Ictsi Oregon, Inc. v. Ilwu ( 2022 )


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  •                 FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    ICTSI OREGON, INC., an Oregon          No. 20-35818
    corporation,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,       D.C. No.
    3:12-cv-01058-
    v.                          SI
    INTERNATIONAL LONGSHORE AND
    WAREHOUSE UNION;
    INTERNATIONAL LONGSHORE AND
    WAREHOUSE UNION, LOCAL 8,
    Defendants-Appellants.
    ICTSI OREGON, INC., an Oregon          No. 20-35819
    corporation,
    Plaintiff-Appellant,      D.C. No.
    3:12-cv-01058-
    v.                          SI
    INTERNATIONAL LONGSHORE AND
    WAREHOUSE UNION;                         OPINION
    INTERNATIONAL LONGSHORE AND
    WAREHOUSE UNION, LOCAL 8,
    Defendants-Appellees.
    2                   ICTSI OREGON V. ILWU
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the District of Oregon
    Michael H. Simon, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted December 1, 2021
    Portland, Oregon
    Filed January 18, 2022
    Before: Diarmuid F. O’Scannlain, Richard R. Clifton, and
    Jacqueline H. Nguyen, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge O’Scannlain
    SUMMARY *
    Labor Law / Appellate Jurisdiction
    The panel dismissed, for lack of jurisdiction under
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b), an appeal and a cross-appeal from the
    district court’s order addressing post-judgment motions
    following a jury verdict in favor of an employer on its claim
    that a union engaged in an illegal secondary boycott at the
    Port of Portland.
    The jury returned a verdict for more than $93.5 million
    for plaintiff ICTSI Oregon, Inc. Defendant International
    Longshore and Warehouse Union (“ILWU”) moved for
    judgment as a matter of law and new trial or remittitur. The
    district court denied outright the motion for new trial as to
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It
    has been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
    ICTSI OREGON V. ILWU                      3
    liability and also as to damages but conditioned its denial on
    ICTSI’s acceptance of remittitur to $19 million. ICTSI
    rejected remittitur of damages. The district court denied all
    other motions.
    The district court granted ILWU’s motion for
    certification of its post-trial order for interlocutory appeal
    under 
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b). The district court found that the
    jurisdictional requirements of § 1292(b) were satisfied by
    two questions: whether the district court correctly
    interpreted Mead v. Retail Clerks Int’l Ass’n, Loc. Union No.
    839, 
    523 F.2d 1371
     (9th Cir. 1975), in assigning ILWU the
    burdens of proving apportionment and divisibility of
    damages; and whether ICTSI lost its status as a secondary
    employer by entangling itself in the dispute between ILWU
    and the Port. On appeal, ILWU challenged the district
    court’s denial of judgment as a matter of law and the jury
    instructions. On cross-appeal, ICTSI challenged the district
    court’s grant of a new trial conditioned on remittitur.
    The panel held that the court of appeals may assert
    jurisdiction over an interlocutory appeal under § 1292(b) if
    two requirements are met. First, the district court must
    certify its order for appeal. To do so, it must determine that
    the order rests on a controlling question of law, there are
    substantial grounds for differences of opinion as to that
    question, and an immediate resolution may materially
    advance the termination of the litigation. Second, the court
    of appeals must agree that the requirements of § 1292(b) are
    met. Even when the court of appeals has jurisdiction over an
    issue under § 1292(b), it enjoys broad discretion to refuse to
    accept it.
    The panel held that the question on which ILWU relied
    was not a question of law because the parties’ dispute about
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    whether ICTSI became a primary employer under the
    circumstances of this case was a question of fact. The panel
    concluded that the Mead question was not addressed in the
    four corners of the certified post-judgment order and was not
    “material” to that order. The panel held that it therefore
    lacked jurisdiction under § 1292(b), and it dismissed the
    appeal and the cross-appeal.
    COUNSEL
    Dan Jackson (argued), Susan J. Harriman, and Brook
    Dooley, Keker Van Nest & Peters LLP, San Francisco,
    California, for Defendants-Appellants/Cross-Appellees.
    Michael T. Garone (argued), Andrew J. Lee, Jeffrey S. Eden,
    and Amanda T. Gamblin, Schwabe, Williamson & Wyatt
    PC, Portland, Oregon; Carter G. Phillips, Sidley Austin LLP,
    Washington, D.C.; for Plaintiff-Appellee/Cross-Appellant.
    Kevin J. Marrinan and John P. Sheridan, Marrinan &
    Mazzola Mardon P.C., New York, New York, for Amicus
    Curiae International Longshoremen’s Association.
    Michael E. Kenneally and Jonathan C. Fritts, Morgan Lewis
    & Bockius LLP, Washington, D.C., for Amicus Curiae
    Pacific Maritime Association.
    Klaus H. Hamm, Klarquist Sparkman LLP, Portland,
    Oregon; Catherine L. Fisk, Berkeley. California; for Amicus
    Curiae 11 Scholars and Professors of Labor History, Labor
    Law and the Constitution.
    ICTSI OREGON V. ILWU                       5
    E. Joshua Rosenkranz, Alyssa Barnard-Yanni, and Cesar A.
    Lopez-Morales, Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, New
    York, New York; Daryl and Stephanie A. Maloney, United
    States Chamber Litigation Center, Washington, D.C.; for
    Amicus Curiae Chamber of Commerce of the United States
    of America.
    OPINION
    O’SCANNLAIN, Circuit Judge:
    This case arises out of the high-profile labor dispute that
    led to the closing of Terminal 6 of the Port of Portland to
    ocean-going cargo for more than a year.
    I
    A
    On the west coast of the United States, the work of
    loading and unloading containers on and off international
    ocean-going vessels is typically performed by members of
    local unions affiliated with International Longshore and
    Warehouse Union (“ILWU National”). Shipowners’ Ass’n of
    the Pac. Coast, 
    7 NLRB 1002
    , 1007–14 (1938). Some of the
    containers are refrigerated and are known as “reefers.”
    While a reefer is off the vessel, it must be connected to a
    power source to maintain refrigeration. Handling reefers
    while they are off the vessels is known as “reefer work.”
    Under the collective-bargaining agreement between ILWU
    National and Pacific Maritime Association (“PMA”), when
    a PMA member has the right to assign reefer work, it must
    assign it to a union affiliated with ILWU National.
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    Before 2010, the Port of Portland (“the Port”), not a
    PMA member, had been assigning reefer work to members
    of International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
    (“IBEW”), a different union. In 2010, marine terminal
    operator ICTSI Oregon, Inc. (“ICTSI”), a PMA member,
    leased Terminal 6 from the Port. However, under the lease,
    the Port retained control over the reefer work and continued
    assigning it to members of IBEW.
    In 2012, upset by this arrangement, ILWU National and
    its affiliate, International Longshore and Warehouse Union
    Local 8 (collectively “ILWU”) engaged in high-profile work
    stoppages, slowdowns, and other coercive activity at
    Terminal 6. See, e.g., Richard Read, Port of Portland’s
    Troubled Terminal 6 Shuts for Second Day in a Row,
    Following Altercation, The Oregonian (Mar. 5, 2014,
    8:30 p.m.), https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2014/03/t
    roubled_port_of_portland_cont.html. The ocean-going
    cargo traffic ceased for more than a year. By 2017, ILWU’s
    actions forced ICTSI to buy back the remainder of its lease
    from the Port and to leave Terminal 6.
    B
    1
    In response to these actions, ICTSI filed charges against
    ILWU with the National Labor Relations Board (“NLRB”).
    The Administrative Law Judge (“ALJ”) found that ICTSI
    was a neutral, or secondary employer for purposes of the
    reefer dispute because the dispute was between the Port and
    ILWU. ILWU, 
    363 NLRB No. 47
     (Nov. 30, 2015); ILWU,
    
    363 NLRB No. 12
     (Sept. 24, 2015). Based on this finding,
    the agency held that, between May 2012 and August 2013,
    ILWU violated 
    29 U.S.C. § 158
    (b)(4)(B), prohibiting unions
    from interfering with secondary employers (ICTSI) with the
    ICTSI OREGON V. ILWU                       7
    purpose of coercing them into pressuring primary employers
    (the Port) to satisfy unions’ (ILWU) demands (assignment
    of reefer work). ILWU, 
    363 NLRB No. 47
    ; ILWU,
    
    363 NLRB No. 12
    . The DC Circuit affirmed. ILWU v.
    NLRB, 705 F. App’x 3, 4 (D.C. Cir. 2017); ILWU v. NLRB,
    705 F. App’x 1, 2–3 (D.C. Cir. 2017).
    2
    In this action, ICTSI seeks damages from ILWU for its
    violation of § 158(b)(4)(B). Before trial, interpreting this
    court’s decision in Mead v. Retail Clerks Int’l Ass’n, Loc.
    Union No. 839, 
    523 F.2d 1371
     (9th Cir. 1975), the district
    court assigned ICTSI the burden of proving three elements:
    (1) “[ILWU] engaged in . . . coercive job activity;”
    (2) “[o]btaining the reefer work was a substantial factor
    motivating that coercive activity, making it unlawful
    secondary activity;” and (3) “unlawful secondary activity
    was a substantial factor in causing ICTSI’s damages.” In
    turn, ILWU was allocated the burden of showing that
    ICTSI’s damages were attributable to other factors, such as
    lawful labor activity or outside causes, like lower customer
    demand. Further, if ILWU prevailed in showing that other
    factors caused ICTSI’s damages, it would have to show that
    the damages caused by its unlawful conduct and those other
    factors could be divided.
    After a ten-day trial, the jury returned a verdict for more
    than $93.5 million for ICTSI. Among other findings, the
    jurors concluded that all of ILWU’s actions were unlawful
    and that those actions were the sole cause of ICTSI’s
    damages. Accordingly, they did not reach the issue of
    divisibility.
    Later, ILWU moved for judgment as a matter of law
    (“JMOL”) and new trial or remittitur. It argued that ICTSI
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    failed to carry its burden of proof as to liability and damages.
    The court denied outright the motion for new trial as to
    liability and also as to damages but conditioned its denial on
    ICTSI’s acceptance of remittitur to $19 million. ICTSI
    rejected remittitur of damages. The court denied all other
    motions.
    Then, ILWU filed a motion asking the district court to
    certify its post-trial order for interlocutory appeal under
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b). The district court granted such motion.
    It found that two questions satisfied the jurisdictional
    requirements of that section. The first question was whether
    the district court “correctly interpreted Mead” when it
    assigned ILWU the burdens of proving apportionment and
    divisibility of damages. The second was whether “ICTSI lost
    its status as a ‘secondary employer’” by entangling itself in
    the dispute between ILWU and the Port.
    3
    In this Court, ILWU filed a petition for permission to
    appeal the certified order as required for interlocutory appeal
    jurisdiction under § 1292(b). ICTSI filed an answer
    opposing ILWU’s petition and, in the alternative, asking us
    for permission to cross-appeal. A motions panel of this Court
    granted permission to ILWU to appeal and to ICTSI to cross-
    appeal.
    On this interlocutory appeal, ILWU challenges the
    district court’s denial of JMOL and the jury instructions. On
    cross-appeal, ICTSI challenges the district court’s grant of
    new trial conditioned on remittitur.
    ICTSI OREGON V. ILWU                       9
    II
    As a threshold matter, we must decide if we have
    jurisdiction to hear this case. ILWU argues that the two
    questions identified by the district court satisfy the
    requirements for interlocutory appeal under § 1292(b) and,
    thus, grant us jurisdiction.
    A
    We tackle the second issue first. ILWU argues that the
    question of whether “ICSTI [sic] entangled itself in the
    ‘vortex’ of ILWU’s dispute with the Port . . . to such a degree
    that ICTSI lost its status as a ‘secondary employer’” satisfies
    the hallmarks of § 1292(b). We must decide whether ILWU
    has stated a question of law.
    1
    Under 
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b) parties may take an
    interlocutory appeal when “exceptional circumstances
    justify a departure from the basic policy of postponing
    appellate review until after the entry of a final judgment.”
    Coopers & Lybrand v. Livesay, 
    437 U.S. 463
    , 475 (1978);
    see also U.S. Rubber Co. v. Wright, 
    359 F.2d 784
    , 785 (9th
    Cir. 1966) (per curiam). Broadly, there are two requirements
    that must be met before we can assert jurisdiction over an
    interlocutory appeal.
    a
    The first jurisdictional requirement is that the district
    court must certify its order for appeal. To do so, it must
    determine that the order meets the three certification
    requirements outlined in § 1292(b): “(1) that there be a
    controlling question of law, (2) that there be substantial
    10                ICTSI OREGON V. ILWU
    grounds for difference of opinion [as to that question], and
    (3) that an immediate [resolution of that question] may
    materially advance the ultimate termination of the
    litigation.” In re Cement Antitrust Litig. (MDL No. 296),
    
    673 F.2d 1020
    , 1026 (9th Cir. 1981).
    A controlling question of law must be one of law—not
    fact—and its resolution must “materially affect the outcome
    of litigation in the district court.” 
    Id. at 1026
    ; see also
    Northwestern Ohio Adm’rs v. Walcher & Fox, 
    270 F.3d 1018
    , 1023 (6th Cir. 2001) (“Because this is an interlocutory
    appeal, we have no authority to review the district court’s
    findings of fact, but must confine our review to . . . questions
    of law.”); Clark-Dietz & Assocs.-Eng’rs v. Basic Const.,
    
    702 F.2d 67
    , 69 (5th Cir. 1983) (“[F]act-review questions
    [are] inappropriate for § 1292(b) review.”).
    The “substantial grounds” prong is satisfied when “novel
    legal issues are presented, on which fair-minded jurists
    might reach contradictory conclusions.” Reese v. BP Expl.
    (Alaska) Inc., 
    643 F.3d 681
    , 688 (9th Cir. 2011). For
    example, this prong is satisfied if “the circuits are in dispute
    on the question and the court of appeals of the circuit has not
    spoken on the point, if complicated questions arise under
    foreign law, or if novel and difficult questions of first
    impression are presented.” Couch v. Telescope Inc.,
    
    611 F.3d 629
    , 633 (9th Cir. 2010). However, the district
    court need not “await[] development of contradictory
    precedent” before concluding that the question presents a
    “substantial ground for difference of opinion.” Reese,
    
    643 F.3d at 688
    .
    Finally, the “materially advance” prong is satisfied when
    the resolution of the question “may appreciably shorten the
    time, effort, or expense of conducting” the district court
    proceedings. In re Cement, 673 F.2d at 1027. As to the
    ICTSI OREGON V. ILWU                        11
    timing of certification, the district court may certify the order
    for interlocutory appeal in the text of that order or in a
    separate order, known as the certification order. In re Benny,
    
    812 F.2d 1133
    , 1136–37 (9th Cir. 1987).
    b
    The second jurisdictional requirement is that the party
    seeking appeal must make an “application . . . [to this court]
    within ten days after the entry of the [certification] order.”
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b). The clock starts ticking from the
    moment the district court certifies the order, and not from the
    moment the order is issued. In re Benny, 
    812 F.2d at 1137
    .
    Typically, a motions panel of this court will then decide
    whether to grant or deny the application. See, e.g., Reese,
    
    643 F.3d at 688
    ; Couch, 
    611 F.3d at 632
    ; Kuehner v.
    Dickinson & Co., 
    84 F.3d 316
    , 318–19 (9th Cir. 1996). If the
    application is granted, the case will be assigned to a merits
    panel.
    The merits panel then must agree that the requirements
    of § 1292(b) are met. “The opinion of the district judge that
    a controlling question is involved, while deserving of careful
    consideration, is not binding upon this court . . . .” United
    States v. Woodbury, 
    263 F.2d 784
    , 786 (9th Cir. 1959).
    Similarly, although we “[do] not lightly overturn a decision
    made by a motions panel during the course of the same
    appeal, we do not apply the law of the case doctrine . . .
    strictly in that instance.” United States v. Houser, 
    804 F.2d 565
    , 568 (9th Cir. 1986), abrogated on other grounds by
    Christianson v. Colt Indus. Operating Corp., 
    486 U.S. 800
    ,
    816–817 & n.5 (1988); see also Kuehner, 
    84 F.3d at
    318–19.
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    c
    Even when this court has jurisdiction over an issue under
    § 1292(b), it enjoys broad discretion to refuse to accept it.
    “[T]he appellant . . . ‘has the burden of persuading the court
    of appeals that exceptional circumstances justify a departure
    from the basic policy of postponing appellate review until
    after the entry of a final judgment.’” Coopers, 
    437 U.S. at 475
    . Although there is little guiding that discretion in the
    text of § 1292(b) or our caselaw, it has been compared to the
    discretion the Supreme Court enjoys when reviewing
    petitions for certiorari. In re Convertible Rowing Exerciser
    Patent Litig., 
    903 F.2d 822
    , 822 (Fed. Cir. 1990). For
    example, this court may decline to exercise jurisdiction for
    reasons having little to do with the appeal itself, such as
    docket congestion. Coopers, 
    437 U.S. at 475
    . Indeed, it need
    not offer any reason at all. 16 Wright & Miller, Federal
    Practice and Procedure § 3929 (3d ed. 1998) (“[P]ermission
    might be denied without specifying reasons . . . .”).
    Similarly, nothing precludes this court from declining to
    assert jurisdiction after oral arguments. Molybdenum Corp.
    of Am. v. Kasey, 
    279 F.2d 216
    , 217 (9th Cir. 1960) (per
    curiam). Or from hearing some of the issues, but not
    others—including refusing to decide the question that
    provided the basis for certification. Yamaha Motor Corp.,
    U.S.A. v. Calhoun, 
    516 U.S. 199
    , 203–04 (1996). Thus, even
    when this court has interlocutory jurisdiction, it is free to
    decline to hear some or all the issues the parties raise on
    appeal.
    2
    Taking the foregoing into consideration, we must
    conclude that the question that ILWU relies on is a question
    of fact, not “of law.” See 
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b). As is evident
    from the plain text of § 1292(b), for a question to confer
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    interlocutory jurisdiction on this court it must be a “question
    of law.” Id.; see also Walcher & Fox, 270 F.3d at 1023;
    Clark-Dietz, 
    702 F.2d at 69
    ; Wright & Miller § 3930. The
    dispute between the parties is not about whether primary—
    as opposed to secondary—employers can recover damages
    for violation of § 158(b)(4)(B) (a question of law); rather the
    dispute is about whether ICTSI became a primary employer
    under the circumstances of this case (a question of fact).
    Ruling on this issue, the district court primarily relied on
    facts from the record. So did ILWU’s analysis in its opening
    and reply briefs and ICTSI’s in its answer.
    Indeed, such question does not present a substantial
    ground for disagreement as to the question of law. As we
    have explained, “[c]ourts traditionally will find that a
    substantial ground for difference of opinion exists where ‘the
    circuits are in dispute on the question and the court of
    appeals of the circuit has not spoken on the point, if
    complicated questions arise under foreign law, or if novel
    and difficult questions of first impression are presented.’”
    Couch, 
    611 F.3d at 633
    . That is not the case here, and ILWU
    does not argue otherwise. Such question, therefore, does not
    satisfy the requirements of § 1292(b) and cannot be the basis
    for jurisdiction in this Court.
    B
    ILWU also contends that there is another basis for
    jurisdiction: the separate question of whether the district
    court “correctly interpreted Mead” when it assigned ILWU
    the burdens of proving apportionment and divisibility of
    damages.
    The district court acknowledged and the parties do not
    dispute that the Mead question is not addressed in the four
    corners of the certified order. In that order, the district court
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    did not revisit its pre-trial rulings allocating the burdens of
    proof in view of Mead. As the court acknowledged, “[t]he
    two citations to Mead in the Post-Trial Opinion are not
    related to the Court’s interpretation of Mead currently
    challenged by ILWU related to . . . divisibility and
    apportionment of damages.” Nor did ILWU challenge those
    rulings in its post-trial motions.
    ILWU, however, argues that we may reach the Mead
    issue under In re Cinematronics, 
    916 F.2d 1444
     (9th Cir.
    1990) and Canela v. Costco Wholesale, 
    971 F.3d 845
     (9th
    Cir. 2020). The narrow issue before us is, then, whether a
    question not decided within the four corners of the certified
    order can confer jurisdiction on this court over such order.
    1
    When this court concludes that the question identified by
    the district court satisfies the requirements of § 1292(b), we
    have jurisdiction over any question within the four corners
    of the certified order—not just the identified controlling
    question. Yamaha, 
    516 U.S. at 205
    . Importantly, however,
    jurisdiction does not extend to other orders entered in the
    same case. 
    Id.
     (“The court of appeals may not reach beyond
    the certified order to address other orders made in the
    case.”); Deutsche Bank v. FDIC, 
    744 F.3d 1124
    , 1134–35
    (9th Cir. 2014) (“In keeping with the letter and spirit of
    § 1292(b), our precedent, and Supreme Court guidance, we
    limit the scope of this appeal to the certified order and
    decline to reach any issues that are not encompassed within
    the certified order issued by the district court.”).
    We have recognized an exception to the statute’s
    jurisdictional ambit: our interlocutory jurisdiction extends to
    a question outside the order when such question is “material”
    to the certified order. Cinematronics, 916 F.2d at 1449.
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    Cinematronics concerned a bankruptcy proceeding. Id.
    at 1446–47. In a first order, the bankruptcy court held that
    the claims before it were part of the “core bankruptcy
    proceedings” and, thus, it could issue “a final and binding
    judgment.” Id. at 1447. It also found that the litigants had a
    right to jury trial on those claims. Id. However, it doubted
    that it had the authority to conduct a jury trial and asked the
    district court to do it instead. Id. In a second order, the district
    court found “that bankruptcy courts have authority to
    conduct jury trials in core proceedings.” Id. at 1448. It did
    not, however, revisit the bankruptcy court’s holding that the
    claims were part of core proceedings. Id. The district court
    then certified its order for interlocutory appeal to this court.
    Id.
    We held that we had jurisdiction under § 1292(b) to
    review the bankruptcy court’s conclusion that the claims
    were part of the core proceedings even though that holding
    was not part of the order certified by the district court. Id.
    at 1449. We observed that “the validity of the district court’s
    decision . . . is inextricably tied to the bankruptcy judge’s
    earlier ruling that . . . [the] claims constitute core bankruptcy
    proceedings.” Id. The court summarized its reading of
    § 1292(b) by noting that in “a situation[] where
    reconsideration of a ruling material to an order provides
    grounds for reversal of the entire order,” this court may
    address issues outside the four corners of the properly
    certified order. Id. (emphasis added).
    Relying on Cinematronics, this court also reached
    outside the certified order in Canela. In that case, the district
    court decided, in a first order, that it had subject matter
    jurisdiction over the lawsuit. Id. at 848. In a second order, it
    denied Costco’s motion for partial summary judgment on the
    issue of whether Canela had Article III standing to pursue
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    some of its claims. Id. The district court then certified the
    second order for interlocutory appeal after determining that
    the standing question passed the § 1292(b) test. Canela v.
    Costco Wholesale Corp., No. 13-CV-03598-BLF, 
    2018 WL 3008532
    , at *1–3 (N.D. Cal. June 15, 2018). On appeal, this
    court concluded that it had jurisdiction to review the district
    court’s jurisdictional ruling, made in the first order. Canela,
    917 F.3d at 849. “Because the district court’s subject matter
    jurisdiction is ‘material’ to the summary judgment before us,
    we address it here,” the court noted. Id. (quoting
    Cinematronics, 916 F.2d at 1449). This conclusion was
    consistent with Cinematronics because, just as in that case,
    reversing the district court’s subject matter jurisdiction
    decision would have nullified the certified order.
    Cinematronics, 916 F.2d at 1449.
    Thus, Cinematronics and Canela allow panels to assert
    interlocutory jurisdiction over issues not included in the four
    corners of the properly certified order when such issues are
    “material” to such order. Id.
    2
    However, the posture of this interlocutory appeal is
    unlike those of the appeals in Cinematronics and Canela. In
    those cases, as discussed above, the district court identified
    questions that properly satisfied the requirements of
    § 1292(b) within the four corners of the certified orders. For
    example, in Cinematronics, the district court certified the
    order based on the question of whether “bankruptcy courts
    have authority to conduct jury trials in core proceedings.”
    Cinematronics, 916 F.2d at 1448. Similarly, in Canela, the
    controlling question in the order was whether Canela had
    Article III standing. Canela, 
    2018 WL 3008532
    , at *1–3.
    Once this court had jurisdiction to “permit an appeal to be
    taken from such order,” 
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b), based on those
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    questions, it was able to extend its interlocutory jurisdiction
    to the bankruptcy court’s determination that the “claims
    constitute[d] core bankruptcy proceedings,” Cinematronics,
    916 F.2d at 1449, and to the district court’s conclusion that
    it had subject matter jurisdiction, Canela, 971 F.3d at 849.
    Here, by contrast, the only question in the four corners
    of the certified order that purportedly satisfies § 1292(b) is
    the “secondary employer” question. As discussed above, that
    question fails because it is not a question of law. Thus, unlike
    in Cinematronics and Canela, we cannot establish
    jurisdiction over the certified post-trial order. It follows that
    we cannot extend that jurisdiction to the Mead issue decided
    in the pre-trial ruling. The two precedents ILWU is relying
    on are, therefore, inapplicable here.
    Accordingly, we lack jurisdiction under § 1292(b) to
    consider this question. In light of our disposition, the parties
    will have to continue their litigation in the district court, at
    least for now.
    III
    The appeals are DISMISSED for lack of jurisdiction. 1, 2
    1
    Even assuming we had jurisdiction, we would be inclined to
    exercise our discretion not to hear this case as the issues raised by the
    parties are factual, focusing on damages rather than liability. Cf.
    Coopers, 
    437 U.S. at 475
    .
    2
    PMA’s motion for leave to file an amicus curiae brief in support
    of ILWU is GRANTED.