United States v. Jonathan Eymann ( 2020 )


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  •                                In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    ____________________
    Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff‐Appellee,
    v.
    JONATHAN EYMANN and GARY LYONS,
    Defendants‐Appellants.
    ____________________
    Appeals from the United States District Court for the
    Central District of Illinois.
    No. 3:15‐cr‐30021 — Sue E. Myerscough, Judge.
    ____________________
    ARGUED JANUARY 22, 2020 — DECIDED JUNE 12, 2020
    ____________________
    Before WOOD, Chief Judge, and SYKES and HAMILTON, Cir‐
    cuit Judges.
    WOOD, Chief Judge. Jonathan Eymann and his uncle, Gary
    Lyons, were flying from California to Pennsylvania when they
    stopped around midnight at a small public airport in Litch‐
    field, Illinois. Suspecting drug trafficking, law enforcement
    officers followed the pair to a nearby hotel and confronted
    them in the hotel’s parking lot. The encounter ended in their
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    arrests and the discovery of 65 pounds of marijuana in their
    airplane.
    Asserting that the officers had violated the Fourth and
    Fifth Amendments in a number of ways, Eymann and Lyons
    filed a joint motion to suppress the evidence against them. Af‐
    ter the district court denied the motion, Eymann conditionally
    pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute marijuana, reserv‐
    ing the right to appeal the district court’s ruling on their sup‐
    pression motion. Lyons proceeded to trial, where a jury con‐
    victed him of conspiracy to distribute marijuana and aiding
    and abetting the possession of marijuana with the intent to
    distribute. Both men now appeal the district court’s denial of
    their motion to suppress. Finding no reason to set aside either
    the district court’s factual findings or its ultimate conclusion,
    we affirm.
    I
    On July 20, 2013, Department of Homeland Security
    (“DHS”) Special Agent Glen Harrington received a call and
    an email from Agent Jeff Spencer of DHS’s Air and Marine
    Operations Center (“AMOC”) about an airplane that would
    be landing that night at the Litchfield Municipal Airport.
    Spencer identified the plane as a single‐engine Cessna owned
    by Elaine Pate and noted that the pilot would be Pate’s hus‐
    band, Lyons. AMOC had been monitoring the Cessna for
    months. Although it knew nothing inculpatory about the spe‐
    cific plane, owner, and pilot, AMOC found the airplane’s
    movement patterns and quick‐turn trips suspicious.
    Spencer’s email, which included information collected by
    AMOC research specialist Robert Keller, identified the air‐
    plane by its tail number. The email also indicated that on the
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    weekend of May 24, 2013, an unknown pilot flew the airplane
    from California to Pennsylvania. The plane stayed in Pennsyl‐
    vania for only about fifteen hours before returning to Califor‐
    nia. Then, on the weekend of June 21, 2013, it again flew from
    California to Pennsylvania and back; this time it remained in
    Pennsylvania for only five hours. AMOC identified Lyons as
    the pilot during the second trip.
    The email noted additional circumstances that Keller
    found suspicious. In January 2013, the Cessna flew to Wat‐
    sonville and Cloverdale, California, towns close to a known
    marijuana smuggling hub. During the May and June 2013
    trips, the plane had landed at small, rural airports late at night
    to refuel when the airports were otherwise closed. Keller also
    found it odd that the plane apparently had flown through a
    serious storm during one of its cross‐country trips. Finally, he
    reported that Lyons had been in some economic trouble and
    had just emerged from bankruptcy in 2012.
    After evaluating AMOC’s information, Harrington con‐
    cluded that the pilot might be using the plane to smuggle
    drugs. This was consistent with his experience: every time in
    the past when Harrington had pursued a lead based on infor‐
    mation provided by AMOC, it led to the seizure of illicit
    drugs. Harrington relayed Spencer’s tip to his supervisor,
    Resident Agent‐in‐Charge Michael Mitchell. Harrington then
    called Lieutenant Lee Jarman of the Litchfield Police Depart‐
    ment to coordinate assistance. Harrington and Jarman ar‐
    ranged to have a trained drug‐detection dog available for use
    that night. They believed that the Cessna would land, refuel,
    and take off again, and Harrington wanted to get a sniff of the
    plane while it was on the ground. Jarman contacted the
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    department’s dog handler, Officer Shane Grammer, and in‐
    structed him to be available.
    Harrington arrived in Litchfield at around 11:00 p.m. to
    meet with his team at the police department. After a short
    briefing, five of them (Mitchell, Harrington, Jarman, former
    Chief B.J. Wilkinson, and Officer Thomas Melchert) headed to
    the airport. The officers watched the area for about an hour;
    during which no airplane landed, there were no vehicles en‐
    tering or leaving the airport, and the lights were off inside the
    airport’s main building.
    Lyons landed the Cessna at around 12:05 a.m. on July 21,
    2013. It taxied behind the airport’s main building and then
    parked in an open area. It did not enter a hangar and was not
    tethered to the ground. Harrington watched as Eymann and
    Lyons removed cargo from the airplane and entered the
    building. After a few minutes, the pair left the building and
    loaded cargo into the airport’s courtesy car. (Harrington tes‐
    tified that he thought their cargo included a box, which he
    found suspicious, but no box was found in the later search.
    We thus disregard the alleged box.) The courtesy car operates
    on an honor system. Users simply provide a driver’s license
    number and a signature on a form next to the car keys in the
    airport building’s lobby. Lyons signed out the keys, and the
    duo left the airport in the courtesy car at around 12:27 a.m.
    As the two men drove off, Harrington was concerned that
    they could be delivering contraband. He saw that possibility
    as a “more immediate threat” than the parked airplane at the
    airport. The officers therefore decided to follow the courtesy
    car. After a short drive, they saw it pull into a Quality Inn
    parking lot. Lyons, who was driving, parked in the last
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    available space. The two then got out of the car and began
    walking to the hotel; as they did so, they noticed the officers.
    Mitchell pulled into the lot as Lyons and Eymann were
    parking. He positioned his truck behind the courtesy car, and
    Harrington parked nearby. Wilkinson placed his vehicle in
    front of the courtesy car, thereby effectively blocking the cour‐
    tesy car from moving in any direction. At 12:32 a.m. Mitchell
    activated his lights and got out of his truck.
    Mitchell walked over to Lyons, showed his credentials,
    identified himself as a law enforcement officer, and asked to
    speak with him. Lyons cooperated while Mitchell asked him
    basic questions such as where he was traveling to and from
    and the nature of his trip. Lyons replied that he was flying
    from California to Pennsylvania for work. The exchange was
    conversational, and Mitchell did not raise his voice.
    While Mitchell was speaking with Lyons, Harrington ap‐
    proached and asked for Lyons’s identification. After receiving
    it, he approached Eymann with the same request. Harrington
    took both identification cards back to his vehicle to check for
    outstanding warrants.
    Meanwhile, as Mitchell continued to speak with Lyons,
    Lyons suddenly became flush and fainted, collapsing into
    Mitchell. The officers placed him in the front passenger seat
    of Wilkinson’s vehicle with the door open and the air condi‐
    tioning on. They did not question him any further at that
    point about anything other than his medical condition.
    While others saw to Lyons, Harrington discovered that
    neither man had an active warrant. Harrington then ap‐
    proached Eymann and asked him some questions about Ly‐
    ons’s health. He also asked Eymann if he had brought any
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    marijuana from California. Eymann admitted that he had a
    small, personal‐use, amount of marijuana in the car.
    Eymann’s admission prompted an escalation in the en‐
    counter. Jarman ordered Grammer and his drug‐dog Arie to
    the scene at 12:33 a.m.; they arrived around 12:54 a.m. Gram‐
    mer and Arie got to work right away, and shortly thereafter
    Arie positively alerted at the front passenger door seam.
    Grammer rewarded Arie with a towel to chew on, while the
    officers opened the car, removed the items, and spaced them
    out on the ground. (There was some dispute in the district
    court about the sequence of events: did Arie’s alert come first
    and then the search of the car, or vice versa? Eymann and Ly‐
    ons have not pursued this on appeal, and so we do not need
    to resolve the point.) Arie alerted on a piece of luggage, which
    the officers then searched. Once again, Arie was rewarded.
    The officers found a small amount of marijuana (about 2.5
    grams) within the luggage.
    Around the time Arie was sniffing around the courtesy
    car, Harrington frisked Lyons. During the frisk, Harrington
    felt what he thought was a stack of money in Lyons’s front
    cargo pocket. Harrington asked Lyons what was in his pocket,
    and Lyons replied that he had $1,600 in an envelope for fuel
    and expenses; the envelope actually contained $2,600. Arie
    later sniffed the envelope and alerted.
    After the officers found the marijuana, they handcuffed
    and arrested both Eymann and Lyons. They then transported
    the pair back to the airport, which they entered through the
    airport gate with the permission and assistance of airport
    agents. The Cessna was still the only airplane on the tarmac,
    and the airport still looked empty.
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    Grammer walked Arie around the Cessna for another
    sniff, and Arie provided another positive alert, followed as be‐
    fore by a reward. The officers opened the plane using a key
    they had seized from Lyons, and they immediately smelled
    marijuana. This time the quantity was considerable. The offic‐
    ers placed several bags from inside the plane on the tarmac
    and had Arie check each one. He alerted on three of them and
    (following a now‐familiar pattern) received a reward. The of‐
    ficers searched the bags and found a total of 65 pounds
    (roughly 29.5 kilograms) of marijuana. In a later search of the
    airplane, they also found a firearm.
    In July 2013, the Montgomery County State’s Attorney
    charged Eymann and Lyons with possession of over 500
    grams of marijuana. They filed a motion to suppress evidence,
    arguing that Arie was not properly certified through the State
    of Illinois at the time of the sniffs. Although Arie had com‐
    pleted the necessary training to be certified by the state, his
    certification had lapsed weeks before as a result of an admin‐
    istrative error. After a hearing, the state court determined
    that, because of Arie’s lapse in certification, Arie’s alerts did
    not provide probable cause. It granted the defendants’ mo‐
    tion, and the state later dismissed the charges.
    That proved to be just the end of the beginning, not the
    beginning of the end, of Eymann and Lyons’s troubles. On
    May 6, 2015, a federal grand jury returned an indictment
    charging both of them with conspiracy to distribute mariju‐
    ana, in violation of 21 U.S.C. §§ 846, 841(a)(1) and (b)(1)(D),
    and aiding and abetting the possession of marijuana with the
    intent to distribute, in violation of 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1),
    (b)(1)(D), and 18 U.S.C. § 2. Lyons was also charged with
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    carrying a firearm during and in relation to a drug trafficking
    crime, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(1)(A)(i).
    In October 2015, Lyons and Eymann filed a joint motion to
    suppress evidence and a supporting memorandum; they al‐
    leged multiple constitutional violations during their encoun‐
    ter with law enforcement. The district court held a hearing on
    the motion and, in October 2016, denied it. Two years later,
    Eymann entered a conditional plea of guilty to conspiracy to
    distribute marijuana, reserving the right to appeal the district
    court’s suppression decision. Lyons proceeded to trial, and a
    jury convicted him of conspiracy to distribute marijuana and
    aiding and abetting the possession of marijuana with the in‐
    tent to distribute; it acquitted him of the gun charge. The dis‐
    trict court sentenced Eymann to 10 months’ imprisonment
    and Lyons to concurrent sentences of 27 months on each
    count.
    II
    We review a district court’s denial of a motion to suppress
    under a dual standard of review: we apply the clear error
    standard to its factual determinations, with special deference
    to its credibility determinations, United States v. Villalpando,
    
    588 F.3d 1124
    , 1127 (7th Cir. 2009); but we take a de novo ap‐
    proach to its conclusions of law.
    Id. A Eymann
    and Lyons first contend that all the evidence the
    police collected must be suppressed because it all flowed from
    the encounter in the Quality Inn parking lot, and that encoun‐
    ter was, at a minimum, an impermissible Terry stop that was
    not supported by reasonable suspicion. They also argue that
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    even if the officers had reasonable suspicion to do something,
    their actions exceeded the scope of a Terry stop.
    The Fourth Amendment protects persons from “unreason‐
    able searches and seizures.” U.S. Const. amend. IV. Generally,
    seizures are “reasonable” only when they are based on prob‐
    able cause. Dunaway v. New York, 
    442 U.S. 200
    , 213 (1979). The
    Supreme Court recognized an exception to the probable‐
    cause rule in Terry v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    (1968). Under Terry, po‐
    lice officers may briefly detain a person for investigatory pur‐
    poses based on the less exacting standard of reasonable sus‐
    picion that criminal activity is 
    afoot. 392 U.S. at 21
    –22.
    Terry does not, however, lift all restrictions on police ac‐
    tion. Reasonable suspicion exists only when an officer can
    point to “specific and articulable facts which, taken together
    with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant
    that intrusion.”
    Id. at 21.
    In making reasonable‐suspicion de‐
    terminations, we “look at the ‘totality of the circumstances’ of
    each case to see whether the detaining officer has a ‘particu‐
    larized and objective basis’ for suspecting legal wrongdoing.”
    United States v. Arvizu, 
    534 U.S. 266
    , 273 (2002). Reasonable
    suspicion requires more than an “inchoate and unparticular‐
    ized suspicion or ‘hunch’” but “considerably less than pre‐
    ponderance of the evidence.” Illinois v. Wardlow, 
    528 U.S. 119
    ,
    123–24 (2000). Ultimately, the determination of reasonable
    suspicion “must be based on commonsense judgments and
    inferences about human behavior.”
    Id. at 125.
        Eymann and Lyons argue that the officers had nothing
    more than a hunch when they stopped the two men in the ho‐
    tel parking lot, but the record demonstrates otherwise. First,
    the officers on the scene were aware of the suspicious details
    of the plane’s and pilot’s flight history. Based on AMOC’s tip,
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    the officers knew that at least twice, the plane had flown from
    California to Pennsylvania and back and remained on the
    ground for only a matter of hours before returning. Officers
    also knew that Lyons was the pilot on at least one trip. Such
    quick‐turn flights, although not necessarily illegal, may con‐
    tribute to reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct. See, e.g.,
    United States v. Sokolow, 
    490 U.S. 1
    , 9 (1989) (flying 20 hours
    from Hawaii to Florida and staying only 48 hours in Florida
    contributed to reasonable suspicion); United States v. Simpson,
    
    609 F.3d 1140
    , 1151–52 (10th Cir. 2010) (driving from Ne‐
    braska to spend only one night in Reno contributed to a find‐
    ing of reasonable suspicion); United States v. Ehlebracht, 
    693 F.2d 333
    , 337 (5th Cir. 1982) (four hour and 30 minute stop
    before returning after a long trip was suspicious).
    In addition, during these quick‐turn flights, the plane of‐
    ten landed at small, rural airports to refuel at hours when the
    airports and airport buildings were effectively closed. Alt‐
    hough such travel patterns are not illegal, they may contribute
    to reasonable suspicion, given that they could assist in shield‐
    ing criminal conduct from detection. United States v. Michel,
    
    588 F.2d 986
    , 998 (5th Cir. 1979) (finding reasonable suspicion
    in part because “small country airports [a]re often used by
    marijuana smugglers to fly loads in after the airfields closed”).
    This factor may cut both ways, however, because a pilot who
    lands at a closed airport apparently must use a credit or debit
    card to refuel from a self‐service gas pump. This leaves a pa‐
    per trial that could be avoided by refueling at an open airport
    where the pilot could pay with cash.
    The district court also noted that the agents were aware
    that the plane had flown to Watsonville and Cloverdale, Cal‐
    ifornia—places where AMOC had previously found drug
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    trafficking. Courts have held that flights to or from high drug
    trafficking areas may properly contribute to reasonable suspi‐
    cion. See United States v. Espinosa‐Alvarez, 
    839 F.2d 1201
    , 1206
    (7th Cir. 1987); United States v. Palen, 
    793 F.2d 853
    , 857 (7th Cir.
    1986). On the other hand, in this era of increasing legalization
    of marijuana, coupled with widespread cultivation, we con‐
    sider this only a small nudge in the direction of reasonable
    suspicion.
    We do agree with the district court’s determination that
    the airplane’s alleged travel through bad weather did not con‐
    tribute to reasonable suspicion. In his email, Keller flagged
    that the plane had flown through a storm. The radar image
    that AMOC provided, however, did not show the plane flying
    through bad weather. Instead, it showed the plane’s flight
    path over Indiana and Illinois. Stormy weather is visible in the
    plane’s past route at the time the image was captured. That
    picture is not evidence that the stormy weather existed when
    the plane was in that spot; the storm clouds could have moved
    into the route after the plane had flown by.
    Eymann and Lyons attack the evidence we have just sum‐
    marized with the contention that the agents should not have
    relied on any information provided by Keller. They argue that
    this basis is no better than the one in Florida v. J.L., 
    529 U.S. 266
    (2000), where the Supreme Court found that police lacked
    reasonable suspicion for a Terry stop.
    Id. at 274.
    There, the of‐
    ficers’ suspicion that the defendant was carrying a weapon
    “arose not from any observations of their own but solely from
    a call made from an unknown location by an unknown
    caller.”
    Id. at 270.
    Also, the anonymous call concerning the de‐
    fendant “provided no predictive information and therefore
    left the police without means to test the informant’s
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    knowledge or credibility.”
    Id. at 271.
    Eymann and Lyons em‐
    phasize that Harrington had never dealt with Keller and thus
    could not assess Keller’s reputation. In addition, they say,
    whereas the J.L. defendant’s carrying of a firearm was a crime,
    no one reported any crime by them. Keller reported only sus‐
    picions about otherwise lawful activity.
    But Keller and Spencer were far from anonymous inform‐
    ants. They both worked for DHS’s Air and Marine Operations
    Center, which is part of DHS’s Customs and Border Protec‐
    tion section and which, according to its website, “uses sophis‐
    ticated technology to detect, identify, track, and direct the in‐
    terdiction of suspect aviation and maritime targets in the
    Western Hemisphere.” See cbp.gov, Air and Marine Opera‐
    tions Leadership and Organization. One of AMOC’s jobs is to
    monitor airplane activity to reduce drug trafficking by air.
    Spencer and Keller were both acting within the scope of their
    official responsibilities when they passed along their infor‐
    mation about the Cessna to Harrington. Also, a similar tip
    from AMOC in the past had led to the seizure of illegal drugs.
    Spencer gave Harrington specific details, and the Litchfield
    team witnessed firsthand activity by Eymann and Lyons that
    corroborated the tip. Finally, the possible lawfulness of a per‐
    son’s actions does not defeat reasonable suspicion. See
    Navarette v. California, 
    572 U.S. 393
    , 403 (2014).
    The information that Harrington received from Keller (via
    Spencer) also falls within the collective‐knowledge doctrine.
    Under the collective‐knowledge doctrine, officers may carry
    out a stop even if they do not have firsthand knowledge of the
    facts amounting to reasonable suspicion. See United States v.
    Harris, 
    585 F.3d 394
    , 400 (7th Cir. 2009). Instead, “where law
    enforcement authorities are cooperating in an investigation,
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    as here, the knowledge of one is presumed shared by all.” Il‐
    linois v. Andreas, 
    463 U.S. 765
    , 771 n.5 (1983). Collective
    knowledge also applies to information that an officer receives
    from those with the “training, responsibility or authority to
    make a determination of reasonable suspicion.” United States
    v. Colon, 
    250 F.3d 130
    , 137 (2d Cir. 2001).
    Spencer was a law‐enforcement officer at AMOC. Harring‐
    ton and the other DHS and LPD officers involved in the stop
    were entitled to rely on Spencer’s information, including the
    report he received from Keller. Keller, as an intelligence re‐
    search specialist at AMOC, is responsible for detecting suspi‐
    cious activity among airplanes and sharing that information
    with the appropriate officer(s). Therefore, the information
    Harrington received from Spencer, which included infor‐
    mation from Keller, properly contributed to a finding that the
    officers had reasonable suspicion to stop Eymann and Lyons
    in the hotel parking lot.
    B
    The next question is whether the parking‐lot encounter ex‐
    ceeded the scope of a Terry stop. To be lawful, “a detention
    must be limited in scope and executed through the least re‐
    strictive means.” United States v. Ienco, 
    182 F.3d 517
    , 523 (7th
    Cir. 1999). “A seizure becomes an arrest when a reasonable
    person in the suspect’s position would have understood the
    situation to constitute a restraint on freedom of movement of
    the degree which the law associates with formal arrest.”
    Id. (internal quotation
    marks omitted). “The line between a law‐
    ful Terry stop and an unlawful arrest is not bright.” United
    States v. Askew, 
    403 F.3d 496
    , 507 (7th Cir. 2005). “Several fac‐
    tors are relevant in deciding whether a Terry stop has become
    an arrest[,] including the officer’s intent in stopping the
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    individual, whether there was a search, whether, or how
    much, questioning occurred, whether there was a show of
    force and whether the person stopped could be said to have
    been taken into custody.” United States v. Rodriguez, 
    831 F.2d 162
    , 166 (7th Cir. 1987).
    Eymann and Lyons, with the support of our dissenting
    colleague, argue that the encounter in the parking lot, before
    they were handcuffed, was more akin to an arrest than the
    limited detention permitted under Terry. They point to the fol‐
    lowing factors: the encounter occurred at night; the agents did
    not advise them that they were free to leave; the agents
    parked their vehicles in a way that did not allow the courtesy
    car to leave; two of the police vehicles activated emergency
    lights; the agents stood close to the two men and blocked their
    entrance to the hotel; several officers were present and their
    weapons were visible; and the officers took the men’s identi‐
    fication cards.
    The answer to the question whether they were under ar‐
    rest depends significantly on the underlying facts. The district
    court found that there was no arrest until the officers hand‐
    cuffed the two after they found marijuana in Eymann’s bag.
    The earlier show of force, it found, was minimal. Although
    there were quite a few uniformed officers and police cars, and
    some of the cars had flashing lights, the officers did not draw
    any weapons or raise their voices. This level of force is nor‐
    mally not associated with a formal arrest. See 
    Askew, 403 F.3d at 508
    −09 (surrounding suspect’s car to prevent him from
    leaving did not convert stop into arrest). In addition, the of‐
    ficers investigated their suspicions by questioning Eymann
    and Lyons immediately. These actions aligned with the pur‐
    pose of the investigatory stop, as officers are “permitted to ask
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    questions to determine an individual’s identity and to obtain
    information confirming an officer’s suspicions.” United States
    v. Johnson, 
    680 F.3d 966
    , 974 (7th Cir. 2012), overruled on other
    grounds by Fowler v. Butts, 
    829 F.3d 788
    (7th Cir. 2016); see
    Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court of Nevada, Humboldt Cnty, 
    542 U.S. 177
    , 187–88 (2004). The duration of the questioning was
    also brief. The officers asked the pair about their travel plans
    until Lyons experienced his medical episode. At that point,
    the officers turned their focus to Eymann. Agent Harrington
    asked Eymann whether he had brought any marijuana. The
    tone, the district court found, was calm and conversational,
    and the questioning did not indicate that either Eymann or
    Lyons was under arrest at that point.
    Eymann and Lyons’s strongest argument is that the offic‐
    ers themselves characterized the stop as an arrest at the state
    suppression hearing. Worse, they say, Wilkinson’s and Jar‐
    man’s testimony at the state suppression hearing in March
    2014 actually conflicted with their testimony at the federal
    suppression hearing in 2015 and 2016. Eymann and Lyons
    emphasize that, at the state‐court suppression hearing, Wil‐
    kinson unequivocally said that the defendants were “in cus‐
    tody” when the police officers arrived at the Quality Inn park‐
    ing lot, and his choice of that phrase amounts to an admission
    that the stop was an arrest. At that point, they contend, the
    officers lacked probable cause to make those arrests, and so
    the arrests were illegal and the evidence gathered afterwards
    must be suppressed.
    We have taken a close look at both the state‐court and the
    federal‐court records, however, and we are satisfied that they
    are not in conflict. At both hearings, Wilkinson and Jarman
    emphasized that Eymann and Lyons were “not free to leave”
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    from the moment the officers arrived at the Quality Inn park‐
    ing lot. In addition, at both hearings, Wilkinson equated “not
    free to leave” with being in custody. Wilkinson’s use of the
    word “custody” (which he uses at both hearings) appears to
    be based on the fact that the defendants were not free to leave.
    There is no reason to think that he was offering a legal opinion
    about whether their situation qualified as “custody” under
    the law. See Thompson v. Keohane, 
    516 U.S. 99
    , 112–13 (1995)
    (ultimate question whether a person is “in custody” is a
    mixed question of law and fact and receives plenary review).
    We learn little from the fact that the defendants were not
    free to leave, because that is also true in standard Terry stops.
    That constraint signals only that the interaction was not
    merely a consensual encounter. See United States v. Williams,
    
    945 F.2d 192
    , 196 (7th Cir. 1991). Moreover, the question
    whether a person is under arrest is an objective one, not one
    that depends on the officers’ beliefs. 
    Ienco, 182 F.3d at 523
    .
    Because the officers used little show‐of‐force, kept their
    questioning within reasonable bounds, and acted consistently
    with an investigatory detention, we conclude, as the district
    court did, that a reasonable person would not have under‐
    stood that his freedom was restrained to the degree associated
    with a formal arrest during the period before the handcuffing.
    C
    Eymann and Lyons next argue that the officers did not
    have probable cause to search the car. Probable cause to
    search a vehicle exists “if, given the totality of the circum‐
    stances, there is a fair probability that contraband or evidence
    of a crime will be found in a particular place.” United States v.
    Scott, 
    516 F.3d 587
    , 589 (7th Cir. 2008) (internal quotation
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    marks omitted). “Admissions of crime, like admissions
    against proprietary interests, carry their own indicia of credi‐
    bility—sufficient at least to support a finding of probable
    cause to search.” United States v. Harris, 
    403 U.S. 573
    , 583
    (1971). Once Eymann admitted to having marijuana in the car,
    the officers had probable cause to search it, unless there is
    some problem with the admission.
    That is the route Eymann tries to take. He says that he was
    under arrest before he made the admission and that he made
    the statement only in response to Agent Harrington’s post‐ar‐
    rest questioning. That taints the admission, he argues, be‐
    cause he had not yet received his Miranda warnings, and so it
    cannot be used to establish probable cause. One problem with
    this argument is that, as the district court found, Eymann had
    no privacy interest in the car and thus could not challenge its
    search. We need not opine on that point. Eymann’s argument
    works only if he was in custody while he was being ques‐
    tioned, and we have concluded that he was not. His admission
    therefore gave the officers probable cause to search the cour‐
    tesy car.
    D
    Once the marijuana was found in Eymann’s luggage, the
    officers had probable cause to arrest Eymann. We are left with
    Lyons’s arguments about his frisk and arrest.
    We start with the frisk. “For a frisk to be lawful, it must be
    based on reasonable suspicion that ‘criminal activity may be
    afoot and that the persons with whom [the officer] is dealing
    may be armed and presently dangerous.’” United States v.
    Lopez, 
    907 F.3d 472
    , 485 (7th Cir. 2018) (quoting 
    Terry, 392 U.S. at 30
    ). “[G]iven the … burdensome intrusion of a frisk, such
    18                                          Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    action should only be allowed when the officer can point to
    articulable facts that would establish the separate and specific
    condition that the detainee has a weapon or poses some dan‐
    ger.” United States v. Williams, 
    731 F.3d 678
    , 686 (7th Cir. 2013).
    Lyons asserts that the officers had no reason to think he
    was armed or dangerous. He emphasizes that mere suspicion
    of drug trafficking is insufficient to justify a frisk. Lyons, how‐
    ever, failed to raise this argument before the district court, and
    so he may not raise it now for the first time on appeal. Puffer
    v. Allstate Ins. Co., 
    675 F.3d 709
    , 718 (7th Cir. 2012). Although
    the motion to suppress contained many arguments, an im‐
    proper frisk was not one of them.
    E1
    We now turn to Lyons’s arrest. Lyons argues that the of‐
    ficers did not have probable cause to arrest him after they
    found Eymann’s marijuana. “Probable cause for an arrest ex‐
    ists if an officer reasonably believes, in light of the facts and
    circumstances within his knowledge at the time of the arrest,
    that the suspect has committed, or is committing, an offense.”
    Thompson v. Wagner, 
    319 F.3d 931
    , 934 (7th Cir. 2003), as
    amended on denial of reh’g (Mar. 14, 2003). We must “exam‐
    ine the events leading up to the arrest” and then determine
    “whether these historical facts, viewed from the standpoint of
    an objectively reasonable police officer, amount to” probable
    cause. Maryland v. Pringle, 
    540 U.S. 366
    , 371 (2003).
    1
    Section II.E. represents the views of only Chief Judge Wood. As ex‐
    plained in her concurrence, Judge Sykes concludes that the officers had
    probable cause to arrest Lyons. Judge Hamilton dissents on grounds ex‐
    plained in his separate opinion.
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    The district court found that there was probable cause to
    arrest Lyons because the officers knew that (1) he had been in
    the car with both Eymann and Eymann’s marijuana, (2) he
    had been carrying $2,600 in cash (and missed by a thousand
    dollars how much he had, when he responded to the officer’s
    question), (3) he unloaded a box from a plane that had been
    involved in numerous quick‐turn trips and that often landed
    at rural, closed airports, and (4) upon being confronted by law
    enforcement, he experienced a fainting episode. The district
    court also cited Pringle, 
    540 U.S. 366
    , noting that the Supreme
    Court held that officers who found drugs in a car had proba‐
    ble cause to arrest all three of the car’s passengers where the
    drugs were accessible to all three men and all three failed to
    offer information about the drugs’ ownership.
    Pringle is not very helpful, as it is easily distinguishable.
    Whereas the suspects in Pringle refused to concede ownership
    of the drugs, Eymann frankly admitted to his ownership of
    his personal‐use marijuana. The officers had no reason to
    doubt Eymann’s claim that the drugs were his, and the quan‐
    tity did not lend itself to a shared‐ownership theory. The
    other reasons the district court listed for finding probable
    cause are also weak. Although Lyons experienced a fainting
    spell, “[m]ost people, when confronted by a police officer, are
    likely to act nervous, avoid eye contact, and even potentially
    shift their bodies as if to move away from the area.” 
    Williams, 731 F.3d at 687
    . And, as noted earlier, the question whether
    there was a box at all is disputed, much less whether the ex‐
    istence of a box on an airplane—one that did not make it into
    the courtesy car—is anything but innocuous. For these rea‐
    sons, Chief Judge Wood concludes that the officers did not
    have probable cause to arrest Lyons.
    20                                      Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    F
    Our focus, however, is on the evidence the police seized,
    not the validity of the arrest for its own sake. Lyons and Ey‐
    mann argue that Lyons’s unlawful arrest led to the search of
    the Cessna, and so the evidence of the marijuana stash must
    be suppressed. (As nothing turns on it, we assume for present
    purposes that both had enough interest in the Cessna to com‐
    plain about this search.) They note that when the officers ar‐
    rested Lyons, they found and took the airplane’s keys, and
    they used those keys to open the airplane during the search.
    The pair compares these events to the events in United States
    v. Ienco, 
    182 F.3d 517
    (7th Cir. 1999). In Ienco, police arrested
    two men without probable cause.
    Id. at 524−25.
    While the two
    were unlawfully detained in the back of the police car, one
    accidentally dropped the key to their van.
    Id. at 528.
    Hours
    later, the police found the key and used it to gain access to the
    van, where they found weapons.
    Id. at 522.
    Affirming the dis‐
    trict court’s motion to suppress the weapons as evidence, we
    held that “if the arrest was illegal, evidence obtained by the
    discovery of the key hidden in the police car and the ensuing
    discovery, impoundment, and search of the van would be in‐
    admissible, all that being the fruit of the unlawful arrest.”
    Id. at 526,
    529.
    The government argues that even if the arrest was im‐
    proper, the inevitable‐discovery doctrine applies, and on that
    basis the evidence from the airplane should not be sup‐
    pressed. Under the inevitable‐discovery doctrine, if the pros‐
    ecution can establish by a preponderance of the evidence that
    the challenged evidence ultimately would have been discov‐
    ered through lawful means without regard to the constitu‐
    tional error, then the evidence is not subject to suppression.
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    United States v. Jones, 
    72 F.3d 1324
    , 1330 (7th Cir. 1995). To sat‐
    isfy this burden the government must demonstrate (1) that “it
    had, or would have obtained, an independent, legal justifica‐
    tion for conducting a search that would have led to the dis‐
    covery of the evidence,” and (2) that it “would have con‐
    ducted a lawful search absent the challenged conduct.” United
    States v. Marrocco, 
    578 F.3d 627
    , 637–38 (7th Cir. 2009). The
    doctrine is premised on the idea that law enforcement
    “should be placed in no better, but no worse, a position than
    they would have been had no impropriety occurred.” 
    Jones, 72 F.3d at 1330
    .
    Although the district court did not reach inevitable dis‐
    covery (because it found no constitutional errors), our conclu‐
    sion with respect to Lyons’s arrest makes it necessary for us
    to address this point. We may do so, because the parties de‐
    veloped the necessary record in the district court.2 The first
    question is whether the government had an independent, le‐
    gal justification for conducting the search of the plane that led
    to the discovery of the marijuana. We are satisfied that it did.
    When the officers returned to the airport after the encounter
    in the hotel parking lot, they entered the airport gate with the
    permission and assistance of the airport agents. The officers
    were therefore lawfully present on the runway. Moreover, the
    officers were permitted to bring Arie to the plane and instruct
    him to conduct an outdoor sniff test. Police officers need no
    articulable reason to call in a drug‐sniffing dog as long as do‐
    ing so does not otherwise invade a person’s legitimate interest
    in privacy. See United States v. Jacobsen, 
    466 U.S. 109
    , 123 (1984)
    2 The dissent believes that further development of this issue is needed
    in the district court. Post at 12. With respect, we see no critical gaps in the
    record that require filling.
    22                                      Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    (“[G]overnmental conduct that can reveal whether a sub‐
    stance is cocaine, and no other arguably ‘private’ fact, com‐
    promises no legitimate privacy interest.”); United States v.
    Place, 
    462 U.S. 696
    , 707 (1983) (establishing that a dog’s sniff
    of luggage does not constitute a Fourth Amendment search).
    Neither Lyons nor Eymann had a legitimate privacy interest
    in the marijuana in the plane. Moreover, deploying Arie did
    not invade Eymann’s or Lyons’s legitimate privacy interest
    because the airplane was parked on an open runway. See
    United States v. Grogg, 
    534 F.3d 807
    , 810–11 (7th Cir. 2008)
    (“[T]he Supreme Court has made clear that a dog sniff in a
    public place is not a search[,] because it is unique, in that it
    does not intrude on or disclose any information other than
    whether contraband is present, and a possessor of contraband
    cannot maintain a legitimate expectation that the contra‐
    band’s presence will not be revealed.”).
    If Arie’s alert on the airplane survives scrutiny, then it
    gave the officers probable cause to search the plane independ‐
    ent of anything that happened at the hotel. Lyons and Ey‐
    mann contend that reliance on the dog’s alert was improper,
    however, because Arie was uncertified at the time he sniffed
    the airplane. They also claim Arie was unreliable. The record
    establishes otherwise.
    We should first say that the question whether Arie did or
    did not have a particular state certificate is a question of state
    law. The Fourth Amendment does not incorporate such state
    requirements; it asks only whether, objectively, the officers
    had probable cause to search. The record showed that Arie
    successfully completed many training sessions. Starting in
    2007, Arie completed a 10‐week program at the Illinois State
    Police Canine Academy. He was trained to detect various
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    drug odors and to refrain from alerting when odors other than
    the specified set (proofing odors) were present. At the end of
    the 10‐week program, Arie was tested and evaluated in 32 dif‐
    ferent categories, and he received passing marks in each cate‐
    gory. After that program, Arie successfully completed a three‐
    to five‐day refresher training at the Academy in 2008, 2009,
    2010, 2011, and 2012. During each refresher course, Arie was
    tested in at least 32 categories and passed in all evaluated ar‐
    eas. The most recent refresher course Arie completed before
    July 2013 was in November 2012, less than eight months be‐
    fore the sniff. He earned a perfect score in 36 evaluated areas.
    Outside of the Academy, Grammer and Arie completed
    bi‐weekly trainings with other handler/dog teams. Arie also
    participated in additional out‐of‐state training programs. In
    addition, during a July 2012 session, Arie received special
    recognition for being the only dog successfully to pass a com‐
    plex proofing odors test; the training included about 75 dif‐
    ferent proofing odors and no drug odors, and Arie was the
    only dog that went through the entire building without giving
    a single false alert.
    Despite this record, Eymann and Lyons argue that Arie
    was not reliable. They assert that Arie receives a reward every
    time he alerts, even when no drugs are found, and so he is
    motivated to alert during every drug sniff. In fact, the data
    from 2012, they argue, shows that Arie performed 29 drug
    sniffs and alerted positively to the presence of drugs in all of
    them. In addition, they contend that even though Arie has
    been trained to alert passively, the evidence shows that he
    was aggressively alerting during the sniffs. These active
    alerts, they insist, undermine the district court’s reliability
    finding. Eymann and Lyons also emphasize that Arie was not
    24                                               Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    properly certified during the sniffs. They note that even a
    well‐trained dog is not permitted to search for drugs once its
    certification expires.
    Taking the last point first, we reiterate that Arie’s lack of a
    state certificate is not conclusive for federal constitutional
    purposes. His lack of certification was attributable to an ad‐
    ministrative error, not incompetence on the job. Once the er‐
    ror was spotted, the state retroactively certified Arie for the
    period that included the events in question. Even in the ab‐
    sence of formal certification, “evidence of a dog’s satisfactory
    performance in a certification or training program can itself
    provide sufficient reason to trust his alert.” Florida v. Harris,
    
    568 U.S. 237
    , 246 (2013). In addition, the 2012 data that Ey‐
    mann and Lyons claim shows that Arie alerted positively
    100% of the time was actually a record of only Arie’s positive
    alerts, not of all of the drug sniffs he performed. Moreover,
    Arie’s handler, Grammer, testified that Arie provided a pas‐
    sive alert during the sniffs. Although Wilkinson testified that
    Arie stopped, sat, and barked at the seam door, which the de‐
    fendants argue is not a passive alert, the actions of stopping
    and sitting are consistent with a passive alert. In addition,
    Grammer was likely paying more attention to Arie’s actions
    during the sniffs. We therefore agree with the district court
    that at the time of his sniff of the plane, Arie’s alert could and
    did establish probable cause.3
    3 The dissent queries whether the “automobile exception” to the
    Fourth Amendment applies to a small airplane such as the Cessna. The
    issue, we believe, is not properly before us, because the defendants did
    not raise this point until their reply briefs. The dissent disagrees, asserting
    that “the [automobile‐exception] question arose only in reply to the gov‐
    ernment’s reliance on inevitable discovery as an alternate ground to
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    This brings us to the second inquiry for inevitable discov‐
    ery: the government must demonstrate that it would have
    conducted a lawful search absent the challenged conduct. Ex‐
    cept for Officer Wilkinson, the officers and agents are clear in
    their testimony that they were going to bring Arie to the plane
    to perform a sniff test regardless of what happened at the ho‐
    tel. When asked if there was any circumstance where he
    would not have called Grammer to walk Arie around the
    plane, Jarman replied that he “would have ran [sic] that dog
    no matter what [the agents] had decided” because he had pre‐
    viously found drugs in a plane at the airport and did not want
    the Litchfield Municipal Airport to be a stop for drug couriers.
    Harrington testified that there were no circumstances under
    which he would not have made use of a drug‐detection dog.
    He also testified that even if the Litchfield Police Department
    did not make Arie available, he “would have contacted Illi‐
    nois State Police and arranged for one of their [dogs] to as‐
    sist.” Mitchell testified that “regardless of how following that
    car turned out,” “we would have definitely run the [dog]
    around the plane.” Wilkinson’s testimony was more equivo‐
    cal. He said that if the federal agents decided not to run the
    affirm.” Post at 13 n.1. In their opening briefs, however, the defendants
    argued that the search of the Cessna was unlawful because Arie’s alert
    could not establish probable cause. We would reach the probable‐cause
    question only if the automobile exception applied to the Cessna. The de‐
    fendants therefore should have taken issue with the district court’s deter‐
    mination that the automobile exception applied in their opening briefs.
    We note as well that a number of circuits have found that the same ap‐
    proach applies to airplanes. See, e.g., United States v. Linn, 
    30 F.3d 132
    , 
    1994 WL 399179
    , at *2 (4th Cir. 1994) (unpublished); United States v. Rollins, 
    699 F.2d 530
    , 534 (11th Cir. 1983); United States v. Gooch, 
    603 F.2d 122
    , 124 (10th
    Cir. 1979). Because the issue has not been properly presented here, we do
    not need to resolve this point.
    26                                      Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    dog around the plane, he was not sure whether he would have
    ordered Arie to be deployed. He “would have had to try to
    validate why their suspicion was no longer valid or [why]
    they didn’t want to pursue their suspicion, and then [he
    would] have to make a decision.”
    Wilkinson’s lack of certainty is not enough, in our view, to
    overcome the testimony of all the other officers to the effect
    that the airplane was the central focus of their interest. This
    record shows that they would have walked Arie around the
    plane even if they had not improperly arrested Lyons. Both
    Eymann, whose arrest does pass muster, and Lyons were in
    the plane, and all the other information suggesting that the
    plane was being used for illegal drug operations was still
    there. Wilkinson indicated that he would probably have de‐
    ferred to the federal agents, and the federal agents testified
    that they would have deployed Arie no matter what. Lyons’s
    arrest was largely beside the point. The inevitable‐discovery
    doctrine therefore applies, and the district court correctly re‐
    fused to suppress the evidence found in the plane.
    G
    Lastly, Lyons argues that the district court erred in finding
    that the government was not collaterally estopped from liti‐
    gating the suppression hearing in federal court. Recall that be‐
    fore the federal charges were filed, the Montgomery County
    Circuit Court found that Arie’s alerts on the courtesy car and
    the plane could not establish probable cause because Arie was
    not technically certified as a drug‐detection dog during those
    sniffs. The state court determined that 50 ILCS 705/10.12 pre‐
    cluded finding probable cause from an alert by an uncertified
    dog. That finding prompted the state court to suppress the
    evidence from the plane.
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    Collateral estoppel (or as we now say, issue preclusion) is
    “properly applied when an issue raised by a party to a suit
    has been actually and necessarily litigated in a prior suit and
    when the party against whom estoppel is asserted has had a
    ‘full and fair opportunity’ to litigate the issue.” United States
    v. Sherman, 
    912 F.2d 907
    , 909 (7th Cir. 1990). “The four require‐
    ments of collateral estoppel are that: (1) the issue sought to be
    precluded is the same as that involved in the prior action; (2)
    the issue was actually litigated; (3) the determination of the
    issue was essential to the final judgment; and (4) the party
    against whom estoppel is invoked was fully represented in
    the prior action.”
    Id. Requirement 4
    is not met here. Lyons argues that the state
    suppression hearing provided the federal government a full
    and fair opportunity to vindicate its rights, but the United
    States was not a party to the state action or otherwise repre‐
    sented in it. Issue preclusion “cannot apply here because it
    holds only between the same parties, whereas the United
    States was not represented in the prior case.” United States v.
    Brocksmith, 
    991 F.2d 1363
    , 1367 (7th Cir. 1993). Although the
    United States and Illinois worked together in the investiga‐
    tion of the offense, joint law enforcement effort does not mean
    the prosecuting entities are in privity for the purposes of issue
    preclusion. United States v. Davis, 
    906 F.2d 829
    , 834 (2d Cir.
    1990). The United States is not bound by the state court’s res‐
    olution of the suppression issue.
    We therefore AFFIRM the district court’s denial of Eymann
    and Lyons’s motion to suppress, and thus the judgments en‐
    tered against both defendants.
    28                                       Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    SYKES, Circuit Judge, concurring. I join Chief Judge
    Wood’s opinion except for Part IIE, which concludes that
    DHS Special Agent Harrington and his law‐enforcement
    team lacked probable cause to arrest Lyons. In my view, the
    officers had probable cause to arrest Lyons based on the
    following facts known to them at the time:
       Lyons piloted at least one of the cross‐country, quick‐
    turn Cessna flights from California that prompted the
    call and email from DHS’s Air and Marine Operations
    Center to Agent Harrington. That flight—on the
    weekend of June 21, 2013—followed the same pattern
    as the one just a few weeks before on the weekend of
    May 24. During both trips, the plane landed at small,
    rural airports late at night, when the airports were
    otherwise closed, and used self‐service pumps to re‐
    fuel.
       Lyons’s wife owned the plane.
       When Harrington frisked Lyons, he felt what he
    thought was a wad of cash in his pocket. When asked
    about it, Lyons said it was an envelope containing
    $1,600. But the envelope actually contained $2,600 in
    cash. Misstating the amount by $1,000 was suspicious.
       Lyons said the cash was for fuel and expenses, but
    Harrington knew that the self‐service pumps at rural
    airports do not take cash. This added to the suspicion.
       Lyons’s fainting spell: Nervousness may be common
    in a police encounter, but fainting is unusual, as
    Harrington testified. This goes beyond the garden‐
    variety nervousness mentioned in United States v.
    Williams, 
    731 F.3d 678
    , 687 (7th Cir. 2013).
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    These facts—and the discovery of Eymann’s marijuana—
    add up to probable cause. I agree, however, with Chief
    Judge Wood’s analysis and application of the inevitable‐
    discovery doctrine. So my disagreement on the probable‐
    cause point means only that we end up in the same place for
    two reasons.
    30                                        Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    HAMILTON, Circuit Judge, dissenting. I agree with several
    portions of the majority opinion, but I differ from the majority
    on three decisive issues. First, the initial police tactics in the
    hotel parking lot amounted to unjustified arrests without
    probable cause, not merely an investigative stop. Second,
    even if the parking lot encounter were only an investigative
    Terry stop, the police lacked reasonable suspicion at the outset
    even to stop Eymann and Lyons. Reasonable suspicion
    should require more than the curiosity of law enforcement of‐
    ficers. Third, the majority errs in deciding the fact‐intensive
    issue of inevitable discovery, which the district court did not
    reach. I would vacate both defendants’ convictions and re‐
    mand for fact‐finding on the government’s affirmative de‐
    fense of inevitable discovery. I respectfully dissent.
    I. The Arrests in the Hotel Parking Lot
    A reasonable person surrounded by the police in the hotel
    parking lot that night would have understood that he was un‐
    der arrest. In fact, the police officers testified in the state trial
    court that Eymann and Lyons were under arrest from the mo‐
    ment they were surrounded in the parking lot—at least one
    officer explicitly, with the others confirming factual details in‐
    dicating that the encounter was an arrest. Police Chief Wil‐
    kinson testified:
    Q. Was Mr. Eymann arrested at that point
    [when the police cars pulled up behind their
    vehicle]?
    A. He was in custody, yes, sir.
    In response to a question about “arrest,” that answer can‐
    not plausibly be explained, as the majority opinion does, as
    having meant “only a Terry stop.” A year later, though, the
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    officers changed their testimony in the federal district court.
    This time, they claimed the initial detention was only a Terry
    stop. But these experienced police officers knew the difference
    between an arrest and a Terry stop when they testified in state
    court. They were right the first time.
    The line between a Terry stop and an arrest is “not bright,”
    United States v. Askew, 
    403 F.3d 496
    , 507 (7th Cir. 2005), but it
    is exceedingly important. Terry recognized a “wholly differ‐
    ent kind of intrusion upon individual freedom” based, for the
    first time, on less than probable cause to believe the suspect
    was engaged in crime. Terry v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 26 (1968). If
    courts allow law enforcement officers to cloak as “investiga‐
    tory stops” what are really just arrests without probable
    cause, all of us will have less liberty than the founders estab‐
    lished for us in the Fourth Amendment.
    The majority concludes that the parking lot encounter was
    a Terry stop “[b]ecause the officers used little show‐of‐force,
    kept their questioning within reasonable bounds, and acted
    consistently with an investigatory detention,” such that “a
    reasonable person would not have understood that his free‐
    dom was restrained to the degree associated with a formal ar‐
    rest during the period before the handcuffing.” Ante at 16.
    I disagree. While there is no bright line between an arrest
    and a Terry stop, “common sense and ordinary human expe‐
    rience must govern.” United States v. Sharpe, 
    470 U.S. 675
    , 685
    (1985). As many as nine officers in multiple marked cars
    pulled in behind defendants’ car, blocking it in. At least two
    cars were flashing their colored emergency lights. The armed
    and uniformed officers, some in tactical gear and body armor,
    then approached the defendants. A few moments later, an of‐
    ficer took the defendants’ identification and did not return it.
    32                                        Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    Eymann and Lyons were then separated before Eymann was
    questioned. Chief Wilkinson confiscated the keys to the air‐
    port courtesy car that the men had been driving. Common
    sense and ordinary human experience should convince us
    that this scene was not consistent with the notion of a brief
    encounter “to ask you a few questions.”
    These facts are sufficiently similar to those of United States
    v. Ienco, 
    182 F.3d 517
    (7th Cir. 1999), to show an arrest: a sig‐
    nificant show of force, overwhelming police presence, and
    identification and keys taken and kept by the police. See
    id. at 525,
    citing Florida v. Royer, 
    460 U.S. 491
    , 501–02 (1983) (where
    officers at airport identified themselves as narcotics agents,
    told defendant that he was suspected of transporting narcot‐
    ics, and asked him to accompany them to a police room, while
    retaining his airline ticket and driver’s license without indi‐
    cating in any way that he was free to depart, defendant was
    effectively seized for purposes of Fourth Amendment), United
    States v. Gonzalez, 
    763 F.2d 1127
    , 1131–32 (10th Cir. 1985) (“ar‐
    rest” found where police held driver’s license, car registration
    and title), and United States v. Miller, 
    589 F.2d 1117
    , 1127 (1st
    Cir. 1978) (police officer’s retention of the defendant’s driver’s
    license which prevented the defendant from lawfully driving
    his car was more of an arrest than a mere investigatory stop).
    We have also held that large numbers of armed police tend to
    indicate that a defendant was in custody. See, e.g., United
    States v. Slaight, 
    620 F.3d 816
    , 820 (7th Cir. 2010); United States
    v. Borostowski, 
    775 F.3d 851
    , 860–61 (7th Cir. 2014).
    What happened here was distinct from the common police
    practice of asking for and briefly inspecting identification
    during a traffic stop, cf. Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court, 
    542 U.S. 177
    , 186 (2004), and United States v. Hensley, 
    469 U.S. 221
    ,
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    229 (1985). In such routine stops, most drivers expect to re‐
    ceive their identification back within a few minutes. With no
    driver’s licenses, and no expectation of getting them back any
    time soon, and amid an overwhelming police presence, Ey‐
    mann and Lyons were effectively under arrest from the out‐
    set.
    Finally, I cannot overlook the testimony of Chief Wil‐
    kinson in the state court hearing on the motion to suppress
    (which was eventually granted, leading to this Plan‐B federal
    prosecution). In the state court, the Chief testified that the en‐
    counter with Eymann and Lyons in the hotel parking lot was
    an arrest from the start. Chief Wilkinson is an experienced of‐
    ficer who surely knew the difference between an arrest and a
    Terry stop. In a hearing on the broad‐based motion to sup‐
    press, he testified this was an arrest. (The Illinois State’s At‐
    torney never even contested this point: he said in his closing
    argument that “The state is not going to try and sit here and
    argue that they weren’t in custody.”) I’m troubled by Chief
    Wilkinson’s changed testimony on this critical point after the
    prosecution lost the motion to suppress in state court. He was
    right the first time.
    The government does not claim, and could not claim, that
    the officers had probable cause to arrest Eymann or Lyons in
    the opening moments of the encounter in the parking lot. This
    was an arrest without probable cause, and all of the evidence
    obtained through the unlawful arrest should have been sup‐
    pressed.
    II. No Reasonable Suspicion to Detain
    Even if the parking lot encounter were properly deemed
    only an investigative Terry stop, it was unconstitutional. The
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    officers had received information that they could reasonably
    deem worth investigating. That information fell short, how‐
    ever, of grounds to stop Eymann and Lyons at the hotel that
    night and thus to deprive them of their liberty. The officers
    needed “a reasonable suspicion, grounded in specific and ar‐
    ticulable facts,” that the men had committed a felony or were
    about to commit a crime. 
    Hensley, 469 U.S. at 229
    ; United States
    v. Lopez, 
    907 F.3d 472
    , 478 (7th Cir. 2018). They did not have
    it.
    The Air and Marine Operations Center (AMOC) analyst
    passed on to officers that a single‐engine Cessna was worth
    investigating further because it had made prior quick‐turn
    trips and used self‐service fuel pumps late at night. Although
    the analyst said that these attributes were “similar to previous
    violators,” the analyst also told the officers that “the plane,
    owner, and pilot [were] nonsuspect.” (Like the majority, I
    give little weight to the California origins of the flights or to
    the mistaken impression that the plane had flown into bad
    weather.) In short, the AMOC information did not set Ey‐
    mann, Lyons, or their plane apart from the pool of law‐abid‐
    ing pilots who make quick‐turn trips or use self‐service fuel
    pumps at night.
    It is critical to respect the difference between the quantum
    of suspicion required to stop a suspect and what is required
    merely to investigate. No more than interest or curiosity on the
    part of the police is required to investigate. Neither is enough
    to justify an investigative stop, intruding on a person’s liberty.
    To make a lawful stop, police “must be able to point to
    specific and articulable facts which, taken together with ra‐
    tional inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant that in‐
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    trusion.” 
    Terry, 392 U.S. at 21
    . Though law enforcement offic‐
    ers are entitled to a certain amount of deference, courts must
    still ensure that reasonable suspicion rests on an adequate ob‐
    jective basis. See, e.g.,
    id. at 21–22.
    Without an objective basis
    giving rise to individualized suspicion, nothing sets apart
    those reasonably suspected of criminal activity from those in‐
    nocent Americans going about their daily lives—an outcome
    that is inconsistent with the mandate of the Fourth Amend‐
    ment. Kansas v. Glover, 
    140 S. Ct. 1183
    , 1190 (2020) (reasonable
    suspicion does not “allow officers to stop drivers whose con‐
    duct is no different from any other driver’s”); United States v.
    Flores, 
    798 F.3d 645
    , 649 (7th Cir. 2015) (explaining that a “sus‐
    picion so broad that [it] would permit the police to stop a sub‐
    stantial portion of the lawfully driving public,” such as that
    based on a license plate frame that obstructed a license plate
    in exactly the same way as every other license plate frame,
    was unreasonable).
    By definition, the grounds for a Terry stop can be less than
    those required for probable cause. United States v. Arvizu, 
    534 U.S. 266
    , 274 (2002). But when the activity is much more likely
    to be explained by innocent behavior than by criminal, the in‐
    ference is weakened so that it cannot meet even the relatively
    low standard for reasonable suspicion.
    Consistent with Glover, we have looked for a stronger con‐
    nection between fact and inference than the officers had here.
    In United States v. Paniagua‐Garcia, 
    813 F.3d 1013
    , 1014 (7th Cir.
    2016), we held that a police officer’s observation that a driver
    had his cell phone in hand with his head bent toward the
    phone while driving was not enough to support reasonable
    suspicion that he was breaking Indiana law by texting while
    driving. The officer’s observations did nothing to separate the
    36                                     Nos. 19‐2090 & 19‐2101
    driver’s behavior from any of the many other lawful uses of a
    cellphone while driving, all of which, except for texting, were
    then legal under Indiana law.
    Id. (The statute,
    Ind. Code § 9‐
    21‐8‐59, has since been amended effective July 1, 2020 to allow
    only hands‐free use of cellphones while driving. See Pub. L.
    100‐2020, § 3 (2020).)
    The government argues here that Eymann and Lyons fit
    criteria for drug couriers. The problem is that the profile
    criteria were so general and so likely to point to innocent
    behavior that—without further investigation—it was not
    possible to gauge the likelihood that a specific plane or person
    was involved in criminal activity. AMOC itself told the
    officers from the outset that “the plane, owner, and pilot
    [were] nonsuspect.” Even the factors noted by the AMOC as
    worthy of investigation were not probative of much. The
    record sheds no light on how often “quick turnaround”
    flights are evidence of crime. Private planes are expensive
    items to leave idle, after all, and they make sense not just for
    drug couriers but for anyone who does not want to be tied to
    airline schedules and major airports. There are lots of lawful
    reasons to fly from California to other parts of the country.
    And using small, closed airports to refuel requires pilots to
    leave a trail by paying for fuel with a credit card, and seems
    to be common enough among law‐abiding pilots to support
    the “courtesy car” practice allowing pilots to borrow cars on
    the honor system.
    What the government here has called “reasonable suspi‐
    cion” for Terry purposes was only interest or bare suspicion
    that simply was not enough to justify a coercive, non‐volun‐
    tary stop. 
    Paniagua‐Garcia, 813 F.3d at 1015
    . We were con‐
    cerned in Paniagua‐Garcia by how remote the likelihood of
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    criminal activity was. We compared the case of a driver drink‐
    ing from a coffee cup. The coffee could be spiked with alcohol,
    or the driver could be driving on an expired license.
    Id. With‐ out
    more specific grounds for individual suspicion, however,
    those possibilities could not justify a stop.
    American liberty requires us to enforce the difference be‐
    tween grounds to investigate by non‐coercive means and rea‐
    sonable suspicion to carry out a Terry stop. What judges and
    lawyers blandly call “Terry stops” can be highly intrusive.
    With the authority to stop comes the authority to require the
    subject to submit to the stop, and to use reasonable force to
    make him submit. United States v. Place, 
    462 U.S. 696
    , 702
    (1983) (Terry implicitly acknowledged authority of police to
    make forcible stop based on reasonable suspicion); Adams v.
    Williams, 
    407 U.S. 143
    , 146 (1972) (upholding forcible stop
    based on tip from reliable informant). Such situations can es‐
    calate quickly to violence and even death. See, e.g., Tom v.
    Voida, 
    963 F.2d 952
    , 954 (7th Cir. 1992) (attempt to make justi‐
    fied Terry stop led to officer fatally shooting subject); Brown v.
    City of Milwaukee, 
    288 F. Supp. 2d 962
    (E.D. Wis. 2003) (Terry
    stop based on mistaken identification resulted in permanent
    injuries and pain).
    Here, when the officers encountered Eymann and Lyons,
    as in Paniagua‐Garcia, they had information indicating at most
    that criminal conduct was possible. It’s not surprising that
    some small planes are used to transport drugs, but the record
    tells us nothing about how suspicious the behavior that
    AMOC observed was. By comparison, case law shows that
    many drug couriers drive cars on long trips on interstate high‐
    ways. That fact, without more, is not enough to justify a Terry
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    stop on any car with out‐of‐state plates on an interstate high‐
    way. Courts insist instead that stops of vehicles be based on
    much more specific information, including violations of traf‐
    fic laws.
    The facts here contrast sharply with a case cited by the
    government, United States v. Latorre, 
    893 F.3d 744
    , 748, 751
    (10th Cir. 2018), which affirmed the denial of a motion to sup‐
    press. The police in Latorre knew of the private plane’s unu‐
    sual flight pattern, but they also knew the pilot had a history
    of arrests for drug possession and distribution. Most signifi‐
    cant, the pilot was flying without using the required identifi‐
    cation transponder. There may be legitimate reasons for that
    last point—perhaps the transponder has suddenly stopped
    working – but it is certainly suspicious. The Tenth Circuit held
    that the three factors together supported reasonable suspicion,
    and the lack of transponder was the most compelling. See id.;
    see also 
    Royer, 460 U.S. at 502
    (officers had reasonable suspi‐
    cion for initial Terry stop where drug courier paid for ticket in
    cash under an assumed name). In this case, by contrast,
    AMOC cited no behavior that indicated a desire to avoid de‐
    tection. In fact, the opposite was true. When Eymann and Ly‐
    ons stopped to refuel, they paid with a credit card that rec‐
    orded the transaction.
    The patience shown by Officer McFadden in Terry itself is
    also instructive here. Two men on the street caught his eye.
    
    Terry, 392 U.S. at 5
    . At first, he could not say why they raised
    his suspicion, so he waited and watched. He saw them pace
    past and peer into a store many times, an activity that looked
    to him like casing the store for a robbery. The officer contin‐
    ued to watch. He saw the two men have a brief conversation
    with a third man, who then left. The two men then resumed
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    their activity in front of the store. The officer still did not at‐
    tempt to detain them. He continued to investigate without
    seizing anyone. As the two men began walking away, he fol‐
    lowed them. When they met up with the third man once
    again, Officer McFadden finally stopped them and found con‐
    cealed weapons.
    Id. at 7.
    Terry thus showed the development
    of the officer’s reasonable suspicion, starting from a vague
    hunch that two men on the street were up to no good, to fi‐
    nally observing enough suspicious actions that stopping them
    had become reasonable. It was critical that the officer took the
    time to observe something objectively suspicious before initi‐
    ating his stop.
    As with the initial hunch in Terry, the officers who re‐
    ceived AMOC’s information had enough reason to investi‐
    gate, by watching. But unlike in Terry, the defendants here
    demonstrated no behavior that was clearly suspicious. The
    police here did not take the time to use the information from
    AMOC to see if the subjects started behaving in unusual and
    objectively suspicious ways. The officers here were much too
    hasty. They moved in to detain Eymann and Lyons well be‐
    fore they had grounds to set them apart from the general, law‐
    abiding population. The officers violated the Fourth Amend‐
    ment by detaining them.
    I do not suggest that the officers could not take any action
    on the basis of the information from AMOC. The alert from
    AMOC was to be on the lookout. It gave the officers a basis to
    investigate—to observe the subjects and even to talk with
    them if they were willing—but without (yet) restraining their
    liberty. See United States v. Williams, 
    731 F.3d 678
    , 693 (7th Cir.
    2013) (Hamilton, J., concurring) (anonymous call that a group
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    of men outside a bar were showing each other their guns jus‐
    tified a police response to investigate, but not to detain any‐
    one without more reason to suspect wrongdoing when state
    law allowed open possession of firearms).
    Stopping pilots and passengers based on only the infor‐
    mation relied on here would allow the police to detain a sub‐
    stantial portion of those flying lawfully. The information pro‐
    vided by AMOC gave the officers reason to investigate fur‐
    ther, but it fell short of providing the reasonable suspicion
    necessary to restrain anyone’s movements. The entire case
    against Eymann and Lyons was built on that flawed founda‐
    tion.
    III. Inevitable Discovery?
    The government argues that even if the arrest or stop was
    unlawful, the evidence seized from the plane should be ad‐
    mitted under the inevitable discovery doctrine. That doctrine
    allows the government to rescue the fruits of an unlawful
    search or seizure by showing, by a preponderance of the evi‐
    dence, that the evidence would have been discovered through
    lawful means independent from any illegal search or seizure.
    United States v. Jones, 
    72 F.3d 1324
    , 1330 (7th Cir. 1995).
    The wording is important: would have been discovered, as
    events actually unfolded, not hypothetically might have been
    discovered under a different and idealized set of circum‐
    stances. The government needs to show either that it would
    have obtained a warrant or that it would have been able to act
    under a valid exception to the warrant requirement. The dis‐
    trict court did not decide or make findings of fact on the inev‐
    itable discovery theory.
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    The majority forges ahead and makes its own factual find‐
    ings on this fact‐sensitive issue. With respect, that’s a mistake.
    First, inevitable discovery always asks for some degree of
    counterfactual speculation. The government’s brief offers sev‐
    eral hypotheticals as to how a dog might have been deployed
    lawfully to sniff the plane, even absent the invalid arrest/Terry
    stop and the defendants’ ensuing admissions. That argument
    falls short of showing that a dog inevitably would have been
    deployed to the plane. In fact, Chief Wilkinson conceded as
    much when he said in the federal suppression hearing that he
    would not have automatically deployed a drug‐sniffing dog
    to the plane. Other officers testified differently, but this is not
    a record where an appellate court should be making its own
    findings of fact in the first instance.
    Second, in this case there are legitimate questions about
    the use of this dog, his training, and his reliability. The state
    courts have already found that the dog was not properly cer‐
    tified at the time of these events. How does that affect the in‐
    evitability of lawful discovery? Third, it is not clear that a war‐
    rantless search of an airplane is subject to the same rules as a
    warrantless search of an automobile.
    It is possible that officers could have called a judge in the
    middle of the night to obtain a warrant after a positive alert
    from a reliable drug‐sniffing dog, and it is true that warrants
    are often granted on this basis. It is not at all clear on this rec‐
    ord that the officers would have actually done so. The scene
    suggests that officers had no real plan. Upon seeing Eymann
    and Lyons leave the airport, a federal agent made a spur‐of‐
    the‐moment decision to follow them in their courtesy car. All
    of the agents and officers then left the airport, leaving the
    plane unattended. Given the number of agents and officers
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    who converged on the hotel parking lot, surely one or two
    could have been assigned to a dog sniff of the plane if that
    really had been a foregone conclusion. Instead, when the dog
    was actually deployed, it was first sent to the hotel parking
    lot, not the plane. Given how events actually unfolded, the
    government must hypothesize that the officers would have:
    (1) deployed a drug dog to the plane, (2) executed a proper
    sniff, (3) gotten a reliable positive hit, (4) applied for a war‐
    rant, and (5) waited for a warrant. There are too many uncer‐
    tainties here for us to say confidently, at least without factual
    findings, that the government can satisfy the strict require‐
    ments of the inevitable discovery defense for an unlawful
    search.
    The government also argues that a warrant would not
    have been necessary because the automobile exception to the
    warrant requirement would have covered a hypothetical
    search of the plane based on a positive dog alert.1
    The automobile exception has a practical purpose: to allow
    officers to search a car under the “exigent circumstances” in
    which the vehicle is readily mobile. United States v. Castaldi,
    1Footnote 3 of the majority opinion criticizes the defendants for not
    raising the automobile exception question until their reply briefs. On ap‐
    peal, however, the question arose only in reply to the government’s reli‐
    ance on inevitable discovery as an alternate ground to affirm. The district
    court did not reach the inevitable discovery question, so defendants did
    not need to address it in their principal briefs on appeal. It is now clear,
    however, that affirmance of at least Lyons’s conviction depends on the in‐
    evitable discovery theory. The majority’s point about limited briefing of
    the issue thus only underscores the value of having the district court ad‐
    dress this fact‐intensive question in the first instance. The only court to
    have considered the issue until now, the Illinois trial court, rejected the
    inevitable discovery theory for the search of the airplane.
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    453 F.2d 506
    , 510 (7th Cir. 1971). Under that logic, the automo‐
    bile exception has been extended to other kinds of vehicles
    that are easy to drive away. See, e.g., California v. Carney, 
    471 U.S. 386
    , 393 (1985) (motor homes); United States v. Smith, 456
    F. App’x 200, 209 (4th Cir. 2011) (travel trailer); United States
    v. Navas, 
    597 F.3d 492
    , 501 (2d Cir. 2010) (tractor trailer).
    This plane was not necessarily so mobile as to have made
    seeking a warrant impractical. The plane was locked, the of‐
    ficers had its key, and it was located in a different place than
    Eymann and Lyons at the time of their arrests. Moreover, an
    airplane cannot be moved as quickly and easily as an automo‐
    bile. General aviation airports are not as public as open road‐
    ways. Planes cannot easily be lost in a stream of traffic, and
    flights can be tracked. Refueling a plane is not as simple as
    stopping a car at the next highway exit. It could not be easily
    stolen or broken into, and it did not offer a ready means of
    escape. In short, this plane was going nowhere without the
    officers’ express direction.
    The automobile exception has also been justified by the di‐
    minished expectation of privacy in an automobile. See, e.g.,
    United States v. Matthews, 
    32 F.3d 294
    , 299 (7th Cir. 1994);
    United States v. Markling, 
    7 F.3d 1309
    , 1319 (7th Cir. 1993) (au‐
    tomobile exception applied to a car in a motel parking lot be‐
    cause “[t]he considerations underlying the automobile excep‐
    tion,” namely, the car’s ready mobility and the driver’s re‐
    duced expectation of privacy, were present). Though air‐
    planes and airways are also regulated, a private airplane may
    offer much more privacy. An automobile is visible to the gen‐
    eral public and any passerby. It has windows and a wind‐
    shield that allow easy viewing of its driver, passengers, and
    contents. The interior of a private plane in flight is not at all
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    visible to the general public or even to people in other planes.
    Planes are not subject to being pulled over the way that auto‐
    mobiles are. There is little reason for pilots and passengers on
    private planes to think that law enforcement or the general
    public could easily access or see into their plane.
    I would not reach a conclusion on the government’s inev‐
    itable discovery defense. The better course here would be to
    remand these cases to the district court for factual findings in
    the first instance, including thorough explorations of the
    dog’s availability and reliability and whether the police could
    have lawfully searched the airplane without a warrant.