United States v. Jackson, Eddie ( 2008 )


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  •                               In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
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    Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399
    U NITED S TATES OF A MERICA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    v.
    E DDIE JACKSON, IEANIS S HAW, AND P AMELA Y OUNG,
    Defendants-Appellants.
    ____________
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division.
    No. 05 CR 247—Ruben Castillo, Judge.
    ____________
    A RGUED JANUARY 17, 2008—D ECIDED A UGUST 29, 2008
    ____________
    Before R IPPLE, R OVNER, and T INDER, Circuit Judges.
    T INDER, Circuit Judge. Defendants Angela Hubbard,
    Ieanis Shaw, Eddie Jackson, Pamela Young, and Bruce
    Jones were charged in a three-count indictment with
    bank fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1344 and 2. The
    government alleged that Ms. Shaw and Ms. Hubbard
    generated false mortgage loan documents in order to
    wire transfer mortgage loan proceeds to the personal
    bank accounts of friends and family. One count was
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    dismissed against Ms. Shaw, and a superseding indict-
    ment was returned, adding money laundering charges
    under 18 U.S.C. § 1957 against all defendants except
    Mr. Jones.
    Defendants Shaw, Jackson, and Young were tried by a
    jury and convicted on all counts. After denying motions
    for a new trial, the district court sentenced the de-
    fendants to terms of imprisonment and ordered them
    to pay restitution. Defendants Shaw, Jackson, and Young
    appealed. Their appeals were consolidated.
    The defendants raise three issues on appeal. They
    first challenge the district court’s decision to exclude
    hearsay evidence that Ms. Hubbard lied to the govern-
    ment about Ms. Shaw’s role in one of the wire transfers
    involved in the bank fraud scheme. They also challenge
    the sufficiency of the evidence of their guilt at trial. Lastly,
    they contend that in rebuttal argument government
    counsel improperly commented on their decisions not
    to testify in violation of their Fifth Amendment right to
    remain silent. For the following reasons, we affirm.
    I. Background
    Washington Mutual Bank (“Washington Mutual” or the
    “bank”) is the nation’s largest savings and loans. Its
    deposits are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance
    Corporation. Washington Mutual provides mortgages to
    its customers who are buying or refinancing homes. In
    2003 its mortgage loans were processed at three sites,
    including Downers Grove, Illinois.
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    The mortgage loan processing was compartmentalized
    into discrete job functions similar to an assembly line.
    First, the loans were solicited by mailings to existing
    Washington Mutual customers. If a customer completed
    certain paperwork and returned it, employees at the
    Downers Grove facility put the customer’s personal
    information into a loan processing computer system
    called “Pronto.” The mortgage loan application then
    went to “openers,” employees who were responsible for
    compiling required forms and documents for a particular
    loan and sending the loan on to the next stage of the
    process. The loan file next moved on to the underwriting
    department, where underwriters decided whether to
    approve, decline, or suspend the loan based on credit
    information in the loan file. If a loan was approved, then
    the loan file moved on to the processing department.
    Employees in that department were responsible for
    gathering any additional information needed to complete
    the mortgage loan process. Once all these steps were
    completed, the file moved to the closing department
    where employees called “closers” worked with title
    agents and attorneys to reconcile loan fees and balance
    and fund the mortgage loan. Closers were responsible
    for preparing all legal documents for loan closing, many
    of which were prepared using the Pronto system. Openers
    and closers had no business reason to interact in order
    to complete their respective job functions.
    One type of document that the closers were responsible
    for preparing was the “wire transfer worksheet.” These
    worksheets were used to initiate the actual transfer
    of funds from the bank to the specific closing location in
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    order to fund a mortgage loan. The wire transfer
    worksheets contained information such as the loan ap-
    plicant’s name, the loan number, the amount of the
    loan, and the location where the funds were to be sent.
    In 2002 and 2003, after the closer prepared the wire transfer
    worksheet, Washington Mutual’s procedures required
    that two persons sign the worksheet before it moved on
    to the wire room for funding. The first person was the
    closer who had finalized the loan paperwork; the second
    was a manager at the Downers Grove facility. In 2002
    and 2003, at the height of the mortgage refinancing
    boom, Washington Mutual employed full-time closers,
    who were regular employees, and contract closers, who
    were brought in on a part-time basis to assist with the
    increased volume of loan applications. Full-time closers
    were authorized to sign wire transfer worksheets; con-
    tract closers were not. Once the wire transfer worksheet
    had the required signatures, it was faxed from the Down-
    ers Grove facility to the Washington Mutual wire room
    in New York. Employees in the wire room reviewed the
    worksheet for approvals and authorizing signatures
    and generated the actual disbursement or wire of bank
    funds to the settlement agent, usually a title company
    or attorney. Wire transfers of bank funds for mortgage
    loans were almost never sent to the bank account of an
    individual borrower.
    The Pronto system also maintained an accounting of
    loans that had been approved and of bank funds that had
    been dispersed to fund those loans. Pronto allowed wire
    transfer requests to be “reversed.” This could be neces-
    sary where a loan funding document was not executed
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    properly or where a home sales transaction fell through at
    the last minute. The process of reversing a wire transfer
    was easy and only required a “couple clicks of a button.”
    The process could also be used to conceal a fraud. In this
    case, the defendants reversed wire transfers in Pronto
    before the system completed its daily accounting, which
    allowed them to conceal their fraud for some time. But
    the process of reversing wire transfers left forensic evi-
    dence. One could determine which Washington Mutual
    employee reversed a wire transfer in Pronto by examining
    the funding screen for that wire reversal and matching
    up the user identification number associated with the
    reversal with the master list of identification numbers
    for bank employees. Every employee who reversed a
    wire transfer in Pronto left a digital fingerprint of that
    activity.
    In early May 2003, TCF Bank notified the loss preven-
    tion team at the Downers Grove facility of a large wire
    transfer of mortgage loan funds from Washington
    Mutual into the personal bank account of TCF Bank
    customer Yvette Hulet. The May 8, 2003 wire transfer to
    Ms. Hulet’s account was in the amount of $345,943.80.
    The wiring of such a large sum of mortgage money into
    a personal bank account immediately raised red flags.
    The loss prevention team began an investigation into
    the wire transfer and determined that no one with the
    name Yvette Hulet had a pending mortgage loan ap-
    plication with Washington Mutual. The team then found
    the wire transfer worksheet used to generate the Hulet
    wire. Examination of the worksheet revealed that it had
    been printed on the then-pending mortgage loan applica-
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    tion of a person named Percy Williams. In other words,
    the worksheet had Mr. Williams’s name and loan
    number on it, but Ms. Hulet’s name was listed as the
    beneficiary of the wire and her TCF Bank account was
    the account to be credited.
    Further examination of the worksheet revealed addi-
    tional evidence of fraud. One of the authorizing signatures
    on the worksheet was Stan Zotas, who was no longer
    employed by Washington Mutual at the time of the “loan.”
    The Washington Mutual investigators determined that
    whoever generated the fraudulent wire transfer had cut
    and pasted the authorization signatures from a legitimate
    wire transfer worksheet onto the same section of the
    fraudulent Hulet worksheet and then sent it to the wire
    room for funding. The investigators concluded that the
    fraud was an inside job because the hard copies of legiti-
    mate wire transfer worksheets were only accessible to
    any current Washington Mutual employee. The investiga-
    tors also discovered that six wire transfers in Hulet’s
    name had been printed through Pronto in early May
    2003, though only one wire transfer worksheet had been
    faxed to the wire room in New York. In addition, these
    six wire transfers had been printed using Ms. Hulet’s
    personal and bank information and a pending loan ap-
    plication, and the wires had been reversed in Pronto.
    Washington Mutual attempted to determine whether
    any other similar fraudulent wire transfers had occurred
    from the Downers Grove facility. An investigation dis-
    closed that wire transfers of mortgage loan funds had
    been made from Washington Mutual to the personal
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    bank accounts of Pamela Young, Eddie Jackson, and Bruce
    Jones. First, on January 28, 2003, a wire transfer of
    $194,471.70 was made into Ms. Young’s personal checking
    account at Bank One. The wire transfer sheet contained
    Ms. Young’s name, the name of her bank and her bank
    account number. The Young wire transfer sheet had
    been printed on the pending loan application of Washing-
    ton Mutual customer Beverly Emon, also a Washington
    Mutual employee. Next, on April 1, 2003, a wire transfer
    of $250,641.40 was made into Mr. Jackson’s personal bank
    account at TCF Bank. The wire transfer had been printed
    on the pending loan application of Washington Mutual
    customer Frank Knoll. Then on April 29, 2003, a wire
    transfer of $187,134 was made into Mr. Jones’s personal
    bank account at Bank One. This wire transfer had been
    printed on the pending loan application of Washington
    Mutual customer Mark Corvo. Four other wires were
    printed with Mr. Jones’s name, but were not sent to the
    wire room for funding and were reversed before a wire
    transfer took place. The Washington Mutual investigators
    also discovered five wires in Pronto that had been
    printed in April 2003 in the name of George Davis, Defen-
    dant Shaw’s husband, for amounts ranging from $90,000
    to a bit over $100,000. None of the Davis wires were sent
    to the wire room for funding.
    The Washington Mutual investigators took steps to
    determine whether the Young, Jackson, and Jones wires
    were legitimate and found similar evidence of fraud in
    each of them. Neither Young, Jackson, nor Jones was a
    Washington Mutual mortgage loan customer in the
    winter or spring of 2003, and the authorization signa-
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    tures on each wire had been cut and pasted from
    legitimate worksheets. Washington Mutual’s investiga-
    tion led to Angela Hubbard and Ieanis Shaw. Ms. Hubbard
    had been a contract closer at the Downers Grove facility
    from September 2002 until April 28, 2003, her last day
    of employment. Ms. Shaw was hired as a contract opener
    at the Downers Grove facility in late August 2002 and
    then made a full-time employee in March 2003. Her last
    day of employment with Washington Mutual was May 20,
    2003.
    Before the January 28 wire transfer of $194,471.70 into
    Ms. Young’s personal bank account, Ms. Young’s
    checking account had maintained very low or negative
    balances. Her bank records show that the day after the
    transfer, January 29, 2003, she opened a new savings
    account at Bank One in Texas and transferred $94,243.58
    from her checking account into her new savings account.
    Bank records further show that on January 30, 2003,
    $45,207.12 was withdrawn from this new savings account.
    Also on January 29, Ms. Young wrote a personal check to
    Bank One to obtain a cashier’s check made payable to
    Angela Hubbard in the amount of $97,000. The cashier’s
    check later was endorsed by Ms. Hubbard. Bank Calumet
    records reflect that on February 3, 2003, Ms. Hubbard
    deposited $46,000 into her checking account, used $50,000
    to open a new savings account, and received $1,000 cash.
    Ms. Young and Ms. Hubbard are sisters. Telephone
    records revealed that from January 1 through January 24,
    2003, they spoke on the phone only three times for a
    total of forty-two minutes. But during the ten days from
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    January 25 through February 3, 2003, the period surround-
    ing the wire transfer, they spoke on the phone thirty-six
    times for a total of 228 minutes. In the remainder of
    February 2003, they spoke eleven times for a total of 108
    minutes.
    On April 1, 2003, $250,641.40 was wired from Wash-
    ington Mutual to a personal checking account at TCF
    Bank opened by Mr. Jackson on March 23, 2003. The
    account had very low or negative balances before the
    transfer. The same day as the wire transfer, Mr. Jackson
    wrote a personal check on the account in the amount of
    $125,000 payable to Angela Hubbard. On April 3, 2003,
    that check was deposited into Ms. Hubbard’s personal
    checking account at Bank Calumet and Ms. Hubbard
    wrote a personal check on her account payable to
    Ms. Shaw for $10,000. This check was later deposited into
    Ms. Shaw’s bank account. A week later Ms. Hubbard wrote
    another personal check for $10,000 payable to Ms. Shaw.
    This check also was deposited into Ms. Shaw’s account.
    Mr. Jackson ran through the money he retained rather
    quickly on cash withdrawals, furniture, vehicles, and gifts
    to family and friends. On June 23, 2003, less than three
    months after the wire transfer, his account balance was
    near $0.
    Telephone records of calls between Mr. Jackson and
    Ms. Hubbard reveal a spike in activity in the time period
    surrounding the April 1 wire transfer. In January and
    February 2003, Mr. Jackson and Ms. Hubbard spoke nine
    and seven times, respectively, for a total of fifty-three
    minutes each month. From March 1 through March 25,
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    2003, they had sixteen telephone conversations for a total
    of sixty-six minutes. However, during the ten days from
    March 26 through April 4, 2003, they had seventy-three
    telephone conversations for a total of 222 minutes.
    In April 2003, Ms. Shaw purchased two wedding rings
    from the Jewelry Exchange, valued at $3,225.64 and
    $2,312.21, respectively. That same month Ms. Shaw and
    her husband went on a honeymoon to Jamaica at the cost
    of $3,306. Then on May 8, 2003, Ms. Shaw purchased
    approximately $12,500 in furniture from Harlem Furniture.
    On April 29, 2003, $187,134 was transferred by wire
    from Washington Mutual to Mr. Jones’s personal checking
    account at Bank One. On May 1, Mr. Jones obtained two
    cashier’s checks. The first, in the amount of $63,567, was
    made payable to Ms. Hubbard; the second, in the amount
    of $60,000, was made payable to Ms. Shaw. Mr. Jones
    testified that Ms. Hubbard had instructed him to divide
    the proceeds of the wire transfer three ways and to
    obtain two cashier’s checks, one for her and one for Ms.
    Shaw. He also testified that he had never met Ms. Shaw
    before. Mr. Jones used his share of the proceeds to buy
    some vehicles and pay off some bills. Ms. Shaw’s bank
    records show that on May 2, 2003, she opened a new
    savings account at TCF Bank with the $60,000 cashier’s
    check. She then transferred $30,000 from that account
    into her checking account.
    Washington Mutual’s investigation revealed that the
    authorizing signatures on the Jones wire transfer were
    identical to those on the worksheet involved in the Hulet
    wire transfer that had prompted the investigation. Five
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    wires had been printed in Mr. Jones’s name, but four were
    reversed before the real wire took place. Ms. Hubbard’s
    user identification number was used to reverse the
    first four Jones wires in Pronto. Ms. Shaw’s user iden-
    tification number was used to reverse the real wire
    transfer on April 29, the day after Ms. Hubbard’s em-
    ployment at Washington Mutual ended. Ms. Shaw’s user
    identification number also was used to reverse all five
    wires printed in her husband’s name and all of the Hulet
    wires as well. The investigation also revealed that two
    wires had been printed in Mr. Jackson’s name. The first
    was printed and reversed in Pronto on March 28, 2003;
    Ms. Shaw’s user identification number was used to
    reverse the wire. Ms. Hubbard’s user identification num-
    ber was used to reverse the real wire transfer on April 1,
    2003.
    On March 17, 2005, Defendants Hubbard, Shaw, Jackson,
    Young, and Jones were charged in a three-count indict-
    ment with a scheme to defraud Washington Mutual and
    to obtain monies and funds owned by and under the
    custody and control of the bank in violation of 18 U.S.C.
    §§ 1344 and 2. The government alleged that Ms. Shaw and
    Ms. Hubbard generated false mortgage loan documents
    in order to wire transfer mortgage loan proceeds to the
    personal bank accounts of friends and family, including
    Ms. Hubbard’s sister, Ms. Young, and Ms. Hubbard’s long-
    time friend, Mr. Jackson. Mr. Jones and Ms. Hubbard
    entered into written plea agreements. On August 30,
    2005, Mr. Jones pled guilty to count three of the indict-
    ment which alleged the fraudulent wire transfer into
    his account. On October 25, 2005, pursuant to a written
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    plea agreement, Ms. Hubbard pled guilty to count one
    of the indictment alleging the fraudulent Young wire
    transfer.
    As part of her plea agreement, Ms. Hubbard agreed
    to cooperate with the government and to provide
    complete and truthful information during its investiga-
    tion and in preparation for trial of the co-defendants.
    Both in her proffer of her involvement in the scheme
    and in her plea agreement, Ms. Hubbard implicated Ms.
    Shaw in the Young wire transfer. Specifically, Ms. Hubbard
    admitted certain facts as a basis for her plea: In January
    2003 she and Ms. Shaw “began talking about the possi-
    bility of attempting to fraudulently wire money from
    Washington Mutual into someone else’s bank account”;
    they “agreed they would first attempt this scheme by
    wiring money to [Ms. Hubbard’s] sister, co-defendant
    Pamela Young”; after Ms. Young provided Ms. Shaw with
    her personal and banking information, “Shaw generated
    fraudulent mortgage loan documents in Young’s name and
    sent a wire request for mortgage loan funds to be dis-
    bursed to Young’s personal bank account”; and Ms.
    Hubbard, Ms. Shaw, and Ms. Young executed the
    scheme on January 28, 2003, by causing a wire transfer of
    loan funds to Ms. Young’s checking account and subse-
    quently agreed on how to divide the proceeds from the
    scheme, with Ms. Young keeping half and Ms. Hubbard
    and Ms. Shaw dividing the other half.
    On January 20, 2006, shortly before the start of the
    scheduled jury trial, Ms. Hubbard told the government
    that she had not been truthful in her proffer and plea
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    agreement. She claimed that Ms. Shaw had no active role
    in the Young wire transfer. More specifically, Ms. Hubbard
    said that it was she who contacted Ms. Young about
    participating in the fraud scheme, obtained Ms. Young’s
    bank account information, and generated the fraudulent
    wire transfer worksheet. However, Ms. Hubbard also
    said that she and Ms. Shaw had conversations about
    wiring money into people’s bank accounts and that
    Ms. Shaw knew Ms. Hubbard was involved in the wire
    transfer to Ms. Young’s account. Ms. Hubbard added that
    after learning how much money Ms. Hubbard and Ms.
    Young received, Ms. Shaw said she would like to get
    involved.
    The morning that trial was to commence, the govern-
    ment informed the court that Ms. Hubbard had advised
    that information she previously had provided was not
    truthful. The government took the position that Ms.
    Hubbard had lied in her proffers and in open court during
    her plea hearing and was no longer usable as a witness.
    The government moved to revoke Ms. Shaw’s plea agree-
    ment and vacate her guilty plea. The district court granted
    these motions and continued the trial date. The govern-
    ment then moved to dismiss count one of the indictment
    (involving the Young wire transfer) as to Ms. Shaw. The
    district court granted this motion. On March 1, 2006, the
    grand jury returned a nine count superseding indict-
    ment against all defendants except Mr. Jones, who by
    then had already pled guilty. The superseding indict-
    ment added money laundering charges in violation of
    18 U.S.C. § 1957.
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    After the superseding indictment was filed, the gov-
    ernment filed a supplemental evidentiary proffer to
    admit co-conspirator statements. (The district court
    previously had granted the government’s motion to
    admit co-conspirator statements based on a proffer that
    relied heavily, but not exclusively, on Ms. Hubbard’s
    statements.) The supplement proffered that Mr. Jones
    would testify that Ms. Hubbard told him that Ms. Shaw
    was orchestrating the fraud and that Ms. Hubbard could
    wire him money only if “Ieanis would do it.”
    Defendants Shaw, Jackson, and Young were tried by a
    jury and convicted on all counts. During trial, the gov-
    ernment moved to preclude the defense from presenting
    evidence about Ms. Hubbard’s January 20th partial recan-
    tation through the cross-examination of the government
    agent, Mike Clifford. Ms. Shaw’s counsel argued that the
    evidence that Ms. Hubbard recanted statements she had
    made to the government about Ms. Shaw’s involvement
    in the Young wire transfer was admissible as statements
    against interest under Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(3).1 The district
    judge cautioned, “Just before me Miss Hubbard has
    said conflicting things. So for me to allow in some type
    of hearsay statement that Miss Hubbard made is going
    to take a lot of corroborating circumstances for that to
    come in.” The court ultimately found insufficient corrobo-
    1
    Only Ms. Shaw’s counsel sought the admission at trial of
    Ms. Hubbard’s January 20 partial recantation. Mr. Jackson’s
    counsel did not take a position on the statements’ admissibility,
    and Ms. Young’s counsel actually objected to their admission.
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    rating circumstances to admit the hearsay, sustained the
    government’s objection and thus excluded the evidence.
    At trial, consistent with the government’s proffer, Mr.
    Jones testified that he knew Ms. Shaw was involved in the
    fraud scheme because Ms. Hubbard had told him so. He
    also testified that when he asked Ms. Hubbard if he
    could get some money wired to him, she said that she
    could not do it, but she would check with Ieanis to see
    if Ieanis could do it.
    Ms. Shaw and Ms. Young moved for a new trial. The
    district court treated the motions as made by all defend-
    ants and denied the motions. The defendants were sen-
    tenced to terms of imprisonment and ordered to pay
    restitution. At sentencing, Ms. Shaw again raised the
    issue of Hubbard’s recanted statements. Judge Castillo
    said with respect to Ms. Hubbard, “I think her credibility
    is zero at this point, as I’ve seen her take inconsistent
    positions before this Court during plea allocutions that
    occurred on the record under oath, and so I could not
    in good conscience admit any of her out-of-court state-
    ments, and so that was the basis for that ruling . . . .” Shaw,
    Jackson, and Young timely appealed their convictions.
    Their appeals were consolidated and are before us now.
    II. Discussion
    On appeal, the defendants raise three challenges to
    their convictions. They first contend that the district
    court erred in excluding hearsay evidence that Ms. Hub-
    bard lied to the government about Ms. Shaw’s role in the
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    Young wire transfer. They also challenge the sufficiency
    of the evidence of their guilt at trial. Finally, the defendants
    contend that in rebuttal the government improperly
    commented on their decisions not to testify in violation
    of their Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. Each of
    these challenges fails, as explained below, so we affirm.
    A. Exclusion of Ms. Hubbard’s Statements
    The defendants contend that the district court erred by
    excluding evidence that Ms. Hubbard recanted prior
    statements and lied to the government about Ms. Shaw’s
    involvement in the Young wire transfer. They assert that
    the excluded evidence was essential to their case and, as
    a result, its exclusion denied them a fair trial. This court
    generally reviews a district court’s decision regarding
    the admission of evidence for an abuse of discretion.
    United States v. Swan, 
    486 F.3d 260
    , 263 (7th Cir. 2007). As
    noted, however, only Ms. Shaw sought admission of Ms.
    Hubbard’s January 20th recanting statements; Mr. Jackson
    did not address the evidence and Ms. Young actually
    objected to their admission. This is a clear case of waiver
    by Ms. Young of any right to challenge the exclusion of
    the statements, see United States v. Clements, 
    522 F.3d 790
    ,
    793 (7th Cir. 2008) (“Waiver occurs when a criminal
    defendant intentionally relinquishes a known right.”), and
    a forfeiture by Mr. Jackson of any such right, see 
    id. (“Forfeiture occurs
    when a defendant negligently fails
    to assert a right in a timely fashion.”). Waiver ex-
    tinguishes any error, precluding appellate review; forfei-
    ture, however, allows for plain error review. 
    Id. A plain
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    error “must be clear or obvious and affect substantial
    rights in order to warrant reversing the district court’s
    decision” as to the admissibility of evidence. United
    States v. Schalk, 
    515 F.3d 768
    , 776 (7th Cir. 2008) (citation
    omitted). Thus, we review the exclusion of this evidence
    for an abuse of discretion as to Ms. Shaw and for plain
    error as to Mr. Jackson. And because of Ms. Young’s
    waiver, our review is precluded as to her.
    Prior to analyzing admissibility under Rule 804(b)(3), we
    observe that by offering Ms. Hubbard’s recanting state-
    ments, Ms. Shaw sought, in effect, to impeach Ms. Hub-
    bard on a collateral matter. “[C]ontradiction is a valid
    method of impeachment, [but] it is well-settled that one
    may not impeach by contradiction regarding collateral or
    irrelevant matters and that a party may not contradict
    for the sake of contradiction.” United States v. Bitterman,
    
    320 F.3d 723
    , 727 (7th Cir. 2003) (quoting United States v.
    Kozinski, 
    16 F.3d 795
    , 805-06 (7th Cir. 1994)). We note
    that this rule ordinarily is utilized when a witness is
    testifying, and Ms. Hubbard never testified as a witness.
    However, in our view, the rule is equally applicable
    where a party attempts to put a non-testifying person’s
    statement before the trier of fact solely to impeach that
    person. The jury was not asked to determine whether
    Ms. Shaw participated in the Young wire transfer: before
    trial the government had dismissed the Young wire
    transfer count against Ms. Shaw. Furthermore, Ms. Hub-
    bard’s earlier statements that Ms. Shaw participated in
    the Young wire transfer were not before the jury. Thus,
    in order for the jury to find that Ms. Hubbard lied about
    Ms. Shaw’s participation in the Young wire transfer, the
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    jury would also have to hear evidence that Ms. Hubbard
    had made statements implicating Ms. Shaw in that trans-
    action. Such evidence was irrelevant because Ms. Shaw
    was no longer charged with any offense arising out of the
    Young wire transfer. The only purpose of presenting
    evidence that Ms. Hubbard recanted prior statements
    implicating Ms. Shaw in the Young wire transfer was
    to prove that Ms. Hubbard was lying. But “[m]erely
    attempting to prove that a witness is lying is not a proper
    purpose of impeachment by contradiction.” 
    Kozinski, 16 F.3d at 807
    . And the district judge could have excluded
    this collateral and irrelevant evidence under Fed. R. Evid.
    403 because its tendency to mislead and confuse the jury
    outweighed its negligible probative value. All that said,
    we move on to consider whether the district court abused
    its discretion in excluding the evidence under Rule
    804(b)(3).
    Under Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(3), hearsay statements are
    not excluded by the hearsay rule if “(1) the declarant is
    unavailable as a witness, (2) the statement was against
    the declarant’s penal interest when made, and (3) cor-
    roborating circumstances clearly suggest that the state-
    ment is trustworthy.” United States v. Loggins, 
    486 F.3d 977
    , 981 (7th Cir. 2007), cert. denied, 
    128 S. Ct. 805
    (2007);
    see also United States v. Leahy, 
    464 F.3d 773
    , 797-98 (7th
    Cir. 2006), cert. denied sub nom. Duff v. United States, 
    128 S. Ct. 46
    (2007). The proponent of the hearsay statement
    bears the burden of demonstrating that each of these
    elements is satisfied. United States v. Robbins, 
    197 F.3d 829
    ,
    838 (7th Cir. 1999). Here, the district court found—and the
    government does not dispute—that Ms. Hubbard was
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    unavailable to testify because she would assert her Fifth
    Amendment right against self-incrimination. The govern-
    ment also concedes, and we accept, that Ms. Hubbard’s
    recantation of her prior statements implicating Ms. Shaw
    in the Young wire transfer were against Ms. Hubbard’s
    penal interest. Ms. Hubbard stood to and did, in fact,
    lose the benefits of a favorable plea agreement and ex-
    posed herself to additional criminal charges. Thus, the
    only issue is whether the defendants have shown that
    corroborating circumstances clearly suggest that Ms.
    Hubbard’s January 20 statements were trustworthy.2
    The district judge’s determination as to the trustworthi-
    ness of an out-of-court statement is entitled to con-
    siderable deference and should be upheld unless “clearly
    erroneous.” United States v. Amerson, 
    185 F.3d 676
    , 684
    (7th Cir. 1999); see also United States v. Hall, 
    165 F.3d 1095
    ,
    1112 (7th Cir. 1999). We have emphasized that Rule
    804(b)(3) “expressly requires the exclusion of out-of-court
    statements offered to exculpate the accused unless there
    are corroborating circumstances that ‘clearly indicate’ the
    trustworthiness of the statement.” 
    Hall, 165 F.3d at 1112
    (quoting United States v. Garcia, 
    897 F.2d 1413
    , 1420 (7th
    Cir. 1990)). The defendants submit that the statements
    in question were admissible based on consideration of
    2
    Ms. Hubbard’s recanting hearsay statements concern only
    the first wire transfer into Ms. Young’s account. The recantation
    has no relevance as to either Ms. Shaw or Mr. Jackson who
    were not charged under the count arising from that wire
    transfer.
    20                         Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399
    the factors from United States v. Nagib, 
    56 F.3d 798
    (7th
    Cir. 1995). In Nagib we identified three factors for district
    courts to consider when determining whether corroborat-
    ing circumstances exist for Rule 804(b)(3) purposes: (1) the
    relationship between the declarant and the exculpated
    party; (2) whether the statement was voluntary and given
    after Miranda warnings; and (3) whether there is any
    evidence the statement was made to curry favor with
    authorities. 
    Id. at 805
    (citing United States v. Garcia, 
    986 F.2d 1135
    , 1140 (7th Cir. 1993)).
    These factors might seem to provide some weight in
    favor of finding corroborating circumstances here. Ms.
    Hubbard and Ms. Shaw did not have a close personal
    relationship which one would expect for Ms. Hubbard
    to be motivated to falsely exculpate Ms. Shaw—though
    they were close enough to be involved in the fraudulent
    scheme together. Ms. Hubbard had been advised of her
    Miranda rights and made the statements in the presence
    of her counsel. It seems that her statements were
    voluntary; the government does not suggest otherwise.
    Nor is there anything in the record to suggest that Ms.
    Hubbard recanted her prior statements in order to curry
    favor with the government. To the contrary, Ms. Hubbard
    would have known that recanting her prior statements
    and admitting to having lied to the government in
    pretrial preparation, in her plea agreement, and even
    under oath at her plea hearing would result in the with-
    drawal of her plea agreement, at the least, and expose her
    to additional criminal charges.
    We have never said, however, that the considerations
    we identified in Nagib were the only factors to be
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    weighed in determining whether corroborating circum-
    stances exist. See Am. Auto. Accessories, Inc. v. Fishman, 
    175 F.3d 534
    , 541 (7th Cir. 1999) (stating that the factors to
    consider in determining whether corroborating circum-
    stances exist “include” the factors identified in Nagib);
    
    Garcia, 986 F.3d at 1140
    (indicating that the case law
    identifies some circumstances relevant to determining
    whether corroborating circumstances clearly indicate
    trustworthiness). Other circumstances in this case
    strongly detract from any corroboration raised by the
    Nagib factors. Ms. Hubbard’s statements that Ms. Shaw
    was not directly involved in the Young wire transfer
    clearly contradicted her several prior statements to the
    government, in her plea, and affirmed under oath, that
    Ms. Shaw was involved in the Young wire transfer. We
    have concluded that similar circumstances justified the
    conclusion that a statement lacked the requisite trust-
    worthiness for admission under Rule 804(b)(3). United
    States v. Groce, 
    999 F.2d 1189
    , 1190-91 (7th Cir. 1993)
    (upholding district court’s conclusion that out-of-court
    statement lacked the trustworthiness required under
    804(b)(3) where the declarant “gave several conflicting
    statements, most of which contradicted the statement
    [sought to be admitted]”).
    The defendants argue that Ms. Hubbard’s statements
    recanting her prior statements about the fraud scheme
    were corroborated by other evidence, but her prior state-
    ments implicating Ms. Shaw were not. We disagree.
    Specifically, the defendants point to the evidence that
    none of the co-defendants other than Ms. Hubbard
    knew Ms. Shaw. While the government did not have
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    evidence to suggest that Ms. Shaw would risk being
    charged with a crime solely to benefit persons she did not
    know, it did offer evidence that Ms. Shaw herself benefit-
    ted from her participation in the scheme. The evidence
    allowed a reasonable jury to find that Ms. Shaw received
    $80,000 for her role in the Jackson and Jones wire transfers.
    This, and other evidence, for example, the use of Ms.
    Shaw’s user identification number in fraudulent wire
    transfers, and the timing of the Jones wire transfer and
    Hulet wire transfers after Ms. Hubbard had left Wash-
    ington Mutual’s employ, corroborated Ms. Hubbard’s
    earlier statements as to Ms. Shaw’s involvement in the
    scheme to defraud.
    As Judge Castillo explained, because Ms. Hubbard made
    conflicting statements before him, “a lot of corroborating
    circumstances” would be required to admit her
    recanting hearsay statements. In effect, he was saying
    that her statements were so conflicting that her
    recanting hearsay statements were untrustworthy. The
    judge later reiterated that Ms. Hubbard’s credibility was
    “zero” and he “could not in good conscience admit any
    of her out-of-court statements.” The district judge did not
    err in finding that Ms. Hubbard’s recanting hearsay
    statements lacked trustworthiness. And we cannot dis-
    agree with his conclusion that a lot of corroboration
    would be needed to admit the recanting hearsay state-
    ments of an incredible and untrustworthy declarant.
    Ultimately, Judge Castillo did not find sufficient corrobo-
    rating circumstances to admit the statements. That was
    well within his discretion based on the entire record before
    him. And, as we have noted, Rule 804(b)(3) explicitly
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    requires a judge to exclude an out-of-court statement
    unless there are sufficient corroborating circumstances.
    
    Hall, 165 F.3d at 1112
    . We thus uphold the judge’s
    decision to exclude Ms. Hubbard’s recanting hearsay
    statements.
    The defendants suggest that the district court relied on
    its inherent powers to exclude Ms. Hubbard’s hearsay
    statements. They are incorrect. As 
    explained supra
    , we
    do not quarrel with the district court’s conclusion that
    there were insufficient corroborating circumstances to
    indicate the trustworthiness of Ms. Hubbard’s hearsay
    statements. Thus, Rule 804(b)(3) expressly required the
    exclusion of those statements. See 
    id. Accordingly, the
    basis for the district court’s ruling was Rule 804(b)(3), not
    its inherent powers.
    The defendants cite Taylor v. Illinois, 
    484 U.S. 400
    (1988),
    for the well-established proposition that it is the jury’s
    role to assess the credibility of witnesses. But it is the
    judge’s role to determine the admissibility of evidence.
    See Fed. R. Evid. 104(a) (“Preliminary questions con-
    cerning . . . the admissibility of evidence shall be deter-
    mined by the court.”); United States v. Collins, 
    966 F.2d 1214
    ,
    1223 (7th Cir. 1992) (“[I]t is the judge’s role to determine
    admissibility of evidence.”). A defendant’s right to offer
    testimony is not absolute. See United States v. Scheffer, 
    523 U.S. 303
    , 308 (1998) (holding military rule of evidence
    making polygraph evidence inadmissible in court martial
    proceedings did not violate the accused’s right to present
    a defense); 
    Taylor, 484 U.S. at 410
    (“The accused does not
    have an unfettered right to offer testimony that is . . .
    24                           Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399
    inadmissible under standard rules of evidence.”);
    Malinowski v. Smith, 
    509 F.3d 328
    , 338 (7th Cir. 2007)
    (concluding the district court did not violate petitioner’s
    right to present a defense by excluding victim’s school
    counselor’s testimony at trial); Tyson v. Trigg, 
    50 F.3d 436
    ,
    444 (7th Cir. 1995) (“A court does not violate the Con-
    stitution every time it sustains an objection to the testi-
    mony of one of the defense witnesses, or for that matter
    every time it excludes one of those witnesses altogether.”).
    Finally, the defendants’ reliance on United States v. Peak,
    
    856 F.2d 825
    (7th Cir. 1988), is misplaced. The hearsay
    exception at issue there was the state of mind exception
    under Rule 803(3). 
    Id. at 834.
    Rule 803(3) does not
    expressly require the exclusion of evidence absent cor-
    roborating circumstances clearly indicating the trust-
    worthiness of the statement. Rule 804(b)(3) does.
    The defendants argue that the exclusion of Ms. Hub-
    bard’s statements recanting her prior statements violated
    their Sixth Amendment right to confrontation. This
    court reviews de novo evidentiary rulings that affect a
    defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to confront wit-
    nesses. United States v. Gilbertson, 
    435 F.3d 790
    , 794 (7th
    Cir. 2006). The Confrontation Clause guarantees a defen-
    dant an opportunity for effective cross-examination.
    Delaware v. Fensterer, 
    474 U.S. 15
    , 20 (1985) (per curiam);
    United States v. Ghilarducci, 
    480 F.3d 542
    , 548 (7th Cir.), cert.
    denied sub nom. Richardson v. United States, 
    128 S. Ct. 159
    , and cert. denied, 
    128 S. Ct. 252
    (2007). There is no
    guarantee of cross-examination “to whatever extent[] the
    defense might wish.” Delaware v. Van Arsdall, 
    475 U.S. 673
    ,
    679 (1986) (quoting 
    Fensterer, 474 U.S. at 20
    ). A district
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    judge has wide discretion to impose reasonable limits on
    cross-examination, and may do so based on concerns
    about, inter alia, prejudice, confusion of the issues, or
    questioning that is only marginally relevant. Id.; United
    States v. Smith, 
    454 F.3d 707
    , 714 (7th Cir. 2006). The
    defendants had the opportunity to effectively cross-
    examine Agent Clifford, and did so. The district judge was
    well within his discretion in prohibiting Ms. Shaw from
    questioning Agent Clifford about Ms. Hubbard’s recanta-
    tion of her earlier statements about Ms. Shaw’s role in the
    Young wire transfer. Ms. Shaw was not charged with
    participating in the Young wire transfer. Thus, testimony
    that Ms. Hubbard originally implicated Ms. Shaw in that
    wire transfer and later said she had been untruthful about
    that would be only marginally, if at all, relevant. Such
    testimony also had a strong potential for confusing the
    issues because Ms. Shaw was not charged with the Young
    wire transfer and Ms. Hubbard’s credibility was not
    directly at issue.
    Furthermore, Ms. Hubbard did not recant all of her
    prior statements regarding Ms. Shaw’s role in the fraudu-
    lent scheme. Had the district court allowed evidence of
    Ms. Hubbard’s statements that were exculpatory as to
    Ms. Shaw with respect to the Young wire transfer, the
    other statements that Ms. Hubbard made to Agent
    Clifford implicating Ms. Shaw in the overall scheme
    may have been admissible on redirect. See United States v.
    Glover, 
    101 F.3d 1183
    , 1189 (7th Cir. 1996) (indicating
    that where a fragmentary statement is introduced, Fed. R.
    Evid. 106 allows an adverse party to require the admission
    of any other part of the statement to clarify or explain the
    26                        Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399
    part already received so as to avoid any misleading
    impression created by offering the statement outside of
    context). Additional statements made by Ms. Hubbard,
    including other things she said on January 20th, could
    have been offered to put the recanting statements in their
    proper context and to avoid misleading the jury into
    believing that Ms. Shaw had no involvement in the fraudu-
    lent scheme. During the same January 20th recantation
    exculpating Ms. Shaw in the Young wire transfer, Ms.
    Hubbard reconfirmed that she and Ms. Shaw had had
    several discussions about wiring money into other’s
    accounts and Ms. Shaw knew that Ms. Hubbard wired
    money into Ms. Young’s account. Ms. Hubbard further
    stated that after seeing that the wire transfer was suc-
    cessful and knowing how much money Ms. Young and
    Ms. Hubbard received, Ms. Shaw said she wanted to get
    some money through a wire transfer. Ms. Hubbard made
    several very damaging statements about Ms. Young’s
    involvement in the scheme in the January 20th statement
    as well. The admission of the remainder of Ms. Hubbard’s
    statements to Agent Clifford may have been highly preju-
    dicial to Ms. Young and would have raised concerns
    about Ms. Young’s confrontation rights. See Crawford v.
    Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 54, 59 (2004) (defendant’s right
    to confrontation violated by admission of testimonial
    statements if declarant was unavailable to testify at trial
    and defendant did not have a prior opportunity to
    cross-examine the declarant); United States v. James, 
    487 F.3d 518
    , 525 (7th Cir. 2007) (citing Crawford).
    The defendants assert that it was inconsistent for the
    district court to allow Ms. Hubbard’s out-of-court state-
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    ments to come in through Mr. Jones’s testimony but to
    preclude cross-examination of Agent Clifford about Ms.
    Hubbard’s recantation of her prior statements about Ms.
    Shaw. The Confrontation Clause is not violated by the
    admission of co-conspirator statements made in further-
    ance of the conspiracy; such statements are not hearsay
    under Fed. R. Evid. 801(d)(2)(E) and not “testimonial.”
    United States v. Hargrove, 
    508 F.3d 445
    , 448-49 (7th Cir.
    2007); United States v. Jenkins, 
    419 F.3d 614
    , 618 (7th Cir.
    2005). The government’s evidence supported the con-
    clusion that Ms. Hubbard and the defendants on trial were
    involved in a scheme to defraud Washington Mutual. Ms.
    Hubbard’s statements to Mr. Jones about Ms. Shaw’s
    role in the scheme were statements of a co-conspirator
    made during the course of and in the furtherance of a
    conspiracy. Thus, those statements were admissible
    under Rule 801(d)(2)(E). Ms. Hubbard’s recanting state-
    ments were not made during the course of or in further-
    ance of the conspiracy and thus do not fall within
    Rule 801(d)(2)(E). Moreover, a critical difference exists
    between Rule 801(d)(2)(E) and Rule 804(b)(3). The
    former, unlike the latter, does not expressly require
    corroborating circumstances indicating a statement’s
    trustworthiness for admissibility. Therefore, the district
    court did not make inconsistent rulings on the admissibil-
    ity of Ms. Hubbard’s various out-of-court statements.3
    Further, Ms Hubbard’s statements testified to by Mr. Jones
    3
    The defendants suggest that the district court was biased
    against them and made rulings simply based on whether the
    proponent was the government or a defendant. The record
    does not support this claim.
    28                         Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399
    were the only co-conspirator statements introduced at
    trial and were a relatively small piece of evidence at trial.
    The admission of Ms. Hubbard’s statements through
    Mr. Jones’s testimony did not violate the Confrontation
    Clause.
    The district court was well within its discretion to
    limit the cross-examination of Agent Clifford by preclud-
    ing inquiry into Ms. Hubbard’s statements recanting her
    earlier statements about Ms. Shaw’s role in the Young
    wire transfer. The decision to exclude this evidence did
    not violate the defendants’ rights under the Confrontation
    Clause. We find no error, plain or otherwise, in the dis-
    trict court’s decision to exclude the evidence.
    Even if the district court erred in excluding such evi-
    dence, we will not reverse if the error was harmless.
    
    Smith, 454 F.3d at 715
    . The question is whether the er-
    roneous exclusion of evidence “had a substantial
    influence over the jury and the result reached was incon-
    sistent with substantial justice.” United States v. Savage,
    
    505 F.3d 754
    , 762 (7th Cir. 2007) (quoting United States
    v. Seals, 
    419 F.3d 600
    , 607 (7th Cir. 2005)). In deter-
    mining whether an error was harmless, we consider
    factors such as the importance of the witness’s testimony
    in the government’s case, whether the testimony was
    cumulative, the presence or absence of corroborating or
    contradicting evidence, and the overall strength of the
    government’s case. 
    Smith, 454 F.3d at 715
    .
    According to the defendants, Ms. Hubbard was essen-
    tial to the government’s case. They contend that the gov-
    ernment’s vehement argument to exclude her statements
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    strongly suggests it knew the statements would undermine
    its case. It is difficult to discern how Ms. Hubbard was
    essential to the government’s case when she never even
    testified. It seems likely that the government strenuously
    opposed introduction of evidence of her January 20
    statements because it believed then, as it argues now,
    that the statements were irrelevant. It is also difficult to
    see how the evidence of Ms. Hubbard’s statements was
    essential to the defendants’ case when the jury was not
    charged with deciding whether Ms. Shaw—the only co-
    defendant about whom Ms. Hubbard recanted any state-
    ment—was guilty with respect to the Young wire
    transfer—the only wire transfer to which the statements
    at issue pertained. The excluded statements would not
    have been the only—or even primary—evidence as to the
    defendants’ knowledge or intent.
    Here, the government’s case against Ms. Shaw was
    overwhelming.4 The government offered evidence that Ms.
    Shaw’s user identification number was used to reverse
    several wire transfers in Pronto, including the Jones wire
    transfer, the Hulet wire transfers, and the five wires
    printed in her husband’s name. Furthermore, the evidence
    also included Ms. Hubbard’s two checks for $10,000
    payable to Ms. Shaw shortly after the Jackson wire
    transfer and the $60,000 check from Mr. Jones, who testi-
    fied he had never met Ms. Shaw. The evidence of Ms.
    Hubbard’s statements about Ms. Shaw’s involvement in
    4
    As discussed below, see infra II.B, the evidence against the
    other defendants was overwhelming as well.
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    the scheme introduced through Mr. Jones’s testimony was
    helpful, but not necessary to the government’s case. This
    circumstantial evidence corroborated Ms. Hubbard’s
    statements about the scheme, particularly Ms. Shaw’s
    direct participation in it. Therefore, the exclusion of Ms.
    Hubbard’s January 20 statements recanting her prior
    statements of Ms. Shaw’s involvement in the Young wire
    transfer, even if erroneous, was harmless.
    B. Sufficiency of the Evidence
    The defendants contend that the evidence at trial was
    insufficient to prove their knowledge and intent to de-
    fraud. Their burden in doing so is heavy. United States v.
    Useni, 
    516 F.3d 634
    , 646 (7th Cir. 2008). When the suffi-
    ciency of the evidence is challenged, we review the evi-
    dence and all reasonable inferences from it in the light
    most favorable to the verdict. 
    Id. We “will
    reverse only
    if no rational trier of fact could find the defendants
    guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.” United States v. DeSilva,
    
    505 F.3d 711
    , 715 (7th Cir. 2007); see also 
    Useni, 516 F.3d at 646
    .
    A conviction for bank fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1344
    requires proof of, inter alia, the defendant’s knowing
    participation in a scheme to defraud a bank, see United
    States v. Yoon, 
    128 F.3d 515
    , 523 (7th Cir. 1997); United
    States v. Ross, 
    502 F.3d 521
    , 530-31 (6th Cir. 2007), cert.
    denied, 
    128 S. Ct. 1723
    (2008), and the defendant’s intent
    to defraud the bank, United States v. Lamarre, 
    248 F.3d 642
    ,
    649 (7th Cir. 2001). “Intent to defraud” means that the
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    defendant “acted willfully and with specific intent to
    deceive or cheat, usually for financial gain for one’s self
    or the causing of financial loss to another.” Id.; see also
    United States v. Sloan, 
    492 F.3d 884
    , 891 (7th Cir. 2007). The
    intent to defraud may be proven by circumstantial evi-
    dence and inferences drawn from the scheme itself.
    
    Lamarre, 248 F.3d at 649
    . Falsifying information on
    loan documents is circumstantial evidence of intent to
    defraud. 
    Id. The government
    offered some direct evidence of the
    defendants’ knowledge of the scheme and intent to de-
    fraud the bank, that is, it produced Mr. Jones’s testimony
    that Ms. Hubbard had identified “Ieanis” as an insider
    involved in the scheme. And we agree with the
    district court that the circumstantial evidence was over-
    whelming. The evidence against Ms. Young established
    that she was the sister of Ms. Hubbard, one of the
    insiders at Washington Mutual. Ms. Young’s checking
    account had very low or negative balances in late 2002
    and early 2003. But on January 28, $194,471.70 was trans-
    ferred from Washington Mutual, the bank where her
    sister worked, into Ms. Young’s checking account in
    Texas, even though she was not a Washington Mutual
    mortgage loan customer. The wire transfer sheet used to
    request the transfer contained Ms. Young’s name, the
    name of her bank, Bank One, and her bank account num-
    ber. The jury reasonably could infer that Ms. Young’s
    personal information was on the wire transfer sheet
    because she had given that information to Ms. Hubbard.
    Phone records support the inference that Ms. Young and
    32                         Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399
    Ms. Hubbard discussed the scheme to defraud Washington
    Mutual and that Ms. Young gave her account informa-
    tion to Ms. Hubbard in the days leading up to the wire
    transfer. Their telephone conversations increased signifi-
    cantly during the ten days surrounding the wire transfer.
    Ms. Young’s actions following the inexplicable transfer
    of $194,471.70 into her account provided additional
    circumstantial evidence of her knowledge and intent. Ms.
    Young never attempted to determine why she received
    such a large sum of money from Washington Mutual—the
    bank where her sister worked. Nor did she attempt to
    notify her bank or Washington Mutual that a mistake
    apparently had been made involving her account. Instead,
    the day after the wire transfer, as her bank records show,
    Ms. Young opened a new savings account and transferred
    $94,243.58 into that new account. She also obtained
    a cashier’s check made payable to Ms. Hubbard for
    $97,000—a little more than half of the money that had been
    transferred into her account the day before. It was reason-
    able for the jury to infer that this was a kickback to Ms.
    Hubbard for her role in the fraudulent wire transfer. The
    bank records also show that the following day, $45,207.12
    was withdrawn from Ms. Young’s new savings account.
    Ms. Young argues that the government had little evi-
    dence of her activities after the wire transfer on January 28.
    But the government was not required to prove what
    Ms. Young did with the money she received in order to
    prove her guilty of bank fraud. See 18 U.S.C. § 1344; United
    States v. Abboud, 
    438 F.3d 554
    , 590 (6th Cir. 2006); United
    States v. Dadi, 
    235 F.3d 945
    , 950 (5th Cir. 2000); see also
    Federal Criminal Jury Instructions of the Seventh Circuit 266
    Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399                         33
    (1999). The fact that Ms. Young did not go on a spending
    spree or purchase big ticket items does not exculpate her.
    Nor does it negate the reasonable inference of her knowl-
    edge of the scheme and intent to defraud the bank. Quite
    possibly, Ms. Young restrained her spending so as not
    to draw attention to her new-found riches.
    With respect to Ms. Shaw, the evidence was more than
    sufficient to allow a reasonable jury to conclude that she
    had the requisite knowledge and intent to defraud.
    The evidence supported a reasonable inference that Ms.
    Shaw was an insider at Washington Mutual and a key
    player in the fraudulent scheme. As an opener, her job
    responsibilities would not have included accessing wire
    transfers in Pronto. But nonetheless, the evidence raises
    a reasonable inference that she accessed wire trans-
    fers—repeatedly. Every Washington Mutual employee
    who reversed a wire transfer in Pronto left a digital
    fingerprint. The investigation revealed that Ms. Shaw’s
    user identification number was used to reverse the
    March 28 wire to Mr. Jackson, which preceded the real
    wire transfer of April 1; the April 29 wire transfer to
    Mr. Jones and all the Hulet wires, which occurred after
    Ms. Hubbard had left Washington Mutual’s employ;
    and lastly, the five wires printed in Ms. Shaw’s husband’s
    name. While it is possible that another Washington
    Mutual employee used Ms. Shaw’s identification number
    to reverse the wire transfers, the jury properly could infer
    that it was Ms. Shaw using her own identification num-
    ber. The timing of the Jones wire transfer and all of the
    Hulet wires after Ms. Hubbard had left the bank meant
    that Ms. Hubbard was no longer in a position to reverse
    34                        Nos. 06-3848, 06-4124, & 06-4399
    these wire transfers, yet Ms. Shaw remained at the bank
    where she could. In addition, the Jones wire transfer
    was effected in a way similar to that of the other wire
    transfers in the scheme, and the authorizing signatures
    on the Jones wire transfer were identical to those on the
    worksheet for the Hulet wire transfer. The jury could
    reasonably infer Ms. Shaw’s intent to defraud from her
    creation of fraudulent wire transfers and wire reversals.
    See 
    Lamarre, 248 F.3d at 649
    .
    And there was more. Shortly after the Jackson wire
    transfer, Ms. Shaw received two personal checks for
    $10,000 from Ms. Hubbard who had just received a per-
    sonal check from Mr. Jackson for $125,000. The jury could
    reasonably infer these $10,000 checks were payment for
    Ms. Shaw’s role in the Jackson wire transfer. As the
    government argues, it is highly unusual for one co-
    worker to give another co-worker $20,000, for no appar-
    ent reason. The evidence was that Ms. Shaw actually
    received these suspicious checks—they were deposited
    into her own bank account. Moreover, the evidence
    established that after the Jones wire transfer, Mr. Jones
    obtained a cashier’s check payable to Ms. Shaw, whom
    he had never met, in the amount of $60,000. Mr. Jones
    testified that Ms. Hubbard had instructed him to divide
    the proceeds of the wire transfer three ways and to obtain
    two cashier’s checks, one for her and one for Ms. Shaw.
    And the evidence raised an inference that someone other
    than Ms. Hubbard caused the Jones wire transfer; Ms.
    Hubbard had left Washington Mutual the day before.
    Thus, the jury reasonably could infer that the $60,000
    cashier’s check was payment for Ms. Shaw’s knowing
    and intentional role in the Jones wire transfer.
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    Yet Ms. Shaw argues that there was no evidence as to
    what she was told about the checks she received from
    Mr. Jones and Ms. Hubbard. Like Ms. Young, Ms. Shaw
    did not spend all of the money she obtained immediately.
    But as stated, quick spending of ill-gotten gains is not an
    element of bank fraud. See 
    Abboud, 438 F.3d at 590
    ;
    
    Dadi, 235 F.3d at 950
    . Anyway there was evidence that Ms.
    Shaw spent a good deal of the money in a short period
    of time on frills such as expensive jewelry, a honeymoon
    to a resort in Jamaica, and new furniture. The fact that
    she did not spend all of the money does not negate the
    reasonableness of the inference of her knowledge and
    intent to defraud. The jury could have inferred that Ms.
    Shaw did not spend more of the money more quickly
    in order to avoid calling too much attention to her
    sudden windfall.
    Finally, Mr. Jackson’s close friendship with Ms. Hubbard
    was not the only evidence regarding his knowledge and
    intent. Mr. Jackson was not a Washington Mutual cus-
    tomer, yet he received a wire transfer of $250,641.40 into
    his newly opened bank account. This account had carried
    a very low and even negative balance right before the
    transfer. There was no evidence that Mr. Jackson ever
    questioned the wire transfer or notified the bank that an
    error had been made. Importantly, the wire transfer
    worksheet contained Mr. Jackson’s name, his bank name,
    and his personal checking account number. As with Ms.
    Young, the jury could draw a reasonable conclusion
    from this evidence that Mr. Jackson had given this infor-
    mation to Ms. Hubbard. Also as with Ms. Young, telephone
    records showed a marked increase in the number and
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    duration of telephone calls between Ms. Hubbard and
    Mr. Jackson in the ten days surrounding the wire transfer.
    From this evidence, the jury could reasonably infer that
    they were planning and discussing the fraudulent wire
    transfer to Mr. Jones’s account. The evidence of what
    Mr. Jackson did with the money wired to his account
    also raises an inference of knowledge and intent. He
    quickly wrote a personal check for $125,000 payable to
    Ms. Hubbard. The jury could infer that this was
    Ms. Hubbard’s kickback for her role in the wire transfer.
    Mr. Jackson spent the money he fraudulently obtained
    almost as soon as it hit his account, for cash, furniture,
    vehicles, and gifts to family and friends. His bank account
    was back to a near $0 balance in less than three months.
    Mr. Jackson’s extraordinary spending spree raises a
    reasonable inference of his knowing participation in the
    scheme and intent to defraud.5
    In sum, the documentary evidence of the defendants’
    knowing participation in the scheme to defraud and
    intent to defraud Washington Mutual as corroborated
    by Mr. Jones’s testimony as to how the scheme worked
    while he was involved was overwhelming. Therefore, the
    defendants’ challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence
    fails.
    5
    As noted, a spending spree is not a required element of
    bank fraud. Nonetheless, a spending spree may typically
    follow such fraudulent behavior.
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    C. Prosecutor’s Remarks in Rebuttal
    The defendants argue that during closing argument
    the government improperly commented on their deci-
    sions not to testify. The prosecutor may comment on the
    weakness of the defense case in closing arguments. United
    States v. Stark, 
    507 F.3d 512
    , 519 (7th Cir. 2007). But the
    prosecutor may not make direct or indirect comments
    that invite the jury to draw an adverse inference from a
    defendant’s decision not to testify. Griffin v. California, 
    380 U.S. 609
    , 614 (1965); 
    Stark, 507 F.3d at 519
    . Improper
    indirect comments occur “only if (1) the prosecutor mani-
    festly intended to refer to the defendant’s silence or (2) a
    jury would naturally and necessarily take the remark for
    a comment on the defendant’s silence.” United States v.
    Mietus, 
    237 F.3d 866
    , 871 (7th Cir. 2001).
    Where, as here, the defendants failed to object to the
    allegedly improper comment when made, this court
    reviews the comments for plain error. 
    DeSilva, 505 F.3d at 717
    . Under this standard, the defendants have the
    burden of demonstrating that the remark was improper,
    that it denied them a fair trial, and that the outcome
    would have been different absent the remark. 
    Id. at 718-19.
    If the remark is improper, the court determines whether
    the comment, considered in context of the record as a
    whole, denied the defendants a fair trial. 
    Id. at 719.
    In so
    doing, we consider “(1) the nature and seriousness of the
    statement; (2) whether the statement was invited by the
    conduct of defense counsel; (3) whether the district court
    sufficiently instructed the jury to disregard such state-
    ment; (4) whether the defense could counter the improper
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    statement through rebuttal; and (5) whether the weight
    of the evidence was against the defendant.” 
    Id. The defendants
    have not shown that the prosecutor’s
    single comment in rebuttal that he was not sure he
    heard any explanation “from her” about where the $60,000
    came from was improper. We agree that with the gov-
    ernment that its attorney, Mr. Hotaling, did not refer to
    Ms. Shaw’s silence but rather to the lack of explanation
    by her counsel, Ms. Winslow. The context of the rebuttal
    argument surrounding the remark supports this view. The
    prosecutor prefaced his rebuttal by stating that he was
    going “to talk a little bit about all of the different things
    that [the jurors] have heard from all of the different
    attorneys during the course of the trial—during the
    course of closing arguments. So I will just take it in the
    order that you heard it.”
    In her closing argument Ms. Winslow talked about the
    two wire transfers with which Ms. Shaw was alleged
    to have been involved, the typical patterns of money
    flow into and out of accounts in a fraudulent scheme,
    and the absence of such a pattern with Ms. Shaw’s account.
    She addressed Ms. Shaw’s alleged “spending spree,” the
    computers, wire transfers and reversals, and electronic
    fingerprints. Ms. Winslow specifically discussed the two
    $10,000 checks from Ms. Hubbard to Ms. Shaw that the
    government had attempted to show were a kickback for
    the Jackson wire transfer. This discussion fills one page
    of the trial transcript. Then Ms. Winslow moved on to the
    $60,000 check, saying: “There’s a lot to be said about this
    check and Bruce Jones . . . .” But while Ms. Winslow later
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    talked about Mr. Jones, she did not say much about the
    $60,000 check. The prosecutor merely pointed this out. We
    cannot conclude that the prosecutor was referring to the
    lack of evidence presented by Ms. Shaw herself (and
    inferentially the other defendants).
    But even if the prosecutor’s remark is viewed as im-
    proper, the defendants must show that it denied them
    a fair trial and that the outcome would have been different
    but for the remark. This burden proves insurmountable
    for them. The remark was not inflammatory. It was not a
    direct reference to the defendants’ failure to testify. The
    remark could be understood as a response to Ms. Wins-
    low’s statement in closing that “there was a lot to be said
    about” the $60,000 check and Mr. Jones. Ms. Winslow
    really did not say much about why Mr. Jones gave Ms.
    Shaw the check. Her comments discussed what the evi-
    dence showed or did not show about what happened
    after Ms. Shaw received the money. No objection was
    made and no curative instruction was given at the time.
    Since the remark was made in rebuttal argument, the
    defendants had no opportunity to counter it. But this
    single remark was made in passing and certainly was not
    the emphasis of the government’s arguments.
    Furthermore, the district court instructed the jury—both
    at the beginning and at the end of trial—that the govern-
    ment has the burden of proving the defendants’ guilt
    beyond a reasonable doubt and that this burden remains
    with the government throughout the case. The court
    further instructed that the defendants are never required
    to prove their innocence or to produce any evidence at
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    all. The court specifically instructed: “A defendant has an
    absolute right not to testify. The fact that the defendants
    did not testify should not be considered by you in any
    way in arriving at your verdict.” Generally we may
    presume that the jury followed the court’s instructions.
    United States v. Warner, 
    498 F.3d 666
    , 683 (7th Cir. 2007),
    reh’g and suggestion for reh’g en banc denied, 
    506 F.3d 517
    (7th
    Cir. 2007); United States v. Puckett, 
    405 F.3d 589
    , 599 (7th
    Cir. 2005). Nothing in this record suggests that the jury
    was unable, or chose not, to follow these instructions.
    And, significantly, as 
    explained supra
    , the evidence
    against all defendants was overwhelming. Thus, even if
    the prosecutor improperly commented on Ms. Shaw’s
    right to remain silent, when viewed in context of the
    record as a whole, we cannot say that the remark deprived
    the defendants of a fair trial or that the outcome would
    have been different absent the remark.
    III. Conclusion
    For the foregoing reasons, we A FFIRM the defendants’
    convictions.
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