United States v. Kyle Grasso , 724 F.3d 1077 ( 2013 )


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  •                 FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                No. 10-50116
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                     2:07-cr-00755-
    DDP-2
    KYLE JOHN GRASSO,
    Defendant-Appellant.           OPINION
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Central District of California
    Dean D. Pregerson, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted
    December 6, 2012—Pasadena, California
    Filed July 26, 2013
    Before: Marsha S. Berzon, Sandra S. Ikuta,
    and Jacqueline H. Nguyen, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Ikuta;
    Partial Concurrence and Partial Dissent by Judge Berzon
    2                  UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    SUMMARY*
    Criminal Law
    The panel affirmed convictions for money laundering,
    bank fraud, loan fraud, and conspiracy to commit loan and
    bank fraud stemming from a Los Angeles-based scheme to
    defraud mortgage lenders.
    Affirming the conspiracy conviction, the panel held that
    the government presented more than sufficient evidence that
    the defendant knew the objectives of the fraudulent scheme.
    Affirming the loan fraud convictions, the panel held that
    a jury could reasonably (1) conclude that the defendant knew
    that his false statements made to obtain a loan would
    ultimately influence a federally insured bank, and (2) find all
    the necessary elements to impose Pinkerton liability.
    Affirming the bank fraud conviction, the panel held that
    there was ample evidence that the defendant was well aware
    of the scheme’s fraudulent objective and that he intentionally
    furthered the fraud.
    Because the money laundering convictions do not raise a
    merger problem with respect to either the loan fraud or bank
    fraud convictions, the panel defined “proceeds” to mean
    “gross receipts,” and concluded that the “referral fees” the
    defendant received from Yoakum Drive and Benedict Canyon
    Drive transactions may be viewed as “proceeds” of the loan
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    and bank fraud. The panel on that basis rejected the
    defendant’s argument that the government presented
    insufficient evidence that his money laundering charges were
    based on “separate and distinct” activity from the Yoakum
    and Benedict transactions. The panel therefore affirmed the
    money laundering convictions under 18 U.S.C.
    § 1956(a)(1)(A)(i).
    Concurring in the affirmance of the conspiracy, loan
    fraud, and bank fraud convictions, Judge Berzon wrote
    separately to express concern that some of the majority’s
    quotations could be read to suggest that a defendant may be
    convicted without participating in a conspiracy, if he simply
    has knowledge of the conspiracy and a “connection” to its
    participants. She dissented from the affirmance of the money
    laundering convictions because the government introduced no
    evidence that the Benedict- and Yoakum-related commission
    payments were made with profits, as opposed to gross
    revenues, of the overall bank fraud scheme.
    COUNSEL
    Karen H. Bucur (argued), Laguna Hills, California, for
    Defendant-Appellant.
    André Birotte Jr., United States Attorney; Robert E. Dugdale,
    Assistant United States Attorney; Jeremy D. Matz (argued),
    Assistant United States Attorney, Los Angeles, California, for
    Plaintiff-Appellee.
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    OPINION
    IKUTA, Circuit Judge:
    Kyle Grasso appeals his convictions for money
    laundering, bank fraud, loan fraud, and conspiracy to commit
    loan and bank fraud, stemming from a Los Angeles-based
    scheme to defraud mortgage lenders. We conclude that the
    evidence adduced at trial, taken in the light most favorable to
    the government, was adequate to enable a rational trier of fact
    to find the essential elements of each conviction. See United
    States v. Nevils, 
    598 F.3d 1158
    , 1163–64 (9th Cir. 2010) (en
    banc). Accordingly, we affirm on all counts.
    I
    We have already explained how this scheme operated in
    United States v. Rizk, 
    660 F.3d 1125
    (9th Cir. 2011)
    (affirming conviction of Lila Rizk, a real estate appraiser in
    the scheme and one of Grasso’s co-defendants). Therefore,
    we provide only a brief overview of the scheme before
    detailing the particular aspects relevant to Grasso’s appeal.
    A
    The scheme, as crafted by Mark Abrams, a mortgage
    broker, and Charles Elliott Fitzgerald, a real estate developer,
    took advantage of the real estate frenzy of the early 2000s.
    The conspirators would enter into a purchase agreement for
    a home in an exclusive Westside Los Angeles community,
    and then obtain a loan for significantly more than the sale
    price, pocketing the extra money. For this scheme to work,
    the conspirators had to exert control over multiple aspects of
    each real estate transaction. Among other things, the sellers
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    and agents had to keep the true purchase price of the home
    confidential; the appraisal reports had to show the falsely
    inflated values of the homes; the title and escrow companies
    had to prepare two sets of documents, one showing the actual
    purchase price (for the seller) and one showing the inflated
    purchase price (for the lender); and finally the Multiple
    Listing Service (MLS) had to show the falsely inflated sales
    price of the homes. Abrams and Fitzgerald coordinated the
    efforts of a range of colleagues to make this conspiracy work.
    Abrams relied on Jamieson Matykowski, one of his
    employees, and Richard Maize, who controlled Americorp
    Funding, among others. Americorp, a mortgage broker,
    would send loan packages to lending agents for review and
    approval. The conspirators generally targeted banks that did
    not require their lending agents to use rigorous documentation
    and approval standards. Over the course of the scheme, the
    conspirators conducted roughly 80 fraudulent transactions.
    The banks that ultimately financed the loans that their lending
    agents approved, including Lehman Brothers (through its
    lending agent, Aurora Loan Services), GreenPoint Bank
    (through its lending agent, GreenPoint Mortgage), and RBC
    Mortgage Company, together lost at least $46 million in the
    Abrams-Fitzgerald conspiracy.
    Grasso was one of Abrams and Fitzgerald’s recruits for
    this scheme. Grasso and his partner Joseph Babajian were
    successful real estate agents in the same affluent area that
    Abrams and Fitzgerald targeted, Westside Los Angeles.
    From 2000 to January 2001, Grasso and Babajian were the
    top-producing real estate agents at Fred Sands Realtors in
    Beverly Hills. Grasso and Babajian subsequently left Fred
    Sands and became affiliated with Prudential California
    Realty. Prudential compensated Grasso and Babajian for
    their move by conveying an ownership interest in several of
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    Prudential’s subsidiaries to Grasso and Babajian’s wholly
    owned company, FSC Ventures. One of these subsidiaries
    was Cal Title, a title insurance company whose lax approval
    process would become instrumental to the co-conspirators’
    operation.
    At trial, the government presented evidence to prove that
    Grasso became involved in the Abrams-Fitzgerald scheme
    some time in 2000 and worked with them through at least late
    2002. According to the government, Grasso participated
    primarily by identifying houses to be included in the scheme,
    ensuring that the seller would keep the sales price
    confidential, managing the information reported in the MLS
    listings, and obtaining the title insurance and escrow
    documents needed for the conspiracy through his access to
    Cal Title. The government’s case against Grasso rested
    heavily on evidence relating to six real estate transactions,
    which we describe in the order they occurred.
    1
    We begin with Grasso’s purchase of a property on
    Claridge Drive, Beverly Hills for his personal use. In July
    2000, after Grasso separated from his wife, he was in the
    market for his own home, and focused on the Claridge Drive
    property. According to the evidence adduced at trial, Abrams
    thought that Grasso’s skills and contacts were useful in
    furthering the scheme and wanted to “ingratiate” himself with
    Grasso to induce him to continue helping with the fraud.
    Therefore, Abrams offered to help Grasso purchase the
    Claridge Drive property by following the same basic
    blueprint used for other transactions in the scheme. Under
    the plan, Abrams would front Grasso the money for a down
    payment, Grasso would obtain an inflated loan, and then use
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    the extra funds to pay Abrams back. According to Abrams,
    Grasso knew how the scheme worked and was a willing
    participant.      Matykowski confirmed that Grasso
    acknowledged he was “going to do one of our deals” by
    inflating the purchase price of the Claridge Drive property “to
    forego putting a large down payment down.”
    The plan moved forward over the summer. Grasso
    entered into a purchase agreement with Jose Menendez, the
    owner of the Claridge Drive property, to purchase the house
    for $890,000.1 In early September 2000, Grasso submitted
    two fraudulent loan applications to Americorp Funding, one
    seeking a first mortgage of $746,250, and the second seeking
    a home equity credit line of $149,200. Both applications
    stated that the purchase price of the home was $995,000, and
    the first application stated that Grasso was making a down
    payment of some $120,000. Americorp submitted Grasso’s
    application to GreenPoint Mortgage. In reviewing the
    applications, GreenPoint Mortgage identified a red flag:
    Grasso already owned a home that had a higher value than the
    Claridge Drive property, which raised the inference that
    Grasso planned to use the Claridge Drive property as a rental.
    In response to GreenPoint Mortgage’s inquiry on this point,
    Grasso falsely stated that he and his wife intended to move
    into the home. Satisfied with that explanation, GreenPoint
    Mortgage approved Grasso’s loans. As was the standard
    procedure for all loans that GreenPoint Mortgage originated
    at that time, GreenPoint Bank funded the loan.
    1
    One version of the purchase agreement showed an inflated $990,000
    sales price, but Menendez testified at trial that his initials on this
    agreement were fabricated.
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    At closing, Abrams’s in-house escrow company prepared
    fraudulent documents reflecting a purchase price of $995,000,
    but sent a settlement statement to Menendez stating the
    correct $890,000 sales price.
    2
    At the same time he was purchasing the Claridge Drive
    property, from August to September 2000, Grasso sought
    Abrams and Fitzgerald’s help with a client’s property on Alta
    Drive in Beverly Hills. The property had been on the market
    for nearly a year, and the seller, Vigen Shaghzo, was putting
    pressure on Grasso to sell it. Abrams and Fitzgerald agreed
    to buy the Alta Drive property if they could work one of their
    fraudulent deals.
    The Alta Drive transaction unfolded as follows. In early
    August 2000, Abrams offered $2,000,000 to Shaghzo in the
    name of Abrams’s father, a straw purchaser. According to
    Abrams, Grasso knew that Abrams’s father was not actually
    purchasing the home. After Shaghzo accepted the $2,000,000
    offer, Grasso withdrew the $2,050,000 MLS listing for the
    house and relisted it for $4,495,000. This false relisting
    caused a problem, however: when Shaghzo found out about
    it, he ordered Grasso to correct the misinformation, and
    Grasso agreed to do so. Abrams and Fitzgerald then
    submitted a fraudulent loan application for an inflated
    purchase price of $4,395,000 to Aurora Loan Services for
    approval. A loan for the full amount was funded by Lehman
    Brothers. After the sale closed in September 2000, and the
    escrow company disbursed the loan proceeds from Lehman
    Brothers, Abrams paid Grasso’s firm $46,436 in
    commissions. Several months later, MLS reported the
    property sold at its true price of $2,000,000. To prevent
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    Aurora Loan Services and Lehman Brothers from seeing this
    accurate listing, Grasso again arranged to change the MLS
    listing to show a sales price of $4,495,000.
    3
    In January 2001, after Grasso became affiliated with
    Prudential and obtained an indirect interest in Cal Title,
    Abrams and Fitzgerald began using Cal Title to provide title
    insurance for their purchases. Cal Title was willing to
    prepare two title insurance policies, one with the inflated
    purchase price (which would be provided to the lender) and
    the second with the actual purchase price (that the seller could
    review). Although Abrams and Fitzgerald attempted to use
    other title companies for their transactions, these companies
    soon declined to work with them, and Abrams and Fitzgerald
    began using Cal Title exclusively, whether or not Grasso or
    Babajian was acting as the agent for the transaction.
    Sometime in 2001, Grasso called Matykowski to
    complain that Abrams and Fitzgerald had been using Cal
    Title for transactions where he was not the agent. Grasso was
    agitated about this development, and forbade the Abrams-
    Fitzgerald team from using Cal Title unless Grasso and
    Babajian were in the deal. Abrams later told Matkyowski
    that he agreed to pay Grasso and Babajian—via Prudential—a
    commission on transactions where Cal Title was involved,
    even when they were not serving as agents.
    4
    From approximately February 2001 through summer
    2002, Grasso represented Abrams and Fitzgerald in their
    acquisition of four additional properties relevant to this
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    appeal. For a property on Mandeville Canyon Road, Beverly
    Hills, Grasso submitted several unsuccessful purchase offers
    using the names of different straw buyers, before submitting
    a third, successful offer on behalf of “Jamieson Matykowski
    and/or assignee.” While the transaction was in escrow,
    Matykowski purportedly assigned the purchase agreement to
    yet another straw buyer. As in the Alta Drive transaction, the
    straw buyer was not the true purchaser and in fact did not
    know the conspirators had used his name. In addition to
    multiple straw purchasers, the conspirators also used two
    different escrow companies: the original escrow company
    resigned after determining it was uncomfortable with the
    transaction, and was replaced by Cal Title. FSC Ventures
    (Grasso and Babajian’s wholly owned company) earned
    $19,231 in commissions for the deal.
    Grasso also assisted the conspirators in purchasing a
    property on Claircrest Drive in Beverly Hills. According to
    Matykowski, Grasso was aware that the conspirators were
    using a straw purchaser for this property, as well. At one
    point, Matykowski testified, he was in Grasso’s office, and
    jokingly told Grasso, “Turn your back for a second I’m going
    to sign this contract.” Matykowski then forged the name
    “Hugo Wendt” on the purchase offer. Grasso treated this
    forgery as “just normal.” Once the seller accepted the offer
    for the Claircrest Drive property, Grasso asked the escrow
    officer to assign the purchase agreement to a different straw
    purchaser. Abrams and Fitzgerald paid FSC Ventures
    $21,490 in commissions for this transaction when it closed.
    In summer 2002, Abrams and Fitzgerald purchased two
    more Beverly Hills properties, one on Yoakum Drive and the
    other on Benedict Canyon Drive. Although they did not use
    either Grasso or Babajian as their real estate agent, they did
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    use Cal Title. Consistent with Abrams’s prior agreement,
    Abrams paid Prudential (which in turn paid Grasso and
    Babajian through FSC Ventures) a three percent commission
    for each transaction, which together amounted to $50,833.
    Abrams made these payments separately after the deals
    closed and the bank had already wire transferred the loan
    proceeds; the payments did not go through escrow or show up
    on the settlement statements for the transactions. Abrams and
    Grasso characterized these payments as “referral fees.”
    B
    In August 2007, a grand jury indicted Grasso for one
    count of conspiracy to commit bank fraud and loan fraud, in
    violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371.2 This charge named Grasso and
    three co-defendants, including Rizk and Babajian, along with
    six other co-conspirators, including Abrams and Fitzgerald.
    Listing nine transactions as overt acts, the government
    alleged that the co-conspirators devised and executed a
    scheme to commit bank fraud against Lehman Brothers,
    GreenPoint Bank, and other federally-insured institutions
    between 2000 and 2003, and to commit loan fraud by
    submitting false statements, reports, and valuations in
    connection with the listed transactions.3
    2
    18 U.S.C. § 371, as relevant here, provides that “[i]f two or more
    persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States,
    or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for
    any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the
    object of the conspiracy,” each shall be subject to criminal penalties.
    3
    These include the Claridge Drive, Alta Drive, Mandeville Canyon
    Road, Claircrest Drive, Yoakum Drive, and Benedict Canyon Drive
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    The indictment also charged Grasso with one count of
    bank fraud and aiding and abetting, in violation of 18 U.S.C.
    §§ 2,4 1344(1);5 seventeen counts of loan fraud and aiding and
    abetting, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 1014;6 and three
    counts of money laundering and aiding and abetting, in
    violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 1956(a)(1).7 The bank fraud
    charge named all four defendants and rested on the same
    allegations as the conspiracy charge. The money laundering
    transactions, as discussed in detail above, as well as three additional
    transactions involving properties at Anacapa View Drive in Malibu,
    Stradella Road in Los Angeles, and Roscomare Road, also in Los Angeles.
    4
    18 U.S.C. § 2 provides that “(a) [w]hoever commits an offense against
    the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces, or procures
    its commission, is punishable as a principal [, and] (b) [w]hoever willfully
    causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another
    would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a
    principal.”
    5
    18 U.S.C. § 1344(1), as relevant here, provides criminal penalties for
    “knowingly execut[ing], or attempt[ing] to execute, a scheme or artifice
    – (1) to defraud a financial institution.”
    6
    18 U.S.C. § 1014, as relevant here, provides criminal penalties for
    “knowingly mak[ing] any false statement or report . . . for the purpose of
    influencing in any way the action of . . . any institution the accounts of
    which are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.”
    7
    18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1), as relevant here, provides criminal penalties
    for “[w]hoever, knowing that the property involved in a financial
    transaction represents the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity,
    conducts or attempts to conduct such a financial transaction which in fact
    involves the proceeds of specified unlawful activity – . . . (A)(i) with the
    intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity . . . [or]
    (B) knowing that the transaction is designed in whole or part – (i) to
    conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or
    the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity.”
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    and loan fraud charges related to specific real estate
    transactions.8 The three money laundering charges related to
    individual “referral” payments that Abrams made to
    Prudential after the Yoakum Drive and Benedict Canyon
    Drive transactions.
    After a jury trial, Grasso was convicted on all conspiracy,
    bank fraud, and money laundering charges, and on the loan
    fraud charges relating to the Claridge Drive, Alta Drive,
    Mandeville Canyon Road, and Claircrest Drive transactions.
    Grasso moved for acquittal on all charges or in the alternative
    for a new trial. The district court denied these motions,
    rejecting his sufficiency of the evidence claims. The court
    sentenced Grasso to twelve months and one day in prison and
    $13 million in restitution.
    II
    On appeal, Grasso argues that the district court erred in
    denying his motion for acquittal, see Fed. R. Crim. P. 29,
    because the evidence was insufficient to support a guilty
    verdict on the conspiracy, bank fraud, loan fraud, and money
    laundering counts for which he was convicted.9
    8
    The loan fraud charges arose from five separate transactions: Claridge
    Drive, Alta Drive, Mandeville Canyon Road, and Claircrest Drive, as
    discussed above, as well as a fifth property that Abrams and Fitzgerald
    purchased on Roscomare Road in Los Angeles. Grasso was acquitted on
    the loan fraud counts relating to the Roscomare Road transaction, which
    are therefore not part of this appeal.
    9
    Grasso also argues that the district court violated his Sixth Amendment
    right to confrontation by admitting a statement from Tim Holland, a co-
    conspirator who controlled one of Abrams’s in-house escrow companies.
    Although the Sixth Amendment limits the admissibility of testimonial
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    We have jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1291. We review
    denials of Rule 29 motions for acquittal de novo. United
    States v. Gonzalez-Diaz, 
    630 F.3d 1239
    , 1242 (9th Cir. 2011).
    In considering a claim that the evidence adduced at trial was
    insufficient to sustain a conviction, “[a] reviewing court must
    consider the evidence presented at trial in the light most
    favorable to the prosecution.” United States v. Nevils,
    
    598 F.3d 1158
    , 1164 (9th Cir. 2010) (en banc) (citing Jackson
    v. Virginia, 
    443 U.S. 307
    , 319 (1979)). This means that “a
    reviewing court ‘must presume—even if it does not
    affirmatively appear in the record—that the trier of fact
    resolved any such conflicts in favor of the prosecution, and
    must defer to that resolution.’” 
    Id. (quoting Jackson, 443
    U.S.
    at 326). Second, the court must determine whether the
    evidence, viewed in that manner, “is adequate to allow any
    rational trier of fact to find the essential elements of a crime
    beyond a reasonable doubt.” 
    Id. (internal quotation marks
    and alterations omitted).
    A
    We begin with Grasso’s appeal of his conviction for
    conspiracy to commit loan fraud and bank fraud. To convict
    Grasso of conspiracy, the government must first prove that a
    conspiracy existed. “To prove a conspiracy under 18 U.S.C.
    § 371, the government must first establish: (1) an agreement
    to engage in criminal activity, (2) one or more overt acts
    taken to implement the agreement, and (3) the requisite intent
    to commit the substantive crime.” 
    Rizk, 660 F.3d at 1134
    evidence, see Crawford v. Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    (2004), co-conspirator
    statements in furtherance of a conspiracy are not testimonial, United States
    v. Allen, 
    425 F.3d 1231
    , 1235 (9th Cir. 2005), and therefore we reject this
    argument.
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    (quoting United States v. Sullivan, 
    522 F.3d 967
    , 974 (9th
    Cir. 2008)). “Once the existence of the conspiracy is shown,
    evidence establishing beyond a reasonable doubt a knowing
    connection of the defendant with the conspiracy, even though
    the connection is slight, is sufficient to convict him of
    knowing participation in the conspiracy.” United States v.
    Meyers, 
    847 F.2d 1408
    , 1413 (9th Cir. 1988). We have
    explained that a defendant may have a “slight connection” to
    a conspiracy even if the defendant did not know all the
    conspirators, did not participate in the conspiracy from its
    beginning or participate in all its enterprises, or otherwise
    know all its details. See United States v. Reed, 
    575 F.3d 900
    ,
    924 (9th Cir. 2009). However, “[i]t is not a crime to be
    acquainted with criminals or to be physically present when
    they are committing crimes.” United States v. Herrera-
    Gonzalez, 
    263 F.3d 1092
    , 1095 (9th Cir. 2001).
    Where the defendant has a connection (even if slight) to
    the conspiracy, the government must also show that the
    defendant’s connection to the conspiracy is knowledgeable;
    “that is, the government must prove beyond a reasonable
    doubt that the defendant knew of his connection to the
    charged conspiracy.” 
    Meyers, 847 F.2d at 1413
    . To establish
    a knowing connection, “[t]here need not, of course, be proof
    that the conspirators were aware of the criminality of their
    objective,” Ingram v. United States, 
    360 U.S. 672
    , 678
    (1959). Instead, the government must show that the
    defendant was aware of “the unlawful object toward which
    the agreement [was] directed,” United States v. Krasovich,
    
    819 F.2d 253
    , 255 (9th Cir. 1987); see also 
    id. (“[k]nowledge of the
    objective of the conspiracy is an essential element of
    any conspiracy conviction.”) (citing 
    Ingram, 360 U.S. at 678
    ). The government may rely on circumstantial evidence
    and inferences drawn from that evidence in order to prove the
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    defendant’s knowing connection to the conspiracy. See
    United States v. Johnson, 
    297 F.3d 845
    , 868–69 (9th Cir.
    2002).
    Here, it is undisputed that the government sufficiently
    proved the existence of a conspiracy to commit bank fraud
    and loan fraud. As we explained in Rizk, “Abrams,
    Fitzgerald, and others associated with them initiated and
    carried out a scheme to defraud mortgage lenders.” 
    Rizk, 660 F.3d at 1128
    . Nor does Grasso contest that he
    participated in the conspiracy; rather, the disputed issue is
    whether he did so knowingly.
    To that end, Grasso argues that the government failed to
    adduce sufficient evidence to prove he had “knowledge of the
    objective of the conspiracy,” 
    id. at 1134. According
    to
    Grasso, Abrams and Fitzgerald targeted and manipulated him
    because of his “highly respected and extremely successful”
    real estate practice in Los Angeles. Grasso claims that the
    evidence showed that his involvement in the conspiracy was
    limited to the legitimate aspects of the real estate transactions,
    and he was unaware of the fraudulent steps in Abrams and
    Fitzgerald’s scheme.
    Viewing the facts in the light most favorable to the
    prosecution, 
    Nevils, 598 F.3d at 1164
    , we conclude that the
    government presented more than sufficient evidence that
    Grasso knew the objectives of the fraudulent scheme. A
    rational jury could determine beyond a reasonable doubt that
    as early as July 2000, Grasso knew that the real estate
    transactions were structured to deceive Lehman Brothers,
    GreenPoint Bank, and other federally insured banks, and that
    he assisted in this deception. The evidence showed that
    Grasso assisted his co-conspirators in convincing lenders that
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    various properties were sold for more than their actual sales
    prices. Grasso personally benefitted from falsely inflating the
    purchase price for his Claridge Drive property, and he
    personally inflated the MLS listing in the Alta Drive
    transaction. He was aware of the role Cal Title played in
    creating two different title insurance policies, one showing
    the inflated purchase price and one showing the true purchase
    price. Matykowski’s testimony that he joked with Grasso
    about forging the signature of a straw purchaser, along with
    other evidence, indicated that Grasso knew that the
    conspirators furthered the scheme by using the names of
    straw purchasers who might not even be aware of the
    transaction. Finally, the evidence showed that Grasso was an
    expert in his field, so the jury could reasonably conclude that
    he was not duped by Abrams and Matykowski into innocently
    carrying out the acts described above.
    We reached a similar conclusion in Rizk. Like Grasso,
    Rizk argued that the evidence was insufficient to establish
    that she knew of the objective of the conspiracy. 
    Rizk, 660 F.3d at 1134
    . We disagreed, holding that a rational jury
    could have found beyond a reasonable doubt that Rizk
    intended to defraud the victim lenders in light of evidence
    that Rizk significantly overvalued the properties in preparing
    her appraisals, requested that the MLS database be
    manipulated to show higher sales prices, and knew her
    appraisals were being used to get loans on the properties. 
    Id. at 1134–35. Like
    Grasso, Rizk also raised the defense that
    she was “duped and used” by Abrams and Fitzgerald, but we
    held that the government had introduced sufficient evidence
    to overcome this defense by showing that Rizk was an
    “experienced appraiser,” “knew that her appraisals were
    being used to finance the purchase of properties,” and “was
    unduly influenced by the values put forth by Abrams and
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    Fitzgerald.” 
    Rizk, 660 F.3d at 1135
    . Here, too, the
    government’s evidence, taken in the light most favorable to
    the prosecution, see 
    Nevils, 598 F.3d at 1164
    , was sufficient
    for the jury to reject Grasso’s exculpatory theory and to find
    beyond a reasonable doubt that he had “knowledge of the
    objective of the conspiracy.” 
    Rizk, 660 F.3d at 1135
    .
    B
    Next, we consider Grasso’s appeal of his convictions for
    loan fraud associated with the Claridge Drive, Alta Drive,
    Mandeville Canyon Road, and Claircrest Drive transactions.
    To obtain a loan fraud conviction, the government must prove
    that the defendant “[1] knowingly [made] any false statement
    or report . . . for the purpose of influencing in any way [2] the
    action of . . . a bank insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance
    Corporation.” 18 U.S.C. § 1014.
    1
    Grasso begins by challenging his loan fraud conviction
    for the Claridge Drive transaction. Grasso claims that the
    government did not prove that he had sufficient knowledge
    that the false statements he made to obtain loans to buy the
    Claridge Drive property would influence a federally insured
    bank, and so failed to prove that he made his false statements
    for that purpose.
    We disagree with this argument. Contrary to Grasso’s
    claims, the government can prove the knowledge element of
    § 1014 by showing that Grasso made false statements for the
    purpose of obtaining a loan, knowing that those statements
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    would be submitted to federally insured banks.10 See United
    States v. Bellucci, 
    995 F.2d 157
    , 159 (9th Cir. 1993) (per
    curiam) (“Section 1014’s proscription of knowing
    misrepresentation reach[es] a defendant’s knowledge of the
    statement’s presentation to banks generally[,] as distinguished
    from a particular bank.”) (internal quotations omitted)
    (quoting United States v. Lentz, 
    524 F.3d 69
    , 71 (5th Cir.
    1975)). In Bellucci, the defendant submitted a loan
    application with false statements through his mortgage
    broker, who eventually conveyed them to a 
    bank. 995 F.3d at 159
    . Because Bellucci had a long career as a developer
    and builder and thus “was familiar with the manner in which
    the lending process operates,” and even testified that he
    understood his broker “would use the loan applications to go
    shop for loans,” the court concluded that “a rational jury
    could easily infer beyond a reasonable doubt that Bellucci
    knew [that his broker] would present his loan application to
    a variety of financial institutions, including banks.” 
    Id. Here, evidence at
    trial showed that Grasso was an experienced real
    estate agent who, like Bellucci, was well-versed in the
    mortgage lending process. For instance, Grasso and his
    partner Babajian, as a team, were the top-grossing real estate
    agents at Prudential in California in 2002. The evidence also
    showed Grasso’s understanding that the Claridge Drive deal
    would operate on the scheme’s basic blueprint, which was
    generally to obtain funding from banks that did not impose
    rigorous standards on their lending agents. Taking this
    evidence together, a jury could reasonably conclude that
    Grasso knew that his false statements made to obtain a loan
    10
    Congress amended § 1014 in 2009 to cover “mortgage lending
    businesses,” but this expanded definition applies only prospectively and
    therefore does not cover the events in this case. Fraud Enforcement and
    Recovery Act of 2009 (FERA), Pub.L. No. 111–21, §§ 2(c)(2), 4(f).
    20                  UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    would ultimately influence an insured bank. See 
    Bellucci, 995 F.3d at 159.11
    2
    Grasso next argues that there was insufficient evidence to
    convict him of loan fraud because he was involved only in the
    legitimate first step of the real estate transactions, had no
    knowledge of the scheme to defraud banks, and did not make
    any false statements to a federally insured financial institution
    in the Alta Drive, Claircrest Drive, and Mandeville Drive
    transactions.12
    This argument also fails. Under Pinkerton v. United
    States, a defendant charged with participating in a conspiracy
    may be subject to liability for offenses committed as part of
    that conspiracy, even if the defendant did not directly
    participate in each offense. 
    328 U.S. 640
    , 647 (1946); see
    also United States v. Hernandez-Orellana, 
    539 F.3d 994
    ,
    1007 (9th Cir. 2008). Pinkerton “renders all co-conspirators
    criminally liable for reasonably foreseeable overt acts
    11
    Grasso also argues that the government failed to demonstrate a nexus
    between GreenPoint Mortgage and GreenPoint Bank that was sufficient
    to satisfy § 1014’s federal jurisdictional element for the Claridge Drive
    transaction. Because we have already concluded that Grasso knew his
    false statements would ultimately influence a bank under Bellucci, we
    reject this argument. Bellucci, 
    995 F.3d 159
    ; cf. United States v. McDow,
    
    27 F.3d 132
    , 136 (5th Cir. 1994).
    12
    Although Grasso addresses this argument to all four of his loan fraud
    convictions (for the Claridge Drive, Alta Drive, Mandeville Canyon Road,
    and Claircrest Drive transactions), it is inapplicable to Grasso’s Claridge
    Drive loan fraud conviction, because Grasso personally made false
    statements in his loan application and related documents for Claridge
    Drive. We affirm that count for the reasons discussed above.
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    committed by others in furtherance of the conspiracy they
    have joined, whether they were aware of them or not.”
    
    Hernandez-Orellana, 539 F.3d at 1007
    . Although we have
    noted there may be due process limitations to imposing
    Pinkerton liability on defendants “with extremely minor roles
    in the conspiracy,” United States v. Bingham, 
    653 F.3d 983
    ,
    997 (9th Cir. 2011), or where “the relationship between the
    defendant and the substantive offense is slight,” United States
    v. Castaneda, 
    9 F.3d 761
    , 766 (9th Cir. 2003), overruled on
    other grounds by United States v. Nordby, 
    225 F.3d 1053
    (9th
    Cir. 2000), such concerns are not present in this case.
    Taking the evidence adduced at trial in the light most
    favorable to the government, a reasonable juror could find all
    the necessary elements to impose Pinkerton liability, contrary
    to Grasso’s contention that he had nothing to do with the
    fraud. Abrams and Matykowski testified that Grasso was
    well aware of the conspiracy’s fraudulent purpose and had a
    substantial role in it by the time the Alta Drive, Mandeville
    Canyon Road, and Claircrest Drive transactions occurred.
    Moreover, Abrams admitted that he committed loan fraud in
    each of these transactions, which took place according to the
    scheme’s basic blueprint. Because Grasso was aware of this
    blueprint, he could reasonably have foreseen Abrams’s loan
    fraud in those transactions. Thus, there is no due process
    problem in holding him liable for Abrams’s acts under
    Pinkerton. Because there is sufficient evidence to uphold
    Grasso’s convictions for loan fraud under Pinkerton, it does
    not matter whether Grasso was aware of when or whether
    Abrams committed the acts constituting loan fraud in each
    transaction. 
    Hernandez-Orellana, 539 F.3d at 1007
    .
    22                  UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    C
    We now turn to Grasso’s appeal of his conviction for
    bank fraud, based on his role in the scheme to defraud
    Lehman Brothers and GreenPoint Bank. The bank fraud
    statute, 18 U.S.C. § 1344(1), provides criminal penalties for
    anyone who “knowingly executes, or attempts to execute, a
    scheme or artifice – . . . (1) to defraud a financial
    institution.”13 Grasso argues that the government failed to
    adduce sufficient evidence that he had knowledge of the
    object of the scheme to defraud banks or that he had the
    requisite intent to defraud. See 
    Rizk, 660 F.3d at 1135
    (stating that one of the “essential elements” of bank fraud
    under § 1344(1) is that the defendant executed or attempted
    to execute the fraudulent scheme “with the intent to
    defraud”).
    In making its case that Grasso was guilty of bank fraud,
    the government relied on the same evidence of Grasso’s
    knowledge that supported his conviction for conspiracy to
    commit bank fraud. Accordingly, Grasso’s argument that the
    evidence was insufficient fails for the same reason that his
    challenge to his conspiracy conviction fails: viewing the facts
    in the light most favorable to the prosecution, there was
    ample evidence that Grasso was well aware of the scheme’s
    13
    In 2009, Congress amended 18 U.S.C. § 20(1), which supplies the
    definition of “financial institution” for § 1344, to cover “mortgage lending
    businesses” such as GreenPoint Mortgage and Aurora. See United States
    v. Bennett, 
    621 F.3d 1131
    , 1138 (9th Cir. 2010). This amendment applies
    prospectively, however, and with respect to the events in this case, the
    only definition of “financial institution” in § 20(1) relevant here was
    “insured financial institution.” FERA §§ 2(a)(3), 4(f).
    UNITED STATES V. GRASSO                           23
    fraudulent objective and that he intentionally furthered the
    fraud. See supra at 16–18.14
    D
    Finally, we address Grasso’s argument that the
    government presented insufficient evidence to convict him of
    money laundering when he received two “referral fees” for
    the Yoakum Drive and Benedict Canyon Drive transactions.
    Grasso argues that Abrams gave him referral fees for access
    to Cal Title, that the loan fraud and bank fraud scheme could
    not have occurred without such access, and, therefore, that the
    money laundering offense merged into the underlying loan
    fraud and bank fraud offenses and cannot be separately
    punished.
    1
    To address this argument, we first consider the relevant
    legal framework. Under the money laundering statute,
    18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1), the government must prove that a
    defendant: [1] knew that money being used in a financial
    transaction was the “proceeds of some form of unlawful
    activity,” and [2] then conducted or attempted to conduct a
    financial transaction with such proceeds; [3] for the purpose
    14
    As he argued with respect to his loan fraud convictions, Grasso also
    contends here that there was an insufficiently close connection between
    GreenPoint Mortgage and GreenPoint Bank to satisfy § 1344’s federal
    jurisdictional element. Because we have already concluded that the
    government adduced sufficient evidence to establish that Grasso knew that
    the scheme was aimed at federally insured banks, we again reject this
    argument. Cf. United States v. Edelkind, 
    467 F.3d 791
    , 797–98 (1st Cir.
    2006).
    24               UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    of either promoting an unlawful activity or for concealment.
    See 18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1) (emphasis added).
    In United States v. Santos, the Supreme Court attempted
    to define the term “proceeds” but could not reach a five-
    justice majority to do so. 
    553 U.S. 507
    (2008). In Santos, the
    defendant was convicted of running an illegal lottery, in
    which “runners” took bets from gamblers and delivered the
    money to 
    “collectors.” 553 U.S. at 509
    . Those collectors, in
    turn, passed the money along to defendant Santos, who then
    paid the runners and collectors for their services and
    disbursed awards to the lottery winners. 
    Id. The government charged
    Santos with money laundering under § 1956(a) on
    the theory that the money used to pay the runners, collectors,
    and lottery winners was the proceeds of his illegal lottery and
    that Santos was using that money to promote the carrying on
    of the lottery activity. 
    Id. at 509–10. On
    appeal, the Court considered whether the word
    “proceeds” in § 1956 meant the gross receipts of an illegal
    activity, or only the net receipts, i.e., the profits of that
    activity. Writing for a four-justice plurality, Justice Scalia
    concluded that both definitions of “proceeds” were plausible,
    and that “because the ‘profits’ definition of proceeds is
    always more defendant-friendly than the ‘receipts’ definition,
    the rule of lenity dictates that it should be adopted.” 
    Id. at 513. In
    supporting this conclusion, the plurality noted that
    defining “proceeds” to mean “receipts” would frequently lead
    to a “merger problem”: “nearly every violation of the illegal-
    lottery statute would also be a violation of the money
    laundering statute, because paying a winning bettor is a
    transaction involving receipts that the defendant intends to
    promote the carrying on of the lottery.” 
    Id. at 515. The
    plurality noted that Congress would not have “wanted a
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    transaction that is a normal part of a crime it had duly
    considered and appropriately punished elsewhere in the
    Criminal Code to radically increase the sentence for that
    crime” by application of the money-laundering statute. 
    Id. at 517. Because
    Santos’s payments to the runners, collectors
    and lottery winners were a normal part of the cost of doing
    business (and not pure profit), the plurality concluded the
    payments did not constitute “proceeds” for purposes of the
    statute. 
    Id. Four justices rejected
    this analysis and dissented. The
    dissent contended that “proceeds” should be defined as “gross
    receipts,” and would leave any “merger problems” to district
    judges’ discretion at sentencing. 
    Id. at 547 (Alito,
    J.,
    dissenting). Under this analysis, Santos’s payments to the
    runners, collectors and lottery winners were made out of the
    gross receipts of the lottery business and thus constituted
    “proceeds” for purposes of the statute.
    Justice Stevens, in a concurrence, rejected both
    definitions of “proceeds,” and adopted a case-by-case
    approach. He was particularly troubled by the fact that the
    dissenting opinion allowed “the Government to treat the mere
    payment of the expense of operating an illegal gambling
    business as a separate offense.” 
    Id. at 527 (Stevens,
    J.,
    concurring). Considering both “common sense” and the “rule
    of lenity,” Justice Stevens agreed with Justice Scalia that
    there was no reason to think Congress intended that “revenue
    generated by a gambling business that is used to pay the
    essential expenses of operating that business,” which is “a
    normal part of a crime it had duly considered and
    appropriately punished elsewhere in the Criminal Code,”
    should also be punished as money laundering. 
    Id. at 528. Justice
    Stevens explained that this result was “particularly
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    unfair in [Santos] because the penalties for money laundering
    are substantially more severe than those for the underlying
    offense of operating a gambling business.” 
    Id. at 527. Congress
    had capped the maximum sentence for engaging in
    an illegal lottery to five years, an “important limitation” that
    would be “eviscerated” if a court could impose a sentence of
    up to twenty years, the statutory maximum for money
    laundering. 
    Id. Justice Stevens concluded
    that Congress
    could not have intended such a “perverse result.” 
    Id. at 528. Although
    Justice Stevens agreed that proceeds meant
    “profits” in the lottery scheme, he agreed with the four
    justices in dissent that proceeds did not mean profits in every
    case. Among other things, he explained, “the legislative
    history of § 1956 makes it clear that Congress intended the
    term ‘proceeds’ to include gross revenues from the sale of
    contraband and the operation of organized crime syndicates
    involving such sales.” 
    Id. at 526–27. Santos
    quickly caught the attention of Congress, which
    amended § 1956 in 2009 to define “proceeds” as “any
    property derived from or obtained or retained, directly or
    indirectly, through some form of unlawful activity, including
    the gross receipts of such activity.” FERA § 2(f). The
    amendments effectively endorsed Justice Alito’s dissent and
    overruled any interpretation of “proceeds” based on Justice
    Scalia’s and Justice Stevens’ opinions. See S. Rep. 111-10,
    at 432 (2009) (explaining that the plurality decision in Santos
    was “erroneous” and “contrary to Congressional intent.”).
    Under the current version of § 1956, there could be no debate
    that Grasso’s “referral fees” for the Yoakum Drive and
    Benedict Canyon Road transactions would be separately
    punishable as money laundering. The 2009 amendments are
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    not retroactive, however, see FERA § 4(f), and so we must
    apply Santos in assessing Grasso’s merger argument.
    In analyzing the three opinions produced by the Santos
    court, we have derived the controlling rule that “‘proceeds’
    means ‘profits’ where viewing ‘proceeds’ as ‘receipts’ would
    present a ‘merger’ problem of the kind that troubled the
    plurality and concurrence in Santos.” See United States v.
    Van Alstyne, 
    584 F.3d 803
    , 814 (2009). Our subsequent case
    law has identified three factors we consider in determining
    when such a “merger problem” arises.
    First, we look to whether a given transaction was a
    “central component” of the underlying scheme. Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    . In Van Alstyne, a defendant was charged
    with 19 counts of mail fraud for running a Ponzi scheme and
    three money laundering convictions. 
    Id. at 809. In
    considering the defendant’s challenge to the money
    laundering convictions, we struck down the two based on
    regular distributions to individual investors in the Ponzi
    scheme.      Because “issuing distribution checks that
    supposedly represented generous returns on his victims’
    investment was a central component of the ‘scheme to
    defraud,’” we held that convicting the defendant of money
    laundering “for the bank transfers inherent in the ‘scheme’
    central to the mail fraud charges” would raise a merger
    problem. 
    Id. at 815. On
    the other hand, we held that the
    money laundering conviction based on the refund of an
    investor’s entire investment after the scheme began to unravel
    did not raise such a merger problem. 
    Id. We reasoned that
    the refund check was not part of the “core scheme” because
    the payment “undermined rather than advanced” the Ponzi
    scheme. 
    Id. at 815–16; see
    also United States v. Bush,
    
    626 F.3d 527
    , 538 (9th Cir. 2010) (reasoning that transfers of
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    proceeds from a four-year, $36 million Ponzi scheme were
    not central to “carrying out the scheme’s objective[s]” in part
    because the defendant had “operated his scheme for several
    years” before transferring funds to his account, and
    concluding that the transfers did not raise a merger problem);
    United States v. Phillips, 
    704 F.3d 754
    , 766 n.11 (9th Cir.
    2012) (looking to whether the money laundering transaction
    was a “central component” of the underlying scheme); United
    States v. Moreland, 
    622 F.3d 1147
    , 1166 (9th Cir. 2010)
    (same).
    Second, we consider whether the inclusion of the money
    laundering charges leads to “‘a radical increase in the
    statutory maximum sentence’ for the underlying offense,”
    because five justices in Santos also expressed this concern.
    
    Bush, 626 F.3d at 538
    (quoting United States v. Kratt,
    
    579 F.3d 558
    , 562 (6th Cir. 2009)).15 In other words, when
    Congress caps a defendant’s maximum sentence for the
    underlying offense at something radically less than the
    maximum sentence for money laundering, we may infer that
    Congress did not intend the “important limitation” on the
    penalty for the underlying offense to be “eviscerated” by the
    penalty for a money laundering conviction. 
    Santos, 553 U.S. at 527
    . By contrast, where a defendant’s underlying mail and
    wire-fraud convictions carried a statutory maximum sentence
    of thirty years, Congress’s choice of penalty would not be
    “eviscerated” by the ten-year statutory maximum sentence for
    money laundering. See 
    Bush, 626 F.3d at 538
    ; see also
    15
    Although the dissent questions our reliance on Bush and Phillips
    because they followed the Sixth Circuit’s approach, see dis. op. at 45–46,
    we see no irreconcilable conflict between these cases and Van Alstyne,
    which did not consider this issue in conducting its merger analysis.
    Therefore, we are bound by our precedent.
    UNITED STATES V. GRASSO                    29
    
    Phillips, 704 F.3d at 766
    n.11 (9th Cir. 2012) (holding that
    Santos’s concern regarding the evisceration of Congress’s
    choice of a low statutory maximum penalty for an underlying
    offense did not apply where the underlying offenses carried
    maximum sentences of twenty years, and the money
    laundering offense carried a lower maximum sentence of ten
    years).
    Third, we generally consider the money used in co-
    conspirator transfers in crimes such as the sale of contraband,
    fraud, or bribery as constituting the “proceeds” of such crimes
    for purposes of the money laundering statute. In United
    States v. Webster, we concluded that when “a money
    laundering count is based on transfers among co-conspirators
    of money from the sale of drugs, ‘proceeds’ includes all
    ‘receipts’ from such sales.” 
    623 F.3d 901
    , 906 (9th Cir.
    2010). We acknowledged that Justice Scalia’s plurality
    opinion stated that the merger problem might exist for certain
    payments among conspirators, but concluded that this was a
    minority view that was not controlling. 
    Id. Rather, we relied
    on the four justices in dissent, plus Justice Stevens, who
    agreed that “the legislative history of § 1956 makes it clear
    that Congress intended the term ‘proceeds’ to include gross
    revenues from the sale of contraband and the operation of
    organized crime syndicates involving such sales.” 
    Id. In United States
    v. Wilkes, we extended Webster’s
    rationale beyond drug cases and into the context of fraud and
    bribery. 
    662 F.3d 524
    (9th Cir. 2011). In Wilkes, the
    ringleader of a scheme involving kickbacks to a Congressman
    in exchange for lucrative government contracts challenged his
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    conviction of concealment money laundering.16              The
    defendant challenged his conviction on two grounds. He first
    argued that his use of multiple transfers to indirectly pay off
    the Congressman did not constitute “concealment,” 
    id. at 545–47. Second,
    relying on Santos, Wilkes argued that his
    transfer of funds to pay off the Congressman “was merely an
    expense associated with the bribery, and, thus, not
    ‘proceeds’” under the money laundering statute. 
    Id. at 548–49. We
    rejected both arguments. We first held that the
    government had proven concealment because “the effort to
    disguise the source of the money was an additional act that is
    separately punishable.” 
    Id. at 547. With
    respect to
    defendant’s Santos argument that there was insufficient
    evidence that the bribes constituted “proceeds,” we concluded
    that “[u]nder Webster, [the defendant’s] money laundering
    count was based on a transfer to a co-conspirator of money
    from honest services fraud and bribery such that ‘proceeds’
    would include all ‘receipts’ from the fraud.” 
    Id. at 549. Accordingly,
    we rejected defendant’s argument that because
    the kickback payments were an inherent part of the scheme to
    defraud, they could not constitute proceeds for purposes of
    the money laundering statute, and concluded that defendant’s
    transfers to the Congressman “constituted ‘proceeds’ of the
    scheme to defraud,” 
    id. 16 To establish
    the sort of concealment money laundering involved in
    Wilkes, the government was required to prove that the defendant: [1]
    knew that money being used in a financial transaction was the “proceeds
    of some form of unlawful activity,” and [2] then conducted a financial
    transaction with such proceeds; [3] “to conceal or disguise the nature, the
    location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds.”
    18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(B)(i) (emphasis added). Because both promotional
    and concealment money laundering require the government to prove that
    the defendant knowingly used the “proceeds” of an unlawful activity,
    Wilkes’s analysis of Santos is applicable here. Cf. Dis. op. at 44.
    UNITED STATES V. GRASSO                              31
    We disagree with the dissent’s argument that Wilkes’s
    determination that kickback payments to the Congressman
    were “proceeds” is inconsistent with Van Alstyne. Dis. op. at
    45. Van Alstyne did not have occasion to address co-
    conspirator transfers, while Webster and Wilkes appropriately
    relied on five justices’ views in Santos in concluding that
    such transfers did not raise a merger problem. Van Alstyne’s
    statement that a merger problem may be triggered when
    confederates in a scheme shared profits was based on a
    summary of Justice Scalia’s plurality 
    opinion, 584 F.3d at 815
    , and does not necessarily extend beyond the situation
    identified by Justice Stevens, that of illegal gambling
    operations. Accordingly, we are bound by our precedent in
    Webster and Wilkes.17
    17
    The dissent’s reliance on the Fourth Circuit’s opinion in United States
    v. Cloud, 
    680 F.3d 396
    , 407 (4th Cir. 2012) is also misplaced. In defining
    and applying “essential expenses,” Cloud relies on the Santos plurality’s
    reasoning that the term “proceeds” excludes any payout to a co-
    conspirator. 
    Id. at 403–09. We
    have not interpreted Santos so broadly,
    relying instead on Justice Stevens’s case-by-case approach. See, e.g.,
    
    Wilkes, 662 F.3d at 549
    . Other circuits have likewise refused to interpret
    Santos as broadly as the Fourth Circuit. See 
    Kratt, 579 F.3d at 562
    (holding that “proceeds” means “profits” only when imposing a money
    laundering count “leads to a radical increase in the statutory maximum
    sentence, and only when nothing in the legislative history suggests that
    Congress intended such an increase”); Garland v. Roy, 
    615 F.3d 391
    , 402
    (5th Cir. 2010) (applying the presumption that “proceeds” means “gross
    receipts” unless there is adequate legislative history to rebut the
    presumption); United States v. Fishman, 
    645 F.3d 1175
    , 1193–94 (10th
    Cir. 2011) (holding, in light of the fractured nature of Santos, that the
    opinion is confined to its factual setting so that “proceeds” means “profits”
    only where an illegal gambling operation is involved); United States v.
    Demarest, 
    570 F.3d 1232
    , 1242 (11th Cir. 2009) (same).
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    2
    We now apply these principles to Grasso’s argument that
    the government’s money laundering charges for the Yoakum
    Drive and Benedict Canyon Road transactions raise a merger
    problem. Under the applicable case law, Grasso’s argument
    turns on whether the government has provided sufficient
    evidence that the referral fees are “proceeds” of loan fraud
    and bank fraud. We first consider whether viewing
    “proceeds” as “receipts” in this context would raise a merger
    problem “of the kind that troubled the plurality and
    concurrence in Santos.” Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 814
    .
    On their face, the loan fraud counts do not raise such a
    merger problem. The loan fraud statute, § 1014, criminalizes
    knowingly “mak[ing] any false statement or report” to
    defraud an insured institution, while § 1956 criminalizes
    knowingly “conduct[ing] a financial transaction” involving
    proceeds of an unlawful activity for specified purposes.
    Because these statutes criminalize different types of behavior,
    the money laundering counts did not increase Grasso’s
    sentence for the same behavior underlying the loan fraud
    counts.
    Unlike the loan fraud counts, the bank fraud count
    charged Grasso with the entire Abrams-Fitzgerald “scheme
    to defraud,” and so encompasses the Yoakum Drive and
    Benedict Canyon Drive transactions. But we reject Grasso’s
    merger argument here as well. First, Abrams’s two kickbacks
    to Grasso were not a “central component” of the underlying
    scheme. Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    . Given that the
    Abrams and Fitzgerald scheme lasted three years and
    involved roughly 80 fraudulent transactions, and that Abrams
    and Fitzgerald generally secured access to Cal Title through
    UNITED STATES V. GRASSO                           33
    Grasso’s participation in their real estate transactions, the two
    isolated referral payments to Grasso at the end of the scheme
    were not “central” to the scheme’s success. See 
    Bush, 626 F.3d at 537
    . The fact that the scheme operated
    successfully for several years before Abrams and Fitzgerald
    ever gave Grasso a kickback is powerful evidence of the
    kickbacks’ “irrelevance to the overarching fraud scheme.” 
    Id. Moreover, Abrams’s kickbacks
    to Grasso drained off funds
    that Abrams could have re-invested in purchasing another
    property to extract fraudulent loan proceeds, thus hindering
    the scheme in the same way the returned investment in Van
    Alstyne hindered the defendant’s Ponzi scheme. Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    –16.
    Second, the inclusion of the money laundering charges
    did not threaten “‘a radical increase in the statutory maximum
    sentence’ for the underlying offense.” 
    Bush, 626 F.3d at 538
    (quoting 
    Kratt, 579 F.3d at 562
    ). Here, the underlying bank
    fraud count has a 30-year statutory maximum, while the
    money laundering count has a 20-year statutory maximum.
    As in Bush and Phillips, the statutory cap on the penalty for
    bank fraud is not “eviscerated” by the maximum penalty for
    money laundering, and thus raises no inference regarding
    Congressional intent.18 Finally, we have declined to define
    18
    As noted above, the Santos plurality and Justice Stevens focused on
    how a money laundering charge could affect the statutory maximum
    chosen by Congress for the underlying offense. This question of
    Congressional intent is distinct from a district court’s exercise of
    discretion in fashioning an appropriate sentence, which is inherently
    limited by the Sentencing Guidelines and the parsimony principle of
    18 U.S.C. § 3553(a). Here, for instance, Grasso’s guidelines range was 97
    to 121 months, but he received just twelve months and one day of
    imprisonment for his crimes. See 
    Phillips, 704 F.3d at 766
    n.11; see also
    
    Bush, 626 F.3d at 538
    .
    34              UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    “proceeds” to mean “profits” when a money laundering
    conviction is based on kickbacks and transfers to co-
    conspirators in schemes to defraud such as Abrams’s. See
    
    Wilkes, 662 F.3d at 547
    .
    Because the money laundering convictions in this case do
    not raise a merger problem with respect to either the loan
    fraud or bank fraud convictions, we define “proceeds” to
    mean “gross receipts,” and conclude that these referral fees
    may be viewed as “proceeds” of the loan and bank fraud. On
    that basis, we reject Grasso’s argument that the government
    presented insufficient evidence that his money laundering
    charges were based on “separate and distinct” activity from
    the Yoakum Drive and Benedict Canyon Drive transactions.
    It is undisputed that the remaining elements of promotion
    money laundering, under § 1956(a)(1)(A)(i), were fulfilled
    here. The government adduced evidence that Grasso knew
    that the referral fees were derived from the Benedict Canyon
    and Yoakum Drive transactions, and that Grasso knew these
    activities involved bank and loan fraud. Further, the
    testimony of Abrams and Matykowski sufficiently
    demonstrates that Grasso had the requisite intent to promote
    the carrying on of loan fraud, as his demands for money were
    intended to ensure the conspirators’ ongoing access to Cal
    Title. We therefore affirm Grasso’s money laundering
    conviction under § 1956(a)(1)(A)(i), and need not consider
    whether it could be alternatively upheld under
    § 1956(a)(1)(B)(i).
    III
    We conclude that there was sufficient evidence to support
    Grasso’s convictions for conspiracy, loan fraud, bank fraud,
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    and money laundering, and that the district court therefore did
    not err in denying Grasso’s motion for acquittal.
    AFFIRMED.
    BERZON, Circuit Judge, concurring in part and dissenting in
    part:
    I concur in Parts I and II.A–C of the panel’s opinion but
    write separately with regard to Part II.A and respectfully
    dissent from Part II.D.
    I.
    The Reed case relied on in Part II.A of the panel’s opinion
    says the following: “Once a conspiracy is established, only a
    slight connection to the conspiracy is necessary to support a
    conviction. The term ‘slight connection’ means that a
    defendant need not have known all the conspirators,
    participated in the conspiracy from its beginning, participated
    in all its enterprises, or known all its details. A connection to
    the conspiracy may be inferred from circumstantial evidence.
    Innocent association, even if it is knowing, does not amount
    to a ‘slight connection.’” United States v. Reed, 
    575 F.3d 900
    , 924 (9th Cir. 2009) (internal citations, quotation marks,
    and alterations omitted); see Maj. Op. at 15–16. The majority
    relies on Reed, and, although it slightly paraphrases the
    language of the opinion, I understand the majority opinion to
    incorporate Reed’s holding concerning the limited import of
    the “slight connection” locution. I therefore concur in Part
    II.A of the opinion.
    36                   UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    I nonetheless write separately, to express my concern that
    some of the quotations in Part II.A could be read, in isolation,
    to suggest that a defendant may be convicted without in any
    way participating in a conspiracy, if he simply has knowledge
    of the conspiracy and a “connection” to its participants. See
    Maj. Op. at 15–16. That, of course, is not the law. See, e.g.,
    United States v. Tran, 
    568 F.3d 1156
    , 1164–65 (9th Cir.
    2009) (reversing a conspiracy conviction because there was
    no “evidence . . . from which it could be inferred — much
    less proved beyond a reasonable doubt — that [the defendant]
    participated in the conspiracy in any manner”) (emphasis
    added).
    More than thirty-five years ago, a panel of this court
    endeavored to provide greater clarity regarding one aspect of
    the law of conspiracy, and in so doing, emphasized the risk of
    “proliferat[ing]” “statement[s]” of law that are “highly
    misleading if taken out of the context of the particular cases
    in which . . . made.” See United States v. Dunn, 
    564 F.2d 348
    , 356 (9th Cir. 1977).1 In the process, the court stated that
    “evidence establishing beyond a reasonable doubt a
    connection of a defendant with [a] conspiracy, even though
    the connection is slight, is sufficient to convict him with
    knowing participation in the conspiracy.” 
    Id. at 357 (emphasis
    added). At the same time, the panel noted that
    “after much reflection, [it was] of the mind that” that
    1
    In Dunn, the government argued that “‘[o]nce the existence of a
    conspiracy is clearly established, slight evidence may be sufficient to
    connect a defendant with it,’ quoting from United States v. Knight,
    
    416 F.2d 1181
    , 1184 (9th Cir. 1969).” 
    Id. at 356 (some
    internal quotation
    marks omitted). We observed that the quoted statement from Knight
    “obviously was [not] intended to state . . . the law regarding evidence,” 
    id., and clarified that
    the evidence must be “establish[ed] beyond a reasonable
    doubt,” 
    id. at 357. UNITED
    STATES V. GRASSO                      37
    statement of law “may be of doubtful appellate application
    when the issue for review concerns whether the defendant
    was connected with the conspiracy at all.” 
    Id. at 357 n.21.
    The court quoted with approval a decision of the Fifth
    Circuit, explaining that this rule “‘finds its proper application
    where persons are clearly connected to the conspiring group
    or are found acting in such a manner as unmistakably to
    forward its purposes.’” 
    Id. at 357 n.21
    (quoting United States
    v. Alvarez, 
    548 F.2d 542
    , 544 (5th Cir. 1977)).
    Despite the doubts expressed by the Dunn court, in the
    intervening years, we have “repeatedly proliferated . . . th[e]
    statement” that a defendant may be convicted of “knowing
    participation in [a] conspiracy” based on evidence of a
    “slight” “connection” with the conspiracy. See 
    id. at 356–57. As
    other judges have noted, this is a misleading, or at least
    ambiguous, standard. It could be read to “mean that once A
    and B conspire, . . . [a] ‘slight connection’ is enough to
    convict C of the same crime, an intolerable proposition.” See
    United States v. de Ortiz, 
    883 F.2d 515
    , 524 (7th Cir. 1989)
    (Easterbrook, J., concurring), reh’g granted and judgment
    vacated on other grounds, 
    897 F.2d 220
    (7th Cir. 1990). It
    also could be read to “mean that an appellate court must keep
    in mind the possibility that evidence may be slight
    quantitatively although substantial qualitatively — that a
    single piece of evidence may be enough in context, an
    unexceptionable proposition.” 
    Id. On the other
    hand,
    “[m]ere casual association with conspiring people is not
    enough,” see United States v. Bautista-Avila, 
    6 F.3d 1360
    ,
    1362 (9th Cir. 1993), though on its face, “casual association”
    certainly sounds like a “slight connection.”
    As Judge Easterbrook has observed, the phrase “slight
    connection” is ultimately best understood to mean that “if
    38              UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    someone joins the conspiracy, ‘slight’ activity to accomplish
    its objectives is enough, that peripheral conspirators commit
    the crime no less than the mastermind.” See de 
    Ortiz, 883 F.2d at 524
    . “This interpretation follows the definition
    of the crime (agreement plus one overt act) and is not
    troubling. That we have to tease it out of a formula with
    dubious alternative meanings, though, is a mark against its
    use.” 
    Id. A panel of
    the Second Circuit has agreed. See
    United States v. Huezo, 
    546 F.3d 174
    , 184–85 (2d Cir. 2008)
    (Newman, J., concurring, joined by Walker, J., and
    Sotomayor, J., in relevant part).
    Here, there is no doubt that Grasso committed overt acts
    in furtherance of the conspiracy. As the panel opinion
    explains, Grasso “assisted his co-conspirators in convincing
    lenders that various properties were sold for more than their
    actual sales prices.” Maj. Op. at 16–17. He also “personally
    inflated the MLS listings in the Claridge Drive and Alta Drive
    transactions.” Maj. Op. at 17. We therefore have no
    occasion to consider whether our case law repeating the
    “slight connection” standard is a useful statement of the law
    “when the issue for review concerns whether the defendant
    was connected with the conspiracy at all,” see 
    Dunn, 564 F.2d at 357
    n.21, or whether, instead, the use of the
    phrase “slight connection” should be abandoned as
    ambiguous and misleading.
    II.
    I respectfully dissent from Part II.D. Under our case law,
    Grasso’s convictions for money laundering cannot stand.
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    A.
    As the majority recognizes, under the statute here
    applicable, 18 U.S.C. § 1956 (2006), now superseded,2 a
    defendant ordinarily could not be charged with both a
    criminal offense and a separate money laundering offense for
    the same conduct, when the “very nature of the scheme
    require[d] . . . [the] payment[]” that is charged as money
    laundering. See United States v. Van Alstyne, 
    584 F.3d 803
    ,
    814 (9th Cir. 2009). Such double charging — which we have
    denominated the “merger problem” — was only permissible
    if the government proved that the payment charged as money
    laundering was made with the “profits (as opposed to gross
    proceeds)” of the underlying scheme. See United States v.
    Ali, 
    620 F.3d 1062
    , 1072 (9th Cir. 2010). To determine
    whether a money laundering charge triggered the “merger
    problem,” we “must focus on the concrete details of the
    particular scheme” underlying the separate criminal charges
    against the defendant. See Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    (internal quotation marks omitted).
    As is clear from the majority’s own explanation of the
    intricacies of the scheme in which Grasso was involved, the
    money laundering counts charged Grasso with conducting
    payment of “essential expenses of” the bank fraud with which
    Grasso was also charged. See United States v. Santos,
    
    553 U.S. 507
    , 528 (2008) (Stevens, J., concurring). The bank
    fraud count charged Grasso with carrying out a “scheme and
    artifice to defraud the victim lenders,” including Lehman
    Brothers, GreenPoint Bank, and RBC Mortgage Company.
    See 18 U.S.C. § 1344. “[I]nstrumental to the co-conspirators’
    2
    See 18 U.S.C. § 1956(c)(9) (2009).
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    operation” was their use of Cal Title — in which Grasso held
    an “ownership interest” — “to prepare . . . title insurance
    policies . . . with [an] inflated purchase price.” See Maj. Op.
    at 6, 9. The co-conspirators then “provided” the falsified title
    reports “to the lender[s],” to obtain inflated loans. See 
    id. at 9. “Although
    Abrams and Fitzgerald [initially] attempted to
    use other title companies for their transactions, these
    companies soon declined to work with them, and Abrams and
    Fitzgerald began using Cal Title exclusively, whether or not
    Grasso . . . was acting as the agent for the transaction.” See
    
    id. Relevant here, Abrams
    and Fitzgerald used Cal Title to
    submit lenders with false title reports for the Benedict
    Canyon and Yoakum Drive transactions.
    The money laundering counts, in turn, charged Grasso
    with successfully demanding that his co-conspirators —
    Abrams and Fitzgerald — pay him commissions for their use
    of Cal Title in carrying out the Benedict Canyon and Yoakum
    Drive transactions. See 18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1)(A)(i).
    Without Cal Title, the scheme could not have generated the
    false title reports necessary to obtain inflated loans from the
    defrauded lenders. Grasso “forbade” his co-conspirators from
    using Cal Title unless they paid him a commission. See Maj.
    Op. at 9. “The very nature of the scheme thus required” the
    co-conspirators to make regular commission payments to
    Grasso. See Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    .
    Nor is it of any moment that, as the government argues,
    the payments to Grasso for services provided also
    “promote[d] future fraud.” The Fourth Circuit recently
    rejected a similar argument in a case reversing a defendant’s
    money laundering convictions arising out of an “extensive
    mortgage fraud conspiracy.” See United States v. Cloud,
    
    680 F.3d 396
    , 399 (4th Cir. 2012). The scheme there at issue
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    “involved convincing people to invest in real estate properties
    that, unbeknownst to the buyers, Cloud had recently
    purchased for a lesser amount. The scheme also involved
    falsification of loan applications . . . .” See United States v.
    Abdulwahab, 
    715 F.3d 521
    , 530 (4th Cir. 2013) (discussing
    
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 399–400
    ) (internal citation omitted).
    Cloud “lured his coconspirators with promises of payment,”
    including commissions for recruiting buyers to the scheme.
    See 
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 405
    , 407. In response to the
    government’s contention that the payments were designed
    only “to perpetuate the scheme,” and therefore constituted
    promotional money laundering, see 18 U.S.C.
    § 1956(a)(1)(A)(i), the court emphasized that the payments
    were also for “services performed,” namely for “past and
    essential expenses of [the] mortgage fraud conspiracy,”
    
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 407–08
    .
    Indeed, any payment for services already rendered in the
    context of a fraud scheme also promotes future fraudulent
    activity by the person paid, by creating an expectation that the
    person will be paid again. In any case involving ongoing
    fraud, the government’s approach — which, I note, the
    majority does not endorse — would obliterate the limitations
    our cases have set forth regarding the merger problem.
    Because the government introduced no evidence that the
    Benedict- and Yoakum-related commission payments were
    made with profits, as opposed to gross revenues, of the
    overall bank fraud scheme, Grasso’s convictions for money
    laundering must be reversed. See Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    .
    42               UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    B.
    To avoid the straightforward result compelled by our
    precedents, the majority points to four reasons why the
    transactions charged as money laundering, despite being
    necessary to the fraud scheme, supposedly pose no merger
    problem. None of the majority’s theories works.
    1.
    First, contrary to the majority’s assertion, the payments to
    Grasso for the Benedict and Yoakum transactions did not
    “hinder[] the scheme.” See Maj. Op. at 33. For that dubious
    proposition, the majority relies on our decision in Van
    Alstyne, in which we construed a “Ponzi scheme [that]
    depended on attracting new investments and using some but
    not all of the amount collected to pay returns to earlier
    investors.” See Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    . We held that
    “distribution checks” periodically issued to individual
    investors pursuant to the scheme were not chargeable as both
    mail fraud and money laundering. 
    Id. The checks were
    funded not by any investment returns, “but by the investors’
    own principal,” and were issued to cause investors to
    “believe[] they had invested wisely,” and to encourage them
    to invest additional funds. See 
    id. at 808–09, 815.
    Because
    issuance of the checks was necessary to inspire investor
    confidence in the Ponzi scheme and to attract additional
    investment, the distribution checks were “a central
    component of the scheme to defraud,” and therefore ran
    squarely into the merger problem. See 
    id. at 815 (internal
    quotation marks omitted).
    With regard to a separate transaction — on which the
    majority focuses — we held that there was no merger
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    problem. See 
    id. at 815–16. That
    transaction was a “full[]
    refund[]” of “one investor’s [initial] outlay,” pursuant to that
    investor’s demand. See 
    id. at 815. “Returning
    the entire
    amount of th[at] . . . investment,” we explained, “undermined
    rather than advanced the core scheme, as the funds returned
    . . . would not be available to lull other investors into
    maintaining their investment.” 
    Id. at 815–16. Unlike
    the full refund in Van Alstyne, Grasso’s
    commission payments for use of Cal Title were “essential
    expenses” of the underlying fraudulent scheme. See 
    Santos, 553 U.S. at 528
    (Stevens, J., concurring). As explained, after
    some time, Cal Title was the only title company that Grasso’s
    co-conspirators could use to generate the necessary false
    reports. To use Cal Title, the conspirators had to pay Grasso
    a commission. Like the periodic distribution payments that
    presented a merger problem in Van Alstyne, the commission
    payments to Grasso prevented the scheme from using some
    amount of funds to expand the scheme even further, but that
    is always the case when a scheme pays its “essential”
    “operating” “expenses,” such as the commissions paid to the
    “runners” who “gathered bets from gamblers” in the lottery
    scheme in Santos. See 
    id. (emphasis added); id.
    at 509
    (plurality opinion). By construing a necessary payment as
    somehow undermining the fraud, the majority’s strained
    analogy to the money laundering count upheld in Van Alstyne
    threatens to eviscerate Santos’s core holding.
    2.
    The majority fares no better by contending that the
    merger problem vanishes because Abrams paid Grasso
    commissions only for the Benedict and Yoakum transactions,
    and not for other fraudulent transactions carried out earlier.
    44               UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    See Maj. Op. at 32. Abrams’s commission payments to
    Grasso were in fact an integral part of each instance of bank
    fraud once title companies other than Cal Title refused to
    participate in the conspirators’ scheme.
    In support of its pronouncement that the payments to
    Grasso for services rendered were “irrelevan[t] to the
    overarching fraud[ulent] scheme,” Maj. Op. at 33, the
    majority relies on a case which, on plain error review,
    construed eighteen monetary transactions to the defendant’s
    personal bank account as not “central to carrying out the
    scheme’s objective[s],” United States v. Bush, 
    626 F.3d 527
    ,
    533, 537–38 (9th Cir. 2010). Again, “the concrete details of
    the particular scheme” must be examined to understand the
    context for the court’s analysis. See Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    (internal quotation marks omitted).
    In Bush, the transactions charged as money laundering
    were complete before some of the conduct separately charged
    as fraud was even carried out. See 
    Bush, 626 F.3d at 537
    –38.
    There was no merger problem with regard to separate wire-
    fraud charges — related to a Ponzi scheme — because the
    “necessity of the transfers . . . was limited to Bush’s personal
    interest in veiling the sources of his income from public
    authorities.” 
    Id. at 538. The
    court explained that the
    transactions were made only after authorities began
    investigating his business associates; “[r]ather than risk
    investors sending money directly to his [business] account,
    Bush deflected attention by steering the investments overseas
    first.” 
    Id. As the court
    appropriately recognized, “[t]aking
    additional steps to hide completed criminal activity is not
    central to the solicitations necessary for a Ponzi scheme to
    continue operating.” 
    Id. UNITED STATES V.
    GRASSO                       45
    Here, Grasso’s demands that his co-conspirators pay him
    commissions essential to the ongoing fraudulent scheme
    cannot fairly be analogized to the transactions in Bush. The
    commissions were not simply payments for participation in
    the conspiracy but for providing an essential service, once the
    service was not otherwise obtainable.
    3.
    Nor is the merger problem mitigated by the fact that the
    money laundering count exposed Grasso “only” to “an
    additional 20 years of imprisonment,” beyond the 30-year
    “statutory maximum for the underlying bank fraud charge.”
    See 
    Bush, 626 F.3d at 538
    ; Maj Op. at 33.
    As an initial matter, it is far from clear that under our case
    law, the extent of the increase in the statutory maximum
    sentence is a relevant consideration in determining whether
    the merger problem exists. In Van Alstyne, we noted that the
    Sixth Circuit held that proceeds “‘means profits only when
    the § 1956 predicate offense creates a merger problem that
    leads to a radical increase in the statutory maximum sentence
    and only when nothing in the legislative history suggests that
    Congress intended such an increase.’” Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 814
    (quoting United States v. Kratt, 
    579 F.3d 558
    , 562 (6th
    Cir. 2009)) (emphasis added). We nonetheless construed the
    Santos plurality and concurrence differently from the Sixth
    Circuit, holding that there was a merger problem based on the
    defendant’s conviction for both mail fraud and money
    laundering, without regard to the applicable statutory
    maximums — 30 years for mail fraud and 20 years for money
    laundering. See id.; 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341, 1956. Indeed, Van
    Alstyne nowhere mentioned the statutory maximum for mail
    fraud in its consideration of the merger problem. The case on
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    which the majority relies, Bush — again decided on plain
    error review, 
    see 626 F.3d at 533
    — followed the Sixth
    Circuit’s approach, rather than our own.3
    In any event, the extent of the “additional” sentencing
    exposure that Grasso “face[d]” as a result of the money
    laundering charge, see 
    Santos, 553 U.S. at 516
    , was identical
    to what Van Alstyne faced, see Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 809
    (noting that Van Alstyne was convicted of mail fraud in
    violation of 18 U.S.C § 1341); 18 U.S.C § 1341 (providing a
    statutory maximum of 30 years). As we are bound by
    precedents involving “nearly identical facts,” see United
    States v. Vasquez-Ramos, 
    531 F.3d 987
    , 989 (9th Cir. 2008)
    (per curiam), the statutory maximums at issue are simply not
    a basis for treating Grasso’s case differently than Van
    Alstyne’s. Nor, were we considering the issue ab initio,
    could it fairly be said that a 20-year increase of a 30-year
    sentence is not “radical[],” see 
    Santos, 553 U.S. at 517
    , in the
    ordinary sense of being “marked by a considerable departure
    from the usual or traditional,” see Webster’s Collegiate
    Dictionary 1025 (11th ed. 2003) (defining “radical”).
    4.
    The majority’s final rationale for resisting the merger
    problem here is that there is ostensibly no such problem when
    a “money laundering conviction is based on . . . transfers to
    co-conspirators.” See Maj. Op. at 34. To be sure, some
    3
    United States v. Phillips, 
    704 F.3d 754
    (9th Cir. 2012), also cited by
    the majority, also reviewed a money laundering conviction only for plain
    error, 
    id. at 762, and
    followed Bush, rather than Van Alstyne, in assessing
    the relevance of the increase in the defendant’s sentence, see 
    id. at 766 n.11.
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    transfers of funds among co-conspirators raise no merger
    problem. But while some such transfers merely involve co-
    conspirators “reaping the fruits of their crimes,” others
    represent payments of essential expenses of a fraud scheme.
    See 
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 406
    n.4. In the latter instance, a
    merger problem plainly exists.
    Again, the Fourth Circuit’s cogent analysis is instructive.
    In Cloud, several of the money laundering convictions
    reversed on appeal involved payments to co-conspirators; “it
    was only through the promise of these payments that Cloud
    was able to persuade his coconspirators to do business with
    him.” 
    Abdulwahab, 715 F.3d at 531
    . In so concluding, the
    Fourth Circuit carefully examined the “nature of the
    payment” and its relevance to the scheme. 
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 406
    n.4; accord Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    . The court
    distinguished the scheme that Cloud perpetuated from the
    scheme in an earlier case, United States v. Halstead, 
    634 F.3d 270
    (4th Cir. 2011), in which co-conspirators orchestrated
    insurance fraud. The Halstead defendants were charged with
    money laundering only because ill-gotten funds were
    ultimately transferred to their checking accounts. 
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 406
    n.4 (citing 
    Halstead, 634 F.3d at 273
    , 279).
    In Halstead, the fact that the defendants ultimately paid
    themselves posed no merger problem, as they “were not
    paying the expenses of the fraud, but rather were reaping the
    fruits of their crimes.” 
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 406
    n.4.
    The majority misconstrues our own case law in
    concluding that we have foreclosed all Santos-based
    challenges to money laundering convictions simply because
    predicated on payments to co-conspirators. In Van Alstyne,
    for instance, we noted that a “‘merger’ problem may . . . be
    triggered when multiple participants share profits.” 
    584 F.3d 48
                     UNITED STATES V. GRASSO
    at 815. The two cases on which the majority relies — United
    States v. Webster, 
    623 F.3d 901
    (9th Cir. 2010), and United
    States v. Wilkes, 
    662 F.3d 524
    (9th Cir. 2011) — are not to
    the contrary.
    Webster involved a conspiracy to distribute
    methamphetamine. See 
    Webster, 623 F.3d at 905
    . Webster
    argued on appeal that given the charges for conspiracy to
    possess with intent to distribute methamphetamine, 21 U.S.C.
    § 846, and possession with intent to distribute
    methamphetamine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1), Santos barred an
    additional charge for money laundering, without proof that
    the “proceeds” involved in the relevant transactions
    represented “profits.” 
    Webster, 623 F.3d at 905
    . Webster did
    not specify the transactions that gave rise to the money
    laundering charge, and nothing in the opinion indicates that
    the charge was for transactions involving “essential
    expenses” of the underlying drug conspiracy. See 
    Santos, 553 U.S. at 528
    (Stevens, J., concurring).4 We rejected
    Webster’s challenge to his money laundering conviction,
    explaining that under the relevant statutes, the drug crimes
    with which Webster was charged “need not involve the
    exchange of money”; there was accordingly no merger
    problem. See 
    Webster, 623 F.3d at 906
    . We also noted that
    Justice Stevens’s concurrence in Santos took the position that
    the legislative history of the money laundering statute,
    18 U.S.C. § 1956, indicated that no merger problem exists in
    the particular case in which a money laundering charge is
    based on a transaction involving “‘gross revenues from the
    4
    My review of Webster’s briefs on appeal, and his letter pursuant to
    Rule 28(j) in which he initially raised the merger argument, confirms that
    Webster never argued that the transactions were for expenses necessary
    to consummate the charged drug crimes.
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    sale of contraband and the operation of organized crime
    syndicates involving such sales.’” 
    Id. (quoting Santos, 553
    U.S. at 526 (Stevens, J., concurring)). Because the four
    dissenting Justices in Santos agreed with Justice Stevens in
    that regard, see 
    Santos, 553 U.S. at 531–32
    (Alito, J.,
    dissenting), we concluded that a majority of the Supreme
    Court had held that no merger problem existed where “a
    money laundering count is based on transfers among co-
    conspirators of money from the sale of drugs.” 
    Webster, 623 F.3d at 906
    . As the majority recognizes, see Maj Op. at
    29, Webster alone does not stand for the broad proposition
    that payments to co-conspirators more generally present no
    merger problem.
    Turning to Wilkes, the defendant was charged with honest
    services wire fraud, bribery, and money laundering, in
    connection with a scheme to bribe a member of Congress,
    Randall “Duke” Cunningham. 
    See 662 F.3d at 530
    .
    Cunningham secured “millions of dollars in appropriations
    for . . . [the] benefit” of Wilkes and another co-conspirator.
    
    Id. at 531. “[T]hrough
    a complicated series of financial
    transactions among multiple companies, Wilkes paid off
    $525,000 on Cunningham’s second mortgage.” 
    Id. Wilkes was charged
    with money laundering for making a wire
    transfer in the course of those transactions. On appeal,
    Wilkes argued that the wire transfer at issue was “merely an
    expense associated with the bribery, and, thus, not
    ‘proceeds.’” 
    Id. at 549. Wilkes
    explained that unlike the
    defendant in Santos, who was charged with promotional
    money laundering, Wilkes was charged with concealment
    money laundering. 
    Id. Rather than using
    funds associated
    with the bribery scheme to remit payment directly to
    Cunningham, “Wilkes transferred the $525,000” from one of
    his companies, to “another of his accounts, WBR Equities.”
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    Id. at 547. The
    panel emphasized the measures that Wilkes
    took to disguise the source of the funds:
    Wilkes could have sent the $525,000 from
    WBR Equities to Cunningham or Coastal
    Capital directly. Again, he did not. Instead,
    he wired $525,000 from WBR Equities to
    Parkview Financial, Inc. In the meantime,
    Parkview Financial and Coastal had engaged
    in a series of transactions of their own, which
    provided additional buffers between the
    corrupt contract and the payoff of
    Cunningham’s mortgage. Concealing this
    connection appears to be the dominant, if not
    the only, purpose of these multi-layered
    transactions.
    
    Id. Because of the
    extensive steps Wilkes took to conceal the
    source of the funds, Wilkes’s conduct was separately
    chargeable as concealment money laundering, rather than just
    as a transaction “that involve[d] nothing but the initial
    crime,” namely bribery. See 
    id. at 547, 549.
    No merger
    problem therefore existed.
    Wilkes also noted that as in “Webster, Wilkes’s money
    laundering count was based on a transfer to a co-conspirator
    of money” from a scheme “such that ‘proceeds’ would
    include all ‘receipts’ from” that scheme. See 
    id. at 549. But
    the opinion contained no analysis in support of that
    conclusion. See 
    id. Unlike the majority,
    I do not read Wilkes
    for the expansive proposition that whenever a “transfer to a
    co-conspirator” occurred, there could, ipso facto, be no
    merger problem.
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    First, as a three judge panel, absent intervening
    controlling authority — of which there has been none —
    Wilkes could not have overruled Van Alstyne, in which we
    noted that a “‘merger’ problem may . . . be triggered when
    multiple participants share 
    profits.” 584 F.3d at 815
    ; see
    Miller v. Gammie, 
    335 F.3d 889
    , 900 (9th Cir. 2003) (en
    banc). Second, as noted, Wilkes expressly rejected the
    defendant’s characterization of the “multi-layered
    transactions” as essential elements of the overall bribery
    scheme. 
    Wilkes, 662 F.3d at 547
    . Instead, the court held that
    the wire transfers were “additional act[s]” separately
    chargeable as concealment money laundering. 
    Id. at 547, 549.
    The majority’s broader reading of Wilkes is foreclosed
    by the fact that unlike in Grasso’s case, Wilkes involved no
    payments “necessary” to the scheme.5 See Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    .
    In short, neither Webster nor Wilkes — individually or
    collectively — can sustain the weight that the majority places
    on them. Neither case dealt with a payment to a co-
    conspirator involving essential expenses of the underlying
    scheme. Webster was, in the Fourth Circuit’s useful parlance,
    a case in which the defendant merely “reap[ed] the fruits of
    [his] crimes.” See 
    Cloud, 680 F.3d at 406
    n.4. Wilkes
    involved a money laundering charge that did not merge with
    the bribery count because it was separately chargeable as
    concealment money laundering. See 
    Wilkes, 584 F.3d at 815
    .
    5
    Notably, the government has not defended Grasso’s money laundering
    convictions on the ground that they were “additional acts” separately
    chargeable as concealment money laundering.
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    C.
    Only by reading a series of heretofore nonexistent rules
    into our case law does the majority avoid the conclusion that
    Grasso’s money laundering convictions are barred by Santos
    and its progeny. Because a proper analysis of “the concrete
    details of the particular scheme” with which Grasso was
    charged reveals that the additional money laundering charges
    pose an unequivocal merger problem, I would reverse
    Grasso’s money laundering convictions. See Van 
    Alstyne, 584 F.3d at 815
    (internal quotation marks omitted).