Ludwin Lopez-Aguilar v. William Barr , 921 F.3d 898 ( 2019 )


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  •                    FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    LUDWIN ISRAEL LOPEZ-AGUILAR,                   No. 17-73153
    Petitioner,
    Agency No.
    v.                          A074 394 680
    WILLIAM P. BARR, Attorney General
    of the United States,                            OPINION
    Respondent.
    On Petition for Review of an Order of the
    Board of Immigration Appeals
    Argued and Submitted March 5, 2019
    Portland, Oregon
    Filed April 23, 2019
    Before: Susan P. Graber and Marsha S. Berzon, Circuit
    Judges, and John R. Tunheim, * Chief District Judge.
    Opinion by Judge Tunheim;
    Dissent by Judge Berzon
    *
    The Honorable John R. Tunheim, Chief United States District
    Judge for the District of Minnesota, sitting by designation.
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    SUMMARY **
    Immigration
    Denying Ludwin Israel Lopez-Aguilar’s petition for
    review of a decision of the Board of Immigration Appeals,
    the panel held that third-degree robbery under Oregon
    Revised Statutes § 164.395 is a categorical theft offense and,
    therefore, an aggravated felony under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1101
    (a)(43)(G), and the panel concluded that the record
    supported the denial of deferral of removal under the
    Convention Against Torture.
    The BIA concluded that Lopez-Aguilar was removable
    for an aggravated felony theft offense based on his
    conviction for third-degree robbery under Oregon Revised
    Statutes § 164.395.
    The panel explained that, in the context of aggravated
    felonies, a generic theft offense is defined as (1) a taking of
    property or an exercise of control over property (2) without
    consent (3) with the criminal intent to deprive the owner of
    rights and benefits of ownership, even if such deprivation is
    less than total or permanent.
    Lopez-Aguilar contended that section 164.395 is not
    categorically a generic theft offense because: (1) it
    incorporates theft by deception, which covers consensual
    takings, and (2) it incorporates unauthorized use of a vehicle,
    **
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It
    has been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    which does not require an intent to deprive the owner of the
    rights and benefits of ownership.
    The panel concluded that section 164.395 theoretically
    could cover a consensual taking due to its incorporation of
    theft by deception, explaining that the statute does not
    require that force be used or threatened against the owner of
    the property. The panel observed that, for example, the
    statute could theoretically apply to a situation where a person
    obtained property from its owner, by deception, and then
    used force against a third party. However, the panel
    concluded that there is no realistic probability that Oregon
    would prosecute such conduct under the statute.
    The panel also concluded that the incorporation of
    unauthorized use of a vehicle under Oregon Revised Statutes
    § 164.135(1)(b)-(c) into section 164.395 does not make the
    statute overbroad. Lopez-Aguilar contended that Oregon’s
    unauthorized use of a vehicle statute criminalizes the use of
    a vehicle even where the vehicle has been temporarily and
    consensually placed in the defendant’s care. However,
    emphasizing that the generic definition includes a taking
    where the deprivation is less than total or permanent, the
    panel concluded that none of the conduct covered by
    Oregon’s unauthorized use of a vehicle statute falls outside
    of the generic theft offense definition.
    Finally, the panel concluded that substantial evidence
    supported the denial of CAT relief, explaining that the record
    did not compel a finding that Lopez-Aguilar will more likely
    than not face torture by his father or gang members.
    Dissenting, Judge Berzon disagreed with the majority’s
    conclusion that Lopez-Aguilar was required to establish a
    realistic probability that the statute would be applied in a
    nongeneric manner. Judge Berzon wrote that, under the
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    circuit’s case law, Lopez-Aguilar was not required to
    establish such a realistic probability because section
    164.395’s text is on its face broader than a generic theft
    offense under the Immigration and Nationality Act. Judge
    Berzon also wrote that, even if Lopez-Aguilar were required
    to make that showing, Oregon case law demonstrates that
    section 164.395 realistically applies to conduct falling
    outside generic theft.
    Therefore, Judge Berzon would hold that section
    164.395 is not categorically a generic theft offense, deem the
    issue of divisibility waived by the government, and grant the
    petition for review.
    COUNSEL
    Jennifer K. Lesmez (argued), Law Offices of Jennifer
    Lesmez, Allyn, Washington, for Petitioner.
    Imran Raza Zaidi (argued) and Matthew A. Spurlock, Trial
    Attorneys; John S. Hogan, Assistant Director; Joseph H.
    Hunt, Assistant Attorney General; Office of Immigration
    Litigation, Civil Division, United States Department of
    Justice, Washington, D.C.; for Respondent.
    OPINION
    TUNHEIM, Chief District Judge:
    Petitioner Ludwin Israel Lopez-Aguilar, a native and
    citizen of Guatemala, petitions for review of a final order of
    the Board of Immigration Appeals (“BIA”) finding him
    removable pursuant to section 237(a)(2)(A)(iii) of the
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    Immigration and Nationality Act (“INA”) because of his
    conviction under Oregon Revised Statutes section 164.395
    and denying his application for protection under the
    Convention Against Torture (“CAT”). We have jurisdiction
    under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1252
    . We deny Lopez-Aguilar’s petition
    because we conclude that: (1) section 164.395 is a
    categorical theft offense and, therefore, an aggravated felony
    under section 101(a)(43)(G) of the INA; and (2) the record
    supports the BIA’s denial of CAT relief.
    BACKGROUND
    Lopez-Aguilar is a native and citizen of Guatemala. He
    entered the United States in 1989, when he was three years
    old, and became a legal permanent resident on March 12,
    2001, when his application for suspension of deportation
    was granted.
    In Guatemala, Lopez-Aguilar’s father abused his mother
    physically, sexually, and verbally. Lopez-Aguilar’s father
    also abused him, starting when he was less than a year old,
    and threatened to kill him. Since Lopez-Aguilar entered the
    United States, he has never returned to Guatemala, but his
    mother has returned twice, once for three months and once
    for three weeks. Lopez-Aguilar’s father did not contact her
    or bother her on those trips, and he has not tried to contact
    Lopez-Aguilar since 1995. Nevertheless, Lopez-Aguilar
    fears that, if he is returned to Guatemala, his father will
    follow through on the threat to kill him.
    Lopez-Aguilar was formerly a member of the Norteño
    gang. He became affiliated with the Norteños at age 16 and
    was initiated at age 18. He has numerous visible tattoos that
    he believes make him identifiable as a Norteño. His role as
    a Norteño involved fighting with members of rival gangs,
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    including Mara Salvatrucha and Barrio 18, both of which
    operate throughout Guatemala.
    Lopez-Aguilar left the gang in 2009. He has not been
    targeted by any gangs in the United States, and no one has
    harmed or looked for him. However, he fears that he will be
    targeted by police or by rival gangs, if returned to
    Guatemala, because he will be recognizable as a Norteño and
    seen as suspicious and a foreigner.
    I. Lopez-Aguilar’s Conviction
    In 2014, Lopez-Aguilar was convicted of third-degree
    robbery in violation of Oregon Revised Statutes
    section 164.395 and sentenced to 13 months in prison.
    Section 164.395 provides:
    (1) A person commits the crime of robbery in the
    third degree if in the course of committing or
    attempting to commit theft or unauthorized
    use of a vehicle as defined in ORS 164.135
    the person uses or threatens the immediate
    use of physical force upon another person
    with the intent of:
    (a) Preventing or overcoming resistance to
    the taking of the property or to retention
    thereof immediately after the taking; or
    (b) Compelling the owner of such property or
    another person to deliver the property or
    to engage in other conduct which might
    aid in the commission of the theft or
    unauthorized use of a vehicle.
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    (2) Robbery in the third degree is a Class C
    felony.
    Section 164.395 incorporates Oregon’s theft definition,
    which includes “theft by deception.” 
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 164.015
    (4). It also incorporates Oregon’s Unauthorized
    Use of a Vehicle statute, which criminalizes, in relevant part:
    (b) Having custody of a vehicle, boat or aircraft
    pursuant to an agreement between the person
    or another and the owner thereof whereby the
    person or another is to perform for
    compensation a specific service for the owner
    involving the maintenance, repair or use of
    such vehicle, boat or aircraft, the person
    intentionally uses or operates it, without
    consent of the owner, for the person’s own
    purpose in a manner constituting a gross
    deviation from the agreed purpose; or
    (c) Having custody of a vehicle, boat or aircraft
    pursuant to an agreement with the owner
    thereof whereby such vehicle, boat or aircraft
    is to be returned to the owner at a specified
    time, the person knowingly retains or
    withholds possession thereof without consent
    of the owner for so lengthy a period beyond
    the specified time as to render such retention
    or possession a gross deviation from the
    agreement.
    
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 164.135
    (1)(b)–(c).
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    II. Immigration Court Proceedings
    Because of Lopez-Aguilar’s robbery conviction, an
    immigration judge (“IJ”) found him removable as an alien
    convicted of an aggravated felony as defined in two sections
    of the INA: (1) section 101(a)(43)(F), which defines crimes
    of violence, and (2) section 101(a)(43)(G), which defines
    theft offenses for which the term of imprisonment is at least
    one year. The IJ also denied Lopez-Aguilar’s petition for
    deferral of removal under the CAT. The IJ ordered Lopez-
    Aguilar removed to Guatemala.
    III. BIA Appeal
    The BIA dismissed Lopez-Aguilar’s appeal. It disagreed
    with the IJ’s conclusion that Lopez-Aguilar’s conviction
    under Oregon Revised Statutes section 164.395 was for a
    crime of violence under section 101(a)(43)(F) of the INA but
    agreed that the conviction was for a theft offense under
    section 101(a)(43)(G).
    The BIA rejected Lopez-Aguilar’s argument that
    section 164.395 is overbroad because it covers consensual
    takings by incorporating theft by deception. The BIA
    concluded that the statute also requires taking of property by
    force, which negates the consensual nature of theft by
    deception. Accordingly, the BIA found that Lopez-Aguilar
    had not demonstrated a realistic probability that an
    individual could be convicted under section 164.395 for a
    consensual taking.
    The BIA also rejected Lopez-Aguilar’s argument that
    section 164.395 is overbroad because it covers unauthorized
    use of a vehicle, which does not require an intent to deprive
    the owner of the rights and benefits of ownership. The BIA
    concluded that the remainder of the statute required an intent
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    to prevent or overcome resistance to the taking, to retain the
    property immediately after the taking, or to compel another
    to deliver the property. Accordingly, the BIA found that
    Lopez-Aguilar had not demonstrated a realistic probability
    that an individual could be convicted under section 164.395
    for unauthorized use of a vehicle without the requisite intent.
    Finally, the BIA agreed with the IJ’s conclusion that
    Lopez-Aguilar had not established that he would more likely
    than not face a particularized risk of torture with the
    acquiescence of a public official in Guatemala.
    This timely petition for review followed.
    JURISDICTION AND STANDARD OF REVIEW
    We have jurisdiction to review final orders of removal
    based on a petitioner’s commission of an aggravated felony
    to the extent that the petition “raises . . . questions of law.”
    Ngaeth v. Mukasey, 
    545 F.3d 796
    , 800 (9th Cir. 2008) (per
    curiam) (quoting Vizcarra-Ayala v. Mukasey, 
    514 F.3d 870
    ,
    872 (9th Cir. 2008)). Whether a particular offense is an
    “aggravated felony” under the INA is a question of law that
    we review de novo. 
    Id.
    We also have jurisdiction to review the BIA’s denial of
    CAT relief where, as here, “the IJ did not rely on [the
    petitioner’s] conviction . . . but instead denied relief on the
    merits.” Alphonsus v. Holder, 
    705 F.3d 1031
    , 1036–37 (9th
    Cir. 2013), abrogated on other grounds as recognized in
    Guerrero v. Whitaker, 
    908 F.3d 541
     (9th Cir. 2018). We
    review denial of CAT relief for substantial evidence. Owino
    v. Holder, 
    771 F.3d 527
    , 531 (9th Cir. 2014) (per curiam).
    The substantial evidence standard is “extremely deferential,”
    and we must uphold the BIA’s findings “unless the evidence
    presented would compel a reasonable finder of fact to reach
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    a contrary result.” Gebhart v. SEC, 
    595 F.3d 1034
    , 1043
    (9th Cir. 2010) (quoting Monjaraz-Munoz v. INS, 
    327 F.3d 892
    , 895 (9th Cir.), amended by 
    339 F.3d 1012
     (9th Cir.
    2003) (order)).
    DISCUSSION
    I. Section 164.395 and Generic Theft Offenses
    Under the INA, a conviction for a generic theft offense
    that results in a prison term of at least one year is an
    aggravated felony. See 
    8 U.S.C. § 1101
    (a)(43)(G). To
    determine whether a particular conviction is for a theft
    offense, we use the categorical and modified categorical
    approaches of Taylor v. United States, 
    495 U.S. 575
     (1990),
    and Shepard v. United States, 
    544 U.S. 13
     (2005). Under
    those approaches, we compare Lopez-Aguilar’s statute of
    conviction (
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 164.395
    ) with the generic crime
    of theft to determine whether the latter encompasses the
    former. See Hernandez-Cruz v. Holder, 
    651 F.3d 1094
    ,
    1100 (9th Cir. 2011). In the context of an aggravated felony
    theft offense under section 101(a)(43)(G) of the INA, the
    generic crime of theft is defined as “[1] a taking of property
    or an exercise of control over property [2] without consent
    [3] with the criminal intent to deprive the owner of rights and
    benefits of ownership, even if such deprivation is less than
    total or permanent.” 
    Id.
     at 1100–01 (quoting Carrillo-Jaime
    v. Holder, 
    572 F.3d 747
    , 750 (9th Cir. 2009)).
    Lopez-Aguilar contends that section 164.395 is not
    categorically a generic theft offense because: (1) it
    incorporates theft by deception, which covers consensual
    takings, and (2) it incorporates unauthorized use of a vehicle,
    which does not require an intent to deprive the owner of the
    rights and benefits of ownership.
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    A. Theft by Deception
    We conclude that, although section 164.395 theoretically
    could cover a consensual taking due to its incorporation of
    theft by deception, there is no realistic probability that
    Oregon would prosecute such conduct under the statute. To
    find that a statute of conviction is broader than a generic
    removable offense definition, there must be “a realistic
    probability, not a theoretical possibility, that the State would
    apply its statute to conduct that falls outside the generic
    definition.” Gonzales v. Duenas-Alvarez, 
    549 U.S. 183
    , 193
    (2007).
    To be convicted under section 164.395, a defendant
    must:
    use[] or threaten[] the immediate use of
    physical force upon another person with the
    intent of: (a) Preventing or overcoming
    resistance to the taking of the property or to
    retention thereof immediately after the
    taking; or (b) Compelling the owner of such
    property or another person to deliver the
    property or to engage in other conduct which
    might aid in the commission of the theft or
    unauthorized use of a vehicle.
    
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 164.395
    (1) (emphasis added). Because the
    statute does not require that force be used or threatened
    against the owner of the property, the text of the statute could
    theoretically cover situations involving consensual takings.
    For example, under subsection (a), a defendant could be
    convicted if he entered a residential building, obtained
    property from a resident through deception, and used force
    against a security guard on his way out of the building in
    order to retain the property. Under subsection (b), a
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    defendant could be convicted if she convinced an owner, by
    deception, to give her property but used force against a third
    party to compel that third party to deliver the consensually
    obtained property to her. In either scenario, the property
    would have been taken by consent of the owner, and the
    force used would not negate the owner’s consent because the
    force was used against a third party without the owner’s
    knowledge.
    However, these two scenarios represent merely
    theoretical – not realistic – possibilities. Indeed, under
    subsection (a), the threat or force must be used “immediately
    after the taking.” Therefore, it is unlikely that a defendant
    would be convicted for using or threatening force against a
    third party unless the force occurred in the presence of the
    owner, which would negate consent. 1
    1
    The dissent disagrees, citing State v. Tolbert for the proposition
    that Oregon courts prosecute robbery in “situations involving the use of
    force during flight.” 
    433 P.3d 501
    , 505 (Or. Ct. App. 2018). But the
    Tolbert court also noted that “[a]bsent evidence of ‘close pursuit,’ . . .
    intervening time, distance, and events may well break the link between
    the theft and the subsequent use of force.” 
    Id. at 506
    . In fact, the Tolbert
    court reversed the defendant’s conviction because “[a]bout 10 to 15
    minutes had passed” between the theft and the use of force. 
    Id.
     This
    case does not convince us that there is a realistic possibility that Oregon
    courts would prosecute conduct falling outside the generic definition of
    theft.
    The dissent also cites two cases in which Oregon courts prosecuted
    defendants for using force against security guards as examples of takings
    followed by threats or use of force against third parties. But neither case
    involved a consensual taking. See Pereida-Alba v. Coursey, 
    342 P.3d 70
    , 71 (Or. 2015); State v. Tolson, 
    546 P.2d 1115
    , 1116 (Or. Ct. App.
    1976). Furthermore, Oregon treats security guards as authorized agents
    of the owner. See 
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 131.655
    ; see also, e.g., AFSCME v.
    City of Lebanon, 
    388 P.3d 1028
    , 1038 (Or. 2017) (holding that
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    Moreover, Lopez-Aguilar has not presented, and we are
    unable to find, any Oregon case in which a defendant was
    prosecuted for conduct falling outside the generic definition
    of theft. Accordingly, we find that section 164.395 is not
    overbroad, qualifies as a categorical theft offense and,
    therefore, constitutes an aggravated felony under
    section 101(a)(43)(G) of the INA.
    B. Unauthorized Use of a Vehicle
    We also conclude that the incorporation of unauthorized
    use of a vehicle in section 164.395 does not make it
    overbroad. Lopez-Aguilar argues that subsections (b) and
    (c) of Oregon’s Unauthorized Use of a Vehicle statute
    criminalize use of a vehicle without the intent to deprive the
    owner of the rights and benefits of ownership because they
    apply when the vehicle has been temporarily and
    consensually placed in the defendant’s care. See 
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 164.135
    (1)(b)–(c). However, in the context of
    aggravated felonies, a generic theft offense is defined as
    “[1] a taking of property or an exercise of control over
    property [2] without consent [3] with the criminal intent to
    deprive the owner of rights and benefits of ownership, even
    if such deprivation is less than total or permanent.”
    Hernandez-Cruz, 651 F.3d at 1100–01 (emphasis added)
    (quoting Carrillo-Jaime, 
    572 F.3d at 750
    ). None of the
    employers can be liable for their employees’ conduct); Hoke v. May
    Dep’t Stores Co., 
    891 P.2d 686
     (Or. Ct. App. 1995) (holding that a
    department store is liable for the wrongful acts of its security guard);
    Gibson v. Safeway Stores, Inc., 
    764 P.2d 548
     (Or. 1988) (holding that
    the grocery store to which a security-guard service company assigned the
    guard was his joint employer). Thus, even a conviction for a consensual
    taking followed by force against a security guard would not fall outside
    the generic theft definition because security guards are not third parties
    under Oregon law.
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    conduct covered by Oregon’s Unauthorized Use of a Vehicle
    statute falls outside this definition. Accordingly, we hold
    that section 164.395 qualifies as a categorical theft offense
    and, therefore, as an aggravated felony under
    section 101(a)(43)(G) of the INA.
    II. CAT Relief
    To establish eligibility for CAT relief, Lopez-Agular
    must establish that, if removed to Guatemala, he will more
    likely than not be tortured. See 8 C.F.R. 1208.16(c)(2).
    Torture is defined as the intentional infliction of severe pain
    or suffering, whether physical or mental, for purposes such
    as intimidation, punishment, coercion, or discrimination, if
    “inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or
    acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an
    official capacity.” 8 C.F.R. 1208.18(a)(1). In determining
    the likelihood that an applicant will be tortured, courts must
    consider “all evidence relevant to the possibility of future
    torture,” including evidence that the applicant was tortured
    in the past. 8 C.F.R. 1208.16(c)(3).
    The BIA agreed with the IJ that Lopez-Aguilar did not
    show past torture and noted that Lopez-Aguilar did not
    challenge that finding on appeal. It found that Lopez-
    Aguilar had not shown that he would more likely than not
    face a particularized risk of torture in Guatemala at the hands
    of his father or rival gangs. The BIA noted that Lopez-
    Aguilar’s father had not tried to contact him since 1995,
    neither Lopez-Aguilar nor his mother knew where his father
    was or even if his father was alive, and his mother had
    returned to Guatemala twice without incident. The BIA also
    noted that Lopez-Aguilar had faced no serious problems
    with rival gangs since leaving his gang, Lopez-Aguilar
    testified that rival gangs in the United States had left him
    alone because he told them he was no longer an active gang
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    member, and Lopez-Aguilar had not shown that gangs abide
    by different rules of conduct depending on their
    geographical location. Finally, the BIA reviewed country
    conditions evidence and expert testimony and found that
    Lopez-Aguilar did not establish that he would more likely
    than not be tortured by the government or that a public
    official would acquiesce to harm he might endure at the
    hands of private actors. The BIA’s conclusions are
    supported by substantial evidence.
    Even considering evidence that Lopez-Aguilar was
    tortured by his father in the past, the record does not compel
    a finding that his father will more likely than not torture him
    upon his return. While Lopez-Aguilar suffered horrific
    abuse at the hands of his father, the abuse happened when
    Lopez-Aguilar was a small child. Lopez-Aguilar is now an
    adult, and his father has not tried to contact him in more than
    twenty years. Lopez-Aguilar’s mother, who likewise was
    subjected to horrific abuse at the hands of his father, was not
    contacted by his father on either of her return trips to
    Guatemala. Furthermore, Lopez-Aguilar points to no
    evidence in the record that any future mistreatment by his
    father would be inflicted with the consent or acquiescence of
    a public official or a person acting in an official capacity.
    The record does not compel a finding that gang members
    will more likely than not torture Lopez-Aguilar or that police
    will more likely than not consent to such torture. Lopez-
    Aguilar notes that his expert witness, Dr. Kirkland, testified
    that he would be “caught up in violence” because of his
    tattoos and that police decline to intervene in gang conflicts.
    But while Dr. Kirkland concluded that Lopez-Aguilar would
    likely be “harassed” by gang members, which “could rise to
    the level of torture,” he did not go so far as to say that Lopez-
    Aguilar was likely to be tortured by gang members.
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    The record also does not compel a finding that police will
    more likely than not torture Lopez-Aguilar. Dr. Kirkland
    testified that police were likely to monitor, stop, and
    interrogate him, but these actions may not rise to the level of
    torture.
    Finally, the record does not compel a finding that police
    or the government would consent to Lopez-Aguilar’s torture.
    While there is evidence that the Guatemalan police are
    struggling to address violence, there is also evidence that the
    Guatemalan government is taking active steps to combat
    illegal activities.    The BIA correctly noted that “a
    government does not ‘acquiesce’ to torture where the
    government actively, albeit not entirely successfully,
    combats the illegal activities.” Del Cid Marroquin v. Lynch,
    
    823 F.3d 933
    , 937 (9th Cir. 2016) (per curiam).
    Ultimately, “[w]e are not free to look anew at the
    testimony and then measure the soundness of the [BIA’s]
    decision by what we would have found.” Donchev v.
    Mukasey, 
    553 F.3d 1206
    , 1213 (9th Cir. 2009) (footnote
    omitted).     Evidence does not “compel the opposite
    conclusion just because it would also support a different
    result.” 
    Id.
     Because the BIA’s denial of CAT relief is
    supported by substantial evidence, we deny Lopez-Aguilar’s
    petition on this ground.
    CONCLUSION
    We deny Lopez-Aguilar’s petition for review. Lopez-
    Aguilar is removable for having committed an aggravated
    felony, and the BIA permissibly concluded that Lopez-
    Aguilar failed to show that he was likely to be tortured if
    returned to Guatemala.
    Petition DENIED.
    BERZON, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    I respectfully dissent.
    The majority recognizes that section 164.395 of the
    Oregon Revised Statutes is, by its terms, broader than a
    generic theft offense under the Immigration and Nationality
    Act (INA). Concluding that Lopez-Aguilar failed to
    establish a “realistic probability” the state statute would be
    applied in a nongeneric manner, the majority holds that
    Oregon third-degree robbery categorically constitutes
    generic theft under the INA. I do not agree that Lopez-
    Aguilar was required to make such a showing and, in any
    event, believe that Oregon case law does establish such a
    realistic probability. I would therefore hold that the state
    crime is not categorically a generic theft offense. 1
    I
    Under the INA, theft is defined as the “taking of property
    or an exercise of control over property without consent with
    the criminal intent to deprive the owner of rights and benefits
    of ownership, even if such deprivation is less than total or
    permanent.” Gonzales v. Duenas-Alvarez, 
    549 U.S. 183
    , 189
    (2007) (emphasis added) (quoting Penuliar v. Gonzales,
    
    435 F.3d 961
    , 969 (9th Cir. 2006)). The BIA has accordingly
    1
    Having concluded that third-degree robbery under section 164.395
    is not categorically an aggravated theft offense, we would normally
    proceed to the next step of the categorical approach—that is, divisibility.
    Here, however, the government has failed to argue divisibility. I would
    therefore deem this issue waived and grant Lopez-Aguilar’s petition for
    review. See Aguirre Barbosa v. Barr, No. 15-72092, 
    2019 WL 1388298
    ,
    at *4 (9th Cir. Mar. 28, 2019) (holding that the government waived
    divisibility as to whether section 164.395 constitutes a crime involving
    moral turpitude). Because I would conclude that Lopez-Aguilar is not
    removable, I would not address whether he is entitled to relief under the
    Convention Against Torture.
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    recognized that a taking with consent does not constitute a
    generic theft offense. See Matter of Garcia-Madruga, 
    24 I. & N. Dec. 436
    , 440–41 (B.I.A. 2008).
    Under section 164.395 of the Oregon Revised Statutes,
    third-degree robbery has three elements. First, the defendant
    must “commit[] or attempt[] to commit theft or unauthorized
    use of a vehicle.” 
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 164.395
    (1). Second, the
    defendant must, during “the course of committing or
    attempting to commit” the theft or unauthorized use of a
    vehicle, “use[] or threaten[] the immediate use of physical
    force upon another person.” 
    Id.
     Third and finally, as to the
    use or threatened use of physical force, the defendant must
    act with the specific intent either to “[p]revent[] or
    overcom[e] resistance to the taking of the property or to
    retention thereof immediately after the taking” or to
    “[c]ompel[] the owner of such property or another person to
    deliver the property or to engage in other conduct which
    might aid in the commission of the theft or unauthorized use
    of a vehicle.” 
    Id.
     § 164.395(1)(a)–(b).
    Here, the BIA correctly recognized that the plain text of
    section 164.395 does not require that the defendant engage
    in a nonconsensual taking. To the contrary, Oregon law
    expressly provides that the first element—theft or attempted
    theft—can be satisfied through a consensual taking. Under
    section 164.015 of the Oregon Revised Statutes, “theft” is
    defined as including “theft by deception,” a taking that
    requires consent. Id. § 164.015. As the BIA observed here,
    however, the statute’s second and third elements require the
    use of force. The BIA noted that it had previously concluded,
    in Matter of Ibarra, 
    26 I. & N. Dec. 809
     (B.I.A. 2016), that
    “[t]here is no meaningful difference between a taking of
    property accomplished against the victim’s will and one
    where his ‘consent’ to parting with his property is coerced
    LOPEZ-AGUILAR V. BARR                       19
    through force, fear, or threats.” 
    Id. at 811
    . Given the force
    requirement in section 164.395, the BIA reasoned, it would
    not be possible to commit third-degree robbery while
    engaging in a consensual taking.
    As the majority appears to recognize, the BIA misread
    the statute. Section 164.395 requires only that the “use[] or
    threaten[ed] . . . immediate use of physical force” be “upon
    another person.” 
    Or. Rev. Stat. § 164.395
    (1). That person
    need not be the property owner. Thus, under the plain text of
    the statute, it is possible to apply the force needed for a third-
    degree robbery against a third person while engaging in a
    taking that is consensual with regard to the robbery victim.
    The state statute at issue in Matter of Ibarra, by contrast,
    explicitly required that “the felonious taking of personal
    property in the possession of another . . . against his will.”
    26 I. & N. Dec. at 810 n.2 (emphasis added) (quoting 
    Cal. Penal Code § 211
    ); see also 
    id. at 812
     (“[T]he jury
    instructions for section 211 of the California Penal Code
    require as an element that the defendant take property from
    another ‘against that person’s will.’” (citation omitted)).
    II
    Considering the statutory text discussed above, the
    majority rightly concludes that, on its face, section 164.395
    defines third-degree robbery more broadly than a generic
    theft offense under the INA. Under our case law, that should
    have been enough. “Where . . . a state statute explicitly
    defines a crime more broadly than the generic definition, no
    ‘legal imagination’ is required to hold that a realistic
    probability exists that the state will apply its statute to
    conduct that falls outside the generic definition of the
    crime.” United States v. Grisel, 
    488 F.3d 844
    , 850 (9th Cir.
    2007) (citation omitted) (quoting Duenas-Alvarez, 
    549 U.S. at 193
    ), abrogated on other grounds by United States v. Stitt,
    20                   LOPEZ-AGUILAR V. BARR
    
    139 S. Ct. 399
     (2018); accord Chavez-Solis v. Lynch,
    
    803 F.3d 1004
    , 1009–10 (9th Cir. 2015). Under those
    circumstances, “[t]he state statute’s greater breadth is
    evident from its text.” Grisel, 
    488 F.3d at 850
    . 2
    The majority instead posits that, because section 164.395
    requires that force be used “immediately after the taking,” it
    would be “unlikely that a defendant would be convicted for
    using or threatening force against a third party unless the
    force occurred in the presence of the owner, which would
    negate consent.” Maj. Op. at 12. The majority is incorrect.
    First, to the extent the majority suggests that application
    of the plain text of section 164.395 in this nongeneric
    manner is possible but unlikely, that argument is foreclosed
    by our case law. As long as the application of the statute’s
    text in the nongeneric manner is not a logical impossibility,
    the relative likelihood of application to nongeneric conduct
    is immaterial. See United States v. Valdivia-Flores, 
    876 F.3d 1201
    , 1208 (9th Cir. 2017). For that reason, where “the
    difference in breadth is apparent on the face of the statute,”
    we have rejected arguments that a state statute “does not
    ‘extend significantly beyond’ its federal analogue for
    purposes of categorical comparison.” 
    Id.
     (emphasis added)
    (quoting Duenas-Alvarez, 
    549 U.S. at 193
    ); see also Cerezo
    v. Mukasey, 
    512 F.3d 1163
    , 1167–68 (9th Cir. 2008). Any
    nongeneric application evident from the statutory text means
    that the state statute cannot be a categorical match. See
    Valdivia-Flores, 876 F.3d at 1208.
    2
    The BIA recognized this principle but reasoned that there was an
    “apparent conflict” between section 164.395’s force elements and the
    possibility of theft by deception. As already discussed, there is no such
    conflict.
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    If the majority instead believes that section 164.395 can
    never be applied in this nongeneric manner, it
    misunderstands the statute. Under Oregon law, “[r]obbery
    can include situations involving the use of force during
    flight.” State v. Tolbert, 
    433 P.3d 501
    , 505 (Or. Ct. App.
    2018). In shoplifting cases, for example, “[f]light readily
    includes situations in which the thief is confronted directly
    upon leaving the store, and it extends beyond the store
    during fresh pursuit.” 
    Id.
     Thus, contrary to the majority’s
    suggestion, the force required for robbery need not be
    applied “in the presence of the owner.” Maj. Op. at 12. 3
    Further, Oregon law provides that force used during
    flight can be applied against third parties. As the Oregon
    Supreme Court has emphasized, “the term ‘victim’ is not
    used in any of the robbery statutes” and “the statutes
    generally only describe the person against whom force must
    be used as ‘any person’ or ‘another person.’” State v.
    Hamilton, 
    233 P.3d 432
    , 435 (Or. 2010). Thus, “the
    legislature deliberately chose not to limit the reach of the
    robbery statutes to the use of force against the owner.” 
    Id. at 436
    .
    Cases involving such third-party force are commonly
    prosecuted. One regularly recurring scenario involves
    security guards. Pereida-Alba v. Coursey, 
    342 P.3d 70
     (Or.
    2015), for example, involved a defendant who entered a
    3
    By allowing force used during flight to satisfy section 164.395’s
    force requirement, Oregon law diverged from the common law definition
    of robbery. “[U]nder the traditional view it is not robbery to steal
    property without violence or intimidation (e.g., to obtain it by stealth or
    fraud or sudden snatching), although the thief later, in order to retain the
    stolen property or make good his escape, uses violence or intimidation
    upon the property owner.” 3 Wayne R. LaFave, Substantive Criminal
    Law § 20.3(e) (3d ed. 2017).
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    grocery store, filled a backpack with food, and left the store
    without paying. Id. at 71. When confronted by a security
    guard, the defendant pulled a gun from the backpack and
    pointed it at the guard. Id. at 72. The defendant was
    eventually arrested and charged with first-degree robbery in
    violation of section 164.415, which incorporates the
    definition of third-degree robbery under section 164.395. Id.
    The indictment accordingly alleged that the defendant “did
    unlawfully and knowingly while in the course of committing
    theft . . . use and threaten the immediate use of physical force
    upon [the security guard].” Id. at 72 (alteration in original).
    Likewise, in State v. Tolson, 
    546 P.2d 1115
     (Or. Ct. App.
    1976), a defendant shoplifted three pairs of pants from a
    department store. 
    Id. at 1116
    . Upon observing the theft,
    security guards followed the defendant out of the store; the
    defendant began running before she was caught by one of
    the guards. 
    Id.
     The defendant “fought him, using a shopping
    bag, fists and one of her shoes as weapons.” 
    Id.
     The Oregon
    Court of Appeals held that this force was sufficient for a
    second-degree robbery conviction under section 164.405,
    which likewise incorporates the definition of third-degree
    robbery under section 164.395. 
    Id. at 1117
    . As Tolson
    explained, “[i]t is not stretching the meaning of the word to
    hold that, where hot pursuit continues for 455 feet with
    overtaking and use of force at that point, the entire action
    was ‘immediate.’” 
    Id.
    The majority notes that “Oregon treats security guards as
    authorized agents of the owner.” Maj. Op. at 12 n.2. Whether
    that is true of the security guards in the cases discussed above
    is unclear. 4 But that ambiguity simply underscores the fact
    4
    Whether a security guard is considered an employee of a store is a
    fact-specific inquiry that depends on the degree of control exercised by
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    that section 164.395 is phrased such that no analysis of
    whether the force victim is the property owner is required.
    See Hamilton, 233 P.3d at 435. Moreover, the principle
    underlying the security-guard cases is that force used against
    an intervening party is enough to trigger application of
    section 164.395. There is no reason that this principle would
    not also extend to a police officer, acquaintance, or other
    Good Samaritan attempting to stop a theft.
    To be sure, where “[t]he government contends that such
    a literal application of the statute is not realistic,” we must
    “consider whether [state] courts have interpreted the scope
    of [the statute of conviction] more narrowly so as to make it
    applicable only to conduct” consistent with the federal
    analogue. Cerezo, 
    512 F.3d at
    1167–68; accord Cortez-
    Guillen v. Holder, 
    623 F.3d 933
    , 935 (9th Cir. 2010). Oregon
    law does recognize that “intervening time, distance, and
    events may well break the link between the theft and the
    subsequent use of force.” Tolbert, 433 P.3d at 506. But that
    principle does not constrain section 164.395 “so as to make
    it applicable only to conduct” involving a nonconsensual
    taking. Cerezo, 
    512 F.3d at
    1167–68. Even with the
    “immediately after” limitation, it is evident from the
    examples discussed above that the use or threatened use of
    force need not occur “in the presence of the owner” and
    “negate consent,” as the majority suggests. Maj. Op. at 12.
    III
    Because section 164.395’s text is on its face broader than
    the INA’s generic theft offense, I do not believe that Lopez-
    Aguilar was required to establish a realistic probability that
    the store. See Gibson v. Safeway Stores, Inc., 
    764 P.2d 548
    , 548–49 (Or.
    1988).
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    Oregon would apply its statute in a nongeneric manner. But
    even if Lopez-Aguilar were required to make that showing,
    Oregon case law demonstrates that section 164.395
    realistically applies to conduct falling outside generic theft.
    In determining whether there is “a realistic probability,
    not a theoretical possibility, that the State would apply its
    statute to conduct that falls outside the generic definition of
    a crime,” Duenas-Alvarez, 
    549 U.S. at 193
    , our decisions
    have not required a case involving an actual prosecution of
    the state offense in a nongeneric manner. Indeed, we have
    observed that, for some crimes, it is entirely possible that
    “the absence of appellate decisions” should be expected,
    given “the relatively light sentence that would result,”
    thereby “encourag[ing] prosecutors to charge violations that
    carry more substantial sentences.” United States v. Brown,
    
    879 F.3d 1043
    , 1050 (9th Cir. 2018). Under those
    circumstances, “[c]onvictions . . . generally result from
    negotiations and guilty pleas, which do not produce
    appeals.” 
    Id.
    Consistent with this observation, one scholar has noted
    that it would “make[] little sense” to require a state appellate
    decision involving an actual prosecution of nongeneric
    conduct before concluding that there is a realistic probability
    that the state statute would be so applied:
    Nearly all criminal cases—approximately
    90 percent—are resolved through plea
    bargain. And because plea agreements will
    typically include a waiver of a defendant’s
    appellate rights, most cases involve no
    appeal. That means the cases that end up
    appealed are a small fraction of total cases.
    And even where there is an appeal, most
    cases are disposed of in short decisions that
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    come with almost no discussion of the facts
    of the case. As a result, only a miniscule
    percentage of all prosecutions under a
    particular statute will end up producing an
    appellate decision that includes a discussion
    of the facts of the case. Given that fact, there
    is no reason to think that the cases that end up
    in an appellate decision are in any way
    representative—let alone exhaustive—of the
    types of cases that the state prosecutes.
    Doug Keller, Causing Mischief for Taylor’s Categorical
    Approach: Applying “Legal Imagination” to Duenas-
    Alvarez, 
    18 Geo. Mason L. Rev. 625
    , 659–60 (2011)
    (footnotes omitted).
    Rather, we have concluded that the requirement that a
    “realistic probability” be shown is satisfied when application
    to nongeneric conduct would logically follow from the
    statute’s text and applicable precedents. Chavez-Solis v.
    Lynch, for example, considered whether a California
    conviction for the possession of child pornography was
    broader than its federal analogue. 803 F.3d at 1006.
    Although both the state and federal crimes required that the
    illicit material depict a minor engaging in “sexual conduct,”
    the state statute’s definition of “sexual conduct” swept more
    broadly. Id. at 1008. Chavez-Solis rejected the government’s
    argument that there was not a “realistic probability” that the
    state would apply the statute to a depiction of “sexual
    conduct” under the nongeneric aspects of the statute, noting
    that one state appellate decision had construed “sexual
    conduct” in the nongeneric manner. Id. at 1010. Although
    that state appellate decision did not involve the statute of
    conviction, Chavez-Solis reasoned that prosecution for
    nongeneric conduct under the statute of conviction would
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    logically follow, because the state appellate decision
    involved the same statutory phrase, “sexual conduct.” Id. at
    1011–12.
    Similarly, Medina-Lara v. Holder, 
    771 F.3d 1106
     (9th
    Cir. 2014), concluded that a California conviction for illegal
    firearm possession was not a categorical match with the
    generic offense for firearm possession under federal law,
    because the state statute criminalized possession of antique
    firearms, while the federal analogue did not. 
    Id. at 1116
    .
    Although there were no cases involving prosecutions under
    the statute of conviction for antique firearms, Medina-Lara
    noted that there were cases involving prosecutions of
    antique-firearm possession under similar statutes. 
    Id.
     Those
    cases, Medina-Lara reasoned, logically suggested that
    prosecution for antique-firearm possession under the statute
    of conviction was possible, thereby establishing a realistic
    probability under Duenas-Alvarez. 
    Id.
    Here, two strands of Oregon case law indicate that state
    courts would apply section 164.395 to a consensual taking.
    First, as already discussed, it is abundantly clear that the
    force required under section 164.395 can be applied against
    persons other than the property owner. That fact pattern that
    appears not infrequently in cases involving shoplifting. See,
    e.g., Pereida-Alba, 342 P.3d at 71–72; Tolson, 
    546 P.2d 1116
    –17.
    Second, the Oregon Supreme Court has noted that a
    consensual taking—namely, theft by deception—can occur
    during a shoplifting offense. In State v. Fonte, 
    422 P.3d 202
    (Or. 2018), a defendant on two occasions took a pair of jeans
    from the sales floor of a department store and returned them
    for cash. 
    Id. at 203
    . On the second instance, the defendant
    was stopped by security guards before he was able to leave
    the store. 
    Id.
     The defendant was ultimately charged with two
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    counts of first-degree theft on a theory of “theft by
    receiving.” 
    Id.
     at 203–04. The Oregon Supreme Court noted,
    however, that “[t]he facts also supported charges of theft by
    deception of the money, which, given the value, would have
    been a misdemeanor.” 
    Id.
     at 204 n.1. Had the defendant in
    Fonte used force against the security guards, as the
    defendants in Pereida-Alba and Tolson had, there is at least
    a realistic probability he would have been prosecuted for
    robbery.
    That Oregon law would allow for such a prosecution is
    consistent with modern developments in the crime of
    robbery. As already discussed, under the traditional common
    law, “it is not robbery to steal property without violence or
    intimidation,” even if “the thief later, in order to retain the
    stolen property or make good his escape, uses violence or
    intimidation upon the property owner.” 3 LaFave, supra,
    § 20.3(e); see also supra note 3. This limitation reflects that,
    in accordance with “the general principle of criminal law . . .
    that the defendant’s conduct and his state of mind must
    concur,” the traditional crime of robbery required “that the
    defendant’s larcenous conduct (his taking of the victim’s
    property) and his violence-or-intimidation conduct . . .
    concur.” 3 LaFave, supra, § 20.3(e). Because Oregon—as
    well as other states—has expanded the definition of robbery
    to include force during flight, “a different result is often
    possible today.” Id.; see also Tolbert, 433 P.3d at 505. One
    such result is that, as one treatise suggests, robbery may now
    include situations when the theft has been committed “by
    stealth or fraud.” 3 LaFave, supra, § 20.3(e).
    IV
    In sum, third-degree robbery under section 164.395 of
    the Oregon Revised Statutes is, on its face, not a categorical
    theft offense as defined by the INA, and that mismatch is
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    confirmed by Oregon case law. Because the majority’s
    application of the realistic-probability test is not only
    unnecessary but also erroneous, I respectfully dissent.