.
    Thus, based on this stop, Hernandez was charged with one count of re-
    entry without permission by an alien deported after conviction for an aggravated
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    felony, in violation of 
    28 U.S.C. § 1326
    (a) and (b)(2). Hernandez filed a motion
    to suppress all evidence deriving from the warrantless stop, arguing it did not
    comport with the definition of an “extended border search” and that the agents
    lacked reasonable suspicion under Terry v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
     (1968). After
    holding an evidentiary hearing, the district court agreed the stop was not an
    extended border search, but denied Hernandez’s motion to suppress because it
    found the agents had a reasonable suspicion of illegal activity.
    Hernandez then pled guilty, specifically preserving his right to appeal the
    district court’s ruling regarding the motion to suppress. He was sentenced to 33
    months of imprisonment and three years of supervised release, and was ordered
    to pay a $100 special assessment. He timely appealed.
    II.
    In this appeal, we must address whether the agents violated the Fourth
    Amendment in stopping Hernandez, and, if so, whether we may grant
    Hernandez’s motion to suppress.
    A.
    The first question we consider is whether the agents had reasonable
    suspicion of illegal activity when they stopped Hernandez. In resolving this
    question, we review the district court’s factual findings for clear error and its
    legal conclusions de novo. United States v. Soto, 
    649 F.3d 406
    , 409 (5th Cir.
    2011).
    When conducting roving patrols, border patrol agents may temporarily
    stop a vehicle “only if they are aware of specific articulable facts, together with
    rational inferences from those facts, that reasonably warrant suspicion that the
    vehicle’s occupant is engaged in criminal activity.” 
    Id.
     (quoting United States v.
    Jacquinot, 
    258 F.3d 423
    , 427 (5th Cir. 2001)). The Supreme Court in Brignoni-
    Ponce articulated several factors for “deciding whether there is reasonable
    suspicion to stop a car in the border area.” United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422
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    30793 U.S. 873
    , 884 (1975). While we have not yet determined whether a “border area”
    has specific geographical limits, we need not make this determination today, as
    the stop in question fails under both the specific Brignoni-Ponce and the more
    general Terry inquiries. The Brignoni-Ponce factors include (1) proximity to the
    border; (2) characteristics of the area; (3) usual traffic patterns; (4) the agents’
    experience in detecting illegal activity; (5) the driver’s behavior; (6) particular
    aspects or characteristics of the vehicle; (7) information regarding recent border
    crossings or narcotics transportation in the area; and (8) the number of
    passengers and their appearance and behavior.          United States v. Moreno-
    Chaparro, 
    180 F.3d 629
    , 631-32 (5th Cir. 1998).
    The government relies primarily upon the following in arguing that
    Hernandez’s motion to suppress was properly denied: (1) the agents’ experience;
    (2) Hernandez’s behavior; (3) the nature of the car; and (4) the passenger’s
    behavior. Considering the totality of the circumstances, however, we find this
    evidence unpersuasive.
    This Court’s decision in United States v. Moreno-Chaparro is particularly
    instructive in analyzing the case now before us. In Moreno-Chaparro, officers
    stopped Moreno after he drove past a temporarily closed immigration checkpoint
    in a black Chevrolet pickup truck. As he passed the checkpoint, Moreno “slowed
    and appeared surprised to see the patrol car alongside the checkpoint,” but did
    not make eye contact with the agent. 
    Id. at 631
    . The agent ran a license check
    and learned the car was registered to a woman in El Paso, Texas. 
    Id.
     He then
    stopped Moreno and proceeded to question him and investigate the vehicle. 
    Id.
    The court first found the agent lacked reasonable grounds to believe
    Moreno had come from the border, as the stop occurred 60 miles north of the
    Mexican border. 
    Id. at 632
    . It went on to note that, generally, whether a driver
    looks at an officer should be accorded little weight, because to find otherwise
    “would put the officers in a classic ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ position.” 
    Id.
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    (quoting United States v. Escamilla, 
    650 F.2d 1229
    , 1233 (5th Cir. 1977)).
    Similarly, the court found the fact that the car Moreno was driving was
    registered to a woman was unavailing, because it was “obvious . . . that it is not
    unusual for a man to drive a vehicle registered to a woman.” 
    Id.
    Moreover, the court declined to conclude the agent had reasonable
    suspicion because Moreno was driving a Chevy. The court stated that although
    “the Border Patrol carefully watches ‘Chevys in general,’ it would be manifestly
    unreasonable to target every Chevrolet pickup truck driven on Texas highways.”
    
    Id.
     Indeed, the court ultimately found the vehicle was “just an average pickup
    truck,” noting the “agent could not point to anything suspicious about [it]. . . . It
    contained no visible passengers, it had not been modified in an obvious way, and
    it was not riding low to the ground as if it were loaded down with people or
    contraband; it was neither particularly clean nor particularly dirty.” 
    Id.
     at 632-
    33 (emphasis in original).
    Here, the stop occurred 450 miles from the nearest international border
    crossing and, plainly, there are no reasonable grounds for assuming Hernandez
    had come from the border. See 
    id. at 632
    . Although this factor alone is not
    controlling, it is vital, 
    id.,
     and, in its absence, “we examine the remaining factors
    charily.” United States v. Rico-Soto, 
    690 F.3d 376
    , 380 (5th Cir. 2012) (citing
    United States v. Olivares-Pacheco, 
    633 F.3d 399
    , 402 (5th Cir. 2011)).
    Hernandez was stopped on Interstate 10, which is a major corridor for
    illegal alien-smuggling between cities in Texas, such as Houston, and the East
    Coast. Rico-Soto, 690 F.3d at 379. Agent Sullivan was a senior agent with 16
    total years of experience, including four years in the Lake Charles area. These
    two factors, however, are the only ones that may weigh in favor of the stop;
    considered along with the remaining factors, the evidence fails to satisfy the
    agents’ claim to reasonable suspicion. First, the agents contend Hernandez’s
    driving posture was highly suspicious and indicated nervousness, because he
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    had both hands on the steering wheel and was staring straight ahead rather
    than adopting a relaxed posture and talking on his cell phone, as many other
    drivers do. We will not say that a driver who has both hands on the wheel and
    is focusing on the road ahead of him—which is the ideal driving position—is
    acting in a manner indicative of criminal activity in a case such as this. Indeed,
    it is counterintuitive to condone the notion that drivers are less likely to be
    stopped if they are talking on the phone and driving with one hand—or no
    hands—on the wheel than they are if they engage in safe driving practices.
    Next, that Hernandez’s speed slowed considerably upon passing the border
    patrol agents is unpersuasive in this case. “This is the reaction of any cautious
    driver and due little weight.” United States v. Samaguey, 
    180 F.3d 195
    , 198-99
    (5th Cir. 1999). While continuing to drive below the speed limit may, combined
    with other circumstances, contribute to reasonable suspicion, the requisite
    circumstances are lacking here.      See 
    id.
     (finding the fact that Samaguey
    continued to drive under the speed limit contributed to reasonable suspicion
    when agents stopped him at 5:45 a.m. about 20 miles from the border, at a time
    and on a road known for smuggling of illegal aliens and drugs); United States v.
    Villalobos, 
    161 F.3d 285
    , 289-92 (5th Cir. 1998) (holding deceleration “may be
    one factor contributing to the reasonable suspicion justifying a stop such as this
    one,” when Villalobos was stopped 59 miles north of the Mexican border after
    2:20 a.m. on a route known for alien and drug trafficking (especially late at
    night), and the agents had a tip the car was likely smuggling drugs and observed
    the car driving in the lead car-load car arrangement). Thus, in this case we
    cannot find Hernandez’s speed change contributed to reasonable suspicion.
    Further unavailing is the agents’ argument that Hernandez’s driving of
    a vehicle registered to a woman supports reasonable suspicion. First, we have
    previously noted “the obvious, i.e., that it is not unusual for a man to drive a
    vehicle registered to a woman.” Moreno-Chaparro, 
    180 F.3d at 632
    . This vehicle
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    was not reported stolen, had no outstanding warrants or criminal activity
    associated with it, and had not recently been documented as crossing the border.
    Thus, that Hernandez was not the registered owner of the car is not, here, a
    contributing factor.
    Moreover, the type of vehicle Hernandez was driving was not suspect.
    Although Agent Sullivan testified that smugglers frequently use SUVs like the
    Ford Explorer, “it would be manifestly unreasonable to target every” SUV
    driving on highways between Texas and the East Coast. See Moreno- Chaparro,
    
    180 F.3d at 632-33
    . Agents Sullivan and Taylor identified nothing suspicious
    about this particular SUV—that is, they noted no aspects of the SUV that
    rendered it any more likely than other SUVs to be transporting illegal aliens.
    See Rico-Soto, 690 F.3d at 381. Indeed, it was only an average SUV on a
    Louisiana highway. See Moreno-Chaparro, 
    180 F.3d at 633
    .
    Finally, the agents noticed only one passenger, seated in the front
    passenger’s side seat, who did not make eye contact with the agents and whose
    conversation with Hernandez stopped when the agents pulled alongside
    Hernandez, but resumed when the agents dropped back. This observation does
    not measurably contribute to reasonable suspicion in the absence of any other
    compelling evidence. We have previously held that “in the ordinary case,
    whether a driver looks at an officer or fails to look at an officer, taken alone or
    in combination with other factors, should be accorded little weight.” Id. at 632.
    Similarly, conversations are subject to natural variation, waxing and waning at
    irregular intervals. If there were other strong indicators of reasonable suspicion,
    this factor may help contribute, but it is necessarily a weak factor and of
    especially light weight in a case such as this.
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    B.
    Although we have found the agents clearly violated the Fourth
    Amendment in stopping Hernandez, our inquiry does not end here, for we must
    further ask whether we may grant his motion to dismiss. We note that we may
    affirm the district court’s denial of a motion to suppress on any basis established
    in the record. United States v. Aguirre, 
    664 F.3d 606
    , 610 (5th Cir. 2011), cert.
    denied 
    132 S. Ct. 1949
     (2012). When the agents illegally stopped Hernandez, he
    admitted that he was a Mexican citizen unlawfully present in the United States.
    This evidence led to and is the basis of Hernandez’s conviction and 33-month
    incarceration. This evidence is also what Hernandez now seeks to suppress.
    This Court, however, has previously held that an alien’s INS file and even
    his identity itself are not suppressible. Roque-Villanueva, 
    175 F.3d at 346
    . In
    Roque-Villanueva, federal authorities learned of a deported alien’s unlawful
    reentry after an allegedly unconstitutional stop. 
    Id.
     In reviewing the alien’s
    motion to suppress all evidence derived from the stop, this Court concluded
    neither his identity nor his INS file could be suppressed and affirmed the district
    court’s denial of the defendant’s motion. 
    Id.
     Accordingly, we are bound by
    precedent and affirm the denial of Hernandez’s motion to suppress.            The
    judgment of the district court is, therefore,
    AFFIRMED.
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    E. GRADY JOLLY, Circuit Judge, Specially Concurring.
    While the majority’s affirmance is correct given our binding precedent, I
    respectfully submit that this precedent is based on a misapplication of the
    Supreme Court’s holding in I.N.S. v. Lopez-Mendoza, 
    468 U.S. 1032
     (1984). In
    Roque-Villanueva, this Court summarily concluded that no evidence pertaining
    to an illegal alien’s identity is suppressible, predicating this finding upon a
    statement by the Supreme Court in Lopez-Mendoza that “[t]he ‘body’ or identity
    of a defendant or respondent in a criminal or civil proceeding is never itself
    suppressible as fruit of an unlawful arrest, even if it is conceded that an
    unlawful arrest, search, or interrogation occurred.” Roque-Villanueva, 
    175 F.3d at 346
     (quoting Lopez-Mendoza, 
    468 U.S. at 1039
    ).
    In the time since we decided Roque-Villanueva, however, other circuits
    have attempted to answer the question of whether an alien’s identity may ever
    be suppressible, and have come to conflicting conclusions as to the proposition
    for which Lopez-Mendoza truly stands. Indeed, the Fourth Circuit recently
    noted that “[t]he meaning of the Lopez-Mendoza ‘identity statement’ has
    bedeviled and divided our sister circuits.”1 United States v. Oscar-Torres, 
    507 F.3d 224
    , 228 (4th Cir. 2007). The issue dividing the circuits is whether the
    Lopez-Mendoza statement simply recognizes an established jurisdictional rule,
    i.e., that an unlawful arrest does not deprive a court of jurisdiction over the
    arrestee, or, instead, whether the statement establishes a blanket rule that a
    defendant’s identity—and any evidence related to that identity—is never
    suppressible. Compare Oscar-Torres, 
    507 F.3d at 228-29
     (interpreting Lopez-
    Mendoza as merely reiterating long-standing jurisdictional rule), and United
    States v. Olivares-Rangel, 
    458 F.3d 1104
    , 1106 (10th Cir. 2006) (same), and
    1
    That court further noted the Ninth Circuit’s view does not even appear consistent.
    
    507 F.3d at
    228 n.2 (citing United States v. Garcia-Beltran, 
    389 F.3d 864
    , 868 (9th Cir. 2004);
    United States v. Guzman-Bruno, 
    27 F.3d 420
    , 422 (9th Cir. 1994)).
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    United States v. Guevara-Martinez, 
    262 F.3d 751
    , 754-55 (8th Cir. 2001) (same),
    with United States v. Bowley, 
    435 F.3d 426
    , 430-31 (3d Cir. 2006) (interpreting
    Lopez-Mendoza as barring suppression of evidence of identity), United States v.
    Navarro-Diaz, 
    420 F.3d 581
    , 588 (6th Cir. 2005) (same), and Roque-Villanueva,
    
    175 F.3d 346
     (same). This is an issue with which this court has never truly
    grappled, notwithstanding our precedential holdings.
    I.
    To explain the circuit split, it is useful first to consider the facts of Lopez-
    Mendoza itself. This case involved two defendants, Adan Lopez-Mendoza and
    Elias Sandoval-Sanchez. 
    468 U.S. at 1034
    . Lopez-Mendoza was arrested in 1976
    by INS agents at his place of employment, a transmission repair shop in San
    Mateo, California. 
    468 U.S. at 1035
    . The INS agents arrived in response to a
    tip; they had not sought a warrant, and the shop’s proprietor refused to permit
    them to interview his employees during work hours. 
    Id.
     One agent nevertheless
    approached Lopez-Mendoza, who, in response to the agent’s questions, gave his
    name and indicated he was from Mexico and had no close family ties in the
    United States. 
    Id.
     The agent arrested Lopez-Mendoza, and after further
    questioning, Lopez-Mendoza admitted he was born in Mexico, was still a
    Mexican citizen, and had entered the U.S. without inspection by immigration
    authorities. 
    Id.
     The agents then prepared a “Record of Deportable Alien” (Form
    I-213) and an affidavit Lopez-Mendoza executed that admitted his Mexican
    nationality and his illegal entry. 
    Id.
    Later, at a deportation hearing before an immigration judge, Lopez-
    Mendoza’s counsel moved to terminate the proceeding on the ground that Lopez-
    Mendoza had been unlawfully arrested. 
    Id.
     The judge, however, ruled the
    lawfulness of Lopez-Mendoza’s arrest was irrelevant to his deportation. 
    Id.
     On
    appeal, the BIA similarly found “[t]he mere fact of an illegal arrest has no
    bearing on a subsequent deportation proceeding,” and, furthermore, found
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    Lopez-Mendoza had not objected to the admission of evidence in the Form I-213
    or his affidavit. 
    Id. at 1036
    . The Ninth Circuit, sitting en banc, vacated Lopez-
    Mendoza’s deportation order and remanded for a determination as to whether
    Lopez-Mendoza’s Fourth Amendment rights had been violated when he was
    arrested. 
    Id.
    Finally, the case reached the Supreme Court. It conducted a brief analysis
    of Lopez-Mendoza’s claim, which began with the “identity statement,” i.e., “[t]he
    ‘body or identity of a defendant or respondent in a criminal or civil proceeding
    is never itself suppressible as a fruit of an unlawful arrest, even if it is conceded
    that an unlawful arrest, search, or interrogation occurred.” 
    Id.
     (emphasis
    added). The Court noted that, on that basis alone, Lopez-Mendoza’s claim failed.
    
    Id. at 1040
    . It further found that “Lopez-Mendoza objected only to the fact that
    he had been summoned to a deportation hearing following an unlawful arrest;
    he entered no objection to the evidence offered against him.” 
    Id.
     Reasoning the
    mere existence of an unlawful arrest has no implications in a later deportation
    proceeding, the Court reversed the Ninth Circuit’s judgment. 
    Id.
    Sandoval-Sanchez, the defendant in the companion case to Lopez-
    Mendoza, was similarly questioned and arrested by INS workers at his place of
    employment, and later admitted he had unlawfully entered the United States.
    He argued that he made the admission because he was unaware he had a right
    to remain silent. 
    Id. at 1036-37
    . At his deportation hearing, Sandoval-Sanchez
    contended that the evidence offered by the INS should be suppressed as fruit of
    an unlawful arrest. 
    Id. at 1037
    . The immigration judge determined not only
    that Sandoval-Sanchez had not been unlawfully arrested, but further that the
    legality of an arrest was immaterial to a deportation hearing. 
    Id.
     For similar
    reasons, the BIA dismissed Sandoval-Sanchez’s appeal. 
    Id. at 1038
    . Sitting en
    banc, the Ninth Circuit reversed Sandoval-Sanchez’s deportation order, holding
    that because his detention violated the Fourth Amendment, his statements were
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    a product of that detention and the exclusionary rule barred their use in a
    deportation hearing. 
    Id.
    The question before the Supreme Court was then “whether an admission
    of unlawful presence in this country made subsequent to an allegedly unlawful
    arrest must be excluded as evidence in a civil deportation hearing.” 
    468 U.S. at 1034
     (emphasis added). The Court first noted “the general rule in a criminal
    proceeding is that statements and other evidence obtained as a result of an
    unlawful, warrantless arrest are suppressible if the link between the evidence
    and the unlawful conduct are not too attenuated.” 
    Id. at 1040-41
    . The Court
    then weighed the likely social benefits of excluding the unlawfully seized
    evidence against the likely costs, per the framework established in United States
    v. Janis, 
    428 U.S. 433
     (1976), and ultimately concluded “evidence derived from
    such [unlawful] arrests need not be suppressed in an INS civil deportation
    hearing.” 
    468 U.S. at 1051
    .
    II.
    In applying Lopez-Mendoza, other circuit courts have grappled with
    reconciling the broad language of the “identity statement” with the facts and
    issues presented in the case. The Fourth, Eighth, and Tenth Circuits—which
    concluded the “identity statement” was only a jurisdictional proposition—began
    their analyses of the case by noting that all of the cases to which the Court cited
    for the proposition that a defendant’s body or identity is not suppressible
    addressed a court’s jurisdiction over a defendant himself—not suppression of
    unlawfully obtained evidence relating to his identity. See, e.g., Oscar-Torres, 
    507 F.3d at 228
     (“Gerstein v. Pugh, 
    420 U.S. 103
    , 119 (1975) (reaffirming the
    ‘established rule that illegal arrest or detention does not void a subsequent
    conviction’); Frisbie v. Collins, 
    342 U.S. 519
    , 522 (1952) (‘[T]he power of a court
    to try a person for crime is not impaired by the fact that he had been brought
    within the court’s jurisdiction by reason of a forcible abduction.’ ’); United States
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    ex rel. Bilokumsky v. Tod, 
    263 U.S. 149
    , 158 (1923) (‘Irregularities on the part
    of the Government official prior to, or in connection with, the arrest would not
    necessarily invalidate later proceedings in all respects conformable to law.’)”);
    see also Olivares-Rangel, 
    458 F.3d at 1111
    ; Guevara-Martinez, 
    262 F.3d at 754
    .
    The Fourth Circuit, citing the Tenth Circuit, further found these citations
    telling—they “indicate[] that the Court’s ‘identity statement’ simply references
    ‘the long-standing rule, known as the Ker-Frisbie doctrine, that illegal police
    activity affects only the admissibility of evidence; it does not affect the
    jurisdiction of the trial court or otherwise serve as a basis for dismissing the
    prosecution.’ ” Oscar-Torres, 
    507 F.3d at 228
     (quoting Olivares-Rangel, 
    458 F.3d at 1110
    ).
    Each court then addressed the context in which the Supreme Court
    uttered the “identity statement,” finding it further supported the conclusion that
    this was a jurisdictional holding. They noted that the Court stated “[t]he ‘body
    or identity of a defendant . . . is never itself suppressible” in response to Lopez-
    Mendoza’s contention that the immigration court lacked personal jurisdiction
    over him due to the illegal arrest, see Olivares-Rangel, 
    458 F.3d at 1111
    ; but, in
    contrast, when analyzing Sandoval-Sanchez’s claim that specific evidence—inter
    alia, his statement that he entered the United States unlawfully—was
    inadmissible, the court referred to the “general rule in a criminal proceeding.”
    Guevara-Martinez, 
    262 F.3d at 754
    . The Eighth Circuit found
    it significant that the Supreme Court didn’t distinguish between
    identity-related evidence and other types of evidence when
    discussing Sandoval-Sanchez’s evidentiary challenge. . . . If the
    Supreme Court meant to exempt identity-related evidence in a
    criminal proceeding from the “general rule,” we believe the Court
    would have said so while discussing the evidentiary challenge, not
    the jurisdictional challenge. Our belief is strengthened by the fact
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    that the evidence that Sandoval-Sanchez challenged, INS Form I-
    213, probably contained identity-related evidence.2
    
    Id.
        The Fourth Circuit similarly reasoned that, “if the Court’s ‘identity
    statement’ truly prohibited suppression of any evidence relating to identity,
    surely the Court would have considered which of Sandoval-Sanchez’s statements
    were sufficiently identity-related to render them beyond the reach of the
    exclusionary rule and which were not.” Oscar-Torres, 
    507 F.3d at 229
    . And the
    Tenth Circuit held
    The language in Lopez-Mendoza merely says that the defendant
    cannot suppress the entire issue of his identity. A defendant may
    still seek suppression of specific pieces of evidence (such as, say,
    fingerprints or statements) under the ordinary rules announced in
    Mapp and Wong Sun. A broader reading of Lopez-Mendoza
    would give the police carte blanche powers to engage in any
    manner of unconstitutional conduct to long as their purpose
    was limited to establishing a defendant’s identity. We do not
    believe the Supreme Court intended Lopez-Mendoza to be given
    such a reading.
    Olivares-Rangel, 
    458 F.3d 1111
     (emphasis added).
    Contrary to the conclusions of these three circuits, this Circuit and the
    Third and Sixth Circuits have concluded that Lopez-Mendoza stands for the
    proposition that a defendant’s identity is never suppressible.               See Roque-
    Villanueva, 
    175 F.3d at 346
    ; Navarro-Diaz, 
    420 F.3d at 588
    ; United States v.
    Bowley, 
    435 F.3d 426
     (3d Cir. 2006). None explicitly addressed the analysis the
    Fourth, Eighth, and Tenth Circuits presented distinguishing between the
    jurisdictional and evidentiary holdings of Lopez-Mendoza. Instead, this Court
    established a blanket rule, whereas the Sixth Circuit seemed to focus upon a
    distinction between attempts to suppress evidence of the defendant’s identity,
    2
    Note that the Supreme Court explicitly framed the issue in Lopez-Mendoza as
    “whether an admission of unlawful presence in this country made subsequent to an
    allegedly unlawful arrest must be excluded as evidence in a civil deportation hearing.” 
    468 U.S. at 1034
     (emphasis added).
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    such as his name and birthday, and other evidence, such as fingerprints.
    Navarro-Diaz, 
    420 F.3d at 586-88
    . Moreover, the Sixth Circuit found that this
    reading of Lopez-Mendoza does not lead to the dangerous overreach the Tenth
    Circuit identified, because “we do not deal here with egregious violations of [the]
    Fourth Amendment or other liberties that might transgress notions of
    fundamental fairness.” 
    Id. at 587
     (quoting Lopez-Mendoza, 
    468 U.S. at 1050
    ).
    The Third Circuit similarly “doubt[ed] that the Court lightly used such a
    sweeping word as ‘never’ in deciding when identity may be suppressed as the
    fruit of an illegal search o[r] arrest,” and found the Court’s only qualification on
    this rule was that it was not considering “egregious violations of [the] Fourth
    Amendment.” Bowley, 
    435 F.3d at 430
    .
    III.
    All the Circuits seem to agree that if a defendant sought only to suppress
    his identity itself, he would fail. This conclusion aligns with Lopez-Mendoza’s
    finding that Lopez-Mendoza’s claim failed, in part, because “he entered no
    objection to the evidence offered against him.” 
    468 U.S. at 1040
    .
    The Fourth, Eighth, and Tenth Circuits, however, correctly distinguish
    between such a broad attempt to suppress one’s identity itself and an attempt
    to suppress evidence relating to one’s identity, such as statements made during
    an unlawful arrest. Indeed, the Supreme Court in Lopez-Mendoza seemed to
    suggest this analysis; it framed the issue in that case as “whether an admission
    of unlawful presence in this country made subsequent to an allegedly
    unlawful arrest must be excluded as evidence in a civil deportation hearing.”
    
    Id. at 1034
     (emphasis added). After posing this question—and after stating
    “[t]he ‘body’ or identity of a defendant . . . is never itself suppressible”—the
    Court turned to Sandoval-Sanchez’s contention that his admission that he
    entered the United States unlawfully was suppressible. 
    Id. at 1039
     (emphasis
    added). The court did not summarily conclude that such an admission is not
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    suppressible because one’s identity is not suppressible; instead, the Court
    referred to the “general rule” regarding suppressibility in a criminal proceeding,
    and conducted the Janis balancing test. The Court found such an analysis
    necessary in order ultimately to conclude that such statements need not be
    suppressed in the civil deportation hearing. 
    Id. at 1040-51
    . If the Court had
    been saying that statements relating to one’s identity were never suppressible,
    this rigorous analysis of the costs and benefits of excluding such evidence in a
    civil deportation hearing would have been wholly superfluous. I virtually repeat
    myself to observe, as the Fourth, Eighth, and Tenth Circuits highlighted, that
    if evidence relating to identity were excluded from the general rule, the Court
    almost certainly would have said so, rather than treating it as it would treat any
    other potentially suppressible evidence.
    On the other hand, the Sixth Circuit’s reasoning may be considered as
    suggesting that some of the alleged evidence is not independent from one’s
    identity, but is so inherently intertwined with one’s identity that it necessarily
    is tantamount to identity itself. Such evidence, it reasons, includes a person’s
    name and birthday.          Other circuits have not addressed these particular
    associations with identity.3 The Tenth Circuit in Olivares-Rangel did, however,
    find an alien’s statements—including that he was an illegal alien—were
    suppressible. 
    458 F.3d at 1112
    . It is not immediately clear whether the Sixth
    Circuit’s conclusion is consonant with Lopez-Mendoza.                  In that case, the
    Supreme Court clearly evaluated whether Sandoval-Sanchez’s statement that
    he unlawfully entered the United States was suppressible. See 
    468 U.S. at 1034
    .
    But it is not obvious what other, if any, statements of his the Court was
    3
    The Tenth Circuit did, in an unpublished opinion, interpret Lopez-Mendoza as
    preventing suppression of a defendant’s statement of his name to an officer. United States v.
    Cisneros-Cruz, 
    185 F.3d 875
    , No. 98-1398, 
    1999 WL 444926
    , at *6 (10th Cir. June 30, 1999)
    (unpublished).
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    considering.    In any event, the reasoning of the Sixth Circuit cannot be
    dismissed out of hand.
    Finally, I should make reference to the odd suggestion of the Third and
    Sixth Circuits to the effect that we are not dealing with “egregious violations of
    [the] Fourth Amendment or other liberties that might transgress notions of
    fundamental fairness” in this criminal case. 
    420 F.3d at 587
     (quoting Lopez-
    Mendoza, 
    468 U.S. at 1050
    ). This “take” from Lopez-Mendoza represents a
    further misreading of that case. Although it is certainly true that the Supreme
    Court observed that no egregious violation occurred in Lopez-Mendoza, it made
    that statement only when it was evaluating Sandoval-Sanchez’s argument that
    statements he made during his illegal arrest should be suppressed in his
    subsequent civil deportation hearing. Furthermore, the Supreme Court in
    Lopez-Mendoza went to great length to describe the important differences
    between criminal and civil proceedings, noting not only that civil deportation
    hearings look prospectively to a defendant’s right to remain in the country
    whereas criminal proceedings seek to punish past behavior, but further making
    clear that “various protections that apply in the context of a criminal trial do not
    apply in a deportation hearing.”4 
    468 U.S. at 1038-39
    ; see also 
    id. at 1042-50
    .
    IV.
    Hernandez has moved to suppress all the evidence derived from the
    unlawful stop he endured, and not merely to suppress his identity. It is unclear
    from the record of this case whether Hernandez made statements to the agents,
    such as those Sandoval-Sanchez made in Lopez-Mendoza, that could potentially
    be suppressible. Therefore, the proper disposition of this case—but for our
    precedent—would be to remand for further development of the record. And as
    the Tenth Circuit noted, allowing our erroneous interpretation of Lopez-Mendoza
    4
    Moreover, the Court noted “the INS has its own comprehensive scheme for deterring
    Fourth Amendment violations by its officers.” 
    468 U.S. at 1044
    .
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    to persist essentially affords law enforcement officers staggering authority to
    detain anyone they suspect of being an illegal alien, for so long as they retrieve
    only evidence related to that person’s identity, they will escape any ramifications
    for even grossly unconstitutional behavior. Thus, while precedent requires me
    to concur with the majority, I hope I have made clear that our precedent is an
    incomplete and erroneous reflection of the propositions for which Lopez-Mendoza
    stands.
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