Nicarnor-Romero v. Mukasey ( 2008 )


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  •                     FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    ARTURO NICANOR-ROMERO,                    
    Petitioner,                  No. 03-73564
    v.
            Agency No.
    A92-881-306
    MICHAEL B. MUKASEY, Attorney
    General,                                            OPINION
    Respondent.
    
    On Petition for Review of an Order of the
    Board of Immigration Appeals
    Submitted February 7, 2006*
    Pasadena, California
    Filed April 24, 2008
    Before: Harry Pregerson, William A. Fletcher, and
    Jay S. Bybee, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge William A. Fletcher;
    Partial Concurrence by Judge Pregerson;
    Dissent by Judge Bybee
    *The panel unanimously finds this case suitable for decision without
    oral argument. See Fed. R. App. P. 34(a)(2).
    4309
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    COUNSEL
    Steven A. Guilin, San Diego, California, for the petitioner.
    Linda S. Wernery, Janice K. Redfern, U.S. Department of
    Justice, Washington, D.C., for the respondent.
    OPINION
    W. FLETCHER, Circuit Judge:
    In 1990, a jury convicted Arturo Nicanor-Romero of a vio-
    lation of California Penal Code § 647.6(a). At the time of his
    conviction, § 647.6(a) provided, “Every person who annoys
    or molests any child under the age of 18 shall be punished by
    a fine . . . , by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding
    one year, or by both the fine and imprisonment.” It has been
    changed in immaterial respects since Nicanor-Romero’s con-
    viction. A violation of § 647.6(a) is a misdemeanor.
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    The government now seeks to remove Nicanor-Romero to
    Mexico, based on his § 647.6(a) conviction, for having com-
    mitted a “crime involving moral turpitude” within the mean-
    ing of 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(i)(I). We hold that the
    government has failed to show that Nicanor-Romero’s
    § 647.6(a) conviction makes him removable on this ground.
    I.   Background
    Nicanor-Romero was born in Mexico in 1956. In April
    1981, he entered the United States without inspection. Soon
    thereafter, he applied for adjustment of status to lawful per-
    manent resident. His application was granted on January 11,
    1990. He has lived here as a lawful permanent resident, work-
    ing steadily and paying taxes, since then.
    On July 3, 1990, Nicanor-Romero was charged in San
    Diego County, California, with two misdemeanor counts of
    annoying or molesting a child under the age of eighteen in
    violation of § 647.6(a). The criminal complaint sheds little
    light on the underlying facts of the § 647.6(a) violation. For
    both counts, it simply alleges that, “on or about June 29,
    1990, . . . a misdemeanor was committed by said defendant
    who did annoy or molest” a girl “under the age of 18 years
    . . . .”
    On August 7, 1990, a jury convicted Nicanor-Romero of
    violating § 647.6(a). The verdict sheet reveals little about the
    precise nature of Nicanor-Romero’s offense. It states only,
    “We, the jury, . . . find the defendant, Arturo Romero
    Nicanor, GUILTY of a misdemeanor who did annoy or
    molest a child under the age of 18 years, in violation of Penal
    Code section 647.6 . . . .” Nicanor-Romero received a 163-
    day sentence. As one of the conditions of probation, he was
    ordered to register as a sex offender. See Cal. Penal Code
    § 290(a)(2)(A).
    On January 8, 2001, ten-and-a-half years after his misde-
    meanor conviction, the government began removal proceed-
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    ings against him based on the conviction under § 647.6(a).
    The Notice to Appear charged Nicanor-Romero as subject to
    removal under § 237(a)(2)(A)(iii) of the Immigration and
    Nationality Act (“INA” or “the Act”), 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)
    (A)(iii), as an alien convicted of an aggravated felony “as
    defined in section 101(a)(43)(A) of the Act, a law relating to
    sexual abuse of a minor.”
    The government filed an additional charge of removal in a
    second Notice to Appear on May 7, 2001. The second Notice
    contains an apparent error. It charged Nicanor-Romero as
    removable pursuant to
    Section 237(a)(2)(A)(ii) of the Immigration and
    Nationality Act, as amended, by the Immigration Act
    of 1990, in that [he was] an alien who has been con-
    victed of a crime involving moral turpitude commit-
    ted within five years after the date of admission.
    The government almost certainly meant to rely on INA
    § 237(a)(2)(A)(i)(I) rather than INA § 237(a)(2)(A)(ii). As
    codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(ii), INA § 237(a)(2)
    (A)(ii) makes an alien removable if he or she “at any time
    after admission is convicted of two or more crimes involving
    moral turpitude, not arising out of a single scheme of criminal
    misconduct . . . .” Yet the government never argued before the
    agency that Nicanor-Romero’s § 647.6(a) conviction satisfied
    the criterion of “two or more crimes involving moral turpitude
    not arising out of a single scheme of criminal misconduct.”
    Given that Nicanor-Romero’s § 647.6(a) conviction was for
    conduct occurring on a single date, it is highly unlikely that
    it satisfies this criterion. On the other hand, INA § 237(a)(2)
    (A)(i)(I), 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(i)(I), makes an alien
    removable if he or she “is convicted of a crime involving
    moral turpitude committed within five years . . . after the date
    of admission[.]” Nicanor-Romero has made no argument
    against removal based on the government’s charge of remov-
    ability under § 1227(a)(2)(A)(ii) rather than § 1227(a)(2)(A)
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    (i)(I). There is no difference in the definition of “moral turpi-
    tude” in these two sections.
    Nicanor-Romero applied for cancellation of removal pursu-
    ant to 8 U.S.C. § 1229b(a), and for waiver of deportation pur-
    suant to former INA § 212(c), 8 U.S.C. § 1182(c) (repealed
    1996). After a brief hearing, an Immigration Judge (“IJ”) con-
    cluded that a § 647.6(a) violation categorically constitutes
    both an “aggravated felony” and a “crime involving moral
    turpitude.” He denied Nicanor-Romero’s requested relief and
    issued a final order of removal. The Board of Immigration
    Appeals (“BIA”) affirmed, and this petition followed.
    II.   Jurisdiction
    We have jurisdiction under the REAL ID Act. The
    jurisdiction-stripping provision of the INA provides that noth-
    ing in the statute “which limits or eliminates judicial review,
    shall be construed as precluding review of constitutional
    claims or questions of law . . . .” 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(D).
    Whether a crime is an aggravated felony or involves moral
    turpitude is a question of law that we have jurisdiction to
    review. Notash v. Gonzales, 
    427 F.3d 693
    , 696 (9th Cir.
    2005); Martinez-Perez v. Gonzales, 
    417 F.3d 1022
    , 1024-25
    (9th Cir. 2005).
    III.   Merits
    Nicanor-Romero makes several arguments challenging his
    final order of removal. We need respond only to his argument
    that the government failed to establish that his § 647.6(a) con-
    viction was categorically either an “aggravated felony” or a
    “crime involving moral turpitude.”
    A.   “Aggravated Felony”
    In United States v. Pallares-Galan, 
    359 F.3d 1088
    , 1102-03
    (9th Cir. 2004), we held that a violation of § 647.6(a) is not
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    categorically an aggravated felony, and in particular, not “sex-
    ual abuse of a minor,” as defined in 8 U.S.C.
    § 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii). We reasoned that sexual abuse “requires
    more than improper motivation; it requires conduct that is
    abusive.” 
    Id. at 1101-02.
    In contrast, conduct proscribed
    under § 647.6(a), “regardless of a defendant’s lewd intent,”
    may “involve neither harm or injury to a minor, nor the touch-
    ing of or by a minor,” and therefore “does not constitute ‘sex-
    ual abuse of a minor’ . . . .” 
    Id. at 1102.
    The government
    concedes that under Pallares-Galan it cannot establish that
    Nicanor-Romero committed an aggravated felony for pur-
    poses of the INA.
    B.   “Crime Involving Moral Turpitude”
    1.   Standard of Review
    Whether a crime involves “moral turpitude” requires us to
    address two issues of statutory interpretation.
    First, what is the definition of “crime involving moral turpi-
    tude” under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(i)(I)? We defer to the
    BIA’s interpretation of the INA, provided that the interpreta-
    tion is reasonable and not inconsistent with the statute’s plain
    meaning. Cuevas-Gaspar v. Gonzales, 
    430 F.3d 1013
    , 1021
    (9th Cir. 2005). As we discuss below, however, the BIA has
    provided little concrete guidance. We agree with the Seventh
    Circuit that, “[s]ince the Board hasn’t done anything to partic-
    ularize the meaning of ‘crime involving moral turpitude,’ giv-
    ing . . . deference to its determination of that meaning has no
    practical significance.” Mei v. Ashcroft, 
    393 F.3d 737
    , 739
    (7th Cir. 2004).
    Second, does a petitioner’s misdemeanor conviction under
    § 647.6(a) come within the definition of “crime involving
    moral turpitude”? Because this inquiry requires an analysis of
    a California penal statute rather than the INA, we do not defer
    to the BIA’s interpretation on this question. Rather, “[w]e
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    review de novo whether the statutory basis for an alien’s con-
    viction defines a crime involving moral turpitude.” Gonzalez-
    Alvarado v. INS, 
    39 F.3d 245
    , 246 (9th Cir. 1994).
    2.   Definition of “Crime Involving Moral Turpitude”
    Although “the term ‘moral turpitude’ has deep roots in the
    law,” Jordan v. De George, 
    341 U.S. 223
    , 227 (1951), it has
    been criticized as an “undefined and undefinable standard,”
    
    id. at 235
    (Jackson, J., dissenting). The phrase “moral turpi-
    tude” first appeared in federal immigration law in 1891, when
    Congress barred “persons who have been convicted of a fel-
    ony or other infamous crime or misdemeanor involving moral
    turpitude” from entering the country. Act of Mar. 3, 1891, 26
    Stat. 1084. In 1950, a Senate Report admitted that, despite
    repeated use, the phrase “ha[d] not been definitely and con-
    clusively defined by the courts.” S. Rpt. No. 1515, at 351
    (Apr. 20, 1950). The 1950 Report defined a crime involving
    moral turpitude as “ ‘[a]n act of baseness, vileness, or deprav-
    ity, in the private and social duties which a man owes to his
    fellow man or to society . . . .’ ” 
    Id. (quoting United
    States ex
    rel. Mylius v. Uhl, 
    203 F. 152
    , 154 (S.D.N.Y. 1913)). The
    Report, however, refused to commit to a single method for
    determining whether a crime involves moral turpitude, and
    instead endorsed a case-by-case approach. 
    Id. [1] The
    BIA defines “crime involving moral turpitude” as
    “conduct that shocks the public conscience as being inher-
    ently base, vile, or depraved, contrary to the rules of morality
    and the duties owed between man and man, either one’s fel-
    low man or society in general.” Matter of Short, 20 I. & N.
    Dec. 136, 139 (BIA 1989). The BIA concedes that “moral tur-
    pitude” is a “nebulous concept,” 
    id., and that
    it does not apply
    a single set of criteria to determine which offenses qualify.
    For example, the BIA has declared that “[t]he essence of
    moral turpitude is an evil or malicious intent,” In re Tran, 21
    I. & N. Dec. 291, 293 (BIA 1996), and that a crime involving
    moral turpitude “is per se morally reprehensible and intrinsi-
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                   4319
    cally wrong or malum in se,” In re Ajami, 22 I. & N. Dec.
    949, 950 (BIA 1999). However, the BIA has also stated that
    a crime may qualify as one of moral turpitude even if the
    offense is malum prohibitum or does not require the prosecu-
    tion to establish specific intent. See In re Torres-Varela, 23 I.
    & N. Dec. 78, 83 (BIA 2001) (“[A]lthough crimes involving
    moral turpitude often involve an evil intent, such a specific
    intent is not a prerequisite to finding that a crime involves
    moral turpitude . . . . While it is generally the case that a crime
    that is ‘malum in se’ involves moral turpitude and that a
    ‘malum prohibitum’ offense does not, this categorization is
    more a general rule than an absolute standard.”); see also
    Matter of Medina, 15 I. & N. Dec. 611, 614 (BIA 2001)
    (holding that violation of Illinois assault statute requiring a
    mens rea of recklessness was a crime involving moral turpi-
    tude).
    We have held that “[c]rimes of moral turpitude are of basi-
    cally two types, those involving fraud and those involving
    grave acts of baseness or depravity.” Carty v. Ashcroft, 
    395 F.3d 1081
    , 1083 (9th Cir. 2005). We look to “accepted moral
    standards” to determine what conduct falls within the latter
    category. See Rodriguez-Herrera v. INS, 
    52 F.3d 238
    , 240
    (9th Cir. 1995) (internal quotation marks omitted). Under this
    approach, we have held that some crimes, such as incest with
    a minor and spousal abuse, clearly involve moral turpitude.
    See 
    Gonzalez-Alvarado, 39 F.3d at 246-47
    (incest with a
    minor); Gragreda v. INS, 
    12 F.3d 919
    , 922 (9th Cir. 1993)
    (spousal abuse). In contrast, we have held that battery, bur-
    glary, and possession of a firearm are not categorically crimes
    involving moral turpitude. Galeana-Mendoza v. Gonzales,
    
    465 F.3d 1054
    , 1055 (9th Cir. 2006) (battery); Cuevas-
    
    Gaspar, 430 F.3d at 1020
    (burglary); Komarenko v. INS, 
    35 F.3d 432
    , 435 (9th Cir. 1994) (firearm offense).
    We have not relied on a consistent or easily applied set of
    criteria to reach these results. The distinction between malum
    in se and malum prohibitum is one important indicator, see,
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    e.g., Beltran-Tirado v. INS, 
    213 F.3d 1179
    , 1184 (9th Cir.
    2000), but not all malum in se crimes categorically involve
    moral turpitude. See 
    Galeana-Mendoza, 465 F.3d at 1055
    (concluding that battery does not categorically involve moral
    turpitude); 
    Cuevas-Gaspar, 430 F.3d at 1019-20
    (concluding
    that burglary does not categorically involve moral turpitude).
    We have declared that whether a crime involves moral turpi-
    tude “turns on whether evil intent . . . is an essential element
    of the crime.” Goldeshtein v. INS, 
    8 F.3d 645
    , 647 (9th Cir.
    1993). But, “[w]hile mental state is an important factor,” we
    have also “reject[ed] the contention that all crimes requiring
    some degree of evil intent are necessarily crimes involving
    moral turpitude.” 
    Rodriguez-Herrera, 52 F.3d at 241
    .
    [2] A crime’s actus reus requirement is an important con-
    sideration. However, “it is the combination of the base or
    depraved act and the willfulness of the action that makes the
    crime one of moral turpitude.” 
    Grageda, 12 F.3d at 922
    (emphasis added). A crime with trivial consequences does not
    necessarily involve moral turpitude just because it requires the
    defendant to act with criminal intent. Conversely, an offense
    with serious consequences may involve moral turpitude even
    if the defendant acts only recklessly when committing it.
    Compare Matter of Wojtkow, 18 I. & N. Dec. 111 (BIA 1981)
    (concluding that second-degree manslaughter, which requires
    a showing of recklessness, involves moral turpitude), with In
    re Fualaau, 21 I. & N. Dec. 475, 477 (BIA 1996) (concluding
    that simple assault, which also requires a showing of reckless-
    ness, does not involve moral turpitude). See also 
    Mei, 393 F.3d at 740
    (“[C]rimes deemed not to involve moral turpitude
    . . . are either very minor crimes that are deliberate or graver
    crimes committed without a bad intent, most clearly strict-
    liability crimes.”). Thus, both the actus reus and the mens rea
    must be considered in concert to determine whether the
    behavior they describe is sufficiently culpable to be labeled
    morally turpitudinous.
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    3.   Application to Misdemeanor Conviction under
    § 647.6(a)
    Based on the above guidance, such as it is, we now turn to
    Nicanor-Romero’s crime. To determine if his misdemeanor
    conviction under § 647.6(a) is a conviction for a “crime
    involving moral turpitude,” we apply the categorical and
    modified-categorical approaches. See 
    Cuevas-Gaspar, 430 F.3d at 1017
    .
    a.    Categorical Approach
    i.   Section 647.6(a)
    [3] The categorical approach, first articulated in Taylor v.
    United States, 
    495 U.S. 575
    (1990), requires that we “make
    a categorical comparison of the elements of the statute of con-
    viction to the generic definition” of moral turpitude, and then
    “decide whether the conduct proscribed [in the statute] is
    broader than, and so does not categorically fall within, this
    generic definition.” Huerta-Guevara v. Ashcroft, 
    321 F.3d 883
    , 887 (9th Cir. 2003). Under the categorical approach, we
    look only to the fact of the conviction and the statutory defini-
    tion of the alien’s offense. 
    Cuevas-Gaspar, 430 F.3d at 1017
    .
    “The issue is not whether the actual conduct constitutes a
    crime involving moral turpitude, but rather, “whether the full
    range of conduct encompassed by the statute constitutes a
    crime of moral turpitude.” 
    Id. (emphasis added).
    We note at the outset that we agree entirely with Judge
    Bybee’s sentiments about the moral horror of sexual predation
    on children. Judge Bybee writes, and we agree:
    Perhaps no conduct so unequivocally violates Amer-
    ican ethics as that which encompasses both of these
    categories, namely sexual predation upon the most
    vulnerable members of our society. Children in
    particular—because of their naiveté, their depen-
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    dence on adults, and their inability to understand,
    flee, or resist such advances—are vulnerable to
    adults who seek to take advantage of them sexually.
    Thus, we find such conduct especially repulsive and
    worthy of the severest moral opprobrium.
    Dissent at 4345. The question in this case, however, is
    whether the behavior prohibited by § 647.6(a) may categori-
    cally be grouped with the crimes of “sexual predation” that
    elicit the moral revulsion described above. Cf. Quintero-
    Salazar, 
    506 F.3d 688
    , 694 (9th Cir. 2007) (concluding that
    a California statute prohibiting consensual intercourse
    between an adult 21 or older and a minor under 16 encom-
    passed conduct that is not “ ‘so far contrary to the moral law’
    as to ‘give rise to moral outrage’ ”) (quoting Navarro-Lopez
    v. Gonzales, 
    503 F.3d 1063
    , 1071 (9th Cir. 2007)); Pallares-
    
    Galan, 359 F.3d at 1102-03
    (holding that a violation of
    § 647.6(a) is not “sexual abuse of a minor,” as defined in 8
    U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii)). That is, the question is not
    whether some of the conduct prohibited by § 647.6(a) is mor-
    ally turpitudinous. The question, rather, is whether all of the
    conduct prohibited by § 647.6(a) is morally turpitudinous.
    [4] When Nicanor-Romero was convicted, § 647.6(a) pro-
    vided that “[e]very person who annoys or molests any child
    under the age of 18 shall be punished by a fine . . . , by
    imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by
    both the fine and imprisonment.” To prove a violation of
    § 647.6(a), the State must prove both actus reus and mens rea.
    It must show that the defendant (1) engaged in “conduct a
    normal person would unhesitatingly be irritated by” and (2)
    was “motivated by an unnatural or abnormal sexual interest in
    the victim.” People v. Lopez, 
    19 Cal. 4th 282
    , 289 (1998)
    (internal quotation marks omitted); see also Cal. Jur. Instr.
    (Crim.) § 16.440, Annoying or Molesting a Child (7th ed.
    2005); People v. Kongs, 
    30 Cal. App. 4th 1741
    , 1750 (1994).
    As construed by California courts, these two requirements
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    encompass a broader swath of behavior than their formal
    description suggests.
    [5] Section 647.6(a)’s actus reus requirement — “conduct
    a normal person would unhesitatingly be irritated by” — can
    be satisfied fairly easily. Without its mens rea requirement,
    § 647.6(a) would prohibit many acts that hardly shock the
    public conscience as gravely base or depraved. Even brief
    touching of a child’s shoulder qualifies as annoying conduct
    under the actus reus requirement of § 647.6(a). See In re Hud-
    son, 
    143 Cal. App. 4th 1
    , 5 (2006) (placing hand on child’s
    shoulder while he played video game); see also People v.
    McFarland, 
    78 Cal. App. 4th 489
    , 492 (2000) (stroking
    child’s arm and face in laundromat). In fact, no actual touch-
    ing is required. See Cal. Jur. Instr. (Crim.) § 16.440. For
    example, photographing children in public places with no
    focus on sexual parts of the body satisfies the actus reus ele-
    ment of § 647.6(a), so long as the manner of photographing
    is objectively “annoying.” People v. Dunford, No. D039720,
    
    2003 WL 1275417
    , at *4 (Cal. Ct. App. Mar. 19, 2003)
    (rejecting argument that “the defendant’s conduct” must “be
    sexual” in nature). “[H]and and facial gestures” or “[w]ords
    alone” also satisfy the actus reus of § 647.6(a). Pallares-
    
    Galan, 359 F.3d at 1101
    (internal quotation marks and
    emphasis omitted). Words need not be lewd or obscene so
    long as they, or the manner in which they are spoken, are
    objectively irritating to someone under the age of eighteen.
    People v. Thompson, 
    206 Cal. App. 3d 459
    , 465 (1988).
    Moreover, “[i]t is not necessary that the act[s or conduct]
    actually disturb or irritate the child . . . .” Cal. Jur. Instr.
    (Crim.) § 16.440. That is, the actus reus component of
    § 647.6(a) does “not necessarily require harm or injury,
    whether psychological or physical.” United States v. Baza-
    Martinez, 
    464 F.3d 1010
    , 1015 (9th Cir. 2006). In short,
    § 647.6(a) is an annoying photograph away from a thought
    crime.
    Judge Bybee, dissenting in this case, complains that we
    have “suggest[ed] that a crime cannot involve moral turpitude
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    unless the actus reus results in some sort of injury to the vic-
    tim.” Dissent at 4350. We have suggested nothing of the sort.
    We simply observe that the actus reus component of
    § 647.6(a) is satisfied by relatively minor conduct.
    Having examined the actus reus requirement of § 647.6(a),
    we turn to the question of whether the relatively non-culpable
    acts proscribed by § 647.6(a) become morally turpitudinous
    when considered together with the statute’s mens rea require-
    ment. We note, as an initial matter, that we are aware of no
    cases outside of the fraud context in which this court has held
    that a non-serious crime falls within the moral turpitude cate-
    gory solely by virtue of its mens rea element. See Rodriguez-
    
    Herrera, 52 F.3d at 240
    (“[W]e have not held that if a statute
    requires evil intent, it necessarily involves moral turpitude.
    We have held only that without an evil intent, a statute does
    not necessarily involve moral turpitude.” (emphases in origi-
    nal)). “[O]utside of the fraud context, the bare presence of
    some degree of evil intent is not enough to convert a crime
    that is not serious into one of moral turpitude,” and even in
    the case of fraud, evil intent is “necessary, but not sufficient,
    for a crime inevitably to involve moral turpitude.” 
    Id. at 241.
    [6] The mens rea requirement, like the actus reus require-
    ment, does not pose a particularly high hurdle to conviction
    under § 647.6(a). By judicial construction, § 647.6(a) has
    been interpreted to apply only to conduct that is “motivated
    by an unnatural or abnormal sexual interest or intent.” In re
    Gladys R., 
    1 Cal. 3d 855
    , 867 (1970) (confirming interpreta-
    tion of People v. Pallares, 
    112 Cal. App. 2d 895
    , 901 (1952)).
    As construed by the California courts, this “unnatural or
    abnormal sexual interest” requirement is not very demanding.
    To be convicted under § 647.6(a), the defendant need not pos-
    sess a specific intent to commit any crime, sexual or other-
    wise, against the child. See People v. Maurer, 
    32 Cal. App. 4th
    1121, 1126-27 (1995) (noting that § 647.6(a) is a “strange
    beast” because despite the motivation requirement, “no spe-
    cific intent is prescribed as an element of this particular
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4325
    offense” (internal quotation marks omitted)). Rather, the
    unnatural or abnormal nature of a defendant’s sexual interest
    under § 647.6(a) may be shown by the mere fact that the sub-
    ject of the interest was underage. That is, a sexual interest that
    would be natural and normal if motivated by conduct directed
    at an 18-year old becomes unnatural or abnormal under
    § 647.6(a) if directed at someone who is underage. For exam-
    ple, in People v. Villareal, No. B16161735, 
    2003 WL 21153430
    (Cal. Ct. App. May 20, 2003), described in greater
    detail below, the Court of Appeal affirmed the conviction of
    a defendant who made suggestive comments and offered a
    ride to an underage girl. Likewise, in Dunford, the Court of
    Appeal affirmed the conviction of a defendant who took non-
    sexually-explicit photographs of non-sexual parts of the
    bodies of two fully clothed underage girls “in an annoying
    manner and with a sexual motivation.” 
    2003 WL 1275417
    , at
    *4; see also People v. Thompson, 
    206 Cal. App. 3d 459
    , 466
    n.3 (1988) (affirming a conviction on several grounds, noting,
    “His sexual interest was also made clear by his own admis-
    sion that he had been ‘admiring’ the [underage] girl’s legs”).
    Judge Bybee maintains that § 647.6(a) requires proof of a
    “predatory” sexual interest. Dissent at 4358. He supports this
    contention by citing various formal statements of the “unnatu-
    ral or abnormal sexual interest” requirement. 
    Id. at 4358.
    As
    the cited statements make clear, however, it is Judge Bybee
    who has supplied the word “predatory.” That word does not
    appear in § 647.6(a); nor does it appear in California courts’
    recitations of the elements of § 647.6(a).
    [7] As part of its case-in-chief, the prosecution in a
    § 647.6(a) case may prove mens rea merely by showing that
    the subject of an otherwise natural sexual interest was under
    eighteen. See Cal. Jur. Instr. § 16.440. The defendant may
    raise his lack of knowledge of the victim’s age as a defense.
    But a defendant with a good faith but “unreasonable” mis-
    taken belief that the victim is eighteen or older still satisfies
    the mens rea requirement of § 647.6(a). People v. Magpuso,
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    23 Cal. App. 4th 112
    , 115 (1994); People v. Atchison, 
    22 Cal. 3d
    181, 183-84 (1978) (Clark, J., concurring and dissenting);
    see also 
    Thompson, 206 Cal. App. 3d at 466
    n.3. In other
    words, a defendant may be convicted under § 647.6(a) if he
    is merely negligent in believing that the victim is eighteen or
    older. See People v. Rippberger, 
    231 Cal. App. 3d 1667
    , 1682
    (1991) (“As long as the trier of fact determines that the defen-
    dant was unreasonable in [his or her] belief,” “[c]riminal neg-
    ligence may be found even when a defendant acts with a
    sincere good faith belief that his or her actions pose no risk.”
    (emphasis in original)). Thus, under California law, a defen-
    dant may be found to have manifested an “unnatural or abnor-
    mal sexual interest,” and thereby have satisfied the mens rea
    requirement of § 647.6(a), solely because he possessed an
    otherwise natural and normal interest in an underage person
    whom he negligently believed to be eighteen.
    [8] Based on the combination of § 647.6(a)’s actus reus and
    mens rea requirements, we conclude that the statute, consid-
    ered in the abstract, encompasses behavior that is not morally
    turpitudinous. Judge Bybee complains that we have reached
    this conclusion by employing a “novel test” that “divid[es] the
    offense into decontextualized actus reus and mens rea compo-
    nents.” Dissent at 4349. But we have done just the opposite.
    It is clear that a statute’s actus reus and mens rea requirements
    must be considered together. As we state above, “A crime
    with trivial consequences does not necessarily involve moral
    turpitude just because it requires the defendant to act with
    criminal intent. Conversely, an offense with serious conse-
    quences may involve moral turpitude even if the defendant
    acts only recklessly when committing it.” Supra, at 4320. We
    fail to see how assessing the culpability of a crime by consid-
    ering its actus reus and mens rea together constitutes a “novel
    test.”
    In fact, it is Judge Bybee’s failure to consider the actus reus
    and mens rea requirements together that prevents him from
    recognizing the distinction between a violation of § 647.6(a)
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4327
    and the crimes we have previously held to be morally turpi-
    tudinous. For example, Judge Bybee complains that “[u]nder
    the majority’s mens rea analysis, it is doubtful that any statute
    criminalizing behavior directed at children would qualify as
    a crime of moral turpitude so long as it did not provide for a
    good faith mistake-of-age defense.” Dissent at 4353. As Judge
    Bybee notes, and we agree, crimes such as statutory rape and
    carnal knowledge of a minor, which allow no good faith
    mistake-of-age defense, may categorically involve moral tur-
    pitude. Dissent at 4344. The only way Judge Bybee could fail
    to see the difference between these crimes and a conviction
    under § 647.6(a) is by focusing solely on their mens rea
    requirements, and ignoring their actus reus requirements. As
    should be clear to Judge Bybee, statutory rape and carnal
    knowledge of a minor are more culpable than the conduct pro-
    hibited by § 647.6(a) because the former involve sexual inter-
    course with a child, a deeply offensive actus reus, while the
    latter involves only “conduct a normal person would unhe-
    sitatingly be irritated by.” 
    Lopez, 19 Cal. 4th at 289
    (internal
    quotation marks omitted).
    Judge Bybee makes the same mistake when he argues that
    child abuse, which “is a crime involving moral turpitude only
    because of the age of the victim,” “could not survive the
    majority’s rigorous mens rea requirement” without allowing
    a good faith mistake-of-age defense. Dissent at 4354 n.6. For
    the same reason that we have no difficulty distinguishing
    between sexual intercourse with a child and conduct prohib-
    ited by § 647.6(a), we have no difficulty distinguishing
    between child abuse and assault of an adult. Although both
    crimes involve the same mens rea, the actus reus of assaulting
    a child is obviously more culpable than the act of assaulting
    an adult.
    Judge Bybee’s failure to recognize that moral turpitude
    depends on the combination of actus reus and mens rea is also
    responsible for his mistaken assertion that the present case is
    controlled by Morales v. Gonzales, 
    478 F.3d 972
    (9th Cir.
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    2007). See Dissent at 4351-52. In Morales, we held that a
    Washington statute prohibiting “communicat[ion] with a
    minor for immoral purposes” was categorically a crime of
    moral turpitude. Morales, 478 F.3 at 978 (citing Wash. Rev.
    Code § 9.68A.090). But just as statutory rape involves a more
    culpable actus reus than § 647.6(a), § 9.68A.090 requires a
    more culpable mens rea. This is so for two reasons.
    First, § 9.68A.090 requires that the communication with a
    minor be for “immoral purposes.” See 
    Morales, 478 F.3d at 978
    (“[I]mmorality is one of the elements of the crime under
    Washington law.”). The Washington courts have indicated
    that to be “immoral,” a communication must be designed to
    “promot[e] a minor’s exposure and involvement in ‘sexual
    misconduct.’ ” State v. Hosier, 
    157 Wash. 2d 1
    , 11-12 (2006).
    For example, in Hosier, 157 Wash. 2d at 14, the Washington
    Supreme Court noted that the defendant had placed pink
    underpants on a fence with the “overall intent . . . to convince
    a young girl to take off her underpants to engage in sexual
    misconduct.” Further, the Court noted that the defendant did
    not dispute that he wrote notes to the 13-year-old girl with the
    “purpose of promoting a minor’s exposure and involvement
    in sexual misconduct.” 
    Id. at 11-12
    (internal quotation marks
    omitted). By contrast, there is no requirement under
    § 647.6(a) that the defendant have such a purpose. For exam-
    ple, the defendant in Dunford was convicted under § 647.6(a)
    based on his taking pictures of fully clothed children in a pub-
    lic place, focusing on non-sexual parts of their bodies, with no
    showing that he intended to expose the children to, or involve
    them in, sexual misconduct. 
    2003 WL 1275417
    , at *4. Judge
    Bybee simply fails to recognize the distinction between pro-
    moting a child’s involvement in sexual misconduct, as in
    § 9.68A.090, and annoying a child by objectively non-sexual
    conduct while holding an unarticulated private sexual interest,
    as in § 647.6(a). See Dissent at 4356 n.8.
    Second, § 9.68A.090 requires that the defendant act with
    specific criminal intent. See Hosier, 157 Wash. 2d at 15; State
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                 4329
    v. Montoya, 
    115 Wash. App. 1050
    , No. 28017-5-II, 
    2003 WL 464075
    , at *2 (Feb. 25, 2003) (explaining what evidence of
    “[s]pecific criminal intent” is sufficient to support a
    § 9.68A.090 conviction). By contrast, § 647.6(a) does not
    require specific intent. Maurer, 
    32 Cal. App. 4th
    at 1126-27.
    We find these distinctions significant. To be convicted
    under § 9.68A.090, a defendant must intend to engage a
    minor in sexual misconduct and must do so with full knowl-
    edge that the victim is underage. To be convicted under
    § 647.6(a), a defendant need do neither. Judge Bybee empha-
    sizes that § 9.68A.090, like § 647.6(a), does not require actual
    harm to the child and suggests that we are therefore unable to
    distinguish this case from Morales. Dissent at 4356 n.8; see
    also Dissent at 4351 n.4 (“[T]he majority provides no expla-
    nation why, after Morales, we should place any weight on the
    absence of a physical-contact element in determining whether
    violation of § 647.6(a) involves moral turpitude.”). Judge
    Bybee has again considered actus reus and mens rea sepa-
    rately rather than in combination. Although § 9.68A.090, like
    § 647.6(a), does not require actual harm to a child, it requires
    a significantly more culpable mens rea than does § 647.6(a).
    Under the California case law just described, an 18-year-
    old man’s sexual interest in a girl one day short of her eigh-
    teenth birthday, whom the man negligently believes to be over
    eighteen, manifested only by annoying behavior such as pho-
    tographing nonsexual parts of her fully clothed body, could
    support a conviction under § 647.6(a). We would not hold
    such behavior morally turpitudinous. Until a short time ago,
    the possibility of a conviction on such facts would have been
    enough, under the categorical approach, for us to hold that a
    defendant convicted of violating § 647.6(a) did not commit a
    crime of moral turpitude.
    [9] However, after this case was briefed and submitted for
    decision, the Supreme Court decided Gonzales v. Duenas-
    Alvarez, 
    127 S. Ct. 815
    (2007). The petitioner in Duenas-
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    Alvarez was a legal permanent resident who claimed that he
    was not removable because his conviction was not a “theft
    offense” under the INA. 
    Id. at 818.
    The Court rejected this
    claim after applying the categorical approach first articulated
    in Taylor. 
    Id. The Court
    went through the familiar steps of
    identifying the generic definition of theft and comparing it to
    the California law under which Duenas-Alvarez had been
    convicted. 
    Id. at 820-21.
    But then the Court wrote:
    [I]n our view, to find that a state statute creates a
    crime outside the generic definition of a listed crime
    in a federal statute requires more than the application
    of legal imagination to a state statute’s language. It
    requires a realistic probability, not a theoretical
    possibility, that the State would apply its statute to
    conduct that falls outside the generic definition of a
    crime. To show that realistic possibility, an offender,
    of course, may show that the statute was so applied
    in his own case. But he must at least point to his own
    case or other cases in which the state courts in fact
    did apply the statute in the special (nongeneric) man-
    ner for which he argues.
    
    Id. at 822
    (emphasis added).
    The full implications of the Court’s “realistic probability”
    test are, at this point, unclear. In the more than a decade and
    a half since the Court decided Taylor, this court and others
    have developed a substantial body of case law deciding
    whether various state criminal statutes fall within the scope of
    the “crime involving moral turpitude” offense. This case law
    has brought some measure of predictability to the law despite
    the vagaries of the phrase “moral turpitude.” The same is true
    of many other state criminal statutes with respect to the vari-
    ous crimes that may constitute “aggravated felonies” under
    both immigration and sentencing law. In much of this case
    law, we have relied on the “application of legal imagination
    to a state statute’s language” to determine the range of con-
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4331
    duct that might be successfully prosecuted under it. By disap-
    proving of such an approach, Duenas-Alvarez leaves
    uncertain the continued validity of this extensive case law.
    The Court in Duenas-Alvarez also leaves unaddressed
    important issues about how courts are to decide whether the
    “realistic probability” showing has been made. We mention
    only two such issues here.
    First, it is unclear who bears the burden of demonstrating
    a “realistic probability” that conduct reached by a statute falls
    within the scope of a “crime involving moral turpitude.” The
    Court’s opinion in Duenas-Alvarez could be read to suggest
    that it was incumbent on the petitioner to make this showing.
    
    Id. But in
    a removal proceeding such as the case now before
    us, it is the government that bears the burden of proving
    removability by “clear, unequivocal, and convincing evi-
    dence.” 
    Notash, 427 F.3d at 697
    (internal quotation marks
    omitted).
    Second, the opinion fails to specify what type of evidence
    may be used to satisfy the “realistic probability” requirement.
    A sufficient showing under Duenas-Alvarez might be based
    on factual evidence of actual convictions, on unpublished and
    nonprecedential opinions, on statutory language and the logic
    of published opinions, or on some combination thereof. This
    evidentiary issue is likely to arise in many forms, and we note
    that in immigration proceedings some of the ordinary eviden-
    tiary rules do not apply. Hernandez-Guadarrama v. Ashcroft,
    
    394 F.3d 674
    , 681 (9th Cir. 2005).
    Whatever the practicalities of demonstrating a conviction
    through factual evidence, however, it cannot be that the pres-
    ence of a “realistic probability” under Duenas-Alvarez
    depends on whether a conviction is described in an unpub-
    lished rather than a published opinion. But see Dissent at
    4357, 4361-64 (complaining that we rely on an unpublished
    opinion in applying Duenas-Alvarez). In determining the
    4332               NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    actual application of a statute, a conviction is a conviction,
    regardless of the manner in which it is reported. We trust that
    if a client sought advice regarding the scope of a state statute,
    Judge Bybee would not advise the client to engage in conduct
    that had already been held illegal simply because the convic-
    tion was reported in an unpublished opinion.
    [10] Similarly, we do not believe that the categorical
    approach after Duenas-Alvarez is satisfied only when a state
    repeatedly applies a statute to non-turpitudinous conduct. But
    see Dissent at 4363 (“[I]t is unwise to rely on a single unpub-
    lished decision.”). Duenas-Alvarez’s “realistic probability”
    requirement eliminated the application of “legal imagination”
    in defining the outer reaches of a state law. But it did not alter
    the fundamental logic of the categorical approach, which
    looks to “whether the full range of conduct encompassed by
    the statute constitutes a crime of moral turpitude.” Cuevas-
    
    Gaspar, 430 F.3d at 1017
    (emphasis added). To suggest that
    a state law does not apply to conduct involving moral turpi-
    tude unless it is regularly applied to non-turpitudinous con-
    duct would not only bring an end to the “categorical”
    approach, but would also require an entirely unmanageable
    standard. See 
    Duenas-Alvarez, 127 S. Ct. at 822
    (noting that
    a defendant may show a “realistic probability” that a state
    would apply its statute to conduct outside the generic defini-
    tion of a crime simply by pointing to “his own case”).
    ii.   Application of Duenas-Alvarez
    [11] Although the “reasonable probability” requirement of
    Duenas-Alvarez may be satisfied in a variety of ways, it is
    clear that an alien has not been convicted of a crime involving
    moral turpitude if he can “point to his own case or other cases
    in which the state courts in fact did apply the statute” to non-
    turpitudinous conduct. 
    Duenas-Alvarez, 127 S. Ct. at 822
    .
    One unpublished opinion by the California Court of Appeal
    provides a detailed description of factual circumstances that
    supported an actual conviction under § 647.6(a). Based on
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4333
    this conviction, I believe there is “a realistic probability, not
    a theoretical possibility, that the State would apply
    [§ 647.6(a)] to conduct that falls outside the generic definition
    [of a ‘crime involving moral turpitude’].” 
    Duenas-Alvarez, 127 S. Ct. at 822
    .
    The case is People v. Villareal, 
    2003 WL 21153430
    . A 13-
    year-old girl was walking along “a quiet, somewhat isolated
    street” in Lompoc, a small town in California, to catch a bus
    to soccer practice. 
    Id. at *1.
    The defendant stopped his pickup
    truck across the street from her and asked the girl her name.
    
    Id. After she
    told him, he asked her if “she had gone ‘to see
    the flag.’ ” 
    Id. The flag
    was a “display of flowers planted to
    resemble a flag,” which could be viewed from a place “known
    as ‘make-out point’ ” not far from the street. 
    Id. at *1
    & n.2.
    The girl responded that she had gone to see the flag. The
    defendant then told her, “Well, when I look at you I see
    stars.” 
    Id. at *1.
    The girl “thought the comment was inappro-
    priately sexual and that [the defendant] was smirking at her.
    
    Id. She felt
    scared and violated . . . .” 
    Id. The girl
    “began to
    walk and then to run away from [the defendant] toward the
    bus stop.” 
    Id. The defendant
    followed her in his truck and
    asked her if she needed a ride. 
    Id. “She said
    no and kept run-
    ning. He continued to follow her for a short distance and then
    turned a corner,” and drove away. 
    Id. The foregoing
    was the
    full extent of the defendant’s interaction with the girl.
    As luck would have it, the girl was the daughter of a Lom-
    poc police officer. 
    Id. After being
    informed by her daughter
    of what had happened, the police officer searched for, and
    apprehended, the defendant. 
    Id. When he
    was apprehended,
    the defendant stated that he thought the victim was “a ‘cute
    girl’ and that she was 16 or 17 years old. . . . Now that he
    knew [her] age, [he] agreed that his comment about seeing
    stars was ‘kind of inappropriate, being that it was kind of
    strange.’ He denied having any sexual intent in speaking to
    [the girl].” 
    Id. The defendant
    further stated that he had been
    diagnosed with schizophrenia but had quit taking his medica-
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    tion before the incident on the advice of “his mental health
    workers.” 
    Id. On this
    evidence, the California Court of Appeal con-
    cluded:
    Appellant stopped to talk to a 13-year old girl who
    was walking alone on an isolated street. His refer-
    ences to a local “make out” spot and to seeing stars
    when he looked at [the girl] would be irritating to a
    normal person and demonstrate that the conversation
    was motivated by appellant’s sexual interest in [the
    girl]. (People v. Maurer, . . . , 
    32 Cal. App. 4th
    at p.
    1127, 
    38 Cal. Rptr. 2d 335
    [mental state required to
    violate § 647.6 is conduct motivated by unnatural or
    abnormal sexual interest].) The child believed that
    appellant’s comments were sexual in nature and tes-
    tified that he was “smirking” at her. Even if the ini-
    tial comments were ambiguous, appellant followed
    [the girl] down the street as she ran away from him
    and asked her if she needed a ride. This conduct
    unquestionably would irritate a normal person. . . .
    Finally, appellant confirmed the sexual nature of his
    conduct when he told Sgt. Strange that he thought
    [the girl] was a “cute girl[.]”
    
    Id. at *2
    (bracketed phrase “[the girl]” added to replace the
    girl’s name; other brackets in original; internal citations omit-
    ted). On this basis, the court affirmed the defendant’s convic-
    tion under § 647.6(a).
    The Court of Appeal’s decision in Villareal is, of course,
    a proper holding that Villareal violated § 647.6(a). But the
    issue is not whether Villareal’s conduct violated § 647.6(a),
    which it clearly did. The issue is whether that conduct was
    morally turpitudinous. I do not believe that Villareal’s con-
    duct constituted a “grave act[ ] of baseness or depravity.”
    
    Carty, 395 F.3d at 1083
    . Nor, in my view, did it constitute
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4335
    “conduct that shocks the public conscience as being inher-
    ently base, vile, or depraved, contrary to the rules of morality
    and the duties owed between man and man, either one’s fel-
    low man or society in general.” Matter of Short, 20 I. & N.
    Dec. at 139.
    Judge Bybee objects to this analysis of Villareal because
    that case involved the revocation of probation, and “the stan-
    dard of proof was [therefore] lower than the ‘beyond a reason-
    able doubt’ standard required in a criminal trial.” Dissent at
    4364. For this objection to be relevant, the behavior covered
    by a statute would have to vary depending on the standard of
    proof applied. To state this proposition is to refute it.
    [12] Judge Bybee further objects that we have offered a
    “sterile retelling” of the facts in Villareal. He would hold that,
    because “the trier of fact determined that Villareal engaged in
    offensive behavior that was motivated by unnatural or abnor-
    mal sexual interest in the victim,” Villareal’s conduct
    involved moral turpitude. Dissent at 4363. Judge Bybee has
    once again assumed that, because the formal elements of
    § 647.6(a) sound morally turpitudinous, a conviction may
    only be had under the statute for morally turpitudinous con-
    duct. As we have explained above, and as Villareal confirms,
    the actual application of § 647.6(a) by California courts shows
    that mere annoying behavior, motivated by a sexual interest
    that would not be abnormal if directed at an adult, may be
    deemed a violation of § 647.6(a) if directed at a person who
    is underage.
    Yet, based on his erroneous interpretation of § 647.6(a) as
    requiring a “predatory” sexual interest, Judge Bybee argues
    that, because the trier of fact found a violation of § 647.6(a)
    in Villareal, it must have found that the conduct in Villareal
    manifested a predatory sexual interest. 
    Id. At best,
    his argu-
    ment is circular. At worst, it manifests a lack of fidelity to the
    record, with Judge Bybee treating his own speculations as if
    they were established facts. See 
    id. (referring to
    Villareal as
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    “a story of a prelude to a rape”). To avoid any possibility of
    confusion as to what Villareal did (and did not) do, I attach
    the full report of the Court of Appeal’s decision. Infra, app.
    A.
    iii.   Conclusion
    [13] After examining the elements of § 647.6(a), as set
    forth in the statute and as construed by California courts, we
    conclude that there is a “realistic probability, not a theoretical
    possibility,” that a misdemeanor conviction under § 647.6(a)
    can be based on behavior that, while criminal, does not rise
    to the level of a “crime involving moral turpitude” within the
    meaning of 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(i)(I).
    b.   Modified Categorical Approach
    Because § 647.6(a) prohibits conduct that may not neces-
    sarily involve moral turpitude, we turn to the modified cate-
    gorical approach to determine if Nicanor-Romero’s actual
    offense involved moral turpitude. We “look beyond the lan-
    guage of the statute to a narrow, specified set of documents
    that are part of the record of conviction, including the indict-
    ment, the judgment of conviction, jury instructions, a signed
    guilty plea, or the transcript from the plea proceedings.”
    Tokatly v. Ashcroft, 
    371 F.3d 613
    , 620 (9th Cir. 2004) (inter-
    nal quotation mark omitted). We do not look beyond such
    documents, however, to determine what particular underlying
    facts might have supported Nicanor-Romero’s conviction. 
    Id. Under the
    modified categorical approach, the government
    must show by clear and convincing evidence that the actual
    crime committed by Nicanor-Romero was a “crime involving
    moral turpitude.” See 
    Notash, 427 F.3d at 697
    .
    [14] The relevant documents tell us little about what
    Nicanor-Romero actually did. Both the criminal complaint
    and the jury verdict sheet simply recite the elements of the
    crime described in § 647.6(a). Nicanor-Romero was also con-
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4337
    victed of battery, but the record does not tell us in what way
    the battery may have been related to his § 647.6(a) conviction.
    “Inferences . . . are insufficient under the modified categorical
    approach.” Cisneros-Perez v. Gonzales, 
    451 F.3d 1053
    , 1059
    (9th Cir. 2006). The fact that Nicanor-Romero had to register
    as a sex offender gives us no information beyond the bare fact
    of a conviction under § 647.6(a), because registration is auto-
    matically required for everyone convicted of a § 647.6(a) vio-
    lation. See Cal. Penal Code § 290(a)(2)(A). In short, the
    modified categorical approach does not allow us to determine
    with the requisite degree of certainty that the actual offense
    committed by Nicanor-Romero was a “crime involving moral
    turpitude.”
    Conclusion
    [15] We conclude that the government has failed to show
    that Nicanor-Romero committed either an aggravated felony
    or a crime involving moral turpitude. We therefore grant the
    petition and vacate the order of removal.
    Petition GRANTED; order of removal VACATED.
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    Appendix A
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    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4341
    PREGERSON, Circuit Judge, specially concurring:
    Our decision in this case is constrained by a meager record.
    All the record tells us is that Nicanor-Romero was convicted
    of violating § 647.6(a), a broadly written statute that provides,
    “Every person who annoys or molests any child under the age
    of 18 shall be punished by a fine . . . by imprisonment in a
    county jail not exceeding one year, or by both fine and impris-
    onment.” Cal. Pen. Code § 647.6(a) (West 2005). We also
    know that Nicanor-Romero was sentenced to 163-days in
    prison and was ordered to register as a sex offender. But the
    record does not tell us what Nicanor-Romero actually did to
    violate § 647.6(a). In fact, we have no knowledge of the fac-
    tual circumstances that led to Nicanor-Romero’s misdemea-
    nor conviction under § 647.6(a).
    Like Judge Fletcher, I conclude that there is a “realistic
    probability, not a theoretical possibility,” that a misdemeanor
    conviction under § 647.6(a) can be based on behavior that,
    while criminal, does not rise to the level of a “crime involving
    moral turpitude” within the meaning of 8 U.S.C.
    § 1227(a)(2)(A)(i)(I). Section 647.6(a) encompasses behavior
    that is not morally turpitudinous and, consequently, I cannot
    conclude, given the meager record before us, that Nicanor-
    Romero’s violation of § 647.6(a) is a crime involving moral
    turpitude. I therefore join Judge Fletcher in refusing to hold
    that every violation of § 647.6(a) constitutes a crime of moral
    turpitude regardless of its factual circumstances.
    I disagree, however, with Judge Fletcher’s reliance on Peo-
    ple v. Villareal, 
    2003 WL 21153430
    (Cal. Ct. App. May 20,
    2003). In that case, Villareal, who was driving a pick-up
    truck, “stopped to talk to a 13-year old girl who was walking
    alone on an isolated street.” 
    Id. at *
    2. “[M]otivated by [his]
    sexual interest” in the young girl, Villareal referred to “a local
    ‘make out’ spot and to seeing stars.” 
    Id. The girl
    believed
    these comments “were sexual in nature” and noted that Villa-
    real was “smirking” at her. 
    Id. She felt
    “scared and violated.”
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    Id. at *
    1. She began to walk and then to run away. 
    Id. Villa- real
    followed her in his pick-up truck, even after she refused
    his offer to give her a ride. 
    Id. He then
    turned the corner and
    drove away. 
    Id. I am
    firmly convinced that Villareal’s actions
    constituted a crime of moral turpitude. His behavior was
    indeed the sort of “conduct that shocks the public conscience
    as being inherently base, vile, or depraved, contrary to the
    rules of morality and the duties owed between man and man,
    either one’s fellow man or society in general.” Matter of
    Short, 20 I. & N. Dec. 136, 139 (BIA 1989).
    Without relying on Villareal, I reject the dissent’s sugges-
    tion that a violation of § 647.6(a) is per se a crime of moral
    turpitude. Accordingly, I join Judge Fletcher in granting the
    petition and vacating the order of removal.
    BYBEE, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    California Penal Code § 647.6(a) punishes objectively
    offensive behavior toward children that is motivated by an
    unnatural or abnormal sexual interest. The majority holds that
    violation of § 647.6(a) is not, categorically, a crime involving
    moral turpitude. The majority accomplishes this by focusing
    exclusively—and separately—on the actus reus and mens rea
    of the offense. However, we have never subjected sexual
    offenses to the type of rigorous actus reus and mens rea anal-
    ysis employed by the majority to determine whether they
    involve moral turpitude. Rather, with sex crimes we have
    relied on contemporary moral standards and the distinction
    between malum in se and malum prohibitum offenses. The
    majority abandons both approaches.
    I agree with the majority that “[w]e have not relied on a
    consistent or easily applied set of criteria” to judge what con-
    stitutes a crime involving moral turpitude, and I would
    applaud any effort to reconcile the cases and bring clarity to
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                4343
    this area. Maj. Op. at 4319. However, I believe that the major-
    ity’s approach renders our precedents less comprehensible.
    The majority essentially eliminates an entire category of anal-
    ysis from our jurisprudence and would require us to repudiate
    much of our precedent involving sexual offenses against
    minors. In my view, the majority has not tried to reconcile our
    cases so much as to upend them. Furthermore, in the process,
    the majority recasts § 647.6(a) in a way that renders it unrec-
    ognizable to California courts. The Supreme Court warned us
    this last Term that we must do more than apply our “legal
    imagination to a state statute’s language.” Gonzales v.
    Duenas-Alvarez, 
    127 S. Ct. 815
    , 822 (2007). No less can be
    said about applying our imagination to a state’s caselaw.
    I respectfully dissent.
    I
    In this section, I first discuss how we have treated sexual
    offenses and then turn to how our precedent on moral turpi-
    tude applies to the California statute in question, California
    Penal Code § 647.6(a).
    A
    “We have generally divided crimes involving moral turpi-
    tude into two basic types: ‘those involving fraud and those
    involving grave acts of baseness or depravity.’ ” Galeana-
    Mendoza v. Gonzales, 
    465 F.3d 1054
    , 1058 (9th Cir. 2006)
    (quoting Carty v. Ashcroft, 
    395 F.3d 1081
    , 1083 (9th Cir.
    2005)). Although the latter category is not well-defined, both
    we and our sister circuits have consistently held that sexual
    offenses generally fall within that category. See Morales v.
    Gonzales, 
    478 F.3d 972
    , 978 (9th Cir. 2007) (immoral com-
    munication with a minor); Gonzalez-Alvarado v. INS, 
    39 F.3d 245
    , 246-47 (9th Cir. 1994) (incest) (per curiam); Schoeps v.
    Carmichael, 
    177 F.2d 391
    , 394 (9th Cir. 1949) (lewd and las-
    civious conduct); Bendel v. Nagle, 
    17 F.2d 719
    , 720 (9th Cir.
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    1927) (statutory rape); see also Sheikh v. Gonzales, 
    427 F.3d 1077
    , 1082 (8th Cir. 2005) (contributing to delinquency of a
    minor); Maghsoudi v. INS, 
    181 F.3d 8
    , 14-15 (1st Cir. 1999)
    (indecent assault); Palmer v. INS, 
    4 F.3d 482
    , 485 (7th Cir.
    1993) (contributing to sexual delinquency of a minor); Castle
    v. INS, 
    541 F.2d 1064
    , 1066 (4th Cir. 1976) (carnal knowl-
    edge of a minor) (per curiam); Marciano v. INS, 
    450 F.2d 1022
    , 1024 (8th Cir. 1971) (statutory rape); United States v.
    Kiang, 
    175 F. Supp. 2d 942
    , 951-52 (E.D. Mich. 2001)
    (fourth degree sexual assault).1 Such offenses so violate con-
    temporary moral standards that they “involve moral turpitude
    by their very nature.” 
    Gonzalez-Alvarado, 39 F.3d at 246
    (internal quotation marks omitted).
    Sexual offenses have consistently been classified as crimes
    involving moral turpitude irrespective of any injury to the vic-
    tim, physical or otherwise. Sexual misconduct need not rise to
    the level of rape or involve physical assault to violate contem-
    porary moral standards. In fact, to constitute a crime involv-
    ing moral turpitude, the sexual misconduct need not even
    involve physical contact: We recently held that mere verbal
    communication with a minor “for immoral purposes of a sex-
    ual nature” is sufficiently contrary to American ethics to con-
    stitute a crime involving moral turpitude. 
    Morales, 478 F.3d at 978
    .
    We have also recognized that baseness and depravity inhere
    in offenses committed against particularly vulnerable victims,
    such as children or spouses. We have held, for example, that
    1
    Although statutory rape has long been considered a crime involving
    moral turpitude, we recently held that California Penal Code § 261.5(d),
    which makes it a crime for an individual twenty-one years of age or older
    to engage in sexual intercourse with a minor who is under sixteen years
    of age, “is not categorically a crime involving moral turpitude within the
    meaning of the immigration statutes.” Quintero-Salazar v. Keisler, 
    506 F.3d 688
    , 694 (9th Cir. 2007). In reaching that conclusion, however, we
    relied on the distinction between crimes that are malum in se and malum
    prohibitum, see 
    id. at 693-94,
    an approach that the majority abandons.
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                     4345
    both spousal abuse and child abuse are crimes involving
    moral turpitude, even though under California law, they are
    merely variations on the offense of battery—which is not
    itself a crime involving moral turpitude. See CAL. PENAL CODE
    § 243(e)(1) (battery against one’s spouse); Grageda v. INS, 
    12 F.3d 919
    , 922 (9th Cir. 1993) (noting that spousal status
    makes spousal abuse a more grievous offense than assault);
    Guerrero de Nodahl v. INS, 
    407 F.2d 1405
    , 1405-07 (9th Cir.
    1969) (child abuse); Matter of Garcia-Hernandez, 23 I & N
    Dec. 590, 591, 594 (BIA 2003) (noting that battery as defined
    in the California Penal Code is not a crime involving moral
    turpitude). In holding spousal abuse to be a crime involving
    moral turpitude, we observed that
    an adult is not as helpless of a victim as a child; nev-
    ertheless, a spouse is committed to a relationship of
    trust with, and may be dependent upon, the perpetra-
    tor. This relationship makes the crime of spousal
    abuse different from violence between strangers or
    acquaintances, which, depending on the wording of
    the statute, is not necessarily a crime of moral turpi-
    tude.
    
    Grageda, 12 F.3d at 922
    . Our recognition that the victim’s
    vulnerability or intimate relationship with her victimizer can
    render an act inherently base or vile simply reflects contem-
    porary American mores.
    Perhaps no conduct so unequivocally violates American
    ethics as that which encompasses both of these categories,
    namely sexual predation upon the most vulnerable members
    of our society. Children in particular—because of their nai-
    veté, their dependence on adults, and their inability to under-
    stand, flee, or resist such advances—are vulnerable to adults
    who seek to take advantage of them sexually. Thus, we find
    such conduct especially repulsive and worthy of the severest
    moral opprobrium. Cf. New York v. Ferber, 
    458 U.S. 747
    ,
    757, 763 (1982) (noting that the “prevention of sexual exploi-
    4346              NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    tation and abuse of children constitutes a government objec-
    tive of surpassing importance” and holding on that basis that
    child pornography, unlike adult pornography, falls outside
    First Amendment protection). Put differently, sexual miscon-
    duct, particularly such conduct directed toward children, falls
    neatly into the category of crimes that are malum in se. Courts
    have long considered the distinction between malum in se and
    malum prohibitum crimes to be the main, if not the deciding,
    factor in determining whether a crime involves moral turpi-
    tude. See, e.g., 
    Quintero-Salazar, 506 F.3d at 694
    (“Because
    § 261.5(d) defines conduct that is malum prohibitum in at
    least some cases, it cannot categorically be a crime of moral
    turpitude.”); Hyder v. Keisler, 
    506 F.3d 388
    , 391 (5th Cir.
    2007) (“Moral turpitude has been defined as an act which is
    per se morally reprehensible and intrinsically wrong, or
    malum in se . . . .” (quoting Hamdan v. INS, 
    98 F.3d 183
    , 186
    (5th Cir. 1996))); Nguyen v. Chertoff, 
    501 F.3d 107
    , 109 n.3
    (2d Cir. 2007) (same); Recio-Prado v. Gonzales, 
    456 F.3d 819
    , 821 (8th Cir. 2006) (finding “that moral turpitude inheres
    in” the crime of maliciously and intentionally firing a weapon
    into an occupied dwelling because it was “undoubtedly
    malum in se”); Padilla v. Gonzales, 
    397 F.3d 1016
    , 1020 (7th
    Cir. 2005) (“We have acknowledged that the distinction
    between crimes that involve moral turpitude and those that
    don’t corresponds to the distinction between crimes that are
    mala in se and those that are mala prohibita.”); Beltran-
    Tirado v. INS, 
    213 F.3d 1179
    , 1184-85 (9th Cir. 2000) (rely-
    ing on distinction between malum prohibitum and malum in
    se to conclude that a malum prohibitum crime did not involve
    moral turpitude); In re Flores, 17 I & N Dec. 225, 227 (B.I.A.
    1980) (defining moral turpitude “as an act which is per se
    morally reprehensible and intrinsically wrong or malum in se,
    so it is the nature of the act itself and not the statutory prohibi-
    tion of it which renders a crime one of moral turpitude”).
    The reprehension with which we view such acts explains
    the consistent, and uncontradicted, determinations by federal
    courts that sexual misconduct targeting children involves
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                   4347
    moral turpitude, even where the criminal provision requires
    no injury or even contact. Such conduct directed at “a minor
    is inherently wrong and contrary to the accepted rules of
    morality and the duties owed between persons.” 
    Morales, 478 F.3d at 978
    . This is so even where the defendant acted with
    no specific criminal intent: Because such conduct is so base
    and vile in and of itself, the defendant commits a crime of
    moral turpitude simply by willfully committing the wrongful
    act. See Matter of Torres-Varela, 23 I & N Dec. 78, 84 (BIA
    2001); Matter of Tran, 21 I & N Dec. 291, 293 (BIA 1996)
    (noting that moral turpitude is present “[w]here knowing or
    intentional conduct is an element of a morally reprehensible
    offense”).
    B
    Section 647.6(a) falls squarely within this category of sex-
    ual offenses that we have deemed to involve moral turpitude.
    The provision criminalizes acting with an abnormal sexual
    intent so as to “annoy[ ] or molest[ ] any child under 18 years
    of age.” One can be convicted of violating § 647.6(a) only by
    committing “an act that is objectively and unhesitatingly
    viewed as irritating or disturbing, prompted by an abnormal
    sexual interest in children.” Terry v. Davis Cmty. Church, 
    33 Cal. Rptr. 3d 145
    , 154 n.3 (Cal. Ct. App. 2005); accord In re
    Gladys R., 
    464 P.2d 127
    , 137 (Cal. 1970) (noting that
    § 647.6(a) is “narrow” and limited to offenders “motivated by
    unnatural or abnormal sexual interest or intent”); People v.
    Maurer, 
    38 Cal. Rptr. 2d 335
    , 338 (Cal. Ct. App. 1995) (not-
    ing that § 647.6(a) is violated only by a disturbing act “moti-
    vated by an unnatural or abnormal sexual interest or intent
    with respect to children” (emphasis and internal quotation
    marks omitted)). Acting offensively or in a way “designed to
    disturb, irritate, . . . injure, or at least tend to injure” a child,
    People v. Lopez, 
    965 P.2d 713
    , 717 (Cal. 1998), for the pur-
    poses of satisfying one’s own “unnatural or abnormal sexual
    interest” or with such intent shocks the American conscience
    and is regarded as universally repulsive in this country. Under
    4348             NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    our cases involving sexual offenses, the universal condemna-
    tion accorded such acts by contemporary Americans is suffi-
    cient to qualify violations of § 647.6(a) as crimes involving
    moral turpitude.
    Section 647.6(a) applies only to a “comparatively narrow
    province” of conduct. In re Gladys 
    R., 464 P.2d at 137
    ; see
    also People v. Pallares, 
    246 P.2d 173
    , 177 (Cal. Ct. App.
    1952) (holding that § 647.6(a) does not prohibit mere “annoy-
    ance” of a minor). California courts take seriously the require-
    ment that the conduct supporting a § 647.6(a) conviction be
    objectively offensive. See, e.g., People v. Kongs, 
    37 Cal. Rptr. 2d
    327, 331 (Cal. Ct. App. 1994) (holding that “the section
    must be construed reasonably as setting up an objective test
    for annoyance or molestation”). As People v. Carskaddon,
    
    318 P.2d 4
    (Cal. 1957), illustrates, when the conduct does not
    rise to that level, a conviction under § 647.6(a) will not stand.
    In that case, the defendant had approached two children, aged
    six and four, in a public park and walked a short distance with
    them on a sidewalk. 
    Id. at 5.
    The court overturned the convic-
    tion, noting that the record contained no evidence of any lewd
    or obscene behavior on the defendant’s part. 
    Id. at 5-6.
    In
    other words, the defendant’s conduct lacked the objectively
    offensive act required under the statute.
    More importantly, the statute does not extend even to all
    offensive conduct; it reaches only offensive conduct that is
    motivated by an abnormal sexual interest in the child. See,
    e.g., 
    Lopez, 965 P.2d at 717
    . The statute targets the motivation
    common to sexual predators of all types, but it criminalizes
    only those predators who specifically direct their abnormal
    interests toward children under the age of 18, presumably in
    recognition of such children’s special vulnerability to those
    driven by such motives. This limitation makes sense in light
    of the purpose of this statute, which is to protect “children
    from interference by sexual offenders, and the apprehension,
    segregation and punishment of the latter.” In re Gladys 
    R., 464 P.2d at 137
    (quoting People v. Moore, 
    290 P.2d 40
    , 41
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                         4349
    (Cal. Ct. App. 1955)); see also People v. Thompson, 253 Cal.
    Rptr. 564, 569 (Cal. Ct. App. 1988). A desire to prey sexually
    on any member of our society, much less the most vulnerable
    members, so fundamentally offends the contemporary Ameri-
    can moral sensibility that it unquestionably involves moral
    turpitude.
    Finally, California itself recognizes the moral gravity of the
    offense. Violations of § 647.6(a) are “viewed as base, vile and
    depraved” and are, therefore, deemed to involve “moral turpi-
    tude.” Brewer v. Dep’t of Motor Vehicles, 
    155 Cal. Rptr. 643
    ,
    648 (Cal. Ct. App. 1979). The California Penal Code defines
    violations of § 647.6(a) as “sexual abuse,” CAL. PENAL CODE
    § 11165.1, and perpetrators who are convicted under this pro-
    vision must register as sex offenders with the State of Califor-
    nia, CAL. PENAL CODE § 290(a)(1)(A), (a)(2)(A); cf. Kongs, 
    37 Cal. Rptr. 2d
    327, 331 (Cal. Ct. App. 1994) (“For the most
    part, [this section] has been applied to incidents of explicit
    sexual conduct . . . .”).
    II
    Having demonstrated that § 647.6(a) falls comfortably
    within our standard approach to sexual offenses, I now turn
    to the problems attending the novel test proposed by the
    majority and demonstrate that it wreaks havoc on our prece-
    dent involving such offenses. The majority accomplishes this
    by dividing the offense into decontextualized actus reus and
    mens rea components. Isolating these elements from each
    other,2 the majority then concludes that neither element suf-
    2
    The majority objects that I am the one who errs by failing to consider
    the mens rea and actus reus in conjunction with each other. Maj. Op. at
    4326-27. True, the majority purports to “consider the actus reus and mens
    rea requirements together,” 
    id. at 4326,
    and claims to derive its conclusion
    “[b]ased on the combination of § 647.6(a)’s actus reus and mens rea
    requirements,” 
    id. at 4326.
    But nowhere in the opinion does the majority
    consider the two elements together; it is always and only focused on one
    or the other. See, e.g., 
    id. at 4324
    (“The mens rea requirement, like the
    actus reus requirement, does not pose a particularly high hurdle to convic-
    tion . . . .”).
    4350                NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    fices to render the prohibited conduct morally turpitudinous.
    See Maj. Op. 4320-27.
    The majority’s new analysis not only departs from our prior
    analysis, it does violence to the integrity of § 647.6(a). The
    majority does precisely what California courts have expressly
    refused to do: It has completely isolated the actus reus and
    mens rea from each other, bringing about “an unrealistic sepa-
    ration of motivation and acts.” 
    Thompson, 253 Cal. Rptr. at 568
    ; see also 
    id. (“We doubt
    the court [in 
    Carskaddon, 318 P.2d at 4-6
    ] intended to separate the two elements when it
    made its general statement about [§ 647.6(a)].”); People v.
    Dunford, 
    2003 WL 1275417
    (Cal. Ct. App. March 19, 2003),
    at *6 (noting that some, but not all, photography of fully
    clothed children is morally offensive because it is “the moti-
    vation in combination with the perpetrator’s disturbing con-
    duct” that determines whether an act falls within the statute’s
    scope). In the sections that follow, I explain why the majori-
    ty’s actus reus/mens rea analysis is artificial and why it is
    inconsistent with our precedents.
    A
    The majority suggests that a crime cannot involve moral
    turpitude unless the actus reus results in some sort of injury
    to the victim, whether physical or psychological; such injury,
    it implies, is the sine qua non of base or depraved conduct.
    See Maj. Op. at 4323-24. However, as I noted above, we have
    never required a showing of injury as a prerequisite to classi-
    fying a sexual offense as a crime involving moral turpitude,
    and such a requirement is simply irrelevant to determining the
    moral offensiveness of such acts.
    The majority objects that § 647.6(a) covers non-sexual
    touching or behavior involving no physical contact whatso-
    ever. Maj. Op. at 4323. This characterization of the statute’s
    requirements is tendentious at best.3 But even if accurate, the
    3
    The cases cited by the majority involved touchings that were admit-
    tedly not sexual in the sense of involving contact with the victim’s sexual
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                         4351
    majority’s objection simply is irrelevant given our prior
    approach to sexual offenses. For example, the provision at
    issue in our recent decision in Morales provided that “a per-
    son who communicates with a minor for immoral purposes,
    or a person who communicates with someone the person
    believes to be a minor for immoral purposes, is guilty of a
    gross misdemeanor.” WASH. REV. CODE § 9.68A.090(1),
    quoted in 
    Morales, 478 F.3d at 978
    . To violate that provision,
    the defendant need only engage in mere verbal communica-
    tion with a minor “for immoral purposes of a sexual nature.”
    
    Morales, 428 F.3d at 978
    (citing State v. Hosier, 
    133 P.3d 936
    , 941 (Wash. 2006)). Despite the absence of any require-
    ment that there be physical contact, we held that mere
    “[s]exual communication with a minor is inherently wrong
    and contrary to the accepted rules of morality and the duties
    owed between persons.” 
    Id. As such,
    violation of the statute
    “categorically constitutes a crime involving moral turpitude.”4
    
    Id. organs, but
    they certainly were sexual in the sense that the contact was
    motivated by the defendant’s sexual desire. See, e.g., In re Hudson, 
    49 Cal. Rptr. 3d 74
    , 76-78 (Cal. Ct. App. 2006) (noting defendant’s prior con-
    victions for child molestation and his possession of child pornography);
    People v. McFarland, 
    92 Cal. Rptr. 2d 884
    , 886 (Cal. Ct. App. 2000) (not-
    ing defendant’s prior lewd conduct convictions and noting the defendant’s
    statement to the victim’s mother that he “had to come see [her] beautiful
    children”). Again, the majority misses this precisely because of its unwar-
    ranted and entirely novel separation of the elements of the offense from
    each other.
    4
    Our holding in Morales renders irrelevant the majority’s objection that
    because gestures and words are conduct sufficient for conviction under
    § 647.6(a), it cannot categorically be a crime involving moral turpitude.
    See Maj. Op. at 4323 (citing United States v. Pallares-Galan, 
    359 F.3d 1088
    , 1101 (9th Cir. 2004)). It is true that in Pallares-Galan, we rejected
    the contention that convictions under this statute categorically constituted
    child abuse under the Immigration and Nationality Act because it does not
    require physical contact. 
    See 359 F.3d at 1101
    . But the majority provides
    no explanation why, after Morales, we should place any weight on the
    absence of a physical-contact element in determining whether violation of
    § 647.6(a) involves moral turpitude.
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    The majority further objects that § 647.6(a) does not
    require the child to be offended by, irritated by, or even aware
    of the act. Maj. Op. at 4323. This objection again misses the
    point. After all, it is unlikely that many young children are
    aware of the “repulsive [ ] nature” of the act perpetrated upon
    them by their molesters. 
    Schoeps, 177 F.2d at 394
    . Our revul-
    sion at the inappropriate touching of a minor is not amelio-
    rated if the child happens to be sleeping or is otherwise
    unaware of the offensive contact, and we do not view sexual
    communication with a minor less blameworthy if the minor
    fails to recognize the offensive nature of the communication.
    Cf. State v. Hosier, 
    103 P.3d 217
    , 222 (Wash. Ct. App. 2004)
    (noting that it would be absurd to require the minor targeted
    with immoral communication as defined in the statute at issue
    in Morales to be able to understand the offensive nature of the
    communication because that reading would “restrict the stat-
    ute’s application to victims sexually mature beyond their
    years, or [ ] omit from its reach the very victims it is intended
    to protect”). What is lost in the majority’s analysis is the fact
    that we find such acts so repulsive in part because we do not
    expect children to be sexually aware, and because we find
    actions that impose such awareness on them—or take advan-
    tage of their lack of awareness—to be especially depraved. It
    is for precisely this reason that § 647.6(a) criminalizes acts
    that are objectively disturbing or irritating: It would be absurd
    to rely on the subjective feelings of a two-year-old in deter-
    mining whether the act was offensive.5
    5
    The requirement that the conduct be objectively offensive is an impor-
    tant qualifier, as it prevents the statute from being either over- or under-
    inclusive: Objectively offensive conduct does not include conduct that an
    over-sensitive child would find offensive, but it does include offensive
    conduct that a naive child would not recognize as such. See 
    Pallares, 246 P.2d at 177
    (noting that the objective requirement excludes “a childish and
    wholly unreasonable subjective annoyance”); 
    Carskaddon, 318 P.2d at 5
    (“Ordinarily, the annoyance or molestation which is forbidden is not con-
    cerned with the state of mind of the child but it is the objectionable acts
    of defendant which constitute the offense.” (internal quotation marks omit-
    ted)).
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4353
    B
    The majority’s handling of the mens rea element similarly
    upends our precedents. The majority objects that the mens rea
    for § 647.6(a) “does not pose a particularly high hurdle” for
    the prosecution because it provides only for a reasonable
    mistake-of-age defense and requires no specific intent to com-
    mit a crime. Maj. Op. at 4323-26.
    The majority improperly conflates a defendant’s “negli-
    gen[ce] in believing that the victim is eighteen or older” with
    “negligence-based crimes,” which generally do not involve
    moral turpitude. Maj. Op. at 4325-26. A negligent assault, for
    example, “is unintentional, unwitting, and committed without
    contemplation of the risk of injury involved.” Partyka v. Att’y
    Gen., 
    417 F.3d 408
    , 414 (3d Cir. 2005). Whether a
    negligence-based crime is a crime involving moral turpitude
    bears no relation to whether a crime that would otherwise
    constitute a crime involving moral turpitude is subject to a
    negligent mistake-of-age defense. Cf. 
    Castle, 541 F.2d at 1066
    (“It is unnecessary for judicial or administrative officials
    to examine the extenuating factors which an offender [con-
    victed for the crime of carnal knowledge of a minor] might
    raise in his attempt to cleanse himself of the stigma of moral
    obliquity where the commission of the crime itself must nec-
    essarily involve moral turpitude. The inherent nature of the
    offense rather than the circumstances surrounding the trans-
    gression is the determinative element.”). Neither we nor any
    of our sister circuits have ever required the availability of
    such a defense in the context of sexual offenses, particularly
    those directed at minors.
    Under the majority’s mens rea analysis, it is doubtful that
    any statute criminalizing behavior directed at children would
    qualify as a crime of moral turpitude so long as it did not pro-
    vide for a good faith mistake-of-age defense. See Maj. Op. at
    4325-26. Even if such a defense were available, the majority’s
    analysis calls into question whether any crime dependent on
    the victim’s age can categorically involve moral turpitude
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    given the ever-present possibility that a child just below the
    age threshold might be sufficiently precocious that the con-
    duct does not “shock the public conscience.”6 
    Id. at 4322;
    see
    also 
    id. at 4325-26.
    This result would be, to put it mildly,
    counterintuitive: In many instances, it is the fact that the
    wrongful act is directed at a child that makes it especially
    base or vile.
    C
    In sum, however appropriate the majority’s approach might
    be for non-sexual crimes whose moral offensiveness is less
    clear, it is simply irreconcilable with our cases involving sex-
    ual misconduct, particularly where that misconduct is directed
    at minors. A brief example will illustrate this insurmountable
    conflict.
    6
    The majority’s approach would arguably produce the same result in
    cases involving convictions for child abuse, which we have categorized as
    a crime involving moral turpitude. See Guerrero de 
    Nodahl, 407 F.2d at 1406-07
    . Under our precedent, simple assault is not a crime involving
    moral turpitude, and under the categorical approach, even assault with a
    deadly weapon does not constitute such a crime. See, e.g., Carr v. INS, 
    86 F.3d 949
    , 950-51 (9th Cir. 1996); Komarenko v. INS, 
    35 F.3d 432
    , 435
    (9th Cir. 1994); Matter of Short, 20 I & N Dec. 136, 139 (BIA 1989). Yet,
    under California law, the statute defining child abuse is essentially identi-
    cal to the statute defining assault—the only difference is that the former
    statute requires the victim to be a child. People v. Smith, 
    678 P.2d 886
    ,
    891 (Cal. 1984) (“The elements of section 245 [assault with a deadly
    weapon] and the offense here [child abuse] are strikingly similar; the prin-
    cipal difference is that the assault prohibited by section 273a is committed
    on a child.” (footnote omitted)); see also People v. Valdez, 
    42 P.3d 511
    ,
    517 (Cal. 2002) (noting the similarity between child abuse, assault, and
    assault with deadly weapon). If child abuse is a crime involving moral tur-
    pitude only because of the age of the victim, it could not survive the
    majority’s rigorous mens rea requirement. After all, under the categorical
    approach, one would have to account for the possibility that the defendant
    made an “honest but unreasonable” mistake as to the victim’s age, and
    according to the majority, the lack of such a defense would be fatal. Yet
    we and other circuits have held that abuse of a child violates American
    ethics and is therefore a crime involving moral turpitude. See, e.g., Guer-
    rero de 
    Nodahl, 407 F.2d at 1406-07
    .
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                          4355
    The majority’s reasoning directly contradicts our recent
    decision in Morales, where we held that communication with
    a minor for immoral purposes under Washington law is a
    crime involving moral turpitude. 
    See 478 F.3d at 978
    . The
    statute at issue in that case punishes communication—
    whether through “words or conduct”—with a minor “for
    immoral purposes of a sexual nature.” 
    Id. The Washington
    provision requires neither injury nor contact, and it lacks a
    mistake of age defense. In other words, under the majority’s
    approach, it is indistinguishable from § 647.6(a) and should
    not be classified as a crime involving moral turpitude.
    The conflict, however, runs deeper. Not only are the actus
    reus and mens rea elements of § 9.68A.090 analogous to
    those at issue here; the scope of conduct prohibited by both
    provisions is also remarkably similar. We have previously
    noted that much of the conduct prohibited by the Washington
    statute falls outside the scope of sexual abuse of a minor as
    we have defined it, Parrilla v. Gonzales, 
    414 F.3d 1038
    ,
    1042-43 (9th Cir. 2005) (holding that WASH. REV. CODE
    § 9.68A.090 does not categorically involve sexual abuse of a
    minor), and the Washington Supreme Court has confirmed
    that § 9.68A.090 broadly “prohibits communication with chil-
    dren for the predatory purpose of promoting their exposure to
    and involvement in sexual misconduct.”7 State v. McNallie,
    
    846 P.2d 1358
    , 1364 (Wash. 1993). Furthermore, Washington
    courts have noted that the statute must apply even to commu-
    nications not understood by the target, because not to apply
    them in such cases would defeat the very purpose of the stat-
    ute by “restrict[ing] the statute’s application to victims sexu-
    7
    This broad interpretation derives in part from the legislature’s declared
    motivation for enacting this provision: “ ‘The legislature finds that the pre-
    vention of sexual exploitation and abuse of children constitutes a govern-
    ment objective of surpassing importance. The care of children is a sacred
    trust and should not be abused by those who seek commercial gain or per-
    sonal gratification based on the exploitation of children.’ ” State v. McNal-
    lie, 
    846 P.2d 1358
    , 1363 (Wash. 1993) (quoting WASH. REV. CODE
    § 9.68A.001).
    4356                 NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    ally mature beyond their years[ and] omit[ting] from its reach
    the very victims it is intended to protect.” 
    Hosier, 103 P.3d at 222
    . The prohibited conduct includes indirect communication,
    such as sexually explicit notes left on a minor’s lawn, even
    where the minor has herself never seen the notes, or on the
    fence of a kindergarten, even though the children were unable
    to read. See State v. Hosier, 
    133 P.3d 936
    , 940-43 (Wash.
    2006). It can also involve a game of truth or dare at a slumber
    party where the host suggested “dares” to the minors, includ-
    ing “(1) for a 12-year-old boy to walk next door and sexually
    proposition [the host’s] neighbor, (2) for a boy to touch a
    girl’s breasts, and (3) for 12-year-old girls to go outside and
    expose themselves.” State v. Montoya, 2003 Wash. App.
    LEXIS 299, at *11 (Wash. Ct. App. Feb. 25, 2003). If, as we
    held in Morales, the conduct covered by WASH. REV. CODE
    § 9.68A.090 categorically involves moral turpitude, the
    majority is obligated to offer a plausible explanation as to
    how conduct prohibited by § 647.6(a) is materially distinguish-
    able.8
    8
    None of the reasons given by the majority provides a plausible basis
    for distinguishing these two statutes. Maj. Op. at 4327-29. First, the major-
    ity emphasizes that the communications under § 9.68A.090 have the pur-
    pose of exposing the minor to, or involving him or her in, sexual
    misconduct. Maj. Op. at 4327-29. It may be true that the Washington and
    California statutes are not coextensive on this point, but I fail to see why
    it is relevant. California punishes offensive conduct motivated by unnatu-
    ral or abnormal sexual interest. That is surely a form of sexual misconduct
    directed at minors.
    Second, although the specific-intent requirement does represent a mate-
    rial distinction between § 9.68A.090 and § 647.6(a), specific intent has
    never been treated as a dispositive factor in the moral turpitude inquiry,
    as the majority itself recognizes. See Maj. Op. at 4319 (citing In re Torres-
    Varela, 23 I. & N. Dec. 78, 83 (BIA 2001)).
    Finally, just as in § 647.6(a), the Washington statute’s “actus reus
    requirement does ‘not necessarily require harm or injury, whether psycho-
    logical or physical.’ ” Maj. Op. at 4323 (quoting United States v. Baza-
    Martinez, 
    464 F.3d 1010
    , 1015 (9th Cir. 2006)). Given that the majority
    concludes that, absent such a requirement, it cannot find that § 647.6(a) is
    a crime of moral turpitude, 
    id., I fail
    to see how it can simultaneously
    believe that Morales was properly decided and that its test properly states
    the law of moral turpitude.
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4357
    The majority insists that it does not intend to repudiate
    prior decisions finding sexual misconduct to be morally turpi-
    tudinous, but the fact remains that the majority’s test is novel
    and cannot be reconciled with our precedents involving sexual
    misconduct. In those cases, we have never looked either to the
    victim’s injury, awareness, or understanding or to whether the
    defendant acted with specific intent; rather, we have consis-
    tently evaluated the prohibited conduct in light of contempo-
    rary American ethics and the distinction between malum in se
    and malum prohibitum. The majority, with no explanation,
    jettisons this approach and replaces it with a test that fails to
    account for much of what we find most offensive in sexually
    motivated conduct directed at children.)
    III
    The majority’s new, but flawed, method really comes home
    to roost when it analyzes California cases the majority thinks
    prove that we cannot employ the categorical approach. See
    
    Duenas-Alvarez, 127 S. Ct. at 822
    .
    First, the majority completely misstates California law. The
    majority asserts: “[T]he unnatural or abnormal nature of a
    defendant’s sexual interest under § 647.6(a) may be shown by
    the mere fact that the subject of the interest was underage.”
    Maj. Op. at 4324. Then, so that there can be no misunder-
    standing of its position, the majority repeats its misreading of
    California law: “That is, a sexual interest that would be natu-
    ral and normal if motivated by conduct directed at an 18-year
    old becomes unnatural or abnormal under § 647.6(a) if
    directed at someone who is underage.” 
    Id. With all
    due
    respect, that is not California law.
    The majority’s erroneous interpretation of the mens rea ele-
    ment derives in part from a logical error: The majority
    improperly infers the required mens rea from its understand-
    ing of the prohibited conduct, and because the conduct in
    some cases would not be offensive if directed toward an adult
    4358                 NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    woman, the majority reasons that the victim’s age alone
    explains California’s decision to prohibit the conduct. This
    reasoning is precisely backwards. California courts have
    made clear that it is the offensive conduct plus the predatory
    sexual interest that brings conduct within the scope of the stat-
    ute; or stated differently, § 647.6(a) punishes those who have
    an unnatural or abnormal sexual interest in a child and have
    acted that interest out in some objectively offensive way.
    The California courts could not have been more clear on
    this point. As the California Court of Appeal explained,
    § 647.6(a) punishes “an abnormal sexual interest or intent
    manifested by acts of annoyance or molestation toward chil-
    dren.” 
    Brewer, 155 Cal. Rptr. at 648
    (emphasis added); see
    also 
    Lopez, 965 P.2d at 717
    (conduct must be “motivated by
    an unnatural or abnormal sexual interest in the victim” (inter-
    nal quotation marks omitted)); Kongs, 
    37 Cal. Rptr. 2d
    at 331
    (holding that “the acts forbidden [by the statute] are those
    motivated by an unnatural or abnormal sexual interest or
    intent with respect to children”); 
    Thompson, 253 Cal. Rptr. at 568
    (holding that acts must be “motivated by an abnormal or
    unnatural sexual interest in the child victim” to violate
    § 647.6(a)).9 Correctly understood, then, a § 647.6(a) convic-
    tion requires not merely negligence with regard to the vic-
    tim’s age; it also necessarily involves an unnatural or
    abnormal sexual interest in the child victim. This predatory
    sexual interest is sufficiently evil to render the prohibited acts
    morally turpitudinous; indeed, they would be such even if
    directed at an adult.
    Without support for its conclusion in what the California
    courts have said, the majority resorts to selective factual dis-
    tinctions to determine what factual showing § 647.6(a)
    9
    The California Jury Instructions confirm this interpretation of the stat-
    ute. They make the victim’s age an element of the actus reus and describe
    the mens rea simply as “motivated by an unnatural or abnormal sexual
    interest.” CAL. MODEL JURY INSTRUCTIONS § 16.440.
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                 4359
    requires for conviction. It points to three cases, two of which
    are unpublished decisions, and gives us its own reading of the
    facts. See Maj. Op. at 4323-26, 4332-35. I do not think the
    cases fall the majority’s way. In People v. Dunford, 
    2003 WL 1275417
    (Cal. Ct. App. March 19, 2003), for example, the
    California Court of Appeal upheld the conviction of a defen-
    dant who was charged with surreptitiously taking photographs
    of fully clothed young girls. 
    Id. at *1
    -2. The majority thinks
    it obvious that no one would find it “unnatural or abnormal”
    for an adult man to take pictures of non-sexual parts of the
    body of a fully clothed adult woman. See Maj. Op. at 4324-
    25. In most cases, I would agree, but the majority’s hypotheti-
    cal differs markedly from the facts of Dunford and glosses
    over the mental state that brought the defendant’s actions in
    that case within the scope of § 647.6(a). In Dunford, the
    defendant persistently followed three female children and
    photographed them over the course of several weeks in vari-
    ous locations around their neighborhood. Dunford, 
    2003 WL 1275417
    , at *1. Dunford had a previous conviction under
    § 647.6(a) for taking photos of an 11-year-old girl and three
    of her friends with “a camera attached to the belt loop of his
    pants” with “[h]is pants . . . unzipped and his penis . . . pro-
    truding.” 
    Id. at *2
    . On another occasion, the defendant had
    been seen “secretively photographing young girls in bathing
    suits” at a public swimming pool. 
    Id. Nothing in
    Dunford supports the majority’s implication that
    Dunford’s sexual interest was abnormal or unnatural because
    his victims were under the age of eighteen. Indeed, the Cali-
    fornia Court of Appeal was pellucid on this point. It stated
    that “[w]hether the defendant’s conduct was objectively
    annoying is distinct from the issue of whether the defendant
    had an actual perverse sexual motive,” because “[s]ection
    647.6 is violated by conduct that would unhesitatingly irritate
    a normal person and that is motivated by an unnatural or
    abnormal sexual interest in the victim.” 
    Id. at *
    3. It freely
    acknowledged that “the act of viewing children for sexual
    pleasure may not, in itself, be criminal,” and that “a person
    4360                NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    photographing a scene open to the public, without more, does
    not violate section 647.6.” 
    Id. at *
    3-*4. The court concluded:
    Dunford’s argument is premised on the erroneous
    belief that the conduct required under the statute
    must be objectively sexual. . . . [S]ection 647.6 may
    proscribe conduct or acts that are not themselves
    lewd or obscene. Rather the objectively annoying
    conduct must be motivated by an abnormal or unnat-
    ural sexual interest in the child victim. It is the moti-
    vation in combination with the perpetrator’s
    disturbing conduct that limits the scope of the stat-
    ute.
    
    Id. at *
    6 (footnote and citations omitted). I am firmly con-
    vinced that Dunford’s conduct, motivated by such an obvi-
    ously predatory sexual interest, would be offensive even if
    directed at an adult woman, much less at three pre-pubescent
    girls, including one as young as six. California has chosen to
    punish only those with such abnormal and unnatural desires
    who target children. I cannot fathom how that means that
    § 647.6(a) does not categorically define a crime involving
    moral turpitude.10
    10
    The majority’s implication that a defendant’s mental state can never
    render normally innocuous conduct morally offensive reflects an almost
    willful blindness to the danger sexual predators pose to potential victims
    of all ages. To take just one real-world example, the New York Times
    recently reported the controversy surrounding Jack McClellan, a self-
    professed pedophile who spends much of his time taking nonsexual photo-
    graphs of children in public places. Jennifer Steinhauer, Parents’ Ire
    Grows at Pedophile’s Unabashed Blog, N.Y. TIMES, July 27, 2007, at A1.
    McClellan has also created websites where he has posted “nonsexual pic-
    tures of children . . . intended to promote the acceptance of pedophiles,
    and to direct other pedophiles to events and places where children tended
    to gather.” 
    Id. Apparently, in
    the majority’s view, were McClellan to be
    convicted under § 647.6(a), the only reason for deeming his actions mor-
    ally offensive would be that his subjects were underage children; his con-
    duct would be entirely innocuous if directed at adult women,
    notwithstanding his predatory sexual interest in the subjects of his photog-
    raphy, because the photography itself is nonsexual. I cannot agree.
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                          4361
    A second case cited by the majority, People v. Thompson,
    
    253 Cal. Rptr. 564
    (Cal. Ct. App. 1988), is simply irrelevant:
    The defendant in that case did not challenge the trial court’s
    determination that he was motivated by an unnatural or abnor-
    mal sexual interest. Thompson followed a twelve-year old girl
    on a bicycle, passing her some ten times. The child was so
    afraid that she went to a nearby residence—someone she did
    not know—shaking, crying and asking for help. The resident
    noticed the car pass her home an additional three to four
    times. 
    Id. at 565-66.
    On appeal, Thompson claimed that
    § 647.6 required a “lewd or obscene act.” The court rejected
    his argument, stating that the section “only requires proof of
    articulable, objective acts which would cause a normal person
    to be unhesitatingly irritated, provided the acts are motivated
    by an abnormal or unnatural sexual interest in the child vic-
    tim.” 
    Id. at 568.
    The court found that there was sufficient evi-
    dence that Thompson engaged in conduct that, objectively
    viewed, annoyed the victim. The court specifically noted that
    Thompson did “not challenge the sufficiency of the evidence
    of abnormal sexual intent” and did not address that question.
    
    Id. at 568.
    Nothing in Thompson supports the majority’s the-
    ory.
    Finally, Judge Fletcher places the greatest weight on Peo-
    ple v. Villareal, 
    2003 WL 21153430
    (Cal. Ct. App. May 20,
    2003), a two-page, unpublished decision.11 See Maj. Op. at
    4332-36. Villareal arises in an unusual procedural setting.
    11
    Judge Pregerson does not join in Judge Fletcher’s reliance on Villa-
    real, see Concurring Op. at 4341, which means that a majority of this
    panel believes that Villareal does not demonstrate “a realistic probability
    . . . that the State would apply its statute to conduct that falls outside the
    generic definition.” 
    Duenas-Alvarez, 127 S. Ct. at 822
    . Without Villareal
    or any other California case to support the majority’s determination that
    § 647.6(a) criminalizes at least some conduct that is not morally turpitudi-
    nous, we are left simply with the majority’s imaginative conjecture that “a
    misdemeanor conviction under § 647.6(a) can be based on behavior that,
    while criminal, does not rise to the level of a ‘crime involving moral turpi-
    tude.’ ” Concurring Op. at 4341.
    4362             NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    Villareal had prior (unspecified) felony convictions and was
    on probation. His hearing in this case was to revoke his proba-
    tion because he had violated § 647.6(a). Villareal contested
    the sufficiency of the evidence to support the order revoking
    his probation. Villareal had stopped a thirteen-year old girl
    and asked her name and where she was going. Villareal then
    asked her if she had gone “to see the flag,” a reference to a
    remote area known as a “make-out point.” 
    Id. at *1
    & n.2. He
    told her that “when I look at you I see stars,” which the girl
    took—based on the way that he “smirk[ed] at her”—as “inap-
    propriately sexual.” 
    Id. at *1.
    The victim, describing herself
    as “scared and violated,” began running from Villareal, who
    followed her in his truck and continued to talk to her. Villa-
    real finally drove away. The victim complained to her mother,
    a police officer, who confronted Villareal. When a second
    officer arrived and arrested Villareal, he told the second offi-
    cer that the victim was “a cute girl.” At his probation violation
    hearing, Villareal explained that when he saw the victim
    “there was like a glimmering around her like an aura of some
    sort. I see things sometimes. And so it made me excited and
    that’s why I stopped.” 
    Id. at *1.
    He admitted that “his com-
    ment about seeing stars was ‘kind of inappropriate, being that
    it was kind of strange,’ ” and although he denied having any
    sexual intent in speaking to the victim, he stated “I remember
    I felt happy about it, that I had seen that and it seemed kind
    of special and I was happy.” 
    Id. The California
    Court of Appeal concluded in a very brief
    unpublished opinion that there was sufficient evidence to sup-
    port revoking Villareal’s probation. The court first recited the
    standard, conduct (1) that “a normal person would unhesitat-
    ingly be irritated by” and (2) that was “motivated by an unnat-
    ural or abnormal sexual interest.” 
    Id. at *2
    (internal quotation
    marks and citations omitted). The court found that “stopp[ing]
    to talk to a 13-year old girl who was walking alone on an iso-
    lated street,” referring to “a local ‘make out’ spot and to see-
    ing stars” would irritate a normal person and “demonstrate
    that the conversation was motivated by [Villareal’s] sexual
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                 4363
    interest in [the victim].” 
    Id. The court
    pointed to the victim’s
    testimony that she believed that his “comments were sexual
    in nature and testified that he was ‘smirking’ at her.” 
    Id. Judge Fletcher
    claims that he does not question whether
    Villareal is a “proper holding that Villareal violated
    § 647.6(a).” Maj. Op. at 4334. But that is exactly what he has
    done. Judge Fletcher retells the story from Villareal’s
    perspective—Villareal saw a “cute” girl, thought she was
    older, asked her if she had been to a make-out spot, said he
    saw “stars,” and then followed her in his truck to offer her a
    ride. See Maj. Op. at 4332-33. But that sterile retelling is not
    what the victim testified to, or what the trier of fact was
    required to find. The victim told a story of a prelude to a rape
    —of being approached by a stranger who “smirk[ed]” and
    asked “inappropriately sexual” comments; of being followed
    by the man in his truck even after she ran away from him; of
    being “scared and violated.” The trier of fact heard both sto-
    ries, including from Villareal himself, who admitted that his
    comments were “inappropriate” and “kind of strange” and
    admitted that seeing stars around her “made [him] excited”
    and “happy” and “seemed kind of special.” The trier of fact
    determined that Villareal engaged in offensive behavior that
    was motivated by unnatural or abnormal sexual interest in the
    victim, a judgment Judge Fletcher concedes was a “proper
    holding.” Given that Villareal—and every other § 647.6(a)
    case, both published and unpublished—involves conduct that
    fits within our prior definition of “moral turpitude,” I have no
    hesitation in concluding that Nicanor-Romero was convicted
    of a crime involving moral turpitude.
    Finally, I object to the use of an unpublished decision in
    this way. I do not believe that the Supreme Court in Duenas-
    Alvarez meant for us to take the least generous approach pos-
    sible in analyzing state cases under the categorical approach,
    as Judge Fletcher does in his discussion of Villareal. Califor-
    nia courts universally require a showing that the defendant
    was motivated by an abnormal or unnatural sexual interest—
    4364                NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY
    in other words, a predatory interest—in addition to evidence
    that the victim was a minor. In most of the reported cases, the
    court makes clear that the defendant was motivated by that
    type of interest; in the sole reported case the majority cites as
    suggesting that the mens rea is something less, the question
    of the defendant’s mens rea was not even raised on appeal.
    See 
    Thompson, 253 Cal. Rptr. at 566
    . Judge Fletcher is thus
    left with two cases, Dunford, which I have shown clearly sets
    forth the abnormality of the defendant’s sexual interest, and
    Villareal, where the court admittedly spends little time deal-
    ing with the question of the nature of the defendant’s sexual
    interest and which a majority of this panel has found to
    involve a crime of moral turpitude. See Concurring Op. at
    4341.
    Judge Fletcher takes me to task for objecting to his use of
    an unpublished opinion to satisfy the requirements of Duenas-
    Alvarez. See Maj. Op. at 4331. There may be situations where
    the “realistic probability” requirement of Duenas-Alvarez is
    satisfied by relying on unpublished decisions. But this cer-
    tainly is not one of those situations, and this case illustrates
    precisely why it is unwise to rely on a single unpublished
    decision (or to elevate to published status an unpublished Cal-
    ifornia decision, see Maj. Op. at App. A) to determine
    whether there is a “realistic probability” that California prose-
    cutors use § 647.6(a) to convict individuals for non-morally
    turpitudinous conduct. There is no in-depth discussion in Vil-
    lareal, as there likely would be in a published opinion, of the
    elements of the crime. Furthermore, the procedural posture of
    Villareal—revocation of probation, not a trial after indictment
    or information—means that the standard of proof was lower
    than the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard required in a
    criminal trial.12 See Villareal, 
    2003 WL 21153430
    , at *2
    12
    Judge Fletcher says that this distinction only makes a difference if the
    behavior covered by the statute varies with the standard of proof. Maj. Op.
    at 4335. But I suspect that the standard of proof played a major role in
    defense counsel’s strategy at the parole revocation hearing—and, accord-
    ingly, the issues on which the California court commented in its terse two-
    page decision.
    NICANOR-ROMERO v. MUKASEY                  4365
    (“Before revoking appellant’s probation, the trial court was
    required to find by a preponderance of the evidence, that he
    violated section 647.6, subdivision (a).” (emphasis added)
    (citing People v. Rodriguez, 
    795 P.2d 783
    , 785 (Cal. 1990))).
    However it is characterized, Villareal does not demonstrate “a
    realistic probability . . . that the State would apply its statute
    to conduct that falls outside the generic definition.” Duenas-
    
    Alvarez, 127 S. Ct. at 822
    . Given the unanimous view and
    consistent application of the statutory requirements by Cali-
    fornia courts, I do not believe that we may seize on a cursory
    discussion in an unpublished opinion to support a conclusion
    that the statute fails the categorical test. Rather, we should
    evaluate the offensiveness of the defendant’s conduct in Villa-
    real, and in all other cases, in light of the necessary finding
    that the defendant acted with an abnormal or unnatural sexual
    intent.
    IV
    Nicanor-Romero was convicted under a statute that
    requires the willful commission of an act that by its very
    nature is reprehensible and contrary to American ethics. Cali-
    fornia courts view violation of § 647.6(a) as a sex crime
    involving moral turpitude. So should we. I would find that
    Nicanor-Romero is removable under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)
    (A)(i).
    I respectfully dissent.
    

Document Info

Docket Number: 03-73564

Filed Date: 4/23/2008

Precedential Status: Precedential

Modified Date: 10/14/2015

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