Midwest Division - MMC, LLC v. NLRB , 867 F.3d 1288 ( 2017 )


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  •  United States Court of Appeals
    FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
    Argued January 18, 2017           Decided August 18, 2017
    No. 15-1312
    MIDWEST DIVISION - MMC, LLC, DOING BUSINESS AS
    MENORAH MEDICAL CENTER,
    PETITIONER
    v.
    NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD,
    RESPONDENT
    NATIONAL NURSES ORGANIZING
    COMMITTEE-KANSAS/NATIONAL NURSES UNITED,
    INTERVENOR
    Consolidated with 15-1359
    On Petition for Review and Cross-Application
    for Enforcement of an Order
    of the National Labor Relations Board
    Shay Dvoretzky argued the cause for petitioner. On the
    briefs was Noel J. Francisco.
    G. Roger King was on the brief for amicus curiae HR
    Policy Association in support of petitioner.
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    William E. Quirk was on the brief for amici curiae The
    American Hospital Association, et al. in support of petitioner.
    Kellie J. Isbell, Attorney, National Labor Relations
    Board, argued the cause for respondent. On the brief were
    Richard F. Griffin, Jr., General Counsel, John H. Ferguson,
    Associate General Counsel, Linda Dreeben, Deputy Associate
    General Counsel, Robert J. Englehart, Supervisory Attorney,
    and Jeffrey W. Burritt, Attorney.
    Nicole J. Daro argued the cause for intervenor. On the
    brief was Brendan White.
    Before: GARLAND, Chief Judge, and KAVANAUGH and
    SRINIVASAN, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion for the Court filed by Circuit Judge SRINIVASAN.
    Opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part filed by
    Circuit Judge KAVANAUGH.
    SRINIVASAN, Circuit Judge:       Kansas law calls for
    hospitals to establish an internal peer-review program to
    monitor the quality of care furnished by their medical
    professionals. As required by state law, Menorah Medical
    Center, a Kansas acute-care hospital, formed a peer-review
    committee for the facility’s nursing staff. The committee
    examines alleged violations of the applicable standard of care
    by the hospital’s nurses and reports serious breaches to the
    state licensing agency.
    This case arises out of the peer-review committee’s
    investigation of two nurses for substandard conduct.
    Menorah denied the nurses’ requests to allow a union
    representative to accompany them in their hearings before the
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    committee. Menorah also refused the union’s request for a
    variety of information about the committee’s operations.
    Additionally, the hospital maintained a confidentiality rule
    barring employees from discussing incidents within the
    committee’s purview.
    Those actions by Menorah led the union to file unfair-
    labor-practice charges against the hospital. The National
    Labor Relations Board ultimately found that Menorah had
    violated the National Labor Relations Act in the various ways
    alleged. Menorah now petitions for review of the Board’s
    decision against it.
    We set aside the Board’s determination that Menorah
    improperly denied the nurses’ requests for union
    representation in the peer-review-committee hearings: when,
    as here, employees are not obligated to take part in an
    investigatory hearing, there is no requirement that they be
    permitted to bring a union representative if they elect to
    participate. We sustain the Board’s decision in all other
    respects, including the Board’s finding that Menorah
    committed unfair labor practices in denying the union’s
    request for information about the peer-review committee and
    in maintaining a confidentiality rule barring workers from
    discussing incidents subject to the committee’s oversight.
    Accordingly, we grant Menorah’s petition for review in part
    and enforce the Board’s order in part.
    I.
    A.
    1. Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act
    establishes the right of employees “to bargain collectively
    through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage
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    in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective
    bargaining or other mutual aid or protection.” 29 U.S.C.
    § 157. Section 8 of the NLRA declares it to be “an unfair
    labor practice for an employer . . . to interfere with, restrain,
    or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in
    [Section 7]” or “to refuse to bargain collectively with the
    representatives of his employees.” 
    Id. § 158(a)(1),
    (5).
    As relevant here, Section 8 has been construed to impose
    three obligations on employers. First, an employee must be
    allowed to bring a union representative to any investigatory
    interview she is required to attend if she reasonably believes
    the interview might result in disciplinary action. See NLRB v.
    J. Weingarten, Inc., 
    420 U.S. 251
    , 256 (1975). Second,
    absent an overriding need for confidentiality, employers must
    furnish to labor unions (upon request) information bearing on
    the administration of a collective-bargaining agreement. See
    Detroit Edison Co. v. NLRB, 
    440 U.S. 301
    , 303 (1979).
    Third, employees presumptively must be permitted to
    communicate with one another in service of their Section 7
    rights. See Martin Luther Mem’l Home, Inc., 
    343 N.L.R.B. 646
    , 646 (2004).
    2. Kansas state law aims to “protect the public’s general
    health, safety and welfare” by establishing a peer-review
    system to monitor the quality of care provided by medical
    practitioners. Kan. Stat. Ann. § 65-4929(a). Under state law,
    every hospital must maintain a risk-management program
    designed to identify violations of the applicable standard of
    care and to facilitate the reporting of breaches to the Kansas
    State Board of Nursing (the Nursing Board). See 
    id. §§ 65-
    4922(a), 65-4923.
    A hospital’s risk-management personnel must refer any
    qualifying incidents to a peer-review committee established
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    by the facility. 
    Id. § 65-4923(a)(2).
    Menorah’s committee for
    its nursing staff is called the Nursing Peer Review Committee.
    The Committee must in turn “report to the appropriate state
    licensing agency”—here, the Nursing Board—anytime it
    finds that a nurse has “acted below the applicable standard of
    care” in a way that “had a reasonable probability of causing
    injury to a patient, or in a manner which may be grounds for
    disciplinary action by the appropriate licensing agency.” 
    Id. If the
    Nursing Board elects to strip a nurse of his license, he
    can no longer practice professional nursing in the state. 
    Id. § 65-1114(a)(1).
    The Nursing Peer Review Committee does not itself
    impose that (or any other) form of state-administered
    discipline. Rather, the Committee collects information and
    refers reportable incidents to the Nursing Board so that “the
    [Board] may take appropriate disciplinary measures.” 
    Id. § 65-4923(a)(2).
    Under the Kansas statute, though, the
    members of hospitals’ peer-review committees are deemed
    “state officers engaged in a discretionary function.” 
    Id. § 65-
    4929(b).
    Kansas law attaches a confidentiality privilege to certain
    aspects of peer-review proceedings:
    [T]he reports, statements, memoranda,
    proceedings, findings and other records
    submitted to or generated by peer review
    committees or officers shall be privileged and
    shall not be subject to discovery, subpoena or
    other means of legal compulsion for their
    release to any person or entity or be admissible
    in evidence in any judicial or administrative
    proceeding. Information contained in such
    records shall not be discoverable or admissible
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    at trial in the form of testimony by an
    individual who participated in the peer review
    process.
    
    Id. § 65-
    4915(b).
    Menorah sought to fortify confidentiality protections
    through a provision of its Risk Management Plan. The
    hospital’s Confidentiality Rule prohibits employees from
    “disclos[ing] information concerning reportable incidents
    except to their superiors, Hospital Administration, the Risk
    Manager, the appropriate Hospital and Medical Staff
    committees, legal counsel for the Hospital, or the applicable
    licensing agencies,” without prior approval from the “Risk
    Manager, Administration, or legal counsel.” D.A. 69.
    Menorah and the union representing its nurses, the
    National Nurses Organizing Committee, have entered into a
    collective-bargaining agreement. Because the bargaining unit
    is comprised of registered nurses, a nurse who loses her
    license also relinquishes her union representation.
    B.
    In May 2012, Menorah nurses Sherry Centye and Brenda
    Smith received letters from the hospital’s Risk Manager
    alleging that they had “exhibited unprofessional conduct as
    defined by the Kansas Nurse Practice Act.” 
    Id. at 71,
    73. The
    letters informed both nurses that their “conduct has
    preliminarily been determined to be a Standard of Care Level
    4: grounds for disciplinary action.” 
    Id. They were
    then
    reminded that, “[a]s governed by Kansas Statute, a final
    Standard of Care Level 4 determination must be reported to
    the Kansas Board of Nursing.” 
    Id. 7 The
    letters afforded each nurse “an opportunity to
    address the Peer Review Committee regarding any potentially
    reportable incident prior to any final determination of a
    Standard of Care by the Committee.” 
    Id. But the
    letters
    specified that an in-person exchange would take place only “if
    you choose.” 
    Id. Each nurse
    was also given the option to
    “submit a written response to the Committee if you wish in
    lieu of an appearance.” 
    Id. Centye’s letter
    further stated that
    “the Committee cannot fairly and accurately make a final
    decision without more details that can only be provided by
    you.” 
    Id. at 71.
    Both nurses asked the hospital’s Risk Manager to allow a
    union representative to accompany them to their hearings
    before the Peer Review Committee. Centye requested union
    assistance before her interview began; Smith did so after her
    interview had commenced. The Risk Manager denied both
    requests, and the hearings proceeded with both nurses’
    participation. After the hearings, the Committee reduced each
    nurse’s standard-of-care violation to a level 2, meaning that it
    would not be reported to the Nursing Board.
    After the first hearing, a union representative, Sheilah
    Garland, communicated with Menorah’s Human Resources
    Department. She requested information pertaining to (i) the
    structure and functions of Menorah’s Nursing Peer Review
    Committee and its members; (ii) allegations against nurses
    investigated by the Committee (and the sources of those
    allegations); and (iii) any discipline issued by the Committee.
    Garland also maintained that nurses appearing before the
    Committee are entitled to bring a union representative.
    Menorah provided Garland with a copy of the hospital’s
    Risk Management Plan but otherwise declined to supply
    information responsive to her requests. Menorah’s Director
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    of Labor Relations stated that the Committee cannot impose
    discipline but merely investigates and reports to the Nursing
    Board; that the requested information was privileged by
    Kansas law; that the information in any case did not pertain to
    administration of the collective-bargaining agreement; and
    that the nurses had no entitlement to the presence of a union
    representative at peer-review hearings.
    The Union filed unfair-labor-practice charges against
    Menorah with the Board. The Board’s General Counsel
    issued a complaint alleging that Menorah had violated the
    NLRA by (i) denying both nurses’ requests for a union
    representative at their hearings before the Peer Review
    Committee; (ii) refusing to furnish the information about
    peer-review proceedings that had been sought by the Union;
    and (iii) maintaining an unduly broad confidentiality rule that
    operated to restrict discussion among employees about
    incidents within the Committee’s ambit.
    In December 2013, an ALJ issued a decision and
    recommended order finding that Menorah had violated the
    NLRA as alleged. On August 27, 2015, the NLRB affirmed
    the ALJ’s determinations that Menorah had violated the
    NLRA in the three alleged respects. The Board also affirmed
    the ALJ’s decision to admit testimony that shed light on the
    Nursing Peer Review Committee’s proceedings.
    Menorah now petitions for review of the Board’s order,
    and the Board seeks cross-enforcement of its order. The
    Union has intervened in support of the Board’s decision.
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    II.
    A.
    Menorah first maintains that the Board wrongly asserted
    jurisdiction over this dispute. We find no error in the Board’s
    exercise of jurisdiction.
    Menorah’s jurisdictional argument arises from the
    NLRA’s definition of “employers” subject to the Act’s
    mandates. Section 8 of the NLRA enumerates practices that
    an “employer” may not perform. 29 U.S.C. § 158(a). The
    Act defines the term “employer” to exclude “any State or
    political subdivision thereof.” 
    Id. § 152(2).
    The Supreme
    Court has upheld the Board’s construction of the term
    “political subdivision” under that provision to mean an entity
    “(1) created directly by the state, so as to constitute [a]
    department[] or administrative arm[] of the government, or
    (2) administered by individuals who are responsible to public
    officials or to the general electorate.” NLRB v. Nat. Gas Util.
    Dist. of Hawkins Cty., 
    402 U.S. 600
    , 604-05 (1971). An
    entity satisfying either prong of that test falls outside the
    Board’s jurisdiction because it is not a statutory “employer.”
    Menorah argues that its Nursing Peer Review Committee
    qualifies as a political subdivision under both prongs of the
    Hawkins County test, and that the hospital therefore does not
    function as a statutory employer when it acts through the
    Committee to fulfill obligations imposed by state law.
    According to Menorah, the Committee’s ostensible status as a
    non-employer should be imputed to Menorah with regard to
    all of the alleged unfair labor practices in this case.
    As an initial matter, the Board exercised jurisdiction over
    Menorah itself, not its Nursing Peer Review Committee.
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    Menorah was the sole respondent in the proceedings before
    the agency, and, as the “aggrieved party,” 29 U.S.C. § 160(f),
    is the only petitioner here. There is no dispute that Menorah
    itself qualifies as a statutory employer capable of committing
    unfair labor practices in violation of the NLRA. And both the
    ALJ and the Board attributed the charged NLRA violations to
    Menorah.
    To the extent the status of the Committee (as opposed to
    Menorah itself) as a statutory employer nonetheless bears on
    the Board’s exercise of jurisdiction over the hospital, the
    Board reasonably concluded that the Committee is not a
    “political subdivision” of Kansas.        The ALJ rejected
    Menorah’s jurisdictional objection, explaining that, “[s]imply
    because medical providers’ peer review committees must
    conform to state requirements does not make them a political
    subdivision that is exempt from the Act.” ALJ Decision, D.A.
    391-92. The Board reasonably adopted the ALJ’s conclusion
    in that respect.
    With respect to Hawkins County’s first prong, the
    Committee was not “created directly by the state, so as to
    constitute [a] department[] or administrative arm[] of the
    government.” Hawkins 
    Cty., 402 U.S. at 604
    . It is true that
    Kansas law envisions the existence of peer-review
    committees within each medical facility in the state. See, e.g.,
    Kan. Stat. Ann. § 65-4929. But the Kansas statute makes
    each hospital responsible for “establish[ing] and
    maintain[ing]” its own system of risk management, subject to
    the requirements of state law. 
    Id. § 65-
    4922(a). The very
    statutory scheme that requires the existence of peer-review
    committees thus specifies that they are created and
    administered by hospitals, not the state. Another state statute
    reinforces that understanding, permitting a documentary
    privilege to be “claimed by the legal entity creating the peer
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    review committee.” 
    Id. § 65-
    4915(b). A hospital—not the
    state—is entitled to claim that privilege as the “entity creating
    the peer review committee.” See Adams v. St. Francis Reg’l
    Med. Ctr., 
    264 Kan. 144
    , 158 (1998).
    Moreover, we hesitate to conclude that a committee
    whose members are “supervised, compensated, hired,
    appointed, and evaluated by [Menorah] without input from
    the state,” ALJ Decision, D.A. 391, nonetheless functions as a
    department or administrative arm of the state. It is true that
    committee members are deemed “state officers engaged in a
    discretionary function” with regard to their participation in the
    committee proceedings. Kan. Stat. Ann. § 65-4929(b). But
    that is for the purpose of according them the “immunity of the
    state . . . , including [immunity] from the federal and state
    antitrust laws.” 
    Id. The members’
    state-conferred immunity
    for those purposes does not transform a hospital’s peer-review
    committee into a state agency or department. Indeed, the
    same provision specifies that committee members are not
    subject to “any other law relating to or regulating state
    agencies, officers or employees.” 
    Id. § 65-
    4929(c).
    Menorah cites no Board or judicial decision holding that
    an entity established and maintained by a private company
    pursuant to state law qualifies as a political subdivision of the
    state. That is not surprising, given that the exemption exists
    to prevent the Board from interfering with “the employment
    relationships between state and local governments . . . and
    their employees.” NLRB v. Princeton Mem’l Hosp., 
    939 F.2d 174
    , 178 (4th Cir. 1991). Menorah’s Nursing Peer Review
    Committee thus differs from entities previously held to be
    political subdivisions. To take the example on which
    Menorah chiefly relies, the State Bar of New Mexico was
    established by the New Mexico Supreme Court—
    unquestionably a state actor—and serves as “an
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    administrative arm of the judicial branch of government.”
    State Bar of New Mexico, 
    346 N.L.R.B. 674
    , 676 (2006). The
    same cannot be said of Menorah’s own Nursing Peer Review
    Committee.
    With regard to the second prong of the Hawkins County
    test, the Committee is not “administered by individuals who
    are responsible to public officials or to the general 
    electorate.” 402 U.S. at 604-05
    . As the Board has explained, the pertinent
    question is “whether a majority of the individuals who
    administer the entity . . . are appointed by and subject to
    removal by public officials.” Pilsen Wellness Ctr., 
    359 N.L.R.B. 626
    , 628 (2013). Menorah cites no evidence that
    Committee members are either appointed or removable by
    public officials (as opposed to by Menorah’s own personnel).
    For those reasons, the Board reasonably concluded that
    Menorah’s Nursing Peer Review Committee does not qualify
    as a political subdivision of Kansas under either prong of the
    Hawkins County test.
    B.
    On the merits of the Board’s findings of unfair labor
    practices, we first consider whether Menorah violated the
    NLRA by denying the nurses’ requests for union
    representation in connection with their peer-review hearings
    before the Committee. In NLRB v. J. Weingarten, Inc., the
    Supreme Court sustained the Board’s understanding that the
    NLRA “creates a statutory right in an employee to refuse to
    submit without union representation to an interview which he
    reasonably fears may result in his 
    discipline.” 420 U.S. at 256
    . Here, neither Centye nor Smith was permitted to bring a
    union representative when appearing before the Committee.
    The Board held that Menorah thereby violated the nurses’
    Weingarten right. The Board’s ruling cannot be sustained.
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    Weingarten affirmed the Board’s conclusion that it would
    be a “serious violation of the employee’s individual right to
    engage in concerted activity by seeking the assistance of his
    statutory representative if the employer denies the employee’s
    request and compels the employee to appear unassisted at an
    interview which may put his job security in jeopardy.” 
    Id. at 257
    (emphasis added) (internal quotation marks omitted). An
    employee’s Weingarten right is infringed, that is, when an
    employer compels him to appear at such an interview but
    denies him union representation.          Conversely, absent
    compulsory attendance, the right to union representation
    recognized in Weingarten does not arise: the Court expressly
    grounded its decision on an understanding that an “employer
    is free to carry on his inquiry without interviewing the
    employee, and thus leave to the employee the choice between
    having an interview unaccompanied by his representative, or
    having no interview.” 
    Id. at 258.
    Here, Centye and Smith were given precisely that choice.
    The letters advising them of the charges against them
    expressly “afforded an opportunity” to appear before the
    Committee “if you choose.” D.A. 71, 73 (emphases added).
    Moreover, they were invited to “submit a written response . . .
    if you wish in lieu of an appearance.” 
    Id. In those
    circumstances, neither nurse was compelled to attend a
    Committee hearing so as to trigger a right to union
    representation under Weingarten.
    None of this is to deny that Centye and Smith might well
    have felt it would be decidedly in their interests to participate
    in a Committee hearing. After all, the letters they received
    contained no information about the underlying factual
    allegations against them. They understandably could have
    regarded the hearing as affording them a singular opportunity
    to learn about—and potentially dispel—the allegations about
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    their ostensible misconduct. That would have been especially
    true for Centye: her letter stated that “the Committee cannot
    fairly and accurately make a final decision without more
    details that can only be provided by you.” 
    Id. at 71.
    So we
    accept that both nurses could have believed that attending the
    hearings would inure substantially to their benefit.
    Even so, the Supreme Court in Weingarten explicitly
    contemplated—and accepted—that an employee might have a
    strong incentive to attend a hearing for those sorts of reasons.
    In explaining that an employer retained the “prerogative[]” to
    give an employee a “choice” between attending an interview
    without a union representative and “having no interview” at
    all, the Court understood that a person who elected to have no
    interview would “forgo[] any benefits that might be derived
    from 
    one.” 420 U.S. at 258
    . Put another way, by
    “refrain[ing] from participating in the interview,” an
    employee would “protect[] his right to representation, but at
    the same time relinquish[] any benefit which might be derived
    from the interview.” 
    Id. at 259
    (internal quotation marks
    omitted). In that event, the employer would “be free to act on
    the basis of whatever information he had and without such
    additional facts as might have been gleaned through the
    interview.” 
    Id. (internal quotation
    marks omitted).
    Here, Centye and Smith, having been given the option to
    forgo attendance at the Committee hearing, presumably
    weighed the benefits and drawbacks of doing so and elected
    to participate. The Board nonetheless concluded that their
    Weingarten right had been infringed. The Board reasoned
    that, when Menorah denied the nurses’ request for union
    representation at the hearing, “it was obligated, at that point,
    to give the employees the opportunity to cease their
    participation in the meetings,” Midwest Div.-MMC, LLC d/b/a
    Menorah Med. Ctr., 362 N.L.R.B. No. 193, 
    2015 WL 15
    5113235, at *3 (2015)—even though they had already been
    told in their letters that their participation was optional (and
    also that they could instead submit information in writing).
    Weingarten, however, contains no suggestion that the NLRA
    requires an employer to renew advice to an employee that her
    attendance at a hearing is optional. And the Board cited no
    judicial or agency precedent establishing such a requirement.
    Rather, the decisions on which the Board relies involved
    circumstances in which the employer compelled the
    employee’s attendance in a proceeding. E.g., U.S. Postal
    Serv., 
    241 N.L.R.B. 141
    (1979). In that situation, if an
    employee requests union representation, the Board’s decisions
    require the employer to discontinue the interview unless (i)
    “the employee voluntarily agrees to remain unrepresented
    after having been presented by the employer with the
    choice[]” to “continu[e] the interview unaccompanied by a
    union representative or hav[e] no interview at all,” or (ii) “the
    employee is otherwise aware of those choices.” 
    Id. at 141.
    Here, the nurses, from the outset, were “otherwise aware” that
    they could choose to forgo attending a hearing. 
    Id. The Board
    does not contend otherwise. In those circumstances,
    there was no violation of the nurses’ Weingarten right.
    That conclusion is unaffected by our decision in
    American Federation of Government Employees, Local 1941
    v. Federal Labor Relations Authority, 
    837 F.2d 495
    , 499
    (D.C. Cir. 1988). That case involved a provision of the
    Federal Service Labor-Management Relations Statute that
    grants union representation to federal employees in
    connection with investigations that can result in disciplinary
    action. 5 U.S.C. § 7114(a)(2)(B). We noted that the
    provision aimed “to make the Weingarten right applicable to
    federal employees” but that “Congress anticipated that the
    statutory right to representation in examinations may evolve
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    differently in the federal 
    sector.” 837 F.2d at 499
    (internal
    quotation marks omitted). We construed the provision to
    extend a right to union representation even if a federal
    employee is not compelled to attend an investigatory
    interview. But in doing so, we observed that “Congress
    sought to appropriate the general principles of Weingarten
    and allow those principles to evolve in the unique and varying
    circumstances of federal employment, not to hold those
    principles to the factual and procedural context of
    Weingarten.” 
    Id. at 500.
    This case does not involve “the unique and varying
    circumstances of federal employment” addressed in the
    FSLMRS. Rather, it involves the NLRA. And the NLRA,
    under the interpretation affirmed by the Supreme Court in
    Weingarten, does not recognize a right to union representation
    when an employee has a choice to forgo participating in an
    investigatory hearing but elects to attend in any event.
    C.
    Menorah next challenges the Board’s ruling that it
    violated the NLRA by failing to furnish information requested
    by the Union about the peer-review program. The Board
    concluded that the withheld information is relevant to the
    Union’s mission and that Menorah’s asserted confidentiality
    interests do not outweigh the Union’s need for the materials.
    We see no basis to set aside the Board’s conclusion.
    An employer’s statutory obligation to engage in
    collective bargaining “includes a duty to provide relevant
    information needed by a labor union for the proper
    performance of its duties as the employees’ bargaining
    representative.” Detroit Edison Co. v. NLRB, 
    440 U.S. 301
    ,
    303 (1979). The relevance of the requested information for
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    that purpose is measured under a “liberal, discovery-type”
    standard. DaimlerChrysler Corp. v. NLRB, 
    288 F.3d 434
    , 440
    (D.C. Cir. 2002). When a union demonstrates the relevance
    of the information it seeks, the Board “balance[s] a union’s
    need for the information against any legitimate and substantial
    confidentiality interests established by the employer.” Pa.
    Power Co., 
    301 N.L.R.B. 1104
    , 1105 (1991) (internal
    quotation marks omitted). The employer must furnish the
    requested information if “the union’s need for the information
    outweigh[s] the general policy regarding confidentiality.”
    Kaleida Health, Inc., 
    356 N.L.R.B. 1373
    , 1379 (2011). State-
    law privileges present a valid basis for claiming
    confidentiality. 
    Id. at 1378.
    Here, after Centye and Smith received the letters
    apprising them of the allegation that they had engaged in
    unprofessional conduct, a representative of the Union, Sheilah
    Garland, requested information from Menorah about the
    operation of its Nursing Peer Review Committee. Garland’s
    requests on behalf of the Union fell into three categories.
    First, she sought information describing the Committee,
    including the Committee’s structure, purpose, and functions,
    along with the names of committee members and those
    present for the hearings. Second, she requested information
    about allegations investigated by the Committee, including
    the names of nurses notified that they were under
    investigation, the nature of the allegations against them, and
    copies of investigatory information used by the hospital.
    Third, she sought disciplinary documents issued by the
    Committee.
    The Board deemed all of the requested information to be
    relevant to the Union’s enforcement of the collective-
    bargaining agreement, explaining that “the Committee’s work
    can lead to [Menorah’s] suspension or discharge of an
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    employee.” Menorah, 
    2015 WL 5113235
    , at *7. The Board
    further found any countervailing confidentiality interests to be
    modest, given that the requested information “did not trench
    on the Committee’s internal deliberative processes.” 
    Id. at *6.
    The Board thus found that Menorah violated Section 8 of the
    NLRA by failing to comply with the Union’s informational
    request.
    We conclude that substantial evidence supports the
    Board’s determination. See Wallaesa v. Fed. Aviation
    Admin., 
    824 F.3d 1071
    , 1084 (D.C. Cir. 2016). As an initial
    matter, we perceive no basis for rejecting the Board’s
    conclusion that the requested information about the peer-
    review program and investigations is relevant to the Union’s
    ability to enforce the collective-bargaining agreement. The
    agreement enables Menorah to “suspend, discharge or
    otherwise discipline bargaining unit members for just cause.”
    D.A. 115. In that regard, Menorah’s Risk Management Plan
    articulates two pertinent expectations concerning “[u]se of
    [r]isk [m]anagement [d]ata.” 
    Id. at 68.
    First, “[w]hen the
    investigation of a reported incident [i.e., by the Peer Review
    Committee] results in an adverse finding, the event will be
    considered at the time of . . . employee performance
    evaluations.” 
    Id. Second, “[i]nternal
    institutional actions
    may be taken as the result of investigation.” 
    Id. Those disciplinary
    objectives are reinforced by Kansas
    law, which provides that a peer-review committee may
    “report to and discuss its activities, information and findings”
    with a hospital’s “administrative officer” without waiving the
    statutory privilege concerning peer-review proceedings. Kan.
    Stat. Ann. § 65-4915(e). The Risk Management Plan also
    envisions a linkage between the Nursing Peer Review
    Committee and Menorah’s evaluation of its employees’
    performance: one of the Plan’s stated objectives is to
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    “[e]stablish communication between risk management, peer
    review, . . . and performance improvement functions in the
    Hospital.” D.A. 54.
    With regard to Menorah’s confidentiality interests in the
    information requested by the Union, Menorah describes its
    interests solely by reference to the state-law provision
    privileging “the reports, statements, memoranda, proceedings,
    findings and other records submitted to or generated by peer
    review committees.” Kan. Stat. Ann. § 65-4915(b). The
    Kansas Supreme Court, however, has not construed that
    privilege to encompass any document that may incidentally
    come into committees’ possession. See 
    Adams, 264 Kan. at 171
    . Rather, the privilege attaches to documents created to
    satisfy the peer-review requirements of state law, including
    eventual consideration by the applicable peer-review
    committee. See 
    id. at 165
    (holding that the privilege covered
    hospital disciplinary forms found to be “part of the peer
    review process as envisioned by the legislature”).
    The Board reasonably determined that, for all three
    categories of information sought by the Union, the Union’s
    interests in the information prevail over Menorah’s
    confidentiality interests.    As to the first category—
    information pertaining to the Committee’s structure,
    functions, and membership—Menorah did provide the Union
    a copy of its Risk Management Plan, which broadly outlines
    the Committee’s purpose and scope, as well as the Kansas
    statutes outlining the Committee’s functions. But Menorah
    did not furnish any other information within the scope of the
    request, and the Risk Management Plan does not comment on
    the Committee’s membership or the identities of members
    who attended the relevant meetings. As long as the Plan
    continues to enable the Committee to function as an adjunct to
    the hospital’s internal disciplinary process, the Union will
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    retain an interest in obtaining information about the
    Committee’s structure, functions, and makeup. And as the
    Board concluded, that information would seem generally to
    fall outside—or at least outside the core of—the statutory
    privilege.
    As to the second category of requested information—that
    related to allegations investigated by the Committee—the
    information could have substantial relevance to the Union’s
    representation of affected employees. The Board found
    “nothing in the record to suggest that this information was
    prepared exclusively for use by the Committee outside of the
    Hospital’s regular course of business.” Menorah, 
    2015 WL 5113235
    , at *5 n.15. Menorah did not challenge that finding
    in its briefs, so it has given us little reason to question the
    Board’s conclusion that the Union’s interests in obtaining the
    information outweigh Menorah’s confidentiality interests as
    defined by the statutory privilege.
    As to the third category—copies of disciplinary
    records—Menorah, in declining to supply responsive
    information, observed that “[t]he committee does not offer,
    impose or suggest discipline to RNs[;] it investigates
    reportable incidents and provides to the State its findings as
    per the Kansas Statutes.” D.A. 80. But as the Board
    observed, “the Committee’s disciplinary letters state that the
    employee’s conduct has been preliminarily determined to be
    grounds for disciplinary action,” and “the Committee’s work
    can lead to [Menorah’s] suspension or discharge of an
    employee.” Menorah, 
    2015 WL 5113235
    , at *7. The
    requested information, moreover, would enable the Union “to
    compare incidents that cause nurses to become targets of
    investigations that can result in the revocation of a license and
    ultimately termination from employment,” and “to properly
    determine whether to file a grievance on behalf of those who
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    have been targeted for investigation by the Committee.” 
    Id. While the
    disciplinary records may implicate the state law
    privilege, we find no basis to overturn the Board’s reasonable
    conclusion that the Union’s significant interests in obtaining
    the information outweigh Menorah’s confidentiality concerns.
    D.
    Menorah’s Risk Management Plan includes a
    Confidentiality   Rule      prohibiting    employees    from
    “disclos[ing] information concerning reportable incidents
    except to their superiors” and certain other parties without
    prior approval from the “Risk Manager, Administration, or
    legal counsel.” D.A. 69. The Board invalidated that
    provision as an excessive restriction on employees’ Section 7
    rights. We sustain the Board’s ruling and conclude that it is
    supported by substantial evidence.
    Sections 7 and 8 of the NLRA protect an employee’s
    “right to discuss the terms and conditions of her employment
    with other employees.” Cintas Corp. v. NLRB, 
    482 F.3d 463
    ,
    466 (D.C. Cir. 2007). An employer presumptively violates
    the Act “when it maintains a work rule that . . . tends to chill
    employees in the exercise of their Section 7 rights.” Martin
    
    Luther, 343 N.L.R.B. at 646
    . That situation occurs when
    “employees would reasonably construe the language [of a
    work rule] to prohibit Section 7 activity.” 
    Id. at 647.
    We
    construe any ambiguity in such a rule against the employer.
    Banner Health Sys. v. NLRB, 
    851 F.3d 35
    , 40 (D.C. Cir.
    2017) (citing Cintas 
    Corp., 482 F.3d at 468
    n.2).
    Maintaining a rule reasonably likely to chill employees’
    Section 7 activity amounts to an unfair labor practice unless
    the employer “present[s] a legitimate and substantial business
    justification for the rule” that “outweigh[s] the adverse effect
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    on the interests of employees.” Hyundai Am. Shipping
    Agency, Inc. v. NLRB, 
    805 F.3d 309
    , 314 (D.C. Cir. 2015).
    Here, the Confidentiality Rule, subject to certain exceptions,
    bars employees from disclosing “information concerning
    reportable incidents.” Menorah contends that employees
    would read the provision to refer solely to information
    submitted to (or generated by) the Committee, such that the
    Rule’s reach would be coextensive with the scope of the
    Kansas statutory privilege earlier described, Kan. Stat. Ann.
    § 65-4915(b). But the Board found that “employees would
    reasonably understand the . . . prohibition on disclosure of
    ‘reportable incidents’” to reach considerably more broadly, so
    as to encompass “discussions about the events underlying the
    peer review investigations.” Menorah, 
    2015 WL 5113235
    , at
    *1 n.3 (emphasis added). That is, the Rule would bar
    employees from discussing the underlying facts of incidents
    investigated by the Committee. So understood, the Rule
    would plainly chill the exercise of Section 7 rights.
    The Board’s interpretation of the Rule is reasonable.
    Menorah’s Risk Management Plan defines “reportable
    incident” as “an act or practice by a ‘health care provider’”
    that must be reported to the applicable licensing agency—
    here, the Nursing Board. D.A. 55. And a prohibition on
    disclosing information “concerning reportable incidents”
    could readily be understood to encompass any discussions
    about the underlying “act or practice.” Menorah does not
    suggest any legitimate and substantial justification for
    curtailing discussion of incidents that give rise to peer-review
    proceedings. Those events may also give rise to internal
    disciplinary processes, which of course can be the subject of
    grievances under the collective-bargaining agreement. See
    Banner 
    Health, 851 F.3d at 41
    (explaining that restrictions on
    employees’ communications cannot sweep “so broadly as to
    include working conditions”) (quoting Double Eagle Hotel &
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    Casino v. NLRB, 
    414 F.3d 1249
    , 1260 (10th Cir. 2005)). We
    therefore affirm the Board’s conclusion that the present
    Confidentiality Rule is unduly broad in violation of
    employees’ Section 7 rights.
    E.
    Finally, Menorah challenges the Board’s affirmance of
    the ALJ’s decision to admit testimony about the Committee’s
    proceedings and to revoke a protective order initially covering
    that testimony. Specifically, in the hearing before the ALJ,
    participants in the peer-review process testified about what
    they and others had said during the peer-review committee
    proceedings. We review the ALJ’s admission of that
    testimony for abuse of discretion, Veritas Health Servs., Inc.
    v. NLRB, 
    671 F.3d 1267
    , 1273 (D.C. Cir. 2012), and we find
    no abuse here.
    The Board explained that the testimony was “critical” to
    understanding and resolving the alleged unfair labor practices,
    including, in particular, the charge that Menorah had “violated
    Sec. 8(a)(1) by denying employees their right to a union
    representative during their appearance before the Committee.”
    Menorah, 
    2015 WL 5113235
    , at *1 n.2. Although we have
    concluded, as explained, that the employees ultimately had no
    Weingarten right to union representation, their testimony
    about their interactions with the Committee could be highly
    germane to understanding the factual context surrounding the
    resolution of the Weingarten charge. The ALJ reasonably
    admitted the testimony to enable an informed consideration of
    the issue.
    Menorah, citing the Kansas statutory privilege, contends
    that the testimony about the proceedings before the
    Committee should not have been admitted (or should have
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    remained subject to a protective order). A state-law privilege
    is not necessarily binding in a federal proceeding. See Fed. R.
    Evid. 501. At any rate, the Kansas statutory privilege—
    assuming its applicability to the testimony at issue here—is
    not absolute even as a matter of state law. See 
    Adams, 264 Kan. at 166
    , 171-74. Rather, a court must consider “the
    interest of the party in obtaining the information,” such that
    “the substantive interest in preserving the confidentiality of
    the information” may “give way to assure all the facts will be
    available for a fair determination of the issues.” 
    Id. at 171-72
    (citation omitted).
    Here, in light of the significant federal interest in
    enabling an informed resolution of the unfair-labor-practice
    charges, we cannot conclude that the ALJ abused her
    discretion in admitting the testimony by the participants in the
    Committee’s proceedings.
    *   *    *   *    *
    For the foregoing reasons, we grant in part Menorah’s
    petition for review and enforce the Board’s order in all other
    respects.
    So ordered.
    KAVANAUGH, Circuit Judge, concurring in part and
    dissenting in part: I join all except Part II.C of the majority
    opinion. I write separately to elaborate on the Weingarten issue
    addressed in Part II.B and to disagree on the information-
    request issue addressed in Part II.C.
    First, the Board concluded that the hospital violated the
    Weingarten rights of nurses Centye and Smith. (Under
    Weingarten, union members have a right to be accompanied by
    a union representative during certain investigative interviews
    conducted by employers. See NLRB v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 
    420 U.S. 251
    , 256 (1975).) The majority opinion rejects the
    Board’s conclusion. I agree with the majority opinion. In
    rejecting the Board’s conclusion, however, the majority
    opinion does not address the threshold question of whether
    Weingarten rights apply in the first place in peer review
    committee interviews. Instead, the majority opinion concludes
    that, even assuming arguendo that Weingarten rights apply,
    Weingarten was not violated in this case. The majority
    opinion’s silence on the threshold question of course should not
    be interpreted as an implicit conclusion that Weingarten rights
    apply in peer review committee interviews. See, e.g., BRYAN
    A. GARNER ET AL., THE LAW OF JUDICIAL PRECEDENT 84
    (2016); United States v. Shabani, 
    513 U.S. 10
    , 16 (1994).
    Rather, that threshold question remains open in this Circuit for
    a future panel to address and decide.
    If we were to reach the threshold question, I would hold
    that Weingarten rights do not apply in peer review committee
    interviews.     Weingarten rights apply primarily in the
    disciplinary context when an employer conducts an
    investigative interview of the employee. Those rights help
    “redress the perceived imbalance of economic power between
    labor and management.” 
    Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 262
    . When
    an interview is not part of the employer’s disciplinary process
    but is instead, for example, part of a state licensing process
    mandated by statute, Weingarten rights do not apply. Cf. Mt.
    2
    Vernon Tanker Co. v. NLRB, 
    549 F.2d 571
    , 575 (9th Cir. 1977).
    Because the peer review committee at issue here is not part of
    the hospital’s disciplinary process and is instead part of the
    state licensing process, employees do not have Weingarten
    rights in interviews conducted by the peer review committee.
    Second, the Board concluded that the hospital violated the
    National Labor Relations Act when the hospital did not comply
    with the Union’s requests for information about the inner
    workings of the peer review committee. The majority opinion
    sustains the Board’s decision. Even taking into account our
    deferential standard of review, I cannot uphold the Board’s
    decision on this issue. I instead would rule in accord with
    Member Johnson’s dissent from the Board’s decision.
    To assess a union’s information request, the Board
    balances the employer’s confidentiality interest in the
    information against the union’s need for the information. See
    Howard Industries, Inc., 360 NLRB No. 111, at 2 (2014).
    Here, as exemplified by Kansas’s peer review statute, the
    hospital possesses a strong interest in protecting the
    confidentiality of the peer review process. Kan. Stat. Ann.
    § 65-4915(b). Maintaining confidentiality helps ensure the
    frank participation of medical professionals in peer review
    committee deliberations.        As the American Hospital
    Association explains: “Without strict confidentiality, peer
    review’s effectiveness would collapse.” American Hospital
    Association Br. 11. Confidentiality is therefore essential to an
    effective peer review process, and the peer review process in
    turn is critical to improving the quality and safety of health
    care. For that reason, almost every State – including Kansas –
    has rules protecting the confidentiality of peer review
    proceedings.
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    While the hospital’s confidentiality interest in the
    requested information is weighty, the Union’s need for that
    information is minimal at best. That is because the peer review
    committee does not itself threaten “direct adverse employment
    action” against the Union’s members. Midwest Division –
    MMC, LLC, 362 NLRB No. 193, at 10 (2015) (Johnson,
    dissenting). As Member Johnson explained, peer review
    committees are instead “part of the State’s regulatory apparatus
    for overseeing its licensed healthcare professionals and the
    overall adequacy of healthcare in the State of Kansas. . . .
    Because the committees do not represent the [hospital] and
    because their findings are submitted to the State as part of the
    regulatory scheme, the Union’s interest in information about
    the committee’s internal deliberations is limited. Peer review
    does not directly implicate the [hospital’s] disciplinary process
    nor either party’s obligations under the collective-bargaining
    agreement.” 
    Id. After considering
    the hospital’s confidentiality interest
    and the Union’s need for the information, the Board here
    should have rejected most of the Union’s information request,
    as Member Johnson explained in his dissent. Instead, the
    Board granted the Union’s request. In doing so, the Board gave
    very short shrift to the hospital’s confidentiality interest in the
    requested information and significantly exaggerated the
    Union’s need for the information. See 
    id. at 7-11.
    I would
    vacate the Board’s order to the extent it ruled that the Union
    was entitled to all of the peer review information it requested.
    I would remand to the Board to properly re-balance the
    hospital’s confidentiality interest against the Union’s asserted
    need for the information, in the manner suggested by Member
    Johnson.
    With those observations, I respectfully concur in part and
    dissent in part.