S Cal Alliance Treatment Works v. Epa , 853 F.3d 1076 ( 2017 )


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  •                      FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE                       No. 14-74047
    OF PUBLICLY OWNED TREATMENT
    WORKS,
    Petitioner,                    OPINION
    v.
    U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
    AGENCY; JARED BLUMENFELD,
    Regional Administrator, USEPA,
    Region IX,
    Respondents.
    On Petition for Review of an Order of the
    Environmental Protection Agency
    Argued and Submitted November 7, 2016
    Pasadena, California
    Filed April 12, 2017
    Before: Kim McLane Wardlaw and Jay S. Bybee, Circuit
    Judges, and Robert Holmes Bell,* District Judge.
    Opinion by Judge Bybee
    *
    The Honorable Robert Holmes Bell, United States District Judge for
    the Western District of Michigan, sitting by designation.
    2                           SCAP V. EPA
    SUMMARY**
    Environmental Law
    The panel dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction
    the petition for review brought by the Southern California
    Alliance of Publicly Owned Treatment Works, challenging an
    Objection Letter sent by the United States Environmental
    Protection Agency (EPA) regarding draft permits for water
    reclamation plants in El Monte and Pomona, California.
    The Clean Water Act prohibits the discharge of any
    pollutant into navigable waters from any point source
    without a permit, and permits are issued in accordance with
    the National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System
    (NPDES). When a state assumes primary responsibility for
    issuing NPDES permits, the EPA retains supervisory
    authority over state permitting programs under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1324
    (d).
    In 1973, the EPA granted California authority to
    administer its NPDES permits program. The Los Angeles
    Regional Office of the California State Water Resources
    Control Board prepared the draft NPDES permits for the
    water reclamation plants at issue. The EPA issued an
    Objection Letter to the draft permits raising concerns about
    the effluent toxicity. The Los Angeles Board revised the
    draft permits to meet the terms of the EPA’s Objection Letter,
    and issued the permits.
    **
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    Petitioners argued that the draft permits were consistent
    with the Clean Water Act and that the EPA exceeded its
    authority in requiring water quality-based effluent limitations
    for whole effluent toxicity and other limitations.
    The panel held that neither 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E) nor
    (F) of the Clean Water Act provided the court with subject
    matter jurisdiction to review the Objection Letter. The panel
    held that when a state assumes responsibility for
    administering the NPDES program, the state becomes the
    permit-issuing authority, and an EPA objection to a draft
    permit is merely an interim step in the state permitting
    process. The panel held that here, the Los Angeles Board
    chose to revise the draft permits and retain control of the
    NPDES permitting process for the plants, and the permits
    were issued through the State of California, not the EPA. The
    panel concluded that the appropriate avenue for petitioners to
    seek redress was through the State’s review process.
    COUNSEL
    Melissa Thorme (argued), Downey Brand LLP, Sacramento,
    California, for Petitioner.
    Eileen T. McDonough (argued), Attorney; John C. Cruden,
    Assistant Attorney General; Environment Defense Section,
    Environment and Natural Resources Division, United States
    Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; Marcela von
    Vacano, Assistant Regional Counsel, Region 9, United States
    Environmental Protection Agency, San Francisco, California;
    Pooja S. Parikh, Attorney-Advisor, Office of the General
    Counsel, United States Environmental Protection Agency,
    Washington, D.C.; for Respondents.
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    OPINION
    BYBEE, Circuit Judge:
    The Southern California Alliance of Publicly Owned
    Treatment Works (SCAP) petitions for review of an objection
    letter sent by the United States Environmental Protection
    Agency (EPA) regarding draft permits for water reclamation
    plants in El Monte and Pomona, California. SCAP argues
    that we have original jurisdiction to review the objection
    letter under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E), which applies to EPA
    action “approving or promulgating any effluent limitation,”
    and 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F), which applies to EPA action
    “issuing or denying any permit.” We agree with EPA that we
    lack subject matter jurisdiction to hear SCAP’s claims, and
    we dismiss the petition.
    I. BACKGROUND
    A. The Clean Water Act
    In 1972, Congress enacted sweeping amendments to the
    Federal Water Pollution Control Act (FWPCA) of 1948 “to
    restore and maintain the chemical, physical, and biological
    integrity of the Nation’s waters.” 
    33 U.S.C. § 1251
    (a). After
    another round of substantial amendments in 1977, the statute
    became known as the Clean Water Act (CWA or the Act).
    The CWA prohibits the discharge of any pollutant into
    navigable waters from any point source without a permit. 
    Id.
    § 1311(a). Permits are issued in accordance with the National
    Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES). Id.
    § 1342(a). These permits authorize certain point source
    discharges and are typically conditioned on compliance with
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    water quality standards and effluent limitations issued under
    the Act. Id. § 1342(a).
    The CWA establishes two pathways for the issuance of
    NPDES permits. First, EPA may issue the permits under
    
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (a). Second, the states, with EPA approval,
    may assume responsibility for issuing permits. 
    Id.
     § 1342(b).
    The state program must meet specific requirements, including
    incorporating certain provisions of the NPDES regulations,
    and be approved by EPA. Id.; 
    40 C.F.R. §§ 123.25
    (a)(15),
    122.44. “If [NPDES permitting] authority is transferred, then
    state officials—not the federal EPA—have the primary
    responsibility for reviewing and approving NPDES discharge
    permits, albeit with continuing EPA oversight.” Nat’l Ass’n
    of Home Builders v. Defs. of Wildlife, 
    551 U.S. 644
    , 650
    (2007). Forty-six states, including California, currently have
    authority to issue their own NPDES permits. EPA, NPDES
    State Program Information, https://www.epa.gov/npdes/
    npdes-state-program-information (follow: “Authority”
    hyperlink).
    Even when a state assumes primary responsibility for
    issuing NPDES permits, EPA retains supervisory authority
    over state permitting programs under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (d).
    The state must transmit to EPA a copy of each permit
    application received, as well as proposed permits, and EPA
    has ninety days to notify the state of any objections it has to
    the draft permit. 
    Id.
     § 1342(d)(1)–(2). The objection must be
    in writing and state “the reasons for such objection and the
    effluent limitations and conditions which such permit would
    include if it were issued by” EPA. Id. § 1342(d)(2). If the
    disagreement proves intractable, the state or any interested
    person can request that EPA hold a public hearing on the
    objection. Id. § 1342(d)(4); 
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
    (e).
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    Following a public hearing, EPA may reaffirm, withdraw, or
    modify the original objection. 
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
    (g). If the
    state does not request a hearing or EPA maintains its
    objection, the state then has a choice: It can either revise the
    permit to address EPA’s objection or allow permitting
    authority to pass back to EPA. 
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (d)(4); see
    also 
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
    (h).
    The state’s decision either to make the changes and retain
    jurisdiction over the permit or to relinquish permitting
    authority to EPA has practical consequences for further
    review. If the state chooses to revise and issue a permit, an
    aggrieved party can seek further administrative review and
    then judicial review in accordance with state law. See Am.
    Paper Inst., Inc. v. EPA, 
    890 F.2d 869
    , 875 (7th Cir. 1989).
    By contrast, if jurisdiction returns to EPA and EPA issues a
    federal NPDES permit, EPA’s decision may be appealed
    within EPA to the Environmental Appeals Board (EAB).
    
    40 C.F.R. § 124.19
    (a)(1). A final EPA permit approved by
    the EAB is subject to review in an appropriate circuit court of
    appeals. 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F).
    B. California’s NPDES Permitting Program
    In 1973, EPA granted California authority to administer
    the NPDES permits program. Approval of California’s
    Revisions to the State National Pollution Discharge
    Elimination System Program, 
    54 Fed. Reg. 40,664
     (Oct. 3,
    1989); Discharges of Pollutants to Navigable Waters:
    Approval of State Programs, 
    39 Fed. Reg. 26,061
     (July 16,
    1974). Regional Boards make the initial permitting decisions.
    The California State Water Resources Control Board (State
    Board), the final NPDES permitting authority in California,
    reviews the permits issued by Regional Boards. “[A]ny
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    aggrieved party” may then file a petition for review in
    California Superior Court. 
    Cal. Water Code § 13330
    (a).
    Additionally, California and EPA have entered into a
    Memorandum of Agreement that explains in greater detail the
    rights the State has under the Act and the regulations. Under
    that agreement, for example, if the State disagrees with
    EPA’s objection, it has the option to pursue informal means
    of resolving the dispute. See, e.g., NPDES Memorandum of
    Agreement Between U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
    and California State Water Resources Control Board 16
    (1989) (MOA) (“If EPA and a Regional Board are unable to
    resolve a disagreement over provisions of a prenotice draft
    permit to which EPA has filed a formal objection, the State
    Board may mediate the disagreement to a resolution that is
    satisfactory to EPA and to the Regional Board.”). Once EPA
    has filed an objection letter, the State may request that EPA
    conduct a public hearing pursuant to 
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
     or
    opt to conduct its own public hearing. 
    Id.
     at 16–17. The
    MOA, like the regulations, contemplates that, following this
    process, EPA may modify or even withdraw its objections.
    
    Id. at 19
    .
    C. The Permits at Issue
    The Whittier Narrows Water Reclamation Plant, located
    in El Monte, California, and the Pomona Water Reclamation
    Plant, located in Pomona, California (collectively, the Plants),
    are tertiary-level treatment water reclamation facilities that
    receive industrial, commercial, and residential wastewater
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    from the surrounding cities.1      They each produce
    approximately 9000 acre-feet of recycled water per year,
    which is used for groundwater recharge and landscape
    irrigation in Southern California.
    The Los Angeles Regional Office (L.A. Board) of the
    State Board prepared the draft NPDES permits (Draft
    Permits) for the Plants at issue. The L.A. Board also prepared
    a “Fact Sheet,” which included its determination that effluent
    limitations were required for “whole effluent toxicity”2
    because the discharge potentially could cause or contribute to
    chronic toxicity. The Draft Permits addressed chronic
    toxicity by setting “Chronic Toxicity Trigger and
    Requirements” (Toxicity Triggers).
    The L.A. Board submitted the Draft Permits to EPA for
    review consistent with 
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (d)(1). Jane
    Diamond, the Region 9 Director of EPA’s Water Division,
    issued a letter with EPA’s formal objections to the Draft
    Permits on September 4, 2014 (“Objection Letter”). EPA’s
    principal concern “relate[d] to numeric effluent limitations
    for whole effluent toxicity.” EPA criticized the permits
    because they “express a chronic toxicity requirement as a
    series of steps which include a narrative trigger for further
    investigation of effluent toxicity, not as an effluent limitation
    1
    Tertiary treatment plants produce water meeting drinking water
    standards required by the Safe Drinking Water Act, 42 U.S.C. § 300f et
    seq.
    2
    “Whole effluent toxicity” (sometimes referred to as WET) refers to
    the fact that effluent can contain many different pollutants. Even if no one
    pollutant is likely to cause harm to aquatic organisms, the combination of
    several pollutants may have an adverse result. See Edison Elec. Inst. v.
    EPA, 
    391 F.3d 1267
    , 1268–69 (D.C. Cir. 2004).
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    for WET. . . . Taken together, these toxicity triggers simply
    require further investigation, and thus do not met meet the
    definition of ‘effluent limitation’ under the CWA . . . .” EPA
    offered other criticism as well and attached to its letter what
    it characterized as “Required Changes” and “Recommended
    Changes” in the permits. EPA stated that if the L.A. Board
    did not submit revised permits addressing EPA’s concerns,
    EPA would “acquire exclusive NPDES authority over the
    discharges pursuant to 
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
    (h)(3).”
    The L.A. Board revised the Draft Permits to meet the
    terms of EPA’s Objection Letter. After reviewing the revised
    permits, EPA notified the L.A. Board, the State Board, and
    the permit applicants that EPA’s objections had been satisfied
    and that the NPDES permits for the Plants remained within
    the L.A. Board’s jurisdiction. After complying with
    procedures required by state law, the L.A. Board issued the
    permits for both Plants in November 2014.
    D. State Administrative Proceedings
    On December 8, 2014, SCAP, along with the permittees
    and other parties, filed an administrative appeal of the L.A.
    Board’s action with the State Board. The petition requested
    a hearing and a stay of the NPDES Permits. Three weeks
    later, on December 31, 2014, SCAP also filed a petition for
    review before us.
    The State Board did not immediately act on SCAP’s
    administrative petition. On July 9, 2015, the L.A. Board
    amended the NPDES permits for the Plants. SCAP amended
    its administrative petition in light of the amended permits.
    SCAP then requested that the State Board hold the state
    administrative appeals in abeyance until 2017. SCAP stated
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    that its request would “allow the opportunity for resolution of
    these matters and for further discussion and exchanges
    between the Petitioners and the [L.A. Board].” The State
    Board granted SCAP’s request and placed the matter in
    abeyance until August 10, 2017.
    II. DISCUSSION
    SCAP seeks review of EPA’s September 4, 2014
    Objection Letter. SCAP argues the original permits proposed
    by the L.A. Board were consistent with the CWA and that
    EPA exceeded its authority in requiring water quality-based
    effluent limitations for whole effluent toxicity, numeric
    effluent limitations, and daily maximum effluent limitations.
    In response, EPA contends that we lack jurisdiction to review
    its Objection Letter and that, so long as permitting authority
    rests with California state agencies, SCAP’s judicial remedy
    lies in California courts under California’s administrative
    procedures. We review challenges to our jurisdiction de
    novo. Bidart Bros. v. Cal. Apple Comm’n, 
    73 F.3d 925
    , 928
    (9th Cir. 1996).
    The CWA vests the federal courts of appeals with original
    jurisdiction over seven categories of EPA action. 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1).
    We do not lightly hold that we have
    jurisdiction under [
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)].
    We have counseled against [its] expansive
    application. The specificity and precision of
    section [1369], and the sense of it, persuade us
    that it is designed to exclude EPA actions that
    Congress did not specify. Indeed, [n]o
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    sensible person . . . would speak with such
    detail otherwise.
    Nw. Envtl. Advocates v. EPA, 
    537 F.3d 1006
    , 1015 (9th Cir.
    2008) (second and fourth alterations in original) (citations
    omitted) (internal quotation marks omitted). SCAP asserts
    two bases for our jurisdiction. First, it claims that EPA
    promulgated new daily and numeric effluent limitations for
    chronic toxicity through the Objection Letter, giving our
    court jurisdiction under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E). Second,
    SCAP claims that we have jurisdiction under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F) because the Objection Letter was the
    “functional equivalent” of EPA’s denial of the state-proposed
    Draft Permits.
    Neither provision gives us jurisdiction to review the
    Objection Letter. When a state assumes responsibility for
    administering the NPDES program, the state becomes the
    permit-issuing agency. 
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (b). An objection
    by EPA to a draft state permit is merely an interim step in the
    state permitting process. 
    Id.
     EPA may decide to withdraw
    the objection after discussions with the state and regional
    board or after holding a public hearing, or the state may
    revise a draft permit to remedy EPA’s objection and issue the
    permit. 
    Id.
     In either case, the permitting decision remains
    the state’s. The permits issued by the state are subject to
    administrative and judicial review in accordance with state
    law. See, e.g., 
    Cal. Water Code § 13330
     (providing for
    review in California Superior Court of State Board decisions).
    Alternatively, the state can choose not to remedy the
    objection and let permitting authority pass back to EPA.
    
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (d)(4). In that case, the state has
    relinquished jurisdiction over the permitting process, and
    EPA assumes full responsibility for the permit. If EPA issues
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    the permit, the permit is subject to review by the EAB first
    and then the appropriate federal court of appeals. City of San
    Diego v. Whitman, 
    242 F.3d 1097
    , 1101 (9th Cir. 2001).
    Here, the L.A. Board chose to revise the Draft Permits and
    retain control of the NPDES permitting process for the Plants,
    and the permits were issued through the State of California,
    not EPA. The appropriate avenue for SCAP to seek redress
    is through the State’s review process. We explain our reasons
    in greater detail below.
    A. Jurisdiction Under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E)
    Section 1369(b)(1)(E) provides for federal appellate
    review of EPA action “in approving or promulgating any
    effluent limitation or other limitation under section 1311,
    1312, 1316, or 1345 of this title.” Relying on a decision of
    the Eighth Circuit, SCAP contends that EPA’s objection
    effectively promulgated new effluent limitations and is
    reviewable under § 1369(b)(1)(E). See Iowa League of Cities
    v. EPA, 
    711 F.3d 844
     (8th Cir. 2013). EPA counters that we
    have already considered and rejected SCAP’s argument. See
    Crown Simpson Pulp Co. v. Costle, 
    599 F.2d 897
     (9th Cir.
    1979) (Crown Simpson I), rev’d in part, 
    445 U.S. 193
     (1980)
    (per curiam) (Crown Simpson II). EPA is correct. Following
    our circuit’s decision in Crown Simpson I, we hold that we
    lack jurisdiction to review the Objection Letter under
    § 1369(b)(1)(E).3
    3
    The Supreme Court reversed our decision only with respect to
    jurisdiction under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F). See infra Part II.B. It
    declined to consider that portion of our decision addressing
    § 1369(b)(1)(E). Crown Simpson II, 
    445 U.S. at
    196 n.7 (“Because we
    find that the Court of Appeals had jurisdiction over this action under
    § [1369](b)(1)(F), we do not decide whether it might also have had
    jurisdiction under § [1369](b)(1)(E).”). Our decision with respect to
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    In Crown Simpson I, we held that 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E) does not provide jurisdiction over a claim
    like SCAP’s. Similar to this case, Crown Simpson I involved
    a challenge to EPA’s veto of NPDES permits that the
    California State Board proposed to issue to bleached kraft
    pulp mills pursuant to 
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (b). Crown Simpson
    argued that EPA’s veto was “the functional equivalent of a
    newly promulgated, generalized regulation” and that “if the
    Administrator had formally promulgated such a generalized
    variance regulation, it would have been directly reviewable
    by the court of appeals as an ‘effluent or other limitation’
    under subsection (E).” 
    Id. at 900
    . We simply rejected the
    premise that the “Administrator’s vetoing of the two permits
    was tantamount to the promulgation of a new variance
    regulation.” 
    Id. at 901
    . We characterized EPA’s actions as
    “not the establishment of new regulations through an irregular
    procedure, but simply two individualized adjudications to
    determine the proper application of already promulgated
    effluent limitation regulations covering the entire industry.”
    
    Id.
     We concluded that “[s]ubsection (E) provides for direct
    review of the promulgation of effluent limitations, not for
    direct review of all of the Administrator’s actions that may in
    any way be dependent upon the Administrator’s power to
    promulgate such limitations.” 
    Id. at 902
    .
    Crown Simpson I is controlling in this case. The statutory
    regime differentiates between the promulgation of effluent
    limitation regulations, which are “standards restricting the
    quantities of pollutants that enterprises in a given industry
    
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E) is still binding precedent in our circuit absent
    intervening higher authority that is clearly irreconcilable with our existing
    precedent. Miller v. Gammie, 
    335 F.3d 889
    , 893 (9th Cir. 2003) (en
    banc).
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    may discharge,” and “individualized adjudications to
    determine the proper application of already promulgated . . .
    regulations covering the entire industry.” 
    Id.
     at 901–02.
    Here, as in Crown Simpson I, EPA did not “approve or
    promulgate anything” in objecting to the Draft Permits. 
    Id. at 900, 902
     (internal quotation marks omitted). Instead, it
    applied preexisting regulations on an individualized basis to
    determine that the Draft Permits were inadequate. See 
    id. at 901
    . “The two permits and variances at issue here have no
    . . . far reaching implications” beyond their effect on the
    Plants, as compared to “generalized effluent limitations,”
    which “may affect dozens or even hundreds of plants.” 
    Id. at 902
    . Our precedent therefore compels the conclusion that we
    lack jurisdiction under § 1369(b)(1)(E).
    Petitioners urge us to follow the Eighth Circuit’s decision
    in Iowa League of Cities, 
    711 F.3d 844
    . In that case the Iowa
    League of Cities (the League) believed that EPA had imposed
    new requirements for water treatment processes and that it
    was doing so without promulgating regulations. At the
    League’s request, U.S. Senator Charles Grassley wrote to
    EPA. EPA responded in two guidance letters. The League,
    believing that the guidance letters were inconsistent with the
    CWA and EPA’s own regulations, brought a challenge in the
    Eighth Circuit under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E). EPA argued
    that the court lacked subject matter jurisdiction, but the
    Eighth Circuit held that the guidance letters not only had a
    “binding effect on regulated entities,” 711 F.3d at 863, but
    that “communications from the EPA indicat[ed] that it would
    object to any permits that were inconsistent with the policy
    outlined in the EPA letters,” id. at 864. On that
    understanding, the court held that EPA’s letters “were
    promulgations for the purposes of CWA section
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    [1369](b)(1)(E),” id. at 866, and should be reviewed under
    the APA, id. at 872–78.
    To the extent Iowa League of Cities is inconsistent with
    our decision in Crown Simpson I, we are, of course, bound by
    Crown Simpson I. Moreover, there are other reasons to
    distinguish this case from Iowa League of Cities. Unlike the
    Iowa case, EPA here was commenting specifically on the
    Draft Permits submitted by the Plants, consistent with
    
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (d)(1). EPA was not responding to a more
    general inquiry about its “binding policy,” and nothing in the
    EPA comments suggest that it was proposing objections
    applicable to “any permits that were inconsistent with the
    policy outlined in the EPA letters.” Iowa League of Cities,
    711 F.3d at 865. We need not decide whether we would
    agree with the Eighth Circuit’s decision in Iowa League of
    Cities in other circumstances. Those circumstances are not
    presented to us in this case.
    There are other features of our case that persuade us that
    we may not review EPA’s Objection Letter. First, unlike
    with the guidance letters to Senator Grassley in Iowa League
    of Cities, EPA here was participating in an interim step in a
    complex statutory scheme. Under the scheme, EPA’s
    Objection Letter was not a binding order to the L.A. Board.
    To be sure, EPA notified the L.A. Board that if it did not
    make the changes EPA wanted EPA would assume
    jurisdiction over the NPDES permits. Nonetheless, the L.A.
    Board was given the option of adopting EPA’s required
    changes or ceding permitting jurisdiction to EPA.4 And no
    4
    Even if EPA had assumed jurisdiction, the Objection Letter would
    still not be a final order. Permits issued by EPA must follow numerous
    procedural requirements outlined in 
    40 C.F.R. § 124.1
    –124.21,
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    matter what the L.A. Board decided—whether to ignore or to
    adopt EPA’s requested changes—there was going to be an
    opportunity in due course for court review. Cf. City of San
    Diego, 
    242 F.3d at
    1101–02 (holding that EPA letter
    regarding the city’s as-yet-unfiled application for renewal of
    a modified NPDES permit was not reviewable until EPA
    actually issued the permit in question).
    Under the Act’s scheme of cooperative federalism, if the
    L.A. Board refused to make EPA’s required changes, EPA
    would assume jurisdiction and, presumably, issue its own
    permits. The petitioners could then have filed a petition for
    review first before the EAB and then in this court and
    challenged the substance of the EPA-issued permits.
    Because, however, the L.A. Board acquiesced to EPA’s
    requests, the Plants may pursue available state remedies,
    including review by the State Board, in the California courts,
    and, potentially, in the U.S. Supreme Court. See Am. Paper
    Inst., 
    890 F.2d at 875
    ; cf. S.D. Warren Co. v. Me. Bd. of
    Envtl. Prot., 
    547 U.S. 370
    , 375 (2006) (reviewing state court
    decision regarding conditions placed in permit by state
    environmental agency under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1341
    ); PUD No. 1
    of Jefferson Cty. v. Wash. Dep’t of Ecology, 
    511 U.S. 700
    (1994) (same).
    There is a another reason for us to decline to exercise
    jurisdiction at this stage in the process. Under the CWA,
    California may impose restrictions that exceed the CWA’s
    124.51–124.66. The Plants would have had the right to submit written
    comments and seek a hearing before EPA, 
    40 C.F.R. § 124.11
    , the right
    to an administrative appeal to the EAB, 
    id.
     § 124.19(a)(1), and the right
    to review under the APA in a federal court of appeals, 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F).
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    minimum requirements and EPA’s regulations. 
    33 U.S.C. §1370
    ; 
    40 C.F.R. § 122.44
    (d). The L.A. Board (or the State
    Board) may take a more aggressive view of the requirements
    for keeping the state’s waters clean. In that circumstance, any
    request for review of EPA’s Objection Letter would be moot
    because California water regulators may determine that the
    discharges at issue exceed the requirements of state water
    quality standards. 
    40 C.F.R. § 122.44
    (d). EPA’s views, in
    that case, are irrelevant, and a petitioner’s remedies, if any,
    lie with the State Board and the California courts. We have
    no business getting into the middle of this process.
    We have no jurisdiction to review EPA’s Objection Letter
    under § 1369(b)(1)(E).
    B. Jurisdiction Under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F)
    Section 1369(b)(1)(F) provides for review of an EPA
    action “issuing or denying any permit under section 1342.”
    SCAP urges us to find that EPA’s Objection Letter
    effectively denied the permits sought by the Plants and
    tentatively approved by the L.A. Board. For authority, SCAP
    points to the Supreme Court’s decision in Crown Simpson II.
    In that case, the Supreme Court held that under the 1972
    version of the CWA, when EPA “objects to effluent
    limitations contained in a state-issued permit, the precise
    effect of its action is to ‘den[y]’ a permit within the meaning
    of § [1369](b)(1)(F).” 
    445 U.S. at 196
     (first alteration in
    original). EPA argues that Crown Simpson II is not
    applicable because Congress amended the CWA in 1977 and
    revised the procedures relating to EPA supervisory authority
    of state NPDES permitting. Although the Supreme Court in
    Crown Simpson II was aware of the 1977 CWA amendments,
    it expressly declined to consider their impact on the
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    jurisdictional question before it, because the EPA objection
    at issue occurred before the amendments took effect. 
    Id.
     at
    194 n.2 (“Section [1342] was amended in 1977, after the
    permits in the present case were vetoed, to give EPA the
    power, which it did not then have, to issue its own permit if
    the State fails to meet EPA’s objection within a specified
    time. We do not consider the impact, if any, of this
    amendment on the jurisdictional issue presented herein.”
    (citation omitted)). Since Crown Simpson II, neither the
    Supreme Court nor we have addressed the interaction of 
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (d) and § 1369(b)(1)(F). Doing so now for the
    first time, we conclude that the Objection Letter did not
    constitute the “issu[ance] or den[ial]” of the Draft Permits at
    issue, and we do not have jurisdiction under § 1369(b)(1)(F).
    In our view, the 1977 amendments significantly changed
    the CWA. Section 1342(d)(2), as enacted in 1972 and
    construed by the Court in Crown Simpson II, provided:
    No permit shall issue (A) if the Administrator
    within ninety days of the date of his
    notification under subsection (b)(5) of this
    section objects in writing to the issuance of
    such permit, or (B) if the Administrator within
    ninety days of the date of transmittal of the
    proposed permit by the State objects in
    writing to the issuance of such permit as being
    outside the guidelines and requirements of
    this Act.
    Pub. L. 92-500, § 2, 
    86 Stat. 816
    , 882 (1972) (CWA
    § 402(d)(2)). Under this version of the statute, once EPA
    objected to a state permit, the permit could not be issued
    unless the state revised it to remedy EPA’s objection. And if
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    the state refused to address EPA’s objection, EPA and the
    state were at an impasse: “No permit shall issue . . . .” At
    that point neither the state nor EPA had authority to issue a
    permit. In this scheme, EPA’s objection was “functionally
    similar to its denial of a permit.” Crown Simpson II, 
    445 U.S. at 196
    . The Court expressed concern that “denials of NPDES
    permits would be reviewable at different levels of the federal-
    court system depending on the fortuitous circumstances of
    whether the State in which the case arose was or was not
    authorized to issue permits.” 
    Id.
     at 196–97. Additionally, the
    Court thought that “the additional level of judicial review in
    those States with permit-issuing authority would likely cause
    delays in resolving disputes under the Act.” 
    Id. at 197
    . The
    Court thought such a “bifurcated system” was “seemingly
    irrational.” 
    Id.
     However, it added that its conclusion was
    based in part on the absence of “a far clearer expression of
    congressional intent.” 
    Id.
    That “clearer expression of congressional intent” came in
    the form of the 1977 CWA amendments. In 1977, Congress
    amended the CWA and added § 1342(d)(4). It reads:
    In any case where, after December 27, 1977,
    the Administrator, pursuant to paragraph (2)
    of this subsection, objects to the issuance of a
    permit, on request of the State, a public
    hearing shall be held by the Administrator on
    such objection. If the State does not resubmit
    such permit revised to meet such objection
    within 30 days after completion of the
    hearing, or, if no hearing is requested within
    90 days after the date of such objection, the
    Administrator may issue the permit pursuant
    to subsection (a) of this section for such
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    source in accordance with the guidelines and
    requirements of this chapter.
    Pub. L. 95-217, § 65, 
    91 Stat. 1566
    , 1604 (1977). In contrast
    to the prior iteration of the statute, which made EPA’s
    objection binding, the amended statute creates a process in
    which the state can request a hearing, following which there
    is additional opportunity for back and forth between the state
    and EPA. See 
    33 U.S.C. § 1342
    (d)(4); 
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
    (e),
    (g). The state then has the choice to issue the permit with
    EPA’s requested changes or to allow jurisdiction over the
    permitting process to return to EPA. The amendment
    resolves the impasse that occurred under the prior scheme
    when EPA objected to a permit and the state chose not to
    modify the permit to remedy EPA’s objection. See Crown
    Simpson II, 
    445 U.S. at
    194 n.2 (“Section [1342] was
    amended in 1977 . . . to give EPA the power, which it did not
    then have, to issue its own permit if the State fails to meet
    EPA’s objection within a specified time.”).
    The 1977 Amendments alter the permit-approval process
    so that an EPA objection no longer automatically and finally
    results in the denial of a permit if the state refuses to conform
    to EPA’s request. EPA’s objections are now part of an
    ongoing process, not the end of the process. Thus,
    complaints about an EPA Objection Letter are premature
    because when EPA objects to a permit, the administrative
    process is not yet at an end: The state and EPA may resolve
    their dispute over the objection informally, see, e.g., MOA at
    16; the state may request that EPA hold a public hearing, or
    hold its own public hearing, after which EPA may reaffirm,
    withdraw, or modify its objection, 
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
    (g);
    MOA at 16–17; the state may decide to modify the permit,
    and EPA may accept the modifications; or the state may
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    decide not to act or refuse to accept EPA’s modifications, and
    EPA may then issue the permit on its own authority,
    
    40 C.F.R. § 123.44
    (h); MOA at 19–20. In sum, under the
    current scheme, an objection by EPA is no longer
    “functionally similar” to denying a permit outright, because
    there are other procedures still available to the interested
    parties before the state denies the permit. And, if the state
    chooses not to adopt the recommendation of EPA, permitting
    authority simply transfers out of the state’s hands and back to
    the federal level.5
    Our conclusion is also consistent with decisions of the
    Seventh and Eighth Circuits, the only other circuits to have
    addressed the issue directly. The Seventh Circuit held that
    the “amendments to the [CWA] fundamentally altered the
    underpinnings of the Crown Simpson [II] decision” such that
    “an EPA objection to a proposed state permit is no longer
    ‘functionally similar’ to denying a permit.” Am. Paper Inst.,
    
    890 F.2d at 874
     (quoting Crown Simpson II, 
    445 U.S. at 196
    ).
    Emphasizing the “strong congressional intent to make the
    5
    A statement by Senator Muskie, floor manager of the conference bill
    in the Senate during Senate debate on the 1977 amendments, is consistent
    with our reading of the statute:
    It is intended that this process be utilized to insure
    the rapid issuance of an effective, valid permit. The
    Administrator’s action in objecting to a permit would
    generally not be subject to judicial review since it will
    always be followed by further administrative action.
    The final issuance of a permit by EPA would be subject
    to judicial review pursuant to [
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F)].
    123 Cong. Rec. S39,187 (daily ed. Dec. 15, 1977) (statement of Sen.
    Muskie).
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    states, where possible, the primary regulators of the NPDES
    system,” the Seventh Circuit concluded that the CWA, as
    amended, “does not contemplate federal court review of state-
    issued permits” and, accordingly, the federal courts may not
    review EPA’s objections to state-drafted permits before those
    permits have been issued by the states. 
    Id. at 873, 875
    .
    Because “state courts are perfectly competent to decide
    questions of federal law,” the “state courts may examine
    challenges to any pertinent EPA objections.” 
    Id. at 875
    .
    The Eighth Circuit reached a similar conclusion.
    Determining that it lacked subject matter jurisdiction to
    review an EPA Regional Administrator’s objection to a state
    NPDES permit, the court wrote:
    The crucial question here is whether the EPA
    Administrator has issued or denied an NPDES
    permit. . . . EPA’s action here, although
    indicating disapproval with the City’s NPDES
    permit as drafted, does not constitute a
    decision by the Regional Administrator—let
    alone the EPA’s Administrator, to whom the
    Regional Administrator’s decision is
    appealable—to issue or deny an NPDES
    permit. . . . The EPA’s actions thus far
    constitute preliminary objections to the State’s
    proposed permit.
    City of Ames v. Reilly, 
    986 F.2d 253
    , 256 (8th Cir. 1993).
    The Eighth Circuit noted the administrative options that
    remain following an EPA objection: “[T]he State could issue
    its own permit, the EPA could withdraw its objections, or the
    EPA could issue a final NPDES permit.” Id.; cf. Champion
    Int’l Corp. v. EPA, 
    850 F.2d 182
    , 188 (4th Cir. 1988)
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    (holding that when EPA files an objection for a state permit
    and then assumes NPDES issuing authority, EPA has not
    reached a final agency action subject to judicial review).
    We lack jurisdiction under 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(F) to
    review EPA’s Objection Letter.
    III. CONCLUSION
    We conclude that neither 
    33 U.S.C. § 1369
    (b)(1)(E) or (F)
    provides us subject matter jurisdiction to review the
    Objection Letter, and we dismiss SCAP’s petition for review.
    DISMISSED.