Young v. Hud ( 2013 )


Menu:
  •   United States Court of Appeals
    for the Federal Circuit
    ______________________
    RAYLAND YOUNG,
    Petitioner,
    v.
    DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN
    DEVELOPMENT,
    Respondent.
    ______________________
    2011-3232
    ______________________
    Petition for review of an arbitrator’s decision in FMCS
    no. 111228-52284-6, by Marvin J. Feldman.
    ______________________
    Decided: February 11, 2013
    ______________________
    MATTHEW H. SOLOMSON, Sidley Austin, LLP, of
    Washington, DC, argued for petitioner. With him on the
    brief was KYLE J. FIET. Of counsel on the brief was JACOB
    Y. STATMAN, Snider & Associates, LLC, of Baltimore,
    Maryland.
    HILLARY A. STERN, Senior Trial Counsel, Commer-
    cial Litigation Branch, Civil Division, United States
    Department of Justice, of Washington, DC, argued for
    respondent. With her on the brief were STUART F.
    DELERY, Acting Assistant Attorney General, JEANNE E.
    2                                            YOUNG   v. HUD
    DAVIDSON, Director, and BRIAN M. SIMKIN, Assistant
    Director.
    ______________________
    Before PROST, O’MALLEY, and REYNA, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion for the court filed by Circuit Judge
    REYNA. Dissenting opinion filed by Circuit Judge PROST.
    REYNA, Circuit Judge.
    Rayland Young seeks review of the arbitrator’s opin-
    ion and award, dated August 31, 2011, denying his griev-
    ance that challenged his termination. For the reasons set
    forth below, we reverse the arbitrator’s decision and
    remand for further proceedings consistent with this
    opinion.
    I. BACKGROUND
    Mr. Young served as a Public Housing Revitalization
    Specialist in the Office of Public Housing in the Cleve-
    land, Ohio office of the Department of Housing and Urban
    Development (HUD). He had been employed by HUD for
    more than ten years. On August 31, 2010, Mr. Young was
    representing himself at an arbitration hearing, appealing
    his five-day suspension for disruptive behavior, misrepre-
    sentation of authority, and use of insulting language to
    and about other employees. One of the witnesses testify-
    ing against him was Gregory Darr, the Executive Director
    of the Coschocton Metropolitan Housing Authority and a
    HUD client.
    Following Mr. Darr’s testimony, there was a recess in
    the proceeding. According to Mr. Darr, while he was
    walking down the hallway, about 25-30 feet away from
    Mr. Young, Mr. Young shouted from immediately outside
    the door of the hearing room, “[y]ou are a racist. You are
    a member of the KKK, and you should be shot.” Mr. Darr
    YOUNG   v. HUD                                        3
    reported that he was shaken by the alleged incident, and
    he immediately relayed the events to an administrative
    officer, Reishmemah Haggins, and to the office manager,
    Doug Shelby. Mr. Darr also insisted on filing a statement
    with the Federal Protective Service. Mr. Darr did not
    identify any person who directly witnessed the alleged
    confrontation. In the days that followed the incident,
    distress within the office grew as word of the supposed
    confrontation spread. On September 3, 2010, Mr. Young
    was placed on administrative leave.
    Shawn Sweet, Director of the Cleveland Hub Office of
    Public Housing prepared a proposal for disciplinary action
    to be taken against Mr. Young. Ms. Sweet determined
    that Mr. Young’s conduct was similar to Offense Five from
    the HUD Handbook No. 0752, “[r]ude boisterous, or
    disruptive conduct; use of insulting, abusive or offensive
    language to or about other employees,” but bordered on
    Offense Six, “[t]hreatening behavior.” His threatening
    behavior was her key concern in recommending Mr.
    Young’s termination. But the reason Ms. Sweet gave for
    the punishment she recommended was that he “[made] an
    aggressive or intimidating statement to an Agency wit-
    ness at an arbitration hearing.” Joint App’x 17.
    Once Ms. Sweet issued her notice of proposed remov-
    al, Unabyrd Wadhams, Regional Public Housing Director,
    became the deciding official. Ms. Wadhams reviewed the
    proposal as well as the notes and supporting documents.
    She also interviewed several relevant witnesses, including
    Mr. Darr, Mr. Shelby, Ms. Haggins, and Jimmy Davis.
    Notably, Ms. Wadhams conducted all of her interviews
    after Mr. Young submitted his oral and written state-
    ments. This meant that Mr. Young was unaware of the
    content and substance of the interviews and was unable
    to respond to anything unearthed during those inter-
    views.
    4                                             YOUNG   v. HUD
    Ms. Wadhams found Mr. Darr’s account of the inci-
    dent credible, but its only support came from other indi-
    viduals who relied on what Mr. Darr had told them about
    the incident. No witnesses testified that they either saw
    or heard Mr. Young yell or shout at Mr. Darr. In contrast,
    Mr. Davis, a HUD employee assisting Mr. Young in the
    arbitration, submitted an affidavit on behalf of Mr. Young
    in which he stated, “I was with Mr. Young the entire time
    during this break. He never approached Mr. Darr and did
    not make any intimidating or aggressive statements to
    him. As a matter of fact he never said anything to Mr.
    Darr.” Joint App’x 35. During an interview held after
    Mr. Young made his submissions, Mr. Davis also testified
    that Mr. Young was in his view the entire break and that
    he did not witness Mr. Young scream, threaten, or other-
    wise interact with Mr. Darr. During the arbitration,
    HUD stipulated that Thomas Massouras, counsel for
    HUD at the hearing outside which the incident allegedly
    occurred, stayed in the hearing room during the entire
    recess and heard no confrontation or yelling. Consistent
    with these clear statements, Mr. Young and Mr. Davis
    maintained that they spent the entire recess outside the
    hearing room, while Mr. Davis later acknowledged in his
    interview that the two went to his cubicle during the
    recess and that he checked email and attended to other
    matters. Ms. Wadhams determined that this discrepancy
    wholly undermined Mr. Davis’ credibility as a witness
    and, as a result, Ms. Wadhams determined that Mr.
    Young engaged in the conduct described in Ms. Sweet’s
    proposal for removal. Mr. Young was never apprised of
    these supposed inconsistencies, nor did he have a chance
    to respond to them because the interview only occurred
    after Mr. Young had fully been heard.
    In sustaining the recommendation to remove Mr.
    Young, Ms. Wadhams explained that she considered this
    as his second offense (the first being the conduct that gave
    rise to the five-day suspension). She viewed Mr. Young’s
    YOUNG   v. HUD                                          5
    conduct as a very serious threat, and one that was partic-
    ularly egregious because he directed it at a HUD client.
    She also explained that the language Mr. Young allegedly
    used was similar to language he allegedly used on other
    occasions, including the incident that gave rise to the
    prior appeal, so she treated those past incidents as evi-
    dence of a pattern of misconduct. On the basis of these
    considerations, Ms. Wadhams concluded that removal
    was the appropriate measure.
    Following Ms. Wadhams’ decision, Mr. Young arbi-
    trated his grievance before Marvin J. Feldman. The
    arbitrator found Mr. Darr’s testimony credible while Mr.
    Davis’ testimony was inconsistent and lacking in candor.
    As for the proposed penalty, the arbitrator also noted that
    this was Mr. Young’s second offense. But when discussing
    the first incident, the arbitrator described it as “nothing
    more than the predecessor of the activity involving the
    instant matter.” Joint App’x 12. Finally, regarding Mr.
    Young’s due process arguments, the arbitrator found
    them unfounded because he had been given adequate
    time at the end of his arbitration hearing to address
    them. The arbitrator found the charge against Mr. Young
    supported by preponderant evidence and denied the
    grievance. Following the arbitrator’s decision, Mr. Young
    appealed to this court. We have jurisdiction pursuant to 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 7121
    (f) and 7703.
    II. STANDARD OF REVIEW
    This court reviews an arbitrator’s decision, issued
    pursuant to a negotiated grievance procedure, under the
    same standard that applies to appeals from the Merit
    Systems Protection Board. 
    5 U.S.C. § 7121
    (f) (2006);
    Dixon v. Dep’t of Transp., 
    8 F.3d 798
    , 803 (Fed. Cir. 1993).
    Under that standard, we must affirm the arbitrator’s
    decision unless it is (1) arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of
    discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law; (2)
    obtained without procedures required by law, rule, or
    6                                            YOUNG   v. HUD
    regulation having been followed; or (3) unsupported by
    substantial evidence. 
    5 U.S.C. § 7703
    (c); Dixon, 
    8 F.3d at 803
    . In addition, we must reverse an arbitrator’s decision
    if it is not in accordance with the requirements of the Due
    Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment or any other
    constitutional provision. Cf. Ward v. U.S. Postal Serv.,
    
    634 F.3d 1274
    , 1278 (Fed. Cir. 2011).
    III. DISCUSSION
    The proceedings leading to Mr. Young’s removal pre-
    sent serious concerns related to constitutional due process
    and observance of agency procedures, both of which the
    arbitrator failed to adequately address. In that order, we
    explain why each concern amounts to a violation and
    requires reversal.
    A. Due Process
    Procedural due process requires that certain substan-
    tive rights—including the property interest established by
    certain kinds of federal employment—cannot be deprived
    unless constitutionally adequate procedures are followed.
    Stone v. Fed. Deposit Ins. Corp., 
    179 F.3d 1368
    , 1375 (Fed.
    Cir. 1999) (quoting Cleveland Bd. of Educ. v. Loudermill,
    
    470 U.S. 532
    , 541 (1985)). Applicable to this case are
    “[t]he essential requirements of due process, . . . notice
    and an opportunity to respond.” Id. at 1375-76 (quoting
    Loudermill, 
    470 U.S. at 546
    ). As such, an employee is
    entitled to notice of the charges against him, an explana-
    tion of the employer’s evidence, and an opportunity to
    present his side of the story before termination. Id. at
    1376 (quoting Loudermill, 
    470 U.S. at 546
    ); see also
    Douglas v. Veterans Admin., 
    5 M.S.P.R. 280
    , 304 (1981).
    When an employer obtains new and material infor-
    mation through ex parte communications, an “employee’s
    constitutional due process guarantee of notice (both of the
    charges and of the employer's evidence) and the oppor-
    tunity to respond” are undermined. Stone, 179 F.3d at
    YOUNG   v. HUD                                         7
    1376. Where an employee has notice only of certain
    charges or portions of the evidence and the deciding
    official considers new and material information, proce-
    dural due process guarantees are not met because the
    employee is no longer on notice of the reasons for dismis-
    sal and/or the evidence relied upon by the agency. 
    Id.
    As we observed in Stone, not every ex parte communi-
    cation is a procedural defect that is so substantial and so
    prejudicial as to undermine the due process guarantee
    and require an entirely new administrative proceeding.
    Rather, “only ex parte communications that introduce new
    and material information” to the deciding official violate
    the due process guarantee of notice. 
    Id. at 1377
    .
    In Stone, we identified several useful factors to con-
    sider when determining if new and material information
    has been introduced by means of ex parte contacts: (1)
    whether the ex parte communication introduces “cumula-
    tive” information or new information; (2) whether the
    employee knew of the communication and had a chance to
    respond; and (3) whether the ex parte communication
    resulted in undue pressure upon the deciding official to
    rule in a particular manner. 
    Id.
     Where “the ex parte
    communication is so substantial and so likely to cause
    prejudice that no employee can fairly be required to be
    subjected to a deprivation of property under such circum-
    stances,” a due process violation has occurred and the
    former employee is entitled to a new constitutionally
    correct removal procedure. 
    Id.
     Such a violation is not
    subject to the harmless error test. 
    Id.
     (citing Sullivan v.
    Dep’t of the Navy, 
    720 F.2d 1266
    , 1274 (Fed. Cir. 1983)).
    Under the first Stone factor, HUD argues that the de-
    ciding official uncovered cumulative, rather than “new
    and material,” information during her investigatory
    interviews of Mr. Darr, Mr. Shelby, Ms. Haggins, and Mr.
    Davis. HUD maintains that Blank v. Department of the
    Army, 
    247 F.3d 1225
     (Fed. Cir. 2001), authorizes such
    8                                             YOUNG   v. HUD
    interviews to “confirm and clarify information that was
    already contained in the record.” 
    Id. at 1229
    .
    We are convinced that the ex parte communications in
    this case were more than “confirming and clarifying
    information” that was already on the record because the
    deciding official described the ex parte communication as
    a “huge” departure from written statements already on
    the record. The deciding official also admitted that the ex
    parte communications were the most critical statements
    in her mind. The significant and overwhelming role that
    the new communication played in the termination deci-
    sion makes it evident that the ex parte communications
    introduced new and material information as understood
    under the first Stone factor.
    As we observed in Ward—a case very similar to this
    one—the third Stone factor, undue pressure, is less rele-
    vant to determining whether the ex parte communications
    deprived the employee of due process where, as here, the
    deciding official admits that the ex parte communications
    influenced her determination. 
    634 F.3d at
    1280 n.2.
    Based on record admissions regarding the significance of
    the ex parte communications, the first Stone factor strong-
    ly suggests a due process violation while any deficiency of
    the third factor is less significant.
    We also find HUD’s reliance on Blank misplaced for
    another reason. In that case, the Board actually analyzed
    the allegedly improper ex parte communications under the
    Stone factors, and this court found those findings sup-
    ported by substantial evidence. Blank, 
    247 F.3d at 1229
    .
    In this case, the arbitrator performed no due process
    analysis whatsoever. Cf. Stone, 
    179 F.3d at 1377
    . In-
    stead, the arbitrator merely noted that “[Mr. Young]
    received a full disclosure by the employer when request-
    ed . . . . [and] . . . was given, at the end of the hearing,
    sufficient time to reflect on his activities in the case.”
    Joint App’x 15. But the opportunity “to reflect on his
    YOUNG   v. HUD                                          9
    activities” post-termination does not address whether Mr.
    Young had notice and an opportunity to be heard at the
    investigation stage. Instead, the controverted ex parte
    contacts arose after Mr. Young had made his written and
    oral statements to the deciding official. Mr. Young had no
    opportunity to respond to the allegedly inconsistent
    statements Mr. Davis had made only in his ex parte
    interview with the deciding official before the deciding
    official rendered her decision. This defect during the
    investigation stage more than satisfies the second Stone
    factor considering that Mr. Young neither learned of the
    ex parte communication, nor had an opportunity to re-
    spond to it before the deciding official. We also note the
    likelihood that any response from Mr. Young would have
    been meaningful in addressing the allegedly inconsistent
    statements. Given the layout of the HUD offices, the
    proximity of the hearing room to Mr. Davis’s cubicle, and
    the sworn testimony that Mr. Young was in view of Mr.
    Davis at all times, the perceived inconsistency in Mr.
    Davis’s statements appears easily reconcilable.
    Mr. Young was entitled to “procedural fairness at
    each stage of the removal proceedings,” not just upon
    review of the termination decision. Stone, 
    179 F.3d at 1376
    . No amount of time for reflection can excuse past
    due process violations. “[W]hen these rights are under-
    mined, [he] is entitled to relief regardless of the stage of
    the proceedings.” 
    Id.
     We conclude as a matter of law that
    the ex parte communications from this case were so sub-
    stantial and so likely to cause prejudice that no employee
    can fairly be required to be subjected to a deprivation of
    property under these circumstances. 
    Id. at 1377
    . A due
    process violation has occurred and Mr. Young is entitled
    to a new constitutionally correct removal procedure. 1
    1  The dissent accuses the majority of wearing blin-
    ders in our review of the termination proceeding. The
    problem with this perspective is that the dissent, like the
    10                                             YOUNG   v. HUD
    B. Violation of Agency Procedures
    Even if Mr. Young’s due process rights had not been
    violated, the deciding official’s conduct resulted in a
    harmful procedural error requiring reversal. Cf. Ward,
    
    634 F.3d at 1281
    . Applicable regulations instruct the
    deciding official to “consider only the reasons specified in
    the notice of proposed action and any answer of the em-
    ployee” in arriving at a removal decision. 
    5 CFR § 752.404
    (g)(1) (2012). Similarly, HUD’s Adverse Actions
    Handbook explains that a deciding official’s “decision
    must be based on the evidence relied upon to support the
    proposal, and not on ‘ex parte’ (with only one side present)
    communications; i.e., conversation that provides addition-
    al evidence that is not provided to the employee for com-
    ment or response.” Dep’t of Housing and Urban Dev.
    Admin., Handbook 0752.02 REV-3, Adverse Actions (Dec.
    1, 2000). “It is a procedural error . . . for ‘an agency to
    rely on matters . . . without including those matters in the
    proposal notice.’” Ward, 
    634 F.3d at 1281
     (quoting Cole-
    man v. Dep’t of Defense, 
    100 M.S.P.R. 574
    , 579 (2005)).
    Accordingly, because the deciding official relied on ex
    parte communications that were not part of the original
    proposal for removal, HUD committed procedural error.
    
    Id.
    deciding officer below, starts from the position that Mr.
    Young indisputably engaged in the behavior of which he
    is accused, relying on prior experiences, the truth and
    veracity of which were not adjudged below or brought on
    appeal. See, e.g., dissent at 2 (“Young is not a stranger to
    disciplinary proceedings.”); see also 
    id.
     at 2 n.1 (crediting
    the unsubstantiated “fears” of Mr. Young’s co-workers).
    Thus, the dissent concludes that the ex parte communica-
    tions were harmless procedural errors that merely “con-
    firmed” Mr. Young’s behavior. We believe the record
    evidence on that point is sufficiently in dispute that Mr.
    Young’s due process rights must be safeguarded.
    YOUNG   v. HUD                                         11
    C. Evidence of Prior Misconduct
    Finally, we believe that the deciding official and the
    arbitrator erred in basing their decisions—in part—upon
    similar instances of past misconduct. In particular, the
    deciding official explained that she found “Mr. Darr’s
    report . . . credible because the language he reported [Mr.
    Young] using is similar to language that the record shows
    [he] . . . used on other occasions, including those which
    have been the basis for prior discipline.” Joint App’x 22.
    Similarly, the arbitrator noted that “[t]here is no doubt in
    th[e] writer’s mind [Mr. Young] was responsible for the
    commentary to Darr at the time and place complained of.
    [Mr. Young’s] alleged activity was nothing more than a
    continuation of his behavior pattern that has followed the
    course of his presidency at the Cleveland HUD agency
    office.” 
    Id. at 11
    .
    The Board has previously held that, while prior mis-
    conduct may be considered in determining the appropri-
    ateness of a penalty or impeaching credibility where the
    prior misconduct relates to the propensity for honesty,
    reliance on prior conduct to prove whether the petitioner
    engaged in the same conduct on another occasion is
    inappropriate. See Carrick v. U.S. Postal Serv., 
    67 M.S.P.R. 280
    , 283, aff’d, 
    69 F.3d 555
     (Fed. Cir. 1995); see
    also Bennett v. Dep’t of the Air Force, 
    84 M.S.P.R. 132
    , 138
    (M.S.P.B. 1999); Hawkins v. Smithsonian Inst., 
    73 M.S.P.R. 397
    , 403 (M.S.P.B. 1997). Similarly, in Ibrahim
    v. Department of the Army, 
    30 M.S.P.R. 531
    , 536 (1986),
    the Board, looking to Federal Rule of Evidence 404(a) for
    guidance, stated that “[t]he basic rule is that character
    evidence may not be introduced circumstantially to prove
    the conduct of the witness.” We agree. While the Federal
    Rules of Evidence do not apply to Board hearings, we
    have found them to be a helpful guide to proper hearing
    practices. Yanopoulos v. Dep’t of Navy, 
    796 F.2d 468
    , 471
    (Fed. Cir. 1986). On remand, Mr. Young’s past miscon-
    duct should not be used to prove charges that have been
    12                                           YOUNG   v. HUD
    asserted against him in this case. Mr. Young’s identity is
    not at issue here and the government’s reliance on Feder-
    al Rule of Evidence 404(b) to excuse this use of character
    evidence is without merit.
    IV. CONCLUSION
    Because we conclude that Mr. Young’s due process
    rights have been violated and that the agency violated its
    own procedures, we reverse the arbitrator’s decision and
    remand for further proceedings consistent with this
    opinion. Given this disposition, we need not address the
    other grounds for relief asserted by the petitioner.
    REVERSED AND REMANDED
    COSTS
    No costs.
    United States Court of Appeals
    for the Federal Circuit
    ______________________
    RAYLAND YOUNG,
    Petitioner,
    v.
    DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN
    DEVELOPMENT,
    Respondent.
    ______________________
    2011-3232
    ______________________
    Petition for review of an arbitrator’s decision in FMCS
    no. 111228-52284-6, by Marvin J. Feldman.
    PROST, Circuit Judge, dissenting.
    I disagree with the majority that Young’s termination
    amounted to a violation of his due process rights. In my
    opinion, Young received all the process he was due—and
    more. The majority views the termination proceedings
    with blinders, focusing solely on one particular portion of
    Wadhams’s investigation without considering the exten-
    sive pre- and post-termination proceedings that Young
    received. In doing so, the majority creates an unneces-
    sarily stringent due process standard that bumps up
    against Supreme Court precedent and opens the door to
    meritless claims by duly-terminated employees. For these
    reasons, I respectfully dissent.
    2                                             YOUNG   v. HUD
    I
    Young is not a stranger to disciplinary proceedings.
    The alleged conduct at issue in this case occurred during
    an earlier arbitration proceeding in which Young was
    contesting a five-day suspension for allegedly engaging in
    disruptive behavior when he did not receive a specific
    desk. J.A. 6. One of HUD’s witnesses at that earlier
    proceeding was Gregory Darr, who happened to be visit-
    ing HUD’s Cleveland Field Office when Young had en-
    gaged in the behavior upon which his five-day suspension
    had been based. While questioning Darr during that
    proceeding, Young, on the record, asked Darr whether he
    was a racist. Young later allegedly told Darr during a
    break in the same proceeding, “You are a racist, you are a
    member of the Ku Klux Klan and you should be shot.” 1
    J.A. 17. Based on this latter statement, Shawn Sweet
    proposed Young’s removal, and Young ultimately was
    terminated.
    II
    Under Cleveland Board of Education v. Loudermill,
    an agency’s pre-termination proceedings need only afford
    the employee “oral or written notice of the charges against
    him, an explanation of the employer’s evidence, and an
    opportunity to present his side of the story.” 
    470 U.S. 532
    , 547 (1985). These proceedings “need not definitely
    1  Indeed, in response to Young’s alleged statement
    during the break, his coworkers “expressed elevated
    concern in the possibility that Mr. Young’s unpredictable
    behavior will become violent.” J.A. 13. In fact, one
    coworker stated that “people here are scared, and their
    feelings are becoming more intensified because of the
    behavior of Mr. Young. They are afraid of him. . . . This is
    no way to work. No one should come into work fearful of
    what might happen if Mr. Young shows up and gets
    angry.” J.A. 14.
    YOUNG   v. HUD                                           3
    resolve the propriety of the discharge” but are only “an
    initial check against mistaken decisions—essentially, a
    determination of whether there are reasonable grounds to
    believe that the charges against the employee are true
    and support the proposed action.” 
    Id. at 545-46
    . Here,
    Young received all the process to which he was entitled.
    The notice of proposed removal informed Young that his
    removal was based on the statement he allegedly made to
    Darr. It further noted that there was evidence that Darr
    was visibly shaken by Young’s alleged statement and that
    Darr had complained to the Field Office Manager. J.A.
    17. Young was then given an opportunity to respond to
    this charge prior to his termination. Ultimately, Young’s
    termination was based on the precise charge for which he
    was accorded an opportunity to respond. In my opinion,
    these pre-termination proceedings undoubtedly provided
    enough process to allow Wadhams, the deciding official, to
    determine whether there were reasonable grounds to
    believe that Young made the alleged statements and
    whether termination was the appropriate penalty.
    The majority, however, concludes that these pre-
    termination proceedings were insufficient because Young
    did not have an opportunity to respond to the evidence
    uncovered during Wadhams’s ex parte pre-termination
    investigation. As we have previously recognized, howev-
    er, “not every ex parte communication is a procedural
    defect so substantial and likely to cause prejudice that it
    undermines . . . due process.” Ward v. U.S. Postal Serv.,
    
    634 F.3d 1274
    , 1279 (Fed. Cir. 2011) (quoting Stone v.
    FDIC, 
    179 F.3d 1368
    , 1376-77 (Fed. Cir. 1999)). Instead,
    “the ultimate inquiry is whether the ex parte communica-
    tion is ‘so substantial and so likely to cause prejudice that
    no employee can fairly be required to be subjected to a
    deprivation of property under such circumstances.’” 
    Id.
    (quoting Blank v. Dep’t of the Army, 
    247 F.3d 1225
    , 1229
    (Fed. Cir. 2001)).
    4                                            YOUNG   v. HUD
    Here, I cannot accept that the identified ex parte
    communications created such prejudice to Young that his
    due process rights were violated. Young argues that these
    ex parte communications—particularly Wadhams’s com-
    munications related to Davis’s alibi for Young—led Wad-
    hams to discount Davis’s affidavit, an affidavit which
    Young himself had submitted to support his response to
    the proposed notice of removal. See Young Br. 22 (“In
    particular, Ms. Wadhams discounted Mr. Davis’ affidavit
    upon information she obtained ex parte from Mr. Davis
    and other HUD employees she interviewed, and this
    information was pivotal to her decision to sustain the
    charge against Mr. Young.”). The ex parte communica-
    tions, therefore, did not result in new and material infor-
    mation to support the charge against Young, but merely
    followed up on Young’s own evidence. That is, Young was
    informed of the specific charge against him, had an oppor-
    tunity to respond to the charge, and was ultimately
    removed based solely on that charge. Nevertheless,
    Young is arguing that he had a right to know—before his
    termination—whether the deciding official would credit
    his evidence. This is not the law.
    Furthermore, to the extent that Young is arguing that
    Wadhams’s additional communications with HUD em-
    ployees violated his due process rights, those communica-
    tions simply confirmed what was already noted in the
    proposed notice of removal: Darr was visibly shaken after
    the alleged encounter with Young. J.A. 17. Where, as
    here, the deciding official interviews other agency em-
    ployees “merely to confirm and clarify information that
    was already in the record . . . there is no due process
    violation.” Blank, 
    247 F.3d at 1229
    . Consequently, on
    this record, I am unwilling to conclude that Wadhams’s ex
    parte communications were “so substantial and so likely
    to cause prejudice” that they amounted to a due process
    violation.
    YOUNG   v. HUD                                           5
    Even assuming Wadhams’s ex parte investigation did
    taint the pre-termination proceedings, the post-
    termination hearings before the arbitrator decidedly
    cured any procedural due process deficiencies. Our sister
    circuits, applying Loudermill, have recognized that “ex-
    tensive post-termination proceedings may cure inade-
    quate pre-termination proceedings.” Krentz v. Robertson
    Fire Prot. Dist., 
    228 F.3d 897
    , 902 (8th Cir. 2000); Schacht
    v. Wisconsin Dep’t of Corrections, 
    175 F.3d 497
    , 503 (7th
    Cir. 1999) (“[Plaintiff’s] procedural due process claim fails
    . . . because, even if he could prove his claim, he had
    adequate post-termination administrative remedies he
    could have pursued.”). In this case, the arbitrator held a
    four-day hearing during which Davis testified and Young
    had an opportunity both to present his side of the story
    and to cross-examine HUD’s witnesses. The arbitrator
    was not persuaded by Young’s version of the events and
    instead credited Darr’s testimony. We owe the arbitra-
    tor’s determinations the same deference that we apply to
    decisions from the Board. See 
    5 U.S.C. § 7121
    (f); Frank v.
    Dep’t of Transp., 
    35 F.3d 1554
    , 1556 (Fed. Cir. 1994).
    III
    I also disagree with the majority’s determination that
    Wadhams’s conduct violated agency policy and somehow
    “resulted in a harmful procedural error requiring rever-
    sal.” Maj. Op. at 10. As an initial matter, it is unclear
    whether HUD’s Adverse Actions Handbook is actually
    binding on the agency. See Farrell v. Dep’t of the Interior,
    
    314 F.3d 584
    , 590 (Fed. Cir. 2002) (“The general consen-
    sus is that an agency statement, not issued as a formal
    regulation, binds the agency only if the agency intended
    the statement to be binding.” (citations omitted)). But
    even if it were, Wadhams’s ultimate decision was not
    “based on” her ex parte communications. Nor did Wad-
    hams rely on these communications to glean additional
    reasons for terminating Young in violation of 
    5 CFR § 52.404
    (g)(1). Rather, the communications here were
    6                                              YOUNG   v. HUD
    merely an attempt to confirm and clarify information—
    submitted by Young—that was already contained in the
    record. In my view, such communications do not amount
    to procedural error, let alone harmful procedural error.
    Finally, neither the arbitrator nor Wadhams improp-
    erly relied upon Young’s prior misconduct. While the
    arbitrator did mention it, there is no indication that this
    recognition played any role in his conclusion that the
    agency proved the charge at issue here. Indeed, before
    discussing Young’s past behavior pattern, the arbitrator
    had already concluded that “[t]here is no doubt in this
    writer’s mind that the grievant was responsible for the
    commentary to Darr at the time and place complained of.”
    J.A. 11. Similarly, Wadhams’s decision letter expressly
    recognized “that the sustained charge, standing alone,
    regardless of [the] first or second offense, is sufficient to
    justify [Young’s] removal.” J.A. 23.
    IV
    In sum, let us be clear: Wadhams did not rely upon
    her ex parte communications to bring additional charges
    against Young, or even to provide additional proof that
    Young committed the misconduct specifically charged
    here. Rather, she relied upon these communications
    merely to confirm and clarify information that was al-
    ready contained in the record. That is not a violation of
    due process. We should defer to the arbitrator’s assess-
    ment of Young and his claim and affirm. I respectfully
    dissent.