United States v. Centracchio, Anthony ( 2001 )


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  • In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    No. 00-3963
    United States of America,
    Plaintiff-Appellant,
    v.
    Anthony T. Centracchio, Thomas R. Tucker,
    Robert S. Urbinati, and Robert D. Natale,
    Defendants-Appellees.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division.
    No. 99 CR 325--Robert W. Gettleman, Judge.
    Argued April 12, 2001--Decided September 4, 2001
    Before Flaum, Chief Judge, and Manion and
    Kanne, Circuit Judges.
    Manion, Circuit Judge. Four defendants
    were indicted for a RICO conspiracy and
    obstruction of law enforcement based on
    their alleged illegal video poker
    gambling business. In pre-trial motions,
    the district court excluded two pieces of
    evidence: a guilty plea allocution and
    the statements of a deceased co-
    conspirator. The United States appeals
    those rulings on an interlocutory basis.
    With respect to the district court’s
    ruling on the guilty plea allocution, we
    reverse. With respect to the district
    court’s ruling on the statements of a
    deceased co-conspirator, we reverse and
    remand.
    I.
    A.   Indictment
    On April 13, 2000, a grand jury returned
    a superseding indictment charging Anthony
    Centracchio, Thomas Tucker, Robert
    Urbinati and Robert Natale with various
    criminal offenses including RICO
    conspiracy, 18 U.S.C. sec. 1962(d), and
    obstruction of state or local law
    enforcement with intent to facilitate an
    illegal gambling business, 18 U.S.C. sec.
    1511.
    In Count One of the indictment, the RICO
    count, the government alleged that
    defendants Centracchio and Tucker, and an
    unindicted co-conspirator, Louis Eboli,
    were members of an illegal enterprise.
    Urbinati and Natale were allegedly
    employed by the enterprise. The RICO
    conspiracy allegedly began in about 1978
    and continued until February, 1999 and
    consisted of illegal gambling activities
    which took place "in Franklin Park,
    Melrose Park, Northlake, Stone Park, and
    elsewhere in the State of Illinois."
    Eboli was described as the leader of the
    enterprise until his death in 1987, some
    time after which Centracchio became the
    boss. Both allegedly distributed bribe
    money to law enforcement and public
    officials for the protection of their
    illegal activities. Tucker, a former
    Stone Park police lieutenant, was
    allegedly the second-in-command of the
    enterprise and relayed orders and
    distributed money from Centracchio and
    Eboli to others. Urbinati, a Franklin
    Park police officer between 1968 and
    1995, allegedly received cash bribes from
    Tucker on a monthly basis to protect the
    gambling activities in Franklin Park.
    Natale, employed by the Stone Park police
    department from 1971 to 1989 and mayor of
    Stone Park from 1989 to the time of the
    indictment, also allegedly received cash
    bribes from Tucker on a monthly basis to
    protect the gambling activities in Stone
    Park. Seymour Sapoznik, another
    unindicted co-conspirator and the former
    Chief of Police of Northlake and Stone
    Park, Illinois, also allegedly received
    cash bribes from Tucker on a monthly
    basis to assure unhindered illegal
    operation of video gambling businesses in
    those towns.
    In Count Three of the indictment, the
    government charged that between 1978 and
    December of 1994, all four of the named
    defendants conspired together and with
    Sapoznik and other law enforcement
    officers to obstruct the enforcement of
    the criminal laws of Illinois. In
    furtherance of the conspiracy, Tucker and
    Sapoznik allegedly met several times
    between March, 1993 and November, 1994,
    after Tucker had previously met with
    Centracchio.
    B.   Seymour Sapoznik’s Plea Allocution
    On September 8, 2000, the government
    filed its Santiago proffer./1 In the
    proffer, the government sought to
    introduce Sapoznik’s guilty plea
    agreement into evidence. Then, on
    September 29, 2000, the government filed
    a motion in limine to also admit his
    guilty plea allocution into evidence as a
    statement against penal interest,
    pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(3).
    On February 6, 1997, Sapoznik had
    entered a guilty plea to a one-count
    information charging that, while the
    Northlake Chief of Police, he had
    received monthly bribes from "Individual
    A"/2, in violation of 18 U.S.C. sec.
    1962. Sapoznik’s written plea agreement
    was entirely prepared by the government,
    and filed with and accepted by the court.
    Therein, Sapoznik admitted that:
    at the beginning of each month [between
    November 1990 and December 1994]
    Individual A made $500 bribe payments to
    defendant on behalf of the Outfit and at
    the direction of Individual A’s boss in
    the Outfit. . . . These bribe payments
    were made in return for defendant’s
    assistance in ensuring that the illegal
    activities of the Outfit, including the
    payment of money to winning players on
    joker poker machines in the town bars,
    were not investigated by the Northlake
    Police Department of which defendant was
    police chief.
    At the plea colloquy, the government read
    the foregoing portion of the plea
    agreement out loud. The presiding judge
    then asked Sapoznik, "Mr. Sapoznik, did
    you hear what Mr. Levine just had to
    say?" Sapoznik responded, "Yes, I did,
    your Honor." The judge replied, "Is what
    he said the truth?" Sapoznik answered,
    "That is correct." This is the evidence
    which the government seeks to admit in
    the present case (referred to hereafter
    as the plea allocution).
    Several months after this plea colloquy,
    Sapoznik was interviewed by a probation
    officer and he denied that he had
    accepted bribery payments while in Stone
    Park./3 At his subsequent sentencing
    hearing, the government presented
    evidence of "relevant conduct" refuting
    this denial and argued that Sapoznik was
    a liar. The trial court found that
    Sapoznik’s denial was false. Sapoznik was
    then sentenced to 87 months’
    imprisonment.
    Sapoznik was unavailable to testify at
    trial in this case; his attorney stated
    that, even though he had been immunized
    pursuant to 18 U.S.C. sec. 6002, he would
    invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege and
    refuse to testify if called as a witness.
    Sapoznik’s intransigence is confirmed by
    the fact that he previously chose to
    serve 14 months (in addition to his 87-
    month sentence) for civil contempt
    instead of obeying an immunity order
    compelling his testimony before the grand
    jury. Accordingly, the government sought
    to introduce into evidence the above-
    described portion of the colloquy from
    Sapoznik’s guilty plea allocution for the
    limited purpose of proving the existence
    of the charged conspiracy. The government
    also proposed that a limiting instruction
    be read to the jury to explain the
    evidence./4
    The defendants moved to exclude the
    evidence, arguing it lacked indicia of
    reliability because the government had
    argued at Sapoznik’s subsequent
    sentencing hearing that he was a liar.
    The district court granted the motion,
    relying on the fact that Sapoznik had
    lied, thus finding that the evidence did
    not have a sufficient guarantee of
    trustworthiness under Fed. R. Evid. 804.
    The district court judge also stated that
    he was "concerned that under a 403
    analysis it would be more prejudicial
    than it would be probative because of the
    basic lack of reliability that I find in
    this statement." The government moved for
    reconsideration, but the district court
    denied that motion as well for the same
    reasons, adding that "it’s incredibly
    unfair to have a damaging statement like
    this read to the jury without any ability
    of the defense to cross-examine a person
    like that."
    C.   Testimony of Edward Bluthardt, Jr.
    In the government’s Santiago proffer, it
    also sought to introduce the testimony of
    Edward Bluthardt, Jr., who would testify
    that he began work with the Schiller Park
    Police Department in about 1976, and
    served as its Chief of Police from 1980
    to 1993. Bluthardt’s father was mayor of
    Schiller Park during this time period.
    The government further proffered that
    Bluthardt would testify, pursuant to Fed.
    R. Evid. 801(d)(2)(E), that several times
    in the late 1970s and early 1980s, he ran
    into Eboli at local restaurants and bars
    at which time Eboli would bring up the
    subject of video poker machines and how
    lucrative they were. Eboli allegedly
    promised him that once machines were put
    in Schiller Park, Bluthardt would be
    taken care of and get a lot of money.
    Bluthardt always responded that he and
    his father were opposed to the machines
    and would not allow them into town.
    Defendant Natale filed a motion to
    suppress this testimony, arguing that the
    circumstances surrounding the
    conversations, which allegedly occurred
    over 20 years ago, and the fact that
    Eboli was dead, compelled their exclusion
    under Fed. R. Evid. 403. In addition,
    Natale argued that, since Bluthardt was
    not alleged to have been a member of the
    conspiracy, his statements were not
    properly admissible under Rule
    801(d)(2)(E). The government responded
    that the statements were important
    evidence of Eboli’s attempt to extend the
    conspiracy. The district court
    grantedNatale’s motion, stating, in part,
    "I’m troubled by the remoteness in time
    and the fact that this is by this
    gentleman who is no longer alive about
    somebody’s father who doesn’t like to
    have them in his village . . . . I am
    concerned under a 403 analysis that this
    is very attenuated and not terribly
    probative." And, in its final ruling, the
    court stated, "Attenuated, it’s probably
    a different conspiracy altogether, 403.
    Shall I go on?"
    II.
    18 U.S.C. sec. 3731 authorizes this
    court to review interlocutorily a
    district court decision suppressing or
    excluding evidence, where, as here, the
    United States attorney certifies to the
    district court that the appeal is not
    taken for the purpose of delay and the
    evidence is a substantial proof of a fact
    material in the proceeding. We review the
    district court’s construction of
    evidentiary rules de novo, and the
    application of those rules to the facts
    for an abuse ofdiscretion. United States
    v. Robbins, 
    197 F.3d 829
    , 837 (7th Cir.
    1999).
    A.   Seymour Sapoznik’s Plea Allocution
    1.   Rule 804(b)(3).
    The first issue on appeal is whether the
    district court correctly excluded
    Sapoznik’s plea allocution, which the
    government sought to admit pursuant to
    Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(3), the hearsay
    exception for statements against penal
    interest. The exception applies if the
    declarant is unavailable and the
    statement:
    which was at the time of its making . .
    . so far tended to subject the declarant
    to . . . criminal liability, . . . that
    a reasonable person in the declarant’s
    position would not have made the
    statement unless believing it to be true.
    Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(3). The government
    argues that a guilty plea allocution
    satisfies the requirements of this rule
    and that the district court committed a
    reversible legal error by focusing on
    Sapoznik’s credibility.
    In Williamson v. United States, the
    Supreme Court had occasion to "clarify
    the scope of the hearsay exception for
    statements against penal interest." 
    512 U.S. 594
    , 596 (1994). The Court noted
    that "[r]ule 804(b)(3) is founded on the
    commonsense notion that reasonable
    people, even reasonable people who are
    not especially honest, tend not to make
    self-inculpatory statements unless they
    believe them to be true." 
    Id. at 599.
    The
    Court further stated that "[t]he question
    under Rule 804(b)(3) is always whether
    the statement was sufficiently against
    the declarant’s penal interest ’that a
    reasonable person in the declarant’s
    position would not have made the
    statement unless believing it to be
    true,’ and this question can only be
    answered in light of all the surrounding
    circumstances." 
    Id. at 603-04.
    In
    Williamson, the declarant had lied to the
    police when he was first interviewed and
    several hours later told a different
    story. 
    Id. at 596-97.
    When the declarant
    refused to testify against a co-
    defendant, the Court ruled that the self-
    inculpatory parts of his confession were
    admissible at trial. 
    Id. at 604.
    Likewise, the Supreme Court ruled that
    Rule 804(b)(3) "does not allow admission
    of non-self-inculpatory statements, even
    if they are made within a broader
    narrative that is generally self-
    inculpatory." 
    Id. at 600-01.
    When the
    statement implicates someone else along
    with the declarant, the statement has
    less credibility than ordinary hearsay
    evidence. 
    Id. at 601.
    Thus, as the Supreme Court in Williamson
    made clear, the district court should
    have addressed first whether the
    statements in Sapoznik’s plea allocution
    were self-inculpatory, and if so,
    whether, in light of the surrounding
    circumstances, a reasonable person would
    have made those statements unless he
    believed they were true. First, under
    Williamson, "the district court must
    consider whether each statement, not just
    the confession as a whole, was truly
    self-inculpatory." United States v.
    Castelan, 
    219 F.3d 690
    , 694 (7th Cir.
    2000). As in Castelan, the record before
    us is silent on whether the district
    court considered whether each statement
    in the plea colloquy was an admission of
    a fact or circumstance that tended to
    establish Sapoznik’s own guilt. But our
    review of each of the statements in the
    plea allocution demonstrates that his
    statements are genuinely self-
    inculpatory.
    The defendants argue that the plea
    colloquy was not completely self-
    inculpatory. Specifically, they point to
    those statements where, even though no
    other defendants are mentioned by name,
    Sapoznik admitted he took bribes from
    "Individual A . . . at the direction of
    Individual A’s boss," thereby
    incriminating other persons. We do not
    find this argument persuasive. It is true
    that the crime of bribery, like that of
    conspiracy, by definition requires (at
    least) two participants. But Sapoznik’s
    statements were truly inculpatory to him
    only because they did not seek to lessen
    blame as to his crime by spreading blame
    to others. While the admission of bribery
    necessarily implies that another person
    was involved, that is not the type of
    blame-spreading which typically raises
    concerns. See 
    Williamson, 512 U.S. at 603
    (noting that a declarant’s squarely self-
    inculpatory confession--"I killed X"--
    will likely be admissible under Rule
    804(b)(3) against accomplices of his who
    are being tried under a co-conspirator
    liability theory). As Justice Scalia
    noted in his concurrence, "a declarant’s
    statement is not magically transformed
    from a statement against penal interest
    into one that is inadmissible merely
    because the declarant names another
    person or implicates a possible
    codefendant." 
    Id. at 606
    (Scalia, J.,
    concurring); 
    Robbins, 197 F.3d at 839
    (quoting same). Thus, the plea allocution
    is admissible under Rule 804(b)(3) even
    if it tends to incriminate the other
    defendants when coupled with other
    evidence at trial.
    Given the statement’s self-inculpation,
    the district court next should have
    considered whether, in light of the
    surrounding circumstances at the time of
    its making, a reasonable person would
    have made the plea allocution unless
    believing it to be true. A plea of guilty
    is likely to be a classic statement
    against penal interest for obvious
    reasons, and the circumstances of this
    particular plea allocution support our
    conclusion. The defendants claim that
    Sapoznik did not plead guilty because he
    actually committed the crime of bribery.
    Rather, they argue that he was induced to
    plead guilty because he thought he was
    getting a good deal from the government.
    They allege that Sapoznik’s assumption
    later turned out to be wrong because the
    government allegedly reneged on the plea
    agreement’s guideline calculations. The
    district court stated that this rendered
    the statement "inherently unreliable
    given the circumstances of this plea."
    Our own review of the plea agreement
    itself reveals that paragraph 6(e)
    provided "the defendant and his attorney
    and the government acknowledge that the
    above calculations are preliminary in
    nature and based on facts known to the
    government at the time of this Agreement
    . . . the Court ultimately determines the
    facts and law relevant to sentencing, and
    that the Court’s determinations govern
    the final Sentencing Guidelines
    calculation." Nevertheless, even assuming
    Sapoznik was promised a "good deal" by
    the government, a reasonable person, with
    benefit of counsel, under oath, in front
    of a federal judge, with no promise of
    leniency in the actual plea agreement,
    and risking a substantial prison term,
    would likely not admit that he committed
    the crime of racketeering by accepting
    monthly bribes, unless believing that
    statement to be true. It is also safe to
    assume that when an accused person pleads
    guilty he is getting (if not a "good
    deal") a better deal than risking the
    consequences of going to trial.
    Thus, in light of all the circumstances
    of the plea allocution, we find that it
    was properly admissible under Rule
    804(b)(3). To the extent that the
    district court considered Sapoznik’s
    later lack of credibility (especially
    based on events occurring several months
    after the plea allocution), it erred as a
    matter of law. Indeed, as the Supreme
    Court made clear, "reasonable people,
    even reasonable people who are not
    especially honest, tend not to make self-
    inculpatory statements unless they
    believe them to be true." 
    Williamson, 512 U.S. at 599
    (emphasis added). Thus, the
    district court’s failure to admit the
    allocution under Rule 804(b)(3) was an
    abuse of discretion.
    We also address the district court’s
    concern that the defendants would be
    unable to cross-examine Sapoznik. The
    inability to cross-examine a declarant is
    not a ground for excluding a statement
    under Rule 804(b)(3) because the
    unavailability of the declarant is a
    prerequisite to the admission of such
    statements. See Fed. R. Evid. 804(a)(2)
    and (b)(3). In any event, the rules of
    evidence address the problem of
    impeaching an unavailable declarant:
    "[w]hen a hearsay statement . . . has
    been admitted in evidence, the
    credibility of the declarant may be
    attacked, and if attacked may be
    supported, by any evidence which would be
    admissible for those purposes if
    declarant had testified as a witness."
    Fed. R. Evid. 806. Thus, to the extent
    that the district court rested its
    exclusion of the plea allocution on the
    defendants’ inability to cross-examine
    Sapoznik, it erred as a matter of
    law./5
    2. Sixth Amendment Confrontation
    Clause.
    Finding that the plea allocution was
    properly admissible under Rule 804(b)(3)
    does not end our analysis. Even if the
    plea allocution qualifies as a statement
    against penal interest, the defendants
    argue that its admission would violate
    the Confrontation Clause of the Sixth
    Amendment. It is unclear whether the
    district court rejected this argument or
    whether it was an alternative basis for
    its ruling. Regardless, we conduct a de
    novo review of "an evidentiary ruling
    that affects a defendant’s Sixth
    Amendment right to confront witnesses,
    and independently review whether the
    proffered guarantees of trustworthiness
    satisfy the demands of the
    [Confrontation] Clause." 
    Castelan, 219 F.3d at 694
    (citations omitted).
    The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth
    Amendment guarantees the accused the
    right "to be confronted with the
    witnesses against him." U.S. Const.
    Amend. VI. "The central concern of the
    Confrontation Clause is to ensure the
    reliability of the evidence against a
    criminal defendant by subjecting it to
    rigorous testing in the context of an
    adversary proceeding before the trier of
    fact." Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
    ,
    845 (1990). This rigorous testing is most
    often conducted through the use of cross-
    examination. California v. Green, 
    399 U.S. 149
    , 158 (1970) (describing cross-
    examination as the "greatest legal engine
    ever invented for the discovery of
    truth."). However, courts allow hearsay
    to be admitted, even without the process
    of cross-examination, where "(1) ’the
    evidence falls within a firmly rooted
    hearsay exception’/6 or (2) it contains
    ’particularized guarantees of
    trustworthiness’ such that adversarial
    testing would be expected to add little,
    if anything, to the statements’
    reliability." Lilly v. Virginia, 
    527 U.S. 116
    , 124-25 (1999) (plurality opinion)
    (quoting Ohio v. Roberts, 
    448 U.S. 56
    , 66
    (1980)).
    In Lilly v. Virginia, a plurality of the
    Supreme Court held that an accomplice’s
    confession that inculpates another
    criminal defendant is not within a firmly
    rooted exception to the hearsay rule
    (even if the statement was technically
    against his own penal 
    interest). 527 U.S. at 134
    . The plurality stated that it is
    unlikely that the presumptive
    unreliability that attaches to
    accomplices’ confessions that shift or
    spread blame can be effectively rebutted
    when the statements are given under
    conditions that implicate the core
    concerns of the old ex parte affidavit
    practice--that is when the government is
    involved in the statements’ production,
    and when the statements describe past
    events and have not been subjected to
    adversarial testing.
    
    Id. at 137.
    The plurality then ruled that
    admissions by an accomplice which
    incriminate a co-defendant are only
    admissible when they contain
    "particularized guarantees of
    trustworthiness" because "such statements
    are suspect insofar as they inculpate
    other persons." 
    Id. at 139.
    The Lilly
    court concluded that the statements
    before it did not bear the guarantees of
    trustworthiness, where the police had
    extracted a confession from a drunk co-
    defendant in the middle of the night, 
    id. at 121,
    and the declarant was primarily
    responding to the officers’ leading
    questions, 
    id. at 139.
    Like the plurality in Lilly (which was
    addressing a state law hearsay
    exception), we have concluded that
    statements under Rule 804(b)(3) which
    spread or shift blame to others do not
    fall within a "firmly rooted hearsay
    exception." See United States v. Ochoa,
    
    229 F.3d 631
    , 637 (7th Cir. 2000). We
    need not decide whether statements, like
    Sapoznik’s plea allocution, which do not
    spread or shift blame, fall within such
    an exception because, as explained below,
    we conclude that the allocution contains
    particularized guarantees of
    trustworthiness to justify its admission
    into evidence.
    This court, citing Lilly, has explained
    that the "guarantees of trustworthiness
    must be inherent in the circumstances of
    the testimony itself . . . ." 
    Castelan, 219 F.3d at 695
    . Thus, we look to the
    circumstances of the plea allocution
    itself. The defendants argue that
    Sapoznik’s one-word answers to the
    judge’s questioning at the plea colloquy
    are the functional equivalent of those ex
    parte affidavits so frowned upon by the
    Supreme Court in Lilly. In our own case
    law, we have placed emphasis on whether
    the government was involved in the
    production of the statement sought to be
    admitted into evidence. See 
    Castelan, 219 F.3d at 695
    -96 (admission of declarant’s
    custodial confession to law enforcement
    officers violated Confrontation Clause
    where declarant specifically inquired as
    to benefits of his cooperation); 
    Ochoa, 229 F.3d at 638
    (statements to an FBI
    agent violated Confrontation Clause where
    agent gave declarant an incentive to
    curry favor by implicating his co-
    conspirators and where declarant’s story
    spread blame to other participants).
    Contrast Denny v. Gudmanson, 
    252 F.3d 896
    , 903 (7th Cir. 2001) (confessions to
    friends and relatives were admissible
    under Confrontation Clause where made in
    the course of noncustodial conversations,
    were not blame-shifting and were self-
    inculpatory); 
    Robbins, 197 F.3d at 840
    (declarant’s voluntary statement to his
    fiancee admissible under Confrontation
    Clause).
    However, none of our cases addressing
    the scope of Lilly have involved plea
    allocutions, such as the one before us.
    The Second Circuit has had occasion to do
    so in a number of cases, and we find
    those cases persuasive. For example, in
    United States v. Gallego, 
    191 F.3d 156
    ,
    166-68 (2d Cir. 1999), the court found
    that a plea allocution of an unavailable
    co-conspirator declarant was admissible
    under Rule 804(b)(3) and under the
    Confrontation Clause. The admitted
    references included conspiring with other
    participants. 
    Id. at 168.
    The court
    focused on the fact that the declarant
    faced a significant prison sentence, that
    he delivered the allocution under oath
    and before a judge, that "only self-
    inculpatory portions of the allocution"
    were introduced and that the district
    court "limited the impact of those
    excerpts by instructing the jury to
    consider George Gallego’s allocution only
    as evidence of a conspiracy." 
    Id. Likewise in
    United States v. Moskowitz,
    
    215 F.3d 265
    , 269 (2d Cir. 2000), the
    court found that a guilty plea allocution
    had the requisite guarantees of
    trustworthiness where it subjected the
    defendant to a lengthy prison term, was
    given under oath and where a limiting
    instruction was given to the jury. See
    also United States v. Petrillo, 
    237 F.3d 119
    , 122-23 (2d Cir. 2000) (guilty plea
    allocutions were properly admitted even
    though there is the "potential for
    coercion or misrepresentation during the
    negotiation over guilty plea
    allocutions").
    Like the Second Circuit in Gallego,
    Moskowitz and Petrillo, we find that
    Sapoznik’s redacted plea allocution
    contains the particularized guarantees of
    trustworthiness that justify its
    admissibility under the Confrontation
    Clause. As we discussed above, the mere
    fact that Sapoznik may have pleaded
    guilty to get a "good deal" does not mean
    he lied about his actual guilt. And,
    while the government was admittedly
    involved in the production of the text of
    the plea allocution, this is
    distinguishable from our cases addressing
    custodial confessions. No one has
    presented evidence in this case to
    suggest that the wording of the plea
    colloquy was coerced or manipulated for
    the purpose of indicting other
    individuals. The mere fact that the
    prosecutor recited the actual content of
    the plea agreement and Sapoznik just
    acknowledged with a short reply that he
    agreed with it does not persuade us that
    the allocution is inherently unreliable.
    Of course, it would be preferable if
    every sentencing judge encouraged
    defendants to put their guilty pleas into
    their own words, rather than merely
    adopting the prosecutor’s statements.
    This would allow the reviewing court to
    more easily determine whether the
    defendant understood the charges before
    him and whether he freely admitted those
    crimes. See, e.g., United States v.
    Martinez, 
    169 F.3d 1049
    , 1054 (7th Cir.
    1999) ("An open-ended question, inquiring
    into whether the defendant has any firm
    beliefs about . . . his decision to plead
    guilty could better flesh out these
    situations, and aid district courts in
    the first instance, and appellate courts
    on review, in assessing the validity of a
    defendant’s claim to withdraw his
    plea."). See also Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(f)
    (stating that "[n]otwithstanding the
    acceptance of a plea of guilty, the court
    should not enter a judgment upon such
    plea without making such inquiry as shall
    satisfy it that there is a factual basis
    for the plea."). Nevertheless, we find
    that the circumstances before us, the
    fact that the statements were genuinely
    self-inculpatory and did not seek to
    downplay his own role, that Sapoznik had
    the benefit of counsel, that he was under
    oath in front of a federal judge, with no
    promise of leniency, and risking a prison
    term, and the limiting instruction
    proposed by the government, constitute
    sufficient guarantees of trustworthiness
    such that the plea allocution’s admission
    into evidence will not violate the
    defendants’ rights under the Sixth
    Amendment’s Confrontation Clause. See
    
    Williamson, 512 U.S. at 605
    ("the very
    fact that a statement is genuinely self-
    inculpatory--which our reading of Rule
    804(b)(3) requires--is itself one of the
    ’particularized guarantees of
    trustworthiness’ that makes a statement
    admissible under the Confrontation
    Clause."). Cf. Richardson v. Marsh, 
    481 U.S. 200
    , 211 (1987) (holding that
    Confrontation Clause was not violated by
    the admission of a non-testifying
    codefendant’s confession with a proper
    limiting instruction when the confession
    was redacted to eliminate the defendant’s
    name and existence).
    B.   Testimony of Edward Bluthardt, Jr.
    We now turn to whether the district
    court correctly excluded the testimony of
    Edward Bluthardt, Jr., a police officer
    and son of the mayor in Schiller Park. In
    its Santiago proffer, the government
    sought to introduce Bluthardt’s testimony
    that a deceased and unindicted co-
    conspirator, Eboli, had attempted to
    bribe him to bring video gambling
    machines into Schiller Park./7 The
    government argued this evidence was
    admissible under Fed. R. Evid.
    801(d)(2)(E) as evidence of a statement
    by a co-conspirator./8 Such statements
    are admissible where the government
    establishes, by a preponderance of the
    evidence, that (1) a conspiracy existed;
    (2) the defendant and the person making
    the statement were members of the
    conspiracy; and (3) the statement was
    made during the course and in furtherance
    of the conspiracy. See Bourjaily v.
    United States, 
    483 U.S. 171
    , 175 (1987);
    
    Stephenson, 53 F.3d at 842
    . We review the
    district court’s decision to exclude this
    testimony for an abuse of discretion,
    United States v. Skidmore, 
    254 F.3d 635
    ,
    638 (7th Cir. 2001), and we review a
    trial court’s determination that the
    government has proved these three
    elements under a clearly erroneous
    standard. 
    Stephenson, 53 F.3d at 842
    .
    However, our review of the transcripts
    indicates that the district court did not
    go through a Rule 801(d)(2)(E) analysis
    and instead excluded the evidence under
    Rule 403./9 We review a district
    court’s exclusion of evidence under Rule
    403 for an abuse of discretion. United
    States v. Gardner, 
    238 F.3d 878
    , 881 (7th
    Cir. 2001). The district court did not
    find that Bluthardt’s proposed testimony
    was unduly prejudicial, would mislead the
    jury or that it would create undue delay,
    all typical Rule 403 considerations.
    Rather, it stated that it was concerned
    that the evidence was too remote in time,
    that Eboli was deceased, that it probably
    involved a different conspiracy
    altogether and was not probative.
    First, the government argues that the
    court incorrectly concluded that the
    statements were too remote in time. We
    agree. While the statements were made
    over twenty years ago (they were
    allegedly made in the 1970s and 1980s),
    the charged RICO conspiracy was alleged
    to have begun in 1978. If evidence were
    excludable on the sole basis that it
    stretched back over the decades, the
    government would be substantially limited
    in attempting to prove its case. There is
    no expiration date on probative
    testimony. Of course, the defendants may
    wish to present evidence, or argue on
    cross-examination, that Bluthardt’s
    recollection is poor or that his
    testimony is otherwise not believable.
    However, this does not mean the evidence
    is unduly prejudicial. Instead, it goes
    to its credibility, a determination the
    jury is particularly suited to make. See
    
    Mejia, 909 F.2d at 245
    . Accordingly, it
    was an abuse of discretion for the court
    to exclude the evidence based on the fact
    that the conversations were remote in
    time.
    Second, the government argues that the
    court incorrectly focused on Eboli’s
    death. The government argues that the
    death of a co-conspirator is an
    insufficient basis to exclude evidence of
    his statements. Cf. United States v.
    Guzzino, 
    810 F.2d 687
    , 695 (7th Cir.
    1987) (witness’ testimony regarding co-
    conspirator statements made by deceased
    co-conspirator sufficient to support
    conviction). If Eboli’s statements (and
    Bluthardt’s repetition of them) are
    otherwise admissible under a hearsay
    exception, we cannot see how his death
    creates a problem under Rule 403. There
    is no danger of unfair prejudice,
    confusion of the issues, or misleading
    the jury, nor are there considerations of
    undue delay, waste of time, or needless
    presentation of cumulative evidence. Nor
    did the district court explain why
    Eboli’s death would create any such
    problems. Accordingly, we believe the
    district court abused its discretion by
    excluding the evidence under Rule 403
    based on Eboli’s death.
    Next, the government argues that the
    court incorrectly speculated that the
    testimony involved a different conspiracy
    by focusing on the fact that Eboli’s
    attempted bribery of Bluthardt was in a
    town other than one specifically named in
    the indictment. We agree. The government
    seeks to present the evidence as an
    (unsuccessful) attempt to expand the
    conspiracy by influencing public
    officials. The indictment specifically
    stated that the conspiracy existed in
    various named towns and "elsewhere in the
    State of Illinois." In addition, the
    indictment itself need not allege each
    and every overt act committed by the co-
    conspirators in furtherance of that
    conspiracy. See, e.g., United States v.
    McKinney, 
    954 F.2d 471
    , 476 (7th Cir.
    1992) ("a jury may base a conspiracy
    conviction on proof of an overt act not
    charged in the indictment.").
    Accordingly, it was an abuse of
    discretion for the district court to
    exclude Bluthardt’s testimony under Rule
    403 because it refers to a town not
    specifically charged in the indictment.
    Lastly, the government argues that the
    district court abused its discretion in
    concluding that the evidence was not
    probative. We agree. The testimony, if
    true, is certainly probative of the
    existence and structure of the conspiracy
    and that one aspect of the conspiracy
    included bribery of law enforcement and
    public officials. In addition, we see
    nothing unfairly prejudicial about the
    testimony. True, the testimony makes the
    defendants look guilty, but probative
    evidence is always prejudicial in this
    literal sense. However, such prejudice is
    not "undue" and is therefore not subject
    to exclusion under Rule 403. See United
    States v. Bradley, 
    145 F.3d 889
    , 893 (7th
    Cir. 1998).
    We note that the district court’s
    exclusion of the evidence under Rule 403
    is somewhat inconsistent with its ruling
    admissible the testimony of Michael
    O’Donnell, a Franklin Park bar owner, who
    will testify that, in the mid 1980s,
    Eboli asked him to offer Bluthardt
    $50,000 to allow video poker machines
    into Schiller Park. If that testimony is
    not too remote in time, related to a
    different conspiracy or affected by
    Eboli’s death, we do not see how
    Bluthardt’s own testimony is unduly
    prejudicial or insufficiently probative
    under Rule 403. All in all, we believe
    the district court abused it discretion
    by excluding Bluthardt’s testimony under
    Rule 403 and we remand the matter for the
    district court to make a determination of
    whether the testimony otherwise qualifies
    as a statement of a co-conspirator under
    Rule 801(d)(2)(E), an issue that it did
    not address and thus we cannot review.
    III.
    In sum, with respect to the district
    court’s ruling on the guilty plea
    allocution, we reverse, finding that the
    admission of Sapoznik’s plea allocution
    satisfies the demands of both Fed. R.
    Evid. 804(b)(3) and the Sixth Amendment’s
    Confrontation Clause. With respect to the
    district court’s ruling on the statements
    of a deceased co-conspirator, we find
    that the district court abused its
    discretion in excluding them under Fed.
    R. Evid. 403 and remand for further
    proceedings.
    FOOTNOTES
    /1 The court has a duty to screen proposed co-con-
    spirator statements for admissibility. See United
    States v. Stephenson, 
    53 F.3d 836
    , 842 (7th Cir.
    1995); Fed. R. Evid. 104(a). A recognized way of
    bringing such issues to the court’s attention is
    through the filing of a pre-trial proffer pursu-
    ant to United States v. Santiago, 
    582 F.2d 1128
    (7th Cir. 1978). See United States v. Rodriguez,
    
    975 F.2d 404
    , 406 (7th Cir. 1992).
    /2 Defendant Tucker was referred to by name in
    Sapoznik’s December 2, 1994 confession, but was
    referred to anonymously in this plea agreement
    because he had not yet been indicted.
    /3 In his plea agreement, Sapoznik did not plead
    guilty to taking bribes while in Stone Park, only
    in Northlake.
    /4 The proposed instruction was: "You have heard
    statements from the federal plea allocution of
    Seymour Sapoznik. You may consider these state-
    ments as evidence of the activities of Seymour
    Sapoznik and that is relevant to the case. You
    may consider these statements as evidence and,
    like any other evidence in this case, give these
    statements such weight as you believe appropri-
    ate. Please understand, however, that you may
    only consider these statements on the issue of
    whether the conspiracies charged in Counts One
    and Three existed. You can not consider this evi-
    dence in determining whether a particular defen-
    dant joined the charged conspiracies."
    /5 In addition to its Rule 804(b)(3) ruling, the
    district court also relied on Rule 403, finding
    that the evidence was probably not probative,
    based on its conclusion that Sapoznik was a liar.
    Credibility determinations are properly in the
    province of the jury and not for a court to
    determine. See United States v. Mejia, 
    909 F.2d 242
    , 245 (7th Cir. 1990). See also United States
    v. Jackson, 
    208 F.3d 633
    , 637 (7th Cir. 2000)
    (noting that a judge does not have the "right to
    prevent evidence from getting to the jury merely
    because he does not think it deserves to be given
    much weight."). Accordingly, the district court
    abused its discretion in excluding Sapoznik’s
    plea allocution under Rule 403 on this basis.
    /6 The concept "firmly rooted hearsay exception" for
    Confrontation Clause purposes does not mean
    merely a hearsay exception under the Federal
    Rules of Evidence, but rather one that "in light
    of longstanding judicial and legislative experi-
    ence . . . rests on such a solid foundation that
    admission of virtually any evidence within it
    comports with the substance of the constitutional
    protection." 
    Lilly, 527 U.S. at 126
    (citations
    omitted).
    /7 There is a dispute in the briefs about the
    intended scope of Bluthardt’s testimony. Accord-
    ing to the United States’ Reply to Defendant
    Natale’s Response to United States’ Santiago
    Proffer, Bluthardt’s anticipated testimony in-
    cluded evidence regarding anti-gambling ordinanc-
    es in Schiller Park and regarding Eboli’s at-
    tempts to bring video gambling machines into
    Schiller Park. The argument before the district
    court, and presumably its ruling, involved both
    portions of the testimony. However, on appeal,
    the government only challenges the district
    court’s exclusion of the second aspect of Bluth-
    ardt’s testimony. Thus, we limit our analysis to
    that portion of the evidence and leave undis-
    turbed the district court’s ruling as to the
    first aspect of the testimony.
    /8 Fed. R. Evid. 801(d)(2)(E) provides that a state-
    ment is not hearsay if it is "offered against a
    party and is a statement by a coconspirator of a
    party during the course and in furtherance of the
    conspiracy."
    /9 Rule 403 provides that "[a]lthough relevant,
    evidence may be excluded if its probative value
    is substantially outweighed by the danger of
    unfair prejudice, confusion of the issues, or
    misleading the jury, or by considerations of
    undue delay, waste of time, or needless presenta-
    tion of cumulative evidence."