United States v. Juan Bastide-Hernandez ( 2022 )


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  •                  FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                  No. 19-30006
    Plaintiff-Appellant,
    D.C. No.
    v.                      1:18-cr-02050-
    SAB-1
    JUAN CARLOS BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ,
    AKA Jesus Chavez-Gongoria, AKA
    Domingo Chavez-Lopez, AKA                    OPINION
    Francisco Soto Hernandez,
    Defendant-Appellee.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of Washington
    Stanley A. Bastian, Chief District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted En Banc March 22, 2022
    Pasadena, California
    Filed July 11, 2022
    Before: Mary H. Murguia, Chief Judge, and M. Margaret
    McKeown, Kim McLane Wardlaw, Consuelo M. Callahan,
    Morgan Christen, John B. Owens, Michelle T. Friedland,
    Ryan D. Nelson, Daniel P. Collins, Danielle J. Forrest and
    Patrick J. Bumatay, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Owens;
    Concurrence by Judge Friedland;
    Partial Concurrence and Partial Dissent by Judge Collins
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    SUMMARY *
    Criminal Law
    The en banc court reversed the district court’s dismissal
    of an indictment charging illegal reentry after removal in
    violation of 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    , and remanded for further
    proceedings, in a case in which the district court determined
    that defects in the notice to appear (“NTA”)—which
    initiated the immigration proceedings against the defendant
    resulting in his eventual removal from the United States—
    deprived the immigration court of subject matter jurisdiction
    to effect the removal in the first place, thereby rendering the
    entire immigration proceeding “void ab initio.”
    Consistent with Ninth Circuit precedent and that of every
    other circuit to consider this issue, the en banc court held that
    the failure of an NTA to include time and date information
    does not deprive the immigration court of subject matter
    jurisdiction, and thus the defendant’s removal was not “void
    ab initio,” as the district court determined.
    The en banc court explained that 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a)—a regulation by which the Attorney General
    purported to condition the “jurisdiction” of immigration
    courts upon the filing of a charging document, including
    NTAs—is a claim-processing rule not implicating the
    court’s adjudicatory authority. The en banc court read
    § 1003.14(a)’s reference to “jurisdiction” in a purely
    colloquial sense. The en banc court wrote that although the
    statutory definition of an NTA requires the date and time of
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It
    has been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ                  3
    the removal hearing, 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    (a)(1)(G)(i), this
    provision chiefly concerns the notice the government must
    provide noncitizens regarding their removal proceedings,
    not the authority of immigration courts to conduct those
    proceedings. The panel concluded that the import of the
    holding in this case, in concert with that in Karingithi v.
    Whitaker, 
    913 F.3d 1158
     (9th Cir. 2019), is thus that
    § 1003.14(a) is a nonjurisdictional claim-processing rule,
    and the filing of an undated NTA that is subsequently
    supplemented with a notice of hearing fully complies with
    the requirements of that regulation.
    Concurring in the judgment, Judge Friedland wrote
    separately to urge the Government to adhere to the statutory
    requirements for the NTA. She wrote that there is a strong
    argument that a transitional provision in the Illegal
    Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act
    shows that Congress intended service of the NTA to be a
    jurisdictional requirement. She encouraged the Government
    to redouble its efforts to comply with the statute—both to
    minimize disruption to immigration proceedings in the event
    the Supreme Court disagrees with the court’s holding today,
    and because providing the required information at the outset
    better serves clarity, efficiency, and due process in any
    event.
    Judge Collins concurred in the majority opinion in all
    respects except for footnote 10, which remands “for the
    district court to reconsider its § 1326(d) analysis” in light of
    United States v. Palomar-Santiago, 
    141 S. Ct. 1615
     (2021).
    He wrote that (1) having properly reversed the district
    court’s dismissal of the indictment, which did not rest on an
    application of § 1326(d), there is no need for this court to
    instruct the district court to consider any particular issue as
    the case proceeds on remand; (2) the majority’s instructions
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    to reconsider the § 1326(d) issue violate the party
    presentation principle, under which courts normally decide
    only questions presented by the parties; and (3) the particular
    issues that the majority conjures up for remand are both
    irrelevant and meritless.
    COUNSEL
    Scott A. C. Meisler (argued), Attorney; Lisa H. Miller,
    Deputy Assistant Attorney General; Kenneth A. Polite Jr.,
    Assistant Attorney General; Patrick J. Glen, Senior
    Litigation Counsel; John W. Blakeley, Assistant Director;
    Office of Immigration Litigation, Civil Division, United
    States Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; Vanessa R.
    Waldref, United States Attorney; Richard C. Burson,
    Assistant United States Attorney; United States Attorney’s
    Office, Yakima, Washington; for Plaintiff-Appellant.
    Paul E. Shelton Jr. (argued), Federal Defenders of Eastern
    Washington, Yakima, Washington, for Defendant-Appellee.
    Richard W. Mark, Amer S. Ahmed, Alexandra Perloff-Giles,
    and Cassarah M. Chu, Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP, New
    York, New York, for Amici Curiae Former Immigration
    Judges and Members of the Board of Immigration Appeals.
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    OPINION
    OWENS, Circuit Judge:
    The United States appeals from the district court’s
    dismissal of an indictment charging Juan Carlos Bastide-
    Hernandez with illegal reentry after removal, in violation of
    
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    . According to the district court, defects in
    the notice to appear (“NTA”)—which initiated the
    immigration proceedings against Bastide-Hernandez
    resulting in his eventual removal from the United States—
    deprived the immigration court of subject matter jurisdiction
    to effect the removal in the first place, thereby rendering the
    entire immigration proceeding “void ab initio.”
    Consistent with our own precedent and that of every
    other circuit to consider this issue, we hold that the failure of
    an NTA to include time and date information does not
    deprive the immigration court of subject matter jurisdiction,
    and thus Bastide-Hernandez’s removal was not “void ab
    initio,” as the district court determined. We reverse the
    district court’s dismissal and remand for further proceedings.
    I. BACKGROUND AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY
    Bastide-Hernandez, a citizen and native of Mexico, first
    entered the United States in 1996 without inspection. In the
    years that followed, he was convicted of narcotics and
    firearms offenses, as well as assault with a deadly weapon.
    Bastide-Hernandez has also had extensive contact with
    the immigration system. In April 2006, he was placed in
    removal proceedings by U.S. Immigration and Customs
    Enforcement (“ICE”). ICE sent NTAs to his residence and
    his immigration detention facility, but neither specified the
    date or time of the hearing. While ICE later sent a curative
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    notice of hearing for June 14, 2006, via fax to an unidentified
    custodial officer at the detention facility, Bastide-Hernandez
    denies receiving the notice of hearing, and the record
    remains unclear if he did. Though we lack a transcript or
    recording of the June 14, 2006, hearing, on appeal, Bastide-
    Hernandez concedes he attended the hearing via
    videoconference, and the immigration judge subsequently
    ordered his removal from the United States.
    Despite his removal, Bastide-Hernandez returned to the
    United States. In 2018, a grand jury in the Eastern District
    of Washington returned an indictment for illegal re-entry
    after removal in violation of 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    (a). 1 Bastide-
    Hernandez moved to dismiss the indictment and argued that
    the NTA’s omission of the date and time of his removal
    hearing meant that the immigration court lacked subject
    matter jurisdiction over his case. Because the immigration
    court lacked subject matter jurisdiction, the argument went,
    the removal order underlying the indictment was “void and
    without legal effect.” And without the underlying removal,
    Bastide-Hernandez contended, the § 1326 indictment was
    necessarily defective.
    The district court agreed with Bastide-Hernandez and
    dismissed the indictment. It treated the defective NTA as
    depriving the immigration court of subject matter
    jurisdiction and concluded that “[a]bsent jurisdiction, the
    removal order is void on its face and it is ‘the duty of this
    1
    Section 1326(a) requires the government to prove: (1) the
    defendant was removed from the United States; (2) “thereafter the
    defendant knowingly and voluntarily reentered the United States without
    having obtained the consent of the Attorney General or the Secretary of
    the Department of Homeland Security, to reapply for admission into the
    United States”; and (3) “the defendant was [a noncitizen] at the time of
    reentry.” Ninth Circuit Model Criminal Jury Instructions § 7.6 (2022).
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    and every other court to disregard it.’” The court explained
    that in addition to 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    (d), which is the statutory
    vehicle to collaterally attack the underlying deportation
    order, 2 “there remains a free-standing due process right to
    challenge a deportation order issued from a court that lacked
    subject-matter jurisdiction in a subsequent criminal case in
    which that order is used as an element, as the immigration
    court proceeding, its orders, and any protections it may have
    purported to offer were void ab initio.” 3
    The United States appealed, and a three-judge panel held
    that the defective NTA did not deprive the immigration court
    of subject matter jurisdiction and remanded the case for
    further proceedings. United States v. Bastide-Hernandez,
    
    3 F.4th 1193
    , 1196–98 (9th Cir.), vacated, 
    20 F.4th 1230
    (9th Cir. 2021). Judge Milan Smith concurred in the
    2
    Section 1326(d) provides:
    In a criminal proceeding under this section, [a
    noncitizen] may not challenge the validity of the
    deportation order described in subsection (a)(1) or
    subsection (b) unless the [noncitizen] demonstrates
    that—
    (1) the [noncitizen] exhausted any administrative
    remedies that may have been available to seek
    relief against the order;
    (2) the deportation proceedings at which the order
    was issued improperly deprived the [noncitizen]
    of the opportunity for judicial review; and
    (3) the entry of the order was fundamentally unfair.
    3
    In a footnote, the district court explained that if it “were to apply
    the 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    (d) factors, it would likely find them met” in part
    because the 2006 removal order was “fundamentally unfair.”
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    judgment because Bastide-Hernandez failed to satisfy the
    § 1326(d) requirements, but read our decisions in Karingithi
    v. Whitaker, 
    913 F.3d 1158
     (9th Cir. 2019), and Aguilar
    Fermin v. Barr, 
    958 F.3d 887
     (9th Cir. 2020), to “compel the
    conclusion that the Immigration Court lacked jurisdiction to
    issue a removal order because the court never cured the
    omission of the date and time of the hearing” from the NTA.
    Bastide-Hernandez, 3 F.4th at 1198 (M. Smith, J.,
    concurring).
    Our court voted to take this case en banc to examine what
    effect, if any, a defective NTA has on an immigration court’s
    subject matter jurisdiction.
    II. DISCUSSION
    A. Standard of Review
    We review a district court’s decision to dismiss a
    criminal indictment de novo, United States v. W.R. Grace,
    
    504 F.3d 745
    , 751 (9th Cir. 2007), as we do its conclusion
    that a defect in removal proceedings precludes reliance upon
    the resulting order of removal in a subsequent prosecution
    under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    , United States v. Reyes-Bonilla,
    
    671 F.3d 1036
    , 1042 (9th Cir. 2012).
    B. A Defective       NTA Does Not Affect the
    Immigration        Court’s “Subject Matter
    Jurisdiction”
    “Jurisdiction,” the Supreme Court has cautioned, “is a
    word of many, too many, meanings.” Steel Co. v. Citizens
    for a Better Env’t, 
    523 U.S. 83
    , 90 (1998). It has been
    invoked, often imprecisely, in reference to forms of relief a
    court is empowered to grant, see 
    id.,
     duties a judge is
    authorized to perform, see, e.g., 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (c), and
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    even the territorial boundaries of a court’s authority, see,
    e.g., 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.19
    (c)(1). But rules of subject matter
    jurisdiction are sui generis. They define the class of cases a
    court has the “statutory or constitutional power to
    adjudicate.” Steel Co., 
    523 U.S. at 89
     (emphasis in original).
    Such rules can never be waived or forfeited, courts are
    obligated to raise them sua sponte if the parties fail to do so,
    and if subject matter jurisdiction is found lacking at any
    stage of litigation, the suit must be dismissed (sometimes at
    considerable cost to the parties and the court). 4 See Gonzalez
    v. Thaler, 
    565 U.S. 134
    , 141 (2012). In short, the
    consequences of denominating any rule subject matter
    jurisdictional are “drastic.” 
    Id.
    Thus, the Supreme Court has sought to impose
    “discipline” on the use of the term by distinguishing between
    rules properly implicating a court’s adjudicatory authority
    and mere claim-processing rules. Henderson ex rel.
    Henderson v. Shinseki, 
    562 U.S. 428
    , 435 (2011). Unlike
    rules of subject matter jurisdiction, claim-processing rules
    “seek to promote the orderly progress of litigation by
    requiring that the parties take certain procedural steps at
    certain specified times,” 
    id.,
     and “may be forfeited if the
    party asserting the rule waits too long to raise the point,”
    Manrique v. United States, 
    137 S. Ct. 1266
    , 1272 (2017)
    (internal quotation marks omitted). This is not to say the
    rules are optional. A timely objection to a claim-processing
    4
    Less clear, however, is whether subject matter jurisdiction can be
    attacked collaterally. See Kontrick v. Ryan, 
    540 U.S. 443
    , 455 n.9 (2004)
    (noting, as dictum, that subject matter jurisdiction “may not be attacked
    collaterally”); United States v. Cortez, 
    930 F.3d 350
    , 357 (4th Cir. 2019)
    (explaining that “the interest in the finality of judgments is sufficiently
    strong” that a collateral attack on subject matter jurisdiction will be
    permitted “only in exceptional circumstances”). For the purposes of this
    opinion, we assume that it can, though we do not decide this issue.
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    defect can in some cases warrant dismissal of the case. See,
    e.g., 
    id. at 1274
    . But the Supreme Court “has long rejected
    the notion that all mandatory prescriptions, however
    emphatic, are properly typed jurisdictional.” Gonzalez,
    
    565 U.S. at 146
     (internal quotation marks and ellipsis
    omitted).
    As relevant here, the Attorney General has promulgated
    a regulation purporting to condition the “jurisdiction” of
    immigration courts upon the filing of a charging document,
    including NTAs. 
    8 C.F.R. §§ 1003.13
    , 1003.14(a). 5 And
    the question is whether this regulation goes to the subject
    matter jurisdiction of immigration courts, with all the
    procedural consequences attending the use of that label. We
    join the emerging consensus of our sister circuits in holding
    that it does not. 6 Section 1003.14(a) is a claim-processing
    rule not implicating the court’s adjudicatory authority, and
    we read its reference to “jurisdiction” in a purely colloquial
    sense.
    The Fourth Circuit’s reasoning in United States v. Cortez
    is especially persuasive. 
    930 F.3d 350
     (4th Cir. 2019). Like
    Bastide-Hernandez, the defendant in that case was deported
    following immigration proceedings commenced with an
    undated NTA. 
    Id.
     at 353–54. He was orally notified of the
    5
    
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a) provides, in part, “Jurisdiction vests, and
    proceedings before an Immigration Judge commence, when a charging
    document is filed with the Immigration Court by the Service.”
    6
    See Lopez-Munoz v. Barr, 
    941 F.3d 1013
    , 1016 (10th Cir. 2019);
    Perez-Sanchez v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    935 F.3d 1148
    , 1150 (11th Cir. 2019);
    Pierre-Paul v. Barr, 
    930 F.3d 684
    , 691–93 (5th Cir. 2019), abrogated in
    part on other grounds by Niz-Chavez v. Garland, 
    141 S. Ct. 1474
     (2021);
    United States v. Cortez, 
    930 F.3d 350
    , 358–62 (4th Cir. 2019); Ortiz-
    Santiago v. Barr, 
    924 F.3d 956
    , 962–64 (7th Cir. 2019).
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    date and time of his removal hearing and attended it via
    videoconference, but he never challenged the immigration
    court’s jurisdiction or appealed the order of removal. 
    Id.
     In
    a subsequent prosecution for illegal reentry, he argued, for
    the first time, that the NTA was insufficient to vest subject
    matter jurisdiction in the immigration court under 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a) because it lacked date and time information,
    and thus the resulting order of removal was void. 
    Id.
     at 354–
    55. After disputing (without conclusively overruling) the
    parties’ assumption that subject matter jurisdiction can be
    collaterally attacked in general or attacked without satisfying
    the 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    (d) requirements, 
    id.
     at 356–58, the
    Fourth Circuit held that 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a) “is an internal
    docketing rule, not a limit on an immigration court’s
    ‘jurisdiction’ or authority to act,” 
    id. at 358
    .
    As the Fourth Circuit explained, “the immigration
    courts’ adjudicatory authority over removal proceedings
    comes not from the agency regulation codified at 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a), but from Congress: It is the [Immigration and
    Nationality Act (“INA”)] that explicitly and directly grants
    that authority.” 
    Id. at 360
     (internal quotation marks
    omitted); see also 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(a)(1) (“An immigration
    judge shall conduct proceedings for deciding the
    inadmissibility or deportability of [a noncitizen].”). Nothing
    in the INA, the Fourth Circuit observed, conditions an
    immigration court’s adjudicatory authority “on compliance
    with rules governing notices to appear, whether statutory,
    see 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    (a) (statutory definition of notice to
    appear), or regulatory, see 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.18
    (b).” Cortez,
    930 F.3d at 360. Nor could that condition spring from
    
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a) because jurisdiction ordinarily
    operates as an external constraint on a court’s authority to
    act. “To deem such a regulation jurisdictional would be to
    say that the Attorney General is in effect, . . . telling himself
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    what he may or may not do.” 
    Id.
     (internal quotation marks
    omitted) (emphasis in original); see also Garcia v. Lynch,
    
    786 F.3d 789
    , 797 n.2 (9th Cir. 2015) (Berzon, J.,
    concurring); accord Perez-Sanchez v. U.S. Att’y Gen.,
    
    935 F.3d 1148
    , 1155 (11th Cir. 2019); Ortiz-Santiago v.
    Barr, 
    924 F.3d 956
    , 963 (7th Cir. 2019).
    We agree. Although the statutory definition of an NTA
    requires that it contain the date and time of the removal
    hearing, 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    (a)(1)(G)(i), this provision chiefly
    concerns the notice the government must provide
    noncitizens regarding their removal proceedings, not the
    authority of immigration courts to conduct those
    proceedings. See Pereira v. Sessions, 
    138 S. Ct. 2105
    , 2115
    (2018). Nowhere does the statute imply, much less “clearly
    state,” that its requirements are jurisdictional. See Sebelius
    v. Auburn Reg’l Med. Ctr., 
    568 U.S. 145
    , 153 (2013) (“We
    inquire whether Congress has clearly stated that the rule is
    jurisdictional; absent such a clear statement, we have
    cautioned, courts should treat the restriction as
    nonjurisdictional in character.” (internal quotation marks
    and alteration omitted)). And Department of Justice
    (“DOJ”) regulations cannot define the subject matter
    jurisdiction of immigration courts, because Congress gave
    the Attorney General “no authority to adopt rules of
    jurisdictional dimension.” Union Pac. R.R. Co. v. Bhd. of
    Locomotive Eng’rs & Trainmen Gen. Comm. of Adjustment,
    Cent. Region, 
    558 U.S. 67
    , 84 (2009). The only sensible way
    to read 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a), then, is as a docketing rule
    whose function extends no further than providing for “the
    orderly administration of proceedings, including deportation
    proceedings, before the immigration judges.” Cortez,
    930 F.3d at 362.
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    This reading is consistent with the purpose and history
    of § 1003.14. Cf. Gundy v. United States, 
    139 S. Ct. 2116
    ,
    2126 (2019) (plurality) (explaining “competing views” of
    statutory interpretation). The 1985 Notice of Proposed
    Rulemaking for § 1003.14’s predecessor regulation,
    
    8 C.F.R. § 3.14
    , notes that then-existing DOJ regulations
    permitted the Immigration and Naturalization Service (the
    predecessor of the Department of Homeland Security) to
    terminate removal proceedings at any time prior to the
    commencement of the hearing. Aliens and Nationality;
    Rules of Procedure for Proceedings Before Immigration
    Judges, 
    50 Fed. Reg. 51,693
    , 51,693 (Dec. 19, 1985). Thus,
    by fixing the point at which proceedings commence (and the
    immigration court’s authority is invoked), the regulation
    “limit[ed] the Service’s ability to cancel an Order to Show
    Cause,” and provided the Executive Office for Immigration
    Review “with the ability to utilize its resources efficiently by
    ensuring optimal scheduling of matters on its hearing
    calendars.” 
    Id.
     Although the regulation and notice of
    proposed rulemaking speak of “jurisdiction,” clearly their
    focus was the internal, operational efficiency of the
    immigration review process, see Cortez, 930 F.3d at 361–62,
    a hallmark of a claim-processing rule unrelated to subject
    matter jurisdiction.
    This reading is also consistent with how we treat
    charging documents in other contexts. Federal Rule of Civil
    Procedure 3, for example, provides that “[a] civil action is
    commenced by filing a complaint with the court.” But the
    failure to comply with this rule is not a defect of
    jurisdictional proportion. See Schlesinger v. Councilman,
    
    420 U.S. 738
    , 742 n.5 (1975) (“[S]o long as the court’s
    subject-matter jurisdiction actually existed and adequately
    appeared to exist from the papers filed, . . . any defect in the
    manner in which the action was instituted and processed is
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    not itself jurisdictional and does not prevent entry of a valid
    judgment.”). And although a criminal indictment must, as a
    matter of constitutional law, charge any facts that enhance
    the defendant’s sentence beyond the statutory maximum,
    Apprendi v. New Jersey, 
    530 U.S. 466
    , 476 (2000), omission
    of those facts (or any other defect in the indictment) will not
    oust the court’s jurisdiction, United States v. Cotton,
    
    535 U.S. 625
    , 630–31 (2002). If an indictment defect of
    constitutional magnitude does not affect an Article III
    court’s subject matter jurisdiction, defects in an NTA
    likewise have no bearing on an immigration court’s
    adjudicatory authority.
    Our conclusion here is consistent with Karingithi,
    
    913 F.3d 1158
    . At issue in Karingithi was whether the filing
    of an undated NTA, subsequently supplemented with a
    notice of hearing that specified the date and time of the
    removal hearing, was sufficient to vest jurisdiction in the
    immigration court. 
    Id. at 1158
    . We answered in the
    affirmative. 
    Id.
     at 1159–60. We acknowledged the Supreme
    Court’s decision in Pereira that an undated NTA does not
    qualify as a notice to appear under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    (a) for the
    purposes of the stop-time rule. 
    Id. at 1161
    ; see also Pereira,
    
    138 S. Ct. at 2110
    ; 8 U.S.C. § 1229b(d)(1). But we held that
    DOJ “regulations, not § 1229(a), define when [immigration
    court] jurisdiction vests,” and “[a] notice to appear need not
    include time and date information to satisfy this standard.”
    Karingithi, 913 F.3d at 1160.
    In so holding, we borrowed the “jurisdiction vests”
    phraseology of 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a). But, like the
    regulation itself, this reference to “jurisdiction” was
    colloquial—that is to say, not denoting “subject matter
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    jurisdiction” or the court’s fundamental power to act. 7 Thus,
    the import of our holding in this case, in concert with that in
    Karingithi, is that § 1003.14(a) is a nonjurisdictional claim-
    processing rule, and the filing of an undated NTA that is
    subsequently supplemented with a notice of hearing fully
    complies with the requirements of that regulation. 8 See id.
    at 1162; Aguilar Fermin, 958 F.3d at 895 (extending
    Karingithi to NTAs that fail to specify the location of the
    removal hearing). 9
    7
    In the wake of Karingithi, some practitioners interpreted its
    references to “jurisdiction” as applying to the immigration court’s
    subject matter jurisdiction, and some case law can be read to suggest that
    this is the correct reading. See, e.g., Cortes-Maldonado v. Barr, 
    978 F.3d 643
    , 646 n.2 (9th Cir. 2020); Aguilar Fermin v. Barr, 
    958 F.3d 887
    , 891–
    95 (9th Cir. 2020); United States v. Gomez, 
    499 F. Supp. 3d 680
    , 685–
    88 (N.D. Cal. 2020); United States v. Martinez-Gonzalez, 
    417 F. Supp. 3d 1349
    , 1351–53 (E.D. Wash. 2019), appeal voluntarily dismissed, No.
    19-30252 (9th Cir. Feb. 10, 2020). To the extent that courts or
    practitioners have read Karingithi as holding that the Attorney General’s
    regulations govern the immigration court’s subject matter jurisdiction,
    today we clarify that this is not the law in the Ninth Circuit.
    8
    To be clear, Karingithi did not address whether a timely notice of
    hearing supplying time and date information missing from the NTA was
    required to comply with § 1003.14(a) and neither do we. 913 F.3d
    at 1162.
    9
    After Niz-Chavez, the information required in an NTA under
    § 1229(a) must appear in a single document to trigger the stop-time rule.
    141 S. Ct. at 1480. But that decision did not concern the docketing
    procedure set forth in 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    (a). Thus, while the supplement
    of a notice of hearing would not cure any NTA deficiencies under
    § 1229(a), we continue to hold that it suffices for purposes of
    § 1003.14(a). See Karingithi, 913 F.3d at 1161 (noting that the definition
    of “‘notice to appear under section 1229(a)’ does not govern the meaning
    of ‘notice to appear’ under an unrelated regulatory provision”).
    16         UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ
    Because the district court erroneously concluded that the
    undated NTA precipitating Bastide-Hernandez’s removal in
    2006 was insufficient to vest subject matter jurisdiction in
    the immigration court and thus rendered its removal order
    “void ab initio,” we reverse and remand for further
    proceedings consistent with this opinion.10
    REVERSED AND REMANDED.
    10
    The district court assumed that “a challenge to the immigration
    court’s jurisdiction need not comply with § 1326(d)’s limitations on
    collateral attacks.” But the court did not have the benefit of the Supreme
    Court’s recent decision in United States v. Palomar-Santiago, 
    141 S. Ct. 1615
     (2021). We remand for the district court to reconsider its § 1326(d)
    analysis in light of that decision. And at that time, counsel for Bastide-
    Hernandez can unequivocally state whether he believes § 1326(d) relief
    is available. We do not interpret counsel’s statements at oral argument
    as definitively as the partial dissent does. Compare Oral Argument at
    56:47–56:52 (“If you say I do not win on the jurisdiction issue, remand
    for 1326(d) is not necessary.”), with Oral Argument at 30:18–30:27
    (“[A]t worst, this panel must remand to the district court because
    Mr. Bastide-Hernandez was not given an opportunity to present evidence
    regarding 1326(d) . . . .”).
    We also leave it to the district court to determine on remand whether
    Bastide-Hernandez forfeited his claim-processing rights by failing to
    raise them during his 2006 immigration proceedings, and if forfeiture is
    affected by whether he received a notice of hearing.
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ                         17
    FRIEDLAND, Circuit Judge, concurring in the judgment:
    I agree that we should reverse and remand for the district
    court to decide whether Bastide-Hernandez has satisfied all
    three requirements of 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    (d). See United States
    v. Palomar-Santiago, 
    141 S. Ct. 1615
    , 1620–21 (2021). 1 I
    write separately, however, to urge the Government to adhere
    to the statutory requirements for the notice to appear
    (“NTA”). See 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    (a)(1). Although our court
    today holds that service of an NTA is not required to confer
    jurisdiction on the immigration court, there are strong
    1
    I read § 1326(d) to apply to any collateral attack on an underlying
    removal order that is raised during a prosecution for illegal reentry—
    regardless of whether that collateral attack raises a jurisdictional flaw.
    See Palomar-Santiago, 141 S. Ct. at 1620 (holding that the statute
    “provides that defendants charged with unlawful reentry ‘may not’
    challenge their underlying removal orders ‘unless’ they ‘demonstrat[e]’
    that three conditions are met” (alteration in original) (quoting 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    (d))). Accordingly, I believe a remand for consideration of the
    § 1326(d) factors would be necessary even if the majority were holding
    that defects in the notice to appear deprived the immigration court of
    jurisdiction over Bastide-Hernandez’s original removal proceeding. An
    absence of jurisdiction in the underlying removal proceeding would, at
    most, satisfy the § 1326(d)(3) requirement of fundamental unfairness—
    the requirements of § 1326(d)(1) (exhaustion of available administrative
    remedies) and § 1326(d)(2) (lack of opportunity for judicial review)
    would still need to be satisfied for a collateral attack to succeed. And
    although the majority rejects Bastide-Hernandez’s theory that defects in
    the notice to appear deprived the immigration court of jurisdiction,
    Bastide-Hernandez is not precluded from prevailing on remand by
    arguing that those defects are claim-processing violations (or, for that
    matter, by raising other challenges to his original removal proceeding,
    provided those challenges are not waived)—as long as he can meet the
    requirements of § 1326(d). Because the district court made no factual
    findings as to when Bastide-Hernandez learned of his hearing, whether
    and how he participated in the hearing, what transpired during the
    hearing, or whether he knowingly waived his right to appeal, we cannot
    conduct the § 1326(d) analysis on the record before us.
    18       UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ
    arguments for the contrary position. The Supreme Court
    may therefore hold that jurisdiction vests over removal
    proceedings only upon service of a single, statutorily
    compliant NTA. To minimize disruption to immigration
    proceedings if the Supreme Court so holds, and because
    providing the required information at the outset is a better
    practice in any event, I urge the Government not to interpret
    the majority opinion as a license for complacency.
    In 1996, Congress made sweeping changes to the
    Immigration and Nationality Act (“INA”) in a law called the
    Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility
    Act (“IIRIRA”). See Pub. L. 104-208, div. C, 
    110 Stat. 3009
    -546 (1996). Bastide-Hernandez makes a strong
    argument that a transitional provision in IIRIRA shows that
    Congress intended service of the NTA, as defined in IIRIRA,
    to be a jurisdictional requirement.
    Among IIRIRA’s many changes was a modification to
    how notice of charges of removability must be given to
    noncitizens. Prior to IIRIRA, the charging document used
    to begin removal proceedings was called an “order to show
    cause.” 8 U.S.C. § 1252b(a)(1) (1994); see Niz-Chavez v.
    Garland, 
    141 S. Ct. 1474
    , 1484 (2021). IIRIRA dispensed
    with the order to show cause and defined a new charging
    document, called a “notice to appear,” in a newly enacted
    section 239 of the INA entitled “Initiation of removal
    proceedings.” IIRIRA sec. 304, § 239, 110 Stat. at 3009-587
    to -589. As codified, that section provides in relevant part:
    In removal proceedings under section 1229a
    of this title, written notice (in this section
    referred to as a “notice to appear”) shall be
    given in person to the alien (or, if personal
    service is not practicable, through service by
    mail to the alien or to the alien’s counsel of
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ                          19
    record, if any) specifying the following: . . .
    The time and place at which the proceedings
    will be held.
    
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    (a)(1), (a)(1)(G)(i). 2
    To guide the transition to IIRIRA, Congress included a
    provision explaining how the law would affect noncitizens
    already in exclusion or deportation proceedings. See IIRIRA
    sec. 309, 110 Stat. at 3009-625 to -627. In general, Congress
    instructed that IIRIRA’s new provisions would not apply to
    cases already in progress, either at the agency level or on
    judicial review. Id. sec. 309(c)(1), 110 Stat. at 3009-625.
    But for certain in-progress proceedings in which an
    evidentiary hearing had not yet been held by the time IIRIRA
    went into effect, Congress gave the Attorney General
    discretion to proceed under the post-IIRIRA framework. Id.
    sec. 309(c)(2), 110 Stat. at 3009-626. If the Attorney
    General chose to invoke the new framework, Congress
    specified that “the notice of hearing provided to the alien
    under section 235 or 242(a) of [the INA] shall be valid as if
    provided under section 239 of [the INA] (as amended by this
    subtitle) to confer jurisdiction on the immigration judge.”
    IIRIRA sec. 309(c)(2), 110 Stat. at 3009-626 (emphasis
    added). As discussed, section 239 of the INA is the
    provision that defines the NTA, codified at 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    .
    Although § 1229 does not itself use the word “jurisdiction,”
    the transition statute’s use of the word in reference to the
    notice requirements of § 1229 suggests that Congress
    understood the NTA to have jurisdictional significance.
    2
    Section 1229a provides that “[a]n immigration judge shall conduct
    proceedings for deciding the inadmissibility or deportability of an alien.”
    8 U.S.C. § 1229a(1).
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    As Bastide-Hernandez also argues, Congress’s reference
    to “jurisdiction” is consistent with the Executive Branch’s
    apparent understanding, both before and after IIRIRA, that a
    charging document is a prerequisite to the vesting of
    jurisdiction in the immigration court. After IIRIRA, the
    Attorney General announced plans to replace the “Order to
    Show Cause, Form I-221” with the “Notice to Appear, Form
    I-862” as the charging document used to initiate removal
    proceedings. Inspection and Expedited Removal of Aliens;
    Detention and Removal of Aliens; Conduct of Removal
    Proceedings; Asylum Procedures, 
    62 Fed. Reg. 444
    , 449
    (proposed January 3, 1997). In the same proposed
    rulemaking, the Attorney General reaffirmed a longstanding
    rule that “[j]urisdiction vests, and proceedings before an
    Immigration Judge commence, when a charging document
    is filed with the Immigration Court by the Service.” 62 Fed.
    Reg. at 456 (to be codified at 
    8 C.F.R. § 3.14
    ). 3 That
    language has since remained unchanged in a regulation
    entitled “Jurisdiction and commencement of proceedings,”
    now codified at 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.14
    . The use of “and” in
    both the text and title of the regulation suggests that the
    Attorney General has understood the word “jurisdiction” to
    3
    The regulations first used a version of this language in 1985.
    Aliens and Nationality; Rules of Procedure for Proceedings Before
    Immigration Judges, 
    50 Fed. Reg. 51,693
    , 51,697 (Dec. 19, 1985)
    (proposed rule) (“Jurisdiction vests and proceedings before an
    Immigration Judge commence when a charging document is filed with
    the Office of the Immigration Judge.”). In 1987, in response to criticism
    that the wording was “not detailed enough to cover all situations,” the
    Attorney General expressed that the rule was “a simple, direct statement
    of jurisdiction” but added an exception to exclude bond proceedings.
    Aliens and Nationality; Rules of Procedure for Proceedings Before
    Immigration Judges, 
    52 Fed. Reg. 2931
    , 2932, 2937 (Jan. 29, 1987)
    (final rule). In these regulations, “the Service” refers to the Immigration
    and Naturalization Service, the predecessor of the Department of
    Homeland Security.
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ                21
    do work beyond indicating when proceedings commence—
    that is, beyond the work of a claim-processing rule that
    “promote[s] the orderly progress of litigation by requiring
    that the parties take certain procedural steps at certain
    specified times,” Henderson ex rel. Henderson v. Shinseki,
    
    562 U.S. 428
    , 435 (2011). That understanding of the
    regulation would be consistent with Congress’s suggestion
    in IIRIRA that an NTA is what confers jurisdiction on the
    immigration court. See IIRIRA sec. 309(c)(2), 110 Stat.
    at 3009-626.
    If service of an NTA under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
     is a
    jurisdictional requirement, then the Supreme Court’s
    decisions in Pereira v. Sessions, 
    138 S. Ct. 2105
     (2018), and
    Niz-Chavez v. Garland, 
    141 S. Ct. 1474
     (2021), would seem
    to compel the conclusion that a notice lacking the time or
    place of proceedings is inadequate to vest jurisdiction. The
    Supreme Court held in Pereira that “[a] notice that does not
    inform a noncitizen when and where to appear for removal
    proceedings is not a ‘notice to appear under section
    1229(a),’” 
    138 S. Ct. at 2110
     (quoting 8 U.S.C.
    § 1229b(d)(1)), and clarified in Niz-Chavez that an NTA
    must be a single document containing all statutorily required
    information to trigger the stop-time rule for cancellation of
    removal, 141 S. Ct. at 1486. Given that the Supreme Court
    has on two occasions strictly enforced the statutory NTA
    requirements, and given that there is evidence that Congress
    intended an NTA to be necessary for jurisdiction over
    removal proceedings, the Supreme Court may eventually
    disagree with our court’s holding today. To minimize the
    disruption that would follow from a holding that jurisdiction
    is lacking in proceedings that did not begin with a statutorily
    compliant NTA, I urge the Government to ensure that, going
    forward, all NTAs contain the information required by
    statute.
    22        UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ
    Even aside from minimizing potential disruption, there
    are good reasons for the Government to ensure that all
    putative NTAs contain the time and place of removal
    proceedings. The Supreme Court has observed that
    “[c]onveying such time-and-place information to a
    noncitizen is an essential function of a notice to appear, for
    without it, the Government cannot reasonably expect the
    noncitizen to appear for his removal proceedings.” Pereira,
    
    138 S. Ct. at 2115
    . If the Government does not provide this
    information at the outset, noncitizens may be deprived of a
    meaningful opportunity to prepare for their hearings. For
    instance, the Government “could serve a document labeled
    ‘notice to appear’ without listing the time and location of the
    hearing and then, years down the line, provide that
    information a day before the removal hearing.” 
    Id.
    An amicus brief filed by former immigration judges
    elaborates on why it better serves clarity, efficiency, and due
    process to include the time and location of the hearing in an
    NTA in the first instance. As amici explain, incomplete
    initial notice documents create uncertainty both for
    noncitizens, who are left in the dark as to when and where a
    potentially life-changing proceeding will be held, and for
    immigration judges, who cannot be sure if a case can
    proceed. Amici also note that the Government’s notice-by-
    installment practice creates additional fact-finding
    obligations for immigration judges, who may need to look to
    multiple documents to determine whether informational
    gaps in the initial notice have been filled. And amici caution
    that, because immigration judges are already overburdened
    and face pressure to complete cases, ambiguities about
    notice may lead immigration judges to order noncitizens
    removed when they fail to show up at their hearings, even if
    the noncitizens never received notice of those hearings at all.
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ                23
    In recent years, the Government has failed to comply
    with the time-and-place requirements of 
    8 U.S.C. § 1229
    (a)(1)(G)(i). See Pereira, 
    138 S. Ct. at 2111
     (quoting
    the Government’s statement during oral argument in 2018
    that “almost 100 percent” of “notices to appear omit the time
    and date of the proceeding over the last three years”). At
    oral argument before our court, the Government admitted
    that, despite progress in this area, some NTAs will continue
    to have a placeholder reading “to be determined” or “to be
    set” instead of the time and date of the hearing. This
    admission shows that, more than a year after the Supreme
    Court’s warning in Niz-Chavez, the Government still is not
    “turn[ing] square corners” when it issues NTAs. 141 S. Ct.
    at 1486. I urge the Government to redouble its efforts to
    comply with the statute—and to take seriously the possibility
    that statutory noncompliance might have jurisdictional
    consequences.
    COLLINS, Circuit Judge, concurring in part and dissenting
    in part:
    I concur in the majority opinion in all respects except for
    footnote 10, which remands “for the district court to
    reconsider its § 1326(d) analysis” in light of United States v.
    Palomar-Santiago, 
    141 S. Ct. 1615
     (2021). For three
    reasons, I see no basis for us to order the district court to
    undertake the further § 1326(d) analysis that is sketched in
    that footnote.
    First, having properly reversed the district court’s
    dismissal of the indictment, which did not rest on an
    application of § 1326(d), there is no need for us to specify
    what particular issues should or should not be considered as
    the case proceeds on remand. With the indictment thus
    24        UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ
    reinstated, the case will proceed in the ordinary course, and
    the parties on remand may raise whatever issues they think
    are appropriate. There simply is no need for us to instruct
    the district court to consider any particular issue.
    Second, in addition to being unnecessary, the majority’s
    instructions to reconsider the § 1326(d) issue violate the
    party presentation principle, under which “courts normally
    decide only questions presented by the parties.” See United
    States v. Sineneng-Smith, 
    140 S. Ct. 1575
    , 1579 (2020)
    (simplified); see also 
    id.
     (“[A]s a general rule, our system is
    designed around the premise that parties represented by
    competent counsel know what is best for them, and are
    responsible for advancing the facts and argument entitling
    them to relief.”) (simplified). The majority contravenes this
    principle by instructing the district court on remand to
    consider contentions that Bastide-Hernandez has never
    made and, indeed, has explicitly disavowed.
    As reflected in his answering brief, Bastide-Hernandez’s
    position throughout this appeal has been that, if the
    immigration court lacked subject matter jurisdiction when
    his initial removal order was issued in 2006, then he “did not
    need to satisfy § 1326(d)’s requirements because the
    underlying removal order supporting the charge was issued
    ultra vires” (emphasis added). Similarly, when asked to file
    a supplemental brief in this court specifically addressing the
    impact of Palomar-Santiago, Bastide-Hernandez reiterated
    that the decision did not affect his jurisdictional objections,
    “which can never be waived or forfeited,” and that the
    decision therefore “has no bearing or impact on this appeal
    whatsoever.” Notably, in that brief, Bastide-Hernandez
    alluded to a different potential ground for challenging his
    2006 removal order under § 1326(d)—viz., whether his
    appeal waiver at his 2006 hearing was knowingly and
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ               25
    intelligently made—but he noted that the “question of the
    validity of his appeal waiver was not raised in the district
    court” and therefore was not at issue in this appeal.
    In short, Bastide-Hernandez has never contended in this
    court that, if the immigration court had subject matter
    jurisdiction, he nonetheless could satisfy the requirements
    for asserting a collateral challenge under § 1326(d) based on
    non-jurisdictional defects in the underlying Notice to Appear
    (“NTA”). Nonetheless, the majority inexplicably remands
    with instructions to consider whether those non-
    jurisdictional defects in the NTA could give rise to a
    challenge under § 1326(d) or whether Bastide-Hernandez
    “forfeited his claim-processing rights” concerning such
    defects. See Opin. at 16 n.10.
    The majority’s remand instructions are all the more
    puzzling given the explicit position that Bastide-
    Hernandez’s counsel took when asked about § 1326(d) at
    oral argument. Counsel affirmatively stated that no
    § 1326(d) inquiry on remand was warranted if we were to
    reject his argument that the NTA’s defects deprived the
    immigration court of subject matter jurisdiction.
    Specifically, when asked whether, if Bastide-Hernandez
    were to lose on the jurisdictional issue, “there’s no remand
    for § 1326(d),” counsel responded as follows:
    Counsel: “That’s correct. That is my
    position. If you say that I do not win on the
    jurisdiction issue, remand for § 1326(d) is not
    necessary. Again, because you have already
    held that I lose on my substantive argument.”
    Oral Argument at 56:39, United States v. Bastide-
    Hernandez, available at .     Instead, as counsel
    26         UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ
    explained, a remand to consider the § 1326(d) factors was
    necessary only if he prevailed on his jurisdictional argument:
    Counsel: “[I]f we lose on the merits it
    doesn’t matter whether we exhausted our
    remedies.[ 1] It doesn’t matter if we satisfied
    § 1326(d) if we can’t satisfy the substance of
    the argument.”
    ...
    Counsel: “I think if you say I lose on [the]
    substance, we go back to the district court. If
    I win on [the] substance, but Palomar-
    Santiago applies we still should go back to
    the district court to address § 1326(d).”
    Id. at 55:38, 57:42 (emphasis added).
    In nonetheless claiming that Bastide-Hernandez’s
    counsel was unclear on this score, the majority relies on a
    quotation that it improperly takes out of context, thereby
    distorting the meaning of what counsel said. See Opin. at 16
    n.10. Counsel’s full statement was:
    Counsel: “Palomar-Santiago and [§] 1326(d)
    do not provide a barrier to relief when you’re
    challenging subject matter jurisdiction and
    authority of an immigration court, but at
    worst, this panel must remand to the district
    court because Mr. Bastide-Hernandez was
    1
    As the majority notes, see Opin. at 7 n.2, exhaustion of
    administrative remedies is one of the three factors enumerated in
    § 1326(d).
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ                27
    not given an opportunity to present evidence
    regarding [§] 1326(d) because that was not at
    issue before the district court because the
    district court excused him from proving that.”
    Oral Argument at 30:07 (emphasis added). In context, it is
    clear that counsel was addressing the impact of Palomar-
    Santiago on the district court’s holding that a jurisdictional
    challenge was excused from satisfying the requirements of
    § 1326(d). Counsel’s argument was that if we agree with his
    contention that the defects in the NTA deprived the
    immigration court of jurisdiction, then either (1) Palomar-
    Santiago and § 1326(d) would “not provide a barrier to
    relief” because the district court properly excused
    compliance with § 1326(d); or (2) “at worst,” Palomar-
    Santiago would require remand for application of § 1326(d).
    Counsel’s point is exactly the same as what he later stated at
    argument, as quoted above: “If I win on [the] substance, but
    Palomar-Santiago applies we still should go back to the
    district court to address § 1326(d).” Oral Argument at 57:42
    (emphasis added). At no point did Bastide-Hernandez or his
    counsel claim—either in his briefs or at oral argument—that
    remand for application of § 1326(d) would be warranted if
    he lost his jurisdictional argument.
    Thus, Bastide-Hernandez himself has expressly
    disclaimed the need for any further § 1326(d) analysis if we
    rule against him on the jurisdictional issue. We have now
    ruled against him on that jurisdictional issue—correctly, in
    my view. Although Bastide-Hernandez has not asked us in
    that circumstance to require a reconsideration of the
    § 1326(d) factors on remand, and has instead affirmatively
    stated that such an analysis is unwarranted, the majority
    nonetheless instructs the district court to go ahead and
    reconsider the very issue that Bastide-Hernandez has
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    consciously and affirmatively waived. That is improper.
    See Sineneng-Smith, 140 S. Ct. at 1579. 2
    Third, the particular issues that the majority conjures up
    for remand are both irrelevant and meritless.
    Having correctly recast the NTA’s defects as violations
    of claim-processing rules, the majority sua sponte instructs
    the district court to conduct a new § 1326(d) analysis that
    addresses two specific issues: (1) whether Bastide-
    Hernandez “forfeited his claim-processing rights”; and
    (2) whether any such forfeiture “is affected by whether he
    received a notice of hearing.” See Opin. at 16 n.10. But as
    applied to this case, the majority’s two issues concerning
    forfeiture of claims-processing objections are simply
    irrelevant, because those non-jurisdictional objections (even
    if preserved) could not possibly contribute to making the
    three-prong showing that § 1326(d) requires, as construed in
    Palomar-Santiago. Given that Bastide-Hernandez did
    appear at his immigration court hearing (despite the NTA’s
    failure to include date and time information), there is no
    plausible sense in which those NTA’s date-and-time defects
    could be said to have: (1) rendered an appeal to the BIA
    unavailable, see 
    8 U.S.C. § 1326
    (d)(1) (requiring exhaustion
    only of “available” administrative remedies); cf. Palomar-
    Santiago, 141 S. Ct. at 1621; (2) “deprived” him “of the
    opportunity of judicial review,” id. § 1326(d)(2); and
    (3) prejudiced him, much less rendered his proceedings
    “fundamentally unfair,” id. § 1326(d)(3); see also United
    2
    In defending its remand, the majority ignores every point made in
    this dissent other than this review of counsel’s comments at oral
    argument. See Opin. at 16 n.10. But even if the majority were correct
    about counsel’s comments, it does not address the multiple other reasons
    why we should not give specific instructions to reconsider the § 1326(d)
    issue on remand.
    UNITED STATES V. BASTIDE-HERNANDEZ               29
    States v. Barajas-Alvarado, 
    655 F.3d 1077
    , 1085 (9th Cir.
    2011) (explaining that § 1326(d)(3) can be satisfied by
    showing that “the deportation proceeding violated the alien’s
    due process rights and the alien suffered prejudice as a
    result”).
    Moreover, the majority’s two forfeiture issues both lack
    any plausible merit. Bastide-Hernandez plainly forfeited
    any objection to the NTA’s non-jurisdictional defects by
    failing to show that he raised any such objection either
    during his 2006 immigration proceedings or in the multiple
    subsequent removal proceedings that were based on the 2006
    removal order (including at least one in which he was
    represented by counsel). See, e.g., Manrique v. United
    States, 
    137 S. Ct. 1266
    , 1272 (2017) (“Unlike jurisdictional
    rules, mandatory claim-processing rules may be forfeited if
    the party asserting the rule waits too long to raise the
    point.”). And whether Bastide-Hernandez received a written
    notice of hearing announcing the date and time of his 2006
    removal hearing has no bearing on whether he did or did not
    forfeit his non-jurisdictional objections to the NTA at that
    hearing.
    I am at a loss to understand why the majority, after
    correctly resolving the main issue on appeal, sees fit to
    remand with instructions to consider irrelevant and meritless
    questions concerning an issue that Bastide-Hernandez not
    only has declined to raise, but has affirmatively forsworn.
    Accordingly, I respectively dissent from footnote 10, but I
    otherwise concur in the majority opinion.