George Huerta v. Csi Elec. Contractors, Inc ( 2022 )


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  •                     FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    GEORGE HUERTA, an                     No. 21-16201
    individual, on behalf of himself
    and all others similarly situated        D.C. No.
    and as a representative             5:18-cv-06761-BLF
    plaintiff,
    Plaintiff-Appellant,
    ORDER
    v.                    CERTIFYING
    QUESTIONS TO
    CSI ELECTRICAL                      THE SUPREME
    CONTRACTORS, INC.,                    COURT OF
    Defendant-Appellee,         CALIFORNIA
    and
    FIRST SOLAR, INC.; CALIFORNIA
    FLATS SOLAR LLC; CA FLATS
    SOLAR 130, LLC; CA FLATS
    SOLAR 150, LLC; CAL FLATS
    SOLAR CEI, LLC; CAL FLATS
    SOLAR HOLDCO, LLC; MILCO
    NATIONAL CONSTRUCTORS,
    INC.; CALIFORNIA COMPACTION
    CORPORATION,
    Defendants.
    2            HUERTA V. CSI ELEC. CONTRACTORS
    Filed July 8, 2022
    Before: Sandra S. Ikuta, Jacqueline H. Nguyen, and
    John B. Owens, Circuit Judges.
    Order
    SUMMARY *
    California Law
    The panel certified to the Supreme Court of California
    the following questions:
    (1) Is time spent on an employer’s premises
    in a personal vehicle and waiting to scan
    an identification badge, have security
    guards peer into the vehicle, and then exit
    a Security Gate compensable as “hours
    worked” within the meaning of California
    Industrial Welfare Commission Wage
    Order No. 16?
    (2) Is time spent on the employer’s premises
    in a personal vehicle, driving between the
    Security Gate and the employee parking
    lots, while subject to certain rules from
    the employer, compensable as “hours
    worked” or as “employer-mandated
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It
    has been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
    HUERTA V. CSI ELEC. CONTRACTORS                 3
    travel” within the meaning of California
    Industrial Welfare Commission Wage
    Order No. 16?
    (3) Is time spent on the employer’s premises,
    when workers are prohibited from
    leaving but not required to engage in
    employer-mandated               activities,
    compensable as “hours worked” within
    the meaning of California Industrial
    Welfare Commission Wage Order No.
    16, or under California Labor Code
    Section 1194, when that time was
    designated as an unpaid “meal period”
    under a qualifying collective bargaining
    agreement?
    ORDER
    We respectfully ask the Supreme Court of California to
    exercise its discretion to decide the certified questions set
    forth in section II of this order.
    I. Administrative Information
    We provide the following information in accordance
    with California Rule of Court 8.548(b)(1). The caption of
    this case is:
    No. 21-16201
    GEORGE HUERTA, an individual, on
    behalf of himself and all others similarly
    4          HUERTA V. CSI ELEC. CONTRACTORS
    situated and as a representative plaintiff,
    Plaintiff-Appellant,
    v.
    CSI ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS,
    INC., Defendant-Appellee
    and
    FIRST SOLAR, INC.; CALIFORNIA
    FLATS SOLAR LLC; CA FLATS SOLAR
    130, LLC; CA FLATS SOLAR 150, LLC;
    CAL FLATS SOLAR CEI, LLC; CAL
    FLATS SOLAR HOLDCO, LLC; MILCO
    NATIONAL CONSTRUCTORS, INC.;
    CALIFORNIA           COMPACTION
    CORPORATION, Defendants.
    The names and addresses of counsel for the parties are:
    For Plaintiff-Appellant George Huerta:
    Lonnie C. Blanchard, III, 177 E Colorado
    Boulevard, Pasadena, CA 91105; Peter R.
    Dion-Kindem, The Dion-Kindem Law Firm,
    2945 Townsgate Road, Suite 200, Westlake
    Village, CA 91301.
    For Defendant-Appellee CSI Electrical
    Contractors,   Inc.:  Daniel  Benjamin
    Chammas and Min Kyung Kim, Ford &
    Harrison, LLP, 350 S Grand Avenue, Suite
    2300, Los Angeles, CA 90071.
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    As required by Rule 8.548(b)(1), we designate George
    Huerta as the petitioner if our request for certification is
    granted. He is the appellant before our court.
    II. Certified Questions
    We certify to the Supreme Court of California the
    following three questions of state law that are now before us:
    (1) Is time spent on an employer’s premises
    in a personal vehicle and waiting to scan
    an identification badge, have security
    guards peer into the vehicle, and then exit
    a Security Gate compensable as “hours
    worked” within the meaning of California
    Industrial Welfare Commission Wage
    Order No. 16?
    (2) Is time spent on the employer’s premises
    in a personal vehicle, driving between the
    Security Gate and the employee parking
    lots, while subject to certain rules from
    the employer, compensable as “hours
    worked” or as “employer-mandated
    travel” within the meaning of California
    Industrial Welfare Commission Wage
    Order No. 16?
    (3) Is time spent on the employer’s premises,
    when workers are prohibited from
    leaving but not required to engage in
    employer-mandated               activities,
    compensable as “hours worked” within
    the meaning of California Industrial
    Welfare Commission Wage Order No.
    16, or under California Labor Code
    6           HUERTA V. CSI ELEC. CONTRACTORS
    Section 1194, when that time was
    designated as an unpaid “meal period”
    under a qualifying collective bargaining
    agreement?
    Our phrasing of these questions should not restrict the
    California Supreme Court’s consideration of the issues
    involved; that court may reformulate the questions. Cal. R.
    Ct. 8.548(f)(5).
    We agree to accept and to follow the decisions of the
    California Supreme Court. Id. 8.548(b)(2); see also Frlekin
    v. Apple, Inc., 
    870 F.3d 867
    , 869 (9th Cir. 2017) (“[W]ith
    respect to a certified question, . . . the Ninth Circuit is bound
    by the California Supreme Court’s interpretation of
    California law.” (citation omitted)).
    III. Statement of Facts
    This case comes from a construction site at the California
    Flats Solar Project (“the Project”), a solar power facility in
    Monterey County, California, located on private property
    called Jack Ranch. The owner of the facility, First Solar
    Electric, Inc., retained CSI Electrical Contractors (“CSI”) for
    “procurement, installation, construction, and testing services
    on Phase 2 of the Project.”
    Appellant George Huerta worked for CSI through the
    subcontractor Milco National Constructors, Inc. Two
    collective bargaining agreements (“CBAs”) governed his
    employment: the Operating Engineers Local Union No. 3 of
    the International Union of Operating Engineers, AFL-CIO’s
    CBA, and the Project Labor Agreement specific to the
    Project.
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    For the Project, First Solar Electric was required to
    obtain and follow an Incidental Take Permit (“ITP”) from
    the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, which
    imposed specific rules regarding the presence of local
    endangered species. The CBA required workers to comply
    with the permit. The ITP imposed speed limits and other
    restrictions on the work site. A biologist also monitored the
    site to minimize disturbances to the species’ habitats and
    cleared the road each morning before anyone could enter.
    Workers commuted to the site via personal vehicles,
    carpools, and buses. The Project had one entrance, requiring
    workers to first pass a guard shack at the entrance, and then
    to stop at the Security Gate several miles down the road.
    Sometimes workers waited outside the entrance before the
    sun rose or the road was cleared by the biologist.
    After passing through the entrance, CSI workers stopped
    at the Security Gate miles down the road, where a guard
    scanned each worker’s badge and sometimes peered inside
    vehicles or truck beds. CSI told workers that the Security
    Gate was the first place they “were required to be at the
    beginning of the day in order to work.” The same badging-
    out process at the Security Gate was used to exit the site.
    Since many workers exited the Project around the same time
    each day, lines at the Security Gate often were five to twenty
    minutes long.
    On their way to work, once through the Security Gate,
    employees drove ten to fifteen more minutes to the parking
    lots down the road. On the drive, they had to follow various
    rules and restrictions regarding speed limits and passing;
    prohibitions on smoking, gambling, drinking, using drugs or
    firearms, and creating dust; and general precautions about
    the endangered species.         CSI told workers that
    noncompliance could result in suspension or termination.
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    CSI also informed workers they “were required to stay
    on the job Solar Site during the entire workday” including
    “during [their] meal periods.”
    The district court granted CSI’s first motion for partial
    summary judgment on April 28, 2021, and its second on June
    25, 2021. The district court ruled that CSI’s requirements
    that workers undergo the exit process and drive between the
    Security Gate and the parking lots before and after each shift
    did not rise to the level of control sufficient to require
    compensation. The district court also determined that the
    Security Gate was not the “first required location” as defined
    by Wage Order No. 16, and that Huerta’s meal period claims
    were statutorily exempted because he worked under a
    qualifying CBA. The district court relied on its decisions in
    two earlier class actions arising from the same site. See
    Griffin v. Sachs Elec. Co., 
    390 F. Supp. 3d 1070
     (N.D. Cal.
    2019), aff’d, 831 F. App’x 270 (9th Cir. 2020)
    (unpublished); Durham v. Sachs Elec. Co., No. 18-cv-
    04506-BLF, 
    2020 WL 7643125
     (N.D. Cal. Dec. 23, 2020).
    The parties stipulated to the judgment, which reserved
    Huerta’s right to appeal. Huerta timely appealed to our
    court.
    IV. Explanation of Certification Request
    No controlling California precedent has answered the
    certified questions presented here. These questions are
    dispositive in this case and have significant public policy
    implications for California workers and employers.
    A. Exit Process
    California law provides no clear answer to the certified
    question of whether California Industrial Welfare
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    Commission Wage Order No. 16 requires compensating
    workers for time spent on the employer’s premises in a
    personal vehicle, waiting to scan an identification badge,
    permit security guards to peer into the vehicle, and exit a
    Security Gate. 1 Wage Order No. 16 provides that employers
    must pay employees for all “hours worked,” which is defined
    as “the time during which an employee is subject to the
    control of an employer, and includes all the time the
    employee is suffered or permitted to work, whether or not
    required to do so.” Wage Order 16 §§ 2(J), 4(A). The
    California Supreme Court has held the two prongs are
    “independent factors, each of which defines whether certain
    time spent is compensable as ‘hours worked.’” Frlekin v.
    Apple, 
    457 P.3d 526
    , 531 (Cal. 2020) (quoting Morillion v.
    Royal Packing Co., 
    995 P.2d 139
    , 143 (Cal. 2000)).
    Huerta argues that this “mandatory exit security process”
    constitutes “hours worked” under both the “control” prong,
    and the “suffer or permit” prong, of Wage Order No. 16. On
    appeal, he specifically challenges the waiting time and
    security process only upon exit from, not entry to, the site.
    CSI refers to this time merely as “time exiting the project,”
    and contends the time is not compensable under the
    “control” prong because of the standard from Frlekin, and
    does not constitute hours worked under the “suffer or
    permit” prong due to the rule in Hernandez v. Pacific Bell
    Telephone Co., 
    239 Cal. Rptr. 3d 852
    , 860 (Ct. App. 2018).
    1
    Wage Order No. 16 regulates the wages, hours and working
    conditions in certain on-site occupations in the construction, drilling,
    logging, and mining industries.
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    1. “Control” Prong
    The California Supreme Court in Frlekin clarified the
    “determinative” question for the “control” prong is the level
    of control, “rather than the mere fact that the employer
    requires the employees’ activity.” 457 P.3d at 533, 538
    (quoting Morillion, 
    995 P.2d at 146
    ). For “onsite employer-
    controlled activities,” whether the activity is required is
    relevant but not dispositive; courts also consider additional
    relevant factors “including, but not limited to, the location of
    the activity, the degree of the employer’s control, whether
    the activity primarily benefits the employee or employer,
    and whether the activity is enforced through disciplinary
    measures.” Id. at 538. But the analyses and weight given to
    the factors differ slightly when addressing, for example, on-
    site security exit processes, see id., and mandatory on-call
    time on the employer’s premises, see, e.g., Mendiola v. CPS
    Sec. Sols., Inc., 
    340 P.3d 355
     (Cal. 2015). The analyses and
    weight also differ when addressing the employee’s travel
    time off the employer’s premises, such as travel to and from
    the employer’s premises on employer-mandated
    transportation, Morillion, 
    995 P.2d at 140
    , and travel to and
    from the employer’s premises on employer-provided
    optional transportation, Overton v. Walt Disney Co., 
    38 Cal. Rptr. 3d 693
    , 699–701 (Ct. App. 2006); Hernandez, 239 Cal.
    Rptr. 3d at 856–59. And no California court has addressed
    which iteration of the control analysis applies to time spent
    on the employer’s premises, in a personal vehicle, waiting
    for and undergoing an exit process.
    The Frlekin factors provide guidance, but no clear
    answer. Like the bag check in Frlekin, the process here was
    required to exit, and in both cases the process occurred on
    the employer’s premises and primarily benefitted the
    HUERTA V. CSI ELEC. CONTRACTORS                          11
    employer. 2 However, the disciplinary measures here were
    less extensive than those in Frlekin. 3 And the overall degree
    of control seems lower than in Frlekin, where the employer
    compelled workers to “perform specific and supervised tasks
    while awaiting and during the search,” like finding and
    waiting for an available manager or guard to conduct the
    search, opening all bags and packages and moving items
    inside, presenting personal technology for inspection, and
    “providing a personal technology card for device
    verification.” 457 P.3d at 531. While Huerta and his
    colleagues could also wait for up to twenty minutes to exit,
    he merely had to roll down his window and present his
    badge, and it is not clear that guards always looked into car
    windows or truck beds, or that this caused delays or required
    workers to take any action.
    California case law concerning employer control, and
    factors such as whether the control is exerted on or off the
    employer’s site, provides further guidance, but again no
    clear answer. The control exerted by the employers in
    Morillion and Mendiola—which the California Supreme
    2
    The Frlekin exit searches “promote[d] [the employer’s] interest in
    loss prevention.” 457 P.3d at 535. While CSI argues the exit process
    was “strictly for the purposes of ingress and egress,” the record supports
    that the purpose was theft prevention, and it is reasonable to infer CSI
    also intended to promote security and compliance with the
    environmental restrictions.
    3
    Compared to the extensive written discipline policy in Frlekin,
    457 P.3d at 536, including and up to termination for failure to undergo
    an exit search, here workers without badges could exit by obtaining
    clearance from the security guard shack. While workers could be
    disciplined or terminated if they twice attempted to exit the Security Gate
    “too early at the end of the workday,” this was because early arrival
    indicated workers were speeding on the internal roads, and so discipline
    was unrelated to the exit process.
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    Court deemed sufficient to require compensation—seems
    comparatively greater than that exerted here. In Morillion,
    
    995 P.2d at
    140–41, workers were required to travel on
    employer-provided buses from off-site meeting points to the
    employer’s premises, so the employees were off-site but
    under the employer’s control. In Mendiola, 340 P.3d at 357–
    58, workers were restricted from leaving the premises during
    on-call periods and required to immediately respond to
    activated alarms, though not required to take other actions,
    so the employees were on-site and under the employer’s
    control (because they were on-duty and required to stay on
    site). The California Court of Appeal in Overton, 38 Cal.
    Rptr. 3d at 699–701, emphasized that the mandatory nature
    of the transportation was critical in making off-site travel
    time compensable (though Frlekin, 457 P.3d at 538, stated
    that the mandatory nature was a non-dispositive factor for
    security exit processes). In comparison, Huerta could be in
    his personal vehicle, but was required to go through the
    Security Gate to leave the job site, and was on the
    employer’s premises until he exited the Security Gate, which
    meant he was necessarily prevented from performing
    personal errands until he exited the Gate and left the
    employer’s premises.
    As this case contains elements of the Frlekin security
    process and the Morillion and Overton transportation
    requirements, but does not fit neatly into either set of cases,
    we are uncertain whether CSI exerted sufficient control over
    Huerta for his time spent related to the exit process to
    constitute “hours worked” under Wage Order No. 16.
    Although Huerta was required to be on-site (and under some
    degree of employer control) until he exited the employer’s
    premises, he was in his personal vehicle, and the degree of
    employer control was not substantial. And the consequence
    of any interpretation of the Wage Order could significantly
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    impact employers and employees throughout California that
    require workers to badge into or out of worksites, buildings,
    parking garages, or other locations.
    2. “Suffer or Permit” Prong
    Huerta also argues that the time spent waiting for and
    undergoing the exit process was compensable as “hours
    worked” under the “suffer or permit” prong of Wage Order
    No. 16. Under California law, “an employee who is suffered
    or permitted to work does not have to be under the
    employer’s control to be compensated, provided the
    employer has or should have knowledge of the employee’s
    work.” Frlekin, 457 P.3d at 531 (first citing Morillion,
    
    995 P.2d at
    144–45; then citing Troester v. Starbucks Corp.,
    
    421 P.3d 1114
     (Cal. 2018); and then citing Hernandez,
    239 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 856). The “phrase ‘suffered or permitted
    to work, whether or not required to do so’ . . . encompasses
    a meaning distinct from merely ‘working.’ . . . [It] can be
    interpreted as time an employee is working but is not subject
    to an employer’s control.” Morillion, 
    995 P.2d at 145
    . And
    “a benefit is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for
    liability under the ‘suffer or permit’ standard. Instead . . . ,
    the basis of liability is the defendant’s knowledge of and
    failure to prevent the work from occurring.” Martinez v.
    Combs, 
    231 P.3d 259
    , 282 (Cal. 2010).
    The California Supreme Court has never explicitly
    defined “work” in the phrase “suffer or permit to work” or
    issued an opinion that squarely addresses the question. Cf.
    
    id.
     at 273–74, 282 (discussing the history of the phrase and
    its interaction with employer control); Dynamex Ops. W. v.
    Super. Ct., 
    416 P.3d 1
    , 32 (Cal. 2018) (discussing how the
    phrase impacted the definition of independent contractor).
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    The California Court of Appeal has held “the standard of
    ‘suffered or permitted to work’ is met when an employee is
    engaged in certain tasks or exertion that a manager would
    recognize as work. Mere transportation of tools, which does
    not add time or exertion to a commute, does not meet this
    standard.” Hernandez, 239 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 860 (quoting
    Taylor v. Cox Commc’ns Cal., LLC, 
    283 F. Supp. 3d 881
    ,
    890 (C.D. Cal. 2017)).
    Here, Huerta was a forklift operator, and there is no
    record evidence suggesting his manager would recognize
    driving his personal vehicle, rolling down his window, or
    scanning his identification badge as “work.” He does not
    contest these were the only required activities, but instead
    argues they met the legal standard because he had to literally
    exert himself to do so.
    However, the California Supreme Court has never
    explicitly adopted this definition and we are uncertain if it
    would. The answer would be dispositive here if decided in
    Huerta’s favor, so we respectfully certify this question.
    B. Drive Time
    No controlling California precedent has answered the
    certified question of whether Wage Order No. 16 requires
    compensating workers for time spent driving between the
    entrance/exit of the employer’s premises and the location
    where the shift begins/ends. Though the time spent driving
    between the employee parking lots and the Security Gate
    blends into the time spent waiting for the exit process, CSI’s
    control differed between the drive time and the exit process,
    and Huerta’s theory of liability is also distinct.
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    1. “Control” Prong
    Huerta argues he should be paid for the “drive time”
    between the Security Gate and the employee parking lots as
    “hours worked” under the “control” prong of Wage Order
    No. 16, as he was required to be on the employer’s premises,
    could not use the time for his own purposes, and was subject
    to CSI’s rules on the road. CSI contends that the relevant
    question is the level of control, not whether workers could
    use the time for their own purposes, and that enforcing rules
    on the road does not rise to a compensable level of control.
    Several of the Frlekin control factors favor Huerta: The
    drive occurred on CSI’s premises and the rules were
    enforced through disciplinary measures, including
    termination, and while the drive itself benefitted both the
    employee and employer, the rules—including bans on
    speeding, smoking, drinking, wearing headphones, and other
    activities—benefitted the employer.
    California cases concerning off-premises transportation
    are instructional here. Employers “control” drive time by
    requiring workers to use employer-provided transportation.
    Compare Morillion, 
    995 P.2d at
    146–47, with Hernandez,
    239 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 856–59 and Overton, 38 Cal. Rptr. 3d at
    697–99; see also Frlekin, 457 P.3d at 534 (“[I]n the
    commute context, an employer’s interest generally is limited
    to the employee’s timely arrival. . . . [U]nless the employer
    compels the employee to use a certain kind of transportation
    or employer-provided transportation, it would be, without
    more, unreasonable to require the employer to pay for travel
    time.”). In Morillion, for example, the time spent waiting
    for and riding on the employer-mandated buses constituted
    compensable “hours worked” under the relevant wage order
    because the employer exerted control by “determining when,
    where, and how [workers] are to travel.” 
    995 P.2d at 147
    .
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    The employer in Huerta’s case did not exert a similar time
    of control: Huerta used his own vehicle, and other workers
    carpooled with colleagues or took a bus, and the rules he had
    to follow fundamentally differ from the requirement to ride
    in an employer’s vehicle. 4 On the other hand, this is not an
    off-site transportation case: Huerta was required to be on the
    employer’s premises while he was traveling from the Gate
    to the parking lot, a fact that weighs in favor of the
    conclusion that he was under his employer’s control. See
    Frlekin, 457 P.3d at 531 (indicating that employees were
    under the employer’s control while awaiting an exit search
    in part because the employer “confines its employees to the
    premises as they wait for an undergo an exit search”); cf.
    Bono Enters., Inc. v. Bradshaw, 
    38 Cal. Rptr. 2d 549
    , 553–
    54 (Cal. App. 1995), disapproved on other grounds by
    Tidewater Marine Western, Inc. v. Bradshaw, 
    927 P.2d 296
    (Cal. 1996) (“When an employer directs, commands or
    restrains an employee from leaving the work place during
    his or her lunch hour and thus prevents the employee from
    using the time effectively for his or her own purposes, that
    employee remains subject to the employer’s control.”).
    California intermediate courts distinguish Morillion and
    employer-mandated off-site transportation from employer-
    provided optional off-site transportation, where employers
    do not exert sufficient control because workers have choices
    in their commutes. See Hernandez, 239 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 856–
    59; Overton, 38 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 697–99. Huerta argues CSI
    controlled the drive time between the Security Gate and the
    employee parking lots because he was on the employer’s
    4
    Some of the rules impose restrictions similar to ordinary traffic
    laws, which make the drive resemble non-compensable commute time
    more than employer-mandated travel. See Frlekin, 457 P.3d at 534
    (“Commuting . . . is not generally compensable.”).
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    premises, and therefore could not run errands or pick up his
    children. See Morillion, 
    995 P.2d at 146
    . But this argument
    is undermined by Hernandez, which determined that
    employers did not control drive time in optional employer-
    provided vehicles even when workers were required to carry
    the employer’s equipment and were not permitted to run
    errands or make other stops. 239 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 858–59.
    Indeed, while the Hernandez workers were fully precluded
    from non-work-related errands on their entire commute,
    Huerta could have done those things on the rest of his
    commute aside from the stretch between the Security Gate
    and the employee parking lots—but Huerta is claiming only
    that time spent on the stretch between the Gate and the lot
    qualifies as “hours worked.”
    In Overton, employees who drove to work were required
    to park in lots far from the job site, but the time spent on
    optional shuttles from the parking lot to the job site—time
    apparently not spent on the employer’s premises—was not
    compensable, as personally driving to work was voluntary
    (vanpools and buses were available) and use of the shuttles
    was not mandatory (they could walk or bike). 38 Cal. Rptr.
    3d at 699–701. The facts here distinguishable because the
    entire travel time occurs on the employer’s premises and
    Huerta had no option other than to travel on the employer’s
    premises from the Security Gate to the parking lot of the job
    site. Even if the arrival to the lot in Overton parallels
    Huerta’s arrival to the Security Gate as the first entry onto
    the employer’s premises, in Huerta’s case he had no option
    other than arriving at the Gate, whereas the Overton
    employees could arrive directly at their jobsite entrance. See
    id. at 695. For the same reason, the travel time between the
    lot and jobsite in Overton is distinguishable from the travel
    time between the Gate and jobsite here. And the Overton
    court rejected the suggestion to move the time clock to
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    badge-in at the parking lot as it would result in the employer
    “paying unnecessary compensation to many of its
    employees,” including those that walked or biked from the
    lot to the site. Id. at 701. But even though the travel from
    the parking lot to the job site was not compensable given that
    an employee could choose to not make the trip, Overton does
    not preclude Huerta’s similar drive time claim because he
    had no choice but to drive from the Gate to his jobsite.
    Yet the California Supreme Court has not decided the
    specific issue of whether driving on an employer’s premises,
    in a personal vehicle, before or after a shift, while subjected
    to an employer’s rules, is compensable as “hours worked”
    under the control prong of the wage order, so we are unsure
    if the time is compensable. Because interpreting the wage
    hour to favor either party could significantly increase or
    decrease California employers’ liability for compensating
    workers when they are on an employer’s premises, we
    respectfully certify this question for review.
    2. “Employer-Mandated Travel” and “First Location”
    Under Section 5
    Wage Order No. 16 Section 5(A) states, “All employer-
    mandated travel that occurs after the first location where the
    employee’s presence is required by the employer shall be
    compensated at the employee’s regular rate of pay or, if
    applicable, the premium rate . . . .”
    The California Supreme Court has never defined “first
    location” or “employer-mandated travel” in Wage Order No.
    16 Section 5and it appears this is the only wage order that
    includes this travel language. Therefore, we do not know if
    the Security Gate is the “first location” in this case. The
    California definition of “compulsory travel time” from
    Morillion may apply to and define “employer-mandated
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    travel” in Wage Order No. 16, as the legislative history of
    the wage order cited Morillion. 5 Also, the hearing
    discussing the passage of the wage order explicitly
    referenced “protect[ing] worker[s] from being seesawed
    between job sites . . . where they may be told to report to a
    particular job site, and then, after performing particular work
    there, being told to go to a secondary job site, and as a result,
    not being paid for the employer-controlled travel in
    between,” and also protecting workers who “have to park
    off-site and be bused into the job sites,” both of which are
    encompassed by the Morillion definition. 6 But as discussed
    above, it is not entirely clear that Morillion precludes
    compensating workers for the drive time, wait time, and
    badging time, so defining “first location” and/or “employer-
    mandated travel” could be dispositive for this issue.
    Huerta specifically contends the Security Gate was the
    “first location” the employer required him to be, and
    therefore the travel to and from that location was employer-
    mandated, not because he had to badge in but rather because
    managers told workers they had to go through the Gate
    before starting their shifts. It is true that there was at least a
    de facto required arrival time to be at the Gate for entry and
    exit: Workers had to sign in at the parking lots before their
    shift started; there was a strictly enforced speed limit on the
    only road between the Gate and parking lot; CSI knew how
    long the drive took; the Gate did not open until a certain time
    5
    Statement As to the Basis for Wage Order No. 16 Regarding
    Certain On-Site Occupations in the Construction, Drilling, Mining, and
    Logging Industries, at 10. https://www.dir.ca.gov/iwc/StatementAsTo
    TheBasisWageorder16.pdf.
    6
    Public Hearing, Department of Industrial Relations Industrial
    Welfare Commission, Sept. 21, 2000 (statements of Scott Wetch and
    Jerry Haft), https://www.dir.ca.gov/iwc/PUBHRG9211.htm.
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    each morning; and CSI “gave workers a scheduled time
    when [they] could enter” the site, which sometimes was
    delayed; which taken together indicates CSI and the workers
    knew the Gate arrival time was de facto required for workers
    to begin or end their shifts on time.
    But de facto arrival times do not always signify that the
    drive was employer-mandated, compensable travel.
    Standard commutes need not be compensated in California,
    see Frlekin, 457 P.3d at 534, during which there are always
    de facto required arrival times for locations unrelated to the
    employer. For example, a worker might have to arrive at a
    public toll plaza by 7:00 a.m. if she hopes to miss traffic and
    arrive at the office by 7:30 a.m., but we do not think that
    means the commute from the toll plaza to the office is
    compensable. By contrast, Huerta might have had to arrive
    at such a public toll plaza by 7:00 a.m. in order to arrive at
    the employer’s premises—i.e., the Security Gate—by
    7:30 a.m. and at his worksite by 8:00 a.m. And Overton cuts
    against Huerta’s theory of liability because, while the
    opinion did not discuss Section 5(A), the California Court of
    Appeal did not seem to think the travel from the parking lot
    to the job site was compensable merely because an employee
    had to make the trip once parked. On the other hand,
    employees in Overton had the option of reporting directly to
    the employee entrance, while Huerta had to report to the
    Security Gate.
    But because no court has specifically defined Section
    5(A), California courts broadly construe wage orders to
    protect workers, see Mendiola, 340 P.3d at 359, and this
    question would be dispositive if decided in Huerta’s favor,
    we respectfully request that the California Supreme Court
    answer this certified question.
    HUERTA V. CSI ELEC. CONTRACTORS                21
    C. Meal Periods
    Finally, no controlling California precedent has
    answered the certified question of whether Wage Order No.
    16 or California Labor Code Section 1194 requires
    compensating workers for time spent on the employer’s
    premises, when workers are prohibited from leaving but not
    required to engage in employer-mandated activities, and that
    time is designated as an unpaid “meal period” under a
    qualifying collective bargaining agreement. The answer to
    this question would dispositively address Huerta’s meal
    period claim.
    California law requires employers to pay workers
    minimum wage, “[n]otwithstanding any agreement to work
    for a lesser wage.” 
    Cal. Lab. Code § 1194
    ; see also 
    Cal. Lab. Code § 1182.12
    ; IWC Wage Order 16 §§ 2, 4 (requiring
    minimum wage for all “hours worked”). California law also
    requires providing workers thirty-minute meal periods,
    subject to certain exceptions. 
    Cal. Lab. Code § 512
    (a).
    California courts have stated the Labor Code requires that
    the meal periods be paid if work is required, which includes
    when workers cannot leave the employer’s premises (i.e. an
    on-duty meal period). See, e.g., Brinker Rest. Corp. v.
    Super. Ct., 
    273 P.3d 513
    , 532–35 (Cal. 2012) (discussing the
    historical legal basis for off-duty meal period requirements,
    including ensuring employees “are free to leave the
    premises”); Bono Enters., Inc., 38 Cal. Rptr. 2d at 556
    (supporting the interpretation of the wage order to require
    “an employer to pay an employee for meal periods during
    which the employee is precluded from leaving the
    worksite”); Madera Police Officers Ass’n v. City of Madera,
    
    682 P.2d 1087
    , 1088 (Cal. 1984) (analyzing whether meal
    periods were so circumscribed as to constitute “hours
    worked”).
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    But Labor Code Sections 512(e) and (f) expressly
    exempt from meal period requirements “employee[s]
    employed in a construction occupation” if “covered by a
    valid collective bargaining agreement” that:
    expressly provides for the wages, hours of
    work, and working conditions of employees,
    and expressly provides for meal periods for
    those employees, final and binding
    arbitration of disputes concerning application
    of its meal period provisions, premium wage
    rates for all overtime hours worked, and a
    regularly hourly rate of pay of not less than
    30 percent more than the state minimum
    wage rate.
    Those conditions are met here.
    Paralleling the Labor Code requirements, Wage Order
    No. 16 Sections 10(A) and (D) mandate thirty-minute meal
    periods, which must be paid and counted as time worked
    unless the worker “is relieved of all duty.” Section 10(E)
    further states that Sections 10(A) and (D):
    shall not apply to any employee covered by a
    valid collective bargaining agreement if the
    agreement expressly provides for the wages,
    hours of work, and working conditions of the
    employees, and if the agreement provides
    premium wage rates for all overtime hours
    worked and a regular hourly rate of pay for
    those employees of not less than 30 percent
    more than the state minimum wage.
    These conditions are encompassed by those in the Labor
    Code Section 512(e), and also met here.
    HUERTA V. CSI ELEC. CONTRACTORS                  23
    Referencing Labor Code Sections 512(e) and (f), the
    California Court of Appeal has held employers and union-
    represented employees covered by valid CBAs may bargain
    over (and perhaps bargain away) the right to off-duty meal
    periods, Araquistain v. Pac. Gas & Elec. Co., 
    176 Cal. Rptr. 3d 620
    , 628 (Ct. App. 2014), because of the “express
    statutory exemption[s] for CBA-covered employees relating
    to the . . . right,” Gutierrez v. Brand Energy Servs. of Cal.,
    Inc., 
    264 Cal. Rptr. 3d 173
    , 183 (Ct. App. 2020) (citing
    Araquistain, 176 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 628; Vranish v. Exxon
    Mobil Corp., 
    166 Cal. Rptr. 3d 845
    , 848–50 (Ct. App. 2014)
    (permitting union-represented employees covered by valid
    CBAs to bargain over overtime rights)). But the Gutierrez
    court specifically distinguished between minimum wage
    rights as compared to off-duty meal period and overtime
    rights, because “[t]here is no equivalent statutory language”
    permitting bargaining over minimum wage rights for CBA-
    covered workers. 264 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 183.
    Thus, while it is clear that union-represented employees
    covered by a valid CBA may bargain over meal period
    rights, it is less certain if they may bargain away the right
    entirely, and it is unclear if they may bargain away their right
    to be paid minimum wage for “on-duty” meal periods where
    they are prohibited from leaving the employer’s premises.
    Huerta contends state law minimum wage protections apply
    to the time he spent on CSI’s premises during time
    designated as an unpaid meal period under his CBA because
    he was prohibited from leaving and so was on duty. But CSI
    asserts this “minimum wage” claim is merely a meal period
    claim in disguise, and so properly exempted under Labor
    Code Sections 512(e) and (f) and Wage Order No. 16
    Section 10(E).
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    Whether minimum wage laws proscribe, permit, or
    otherwise affect unpaid, on-duty meal periods in CBAs
    under Wage Order No. 16 and Labor Code Sections 512 and
    1194, such that a CBA can relinquish the right to minimum
    wage compensation for on-duty meal periods, has not yet
    been addressed by California courts. And while the record
    does not show how many workers are subject to a CBA that
    provides for unpaid meal periods while prohibiting workers
    from leaving the employer’s premises, the answer to this
    question will no doubt affect many union-represented
    workers across California. Thus, we respectfully submit this
    question to the California Supreme Court for review.
    V. Accompanying Materials
    The clerk of this court is hereby directed to file in the
    Supreme Court of California, under official seal of the
    United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, copies
    of all relevant briefs and excerpts of the record, and an
    original and ten copies of this order and request for
    certification, along with a certification of service on the
    parties, pursuant to California Rule of Court 8.548(c)–(d).
    This case is withdrawn from submission. Further
    proceedings before us are stayed pending final action by the
    Supreme Court of California. The Clerk is directed to
    administratively close this docket, pending further order.
    The parties shall notify the clerk of this court within seven
    days after the Supreme Court of California accepts or rejects
    certification, and again within seven days if that Court
    accepts certification and subsequently renders an opinion.
    The panel retains jurisdiction over further proceedings.
    IT IS SO ORDERED.