United States v. Robert Collazo ( 2020 )


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  •                 FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,             No. 15-50509
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                    3:13-cr-04514-
    BEN-7
    ROBERT COLLAZO, AKA Weasel,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,             No. 16-50048
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                    3:13-cr-04514-
    BEN-1
    LINO DELGADO-VIDACA, AKA
    Leonard Delgado, AKA Spanky,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,             No. 16-50117
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                    3:13-cr-04514-
    BEN-4
    JULIO RODRIGUEZ, AKA Sniper,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    2            UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                No. 16-50195
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                      3:13-cr-04514-
    BEN-2
    STEVEN AMADOR, AKA Gordo,
    AKA Insane,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                No. 16-50345
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                      3:13-cr-04514-
    BEN-3
    ISAAC BALLESTEROS, AKA Lazy,
    Defendant-Appellant.          OPINION
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Southern District of California
    Roger T. Benitez, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted En Banc January 13, 2020
    Pasadena, California
    Filed December 2, 2020
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                             3
    Before: Sidney R. Thomas, Chief Judge, and William A.
    Fletcher, Consuelo M. Callahan, Milan D. Smith, Jr.,
    Sandra S. Ikuta, Jacqueline H. Nguyen, Paul J. Watford,
    Andrew D. Hurwitz, Eric D. Miller, Bridget S. Bade and
    Daniel A. Bress, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Ikuta;
    Dissent by Judge W. Fletcher
    SUMMARY*
    Criminal Law
    In appeals by five defendants who were convicted of
    conspiracy to distribute controlled substances under 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 846
     and 841, the en banc court clarified the
    requirements for conspiracy under § 846 and the facts that
    trigger the penalties under 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 841
    (b)(1)(A)–(B).
    The en banc court explained that to convict the defendants
    of conspiracy under § 846 in this case, the government must
    prove beyond a reasonable doubt that each defendant agreed
    with another person that some member of the conspiracy
    would commit the relevant underlying offense (here 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (a)), and that each defendant had the requisite
    intent for a § 841(a) conviction.
    The en banc court held that in order to obtain a particular
    sentence under 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(1)(A)(viii) and
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
    4               UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    § 841(b)(1)(B)(i) for a violation of § 841(a), the government
    must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the specific type and
    the quantity of substance involved in the offense, but not the
    defendant’s knowledge (or intent) with respect to that type
    and drug quantity.
    The en banc court clarified that a conviction under § 846
    does not require proof of a level of criminal intent greater
    than that required for the underlying offense merely because
    it is a conspiracy conviction. The en banc court concluded
    that to obtain a conviction and particular sentence for
    conspiracy to distribute controlled substances under § 846,
    the government must prove only that the defendant’s mental
    state was the same as if the defendant had been charged with
    the underlying offense; the government need not prove the
    defendant’s knowledge (or intent) with respect to the drug
    type and quantity under § 841(b).
    The en banc court overruled United States v. Becerra,
    
    992 F.2d 960
     (9th Cir. 1993), and its progeny to the extent
    they depart from this decision. The en banc court explained
    that this court’s error in Becerra and its progeny was the
    failure to recognize that the rule of coconspirator liability for
    substantive offenses in Pinkerton v. United States, 
    328 U.S. 640
     (1946), which was incorporated into the Sentencing
    Guidelines and applied regardless of whether the charge was
    conspiracy or a substantive offense, does not apply to the
    liability determination for a § 846 conspiracy offense.
    Applying this approach to the case on appeal, the en banc
    court held that the district court’s instruction—requiring the
    jury to determine “whether the government proved beyond a
    reasonable doubt that the amount of [the specified drug] that
    was reasonably foreseeable to [each defendant] or fell within
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    the scope of his particular agreement equaled or exceeded” a
    specified amount—was erroneous.
    The en banc court remanded to the three-judge panel to
    reconsider the harmless error issue and the balance of the
    issues raised by the parties in light of this opinion, and to
    enter an appropriate judgment.
    Judge W. Fletcher—joined by Chief Judge Thomas and
    Judges Nguyen, Watford, and Hurwitz—dissented. Noting
    that any fact that by law increases the penalty for a crime is
    an element that must be submitted to the jury and proved
    beyond a reasonable doubt, and that there is a strong
    presumption that Congress intends to require a culpable mens
    rea as to every element of a crime, Judge Fletcher would hold
    that when the government seeks enhanced penalties under
    §§ 841(b)(1)(A) or (b)(1)(B), it must prove the defendant
    “knowingly or intentionally” distributed the actual controlled
    substance and quantity charged under §§ 841(b)(1)(A) or
    (b)(1)(B).
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    COUNSEL
    Benjamin L. Coleman (argued), Coleman & Balogh LLP, San
    Diego, California; Timothy A. Scott and Nicolas O. Jimenez,
    Scott Trial Lawyers APC, San Diego, California; for
    Defendant-Appellant Steven Amador.
    John C. Lemon, San Diego, California, for Defendant-
    Appellant Julio Rodriguez.
    Martin G. Molina, Law Office of Martin G. Molina, San
    Diego, California, for Defendant-Appellant Lino Delgado-
    Vidaca.
    Gary P. Burcham, Burcham & Zugman, San Diego,
    California, for Defendant-Appellant Robert Collazo.
    Victor N. Pippins, Higgs Fletcher & Mack, San Diego,
    California, for Defendant-Appellant Isaac Ballesteros.
    Daniel E. Zipp (argued), Assistant United States Attorney;
    Helen H. Hong, Chief, Appellate Section, Criminal Division;
    Robert S. Brewer Jr., United States Attorney; United States
    Attorney’s Office, San Diego, California; for Plaintiff-
    Appellee.
    Kimberly S. Trimble and Vincent J. Brunkow, Federal
    Defenders of San Diego Inc., San Diego, California; Rich
    Curtner, Federal Public Defender, Ancorage, Alaska; Michael
    Filipovic, Federal Public Defender, Seattle, Washington;
    Anthony Gallagher, Federal Defenders of Montana, Great
    Falls, Montana; Andrea George, Federal Defenders of Eastern
    Washington and Idaho, Spokane, Washington; John T.
    Gorman, Office of the Federal Public Defender, Mongmong,
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    Guam; Lisa Hay, Federal Public Defender, Portland, Oregon;
    Steven Kalar, Office of the Federal Public Defender, San
    Francisco, California; Amy Karlin, Office of the Federal
    Public Defender, Los Angeles, California; Dick Rubin,
    Federal Defender Services of Idaho, Boise, Idaho; Jon Sands,
    Federal Public Defender, Phoenix, Arizona; Heather
    Williams, Office of the Federal Defender, Sacramento,
    California; Peter Wolff, Federal Public Defender, Honolulu,
    Hawaii; for Amici Curiae Ninth Circuit Federal Public and
    Community Defenders.
    Jeffrey L. Fisher, O’Melveny & Myers LLP, Menlo Park,
    California; Ashley Robertson, O’Melveny & Myers LLP,
    Washington, D.C.; for Amicus Curiae National Association
    of Criminal Defense Lawyers.
    OPINION
    IKUTA, Circuit Judge:
    Five defendants convicted of conspiracy to distribute
    controlled substances under 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 846
     and 841
    challenge jury instructions that required the jury to determine
    “whether the government proved beyond a reasonable doubt
    that the amount of [the specified drug] that was reasonably
    foreseeable to [each defendant] or fell within the scope of his
    particular agreement equaled or exceeded” a specified
    amount. We conclude that this instruction was erroneous.
    After a defendant is convicted of conspiracy under § 846 to
    distribute controlled substances in violation of § 841(a)(1),
    the government may establish that the defendant is subject to
    the penalties in § 841(b)(1)(A)(viii) and § 841(b)(1)(B)(i) by
    proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the § 841(a)(1)
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    offense involved the drug type and quantity set forth in the
    two penalty provisions. The government is not required to
    prove that the defendant knew (or had an intent) with respect
    to the drug type and quantity set forth in those penalty
    provisions in order for them to apply.
    I
    Robert Collazo, Lino Delgado-Vidaca, Julio Rodriguez,
    Steven Amador, and Isaac Ballesteros are members of the
    Mexican Mafia, “the largest prison gang in the United
    States.” United States v. Rodriguez, 
    851 F.3d 931
    , 936 (9th
    Cir. 2017). It was “formed in the 1950s by Hispanic street
    gang members” for the purpose of protecting “Hispanics from
    other such gangs within California’s jails and prisons.”
    United States v. Shryock, 
    342 F.3d 948
    , 961 (9th Cir. 2003).
    Over time, it “gained significant power and control over
    illegal activities in the California prison system.” 
    Id.
     As
    members were released from prison, the organization
    extended its dominion to certain parts of Southern California.
    
    Id.
     Outside the prison walls, the Mexican Mafia demands
    payments (called “taxes”) from local drug dealers and street
    gangs in exchange for allowing them to distribute and sell
    drugs in its territory. Rodriguez, 851 F.3d at 936.
    The Mexican Mafia has a hierarchical structure. United
    States v. Martinez, 
    657 F.3d 811
    , 815 (9th Cir. 2011). At the
    top of the structure are the “made members” who are
    independently responsible for their own territory. Each made
    member has a “secretary” who ensures that the member’s
    decisions are implemented. Further down the hierarchy are
    the “meseros” who are responsible for making tactical
    decisions, such as when to initiate prison riots, and for
    overseeing the organization’s criminal activities within a
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    particular prison yard. The lower level participants are
    referred to as “associates.” The primary duty of an associate
    is to generate money for the Mexican Mafia through the
    distribution and sale of narcotics. Whether narcotics are sold
    in prison or on the street, every transaction is conducted on
    behalf of the made member who controls the particular
    territory.
    The five defendants in this appeal worked for Luis “Boo-
    Boo” Garcia, a made member of the Mexican Mafia who is
    serving a life sentence at Pelican Bay State Prison in Northern
    California. Each defendant had a defined role in the
    organization. Robert Collazo was in charge of a prison yard
    at Donovan Prison, and was responsible for coordinating
    narcotics being smuggled into prison on a regular basis:
    methamphetamine was smuggled by the ounce (roughly
    28 grams), and heroin was smuggled by the piece (roughly
    24 grams). Once the narcotics were smuggled into prison,
    Collazo worked with various Mexican Mafia members,
    including Ballesteros, to transfer those narcotics throughout
    the prison. Collazo also sent Garcia $400 every month. Lino
    Delgado-Vidaca, a Mexican Mafia member who had been
    released from prison, collected taxes from drug dealers in San
    Diego and conveyed payments to Garcia through Garcia’s
    fiancée. Julio Rodriguez was initially incarcerated at
    Lancaster State Prison and then transferred to Ironwood State
    Prison. He was responsible for smuggling heroin into both
    prisons. Rodriguez smuggled heroin in 50-gram increments;
    each delivery included one 25-gram bag and two 12.5-gram
    bags. Steven Amador, who was incarcerated at Centinela
    State Prison, served as Garcia’s secretary. His primary
    responsibility was collecting rent on behalf of Garcia.
    Amador also helped smuggle narcotics into Centinela. Isaac
    Ballesteros was incarcerated at Donovan State Prison. As a
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    mesero, he oversaw distribution and tax collection in one of
    the prison yards.
    Following a significant investigation by a joint state and
    federal gang task force, the defendants were arrested and
    charged with two counts of conspiracy. We are concerned
    only with the second count: conspiracy to distribute
    controlled substances, in violation of 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 841
    (a)(1),
    841(b)(1)(A)(viii), 841(b)(1)(B)(i), and 846.1 The indictment
    did not charge any defendant with a substantive offense
    related to this conspiracy count.
    After a ten-day trial, the parties agreed to jury instructions
    and verdict forms. For Count 2 (conspiracy to distribute
    controlled substances), the jury was instructed as follows:
    The defendants are charged in Count 2 of the
    indictment with conspiracy to distribute
    controlled substances in violation of Section
    841(a) and Section 846 of Title 21 of the
    United States Code. In order for a defendant
    to be found guilty of that charge, the
    government must prove each of the following
    elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
    1
    The indictment specifically alleged that the defendants “did
    knowingly and intentionally conspire . . . to distribute: 50 grams and more
    of actual methamphetamine, a Schedule II Controlled Substance;
    500 grams and more of a mixture containing methamphetamine, a
    Schedule II Controlled Substance; and 100 grams and more of heroin, a
    Schedule II Controlled Substance.” The indictment also alleged a RICO
    conspiracy, in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 1962
    (d), and criminal forfeiture,
    pursuant to 
    18 U.S.C. § 1963
    .
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    First, beginning on a date unknown and
    continuing up to and including March
    2013, there was an agreement between
    two or more persons to distribute
    methamphetamine or heroin; and
    Second, the defendant joined in the
    agreement knowing of its purpose and
    intending to help accomplish that purpose.
    If the jury found a defendant guilty of conspiracy to distribute
    controlled substances, the jury was instructed to make special
    findings regarding drug quantity:
    If you find a defendant guilty of the charge in
    Count 2 of the indictment, you are then to
    determine as to that defendant whether the
    government proved beyond a reasonable
    doubt that the amount of methamphetamine
    that was reasonably foreseeable to him or fell
    within the scope of his particular agreement
    equaled or exceeded 50 grams of actual
    methamphetamine or 500 grams of a mixture
    containing methamphetamine in connection
    with his criminal activity. Your decision as to
    weight must be unanimous.
    If you find a defendant guilty of the charge in
    Count 2 of the indictment, you are then to
    determine as to that defendant whether the
    government proved beyond a reasonable
    doubt that the amount of heroin that was
    reasonably foreseeable to him or fell within
    the scope of his particular agreement equaled
    12                   UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    or exceeded 100 grams of heroin in
    connection with his criminal activity. Your
    decision as to weight must be unanimous.
    During deliberation, the jury returned a note asking for
    clarification on its duty to make special findings regarding
    drug quantity.2 Only then did defense counsel raise his
    concern that the jury instructions were not in accordance with
    Ninth Circuit precedent. Relying on United States v. Ortiz,
    
    362 F.3d 1274
     (9th Cir. 2004), defense counsel argued that
    the drug-quantity instruction should be phrased in the
    conjunctive (reasonably foreseeable to him and fell within the
    scope of his particular agreement), rather than in the
    disjunctive (reasonably foreseeable to him or fell within the
    scope of his particular agreement).3 After a brief recess, the
    trial court ruled that Ortiz was not applicable, because it
    interpreted the United States Sentencing Guidelines (the
    “Guidelines”), rather than the relevant criminal statutes;
    therefore, the court declined to change the jury instructions.
    2
    The note read:
    Count 2. If we find the defendant guilty on Count 2
    “foreseeable to him or fell within the scope of his
    particular agreement equal to or exceeded 50 grams of
    pure meth or 500 grams of a mixture . . .”
    Q[:] Does this mean we have to determine if each
    defendant individually met the 50/500 gram
    requirement?
    3
    Defense counsel for each defendant expressly joined this argument,
    except Delgado-Vidaca’s counsel.
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    The jury found each defendant guilty of conspiracy to
    distribute controlled substances.4 As for the special findings
    regarding drug quantity under § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B), the jury
    found the requisite methamphetamine amount for Collazo and
    Delgado-Vidaca, and the requisite heroin amount for
    Amador, Ballesteros, Collazo, and Rodriguez.             Each
    defendant timely appealed, raising multiple claims of error,
    including a challenge to the jury instructions for Count 2. 5
    At the suggestion of the three-judge panel initially
    assigned the consolidated appeals, we voted to hear the
    appeals en banc to clarify our jury instructions for conspiracy
    under § 846 and the facts that trigger the penalties under
    § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B).6 As explained in more detail below, our
    prior decisions on this issue relied on the Guidelines’
    definition of “relevant conduct,” see U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3
    (1991), to determine a defendant’s liability for conspiracy
    under 
    21 U.S.C. § 846
     and the appropriate penalty under
    
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    . See United States v. Torres, 
    869 F.3d 1089
    ,
    1097–98 (9th Cir. 2017). After the Sentencing Commission
    revised the Guidelines’ definition of “relevant conduct,” we
    recognized it was necessary to resolve en banc how this
    change affected our interpretation of § 846 and § 841. Id. We
    now conclude that the Guidelines’ definition of “relevant
    conduct” is not applicable to our interpretation of § 846 or
    § 841. As a result, we must overrule our precedent and begin
    4
    The jury also found each defendant guilty of participating in the
    RICO conspiracy.
    5
    Ballesteros did not join his co-defendants in challenging the jury
    instructions on appeal until we requested supplemental briefing.
    6
    We address only this issue, and return the appeals to the three-judge
    panel to address the remaining issues.
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    anew to determine what the government must prove to secure
    a conviction and sentence under §§ 846 and 841(b).
    We have jurisdiction under 
    28 U.S.C. § 1291
    . “We
    review de novo whether the jury instructions accurately
    define the elements of a statutory offense.” United States v.
    Hicks, 
    217 F.3d 1038
    , 1045 (9th Cir. 2000).
    II
    In determining whether the jury instructions accurately
    defined each element of a § 846 conspiracy to distribute
    controlled substances in violation of § 841, we begin by
    explaining the legal framework for these offenses.
    A
    The defendants were charged with conspiracy under
    
    21 U.S.C. § 846
    , which provides: “Any person who attempts
    or conspires to commit any offense defined in this subchapter
    shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for
    the offense, the commission of which was the object of the
    attempt or conspiracy.” The pertinent offense in this case is
    set forth in 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (a)(1), and the penalties
    prescribed for this offense are set forth in 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(1)(A)–(B). Although the defendants were not
    charged with any substantive offenses under § 841(a)(1), this
    section and § 841(b) are relevant to determining the elements
    of the § 846 conspiracy convictions here.
    In enacting § 846, Congress adopted the common law
    understanding of conspiracy. United States v. Shabani,
    
    513 U.S. 10
    , 13–14 (1994). Therefore, our interpretation of
    § 846 is guided by well-established principles of conspiracy
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    law. See Ocasio v. United States, 
    136 S. Ct. 1423
    , 1429
    (2016) (stating that the general federal conspiracy statute’s
    “use of the term ‘conspire’ incorporates long-recognized
    principles of conspiracy law”).
    First, the essence of conspiracy “is an agreement to
    commit an unlawful act.” Iannelli v. United States, 
    420 U.S. 770
    , 777 (1975); see also Ocasio, 
    136 S. Ct. at 1429
     (“A
    defendant must merely reach an agreement with the specific
    intent that the underlying crime be committed by some
    member of the conspiracy.” (internal quotation marks and
    emphasis omitted)). The agreement itself is the offense, and
    it is not necessary for the government to prove that the
    defendant or other participants committed the unlawful object
    of the conspiracy.7 See Salinas v. United States, 
    522 U.S. 52
    ,
    65 (1997). The government is not required to prove every
    detail of the agreement. See, e.g., United States v. Sharif,
    
    817 F.2d 1375
    , 1378 (9th Cir. 1987) (rejecting the argument
    that “there can be no conspiracy without proof of . . . such
    terms as price, quantity, and time, place, and manner of
    delivery”). Rather, a fact-finder may infer the existence and
    scope of the agreement from the facts and circumstances
    established at trial. Iannelli, 
    420 U.S. at
    777 n.10; United
    States v. Espinoza-Valdez, 
    889 F.3d 654
    , 656 (9th Cir. 2018).
    “Once the existence of the conspiracy is shown, evidence
    establishing beyond a reasonable doubt a knowing connection
    of the defendant with the conspiracy, even though the
    7
    Nor does the government have to prove that the defendant or a
    coconspirator took an overt act in furtherance of the agreement. See
    Whitfield v. United States, 
    543 U.S. 209
    , 213–14 (2005). This
    distinguishes § 846 from the general federal conspiracy statute, 
    18 U.S.C. § 371
    , which requires proof of an agreement among two or more persons
    to commit an offense against the United States and that “one or more of
    such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy.”
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    connection is slight, is sufficient to convict him of knowing
    participation in the conspiracy.” United States v. Meyers,
    
    847 F.2d 1408
    , 1413 (9th Cir. 1988). At minimum, the
    government must “show that each defendant knew or had a
    reason to know of the scope of the conspiracy and that each
    defendant had reason to believe that their own benefits were
    dependent upon the success of the entire venture.”8 United
    States v. Lapier, 
    796 F.3d 1090
    , 1095 (9th Cir. 2015)
    (quoting United States v. Kostoff, 
    585 F.2d 378
    , 380 (9th Cir.
    1978) (per curiam)). When the government proves that a
    defendant had a knowing connection with an extensive
    enterprise (such as a drug trafficking organization) and had
    reason to know of its scope, a fact-finder may infer that the
    defendant agreed to the entire unlawful scheme.9 See United
    States v. Smith, 
    609 F.2d 1294
    , 1300 (9th Cir. 1979); see also
    United States v. Tarantino, 
    846 F.2d 1384
    , 1393 (D.C. Cir.
    1988) (applying similar principles in a case involving several
    defendants who were alleged members of an extensive drug
    conspiracy).
    8
    “Although conspirators must pursue the same criminal objective, a
    conspirator need not agree to commit or facilitate each and every part of
    the substantive offense.” Ocasio, 
    136 S. Ct. at 1429
     (internal quotation
    marks omitted and alteration adopted).
    9
    A defendant convicted of conspiracy may also be held criminally
    liable for substantive offenses committed by other members of the
    conspiracy, so long as the offenses were reasonably foreseeable and
    committed in furtherance of the conspiracy. See Pinkerton v. United
    States, 
    328 U.S. 640
    , 647–48 (1946); United States v. Sullivan, 
    522 F.3d 967
    , 977 (9th Cir. 2008) (per curiam). Such liability is not at issue here.
    The rule of coconspirator liability under Pinkerton applies when the
    government charges a defendant with substantive offenses that were
    committed by other members of the conspiracy, see Pinkerton, 
    328 U.S. at
    647–48, not when the government charges a defendant with the crime
    of conspiracy itself, see 
    id. at 645
    .
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    Second, the government must prove that the defendant
    had the “intent to effectuate the object of the conspiracy.”
    United States v. U.S. Gypsum Co., 
    438 U.S. 422
    , 443 n.20
    (1978); see also Salinas, 
    522 U.S. at 65
     (“A conspirator must
    intend to further an endeavor which, if completed, would
    satisfy all of the elements of a substantive criminal offense.”).
    The Supreme Court has established that “in order to sustain
    a judgment of conviction on a charge of conspiracy to violate
    a federal statute, the Government must prove at least the
    degree of criminal intent necessary for the substantive offense
    itself.” United States v. Feola, 
    420 U.S. 671
    , 686 (1975).
    Applying the foregoing framework to § 846, in order to
    convict a defendant of conspiracy, the government must
    prove beyond a reasonable doubt that (1) the defendant
    agreed with another person that some member of the
    conspiracy would commit the relevant underlying offense
    (here § 841(a)), and that (2) the defendant had the requisite
    intent necessary for a conviction of the underlying offense.10
    If the government satisfies its burden, the defendant “shall be
    subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the
    offense, the commission of which was the object of the
    attempt or conspiracy.” 
    21 U.S.C. § 846
    .
    10
    For a conspiracy offense under § 846, the government need not
    prove a level of criminal intent greater than that for the underlying
    offense, see infra Section III. Because the government need not prove that
    a defendant knew (or had an intent) with respect to a specific drug type
    and quantity in order to secure a conviction under § 841(a) and penalties
    under § 841(b)(1), see infra Section II.B, the government likewise need
    not prove such knowledge or intent for purposes of § 846.
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    B
    We now turn to the underlying offense at issue here,
    
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (a)(1), and the penalties prescribed for that
    offense under § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B). In particular, we focus on
    determining the requisite intent necessary for a conviction of
    § 841(a) and the imposition of the penalties under
    § 841(b)(A)–(B).
    1
    Section 841(a)(1) is straightforward. It states, “Except as
    authorized by this subchapter, it shall be unlawful for any
    person knowingly or intentionally—(1) to manufacture,
    distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture,
    distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance.” The text of
    the statute requires the government to prove beyond a
    reasonable doubt that the defendant (1) knowingly or
    intentionally (2) distributed11 (3) any “controlled substance,”
    which is defined as “a drug or other substance, or immediate
    precursor, included in” schedules I–V listed in 
    21 U.S.C. § 812
    . See 
    21 U.S.C. § 802
    (6); see also McFadden v. United
    States, 
    576 U.S. 186
    , 192 (2015) (holding that as used in
    § 841(a)(1), the phrase “a controlled substance” means “some
    unspecified substance listed on the federal drug schedules”).
    Section 841(a) does not prescribe any penalties. Instead,
    “any person who violates [§ 841(a)] shall be sentenced”
    pursuant to § 841(b), which sets out the applicable penalties
    when the violation involves specified predicate facts. Two
    penalty provisions in § 841(b) are at issue here, one for
    11
    For convenience, we use the term “distribute” and its variations to
    refer collectively to the actions prohibited by § 841(a)(1).
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    offenses involving methamphetamine and one for those
    involving heroin. The methamphetamine provision states:
    [A]ny person who violates subsection (a) of
    this section shall be sentenced as follows:
    (1)(A) In the case of a violation of
    subsection (a) of this section involving—
    ...
    (viii) 50 grams or more of
    methamphetamine, its salts, isomers,
    and salts of its isomers or 500 grams
    or more of a mixture or substance
    containing a detectable amount of
    methamphetamine, its salts, isomers,
    or salts of its isomers;
    such person shall be sentenced to a term of
    imprisonment which may not be less than
    10 years or more than life and if death or
    serious bodily injury results from the use of
    such substance shall be not less than 20 years
    or more than life, a fine not to exceed the
    greater of that authorized in accordance with
    the provisions of Title 18 or $10,000,000 if
    the defendant is an individual or $50,000,000
    if the defendant is other than an individual, or
    both.
    
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(1)(A)(viii). The heroin provision has the
    same structure, but applies to offenses involving “100 grams
    or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable
    20                     UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    amount of heroin” and imposes different terms of
    imprisonment and fine amounts. 12     
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(1)(B)(i).
    Before the Supreme Court’s decision in Apprendi v. New
    Jersey, 
    530 U.S. 466
     (2000), a defendant could be sentenced
    “pursuant to a finding made by a judge . . . under a
    preponderance of the evidence standard” because we
    understood the drug type and quantity in § 841(b) to be a
    “sentencing factor, not an element of the crime.” United
    States v. Nordby, 
    225 F.3d 1053
    , 1058 (9th Cir. 2000),
    overruled by United States v. Buckland, 
    289 F.3d 558
    , 568
    (9th Cir. 2002) (en banc); see also Buckland, 
    289 F.3d at
    564
    & n.2 (stating that “before Apprendi virtually everyone
    routinely treated drug quantity under § 841 as a ‘sentencing
    factor’ that need not be found beyond a reasonable doubt by
    a properly instructed jury”).
    12
    
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(1)(B)(i) states:
    (B) In the case of a violation of subsection (a) of this
    section involving–
    (i) 100 grams or more of a mixture or substance
    containing a detectable amount of heroin;
    ...
    such person shall be sentenced to a term of
    imprisonment which may not be less than 5 years and
    not more than 40 years and if death or serious bodily
    injury results from the use of such substance shall be
    not less than 20 years or more than life, a fine not to
    exceed the greater of that authorized in accordance with
    the provisions of Title 18 or $5,000,000 if the defendant
    is an individual or $25,000,000 if the defendant is other
    than an individual, or both.
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                     21
    This changed after Apprendi and Alleyne v. United States,
    
    570 U.S. 99
     (2013). As explained in Alleyne, the Sixth
    Amendment “provides that those accused of a crime have the
    right to a trial by an impartial jury,” and “[t]his right, in
    conjunction with the Due Process Clause, requires that each
    element of a crime be proved to the jury beyond a reasonable
    doubt.” 570 U.S. at 104 (cleaned up). To ensure this right,
    it is necessary to make a “proper designation of the facts that
    are elements of the crime.” Id. at 104–05. In this context,
    Apprendi held that “[o]ther than the fact of a prior conviction,
    any fact that increases the penalty for a crime beyond the
    prescribed statutory maximum” constitutes an element of the
    crime that “must be submitted to a jury, and proved beyond
    a reasonable doubt.” 
    530 U.S. at 490
    . Alleyne expanded on
    Apprendi, and held that any fact which increases a mandatory
    minimum also “constitutes an ‘element’ or ‘ingredient’ of the
    charged offense” and must be submitted to the jury. 570 U.S.
    at 107–08.
    Under Alleyne’s reasoning, the facts of drug type and
    quantity under § 841(b) constitute elements or ingredients of
    the crime because they affect the penalty that can be imposed
    on a defendant. Therefore, “in order to save [the] statute
    from unconstitutionality,” we reinterpreted § 841 as requiring
    such facts to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt to the jury.
    Buckland, 
    289 F.3d at
    564–68 (citation omitted). As made
    clear in Apprendi and Alleyne, however, the purpose of
    Buckland’s requirement is to protect a defendant’s Sixth and
    Fifth Amendment rights. We treat drug type and quantity as
    elements under section 841(b)(1) only for these constitutional
    purposes. See United States v. Toliver, 
    351 F.3d 423
    , 430
    22                  UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    (9th Cir. 2003), abrogated on other grounds by Blakely v.
    Washington, 
    542 U.S. 296
     (2004).13
    Because Apprendi and Alleyne “did not rewrite § 841(b)
    to add a new mens rea requirement,” United States v. Dado,
    
    759 F.3d 550
    , 570 (6th Cir. 2014), they do not assist us in
    determining the requisite mens rea necessary for the
    imposition of penalties under § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B), the issue
    now before us. Section 841(b)(1), unlike § 841(a), is silent as
    to any mens rea requirement. We must therefore determine
    whether Congress intended to require proof of a defendant’s
    mens rea with respect to the requisite drug type and quantity
    for the penalties in § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B) to apply. We turn to
    that issue next.
    2
    Section 841(a) makes it unlawful for anyone to
    “knowingly or intentionally” commit the offense of
    distributing a controlled substance. We must therefore decide
    “how far down” the text of the statute “the word ‘knowingly’
    is intended to travel.” Liparota v. United States, 
    471 U.S. 419
    , 424 n.7 (1985) (quoting W. LaFave & A. Scott, Criminal
    Law § 27 (1972)).
    13
    The dissent argues that Alleyne “reflects a broad concern about the
    unfairness of sentencing schemes in which the facts that are legally
    essential to the punishment need not be found beyond a reasonable doubt.”
    Dissent at 65. Contrary to the dissent, Alleyne did not hold that it was
    generally unfair for the district court to find facts that could increase the
    sentence for a “legally prescribed offense” by a preponderance of
    evidence. See Alleyne, 570 U.S. at 117. Rather, Alleyne held that it was
    unconstitutional (a violation of the Sixth and Fifth Amendment) for the
    court to find such a fact. Id.
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                           23
    In determining whether Congress intended a mens rea
    requirement in a criminal statute to apply to noncontiguous
    words or phrases, the Supreme Court uses ordinary tools of
    statutory interpretation. The Court starts “as always, with the
    language of the statute,” Dean v. United States, 
    556 U.S. 568
    ,
    572 (2009) (quoting Williams v. Taylor, 
    529 U.S. 420
    , 431
    (2000)), and considers the natural reading of the language
    using “ordinary English grammar,” Flores-Figueroa v.
    United States, 
    556 U.S. 646
    , 650 (2009). In Flores-Figueroa,
    for instance, the Court considered the language in 18 U.S.C.
    § 1028A(a)(1)—which punishes “[w]hoever . . . knowingly
    . . . uses . . . a means of identification of another person”—to
    determine whether “knowingly” applied to “means of
    identification of another person.”14 556 U.S. at 650. The
    Court held it did. Id. at 657. The statute’s adverb
    (“knowingly”) was placed before a transitive verb (“uses”)
    that has an object (“a means of identification of another
    person”). Id. at 650–51. Accordingly, it was “natural to
    read” this statutory language as establishing “how the subject
    performed the entire action, including the object as set forth
    in the sentence.” Id.; see also Rehaif v. United States, 
    139 S. Ct. 2191
    , 2195 (2019) (holding that the term “knowingly” in
    § 924(a)(2)—which imposes penalties on a person who
    “knowingly violates” certain subsections—“modifies the verb
    14
    Section 1028A(a)(1) states that:
    Whoever, during and in relation to any felony violation
    enumerated in subsection (c), knowingly transfers,
    possesses, or uses, without lawful authority, a means of
    identification of another person shall, in addition to the
    punishment provided for such felony, be sentenced to
    a term of imprisonment of 2 years.
    (emphasis added).
    24                    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    ‘violates’ and its direct object,” including a separate, cross-
    referenced statutory provision, 
    18 U.S.C. § 922
    (g)).15
    This rule is not rigid: the word “knowingly” does not
    necessarily apply to every word in “a long statutory phrase,
    such that questions may reasonably arise about how far into
    the statute the modifier extends.” Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2196
    ;
    see also United States v. Taylor, 
    239 F.3d 994
    , 997 (9th Cir.
    2001) (holding that the word “knowingly” in 
    18 U.S.C. § 2423
    (a), which makes it unlawful to “knowingly transpor[t]
    an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years in
    interstate or foreign commerce . . . with intent that the
    individual engage in prostitution,” does not require the
    15
    
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (a)(2) provides:
    Whoever knowingly violates subsection (a)(6), (d), (g),
    (h), (i), (j), or (o) of section 922 shall be fined as
    provided in this title, imprisoned not more than 10
    years, or both.
    
    18 U.S.C. § 922
    (g)(5)(A) provides:
    (g) It shall be unlawful for any person— . . .
    (5) who, being an alien—(A) is illegally or
    unlawfully in the United States . . . to . . . possess
    . . . any firearm or ammunition . . . .
    The Court read the word “knowingly” from § 924(a)(2) into § 922(g) and
    then applied the “knowingly” requirement to each of the elements in the
    statutory sentence in § 922(g)(5)(A) “that make a defendant’s behavior
    criminal.” Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2196
    .
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                          25
    government to prove that the defendant knew the victim’s
    age).16
    The Court also considers the “surrounding text and
    structure.” Maracich v. Spears, 
    570 U.S. 48
    , 76 (2013). In
    Dean, for instance, the Court interpreted 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c),
    which provides:
    [A]ny person who, during and in relation to
    any crime of violence or drug trafficking
    crime . . . uses or carries a firearm, or who, in
    furtherance of any such crime, possesses a
    firearm, shall, in addition to the punishment
    provided for such crime of violence or drug
    trafficking crime—
    (i) be sentenced to a term of
    imprisonment of not less than 5 years;
    (ii) if the firearm is brandished, be sentenced
    to a term of imprisonment of not less than
    7 years; and
    (iii)   if the firearm is discharged, be
    sentenced to a term of imprisonment of
    not less than 10 years.
    16
    Contrary to the dissent’s assertion, the Court does not count the
    number of words between the mens rea requirement and an element of the
    crime to aid its determination as to whether to apply the mens rea
    requirement. Dissent at 59. Rather, the Court begins by considering the
    natural reading of the statute using ordinary English grammar, and a
    grammatical sentence can nevertheless be quite long. See, e.g., Thomas
    R. Haggard, Justifiably Long Sentences, S.C. Law. Feb. 2000, at 11.
    26              UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    556 U.S. at 571 (quoting 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(1)(A)) (emphasis
    added). The Court held that there is no intent requirement
    with respect to subsection (iii). 
    Id.
     at 572–73. Although
    “Congress expressly included an intent requirement for
    [subsection (ii)]” by defining “brandish” in 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(4) to mean “to display all or part of the firearm . . .
    in order to intimidate that person,” it did not define
    “discharge” to include such an intent requirement. 
    Id.
    (emphasis omitted). “[W]here Congress includes particular
    language in one section of a statute but omits it in another
    section of the same Act, it is generally presumed that
    Congress acts intentionally and purposely in the disparate
    inclusion or exclusion.” 
    Id. at 573
     (quoting Russello v. United
    States, 
    464 U.S. 16
    , 23 (1983)).
    In addition to considering the text and structure of the
    statute, the Court recognizes the presumption, traceable to the
    common law, that “Congress intends to require a defendant
    to possess a culpable mental state regarding each of the
    statutory elements that criminalize otherwise innocent
    conduct.” Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2195
     (citation omitted). In
    applying this background principle, the Court has
    differentiated between statutes that are silent on mens rea,
    and those that include a mens rea requirement. Where a
    criminal statute is entirely silent on the mens rea required for
    a criminal offense, the Court presumes that Congress did not
    intend to “dispense with a conventional mens rea element,
    which would require that the defendant know the facts that
    make his conduct illegal.” Staples v. United States, 
    511 U.S. 600
    , 605 (1994). In such cases, the Court deems the
    presumption of mens rea to be rebutted only when there is a
    strong indication that Congress has created “‘public welfare’
    or ‘regulatory’ offenses” and imposed “a form of strict
    criminal liability through statutes that do not require the
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                            27
    defendant to know the facts that make his conduct illegal.”
    
    Id. at 606
    . Where a statute includes a mens rea requirement,
    such as § 841, we are not faced with the question whether
    Congress intended to dispense with a mens rea requirement
    entirely, as in Staples; rather, we must determine “how far
    into the statute [does § 841(a)’s “knowingly”] modifier
    extend[].” Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2196
    .17
    The presumption that Congress intended the defendant to
    possess a culpable mental state as to “each of the statutory
    elements that criminalize otherwise innocent conduct,” 
    id. at 2195
     (quoting United States v. X-Citement Video, Inc.,
    
    513 U.S. 64
    , 72 (1994)), is particularly appropriate when a
    different reading would have the effect of criminalizing “a
    broad range of apparently innocent conduct,” X-Citement
    Video, 
    513 U.S. at 71
     (citation omitted). Thus, in X-Citement
    Video, the Court concluded that the word “knowingly” in
    “knowingly transports . . . any visual depiction, if . . . such
    visual depiction involves the use of a minor,” 
    18 U.S.C. § 2252
    (a), also applied to the phrase “involves the use of a
    minor” because “the age of the performers is the crucial
    element separating legal innocence from wrongful conduct.”
    513 U.S. at 73. Similarly, in Rehaif, the Court held that the
    word “knowingly” in the phrase whoever “knowingly
    violates” § 922(g), which prohibits persons with certain
    statuses from possessing firearms, applied to the status
    element in § 922(g) because this reading “helps advance the
    purpose of scienter, for it helps to separate wrongful from
    innocent acts.” 
    139 S. Ct. at
    2196–97. The Court reasoned
    that “the possession of a gun can be entirely innocent,” and
    17
    Because Staples has little relevance to the “how far” question raised
    in our case, the dissent’s reliance on Staples, Dissent at 55–56, 62, is
    mistaken.
    28              UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    only the defendant’s status distinguished an innocent act from
    a wrongful one under the statute. 
    Id. at 2197
    .
    By contrast, absent statutory language suggesting
    otherwise, the scienter presumption does not apply to
    elements that do not separate innocent from wrongful
    conduct. See 
    id. at 2196
     (holding that because “jurisdictional
    elements normally have nothing to do with the wrongfulness
    of the defendant’s conduct, such elements are not subject to
    the presumption in favor of scienter”). Thus, the Court
    declined to apply this presumption in Dean because a
    defendant found guilty of violating 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c) “is
    already guilty of unlawful conduct twice over: a violent or
    drug trafficking offense and the use, carrying, or possession
    of a firearm in the course of that offense,” and the finding that
    the firearm is discharged (which is required under
    § 924(c)(1)(A)(iii) in order to impose a ten-year sentence)
    merely enhances the consequences for such unlawful acts.
    556 U.S. at 576; see also United States v. Crowder, 
    656 F.3d 870
    , 875 (9th Cir. 2011) (holding that the word “knowingly”
    in the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act
    (SORNA), 
    18 U.S.C. § 2250
    (a)—which imposes criminal
    penalties on any person who “knowingly fails to register or
    update a registration as required by [SORNA]”—does not
    apply to the phrase “as required by [SORNA]” because a
    defendant would know failing to register was “not an
    innocent act”).
    When the statutory language is ambiguous, the Court
    determines the meaning of the statutory text using other tools
    of statutory construction, including the rule of lenity, the
    canon of constitutional avoidance, and consistency with
    legislative history. Thus, in X-Citement Video, the Court
    noted that eliminating a scienter requirement as to the age of
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                    29
    the performers in a video involving sexual conduct “would
    raise serious constitutional doubts” given that “nonobscene,
    sexually explicit materials involving persons over the age of
    17 are protected by the First Amendment,” and it was
    “incumbent upon [the Court] to read the statute to eliminate
    those doubts so long as such a reading is not plainly contrary
    to the intent of Congress.” 513 U.S. at 72, 78. In cases of
    “grievous ambiguity or uncertainty in the statute,” Dean,
    
    556 U.S. at 577
     (quoting Muscarello v. United States,
    
    524 U.S. 125
    , 138–39 (1998)), the Court has also applied the
    “longstanding recognition of the principle that ambiguity
    concerning the ambit of criminal statutes should be resolved
    in favor of lenity,” Liparota, 
    471 U.S. at 427
     (citation
    omitted). Finally, the Court has considered legislative history
    but has generally given it little weight. See, e.g., Liparota,
    
    471 U.S. at
    430 n.13 (rejecting the government’s argument
    that the legislative history supports its position); Rehaif,
    
    139 S. Ct. at 2199
     (rejecting the government’s legislative
    history argument given that the history was “at best
    inconclusive”).
    3
    We now apply these principles to § 841 to determine
    whether the phrase “knowingly” in § 841(a) applies to the
    drug type and quantity set forth in § 841(b)(1).
    Section 841(a)(1) makes it unlawful for “any person
    knowingly or intentionally” to distribute “a controlled
    substance,” which is an “unspecified substance listed on the
    federal drug schedules.” McFadden, 576 U.S. at 192.
    Section 841(b)(1)(A)–(B) provide for the penalties to be
    imposed in the case of a § 841(a)(1) violation “involving”
    30                   UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    certain types and quantities of drugs. Unlike § 841(a),
    § 841(b)(1) is silent as to any mens rea requirement.
    “As a matter of ordinary English grammar,” it is natural
    to read the intent requirement of “knowingly or intentionally”
    as modifying only the elements contained in the statutory
    phrase defining the § 841(a)(1) offense, i.e., “distribute” and
    “a controlled substance.” See Flores-Figueroa, 
    556 U.S. at 650
    . Section 841(b) is not the object of the verbs in
    § 841(a)(1). Compare 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    , with Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2195
     (relying on the fact that, in § 924(a)(2), the adverb
    “knowingly” modifies the verb “violates” and its direct
    object, § 922(g)). There is no natural or ordinary way to read
    the intent requirement in § 841(a)(1) as modifying the drug
    types and quantities in § 841(b).
    While we begin by considering the natural reading of the
    language, see Flores-Figueroa, 
    556 U.S. at 650
    , we do not
    end there. We next turn to the structure and context of the
    statute. See Dean, 
    556 U.S. at 572
    . As in Dean, the structure
    of § 841(b) suggests that § 841(b)(1)(A)(viii) and
    § 841(b)(1)(B)(i) do not require proof that the defendant
    knew about the drug type and quantity. In § 841(b)(6),
    another provision in the same statute, Congress expressly
    provided that those who violate § 841(a) and “knowingly or
    intentionally use a poison . . . on Federal land,” thus causing
    specified harms, are subject to certain penalties.18 21 U.S.C.
    18
    
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(6) provides:
    Any person who violates subsection (a), or attempts to
    do so, and knowingly or intentionally uses a poison,
    chemical, or other hazardous substance on Federal land,
    and, by such use—
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                         31
    § 841(b)(6) (emphasis added). This language shows that
    Congress knew how to require proof of mens rea with respect
    to the predicate facts for sentences under § 841(b), and chose
    not to do so in § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B). “Where Congress
    includes particular language in one section of a statute but
    omits it in another section of the same Act, it is generally
    presumed that Congress acts intentionally and purposely in
    the disparate inclusion or exclusion.” Dean, 
    556 U.S. at 573
    (alteration adopted and quotation omitted). Moreover, if we
    were to interpret the intent requirement in § 841(a) as
    modifying the numerous sentencing facts included under
    § 841(b), the intent requirement in § 841(b)(6) would be
    surplusage. The “canon against surplusage is strongest”
    where, as here, “an interpretation would render superfluous
    another part of the same statutory scheme.” Marx v. Gen.
    Revenue Corp., 
    568 U.S. 371
    , 386 (2013).
    Because this redundancy fatally undermines the dissent’s
    position, the dissent attempts to distinguish § 841(b)(6) from
    § 841(b)(1). According to the dissent, while the mens rea
    requirement in § 841(a) travels to the various subsections of
    § 841(b)(1), it does not travel to § 841(b)(6) because this
    subsection specifies a “separate criminal act” of “us[ing] a
    (A) creates a serious hazard to humans, wildlife, or
    domestic animals,
    (B) degrades or harms the environment or natural
    resources, or
    (C) pollutes an aquifer, spring, stream, river, or
    body of water,
    shall be fined in accordance with Title 18 or imprisoned
    not more than five years, or both.
    32                 UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    poison, chemical, or other hazardous substance on Federal
    land.” Dissent at 63–64. And because the traveling mens rea
    requirement in § 841(a) cannot reach this “separate criminal
    act,” the dissent contends, Congress had to add an additional
    mens rea requirement to § 841(b)(6). Id.
    This argument has no support in grammar or caselaw.
    The structure of § 841(b)(1) and § 841(b)(6) is similar; both
    apply to “any person who violates subsection (a),” and list
    certain predicate facts that subject such person to specified
    penalties.19 As we have explained, there is no natural or
    grammatical way to read the mens rea in § 841(a)(1) as
    applying to the predicate facts in § 841(b)(1). Not
    surprisingly, it is equally unnatural and ungrammatical to
    read the mens rea in § 841(a)(1) to apply to the predicate facts
    in § 841(b)(6). The dissent fails to explain why it is more
    unnatural and ungrammatical to apply § 841(a)’s mens rea
    requirement to § 841(b)(6) than to § 841(b)(1), such that the
    mens rea travels to § 841(b)(1) but not § 841(b)(6). Nor has
    the dissent explained why it makes a difference that the
    conduct described in § 841(b)(6) (poisoning federal lands)
    could constitute a separate criminal act prosecutable under
    some other statute. Neither the Supreme Court nor we have
    endorsed any background principle that mens rea
    requirements are less likely to travel to predicate facts that
    can be prosecuted separately under other federal laws.
    19
    The predicate facts in § 841(b)(6) are not distinguishable from the
    predicate facts in § 841(b)(1) in any relevant way. Both subsections
    provide the predicate facts for sentencing purposes. When Congress
    wanted to establish independently prosecutable offenses in § 841, it added
    additional sections, such as § 841(g) (criminalizing internet sales of date
    rape drugs) and § 841(h) (criminalizing dispensing of controlled
    substances by means of the internet).
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                           33
    The presumption that Congress did not want to
    “criminalize a broad range of apparently innocent conduct,”
    X-Citement Video, 
    513 U.S. at 71
     (cleaned up), and the
    importance of scienter “in separating wrongful from innocent
    acts,” Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2196
    , do not undercut our reading
    of the statutory text here.20 Knowingly distributing a
    controlled substance in violation of § 841(a)(1) is not an
    “entirely innocent” act. Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2197
    .
    Regardless of the type and quantity of the controlled
    substance, there is no risk that a defendant would fail to
    understand the unlawful nature of the act. Our precedent is
    in accord; we have long recognized the basic rule that a
    defendant charged with a controlled substance offense “need
    not know the exact nature of the substance with which he was
    dealing,” but “can be convicted under § 841 . . . if he believes
    he has some controlled substance in his possession.” United
    States v. Ramirez-Ramirez, 
    875 F.2d 772
    , 774 (9th Cir. 1989)
    (quotation omitted) (collecting cases).
    Nor does the structure of § 841(a) and (b), providing
    different penalties for different drug types and quantities,
    raise an inference that some scienter is necessary. See Dean,
    
    556 U.S. at 573
    . Where a criminal statute does not provide
    a scienter requirement, the Court has held the imposition of
    harsh penalties on defendants who were unaware they were
    violating the law supports the inference that Congress did not
    intend to create a strict liability public welfare offense.
    20
    Contrary to the dissent’s suggestion, Dissent at 64–65, Judge (now
    Justice) Kavanaugh, in dissenting in United States v. Burwell, chose not
    to address the question of “how the presumption [of mens rea] applies to
    a fact that Congress made a sentencing factor but that must be treated as
    an element of the offense for Fifth and Sixth Amendment purposes.”
    
    690 F.3d 500
    , 540 n.13 (D.C. Cir. 2012) (en banc) (Kavanaugh, J.,
    dissenting).
    34              UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    Staples, 
    511 U.S. at 618
    . Such a concern is not implicated in
    § 841, under which the defendant must be found guilty of
    knowingly or intentionally distributing controlled substances.
    Once a defendant knowingly or intentionally violates federal
    law, “it is not unusual to punish individuals for the
    unintended consequences of their unlawful acts.” Dean,
    
    556 U.S. at 575
     (emphasis in original). The severity of a
    penalty need not be “precisely calibrated to the level of mens
    rea.” Burwell, 690 F.3d at 510 (citing Dean, 
    556 U.S. at 575
    ).
    Because the statutory language is not ambiguous, the
    other tools of statutory construction are unnecessary here. In
    any event, they do not conflict with our conclusion. First,
    defendants claim that the rule of lenity supports imposing
    mens rea requirements for the drug types and quantities in
    § 841(b). We disagree. The rule of lenity “applies only
    when, after consulting traditional canons of statutory
    construction, we are left with an ambiguous statute.” Shular
    v. United States, 
    140 S. Ct. 779
    , 787 (2020) (quotation
    omitted). “To invoke the rule, we must conclude that there is
    a grievous ambiguity or uncertainty in the statute.” Dean,
    
    556 U.S. at
    577 (citing Muscarello, 
    524 U.S. at
    138–39).
    Given the statutory text and structure of § 841(b), it is clear
    the provision does not contain an intent requirement and the
    defendants’ “contrary arguments are not enough to render the
    statute grievously ambiguous.” Id.
    Nor does the canon of constitutional avoidance require us
    to interpret § 841 as imposing a mens rea requirement for the
    drug type and quantity in order to avoid conflicting with the
    Due Process Clause and the Sixth Amendment. Congress’s
    decision not to impose a mens rea requirement is consistent
    with the Due Process Clause. That “the government must
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                   35
    prove that the defendant knew he was importing some
    amount of a controlled substance . . . is sufficient to ensure
    the statute penalizes only culpable conduct.” United States v.
    Jefferson, 
    791 F.3d 1013
    , 1018 (9th Cir. 2015). Similarly, the
    Sixth Amendment is not implicated, because the government
    is required to prove drug type and quantity to the jury beyond
    a reasonable doubt. See Buckland, 
    289 F.3d at 568
    . Apprendi
    and Alleyne do not affect the question whether the word
    “knowingly” applies to the drug types and quantities set out
    in § 841(b). The dissent’s argument to the contrary, Dissent
    at 54, “confuses the requisite burden of proof with the mens
    rea standard.” Jefferson, 791 F.3d at 1017 (citing Dado,
    759 F.3d at 570). We comply with the constitutional mandate
    announced in Apprendi and Alleyne by requiring drug type
    and quantity under § 841(b) to be found by a jury beyond a
    reasonable doubt. See Buckland, 
    289 F.3d at 568
    .
    Nor is recourse to legislative history necessary here.
    Where there is settled precedent on the interpretation of a
    statute, “we presume that when Congress reenacted the same
    language” in subsequent acts, “it adopted the earlier judicial
    construction of that phrase.” Helsinn Healthcare S.A. v. Teva
    Pharm. USA, Inc., 
    139 S. Ct. 628
    , 633–34 (2019). The
    judicial consensus that the government need not prove that
    the defendant “knowingly or intentionally” distributed a
    particular drug type and quantity has long been settled, see
    infra at 36 & n.21, and was not affected by the decisions in
    Apprendi or Alleyne. Indeed, Congress has amended § 841
    six times since Apprendi was decided (once since Alleyne),
    without altering the statutory framework. Cf. Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2199
     (there had been “no definitive judicial consensus”
    as to whether a defendant’s knowledge of his status was
    required under § 922(g), and Congress responded to the open
    question by amending the statute to include such an intent
    36                 UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    requirement). Accordingly, the structure of § 841(a)–(b)
    compels the conclusion that Congress did not intend to
    require the government to prove a defendant’s knowledge
    with respect to the drug type or quantity.
    Our analysis is consistent with our prior opinions, which
    concluded that no intent requirement applies to drug types
    and quantities under § 841. See United States v. Soto-Zuniga,
    
    837 F.3d 992
    , 1005 (9th Cir. 2016); see also Jefferson,
    791 F.3d at 1015. In Jefferson, on which Soto-Zuniga relied,
    we interpreted 
    21 U.S.C. § 960
    (a) and (b), which are
    substantially identical to § 841(a) and (b), and concluded that
    the government did not have “to prove that the defendant
    knew the type or quantity of the controlled substance he
    imported to obtain a conviction under § 960(a), or for the
    penalties under § 960(b) to apply.” 791 F.3d at 1015
    (citations omitted). We subsequently confirmed that this
    interpretation applies to § 841(a) and (b). See Soto-Zuniga,
    837 F.3d at 1005. In reaching this conclusion, we joined
    every other circuit to consider this issue; all have held that
    § 841(b)(1) does not require a finding of a defendant’s mens
    rea with respect to the drug type and quantity. 21
    21
    United States v. Collazo-Aponte, 
    281 F.3d 320
    , 326 (1st Cir. 2002);
    United States v. Andino, 
    627 F.3d 41
    , 45–47 (2d Cir. 2010); United States
    v. Barbosa, 
    271 F.3d 438
    , 458 (3d Cir. 2001); United States v. Brower,
    
    336 F.3d 274
    , 277 (4th Cir. 2003); United States v. Betancourt, 
    586 F.3d 303
    , 308–09 (5th Cir. 2009); Dado, 759 F.3d at 569–70; United States v.
    Carrera, 
    259 F.3d 818
    , 830 (7th Cir. 2001); United States v. Ramos,
    
    814 F.3d 910
    , 915–17 (8th Cir. 2016); United States v. De La Torre,
    
    599 F.3d 1198
    , 1204 (10th Cir. 2010); United States v. Sanders, 
    668 F.3d 1298
    , 1310 (11th Cir. 2012); United States v. Branham, 
    515 F.3d 1268
    ,
    1275–76 (D.C. Cir. 2008).
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                    37
    In sum, we conclude that in order to obtain a particular
    sentence under § 841(b)(1)(A)(viii) and § 841(b)(1)(B)(i) for
    a violation of § 841(a), the government must prove beyond a
    reasonable doubt the specific type and the quantity of
    substance involved in the offense, but not the defendant’s
    knowledge of (or intent) with respect to that type and
    quantity.
    III
    We have established in Section II.A, supra, that to convict
    the defendants of conspiracy under § 846 in this case, the
    government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that each
    defendant agreed with another person that some member of
    the conspiracy would commit a § 841(a) offense, and that
    each defendant had the requisite intent necessary for a
    § 841(a) conviction. We have also established in Section II.B,
    supra, that the requisite intent necessary for a § 841(a)
    conviction (and for the imposition of the penalties specified
    in § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B)) does not include knowledge of the
    relevant drug type or quantity. This concludes our
    explication of the elements of a § 846 conspiracy to commit
    a violation of § 841(a), and the imposition of penalties under
    § 841(b)(1). We now turn to defendants’ further arguments,
    and clarify that a conviction under § 846 does not require
    proof of a level of criminal intent greater than that required
    for the underlying offense merely because it is a conspiracy
    conviction.
    A
    The Supreme Court addressed the question whether a
    conspiracy conviction required a heightened mens rea in
    Feola. In that case, a defendant had been charged with
    38              UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    conspiracy (under the general federal conspiracy statute,
    
    18 U.S.C. § 371
    ) to assault a federal official in violation of
    
    18 U.S.C. § 111
    (a)(1). See Feola, 
    420 U.S. at
    672–73. The
    Court first determined that the underlying substantive offense
    did not require proof that the defendant intended “to assault
    a federal officer,” rather, the government had to prove only
    that the defendant intended to assault someone. 
    Id. at 684
    .
    The Court then considered “whether the rule should be
    different where persons conspire to commit” such an assault,
    
    id. at 686
    , and concluded that it should not, see 
    id.
     at 686–96.
    In so holding, the Court stated the general rule “that where
    knowledge of the facts giving rise to federal jurisdiction is
    not necessary for conviction of a substantive offense
    embodying a mens rea requirement, such knowledge is
    equally irrelevant to questions of responsibility for conspiracy
    to commit that offense.” 
    Id. at 696
    .
    In reaching this conclusion, Feola first considered
    whether the text of the conspiracy statute required proof of a
    greater intent than the intent required for the underlying
    offense. It concluded that § 371 (the conspiracy statute at
    issue) “offers no textual support for the proposition that” a
    defendant who agreed to assault an individual must have
    knowledge as to the employment status of the victim. Id. at
    687.
    Second, Feola concluded that “it is clear that one may be
    guilty as a conspirator for acts the precise details of which
    one does not know at the time of the agreement.” Id. at 692;
    see also id. at 694 (explaining the common law principle that
    “conspiracy is an inchoate crime,” which means that the
    agreement is, by definition, undeveloped). Feola therefore
    rejected the defendant’s argument “that it is improper to find
    conspiratorial liability where the parties to the illicit
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                      39
    agreement were not aware of” all the elements of the
    underlying offense “because the essence of conspiracy is
    agreement and persons cannot be punished for acts beyond
    the scope of their agreement.” 420 U.S. at 692.
    Third, Feola established the general principle that where
    an element of the underlying substantive offense does not
    include an intent requirement, the same will be true for a
    conspiracy to commit that offense, “unless one of the policies
    behind the imposition of conspiratorial liability is not served”
    by having the same intent. Id. at 693. According to the
    Court, the “two independent values served by the law of
    conspiracy” are: (1) “protection of society from the dangers
    of concerted criminal activity;” and (2) “intervention of the
    criminal law” at a “point in the continuum between
    preparation and consummation” of a criminal act when “the
    likelihood of a commission of an act is sufficiently great and
    the criminal intent sufficiently well formed.” Id. at 693–94.
    When applying this principle, the central question is whether
    the act of agreeing with another person that some member of
    the conspiracy will commit a crime is as blameworthy and
    dangerous to society as the act of the lone criminal who
    actually commits that same crime. If the agreement and the
    commission are equally opprobrious, the conspirator and the
    person who commits the act should be held to the same
    standard, at least with respect to intent. See id. In the federal
    assault statute at issue in Feola, knowledge of the victim’s
    identity was not necessary for conviction of the substantive
    offense, and thus was “equally irrelevant to questions of
    responsibility for conspiracy to commit that offense.” Id.
    at 696. Therefore, “its imposition . . . would serve only to
    make it more difficult to obtain convictions on charges of
    conspiracy, a policy with no apparent purpose.” Id. at 694.
    40              UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    Although Feola stated its specific holding in terms of
    “facts giving rise to federal jurisdiction,” id. at 696, its
    framework for determining whether the intent requirement for
    a conspiracy count is “greater than” the intent required for the
    underlying substantive offense, id. at 686, is generally
    applicable. First, Feola did not limit its analysis to
    jurisdictional facts it deemed extraneous to “the offense
    Congress intended to describe and to punish.” Id. at 676 n.9.
    To the contrary, Feola stated that labeling a requirement as
    “jurisdictional” does not mean the requirement “is viewed as
    outside the scope of the evil Congress intended to forestall.”
    Id. In the case before it, Feola deemed the status of the
    victim as a federal agent to be a significant component of the
    assault offense under § 111 because Congress sought “to
    protect the integrity of federal functions and the safety of
    federal officers.” Id. Given that the element of the assault
    offense regarding the victim’s status is not merely
    jurisdictional, Feola’s analysis readily applies to other
    elements of an offense.
    Second, we have previously reached the conclusion that
    “the rule of Feola” is a general one that requires “the same
    degree of intent for the conspiracy charge as is required by
    the underlying statute.” United States v. Thomas, 
    887 F.2d 1341
    , 1347 (9th Cir. 1989); see United States v. Hubbard,
    
    96 F.3d 1223
    , 1229 (9th Cir. 1996) (citing Feola, 
    420 U.S. at 696
    ) (holding that “a federal conspiracy conviction does
    not require a greater level of criminal intent than a conviction
    on the substantive count”). We have applied this general rule
    to contexts involving facts that were not jurisdictional. For
    instance, we held that when a person was charged with
    conspiracy to receive stolen explosives, the government did
    not have to prove the person knew the dynamite was stolen,
    but only that the person had “reasonable cause to believe”
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                           41
    that fact, which was the same degree of scienter required by
    the underlying offense. United States v. Karr, 
    742 F.2d 493
    ,
    497 (9th Cir. 1984); see also Thomas, 
    887 F.2d at 1347
    (explaining the ruling in Karr). Similarly, in United States v.
    Baker, we held that if a conviction of a violation of a federal
    statute does not require proof of an intent to violate that law,
    “neither does a conviction for conspiring to engage in
    activities which violate” that law. 
    63 F.3d 1478
    , 1493 (9th
    Cir. 1995).22
    B
    We apply Feola’s general rule here. Adhering to Feola’s
    analytical framework, we first start by examining the plain
    language of the conspiracy statute, 
    21 U.S.C. § 846
    . Like the
    general conspiracy statute, § 846 “offers no textual support”
    for the proposition that a defendant must possess a degree of
    intent as to the type and quantity of drug involved in the
    underlying offense.23 Rather, § 846’s requirement that a
    22
    The Eleventh Circuit has likewise applied Feola outside the context
    of jurisdictional facts. See, e.g., United States v. Whyte, 
    928 F.3d 1317
    ,
    1332 (11th Cir. 2019) (relying on Feola for the proposition that where the
    “offense of sex trafficking of a minor does not require knowledge of the
    victim’s status as a minor,” then the conspirator “cannot import such a
    requirement into her conspiracy offense.”); see also United States v.
    Duran, 
    596 F.3d 1283
    , 1296 (11th Cir. 2010) (holding that where a
    defendant has been charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign
    government without providing the required notification, the government
    does not have to prove the defendant knew of the notification requirement
    when the underlying substantive offense does not require proof of such
    knowledge).
    23
    Compare 
    18 U.S.C. § 371
     (“If two or more persons conspire either
    to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United
    States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one
    42                 UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    conspirator “shall be subject to the same penalties as those
    prescribed for the [underlying] offense” indicates that the
    penalties for a § 846 offense must be “the same” as the
    penalties for the underlying offense, which also suggests that
    the facts triggering those penalties must be “the same.” This
    undercuts the argument that Congress intended to require the
    government to prove a different (and heightened) mens rea in
    the conspiracy context.
    Second, because “it is clear that one may be guilty as a
    conspirator for acts the precise details of which one does not
    know at the time of the agreement,” Feola, 
    420 U.S. at 692
    ,
    the fact that a defendant (who has been convicted of
    conspiracy under § 846 for an agreement to violate § 841(a))
    may not have known about certain details regarding drug type
    and quantity does not preclude subjecting that defendant to a
    statutory penalty based on those unknown details. Therefore,
    we reject the defendants’ argument that conspirators who
    agree to distribute controlled substances cannot be punished
    unless they knew the specific drug type and amount to be
    distributed.
    Defendants argue that the Supreme Court revived this
    argument in Ocasio by referencing the “long-recognized
    principle[] of conspiracy law” that “the fundamental
    characteristic of a conspiracy is a joint commitment to an
    ‘endeavor which, if completed, would satisfy all of the
    or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,
    each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.”), with 
    21 U.S.C. § 846
     (“Any person who attempts or conspires
    to commit any offense defined in this subchapter shall be subject to the
    same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of
    which was the object of the attempt or conspiracy.”).
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                           43
    elements of the underlying substantive criminal offense.’”
    
    136 S. Ct. at 1429
     (alteration adopted) (quoting Salinas,
    
    522 U.S. at 65
    ). We disagree. Ocasio did not consider the
    specific question raised in Feola, let alone overrule Feola’s
    general rule. In fact, Ocasio never cited Feola. Because
    Ocasio merely recites a general common law principle
    without discussing how it applies in the context of
    determining a conspirator’s intent, we are bound by Feola’s
    specific direction.24
    Last, as indicated in Feola, we consider whether requiring
    the same mens rea for a § 846 conspiracy as for the
    underlying offense would fail to serve the values of
    protecting society from “the dangers of concerted criminal
    activity” or intervening in a criminal agreement before the
    criminal act took place. Feola, 
    420 U.S. at 693
    . As the Court
    held in Feola, we conclude that the offense of conspiracy to
    distribute a controlled substance is as “opprobrious” and
    dangerous to society as the act of the individual drug dealer
    who actually distributes the controlled substance. 
    Id.
    Because the acts are equally blameworthy, and the person
    who commits the underlying act need not know drug type and
    24
    For the same reason, we reject the views of the Fifth Circuit in
    United States v. Anderson, 
    932 F.3d 344
    , 352 (5th Cir. 2019). In
    Anderson, the Fifth Circuit held that where a person has been charged with
    conspiracy to receive money obtained from extortion, the government
    must prove that the conspirator knew the money was the proceeds of
    extortion, even though the underlying substantive offense does not require
    proof of such knowledge. 
    Id.
     Citing Ocasio, the Fifth Circuit reasoned
    that the “mens rea for conspiracy is distinct and more demanding” than for
    the underlying substantive count because the government must prove that
    the defendant agreed that some member of the conspiracy would commit
    every element of the offense. 
    Id.
     The Fifth Circuit stands alone with this
    approach. Because it fails to mention, let alone distinguish, Feola, which
    rejected a similar argument, we decline to follow it.
    44                    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    quantity, that knowledge “is equally irrelevant to questions of
    responsibility for conspiracy to commit that offense.” 
    Id. at 696
    . Moreover, as was the case in Feola, the imposition of
    an additional burden on the government to prove the
    conspirator’s knowledge of drug type and quantity “would
    serve only to make it more difficult to obtain convictions on
    charges of conspiracy, a policy with no apparent purpose.”
    
    Id. at 694
    .
    Accordingly, we conclude that to obtain a conviction and
    a particular sentence for conspiracy to distribute controlled
    substances under § 846, the government must prove only that
    the defendant’s mental state was the same as if the defendant
    had been charged with the underlying offense. Applying that
    principle here, the government need not prove the defendant’s
    knowledge of the drug type and quantity under § 841(b).
    IV
    While our conclusion is grounded in the text of the statute
    and principles of conspiracy law, it is markedly different
    from how we have previously characterized the framework
    for determining drug type and quantity when a defendant is
    charged under § 846 or § 841.25 We briefly explain why our
    prior approach, which heavily relied on the formulation in the
    Guidelines, was mistaken.
    The Guidelines provides detailed advisory guidance to
    federal judges in determining the sentencing range for a
    convicted defendant. “As a matter of administration and to
    secure nationwide consistency, the Guidelines should be the
    starting point and the initial benchmark” for all sentencing.
    25
    This was the crux of the dispute between the parties.
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                             45
    Gall v. United States, 
    552 U.S. 38
    , 49 (2007). But we do not
    defer to the Guidelines when interpreting criminal statutes.
    See United States v. Morales, 
    590 F.3d 1049
    , 1052 (9th Cir.
    2010) (“Of course, the [Sentencing] Commission can’t tell
    federal courts how to interpret statutes.”). Therefore, while
    the relevant sections of the Guidelines guide a court’s post-
    conviction sentencing determinations, we may not rely on
    them when determining what is required for a conviction and
    statutory sentence.
    Under the Guidelines, after a defendant has been
    convicted for violating § 846 or § 841, a district court must
    refer to Chapter Two, Part D of the Guidelines, “Offenses
    involving Drugs.” See U.S.S.G. § 2D (2018). For a drug
    trafficking offense, including conspiracy to commit such an
    offense, the Guidelines specifies more than one base offense
    level (depending on drug type and quantity, among other
    things) and identifies several specific offense characteristics
    that can affect the offense level.26 See U.S.S.G. § 2D1.1
    (2018). To determine the appropriate offense level for any
    given defendant, the Guidelines directs courts to consider
    certain “relevant conduct.” See U.S.S.G. §§ 1B1.2(b) &
    1B1.3 (2018). The Guidelines defines the term “relevant
    conduct” to mean:
    in the case of a jointly undertaken criminal
    activity (a criminal plan, scheme, endeavor, or
    enterprise undertaken by the defendant in
    concert with others, whether or not charged as
    26
    For example, an offense level is increased by two levels when “the
    object of the offense was the distribution of a controlled substance in a
    prison, correctional facility, or detention facility.” U.S.S.G.§ 2D1.1(b)(4)
    (2018).
    46                 UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    a conspiracy), all acts and omissions of others
    that were—
    (i) within the scope of the jointly
    undertaken criminal activity,
    (ii) in furtherance of that criminal activity,
    and
    (iii)  reasonably foreseeable in
    connection with that criminal activity;
    that occurred during the commission of the
    offense of conviction, in preparation for that
    offense, or in the course of attempting to
    avoid detection or responsibility for that
    offense.
    U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3(a)(1)(B) (2018).27 Although § 1B1.3(a)
    limits a defendant’s accountability for sentencing purposes,
    the application notes to § 1B1.3 acknowledge that the
    Guidelines does not purport to establish standards of criminal
    liability. See U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3, cmt. n.1 (2018).
    27
    The meaning of the term “relevant conduct” in the context of a
    jointly undertaken criminal activity has changed over the years. For
    example, in 1991, the term “relevant conduct” included “all acts and
    omissions . . . for which the defendant would be otherwise accountable,”
    U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3(a)(1) (1991), and the application notes explained that
    the “[c]onduct for which the defendant ‘would be otherwise accountable’
    . . . includes conduct of others in furtherance of the execution of the
    jointly-undertaken criminal activity that was reasonably foreseeable by the
    defendant,” U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3, cmt. n.1 (1991). The Guidelines did not
    include the “within the scope” requirement until 2015. See U.S.S.G.
    § 1B1.3(a)(1)(B) (2015).
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                           47
    Under the “relevant conduct” standard, a defendant’s
    offense level is determined based on the conduct of
    coconspirators only if the conduct falls “within the scope of
    the jointly undertaken criminal activity,” is committed “in
    furtherance of that criminal activity,” and is “reasonably
    foreseeable in connection with that criminal activity.”28
    U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3, cmt. n.3(A) (2018). The Guidelines
    apparently borrowed this standard from Pinkerton, which
    limits a defendant’s liability for substantive offenses
    committed by coconspirators to include only those acts that
    were “done in furtherance of the conspiracy,” fell “within the
    scope of the unlawful project,” and were “part of the
    ramifications of the plan” which could be “reasonably
    foreseen as a necessary or natural consequence of the
    unlawful agreement.” Pinkerton, 
    328 U.S. at
    647–48. But
    Pinkerton clearly distinguishes between conspiracy and a
    substantive offense, see 
    328 U.S. at 643
    , while the Guidelines
    does not. Rather, the Guidelines adopts Pinkerton’s rule of
    coconspirator liability and applies it “in the case of a jointly
    undertaken criminal activity . . . whether or not charged as a
    conspiracy.” U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3(a)(1)(B) (2018); see also
    U.S.S.G. § 1B1.3, cmt. n.1 (1991) (same).
    Perhaps due to the fact that Congress originally made the
    Guidelines “mandatory and binding on all judges,” United
    States v. Booker, 
    543 U.S. 220
    , 233 (2005), we failed to make
    a distinction between the Guidelines and the sentencing
    factors set forth in § 841(b). The misstep dates back to
    United States v. Becerra, which involved a challenge to the
    district court’s imposition of 20-year sentences on two
    28
    Such a sentencing determination must be supported by a
    preponderance of the evidence. See United States v. Perez, 
    962 F.3d 420
    ,
    448 (9th Cir. 2020).
    48             UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO
    defendants who had been part of a conspiracy to sell
    narcotics. See 
    992 F.2d 960
    , 966 (9th Cir. 1993). The
    defendants argued that the sentence was erroneous because
    the transaction, which had involved 25 kilograms of cocaine,
    was neither reasonably foreseeable nor within the scope of
    the conspiracy. 
    Id.
     Relying on the 1991 version of the
    Guidelines, which provided that “each conspirator may be
    sentenced only for the quantity of drugs that he reasonably
    foresaw would be distributed or that fell within the scope of
    his own agreement with his co-conspirators,” Becerra upheld
    one defendant’s sentence and reversed the other’s. 
    Id.
     at
    966–67. Becerra noted, in a footnote, that this mandatory
    standard would apply with equal force to 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b).
    See 
    id.
     at 967 n.2 (“We see no reason why sentencing under
    the statutory mandatory minimums should differ [from
    sentencing under the Guidelines, because the statutory
    minimums] are, in essence, part of the Guidelines scheme.”).
    Following Becerra, we interpreted § 841 as if it directly
    incorporated the standard adopted by the Guidelines. See
    United States v. Banuelos, 
    322 F.3d 700
    , 704 (9th Cir. 2003).
    Banuelos held that in order to subject a conspirator to a
    mandatory minimum or statutory maximum sentence under
    § 841(b), the type and quantity of the substance involved in
    the conspiracy must either have fallen “within the scope of
    the defendant’s agreement with his coconspirators” or have
    been “reasonably foreseeable to the defendant.” Id.
    Our error in Becerra and Banuelos was the failure to
    recognize that the rule of coconspirator liability for
    substantive offenses in Pinkerton, which was incorporated
    into the Guidelines and applied regardless of whether the
    charge was conspiracy or a substantive offense, does not
    apply to the liability determination for a § 846 conspiracy
    offense. As a result of this error, our cases mistakenly
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                            49
    focused on the question whether we should adjust our
    interpretation of § 846 and § 841(b) in accordance with the
    Guidelines’ shifting formulation, rather than whether that
    formulation is applicable at all. See United States v. Torres,
    
    869 F.3d 1089
    , 1095–1100 (9th Cir. 2017) (Ikuta, J., specially
    concurring).
    We now overrule Becerra and its progeny to the extent
    they depart from our decision today. Because Pinkerton
    addresses when a defendant can be liable for substantive
    offenses committed by coconspirators, it is irrelevant to a
    defendant’s liability for conspiracy. To the extent § 1B1.3 or
    other applicable Guidelines provisions incorporate Pinkerton,
    they cannot guide our statutory analysis when the defendants
    are charged only with conspiracy.
    In reaching this conclusion, we join the well reasoned
    opinion of the Sixth Circuit, which is grounded in the text of
    the statute. See United States v. Robinson, 
    547 F.3d 632
     (6th
    Cir. 2008). We note our departure from the other circuits,
    which have largely made errors that echo our own.29 Some
    circuits rely on Pinkerton without acknowledging the
    29
    See United States v. Pizarro, 
    772 F.3d 284
     (1st Cir. 2014); United
    States v. Martinez, 
    987 F.2d 920
     (2d Cir. 1993); United States v. Phillips,
    
    349 F.3d 138
     (3d Cir. 2003), vacated on other grounds, Barbour v. United
    States, 
    543 U.S. 1102
     (2005); United States v. Collins, 
    415 F.3d 304
     (4th
    Cir. 2005); United States v. Haines, 
    803 F.3d 713
     (5th Cir. 2015); United
    States v. Seymour, 
    519 F.3d 700
     (7th Cir. 2008); United States v. Littrell,
    
    439 F.3d 875
     (8th Cir. 2006); United States v. Ellis, 
    868 F.3d 1155
     (10th
    Cir. 2017); United States v. Stoddard, 
    892 F.3d 1203
     (D.C. Cir. 2018).
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    difference between conspiracy and the substantive offense.30
    See, e.g., Stoddard, 892 F.3d at 1221. Other circuits rely on
    the Guidelines. See, e.g., Haines, 803 F.3d at 740; United
    States v. Irvin, 
    2 F.3d 72
    , 77 (4th Cir. 1993). And it appears
    that two circuits have adopted one approach for mandatory
    minimum sentences and a different approach for statutory
    maximum sentences. See Pizarro, 772 F.3d at 292–93;
    Haines, 803 F.3d at 741–42. For the reasons explained
    above, we are not persuaded by the reasoning of those circuits
    that have relied on Pinkerton, the Guidelines, or both.
    Even though the Guidelines does not impact our
    interpretation of the statute, the Guidelines works with the
    statute to ensure that a defendant is not exposed to unlimited
    liability. Once a defendant is convicted and the statutory
    sentencing range is established by the jury’s factual findings,
    the district court must follow the Guidelines, which will
    establish a fair sentence based on an individualized
    assessment of accountability. “Under the Guidelines each
    conspirator, for sentencing purposes, is to be judged not on
    the distribution made by the entire conspiracy but on the basis
    of the quantity of drugs which he reasonably foresaw or
    which fell within ‘the scope’ of his particular agreement with
    the conspirators.” United States v. Petty, 
    992 F.2d 887
    , 890
    (9th Cir. 1993).
    30
    The Fourth Circuit concedes that “[t]he principles outlined in
    Pinkerton” do not apply to conspiracy under § 846, but it nevertheless
    requires a jury to be instructed in Pinkerton principles when determining
    the substance type and quantity involved in a conspiracy. Collins,
    
    415 F.3d at 313, 314
    .
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                   51
    V
    We now apply our approach to the case on appeal. Each
    defendant was indicted for conspiracy under § 846 to
    distribute controlled substances in violation of § 841(a)(1).
    At trial, the jury was instructed that if it found the
    defendant guilty of the conspiracy charge, it had to determine
    “whether the government proved beyond a reasonable doubt
    that the amount of [the specified drug] that was reasonably
    foreseeable to him or fell within the scope of his particular
    agreement equaled or exceeded” a specified amount.
    Although the district court was not at fault in attempting to
    rely on our confusing precedent, we now conclude that this
    instruction was erroneous. As we have explained, a
    defendant convicted of conspiracy under § 846 is subject to
    a penalty under § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B) if the government has
    proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the underlying
    § 841(a)(1) offense involved the drug type and quantity set
    forth in § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B). The government does not have
    to prove that the defendant had any knowledge or intent with
    respect to those facts.
    A jury instruction misstating the law is subject to
    harmless error review. United States v. Conti, 
    804 F.3d 977
    ,
    980 (9th Cir. 2015). An erroneous jury instruction will be
    deemed harmless if the “reviewing court concludes beyond a
    reasonable doubt that the omitted [or misstated] element was
    uncontested and supported by overwhelming evidence, such
    that the jury verdict would have been the same absent the
    error.” Neder v. United States, 
    527 U.S. 1
    , 17 (1999). In this
    case, the erroneous jury instructions could amount to
    harmless error if there was overwhelming evidence that each
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    defendant entered into an agreement involving the requisite
    drug type and quantity.
    To safeguard a criminal defendant’s Sixth Amendment
    guarantee to a jury trial, the reviewing court must “conduct a
    thorough examination of the record.” 
    Id. at 19
    . Given the
    numerous issues raised on appeal and the extensive record
    from the ten-day jury trial, we find it appropriate to return
    this case to the three-judge panel to reconsider both the
    harmless error issue and the balance of the issues raised by
    the parties in light of this opinion, and to enter an appropriate
    judgment.31 See, e.g., Gonzalez Batoon v. INS, 
    791 F.2d 681
    ,
    686 (9th Cir. 1986) (en banc).
    REMANDED to the three-judge panel.
    W. FLETCHER, Circuit Judge, with whom THOMAS, Chief
    Circuit Judge, and NGUYEN, WATFORD, and HURWITZ,
    Circuit Judges, join, dissenting:
    Under 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (a)(1), it is illegal for a person
    “knowingly or intentionally” to “possess with intent to . . .
    distribute . . . a controlled substance.” It has long been the
    law in this circuit that “a defendant who has knowledge that
    he possesses a controlled substance may have the state of
    mind necessary for conviction even if he does not know
    31
    We also leave for the panel the issue of whether the erroneous jury
    instruction should be reviewed for plain error with respect to Delgado-
    Vidaca and Ballesteros, given that Delgado-Vidaca did not expressly join
    the objection at trial, and that Ballesteros did not raise the issue on appeal
    in either his opening or reply brief.
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                    53
    which controlled substance he possesses.” United States v.
    Jewell, 
    532 F.2d 697
    , 698 (9th Cir. 1976) (en banc); see also
    McFadden v. United States, 
    576 U.S. 186
    , 192 (2015) (“The
    ordinary meaning of § 841(a) . . . requires a defendant to
    know only that the substance he is dealing with is some
    unspecified substance listed on the federal drug schedules.”).
    In general, if the offense involves a Schedule I or Schedule II
    controlled substance (absent aggravating circumstances not
    at issue here), the defendant may upon conviction receive a
    sentence of “not more than twenty years.” 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(1)(C). In such a case, there is no mandatory
    minimum sentence. 
    Id.
    For eight specified Schedule I and II controlled
    substances, however, §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B) provide
    for mandatory minimum sentences that differ depending on
    the particular substance and quantity. For example, if a
    defendant distributes 50 or more grams of methamphetamine,
    the mandatory minimum sentence is ten years and the
    permissible maximum sentence is life.                See id.
    § 841(b)(1)(A)(viii). If a defendant distributes 100 or more
    grams of a substance containing a detectable amount of
    heroin, the mandatory minimum sentence is five years and the
    permissible maximum sentence is forty years. See id.
    § 841(b)(1)(B)(i). If death or bodily injury results from the
    distribution, the mandatory minimum sentence under both
    §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B) is twenty years.
    The defendants in this case were charged with conspiring,
    in violation of 
    21 U.S.C. § 846
    , to distribute 50 grams or
    more of methamphetamine and 100 grams or more of a
    substance containing a detectable amount of heroin, in
    violation of §§ 841(a)(1), 841(b)(1)(A)(viii) and (b)(1)(B)(i).
    According to the majority, once the government proves
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    beyond a reasonable doubt that a defendant knowingly or
    intentionally distributed a controlled substance, and that
    substance turns out to be one of the eight controlled
    substances in an amount specified by §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and
    (b)(1)(B), a mandatory minimum and enhanced maximum
    sentence automatically apply. The sentences for a violation
    of § 841(a)(1) are thus dramatically and mandatorily
    increased in the absence of any mens rea as to drug type and
    amount. I respectfully disagree.
    Any crime whose penalty is increased by law based on a
    specified fact is an “aggravated crime.” Alleyne v. United
    States, 
    570 U.S. 90
    , 113 (2013). “Any fact that, by law,
    increases the penalty for a crime is an ‘element’” of the
    crime. 
    Id. at 103
    ; see also Apprendi v. New Jersey, 
    530 U.S. 466
     (2000). Any such fact must be submitted to the jury and
    proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Alleyne, 570 U.S. at 116.
    There is a strong presumption that Congress intends to
    require a culpable mens rea as to every element of a crime.
    See, e.g., Rehaif v. United States, 
    139 S. Ct. 2191
    , 2195
    (2019); Flores-Figueroa v. United States, 
    556 U.S. 646
    , 650
    (2009). Applying that presumption, I would hold that when
    the government seeks enhanced penalties under
    §§ 841(b)(1)(A) or (b)(1)(B)—specifically, the mandatory
    minimums and increased statutory maximums that do not
    exist for Schedule I or II drug violations charged under
    § 841(b)(1)(C)—it must prove the defendant “knowingly or
    intentionally” distributed the actual controlled substance and
    quantity charged under §§ 841(b)(1)(A) or (b)(1)(B).
    I. Presumption of Mens Rea
    “[T]he existence of a mens rea is the rule of, rather than
    the exception to, the principles of Anglo-American criminal
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                     55
    jurisprudence.” United States v. United States Gypsum Co.,
    
    438 U.S. 422
    , 436 (1978) (internal quotation marks omitted).
    William Blackstone wrote that it is “absurd” to apply the
    same punishment to “crimes of different malignity.”
    4 William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England
    17 (1769). In the leading nineteenth-century treatise, Joel
    Prentiss Bishop wrote that punishment requires concurrence
    between mens rea and the wrong inflicted because “the evil
    intended is the measure of a man’s desert of punishment.”
    1 Joel Prentiss Bishop, Commentaries on the Criminal Law
    § 334 (7th ed. 1882). Justice Robert Jackson wrote in
    Morissette v. United States that the relation between mens rea
    and punishment is “almost as instinctive as the child’s
    familiar exculpatory ‘But I didn’t mean to.’” 
    342 U.S. 246
    ,
    251 (1952).
    The presumption of mens rea reinforces other
    foundational principles of criminal law. First, a person’s
    mistake of fact ordinarily mitigates guilt and resulting
    punishment. As Justice Jackson wrote, the law often
    recognizes “good faith or blameless intent as a defense,
    partial defense, or as an element to be considered in
    mitigation of punishment.” 
    Id. at 265
    . Second, a person
    should have fair notice as to the likely consequences of
    voluntary acts. The terms in a penal statute defining an
    offense “must be sufficiently explicit to inform those who are
    subject to it what conduct on their part will render them liable
    to its penalties.” Connally v. Gen. Const. Co., 
    269 U.S. 385
    ,
    391 (1926).
    The Supreme Court has never insisted that Congress
    clearly state its intention to require mens rea as part of the
    definition of a crime. Indeed, in one case the Court relied on
    the presumption to conclude that a mens rea is required
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    despite the complete absence of mens rea language anywhere
    in the statute. See Staples v. United States, 
    511 U.S. 600
    , 619
    (1994). It necessarily follows that the presumption applies
    “with equal or greater force” when Congress includes an
    explicit mens rea provision. Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2195
    . A
    severe criminal penalty makes the already strong presumption
    even stronger, for the severity of the penalty is a “significant
    consideration” in determining whether Congress intended to
    require a mens rea. Staples, 
    511 U.S. at 616
    ; see also United
    States v. X-Citement Video, Inc., 
    513 U.S. 64
    , 72 (1994)
    (pointing to the harsh penalty as a reason to apply the
    presumption). The presumption is overridden only if
    Congress makes plain that it intends to forego a mens rea
    requirement. Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2195
    .
    There are two exceptions to the presumption of mens rea,
    neither of which applies in the case before us. First, there is
    an exception for “public welfare” offenses. See 
    id. at 2197
    .
    The public welfare exception applies only to statutes that
    provide for “light penalties such as fines or short jail
    sentences,” Staples, 
    511 U.S. at 616
    , or where “conviction
    does no grave damage to an offender’s reputation,”
    Morissette, 246 U.S. at 342. Second, mens rea is not required
    for a jurisdictional element of a crime, such as a requirement
    that a firearm traveled in interstate commerce, because such
    elements have no bearing on the wrongfulness of a
    defendant’s conduct. Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2196
    .
    There is a strong presumption that a mens rea requirement
    exists for all elements of a crime. See 
    id.
     at 2195 (citing
    Model Penal Code § 2.02(4), (Am. L. Inst. 1985) (when a
    statute prescribes a level of culpability, it applies to “all the
    material elements of the offense, unless a contrary purpose
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                   57
    plainly appears”)). In two cases, the Supreme Court has
    explained what constitutes an “element.”
    In Apprendi, the Court held that a fact underlying a
    sentencing enhancement beyond the statutory maximum is an
    element of the crime, disagreeing with New Jersey’s
    contention that a fact resulting in a higher sentence was a
    mere “sentencing factor.” 
    530 U.S. at 492
    . Rather, the Court
    explained, the question of whether a fact is an element of the
    crime is “one not of form, but of effect.” 
    Id. at 494
    . Courts
    must ask whether the fact exposes the defendant to greater
    punishment. 
    Id.
    In Alleyne, the Court applied Apprendi to a statute
    describing a “core crime” and prescribing escalating criminal
    penalties depending on particular facts specified in the
    statute. See 570 U.S. at 111–16. The core crime was using
    or carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. A
    defendant who committed the core crime, without more, was
    subject to a 5-year mandatory minimum. A defendant who
    “brandishe[d]” the firearm in committing the core crime was
    subject to a 7-year mandatory minimum. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(1)(A)(i)–(ii). The Court wrote that “facts increasing
    the legally prescribed floor aggravate the punishment” and
    “heighten[] the loss of liberty associated with the crime.”
    Alleyne, 570 U.S. at 113 (emphasis in original). “[T]he core
    crime and the fact triggering the mandatory minimum
    sentence together constitute a new, aggravated crime.” Id.
    According to the Court, “Any fact that, by law, increases the
    penalty for a crime is an ‘element.’” Id. at 103. Any such
    fact must be submitted to the jury and proved beyond a
    reasonable doubt. Id. at 116.
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    To give effect to the presumption of mens rea, the Court
    has been “reluctan[t] to simply follow the most grammatical
    reading of [a] statute.” X-Citement Video, 
    513 U.S. at 70
    . X-
    Citement Video is a prime example of ignoring the niceties of
    grammar. The statute at issue provided:
    (a) Any person who—
    (1) knowingly transports or ships using
    any means or facility of interstate or
    foreign commerce or in or affecting
    interstate or foreign commerce by any
    means including by computer or mails,
    any visual depiction, if—
    (A) the producing of such visual
    depiction involves the use of a minor
    engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
    and
    (B) such visual depiction is of such
    conduct;
    ...
    shall be punished as provided in
    subsection (b) of this section.
    
    18 U.S.C. § 2252
    (a). The question was whether the mens rea
    of “knowingly” required that defendants not only knew that
    they were transporting or shipping a “visual depiction” of
    “sexually explicit conduct,” but also required that they knew
    that the depiction “involve[d] the use of a minor engaging in
    [that] conduct.” 
    Id.
    UNITED STATES V. COLLAZO                   59
    Our court had held in X-Citement Video that the mens rea
    requirement applied only to the act of transporting the
    depiction of sexually explicit conduct. United States v. X-
    Citement Video, Inc., 
    982 F.2d 1285
    , 1289–90 (9th Cir.
    1992). We had held that mens rea requirement did not
    require knowledge that the depiction involved the use of a
    minor. See 
    id. at 1292
     (stating that applying mens rea to this
    element would be “judicial rewriting of [the] statute”). The
    Supreme Court reversed. In an opinion by Chief Justice
    Rehnquist, the Court held that the knowledge mens rea
    applied to both elements of the crime. The Court held that
    “knowingly” modified the phrase “involves the use of a
    minor,” even though the key phrase was not the phrase
    directly modified by the adverb. X-Citement Video, 513 U.S.
    at 68–70.
    Further, the Supreme Court has allowed a considerable
    distance between the words specifying the mens rea and the
    words describing the element of the crime. In X-Citement
    Video, the adverb “knowingly” was separated from “involves
    the use of a minor” by twenty-six words. In Rehaif, the word
    specifying the mens rea and the words specifying elements of
    the crime were in entirely different sections of Title 18.
    Section 924(a)(2) provided a penalty of up to 10 years’
    imprisonment for “knowingly” engaging in acts with several
    different factual predicates. The acts were identified in
    § 924(a)(2) only by cross-references to subsections in § 922.
    Among the factual predicates in § 922(g) were two relevant
    to the defendant: (1) that the defendant possessed a firearm,
    and (2) that the defendant was an alien unlawfully in the
    United States. The question was whether the government
    needed to prove that a defendant charged with violating
    § 924(a)(2) knew both that he possessed a firearm and that his
    status at the time of possession was as an alien unlawfully in
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    the country. The Court held that Congress intended mens rea
    as to all material elements of the crime, even those in the
    separate section of the statute. Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2196
    .
    II. Aggravated Crimes under §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and
    841(b)(1)(B)
    Subsection 841(a)(1) criminalizes conduct with respect to
    a wide range of controlled substances and quantities, with a
    correspondingly wide range of penalties, as specified in
    § 841(b)(1). Subsection 841(a)(1) provides that “it shall be
    unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally to
    manufacture, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to
    manufacture, distribute or dispense, a controlled substance.”
    (Emphasis added.) The general punishment for § 841(a)(1)
    violations involving Schedule I and II substances is up to
    twenty years in prison, with no mandatory minimum
    sentence. 
    21 U.S.C. § 841
    (b)(1)(C).
    However, §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B), when combined
    with § 841(a)(1), describe “aggravated crimes” under Alleyne,
    570 U.S. at 113. When a forbidden act with respect to one of
    eight specific Schedule I or II controlled substances is
    charged under §§ 841(b)(1)(A) or (b)(1)(B), mandatory
    minimum and higher maximum sentences apply. Section
    841(b)(1)(A) provides a “term of imprisonment” of “not . . .
    less than 10 years or more than life . . .” for eight controlled
    substances meeting or exceeding specified quantities.
    Subsection 841(b)(1)(B) provides for an imprisonment term
    of “not . . . less than 5 years and not more than 40 years . . .”
    for the same eight substances in lesser quantities. If death or
    bodily injury results from the manufacture, distribution or
    dispensation, the mandatory minimum sentence under both
    §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B) is increased to twenty years.
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    We are concerned in this case with two of the controlled
    substances and quantities listed in §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and
    (b)(1)(B). Defendants were charged with conspiring to
    distribute controlled substances and quantities listed in
    § 841(b)(1)(A)(viii) (methamphetamine, a Schedule II
    substance) and § 841(b)(1)(B)(i) (heroin, a Schedule I
    substance).
    This should be an easy case. The structure of § 841 is
    clear and straightforward. Subsection 841(a)(1) prohibits
    certain knowing or intentional acts with respect to controlled
    substances.     Subsections 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B),
    immediately following, prescribe mandatory enhanced
    penalties for eight specified Schedule I and II controlled
    substances in specified quantities. Under § 841(b)(1)(C),
    unless death or serious bodily injury results, no mandatory
    minimum applies to violations of § 841(a)(1). But under
    § 841(b)(1)(A)(viii), a sentence of not less than 10 years and
    no more than life applies to an offense involving 50 grams or
    more of methamphetamine. Under § 841(b)(1)(B)(i), a
    sentence of not less than five years and no more than 40 years
    applies to an offense involving between 100 grams or more
    of a substance containing a detectable amount of heroin.
    Under Alleyne, the specific controlled substance and its
    quantity are elements of the aggravated crimes created by the
    combination of § 841(a)(1) and §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and
    (b)(1)(B). Even without the presumption that mens rea
    applies to all elements of a crime, I would conclude that a
    plain reading of § 841 indicates that Congress intended to
    require the government to prove knowledge or intent with
    respect to the controlled substances and quantities specified
    in §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B). But the presumption
    applies, and it reinforces the conclusion I would reach
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    independently. Indeed, the presumption applies with
    particular force, given the severity of the penalties.
    Despite the explicit mens rea requirement in § 841(a)(1),
    despite the proximity of § 841(a)(1) to §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and
    (b)(1)(B), despite the fact that type and quantity of the
    controlled substances in §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B) are
    elements of the crime, and despite the mandatory nature and
    severity of the penalties under §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B),
    the majority concludes that § 841 requires that the
    government prove knowledge or intent only with respect to
    a controlled substance—indeed, only with respect to any
    controlled substance, not limited to the eight substances listed
    in §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B). I respectfully disagree.
    The majority makes several arguments in support of its
    conclusion. I find none of them persuasive.
    First, the majority writes that Ҥ 841(b)(1), unlike
    § 841(a), is silent as to any mens rea requirement.” Maj. Op.
    at 22. It is of course true that §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B)
    do not contain a mens rea requirement. The requirement is in
    § 841(a)(1). But the “silence” to which the majority refers is
    a far cry from the true silence in Staples, where the statute
    had no mens rea requirement whatsoever. Yet the Court in
    Staples, relying on the presumption of mens rea, held that the
    statute required mens rea on the part of the defendant.
    Staples, 
    511 U.S. at 619
    .
    Second, the majority writes, relying on “ordinary English
    grammar,” that “[t]here is no natural or ordinary way to read
    the intent requirement in § 841(a)(1) as modifying the drug
    types and quantities in § 841(b).” Maj. Op. at 30. But the
    question before us is not centrally a grammatical question, to
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    be answered as if we were diagramming a sentence. The
    question is a broader interpretive question. It is whether we
    should infer Congressional intent to require mens rea when
    one subsection of the statute specifies a mens rea for criminal
    violations, including violations carrying mandatory sentences,
    and the immediately following subsections lists the controlled
    substances and quantities that require those mandatory
    sentences. If that is the question, as it surely must be, it is
    easy to read the statute in a “natural or ordinary way” to apply
    the mens rea requirement contained in one subsection to the
    criminal behavior specified in the immediately following
    subsections that impose mandatory sentences.
    Third, the majority argues that the “knowingly or
    intentionally” mens rea in § 841(a)(1) cannot apply to
    controlled substances and quantities in §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and
    (b)(1)(B) because Congress explicitly provided for a mens rea
    of “knowingly or intentionally” in § 841(b)(6). The majority
    correctly points out “that Congress knew how to require proof
    of mens rea with respect to the predicate facts for sentences
    under § 841(b),” and that it did not explicitly provide that the
    mens rea requirement of “knowingly or intentionally” applied
    to crimes specified in § 841(b)(1)(A)–(B). Maj. Op. at 31. It
    incorrectly concludes, however, that if the “knowingly or
    intentionally” mens rea requirement contained in § 841(a)(1)
    applies to acts described in §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B), the
    identical mens rea specified in § 841(b)(6) is “surplusage.”
    Id. According to the majority, “this redundancy fatally
    undermines the dissent’s position.” Id.
    The majority misunderstands § 841(b)(6). There are two
    criminal acts specified in § 841(b)(6). It provides, “Any
    person who [1] violates subsection (a) . . . , and
    [2] knowingly or intentionally uses a poison, chemical or
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    other hazardous substance on Federal land . . . shall be fined
    . . . or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.”
    (Emphasis and bracketed numbers added.) The first criminal
    act is a violation of § 841(a). As we know, § 841(a) already
    contains the mens rea of “knowingly or intentionally,” and it
    forbids manufacturing, distributing or dispensing controlled
    substances. The second criminal act is poisoning federal
    lands. It is a separate criminal act that is not forbidden by
    § 841(a). Because it is a separate criminal act as to which the
    mens rea specified in § 841(a) does not apply, Congress
    separately specified the mens rea of “knowingly or
    intentionally” for that separate act. Far from supporting the
    majority’s conclusion, § 841(b)(6) is inconsistent with it. For
    the first crime specified in § 841(b)(6), the mens rea of
    “knowingly or intentionally” is already provided in
    § 841(a)(1). For the second crime, mens rea is not provided
    by § 841(a)(1). Section § 841(b)(6) therefore explicitly
    provides that mens rea, in words that precisely replicate the
    mens rea in § 841(a)(1). There is no surplusage. Rather,
    there is a confirmation that the mens rea specified in
    § 841(a)(1) can apply to the crimes and mandatory penalties
    specified in § 841(b)(1).
    Fourth, the majority suggests that the presumption of
    mens rea should apply only to acts that, absent the statute, are
    “entirely innocent.” Maj. Op. at 33 (quoting Rehaif, 
    139 S. Ct. at 2197
    ). It writes, “The presumption that Congress
    intended the defendant to possess a culpable mental state as
    to ‘each of the statutory elements that criminalize otherwise
    innocent conduct’ is particularly appropriate when a different
    reading would have the effect of criminalizing ‘a broad range
    of apparently innocent conduct.’” 
    Id.
     at 27–28 (internal
    citations omitted). The Supreme Court has never held that
    the presumption of mens rea protects only the entirely
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    innocent. Indeed, as Justice Kavanaugh wrote while a judge
    on the D.C. Circuit, it would be “illogical in the extreme” to
    limit the presumption of mens rea in this way. United States
    v. Burwell, 
    690 F.3d 500
    , 529 (D.C. Cir. 2012) (en banc)
    (Kavanaugh, J., dissenting).
    The government has argued to the Court that the
    presumption of mens rea protects only the innocent, and its
    argument has been rejected. See Brief for the United States
    at 33–38, Flores-Figueroa v. United States, 
    556 U.S. 646
    (2009) (No. 08-108), 
    2009 WL 191837
    . The government
    argued in Flores-Figueroa that the word “knowingly” in
    18 U.S.C. § 1028A(a)(1) did not apply to a certain element of
    an aggravated identity theft crime because there was no risk
    of “criminalization of any ‘apparently innocent conduct.’” Id.
    at 34 (quoting Liparota v. United States, 
    471 U.S. 419
    , 426
    (1985)). But the Court refused to adopt that view.
    I am, of course, aware that cases previously decided by
    our court support the majority’s conclusion. See, e.g., United
    States v. Soto-Zuniga, 
    837 F.3d 992
     (9th Cir. 2016); United
    States v. Jefferson, 
    791 F.3d 1013
     (9th Cir. 2015). I believe
    that these cases were wrongly decided. See Jefferson,
    791 F.3d at 1019 (Fletcher, J., concurring). In recent years,
    the Supreme Court has paid increasing attention to statutory
    sentencing schemes. See Alleyne, 570 U.S. at 103; Harris v.
    United States, 
    536 U.S. 545
     (2002), overruled by Alleyne,
    570 U.S. at 103; Apprendi, 
    530 U.S. 466
    . Alleyne reflects a
    broad concern about the unfairness of sentencing schemes in
    which the facts that are legally essential to the punishment
    need not be found beyond a reasonable doubt. See Alleyne,
    570 U.S. at 112 (“[I]f ‘a statute prescribes a particular
    punishment to be inflicted on those who commit it under
    special circumstances which it mentions, or with particular
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    aggravations,’ then those special circumstances must be
    specified in the indictment[.]” (quoting 1 Joel Prentiss
    Bishop, Criminal Procedure § 598, at 360–61 (2d ed. 1872)).
    It is a small step from Alleyne to the conclusion I would
    reach in this case. The same concern about unfairness that
    motivated the Court in Alleyne should lead us to the
    conclusion that the mens rea requirement specified in
    § 841(a)(1) applies to the acts and mandatory penalties
    specified in §§ 841(b)(1)(A) and (b)(1)(B). Congress did not
    intend in § 841 to impose mandatory sentences of five, ten
    and twenty years, and maximum sentences of life, based on
    mistakes of fact and unintentional acts.