United States v. Krueger, Paul A. ( 2005 )


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  •                           In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    ____________
    No. 04-2539
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    v.
    PAUL A. KRUEGER,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    ____________
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of Wisconsin.
    No. 03 CR 182—William C. Griesbach, Judge.
    ____________
    ARGUED FEBRUARY 15, 2005—DECIDED JULY 28, 2005
    ____________
    Before BAUER, ROVNER, and WILLIAMS, Circuit Judges.
    ROVNER, Circuit Judge. When defendant-appellant Paul
    Krueger was stopped for speeding, Wisconsin authorities
    discovered over two kilograms of marijuana in his truck.
    Krueger was initially charged in state court for trafficking
    in marijuana, but the state case was dismissed after federal
    authorities announced their intent to prosecute Krueger for
    that offense. Shortly after he was taken into federal custody
    and at the invitation of federal agents, Krueger waived his
    right to remain silent and gave a detailed statement
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    regarding his drug trafficking. Krueger later moved to
    suppress that statement, contending that because he had
    already invoked his Sixth Amendment right to an attorney
    as to the state charges, federal agents were barred from
    questioning him without an attorney present. See Michigan
    v. Jackson, 
    475 U.S. 625
    , 
    106 S. Ct. 1404
     (1986). The
    district court denied the motion to suppress. R. 25, 33.
    Krueger subsequently decided to plead guilty to possessing
    marijuana with the intent to distribute, while reserving the
    right to appeal the Sixth Amendment question insofar as
    his self-incriminating statement had an impact on the
    district court’s sentencing decision. At sentencing, the
    district court found that Krueger was responsible for
    distributing between 100 and 400 kilograms of marijuana
    and ordered Krueger to serve a prison term at the low end
    (57 months) of the range specified by the U.S. Sentencing
    Guidelines.
    Krueger appeals, contending because his statement to the
    federal agents was taken in violation of his Sixth Amend-
    ment right to counsel it should have been suppressed, and
    also that his sentence is plainly erroneous under United
    States v. Booker, 
    125 S. Ct. 738
     (2005). We conclude that we
    need not decide whether Krueger’s statement was taken in
    violation of Krueger’s Sixth Amendment rights, because
    even if it was, the district court was nonetheless free to
    consider it for sentencing purposes. As for Krueger’s
    sentence, we shall direct a limited remand to the district
    court so that it may determine whether it would be inclined
    to sentence Krueger to a lesser prison term knowing in light
    of Booker that the Sentencing Guidelines are advisory
    rather than mandatory. See United States v. Paladino, 
    401 F.3d 471
    , 483-84 (7th Cir. 2005).
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    I.
    A. Admitted Facts as to Krueger’s Guilt
    We begin with a description of the facts that led to
    Krueger’s arrest and that underlie his conviction. Krueger
    admitted nearly all of these facts in his written plea
    agreement. R. 34.
    Marinette County, Wisconsin law enforcement officers
    received information from a confidential informant (“CI”)
    that Krueger traveled to Milwaukee every two weeks to
    purchase marijuana and transported it back to Marinette
    County in northeastern Wisconsin, making stops along the
    way to sell to customers in the Outagamie and Marinette
    County areas. According to the CI, Krueger had bragged
    about dealing 450 pounds of marijuana per year. On
    June 24, 2003, the CI advised Marinette County Deputy
    Sheriff Rick Berlin that on the morning of June 25, Krueger
    would be returning to Marinette County from Milwaukee in
    his truck with a large quantity of marijuana. Deputy Berlin
    subsequently relayed that information to his patrol officers,
    along with a description of Krueger’s truck and an instruc-
    tion to “make your own case” (i.e., find a justification for
    stopping the vehicle) if the truck was spotted.
    On the morning of June 25, 2003, Deputy Barry Degnitz
    was conducting stationary radar surveillance in Marinette
    County and conducted a traffic stop of Krueger’s vehicle,
    which was traveling above the posted speed limit. Degnitz
    advised dispatch that he had stopped Krueger’s vehicle. He
    then approached the driver, who identified himself as
    Krueger. While Degnitz was running Krueger’s license and
    vehicle information through the computer in his squad car,
    Deputy Jamie Curran along with her drug-detecting canine,
    a Belgian Malinois by the name of Corey, and Deputy
    Berlin arrived at the scene. Krueger was asked to step out
    of his vehicle so that the dog could sniff around the vehicle’s
    exterior for drugs. When the canine exhibited interest in
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    the truck, Berlin asked Krueger if there were any drugs in
    the vehicle. Krueger initially denied having any drugs but
    eventually admitted that he had some “smoke” in the pocket
    of his shirt located inside the cab of the truck. Degnitz
    searched the cab and found marijuana and a pipe in the
    location Krueger had described. Krueger was then placed in
    the backseat of Degnitz’s vehicle.
    Corey the canine had “alerted” to both the passenger door
    of the truck and the driver’s side of the tailgate. When he
    was placed on the bed of the truck, Corey pushed the cover
    off of a cooler located in the back of the truck. The cooler
    was removed from the truck bed and the canine again
    alerted to the container by scratching. A subsequent search
    of the cooler revealed a .357 revolver, wrapped in an article
    of clothing. Located directly beneath the gun was a back-
    pack containing five large plastic bags of marijuana (with
    an approximate total weight of 4.8 pounds), as well as
    another plastic bag containing $3,310.56 in cash.
    Berlin advised Krueger of his Miranda rights, which he
    verbally agreed to waive. Krueger stated that the mari-
    juana in his vehicle was for his personal use, although he
    refused to identify his source. He admitted that there were
    a couple of bags of marijuana at his residence but stated “it
    was all shake.” (According to Wikipedia, a free-content on-
    line encyclopedia, “shake” is a term used to describe the
    small bits of marijuana, usually leaves, that break off
    and accumulate at the bottom of a plastic bag containing
    marijuana when the bag is handled roughly. See http://
    en.wikipedia.org; see also R. 19 at 78.) After Krueger
    refused to consent to a search of his residence, Berlin
    obtained a search warrant. During the search of the resi-
    dence, deputies recovered a total of 1.8 pounds of marijuana
    individually packaged in smaller quantities in plastic bags
    and other containers along with various paraphernalia re-
    lated to marijuana trafficking and consumption, including
    scales and numerous plastic ziplock bags of multiple sizes.
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    B. Krueger’s Uncounseled Statement as to his Marijuana
    Trafficking
    Following his arrest on June 25, 2003, Krueger was
    initially charged in Wisconsin state court with trafficking
    in marijuana. An attorney with the state public defender’s
    office was assigned to represent Krueger and did, in fact,
    represent him in the state proceeding.
    Federal authorities took an interest in the case, however,
    after Marinette County officials referred the matter to
    Special Agent Kenneth Handy of the federal Bureau of
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) and
    Handy in turn referred it to the United States Attorney for
    the Eastern District of Wisconsin. The U.S. Attorney
    eventually advised the Marinette County District Attorney
    that he would be pursuing federal charges against Krueger
    for the same conduct underlying the state charge. On
    August 7, 2003, a U.S. Magistrate Judge issued a federal
    warrant for Krueger’s arrest pursuant to a sworn criminal
    complaint charging him with possessing marijuana with the
    intent to distribute, in violation of 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 841
    (a)(1)
    and 841(b)(1)(D), as well as possessing a firearm in further-
    ance of a drug trafficking crime in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(1). R. 1, 4.
    On the morning of August 8, 2003, Krueger appeared for
    a hearing in the Marinette County District Court, where the
    state charges against him were dismissed. Immediately
    after that proceeding, Krueger was arrested on the federal
    charges. A Marinette County deputy sheriff then drove
    Krueger to Green Bay, Wisconsin, where he was transferred
    to the custody of ATF Special Agents Handy and Sandra
    DeValkenaere. Deputy Berlin, who had followed his col-
    league and Krueger to Green Bay, joined the ATF agents as
    they walked Krueger through the initial stages of federal
    processing.
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    Between 1:00 and 1:30 p.m., once Krueger had been in-
    terviewed by a federal pretrial services officer, Handy and
    DeValkenaere drove him to the Brown County Courthouse,
    where Handy had arranged for Krueger to be held pending
    his first appearance in U.S. District Court at four o’clock
    that afternoon. They parked their vehicle on the street in
    front of the courthouse and allowed Krueger to begin eating
    a lunch that Berlin and DeValkenaere had obtained for him
    from McDonald’s. While Krueger ate, Agent Handy advised
    him of his rights under Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    ,
    
    86 S. Ct. 1602
     (1966), and inquired whether he would be
    willing to cooperate with the ATF’s investigation by
    identifying his source of marijuana and other people that he
    knew to be involved in drug trafficking, including his
    customers.
    Krueger refused to cooperate at first, but eventually
    agreed to name one individual. Handy and DeValkenaere
    told Krueger they were not interested in piecemeal coopera-
    tion, however. At several points, Handy threatened to
    terminate the discussion and take Krueger to his holding
    cell. “Fine, you’re done with your lunch, let’s go,” he said
    finally. R. 19 at 101. But as Handy opened his car door and
    began to get out of the vehicle, Krueger relented and agreed
    to tell the agents what they wanted to know. At that point,
    the agents invited Deputy Berlin, who had followed them to
    the courthouse and whose car was parked next to theirs, to
    join them, as he was likely to be more familiar with anyone
    that Krueger might implicate. Krueger was again advised
    of his Miranda rights, and he waived those rights, including
    his right to the advice of counsel, by signing a written
    WAIVER OF RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND OF RIGHT TO
    ADVICE OF COUNSEL form supplied by the agents. That form
    included the following statement:
    I do not want a lawyer at this time. I understand and
    know what I am doing. . . . I hereby voluntarily and
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    intentionally waive my rights, and I am willing to make
    a statement and to answer questions.
    Gov. Ex. 1 from evidentiary hearing held on Oct. 10, 2003.
    Krueger then spoke with the officers for approximately
    two hours. During the interview, he discussed the extent of
    his marijuana trafficking, revealing that for a period of
    between five and six years, he had been purchasing five to
    seven pounds of marijuana every other week from an
    Hispanic individual named “Luis” who lived on the south
    side of Milwaukee. Krueger also identified eight people,
    including his son, who regularly purchased marijuana from
    him.
    Krueger appeared in district court later that afternoon
    and was released on a cash bond.
    C. Motion to Suppress
    Approximately three weeks later, a federal grand jury
    indicted Krueger on a single charge that he had knowingly
    possessed marijuana with the intent to distribute, in
    violation of 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 841
    (a)(1) and 841(b)(1)(D). R. 8.1
    Krueger subsequently moved to suppress the statement
    that he made on August 8, 2003, after he was transferred
    from state to federal custody, contending that the statement
    was obtained in violation of his Sixth Amendment right to
    counsel. Krueger argued that because he was represented
    by an attorney on the state charges that were dismissed
    earlier that day, because the federal authorities were in
    communication with state authorities regarding Krueger
    and were on notice that he was represented in the state
    1
    The government decided not to pursue the section 924(c)(1)
    firearm charge against Krueger after concluding that his pos-
    session of the firearm was not in furtherance of his marijuana
    trafficking.
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    proceeding, and because the federal complaint pursuant to
    which he was transferred to the custody of Special Agents
    Handy and DeValkenaere was based on the same facts as
    the state charges, Krueger had effectively invoked his right
    to counsel as to the federal charge, thereby precluding the
    agents from asking Krueger to speak with them, notwith-
    standing his subsequent decision to waive his right to
    counsel. See Michigan v. Jackson, 
    supra,
     
    475 U.S. at 636
    ,
    
    106 S. Ct. at 1411
     (“if police initiate interrogation after a
    defendant’s assertion, at an arraignment or similar proceed-
    ing, of his right to counsel, any waiver of the defendant’s
    right to counsel for that police-initiated interrogation is
    invalid”). R. 23 at 5-7.
    After conducting an evidentiary hearing on the motion to
    suppress, Magistrate Judge Patricia Gorence recommended
    that the district court deny the motion, R. 25 at 18-20, and
    the district judge accepted that recommendation, R. 33 at
    12-23. Judge Griesbach rejected Krueger’s contention that
    his prior invocation of his right to counsel in the state
    proceeding extended to the factually related federal com-
    plaint that brought him into the custody of Special Agents
    Handy and DeValkenaere. R. 33 at 18. Consequently,
    Michigan v. Jackson would have barred the federal agents
    from initiating a discussion with Krueger only if his right
    to counsel had already attached in the federal case and
    Krueger had invoked that right. Although the court agreed
    that Krueger’s right to counsel had attached with the filing
    of the federal criminal complaint, Krueger had not yet
    invoked that right when he was taken into federal custody
    and awaiting his first appearance in the district court. R. 33
    at 21-23. As a result, Handy and DeValkenaere were free to
    question him unless and until he did request an attorney.
    Krueger’s written waiver of his Sixth Amendment right to
    counsel was therefore valid. R. 33 at 23.
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    D. Plea Agreement
    Following the denial of his motion to suppress, Krueger
    entered into a detailed written plea agreement with the
    government. R. 34. In that agreement, the parties “agree[d]
    to recommend to the sentencing court that, based on evi-
    dence available to the government and admissible against
    the defendant, the government is able to establish by a
    preponderance of the evidence that the drug quantity
    attributable to the defendant is at least 100 kilograms of
    marijuana.” 
    Id.
     at 5-6 ¶ 14. However, Krueger reserved “the
    right to raise on appeal the issue of whether or not the
    district court may properly rely upon the defendant’s
    August 8, 2003 statement in determining the applicable
    Sentencing Guideline range, given the Sixth Amendment
    claim raised by the defendant in pretrial motions.” 
    Id.
     at 9
    ¶ 27; see also R. 48 at 8.
    At the conclusion of a change-of-plea hearing on
    December 19, 2003, the district court accepted Krueger’s
    plea of guilty.
    E. Sentencing
    For most narcotics offenses, the Sentencing Guidelines
    prescribe a base offense level tied to the quantity of narcot-
    ics that the defendant’s relevant criminal conduct involved.
    See U.S.S.G. §§ 2D1.1(a)(3), 2D1.1(c). The pre-sentence
    report (“PSR”) prepared for Krueger’s sentencing included
    a finding that Krueger was responsible for trafficking at
    least 100 but less than 400 kilograms of marijuana, a
    finding that resulted in a base offense level of 26. PSR at 7
    ¶ 27; see U.S.S.G. § 2D1.1(c)(7). The parties did not disagree
    as to the quantity of marijuana attributed to Krueger: his
    own statement of August 8, indicating that he had pur-
    chased between five and seven pounds of marijuana every
    other week for five to six years, supported a finding that he
    was responsible for a minimum of 295 kilograms; and it was
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    no doubt for that reason that Krueger had stipulated in the
    plea agreement that the government could prove him
    responsible for at least 100 kilograms of marijuana. R. 34
    at 5-6 ¶ 14. The focus of the parties and the court at
    sentencing instead focused on whether there was a basis for
    the quantity finding independent of Krueger’s August 8
    statement.
    The government took the position that the court did not
    need to rely on Krueger’s August 8 statement in order to
    find him responsible for at least 100 kilograms of mari-
    juana. The government reasoned that the following evi-
    dence, obtained from various sources other than Krueger’s
    statement and set forth in the PSR, was sufficient to
    establish that he had distributed at least 100 kilograms of
    marijuana:
    (1) 2.191 kilograms of marijuana was found in
    Mr. Krueger’s truck at the time of his arrest, and
    another 1.883 kilograms was discovered when his
    home was searched later that same day. In addi-
    tion, $3,310.56 was found in the truck at the time
    of Krueger’s arrest; and assuming that the cash
    represented the proceeds of marijuana sold at a
    price of $90 per ounce (the price identified by one of
    Krueger’s customers), it corresponded to another
    1.043 kilograms of marijuana, for a total of
    5.117 kilograms. PSR at 5 ¶ 18.
    (2) The confidential informant who tipped off
    Wisconsin authorities to Krueger had indicated that
    Krueger had been traveling to Milwaukee every
    other week for several months and purchasing
    approximately 20 pounds of marijuana on each
    occasion. Excluding the day of Krueger’s arrest, and
    counting backward for a period of three months,
    these biweekly 20-pound purchases would yield a
    total of 54.43 kilograms. PSR at 5 ¶ 19.
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    (3) When Krueger made his biweekly trips to Milwau-
    kee to purchase marijuana, his habit was to stop
    along the way and stay with longtime friend Reu-
    ben Stoegbauer in or near Appleton, Wisconsin. On
    August 27, 2003, several weeks after Krueger had
    given his statement, one or more law enforcement
    officials went to speak with Stoegbauer. Recall that
    a gun was found in Krueger’s truck at the time of
    his arrest, and this formed the basis for the charge
    in the original complaint against Krueger that he
    had possessed a firearm in furtherance of a drug
    trafficking offense, in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(1). However, Krueger evidently insisted
    that he had only recently acquired the gun and that
    he planned to hang it on a wall—in other words,
    that his possession of the gun was unrelated to his
    marijuana trafficking. See R. 49 at 17. Krueger
    apparently suggested that Stoegbauer could back
    him up on this. When officials followed up with
    Stoegbauer, Stoegbauer evidently told them enough
    to convince the government to drop the section
    924(c) firearm charge. See id. at 17-18. More perti-
    nently with respect to the drug quantity calcula-
    tion, Stoegbauer also volunteered that he was one
    of Krueger’s marijuana customers. Stoegbauer
    revealed that he had been purchasing four-ounce
    quantities of marijuana from Krueger every other
    week for ten years at $90 an ounce. Those pur-
    chases added up to 29.484 kilograms of marijuana.
    Stoegbauer also provided officials with the names
    and addresses of six other individuals whom he
    identified as regular customers of Krueger. PSR at
    5-6 ¶ 20.
    (4) The foregoing quantities of marijuana totaled
    roughly 90 kilograms. To reach the 100-kilogram
    threshold, the government cited two additional
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    pieces of evidence. First, the confidential informant
    who brought Krueger to the attention of the author-
    ities had said that Krueger bragged to him about
    dealing 450 pounds (204 kilograms) of marijuana
    per year. Second, Stoegbauer had identified six
    other individuals who were regular customers of
    Krueger. Although the government declined to
    derive a particular drug quantity from either piece
    of evidence, it reasoned that one could fairly infer
    from both that Krueger was responsible for at least
    another ten kilograms of marijuana. PSR at 5-6
    ¶ 20.
    Krueger did not concede that the government’s alternate
    evidentiary basis for the drug quantity determination was
    sufficient, apart from his August 8 statement, to support a
    finding that he was responsible for at least 100 kilograms.2
    However, he did not identify any particular shortcoming in
    the other evidence relating to his trafficking. At the sen-
    tencing hearing, Krueger’s counsel was studiously neutral
    on the subject. It is evident from the attorney’s remarks
    that Krueger wished to preserve his right to appeal the
    denial of the motion to suppress his August 8 statement
    and therefore did not want to concede that the court could
    hold him responsible for 100 or more kilograms of mari-
    juana without relying on that statement. But Krueger’s
    counsel again did not cite any particular flaw in the alter-
    native basis that the government proffered for the 100-plus
    kilogram finding.
    2
    In his written objections to the PSR, Krueger’s counsel said that
    “I do not agree with all of the inferences and extrapolations in the
    [government’s] alternative theory for relevant conduct . . . nor do
    I agree that the two theories are separable factually or legally.”
    PSR, attachment (April 18, 2004 letter from defense counsel to
    probation officer) at 1-2.
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    For his part, Judge Griesbach inquired whether the al-
    ternative evidentiary basis for the drug quantity was truly
    independent of Krueger’s August 8 statement. Stoegbauer
    gave his statement to the authorities after August 8, when
    Krueger himself had discussed his marijuana sales with
    federal agents; and by the time he was interviewed,
    Stoegbauer was aware that Krueger had been arrested.
    This caused the judge to wonder whether Stoegbauer might
    have known that Krueger had already revealed the extent
    of his marijuana trafficking. If he did know, then
    Stoegbauer might have been more forthcoming about
    Krueger’s criminal activity than he otherwise would have
    been, and to that extent, Stoegbauer’s statement might be
    viewed as the fruit of Krueger’s August 8 statement.
    Neither Krueger’s counsel nor the AUSA could shed any
    light on that possibility; neither attorney had spoken with
    Stoegbauer, and neither could say whether he knew how
    much Krueger had already told the ATF agents about his
    drug dealing.
    After adopting the factual findings set forth in the PSR,
    Judge Griesbach determined that Krueger’s relevant con-
    duct included trafficking in excess of 100 kilograms of
    marijuana. R. 49 at 20. The judge noted that Krueger’s
    August 8 statement alone supported a finding of at least
    295 kilograms. Id. But the court also agreed that apart from
    Krueger’s own statement, there was other evidence support-
    ing a finding of at least 100 kilograms:
    I’m satisfied that the report of the CI as recounted
    in the pre-sentence report and the statement of
    Mr. St[o]egbauer would provide an alternate basis for
    me to conclude that the amount of marijuana that
    Mr. Krueger sold over the period of time leading up to
    his arrest was in excess of 100 kilograms. It was sig-
    nificantly in excess of that.
    Id. The judge added the following qualification to his
    finding:
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    Now I’m not making any determination as to whether
    Mr. St[o]egbauer’s testimony would have been available
    absent Mr. Krueger’s statement. I don’t know all that.
    But I can making the finding and I will make the find-
    ing that even absent Mr. Krueger’s statement, that the
    confidential informant and the statement recounted by
    Mr. St[o]egbauer would be another way in which to
    arrive at the relevant conduct.
    Id. at 20-21.
    The finding that Krueger had distributed in excess of 100
    kilograms of marijuana resulted in a base offense level of 26
    under the Sentencing Guidelines. U.S.S.G. § 2D1.1(c)(7).
    The Guidelines specified a two-level enhancement based on
    Krueger’s possession of a firearm. Id. § 2D1.1(b)(1). Three
    levels were then subtracted based on Krueger’s timely
    acceptance of responsibility (after the court granted the
    government’s motion for the extra acceptance point).
    § 3E1.1. The resulting adjusted offense level of 25, com-
    bined with Krueger’s criminal history category of I, called
    for a sentencing range of 57 to 71 months. However, the
    statutory maximum sentence was 60 months, thus con-
    fining the court’s discretion to a range of 57 to 60 months.
    See § 5G1.1(c)(1).
    Before imposing a sentence on Krueger, Judge Griesbach
    remarked on the limits of his discretion under the
    Guidelines, observing that “[c]ourts do not have discretion
    to sentence outside of the guidelines except under very rare
    circumstances” and that “these are the guidelines that I am
    to apply, and they prescribe a sentence within the range of
    57 months to, as I said, 71 months, which is a little under
    five years to almost six years, but the [statutory] maximum
    here is five years.” R. 49 at 24-25. When asked for their
    views, counsel for the government as well as Krueger urged
    the court to impose the minimum Guidelines sentence. Id.
    at 25, 27. The judge agreed with the parties that “the
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    minimal guidelines sentence here is appropriate.” Id. at 31.
    Krueger was therefore ordered to serve a prison term of 57
    months, followed by two years of supervised release. R. 42
    at 2-3. The court also ordered Krueger to pay a fine of $500
    and a special assessment of $100. Id. at 5.
    II.
    A. Sixth Amendment
    Michigan v. Jackson holds that if the police initiate
    interrogation of a defendant after he has asserted his Sixth
    Amendment right to the assistance of counsel at an ar-
    raignment or a similar proceeding, any waiver by the
    defendant of his right to counsel for purposes of that
    interrogation is invalid. 
    475 U.S. at 636
    , 
    106 S. Ct. at 1411
    .
    In order for the Jackson prohibition to apply, two conditions
    must be met: first, the defendant’s right to counsel must
    have attached, and second, the defendant must have
    invoked that right. See United States v. Spruill, 
    296 F.3d 580
    , 586-87 (7th Cir. 2002) (quoting United States v.
    Avants, 
    278 F.3d 510
    , 515 (5th Cir. 2002)); United States v.
    McKinley, 
    84 F.3d 904
    , 908 (7th Cir. 1996). Once these
    conditions are satisfied, Jackson precludes the police from
    initiating a discussion with the defendant outside the
    presence of his counsel, even if the defendant is amenable
    to their overtures.
    The question presented in this case is whether a defen-
    dant’s invocation of his right to representation in a state
    prosecution can trigger the Jackson bar against interro-
    gation as to a subsequent federal prosecution on a related
    charge. There is no question that Krueger’s right to counsel
    had attached and that he had invoked that right in Wiscon-
    sin state court: a public defender had been appointed for
    Krueger, and on the very day that the state charges against
    Krueger were dismissed in deference to the federal prosecu-
    tion, Krueger appeared in court with his defender. As to the
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    state charges, then, the Jackson prohibition was in full
    force. But Krueger was not questioned about the state
    charge: when Handy and DeValkenaere initiated their
    discussion with Krueger, the state charges had been
    dismissed, and Krueger was awaiting his first appearance
    in federal court. A defendant cannot invoke his right to
    counsel once as to all crimes that the authorities might wish
    to question him about in the future, McNeil v. Wisconsin,
    
    501 U.S. 171
    , 175, 
    111 S. Ct. 2204
    , 2207 (1991); rather, the
    Sixth Amendment right to counsel is offense specific, ibid.;
    Texas v. Cobb, 
    532 U.S. 162
    , 167-68, 
    121 S. Ct. 1335
    , 1340
    (2001). Even if there is a factual relationship between prior
    and subsequent charges, Jackson will not necessarily
    prohibit the police from talking to the defendant about the
    later charge. 
    id. at 168
    , 
    121 S. Ct. at 1340-41
    . Generally
    speaking, only if the two offenses may be considered the
    “same” crime for double jeopardy purposes might Jackson
    come into play. 
    Id. at 173
    , 
    121 S. Ct. at 1343
    .
    Without doubt, there is a substantial overlap between the
    state and federal crimes with which Krueger was charged,
    but the hurdle for Krueger is that the two sets of charges
    were brought by separate sovereigns. The Supreme Court
    has held that the Double Jeopardy Clause does not preclude
    both the federal and state governments from prosecuting a
    defendant based on the same set of facts, even if the
    charged crimes have virtually identical elements. See Heath
    v. Alabama, 
    474 U.S. 82
    , 89, 
    106 S. Ct. 433
    , 437-38 (1985)
    (coll. cases); see also, e.g., United States v. Ray, 
    238 F.3d 828
    , 835 (7th Cir. 2001). Rather, pursuant to the doctrine of
    dual sovereignty,3 each sovereign is free to charge the
    3
    “The dual sovereignty doctrine is founded on the common-law
    conception of crime as an offense against the sovereignty of the
    government. When a defendant in a single act violates the ‘peace
    and dignity’ of two sovereigns by breaking the laws of each, he has
    (continued...)
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    defendant under its own law. Heath, 
    474 U.S. at 88-90
    , 106
    S. Ct. at 437-38. Because the Supreme Court has held that
    term “offense” has the same meaning for purposes of the
    Jackson Sixth Amendment analysis as it does for double
    jeopardy purposes, Cobb, 
    532 U.S. at 173
    , 
    121 S. Ct. at 1343
    , one might conclude that a defendant’s invocation of
    his right to counsel as to a charge brought by a state
    government will not be treated as the invocation of his right
    as to the federal charge, irrespective of the common factual
    basis for the two charges. See United States v. Avants, 
    278 F.3d 510
    , 517 (5th Cir. 2002); United States v. Coker, 
    298 F. Supp. 2d 184
    , 190-91 (D. Mass. 2003); contra United States
    v. Mills, ___ F.3d ___, 
    2005 WL 1444145
    , at *1 (2d Cir. June
    21, 2005) (concluding that “[u]nder Cobb, the Sixth Amend-
    ment right of counsel extends to offenses considered to be
    the “same offense” as those to which the right has already
    attached even when they are prosecuted by different
    sovereigns”).
    Still, the dual sovereignty doctrine may not pose an
    insurmountable obstacle for someone in Krueger’s position:
    in United States v. Red Bird, 
    287 F.3d 709
     (8th Cir. 2002),
    our colleagues on the Eighth Circuit concluded that Jackson
    precluded a federal agent from initiating an interview with
    the defendant about a possible federal charge when the
    defendant had already been charged with essentially the
    same crime in tribal court.
    The defendant in Red Bird had been charged with rape,
    arraigned on that charge, and assigned counsel in tribal
    court when an FBI agent, with the assistance of a tribal
    investigator, located the defendant and initiated an inter-
    view with him regarding the rape allegation. (Because the
    3
    (...continued)
    committed two distinct ‘offences.’ ” Heath, 
    474 U.S. at 88
    , 106 S.
    Ct. at 437 (quoting United States v. Lanza, 
    260 U.S. 377
    , 382, 
    43 S. Ct. 141
    , 142 (1922)).
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    crime occurred on a Native American reservation, the fed-
    eral government also had jurisdiction over the matter.) The
    defendant waived his Miranda rights and gave a statement
    to the FBI agent. He was subsequently charged with sexual
    abuse in federal court based on precisely the same facts
    underlying the rape charge in tribal court.
    The district court suppressed his statement, concluding
    that the defendant’s right to counsel had attached and had
    been invoked when he was arraigned on the rape charge in
    tribal court.4 Both the tribal investigator and the FBI were
    aware of the pending charge in tribal court and knew that
    the defendant was represented in that proceeding, yet
    neither had contacted the defendant’s attorney and sought
    permission to speak with the defendant. Thus, the FBI
    agent’s subsequent interview with the defendant was barred
    by Jackson. United States v. Red Bird, 
    146 F. Supp. 2d 993
    (D. S.D. 2001).
    The Court of Appeals affirmed, rejecting the government’s
    contention that because the federal sexual abuse charge
    was not the same charge as the rape charge in tribal court
    for double jeopardy purposes, it should be considered dis-
    tinct for purposes of the Sixth Amendment as well. In the
    Eighth Circuit’s view, because the tribal charge had trig-
    gered the federal inquiry, tribal authorities had “worked in
    tandem” with the FBI to investigate the rape, the elements
    of the tribal and federal charges were essentially the same,
    and because tribal sovereignty was unique and limited in
    nature, it was not dispositive that the two charges were
    brought by different sovereigns. Id. at 715. Like the district
    court, the Court of Appeals concluded that because the
    defendant’s right to counsel had attached and been invoked
    in the tribal proceeding, Jackson precluded the FBI from
    instigating a discussion with him in the absence of his
    4
    Under his tribe’s constitution, Red Bird enjoyed a right to
    counsel in tribal court. 
    287 F.3d at 711
    .
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    counsel. 
    Id. at 715-16
    . Accord United States v. Bowlson, 
    240 F. Supp. 2d 678
    , 683-84 (E.D. Mich. 2003) (“where the
    federal and state authorities’ investigations were inexorably
    intertwined,” Jackson barred federal agents from question-
    ing defendant about a bank robbery with which he had
    already been charged, and as to which he was already
    represented by counsel, in state court, notwithstanding
    federal government’s power to charge him separately for the
    same robbery).
    The Second Circuit has likewise rejected the contention
    that the dual sovereignty doctrine renders overlapping
    federal and state charges distinct for Sixth Amendment
    purposes. Mills, 
    2005 WL 1444145
    . The court acknowledged
    Cobb’s holding that the term “offense” should be given the
    same meaning in the Sixth Amendment context as it is in
    the double jeopardy setting. Id., at *4. The court also
    recognized that the Double Jeopardy Clause will not bar
    two sovereigns from separately charging a defendant based
    on the same set of facts, even when the charged crimes
    would amount to the “same offense” under Blockburger v.
    United States, 
    284 U.S. 299
    , 
    52 S. Ct. 180
     (1932). Mills,
    
    2005 WL 1444145
    , at *4. Nonetheless, the court found no
    support in Cobb for the notion that the dual sovereignty
    doctrine permits a defendant to be questioned as to a
    federal charge when he has already been charged with
    essentially the same crime in state court and his right to
    counsel has attached to the state charge:
    Cobb makes clear that Sixth Amendment violations are
    offense specific and, consequently, evidence obtained in
    violation of the Sixth Amendment is not admissible in
    subsequent prosecutions for the “same offense” as
    defined by Blockburger. The fact that Cobb appropriates
    the Blockburger test, applied initially in the double
    jeopardy context, does not demonstrate that Cobb in-
    corporates the dual sovereignty doctrine: The text is
    used simply to define identity of offenses. Where, as
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    here, the same conduct supports a federal or a state
    prosecution, a dual sovereignty exception would permit
    one sovereign to question a defendant whose right to
    counsel had attached, to do so in the absence of counsel
    and then to share the information with the other
    sovereign without fear of suppression. We easily con-
    clude that Cobb was intended to prevent such a result.
    Id., at *5; see also David J. D’Addio, Comment, Dual
    Sovereignty and the Sixth Amendment Right to Counsel, 113
    Yale L. J. 1991, 1992 (2004) (arguing that dual sovereignty
    principles should not be imported into Sixth Amendment
    jurisprudence, because to do so “creat[es] the potential for
    cooperating sovereigns to circumvent a defendant’s Sixth
    Amendment right to counsel”).
    The facts in this case make room for a similar theory.
    After Krueger was charged in state court, state officials
    referred the case to ATF Special Agent Handy and the
    U.S. Attorney for possible federal prosecution, and the U.S.
    Attorney elected to pursue federal charges against Krueger.
    Once a federal warrant was issued for Krueger’s arrest, the
    state charges against Krueger were dismissed and he was
    immediately arrested on the federal warrant at the
    Marinette County Courthouse, driven to Green Bay by a
    state deputy, and delivered into the custody of federal
    agents. As Judge Griesbach observed, the transition be-
    tween the state and federal prosecutions of Krueger was
    virtually seamless:
    In essence, the United States Attorney, with the agree-
    ment of the Marinette County District Attorney, took
    over the prosecution of Krueger and the case was
    essentially transferred to federal court. The transfer
    was accomplished by the issuance of a federal arrest
    warrant and criminal complaint on August 7, 2003,
    followed by the dismissal of the state charges when
    Krueger appeared at the Marinette County Courthouse
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    the following day. There was literally no lapse in time
    between the two prosecutions.
    R. 33 at 20-21. Moreover, even after Special Agents Handy
    and DeValkenaere had taken custody of Krueger, at least
    one state official remained involved in the case. Recall that
    Deputy Sheriff Rick Berlin had followed Handy and
    DeValkenaere to the Brown County Courthouse, where
    Krueger was to be held pending his first appearance in
    federal court later, and had parked his car behind theirs.
    When Krueger finally agreed to be interviewed by the
    federal agents, Berlin was invited to join the interview as
    he was more likely to know the individuals that Krueger
    would implicate in his marijuana trafficking. These facts
    certainly give rise to the appearance of coordination be-
    tween state and federal authorities. In view of that ap-
    parent coordination, an argument could be made along the
    lines of Red Bird that the federal charges, although brought
    by a different sovereign, were essentially the same ones
    that had been asserted against Krueger in state court for
    purposes of the Sixth Amendment. That would in turn
    suggest that Handy and DeValkenaere may have ran afoul
    of Jackson when they solicited Krueger’s cooperation, for
    there is no doubt that Krueger’s right to counsel had
    attached in the state proceeding and that Krueger had
    invoked that right.
    However, this is not a subject that we need to explore
    further in this case. As a matter of prudence and restraint,
    we decide constitutional questions only if it is truly nec-
    essary to do so. See, e.g., United States v. Westmoreland,
    
    240 F.3d 618
    , 629 (7th Cir. 2001); United States v. Bloom,
    
    149 F.3d 649
    , 653 (7th Cir. 1998). For the reasons that
    follow, we are satisfied that it is unnecessary to decide the
    Sixth Amendment question that Krueger’s motion to
    suppress presented.
    We note first that Krueger preserved his right to appeal
    the district court’s ruling on this subject only insofar as his
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    August 8 statement affected his sentence. R. 34 at 9 ¶ 27.
    The district court relied on the August 8 statement as one
    of the bases for the drug quantity finding, but it also found
    that there was an alternate evidentiary basis for the find-
    ing. R. 49 at 20-21. The evidence underlying that alternate
    basis was set forth in the PSR, and the AUSA outlined that
    basis at the sentencing hearing. Although Krueger, through
    his counsel, did not concede that the cited evidence was
    sufficient, independent of his own statement, to support a
    quantity finding of at least 100 kilograms, neither did he
    identity any particular shortcoming in that evidence. The
    district court ultimately found that the evidence was suf-
    ficient to establish Krueger’s responsibility for 100 or more
    kilograms apart from his August 8 statement. Id. at 20-21.
    True, the district court made no determination as to
    whether Stoegbauer’s statement as to the extent of
    Krueger’s trafficking would have been available had
    Krueger himself not already divulged that information to
    the ATF agents. Id. However, the record as it stands does
    not give us reason to doubt that Stoegbauer still would have
    given the agents that information. The evidence indicates
    that the authorities would have contacted Stoegbauer even
    in the absence of Krueger’s August 8 statement, that
    Stoegbauer was immediately cooperative when visited by a
    federal agent, and that he readily gave statements that
    incriminated himself as well as Krueger. On its face, this
    evidence suggests that Stoegbauer’s statement was not the
    fruit of Krueger’s August 8 statement. The possibility that
    Stoegbauer might have known what his friend Krueger told
    the agents on August 8 about the extent of his marijuana
    dealing, and thus might have been more willing to incrimi-
    nate Krueger, is not one that the evidence set forth in the
    PSR suggests, nor is it one that the parties (or, for that
    matter, the district court) raised in advance of the sentenc-
    ing hearing. Had it been, Stoegbauer could have been
    summoned to testify on that point at sentencing. See id. at
    8, 19. As it stands, the record gives us no reason to believe
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    that Stoegbauer’s statement was in any way the result of or
    tainted by Krueger’s August 8 statement.
    But even if the record is as “muddy” on this point as
    Krueger suggests it is, Krueger Reply Br. at 1, there is yet
    another reason why we do not need to determine whether
    Handy and DeValkenaere interrogated Krueger in violation
    of his Sixth Amendment right to counsel. The premise of
    Krueger’s argument is that if his August 8 statement was
    obtained illegally, the district court could not consider it for
    sentencing purposes. Yet, as the government has pointed
    out, that is not necessarily the case.
    The exclusionary rule is, for the most part, inapplicable
    at the sentencing stage of a criminal prosecution. See
    United States v. Brimah, 
    214 F.3d 854
    , 858-59 (7th Cir.
    2000) (joining nine other circuits in holding that “in most
    circumstances, the exclusionary rule does not bar the in-
    troduction of the fruits of illegal searches and seizures dur-
    ing sentencing proceedings”); Del Vecchio v. Illinois Dep’t of
    Corrections, 
    31 F.3d 1363
    , 1388 (7th Cir. 1994) (en banc)
    (concluding that the exclusionary rule did not bar the
    consideration at sentencing of a confession that was al-
    legedly procured in violation of the defendant’s Miranda
    rights). Thus, sentencing judges, who operate under a
    charge to consider the broadest possible array of informa-
    tion about each defendant, see 
    18 U.S.C. § 3661
    ; U.S.S.G.
    §§ 1B1.4, 6A1.3(a), may consider reliable evidence that was
    obtained illegally in fashioning an appropriate sentence. See
    United States v. Westmoreland, 
    supra,
     
    240 F.3d at 630
    ;
    United States v. Troxell, 
    887 F.2d 830
    , 835 (7th Cir. 1989)
    (quoting United States v. Plisek, 
    657 F.2d 920
    , 926 (7th Cir.
    1981)). Accordingly, even assuming that Krueger’s August
    8 statement was taken in violation of his Sixth Amendment
    right to counsel, the district court was nonetheless free to
    rely on that evidence in making the findings necessary to
    determine the sentencing range called for by the Sentencing
    Guidelines.
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    We have, it is true, left open the possibility that the
    exclusionary rule might apply at sentencing where the
    authorities have deliberately violated the defendant’s con-
    stitutional rights for the purpose of acquiring evidence to
    boost his prospective sentence. Brimah, 
    214 F.3d at
    858
    n.4.; but see United States v. Jewel, 
    947 F.2d 224
    , 238 (7th
    Cir. 1991) (Easterbrook, J., concurring) (noting the near im-
    possibility of showing that authorities obtained evidence
    specifically for use in sentencing, and going on to observe
    that “[i]t is awfully hard to see why motive should matter
    on either prudential or doctrinal grounds”). Krueger sug-
    gests that this might be what happened here: as he sees it,
    the aim of the August 8 interview was to gather evidence
    that the government could use to boost the drug quantity
    determination and thus his sentencing range. Krueger
    Reply Br. at 5. Prior to that interview, Krueger points out,
    he was known to be responsible for the three kilograms of
    marijuana that was found in his truck and in his residence;
    after the interview, the amount “ballooned” to over 100 kilo-
    grams. Krueger Reply Br. at 6. “Clearly, the purpose and
    result of the interview was to increase Krueger’s sentence.
    What other purpose could it serve?” 
    Id.
    But the record lends little or no support to the notion that
    Handy and DeValkenaere deliberately violated Krueger’s
    right to an attorney with the intent to gather evidence that
    would increase his sentence. In fact, the testimony concern-
    ing the August 8 interview suggests that the agents were
    primarily interested in having Krueger name other persons
    who were involved in his drug dealing. Indeed, that proved
    to be a sticking point between the agents and Krueger:
    Krueger did not want to implicate anyone else (or at most,
    one other person), whereas the agents were unwilling to
    talk with him unless he was willing to name others.
    Krueger ultimately relented, and when he did, Deputy
    Sheriff Berlin was invited to join the discussion because he
    was more likely to know the individuals that Krueger would
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    name. We do not suppose that the agents were blind to the
    sentencing ramifications of what Krueger told them about
    the extent of his marijuana sales. But the record as it
    stands does not suggest that they purposely trampled his
    constitutional rights in order to lengthen his prison sen-
    tence.
    Thus, even if Handy and DeValkenaere did run afoul of
    Michigan v. Jackson and Krueger’s right to the assistance
    of counsel when they questioned him on August 8, the
    district court was not precluded from relying on Krueger’s
    statement at sentencing to ascertain the quantity of mari-
    juana for which he was responsible. We leave for another
    day the question of whether and when Jackson might
    preclude interrogation as to a federal charge that is based
    on the same facts underlying a state charge as to which the
    defendant has already invoked his right to counsel.
    B. Booker and the Judge’s Sentencing Determinations
    For purposes of determining Krueger’s offense level under
    the Sentencing Guidelines, the district court made certain
    factual determinations regarding Krueger’s criminal
    conduct. These findings went beyond the facts to which
    Krueger had stipulated in his plea agreement and were
    rendered by the court based on a preponderance of the
    evidence. They obviously include the court’s finding as to
    the total amount of marijuana for which Krueger was re-
    sponsible as well as its finding that Krueger had possessed
    a firearm during the drug offense. Both findings had the
    effect of increasing Krueger’s offense level and thus the
    Guidelines sentencing range. The Supreme Court’s decision
    in United States v. Booker, supra, 
    125 S. Ct. 738
    , does not
    preclude a sentencing judge from making factual findings
    that have the effect of increasing the Guidelines sentencing
    range, but it does render the Guidelines advisory in order
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    to avoid the constitutional problem that mandatory applica-
    tion of the Guidelines otherwise would present. See 
    id. at 750
    .
    Krueger did not make a constitutional objection to the
    factfinding in which the district court engaged at sentenc-
    ing. Although he arguably objected to the court basing its
    findings on facts other than those which he admitted in the
    plea agreement, see R. 49 at 7-8, he did not argue that the
    court was without the power to make such findings. Accord-
    ingly, Krueger forfeited the Booker challenge to his sentence
    that he makes on appeal, and our review is confined to one
    for plain error.
    Nonetheless, the government concedes that, in retrospect,
    Booker error did occur and that the error was plain: the
    district judge sentenced Krueger believing that the Guide-
    lines were mandatory. The pertinent question, then, is
    whether Krueger’s substantial rights were affected by the
    error. See Fed. R. Crim. P. 52(b); United States v. Lee, 
    399 F.3d 864
    , 866 (7th Cir. 2005). We cannot answer that
    question without knowing whether the district court would
    have been inclined to sentence him more leniently had it
    known that the Guidelines were advisory rather than man-
    datory. United States v. Paladino, 
    supra,
     
    401 F.3d at 482
    .
    The judge’s remarks at sentencing as well as the sentence
    it imposed suggest that he might have been so inclined. The
    judge made a point of remarking on his lack of discretion
    under the Guidelines, noting that the Guidelines had
    “shifted the focus of any criminal sentencing procedure from
    the normal concern and viewing of the individual, along
    with the seriousness of the offense . . ., to almost an aca-
    demic . . . or abstract calculation on guidelines,” R. 49 at 24;
    the court also sentenced Krueger at the bottom of the
    Guidelines range. We also note that the judge’s sentencing
    discretion was even more confined here than it was in the
    usual Guidelines case by virtue of the statutory maximum
    term of five years. Under these circumstances, it is entirely
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    possible that had the judge realized that he had the discre-
    tion to sentence Krueger outside of the Guidelines range, he
    might have sentenced Krueger to a lesser period of time in
    prison than the 57-month term that he imposed. See
    Paladino, 
    401 F.3d at 482
    .
    Pursuant to the course we outlined in Paladino, we
    therefore order a limited remand of the sentence to the
    district court so that the court may consider whether it
    would reimpose the original sentence if it were directed to
    resentence Krueger in light of Booker. 
    401 F.3d at 483-84
    .
    If the district court answers that question in the negative,
    indicating that it would have imposed a lesser sentence had
    it known that the Guidelines were merely advisory, then
    plain error will have been established and we shall vacate
    the sentence in order to permit re-sentencing. 
    Id. at 484
    . If,
    on the other hand, the district court concludes that it would
    reimpose the same sentence, then we shall proceed to
    consider whether that sentence is plainly erroneous in the
    sense of being unreasonable. 
    Id.,
     citing Booker, 
    125 S. Ct. at 765
    .
    III.
    For the reasons discussed above, we find no constitutional
    infirmity in Krueger’s sentence based on the district court’s
    consideration of evidence that may have been obtained in
    violation of the Supreme Court’s decision in Michigan v.
    Jackson. However, we direct a limited remand of the
    sentence so that the district court may determine whether
    it would have sentenced Krueger differently had it known
    that the Sentencing Guidelines are advisory rather than
    mandatory. We retain appellate jurisdiction pending the
    outcome of the limited remand we have ordered.
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