Susan McShannock v. Jp Morgan Chase Bank ( 2020 )


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  •                  FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    SUSAN MCSHANNOCK, as Executrix             No. 19-15899
    of the Estate of Patricia Blaskower,
    on behalf of the Estate of Patricia           D.C. No.
    Blaskower and all others similarly         3:18-cv-01873-
    situated; MONICA CHANDLER, as                   EMC
    Trustee of the Chandler Family
    Trust, and all others similarly
    situated; MOHAMED MEKY, and all              OPINION
    others similarly situated,
    Plaintiffs-Appellees,
    v.
    JP MORGAN CHASE BANK NA, doing
    business as Chase Bank,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of California
    Edward M. Chen, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted May 13, 2020
    San Francisco, California
    Filed September 22, 2020
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    Before: J. Clifford Wallace and Ryan D. Nelson, Circuit
    Judges, and James S. Gwin, * District Judge.
    Opinion by Judge R. Nelson;
    Dissent by Judge Gwin
    SUMMARY **
    Home Owners’ Loan Act / Preemption
    The panel reversed the district court’s order denying JP
    Morgan Chase Bank N.A.’s motion to dismiss, and held that
    California’s law requiring the payment of interest on escrow
    accounts was preempted by the Home Owners’ Loan Act of
    1933 (“HOLA”), and its implementing regulations.
    Plaintiffs obtained residential home mortgages from
    Washington Mutual Bank, FA, a federal savings association
    organized and regulated under HOLA. Chase Bank, a
    national bank organized and regulated under the National
    Bank Act, assumed all of Washington Mutual’s mortgage
    servicing rights and obligations. Through HOLA, Congress
    vested the Office of Thrift Supervision (“OTS”) with broad
    authority to shape the regulatory environment for federal
    savings associations.
    *
    The Honorable James S. Gwin, United States District Judge for the
    Northern District of Ohio, sitting by designation.
    **
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It
    has been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    The panel held that HOLA field preemption principles
    applied to plaintiffs’ claims against Chase, a national bank,
    even though its conduct giving rise to the complaint occurred
    after it acquired the loans in question from Washington
    Mutual, a federal savings association. Because California’s
    interest-on-escrow law imposed a requirement regarding
    escrow accounts; affected the terms of sale, purchase,
    investment in, and participation in loans originated by
    savings associations; and had more than an incidental effect
    on the lending operations of savings associations, the panel
    held that it was preempted by 12 C.F.R. § § 560.2(b)(6) and
    (b)(10), and 560.2(c) of the OTS regulation governing this
    case.
    District Judge Gwin dissented because the majority
    opinion reached a conclusion not supported by the statute’s
    and regulation’s text, and because California was not
    otherwise preempted from requiring banks to pay nominal
    interest on escrow account balances.
    COUNSEL
    Alan E. Schoenfeld (argued), Noah A. Levine, and
    Alexandra Hiatt, Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr
    LLP, New York, New York; David C. Powell and Alexander
    J. Gershen, McGuire Woods LLP, San Francisco, California;
    Brian D. Schmalzbach, McGuire Woods LLP, Richmond,
    Virginia; Nellie E. Hestin, McGuire Woods LLP, Pittsburgh,
    Pennsylvania; for Defendant-Appellant.
    Glenn A. Danas (argued), Robins Kaplan LLP, Los Angeles,
    California; Michael F. Ram and Marie Appel, Robins
    Kaplan LLP, Mountain View, California; Michael J. Pacelli,
    Robins Kaplan LLP, Minneapolis, Minnesota; Samuel J.
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    Strauss, Turke & Strauss LLP, Madison, Wisconsin; Harold
    Jaffe, Dublin, California; for Plaintiffs-Appellees.
    H. Rodgin Cohen, Matthew A. Schwartz, Corey Omer, and
    Y. Carson Zhou, Sullivan & Cromwell LLP, New York,
    New York; Gregg L. Rozansky, The Bank Policy Institute,
    Washington, D.C.; Thomas Pinder, The American Bankers
    Association, Washington, D.C.; Steven P. Lehotsky and
    Janet Galeria, U.S. Chamber Litigation Center, Washington,
    D.C.; for Amici Curiae The Bank Policy Institute, The
    American Bankers Association, and Chamber of Commerce
    of the United States of America.
    Scott L. Nelson and Allison M. Zieve, Public Citizen
    Litigation Group, Washington, D.C., for Amicus Curiae
    Public Citizen Litigation Group.
    Xavier Becerra, Attorney General; Nicklas A. Akers, Senior
    Assistant Attorney General; Michele Van Gelderen,
    Supervising Deputy Attorney General; Rachel A. Foodman,
    Deputy Attorney General; Office of the Attorney General,
    San Francisco, California; for Amicus Curiae State of
    California.
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    OPINION
    R. NELSON, Circuit Judge:
    This case requires us to decide whether mortgagors are
    entitled, under California law, to interest on escrow accounts
    for mortgages that were issued by a savings association and
    later assigned to a national bank. We hold that California’s
    law requiring the payment of interest on escrow accounts is
    preempted by the Home Owners’ Loan Act of 1933
    (“HOLA”), 
    12 U.S.C. § 1461
     et seq., and its implementing
    regulations, even where the mortgage is assigned from a
    savings association to a national bank.
    I
    Between 2005 and 2007, the Chandler Family Trust, 1
    Mohamed Meky, and Patricia Blaskower 2 (collectively,
    “Appellees”) obtained residential home mortgages from
    Washington Mutual Bank, FA (“WaMu”). Appellees,
    whose homes were located in California, would normally
    have been entitled to “at least 2 percent simple interest per
    annum” on any funds held in escrow under California Civil
    Code Section 2954.8 (hereinafter, “California’s interest-on-
    escrow law”). But WaMu, a federal savings association
    organized and regulated under HOLA, was not required to
    pay Appellees interest because HOLA and its implementing
    1
    Monica Chandler is the trustee of the Chandler Family Trust and
    one of the named plaintiffs in this case.
    2
    Susan McShannock, the lead named plaintiff in this case, is the
    executrix of the Estate of Patricia Blaskower.
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    regulations preempted California law. 3 Thus, Appellees did
    not receive interest on their escrow accounts while WaMu
    held the loans.
    WaMu failed during the 2008 financial crisis and was
    placed in the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation’s
    (“FDIC”) receivership. The FDIC sought buyers for
    WaMu’s assets, eventually coming to terms with Appellant
    JP Morgan Chase Bank NA (“Chase”). Under the terms of
    the agreement, Chase assumed “all mortgage servicing rights
    and obligations” of WaMu. Unlike WaMu, which was
    organized and regulated under HOLA, Chase is a national
    bank organized and regulated under the National Bank Act
    (“NBA”), 
    12 U.S.C. § 38
    , et seq.
    3
    The parties cite 
    12 C.F.R. § 560
     and its subsections throughout
    their briefs. After the parties filed their Opening and Answering briefs,
    a rule promulgated by the Department of the Treasury took effect
    removing all regulations promulgated by the now-defunct Office of
    Thrift Supervision (“OTS”) from the Code of Federal Regulations. See
    Removal of Office of Thrift Supervision Regulations, 
    82 Fed. Reg. 47083
    -02 (Oct. 11, 2018). The Treasury Department’s rule, pursuant to
    Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
    (hereinafter, the “Dodd-Frank Act”), recognized that section 560’s field
    preemption scheme had been replaced by rules promulgated by the
    Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (“OCC”). 
    Id.
     The current
    regulation provides that, “[s]tate law applies to the lending activities of
    Federal savings associations and their subsidiaries to the same extent and
    in the same manner that those laws apply to national banks and their
    subsidiaries.” 
    12 C.F.R. § 160.2
    . The parties agree, however, that
    section 560 provides the rule of decision for this case because it was the
    operative rule at the time Appellees obtained their mortgages. See
    
    12 U.S.C. § 5553
     (provision of the Dodd-Frank Act mandating that the
    Act “shall not be construed to alter or affect the applicability of any
    regulation . . . [issued] by . . . the Director of the Office of Thrift
    Supervision . . . on or before July 21, 2010.”).
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    We recently held in Lusnak v. Bank of America, N.A.,
    
    883 F.3d 1185
    , 1188 (9th Cir. 2018), cert. denied, 
    139 S. Ct. 567
     (2018), that the NBA does not preempt California’s
    interest-on-escrow law. Appellees filed a consolidated class
    action complaint against Chase shortly after our decision in
    Lusnak was issued, seeking to represent a class of:
    [a]ll mortgage loan customers of Chase (or its
    subsidiaries), whose mortgage loan is for a
    one-to-four family residence located in
    California, and who paid Chase money in
    advance for payment of taxes and
    assessments on the property, for insurance, or
    for other purposes relating to the property,
    and to whom Chase failed to pay interest as
    required by 
    Cal. Civ. Code § 2954.8
    (a).
    Chase then moved to dismiss the complaint under
    Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6). Chase argued that
    because Appellees’ mortgages were initially issued by
    WaMu—a federal savings association organized and
    regulated under HOLA—Chase was not required to pay
    Appellees interest even though Chase is a national bank
    organized and regulated under the NBA. The district court
    denied the motion. The district court held that although the
    mortgages were issued by WaMu, HOLA preemption no
    longer applied because the Appellee’s complaint sought
    redress only for Chase’s nonpayment of escrow interest after
    it acquired WaMu’s assets.
    Chase requested interlocutory appeal of the district
    court’s denial of its motion to dismiss. The district court
    granted the request, and we granted Chase’s permission to
    proceed with the interlocutory appeal. We have jurisdiction
    under 
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b), and we reverse.
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    II
    We review de novo a district court’s denial of a motion
    to dismiss for failure to state a claim under Rule 12(b)(6).
    See Reese v. BP Exploration (Alaska) Inc., 
    643 F.3d 681
    ,
    690 (9th Cir. 2011) (citation omitted). All allegations of
    material fact are taken as true and construed in the light most
    favorable to the nonmoving party. 
    Id.
     (citation omitted). A
    district court may dismiss a complaint only if it fails to state
    “enough facts to state a claim to relief that is plausible on its
    face.” Bell Atl. Corp. v. Twombly, 
    550 U.S. 544
    , 570 (2007).
    “Questions of statutory interpretation are reviewed de novo
    . . . as are questions of preemption.” Lopez v. Wash. Mut.
    Bank, 
    302 F.3d 900
    , 903 (9th Cir. 2002) (internal citation
    omitted).
    III
    A
    Through HOLA, Congress vested the OTS 4 with “broad
    authority” to shape the regulatory environment for federal
    savings associations. Silvas v. E*Trade Mortg. Corp.,
    
    514 F.3d 1001
    , 1004–05 (9th Cir. 2008). Consistent with
    congressional intent, the OTS decided in 1996 to “occup[y]
    4
    Regulatory responsibility for HOLA has changed hands twice
    since the statute was adopted in 1933. First, responsibility passed from
    the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (“FHLBB”) to the OTS in 1989.
    See Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of
    1989, Pub. L. No. 101–73, § 201, 
    103 Stat. 183
    , 201. Responsibility then
    passed from the OTS to the OCC in 2011. See Dodd-Frank Act, Pub. L.
    No. 111–203, § 312, 
    124 Stat. 1376
     (2010). Our analysis is limited to
    the regulatory decisions of the OTS and, to the extent they remained in
    force, the FHLBB.
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    the entire field of lending regulation for federal savings
    associations.” 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    . In doing so, the OTS:
    intend[ed] to give federal savings
    associations maximum flexibility to exercise
    their lending powers in accordance with a
    uniform federal scheme of regulation.
    Accordingly, federal savings associations
    may extend credit as authorized under federal
    law . . . without regard to state laws
    purporting to regulate or otherwise affect
    their credit activities.
    
    Id.
    The specific question before us is whether HOLA
    preempts California’s interest-on-escrow law for loans
    issued by WaMu between 2005 and 2007 that were later
    assigned to Chase. 5 We have observed that “[w]hether, and
    to what extent, HOLA applies to claims against a national
    bank when that bank has acquired a loan executed by a
    federal savings association is an open question” in our court.
    Campidoglio LLC v. Wells Fargo & Co., 
    870 F.3d 963
    , 970–
    71 (9th Cir. 2017). We resolve that question in this appeal.
    Federal district courts that have addressed the question
    have taken three different positions: (1) HOLA preemption
    5
    Chase also argues that the plain terms of the parties’ mortgage
    agreement preclude Appellees from collecting interest on their escrow
    accounts. Because we conclude California’s interest-on-escrow law is
    preempted by HOLA, we do not need to reach that question. We also do
    not decide what, if any, relevancy the “valid-when-made” doctrine has
    in deciding this case. Professor Adam Levitin offers to “gladly withdraw
    his motion [to file a late amicus brief] and tentatively filed brief,”
    addressing this issue, and we therefore deny his motion as moot.
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    applies to all conduct connected to a loan originating with a
    federal savings association; (2) HOLA preemption
    necessarily does not apply to national banks; and (3) whether
    HOLA preemption applies depends on whether the claims
    arise from the conduct of the federal savings association or
    of the national bank. See, e.g., Kenery v. Wells Fargo Bank,
    N.A., No. 5:13-CV-02411-EJD, 
    2014 WL 129262
    , at *4
    (N.D. Cal. Jan. 14, 2014). The district court adopted the
    third approach, and Chase asks us to adopt the first approach.
    To resolve this dispute, we begin with the text of HOLA,
    its amendments, and the regulations implemented pursuant
    to HOLA. Appellees point out that OTS’s regulations
    “occup[y] the entire field of lending regulation for federal
    savings associations.” 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (a). Focusing on
    this language, Appellees assert that HOLA preemption does
    not apply to the complaint in this case, which exclusively
    implicates the conduct of Chase, a national bank. We
    disagree.
    The OTS’s preemption regulation is not so limited in
    scope to cover only the conduct of a federal savings
    association. Section 560.2(a) provides that “OTS is
    authorized to promulgate regulations that preempt state laws
    affecting the operations of federal savings associations when
    deemed appropriate . . . .” 
    Id.
     (emphasis added). 6 Section
    6
    We agree section 560.2(a) “only preempts a state law when the
    state law affects federal savings association operations.” Dissent at 34
    (emphasis in original). We diverge with the dissent, however, in its
    unnecessarily narrow interpretation of what affects operations. As we
    note below, see infra Section III(C), failure to preempt state law
    burdening the sale of these mortgages inevitably would directly affect
    federal savings associations operations.        We also agree “[t]he
    regulation’s preemption language limited preemption to lending
    regulation and to federal savings associations.” Dissent at 35. But we
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    560.2(a) also states that the “OTS intends to give federal
    savings associations maximum flexibility to exercise their
    lending powers in accordance with a uniform federal scheme
    of regulation.” 
    Id.
     (emphasis added). Applying the plain
    meaning of the OTS’s preemption regulation, we hold that
    field preemption principles extend to all state laws affecting
    a federal savings association, without reference to whether
    the conduct giving rise to a state law claim is that of a federal
    savings association or of a national bank.
    In addition, in 1982, the FHLBB, the precursor to the
    OTS, implemented a regulation preempting “any state law
    purporting to address the subject of a Federal association’s
    ability or right to . . . sell” mortgages or “directly or
    indirectly to restrict such ability or right.” 
    12 C.F.R. § 545.6
    (a)(2) (emphasis added).           When the OTS
    promulgated its own field preemption regulation, OTS
    “confirm[ed] and carr[ied] forward its existing preemption
    position,” OTS Final Rule, 
    61 Fed. Reg. 50,951
    , 50,965
    (Sept. 30, 1996), and “restate[d] long-standing preemption
    principles applicable to federal savings associations, as
    reflected in earlier regulations, court cases, and numerous
    opinions issued by OTS and the [FHLBB],” 
    id. at 50,952
    .
    We defer to the FHBLBB and the OTS’s “broad
    authority to issue regulations governing thrifts.” Silvas,
    
    514 F.3d at 1005
    . Significantly, those regulations have “no
    less preemptive effect than federal statutes.” 
    Id.
     Thus, the
    do not reach our conclusion today because of any impact California’s
    law has on national banks. Instead, our holding is based solely on the
    effect California’s law has had and will have on financial savings
    associations and the mortgages they have acquired and may sell.
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    text of HOLA and the OTS regulations support applying
    field preemption here.
    The district court correctly observed that “at the time
    HOLA was enacted in 1933, nothing in its text or legislative
    history expressly indicated Congress expected that federal
    savings associations would sell their residential mortgage
    loans on a secondary market to entities not governed by
    HOLA, much less intended for HOLA preemption to attach
    to any such loans.” But although there is nothing in the text
    or the legislative history of HOLA that references the
    transfer of loans from a federal savings association in a
    secondary market, the district court erred by discounting the
    subsequent amendments to HOLA and the OTS’s
    regulations. 7 Indeed, the United States Supreme Court has
    rejected the narrow interpretive approach that the district
    7
    We agree “a federal agency may pre-empt state law only when and
    if it is acting within the scope of its congressionally delegated authority.”
    Dissent at 32, 33 n.15 (quoting La. Pub. Serv. Comm’n v. FCC, 
    476 U.S. 355
    , 374 (1986)). But we see no delegation issue here. HOLA, as
    amended in 1989, delegated authority to OTS to “provide for the
    examination, safe and sound operation, and regulation of savings
    associations” and to “issue such regulations as [OTS] determines to be
    appropriate[.]” 
    12 U.S.C. §§ 1463
    (a)(1)–(2) (1989), amended by
    
    12 U.S.C. § 1463
     (2010). More specifically, OTS was to “exercise all
    powers granted . . . so as to encourage savings associations to provide
    credit for housing safely and soundly.” 
    Id.
     § 1463(a)(3) (emphasis
    added); see also 
    12 U.S.C. § 1464
    (a) ( “The lending and investment
    powers conferred by this section are intended to encourage such
    institutions to provide credit for housing safely and soundly.”) (emphasis
    added). As the sale and transfer of mortgages impacts the economic
    health and viability of federal savings associations, see infra Section
    III(C), failing to extend HOLA’s preemptive effect to these transfers
    would discourage savings associations to provide credit for housing.
    Thus, applying OTS regulations to the sale and transfer of pre-2011
    mortgages falls within OTS’s delegated authority, even if those
    mortgages are now held by national banks.
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    court adopted. See Fid. Fed. Sav. & Loan Ass’n v. de la
    Cuesta, 
    458 U.S. 141
    , 154 (1982) (“A pre-emptive
    regulation’s force does not depend on express congressional
    authorization to displace state law . . . . Thus, the [lower
    court’s] narrow focus on Congress’ intent to supersede state
    law was misdirected. Rather, the questions upon which
    resolution of this case rests are whether the Board meant to
    pre-empt California’s [] law, and, if so, whether that action
    is within the scope of the Board’s delegated authority.”
    (emphasis added)).
    HOLA’s subsequent amendment and the OTS
    regulations support applying field preemption here.
    Although a secondary market for mortgage loans did not
    exist at the time HOLA was adopted in 1933, Congress
    created the Federal National Mortgage Association (“Fannie
    Mae”) in 1938, thereby establishing a secondary market for
    loans. See National Housing Act Amendments of 1938, ch.
    13, 
    52 Stat. 23
    . Congress expanded the secondary market
    for loans in 1970 by creating the Federal Home Loan
    Mortgage Corporation (“Freddie Mac”). See H.R. Rep. No.
    91-1311, at 4 (1970); see also S. Rep. No. 91-761, at 1
    (1970). Finally, in 1978 Congress amended HOLA to allow
    savings associations to sell loans into the secondary market.
    See Act of Nov. 10, 1978, Pub. L. No. 95-630, § 1701, 
    92 Stat. 3641
    , 3714 (1978). Thus, there is little doubt that
    Congress intended HOLA to cover the sale of mortgages
    belonging to federal savings associations. de la Cuesta,
    
    458 U.S. at 163
    . We therefore hold that HOLA preemption
    principles extend to a situation where, as here, a loan
    originates from a federal savings association, but the state
    purports to regulate the conduct of a non-federal savings
    association, such as a national bank, over that same loan.
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    B
    We now turn to and apply the established HOLA
    preemption framework. To guide banking institutions and
    state legislatures about the contours of HOLA’s field
    preemption, the OTS established a tripartite scheme. First,
    section 560.2(a) provided that: “[t]o enhance safety and
    soundness and to enable federal savings associations to
    conduct their operations in accordance with best practices
    (by efficiently delivering low-cost credit to the public free
    from undue regulatory duplication and burden), OTS hereby
    occupies the entire field of lending regulation for federal
    savings associations.” 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (a). Second, in
    section 560.2(b), the OTS provided “[i]llustrative examples”
    of the “types of state laws preempted” by HOLA, including
    “laws purporting to impose requirements regarding,”
    “[e]scrow accounts” and the “[p]rocessing, origination,
    servicing, sale, or purchase of, or investment or participation
    in, mortgages.” 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (b), (b)(6), (b)(10).
    Finally, in the event a state law was not among the
    illustrative examples listed in section 560.2(b), OTS
    preempted any state law having more than an “incidental
    effect on the lending operations of” federal savings
    associations. 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (c)(6)(ii).
    A three-step process governs our inquiry. See Silvas,
    
    514 F.3d at 1005
    .
    The first step . . . [is] to determine whether
    the type of law in question is listed in
    paragraph [560.2](b). If so, the analysis will
    end there; the law is preempted. If the law is
    not covered by paragraph (b), the next
    question is whether the law affects lending.
    If it does, then, in accordance with paragraph
    [560.2](a), the presumption arises that the
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    law is preempted. This presumption can be
    reversed only if the law can clearly be shown
    to fit within the confines of paragraph
    [560.2](c). For these purposes, paragraph (c)
    is intended to be interpreted narrowly. Any
    doubt should be resolved in favor of
    preemption.
    
    Id.
     (quoting OTS, Final Rule, 
    61 Fed. Reg. 50,951
    , 50,966–
    67 (Sept. 30, 1996)). In applying this framework, we are
    “not limited to assessing whether the state law on its face
    comes within paragraph (b) of the regulation.”
    Campidoglio, 870 F.3d at 971–72. “Instead, we ask whether
    the state law, ‘as applied, is a type of state law contemplated
    in the list under paragraph (b) . . . . If it is, the preemption
    analysis ends.’” Id. at 972 (quoting Silvas, 
    514 F.3d at 1006
    ).
    We therefore first turn to the question whether
    California’s interest-on-escrow law is preempted by sections
    560.2(b)(6) and 560.2(b)(10). Section 560.2(b)(6) preempts
    state laws “purporting to impose requirements regarding . . .
    escrow accounts.” 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (b)(6). California’s
    interest-on-escrow law requires the payment of “at least
    2 percent simple interest per annum” on funds held in
    escrow. 
    Cal. Civ. Code § 2954.8
    (a). This is certainly a
    “requirement[] regarding . . . escrow accounts” under
    section 560.2(b)(6). Thus, California’s interest-on-escrow
    law is preempted. See Silvas, 
    514 F.3d at 1006
     (holding that
    claims for unfair advertising and unfair competition brought
    pursuant to California’s consumer protection statute were
    preempted by § 560.2(b)(9)).
    Applying section 560.2(b)(10) to California’s interest-
    on-escrow law yields the same result. Section 560.2(b)(10)
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    preempts state laws “purporting to impose requirements
    regarding . . . [the] [p]rocessing, origination, servicing, sale
    or purchase of, or investment or participation in, mortgages.”
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (b)(10). We agree with Chase that a state
    law, such as California’s interest-on-escrow law, that
    directly or indirectly imposes conditions on a federal savings
    association’s ability to convey a loan is preempted under
    HOLA. Thus, California’s interest-on-escrow law is also
    preempted by section 560.2(b)(10) because it affects the
    sale, purchase of, investment in, and participation in loans
    originated by savings associations.
    C
    We need not go further because California’s interest-on-
    escrow law is “the type of law in question in paragraph
    560.2(b).” Silvas, 
    514 F.3d at 1005
     (cleaned up). “So, the
    analysis ends there; the law is preempted.” 
    Id.
     (cleaned up).
    But section 560.2(c) preempts California’s interest-on-
    escrow law as well, because application of the law would
    have more than an “incidental effect on the lending
    operations of” savings associations.
    After Congress amended HOLA in 1978, federal savings
    associations developed a common lending cycle. A
    mortgagor, like Appellees here, applies for a mortgage at a
    savings association. The federal savings association extends
    the mortgagor funds to purchase the property, in exchange
    for future interest payments. Rather than wait to collect
    those interest payments, however, the federal savings
    association exchanges the original mortgage for a mortgage
    backed security from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. The
    federal savings association then sells this mortgage backed
    security to investors on the secondary market. Finally, the
    savings association takes the funds generated by the sale of
    the mortgage backed security and uses them to fund
    MCSHANNOCK V. JP MORGAN CHASE BANK                  17
    additional loans to new mortgagors. A simplified version of
    this process follows.
    Fannie Mae, Basics of Fannie Mae Single-Family MBS (Oct.
    2019), https://www.fanniemae.com/resources/file/mbs/pdf/
    basics-sf-mbs.pdf (last accessed Aug. 6, 2020).
    A central component of this cycle is the ability of federal
    savings associations to securitize the original loans and sell
    them into the secondary market. As the Supreme Court
    explained in de la Cuesta, the “marketability of a mortgage
    18      MCSHANNOCK V. JP MORGAN CHASE BANK
    in the secondary market is critical to a savings and loan, for
    it thereby can sell mortgages to obtain funds to make
    additional home loans.” 
    458 U.S. at
    155 n.10 (emphasis
    added). In 2009, “82 percent of the first-lien home-purchase
    and refinance loans for one- to four-family properties . . .
    were sold during the year.” Robert B. Avery et al., The 2009
    HMDA Data: The Mortgage Market in a Time of Low
    Interest Rates and Economic Distress, Fed. Reserve
    Bulletin, A45 (Dec. 2010), https://www.federalreserve.gov/
    pubs/bulletin/2010/pdf/2009_HMDA_final.pdf (last accessed
    Aug. 6, 2020).
    Allowing states to impose a panoply of requirements on
    loans originated by savings associations impedes the
    securitization of those loans by (1) creating substantial
    uncertainty for buyers in the secondary market about the
    applicable law governing the loans they are purchasing and
    (2) imposing substantial compliance costs on secondary
    buyers. See R. H. Coase, The Problem of Social Cost,
    
    56 J.L. & Econ. 837
    , 850 (2013) (observing that transaction
    costs are frequently sufficient to “prevent many transactions
    that would be carried out in a world in which the pricing
    system worked without cost”). This, in turn, decreases the
    value of the loans being held by federal savings associations,
    thereby reducing the amount of lending federal savings
    institutions can do. See de la Cuesta, 
    458 U.S. at
    155 n.10.
    We hold that this result more than “incidentally effect[s] . . .
    the lending operations of” savings associations, which
    triggers preemption under section 560.2(c).
    Our conclusion is supported by a natural experiment that
    took place in the Second Circuit in the wake of Madden v.
    Midland Funding, LLC, 
    786 F.3d 246
     (2d Cir. 2015). See In
    re Nat’l Collegiate Athletic Ass’n Athletic Grant-in-Aid Cap
    Antitrust Litig., 
    958 F.3d 1239
    , 1250 (9th Cir. 2020)
    MCSHANNOCK V. JP MORGAN CHASE BANK                          19
    (crediting the results of natural experiments in reaching the
    conclusion that an increase in compensation to student
    athletes did not diminish consumer demand). In Madden,
    the Second Circuit held that the NBA did not preempt
    application of New York state’s usury law to loans that were
    originally issued by national banks and then sold into the
    secondary market. 786 F.3d at 251–52.
    In the wake of Madden, the secondary market
    “significantly reduced the price of notes backed by above-
    usury loans to borrowers in Connecticut and New York.”
    Colleen Honigsberg et al., How Does Legal Enforceability
    Affect Consumer Lending? Evidence from A Natural
    Experiment, 
    60 J.L. & Econ. 673
    , 675 (2017). Lenders also
    extended “relatively less credit to borrowers” and
    “discount[ed] notes backed by above-usury loans to
    borrowers in Connecticut and New York.” 
    Id. at 675, 691
    .
    “Not only did lenders make smaller loans in these states after
    Madden, but they also declined to issue loans to the higher-
    risk borrowers most likely to borrow above usury rates.” 
    Id. at 675
    ; see also Piotr Danisewicz & Ilaf Elard, The Real
    Effects of Financial Technology: Marketplace Lending and
    Personal Bankruptcy 22 (2018), https://tinyurl.com/y5s3s7
    oh (noting a 64% decrease in the volume of lending to low-
    income households in the wake of Madden). 8
    Even before Madden started to impact the market, many
    questioned its reasoning, including the United States. See
    8
    We disagree the study’s findings are inapposite. See Dissent at 40.
    While the study found that discount for notes backed by noncurrent loans
    were “highly economically meaningful,” discounts for current loans
    were also statistically significant. Honigsberg et al., 
    supra, at 675
    .
    Moreover, the study unequivocally found lenders extended “relatively
    less credit to borrowers” and “declined to issue loans to higher-risk
    borrowers most likely to borrow above usury rates.” 
    Id.
    20      MCSHANNOCK V. JP MORGAN CHASE BANK
    Brief for the United States as Amicus Curiae at *1, Midland
    Funding, LLC v. Madden, 
    786 F.3d 246
     (2d Cir. 2015) (No.
    15-610), 
    2016 WL 2997343
    . The United States explained
    why Madden was “incorrect”:
    Properly understood, a national bank’s
    Section 85 authority to charge interest up to
    the maximum permitted by its home State
    encompasses the power to convey to an
    assignee the right to enforce the interest rate
    term of the agreement. That understanding is
    reinforced by 12 U.S.C. 24(Seventh), which
    identifies the power to sell loans as an
    additional power of national banks. The
    court of appeals appeared to conclude that, so
    long as application of New York usury law to
    petitioners’ collection activities would not
    entirely prevent national banks from selling
    consumer debt, state law is not preempted.
    That analysis reflects a misunderstanding of
    Section 85 and of this Court’s precedents.
    
    Id. at *6
     (internal quotation marks omitted).
    Basic economic principles, the natural experiment that
    took place in the wake of Madden, and the persuasive
    arguments put forth by the United States convince us that
    enforcing California’s interest-on-escrow law would reduce
    the value of the loans and reduce lending by savings
    associations, particularly to high-risk borrowers. 
    Id.
     This is
    more than the “incidental effect” required by section
    560.2(c) to trigger HOLA preemption, particularly in light
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    of our rule that “[a]ny doubt should be resolved in favor of
    preemption.” Silvas, 
    514 F.3d at 1005
    . 9
    D
    Appellees and amici’s arguments and the case law on
    which they rely do not compel a different conclusion.
    First, Appellees argue “that [the plain text of] § 560.2(a)
    limits the field of preemption to lending activities of federal
    savings associations.”       Appellees contend that this
    necessarily bars a national bank like Chase from benefiting
    from HOLA preemption. But by focusing solely on the term
    “federal savings association” at the exclusion of the rest of
    section 560.2’s text, Appellees miss the forest for the trees.
    See McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316 (1819)
    (per Marshall, C.J.) (observing that interpretation requires
    considering “the whole instrument”).
    As we have discussed, supra Section III(C), applying
    California’s interest-on-escrow law would the impose
    requirements on the “[p]rocessing, origination, servicing,
    sale or purchase of, or investment or participation in,
    mortgages,” contra § 560.2(b)(10), while at the same time
    having more than an “incidental[] effect [on] . . . the lending
    9
    Appellees argue in a footnote that resolution of this case at the
    motion to dismiss phase is inappropriate because Chase relies “on the
    speculative effect of non-preemption on FSAs, a factual issue very much
    in dispute.” Although we agree with the general principle that
    affirmative defenses may not be raised on a motion to dismiss, see
    ASARCO, LLC v. Union Pac. R.R. Co., 
    765 F.3d 999
    , 1004 (9th Cir.
    2014), we have previously decided whether the NBA or the HOLA
    preempts a state law at the motion to dismiss phase. See Rose v. Chase
    Bank USA, N.A., 
    513 F.3d 1032
    , 1038 (9th Cir. 2008); Silvas, 
    514 F.3d at 1008
     (affirming the district court’s decision to grant a motion to
    dismiss on the basis of HOLA preemption).
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    operations of” savings associations, contra § 560.2(c). A
    simple hypothetical demonstrates why Appellees’ cramped
    interpretation of section 560.2 fails. Say California adopted
    a two-part statute. The first part allows “federal savings
    associations to sell their loans to third-parties.” The second
    part provides that “third-parties who purchase said loans
    may be punished by up to one year in prison.” Under
    Appellees’ interpretation of section 560.2, HOLA would not
    preempt the second part of the statute because the statute
    does not directly regulate savings associations, even though
    it obviously affects the market for savings association loans.
    This interpretation of section 560.2 would create a sweeping
    opportunity for states to make an end run around HOLA
    preemption. We doubt Congress or the administering
    agencies intended HOLA’s preemptive force to be so feeble.
    Second, the case on which Appellees primarily rely,
    Lusnak, does little to support their position. In Lusnak, we
    held that the NBA’s conflict preemption regime did not
    preempt California’s interest-on-escrow law. 883 F.3d at
    1197. But preemption under the NBA is triggered only
    where the state law at issue “prevent[s] or significantly
    interfere[s] with the exercise of national bank powers.” Id.
    Preemption under HOLA, by contrast, is triggered at a much
    lower threshold—whenever a state law is the type of law
    contemplated by section 560.2(b) or has more than an
    “incidental effect on the lending operations of” savings
    associations, § 560.2(c). Lusnak’s holding that preemption
    did not apply under the NBA’s standard therefore says little
    about whether preemption applies under HOLA’s less
    onerous standard.
    Finally, we disagree that applying field preemption
    would run afoul of a primary purpose of HOLA: consumer
    protection. Although there is ordinarily a presumption
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    against preemption in the context of consumer protection
    statutes like California’s interest-on-escrow law, this case
    involves field preemption of a sweeping federal law. See
    Lusnak, 883 F.3d at 1196. HOLA field preemption is so
    broad that the traditional presumption against preemption
    does not apply. See Silvas, 
    514 F.3d at 1004
    . We have
    described “HOLA and its following agency regulations as a
    ‘radical and comprehensive response to the inadequacies of
    the existing state system,’ and ‘so pervasive as to leave no
    room for state regulatory control.’” 
    Id.
     (quoting Conference
    of Fed. Sav. & Loan Ass’ns v. Stein, 
    604 F.2d 1256
    , 1257,
    1260 (9th Cir. 1979) (emphasis added)). Thus, because of
    this “history of significant federal presence . . . the
    presumption against preemption of state law is
    inapplicable.” 
    Id. at 1005
    .
    E
    Our holding also accords with the view of HOLA
    preemption expressed in two agency opinion letters. 10 In
    1985, the FHLBB was asked to evaluate whether HOLA
    preemption extended to a “New York State law requiring the
    payment of interest on escrow accounts.” FHLBB Op.
    General Counsel, 1985 FHLBB LEXIS 178, at *1 (Aug. 13,
    1985). The FHLBB observed that HOLA preempted “state
    laws or regulations which would impose upon federal
    associations obligations to pay interest on escrow accounts
    10
    The parties contest the level of deference we owe to these letters.
    We need not resolve this dispute because the text and history of HOLA
    and OTS’s preemption regulation is sufficient for our holding. See Kisor
    v. Wilkie, 
    139 S. Ct. 2400
    , 2415 (2019) (“[A] court must carefully
    consider the text, structure, history, and purpose of a regulation, in all
    the ways it would if it had no agency to fall back on. Doing so will
    resolve many seeming ambiguities out of box, without resort to Auer
    deference.”).
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    other than those provided for in their loan contracts.” Id.
    at *4. Taking this analysis one step further, the FHLBB
    opined that “such preemption would exist regardless of
    whether the loans in question are sold by the federal
    association to a third party, are being serviced by a third
    party, or whether the escrow deposits are held at a federal
    association while the loans have been sold in the secondary
    market.” Id. at *5 (emphasis added). 11
    The FHLBB’s 1985 letter was cited by the OTS in a
    second opinion letter issued seventeen years later. See
    Preemption of N.J. Predatory Lending Act, OTS Op. Letter,
    P-2003-5, 
    2003 WL 24040104
    , at *4 n.18 (July 22, 2003).
    In 2003, the OTS was asked to address whether “purchasers
    or assignees of loans a federal savings association originates
    would be subject to claims and defenses that would not apply
    to the federal savings association itself.” 
    Id. at *1
    .
    Answering this question in the negative, the OTS first opined
    that purchasers, pursuant to the NJ Act itself, would not be
    liable. 
    Id. at *4
    . The OTS added that “this result would be
    consistent with the general principle that loan terms should
    not change simply because an originator entitled to federal
    preemption may sell or assign a loan to an investor that is
    not entitled to federal preemption.” 
    Id.
     at *4 n.18. The letter
    concluded that, in the event liability was created by the NJ
    Act, “it might interfere with the ability of federal savings
    11
    The dissent claims this letter has no bearing as section 560.2 was
    not issued until 1996. Dissent at 36–37. But before section 560.2 was
    promulgated, courts and the FHLBB recognized HOLA’s preemptive
    effects. See Implementation of New Powers, 
    48 Fed. Reg. 23,032
    ,
    23,032–33 (May 23, 1983); 
    id. at 23,058
     (to be codified at 
    12 C.F.R. § 545.2
    ) (recognizing “plenary and exclusive authority of the [FHLBB]
    to regulate all aspects of the operations of Federal associations . . .
    preemptive of any state law purporting to address the subject of the
    operations of a Federal association”).
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    associations to sell mortgages that they originate under a
    uniform federal system and, thus, be subject to preemption.”
    
    Id.
    Although we need look no further than the text of
    HOLA’s implementing regulation to decide this case, the
    views expressed by FHLBB and OTS only further bolster
    our conclusion that California’s interest-on-escrow law
    would interfere with the lending operations of savings
    associations, triggering HOLA preemption.
    ****
    We hold that HOLA field preemption principles apply to
    Appellees’ claims against Chase, a national bank, even
    though its conduct giving rise to the complaint occurred after
    it acquired the loans in question from WaMu, a federal
    savings association. Because California’s interest-on-
    escrow law imposes a requirement regarding escrow
    accounts; affects the terms of sale, purchase, investment in,
    and participation in loans originated by savings associations;
    and has more than an incidental effect on the lending
    operations of savings associations, we hold that it is
    preempted by sections 560.2(b)(6) and (b)(10), and 560.2(c)
    of the OTS regulation governing the case before us.
    REVERSED and REMANDED. Each party shall bear
    its own costs.
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    GWIN, District Judge, dissenting:
    Because the majority opinion reaches a conclusion that
    the authorizing statute’s text does not support; because the
    majority opinion reaches a conclusion that the regulatory
    text does not support; and because California is not
    otherwise preempted from requiring banks to pay nominal
    interest on escrow account balances, I dissent.
    Introduction
    From the 1930s, federal savings associations and
    national banks were separately regulated. With their
    different regulation, federal savings association institutions
    received different and greater preemption from state laws.
    In contrast, national banks were separately regulated and
    national banks, like Chase, had less preemption from state
    regulations and laws. Under the Supremacy Clause, states
    could regulate national banks more than states could regulate
    federal savings association institutions.
    The 2011 Dodd-Frank Act changed this. Now, federal
    savings associations and national banks face the same state
    law preemption exceptions.
    California law requires banks pay consumers a nominal
    interest on bank customers’ escrow account balances.
    Before the 2011 Dodd-Frank Act, California did not require
    similar escrow interest payments by federal savings
    association institutions.
    This case asks us to exempt Chase from paying its
    California customers nominal interest on escrow balance
    monies that Chase can otherwise use—but asks for this
    exemption only on accounts that Chase bought from federal
    savings association institutions before January 21, 2013.
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    Chase already pays this escrow interest on loans that Chase
    generated and pays this interest on loans generated by other
    national banks.
    After January 21, 2013, revised federal regulations
    require both national banks and federal savings association
    comply with state escrow interest rate requirements.
    Although Chase pays the escrow interest on loans that
    Chase or other banks generated, Chase says it should not be
    required to compensate customers whose loans originated
    with a federal savings association institution before 2013.
    Background
    In 1933, and during the Depression, Congress adopted
    the Home Owners Loan Act (“HOLA”) to charter and
    regulate savings associations at a time when a record number
    of home loans were in default and many savings associations
    were insolvent. 1 “HOLA empowered the regulatory body,
    which became the [Office of Thrift Supervision (“OTS”)], to
    authorize the creation of federal savings and loan
    associations, to regulate them, and, by its regulations, to
    preempt conflicting state law.” 2
    At HOLA’s 1933 adoption, federal savings association
    loans were not sold. The 1933 HOLA legislation said
    1
    Codified as 
    12 U.S.C. § 1461
     et seq.
    2
    Campidoglio LLC v. Wells Fargo & Co., 
    870 F.3d 963
    , 971 (9th
    Cir. 2017).
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    nothing about loan sales and said nothing about transferring
    any state preemption benefits to loan purchasers. 3
    Within ten years of HOLA’s enactment, the Office of
    Thrift Supervision’s predecessor promulgated regulations
    that suggested that federal savings association loans could
    be sold. These early regulations did not say federal
    preemption followed the loans. 4
    In 1938, Congress created the Federal National
    Mortgage Association (“Fannie Mae”), establishing a new
    secondary private market for mortgage loans. The 1938
    Fannie Mae legislation did not change HOLA and only
    implicitly authorized Fannie Mae’s loan sales in a secondary
    market. 5 Once again, the Fannie Mae legislation did not say
    that any HOLA state law preemption followed a loan sale to
    a buyer not otherwise entitled to the preemption.
    In 1978, Congress amended HOLA and, for the first
    time, explicitly authorized the sales of federal savings
    association institution generated loans. The 1978 HOLA
    amendments said nothing regarding the transferability of any
    federal savings association preemption. Congress said
    nothing regarding preemption transferability despite obvious
    knowledge and approval for federal savings association loan
    sales. 6
    3
    McShannock v. JP Morgan Chase Bank N.A., 
    354 F. Supp. 3d 1063
    , 1076 (N.D. Cal. 2018).
    4
    
    Id.
    5
    
    Id.
    6
    
    Id.
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    On September 30, 1996, the Office of Thrift Supervision
    adopted regulations for federal savings associations,
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    . 7 Under its own terms, 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    regulated federal savings associations. It did not regulate
    national banks.
    Chase is a national bank; Chase is not a federal savings
    association. As a national bank, HOLA does not directly
    regulate or protect Chase. Nonetheless, Chase argues that
    HOLA preemption applies because Appellees’ loans
    originated with Washington Mutual, a federal savings
    association, before Congress passed Dodd-Frank.
    While this Court has earlier found broad HOLA
    preemption, it has not decided whether a non-federal-
    savings-association entity that acquires a loan from a federal
    savings association receives HOLA protections for its own
    post-acquisition conduct.
    Discussion
    This case should be simple. California requires banks
    pay interest on escrow account balances. This Court’s
    Lusnak decision found that national banks must pay
    California’s escrow interest on loans that national banks
    themselves generated. 8 Chase is a national bank with
    California escrow accounts. It seems obvious—Chase, a
    national bank and not a federal savings association, should
    comply with California’s escrow interest law.
    7
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     (2017).
    8
    Lusnak v. Bank of America, N.A., 
    883 F.3d 1185
     (9th Cir. 2018).
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    The majority, however, finds that HOLA exempts
    national banks from paying escrow interest on loans that
    national banks purchased from a federal savings association
    before 2013.
    First, the majority’s opinion gives this one-off
    exemption from state interest law where the underlying
    statutory text gives no suggestion that Congress intended to
    exempt national bank purchased loans, even when those
    loans were purchased from federal thrift associations.
    Second, the majority opinion interprets the critical
    regulation beyond what the regulation’s text supports.
    Finally, the majority opinion justifies its disregard of the
    underlying statute text and regulation text by positing that
    differing state escrow interest rules will make federal
    savings association loan sales more difficult because of
    regulatory costs.
    The majority reaches this result even though Congress
    reached the directly opposite policy judgment in the 2011
    Dodd-Frank Act.
    The majority opinion also supports its theory by relying
    on an unrelated law review study that speaks to a completely
    different issue and says that the described regulatory change
    had no impact except for secondary sales of usurious loans
    that were already in default. Hardly a surprise.
    We are not legislators charged with weighing the cost
    and benefit of the escrow interest requirement. And with
    Dodd-Frank, Congress has made its policy judgment by
    allowing states to require escrow interest. Even if Dodd-
    Frank does not control this case, it suggests that Congress
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    does not believe HOLA preemption should stop state escrow
    interest requirements.
    I
    A.
    Under the Supremacy Clause, federal law preempts
    conflicting state law but only when Congress intends to
    preempt state law. 9 In judging whether Congress intended
    to preempt state law, including state banking controls, we
    first look first at the authorizing statute. As Justice Gorsuch
    describes: “Invoking some brooding federal interest or
    appealing to a judicial policy preference should never be
    enough to win preemption of a state law; a litigant must point
    specifically to ‘a constitutional text or a federal statute’ that
    does the displacing or conflicts with state law.” 10
    The underlying HOLA statute gives only limited
    regulatory authority. Before 2010, HOLA gave the Office
    of Thrift Supervision the power to adopt regulations to
    “provide for the examination, safe and sound operation, and
    regulation of Federal savings associations.” 11 Consistent
    with this, HOLA gave the Office of Thrift Supervision
    9
    U.S. Const., art. VI, cl. 2.
    10
    Virginia Uranium, Inc. v. Warren, 
    139 S. Ct. 1894
    , 1901 (2019)
    (quoting Puerto Rico Dept. of Consumer Affairs v. ISLA Petroleum
    Corp., 
    485 U.S. 495
    , 503 (1988)).
    11
    
    12 U.S.C. § 1463
    (a)(1) (2010).
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    authority to adopt regulations “for the . . . operation[] and
    regulation of . . . [f]ederal savings associations.” 12
    The controlling statute gives no suggestion that it
    authorizes bank regulation. Chase’s argument fails because
    there is no statutory support to allow the Office of Thrift
    Supervision to regulate banks or to preempt state escrow
    account interest regulations.
    B.
    The majority recognizes that HOLA includes no
    statutory language extending preemption to banks but
    suggests we should find such intent from the 1978 HOLA
    legislation. 13 The 1978 HOLA legislation allowed the sale
    of federal savings association generated loans. The 1978
    HOLA says nothing regarding the transferability of federal
    savings association state preemption.
    The majority says that Congress’ decision to expand
    HOLA to permit savings associations to sell into secondary
    markets indicates that HOLA preemption should travel with
    a loan after it is sold. 14
    First, Congress’ allowing mortgages to be sold is
    different from Congress’ extending the reach of HOLA
    12
    
    12 U.S.C. § 1464
    (a).
    13
    Maj. Op. 12 (“Although there is nothing in the text or the
    legislative history of HOLA that references the transfer of loans from a
    federal savings association in a secondary market, the district court erred
    by discounting the subsequent amendments to HOLA and the [Office of
    Thrift Supervision]’s regulations.”).
    14
    Maj. Op. 12.
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    preemption. Congress’ knowledge of and approval for the
    sale of federal savings association loans says nothing
    regarding whether Congress intended federal preemption to
    follow the loan. Congress already regulated national banks
    and already decided to give national banks less protection
    from state laws. That the 1978 HOLA legislation allowed
    the sale of savings association loans says little regarding
    Congress’ intent to allow national banks to escape state
    regulation.
    Second, what is good for the goose is good for the
    gander. If the Court considers the 1978 HOLA legislation
    (which contained no specific reference to extending
    preemption to banks), then the Dodd-Frank Act and its
    attending regulations (explicitly authorizing state escrow
    interest requirements) should be considered.
    California’s interest-on-escrow law does not affect the
    operation of a federal savings association in this instance.
    To excuse Chase from California’s interest-on-escrow law
    via 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     would exceed the statutory authority
    granted to the Office of Thrift Supervision to regulate federal
    savings associations. 15
    II
    A.
    Even if the Office of Thrift Supervision had authority to
    regulate banks’ escrow interest obligations, the relied-upon
    regulation, 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    , cannot be fairly read to
    15
    Louisiana Pub. Serv. Comm’n v. FCC, 
    476 U.S. 355
    , 374 (1986)
    (“[A] federal agency may pre-empt state law only when and if it is acting
    within the scope of its congressionally delegated authority.”).
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    preempt state escrow interest laws when applied to national
    banks.
    Section § 560.2(a) described HOLA’s regulatory intent.
    Regarding preemption, the regulation says:
    [The Office of Thrift Supervision] is
    authorized to promulgate regulations that
    preempt state laws affecting the operations of
    federal savings associations when deemed
    appropriate to facilitate the safe and sound
    operation of federal savings associations, to
    enable federal savings associations to
    conduct their operations in accordance with
    the best practices of thrift institutions in the
    United States, or to further other purposes of
    the HOLA.
    When the 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (a) language is given its
    natural interpretation, it only preempts a state law when the
    state law affects federal savings association operations.
    And, “operation” is understood as “the fact of operating or
    being active,” “a method or manner of functioning,” and
    defined as “the action of operating a . . . business.” 16
    Chase is a national bank, not a federal thrift association.
    With Washington Mutual long gone, 12 C.F.R § 560.2 does
    not affect the operation of a federal thrift association.
    Further, the 12 C.F.R § 560.2 regulation’s field-
    preemptive language limited itself to federal savings
    associations: “To enhance safety and soundness and to
    16
    Operation, Cambridge Dictionary, https://dictionary.cambridge.
    org/us/dictionary/english/operation (last visited Aug. 28, 2020).
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    enable federal savings associations to conduct their
    operations in accordance with best practices . . . [the Office
    of Thrift Supervision] hereby occupies the entire field of
    lending regulation for federal savings associations.” 17
    The negative inference, expressio unius est exclusion
    alterius (the inclusion of one is the exclusion of others),
    applies. Under 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    , the Office of Thrift
    Supervision received express authority to regulate savings
    and loan associations but not banks. “As we have held
    repeatedly, the canon expressio unius est exclusio alterius
    . . . has force only when the items expressed are members of
    an ‘associated group or series,’ justifying the inference that
    items not mentioned were excluded by deliberate choice, not
    inadvertence.” 18
    The regulation’s preemption language limited
    preemption to lending regulation and to federal savings
    associations. As described in the regulation: “[The Office
    of Thrift Supervision] intends to give federal savings
    associations maximum flexibility to exercise their lending
    powers in accordance with a uniform federal scheme of
    regulation.” 19    The regulation went on to cabin its
    application: “Accordingly, federal savings associations
    may extend credit as authorized under federal law, including
    this part, without regard to state laws purporting to regulate
    or otherwise affect their credit activities.” 20
    17
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (a).
    18
    Barnhart v. Peabody Coal Co., 
    537 U.S. 149
    , 168 (2003).
    19
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (a).
    20
    
    Id.
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    The 1996 adoption of 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     must have been
    made with knowledge that federal savings and loan
    associated loans had been sold to national banks. The Office
    of Thrift Supervision’s failure to seek preemption
    protections for federal savings association loans sold to
    national banks implies an intent not to preempt California’s
    escrow interest state law.
    By the language used, 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     applied to
    federal savings associations. By the language used,
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     limited its preemption to state laws
    regulating federal savings association credit activities. By
    the language used, 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     did not apply to banks.
    B.
    The majority principally relies on two historical facts in
    the evolution of HOLA regulation to show that 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     preemption was intended to flow through to a third
    party that purchased a loan from a federal savings
    association:
    First, the majority cites a 1985 opinion letter from the
    predecessor agency to the Office of Thrift Supervision.21
    Only a single line in the letter could be read to address the
    sale of loans to a third party: “Such preemption would exist
    regardless of whether the loans in question are sold by the
    federal association to a third party….” 22 This 1985 opinion
    letter predates the 1996 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    ’s implementation
    21
    Maj. Op. 23.
    22
    
    Id.
     (citing FHLBB Op. General Counsel, 1985 FHLBB LEXIS
    178, at *5 (Aug. 13, 1985)).
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    and is not an interpretation of, or based upon, the
    regulation. 23
    Second, a 2003 opinion letter from the Office of Thrift
    Supervision states that loan terms should not change “simply
    because an originator entitled to federal preemption may sell
    or assign a loan to an investor that is not entitled to federal
    preemption.” 24 Although a similar issue, this case does not
    involve loan terms.
    These historical notes do not warrant the majority’s
    deference and do not indicate Congress’ intent to allow
    preemptive effect to travel with loans sold by federal savings
    associations to third parties. 25
    As the majority recognizes, the Supreme Court’s
    decision in Kisor v. Wilkie, cautions against deference to an
    agency’s interpretation when a regulation is not genuinely
    ambiguous. Here, 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     regulated federal
    savings associations, not national banks. Even if 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
     was ambiguous, the two historical notes on which
    the majority relies do not merit deference because they are
    not interpretations that “reflect an agency’s authoritative,
    expertise-based, fair[, or] considered judgment.” 26
    23
    See 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    .
    24
    Maj. Op. 24 (citing Preemption of N.J. Predatory Lending Act,
    Office of Thrift Supervision Op. Letter, P-2003-5, 
    2003 WL 24040104
    ,
    at *4 n.18 (July 22, 2003)).
    25
    Maj. Op. 12.
    26
    Kisor v. Wilkie, 
    139 S. Ct. 2400
    , 2414 (2019) (internal quotations
    omitted). See also Maj. Op. 12 n.7.
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    The majority does not show that 
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    preemption was meant to flow through to a third party that
    purchased a loan from a federal savings association. Once
    Chase held the loans, the loans were no longer a part of “the
    operation of federal savings associations,” and the regulation
    does not govern Chase’s conduct. 27
    III
    Finally, the majority’s concern about potential “effects”
    is misguided.
    Section 560.2(c) provides that state laws that have “only
    an incidental effect on lending operations” are not
    preempted. 28 The majority argues that a finding against
    preemption would allow “states to impose a panoply of
    requirements on loans originated by savings associations
    [that would] impede[] the securitization of these loans” by
    creating uncertainty and leading to compliance costs. 29 The
    majority believes that non-preemption would create more
    than an “incidental effect” because Chase would have to
    adhere to California’s interest-on-escrow law.
    In this case, we consider the California escrow-interest
    provision. We do not bear responsibility for protecting
    Chase from some panoply of not-yet-enacted state banking
    regulation.
    Also, this decision will have no going-forward effect.
    Regardless of how this case is decided, for contracts entered
    27
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (a).
    28
    
    12 C.F.R. § 560.2
    (c)(6)(ii).
    29
    Maj. Op. 18.
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    after January 21, 2013, federal-thrift-generated loans receive
    the same preemption treatment as national-bank-generated
    loans. Since January 21, 2013, both federal savings
    associations and banks must now “pay interest to the
    consumer on the amount held in any impound, trust, or
    escrow account . . . in the manner as prescribed by that
    applicable State or Federal law.” 30
    Additionally, it is not clear that permitting Chase to
    evade California’s law for loans purchased from federal
    savings association institutions before January 21, 2013,
    would make the secondary market for loans less attractive
    overall. Chase already complies with California’s escrow
    interest laws on loans that Chase or other national banks
    underwrote.
    The majority also cites a study based on a “natural
    experiment” following the Second Circuit’s decision in
    Madden v. Midland Funding, LLC to support its argument
    that ruling against preemption will cause more than an
    “incidental effect.” 31
    In Madden, the Second Circuit held that the National
    Banking Act did not preempt New York’s and Connecticut’s
    usury law’s application to debts originally issued by national
    banks and then sold in the secondary market. 32
    30
    15 USC § 1639d(g)(3). Section 1639d—requiring savings
    association compliance with state escrow interest laws—became
    effective on January 21, 2013. Lusnak, 883 F.3d at 1197.
    31
    
    786 F.3d 246
     (2d Cir. 2015), cert. denied, 
    136 S. Ct. 2505
     (2016).
    32
    
    Id.
     at 249–51. See also Maj. Op. 18–19.
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    The article measures the Second Circuit’s opinion’s
    impact on the secondary sales of usurious loans in three
    states. 33 The Madden decision allowed all New York and
    Connecticut usurious loan customers to walk away from
    their usurious loans without any liability.
    Against this backdrop, where secondary purchasers
    could lose all right to recover, the article surprisingly finds
    little impact: “[T]he discount is highly economically
    meaningful for notes backed by noncurrent loans but close
    to 0 for current loans. These findings indicate that debt
    holders . . . were not especially concerned unless borrowers
    were already late on their payments.” 34
    Madden is wildly different from this case. After
    Madden, the law review article finds no secondary loan sales
    impact for current loans and only limited secondary loan
    sales impact for non-current loans that are not enforceable. 35
    Madden also disrupted a long-held belief that national
    banks were exempt, under federal banking law, from state
    limits on interest rates. Uncertainty and risk to lenders
    stemmed from the unknown disposition of the Madden case;
    for example, there was a chance that the Supreme Court
    would take up the case, which it did not. 36 In this case, a
    33
    Colleen Honigsberg et al., How Does Legal Enforceability Affect
    Consumer Lending? Evidence from a Natural Experiment, 
    60 J.L. & Econ. 673
    , 674–75 (2017).
    34
    
    Id. at 675
    .
    35
    
    Id.
    36
    Again, the study the majority cites only reviewed data from the
    year following the Madden decision. 
    Id.
     at 673–74.
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    ruling against preemption would treat these loans as they
    would have been treated if they had been originated post-
    Dodd-Frank and there is no evidence that post-Dodd-Frank-
    originated loans have disrupted the secondary market.
    Conclusion
    This case is fundamentally about statutory interpretation.
    Justice Gorsuch appropriately describes how the actual text
    of statutes and regulations should control:
    Rather than beginning with legislative history
    or making economic hypotheses about social
    consequences, a textualist starts with
    dictionary definitions, rules of grammar, and
    the historical context in which a law was
    adopted to see what its language meant to
    those who adopted the law. In this way,
    textualism offers a known and knowable
    methodology for judges to determine
    impartially and fix what the law is, not simply
    declare what it ought to be—a method to
    discern the written law’s content without
    extraneous value judgments about person or
    policies. 37
    Instead of heeding this advice, the majority ignores the text
    of the relevant statutes and regulations and instead
    hypothesizes about the economic impact of a finding against
    preemption.
    For the foregoing reasons, I believe that the majority
    should not stretch the HOLA’s application and its
    37
    Neil M. Gorsuch, A Republic, If You Can Keep It 131–32 (2019).
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    accompanying regulations to excuse Chase from
    California’s interest-on-escrow law. I respectfully dissent.