Tilkey v. Allstate Ins. Co. ( 2020 )


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  • Filed 4/21/20
    CERTIFIED FOR PUBLICATION
    COURT OF APPEAL, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION ONE
    STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    MICHAEL A. TILKEY,                                D074459
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    v.                                        (Super. Ct. No. 37-2016-00015545-
    CU-OE-CTL)
    ALLSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY,
    Defendant and Appellant.
    APPEAL from a judgment of the Superior Court of San Diego County,
    Frederick L. Link, Judge. Affirmed in part; reversed in part.
    Brown Law Group, Janice P. Brown, Arlene R. Yang; Akin Gump Strauss Hauer
    & Feld, Rex S. Heinke, Jessica M. Weisel; Cozen & O'Connor, Anneliese Wermuth, and
    Jenny R. Goltz, for Defendant and Appellant.
    Edleson & Rezzo, Louis "Chip" Edleson, Joann F. Rezzo; Williams Iagmin and
    Jon R. Williams, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
    INTRODUCTION
    While Michael Tilkey and his girlfriend Jacqueline Mann were visiting at her
    home in Arizona, the two got into an argument. Tilkey decided to leave the apartment.
    When he stepped out onto the enclosed patio to collect his cooler, Mann locked the door
    behind him. Tilkey banged on the door to regain entry, and Mann called police. Police
    arrested Tilkey and charged him under Arizona law with criminal damage deface,
    possession or use of drug paraphernalia, and disorderly conduct, disruptive behavior.
    Domestic violence charges were attached to the criminal damage and disorderly conduct
    charges.
    Tilkey pled guilty to the disorderly conduct charge only, and the other two charges
    were dropped. After Tilkey completed a domestic nonviolence diversion program, the
    disorderly conduct charge was dismissed. Before the disorderly conduct charge was
    dismissed, Tilkey's company of 30 years, Allstate Insurance Company (Allstate),
    terminated his employment based on his arrest for a domestic violence offense and his
    participation in the diversion program. Allstate informed Tilkey it was discharging him
    for threatening behavior and/or acts of physical harm or violence to another person.
    Following the termination, Allstate reported its reason for the termination on a Form U5,
    filed with Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) and accessible to any firm
    that hired licensed broker-dealers like Tilkey. Tilkey sued Allstate for wrongful
    termination in violation of Labor Code1 section 432.7 and compelled, self-published
    defamation.
    1     Further statutory references are to the Labor Code unless otherwise specified.
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    At trial, Allstate presented evidence that it would have terminated his employment
    based on after-acquired evidence that Tilkey had circulated obscene and inappropriate e-
    mails using company resources.
    The jury returned a verdict in Tilkey's favor on all causes of action and awarded
    him $2,663,137 in compensatory damages and $15,978,822 in punitive damages. It
    advised the court that it did not find Allstate's after-acquired evidence defense credible,
    and the court agreed.
    Allstate appeals the verdicts, contending (1) it did not violate section 432.7 and so
    there was no wrongful termination; (2) compelled self-published defamation per se is not
    a viable tort theory; (3) it did not defame Tilkey because there is not substantial evidence
    its statement was not substantially true; (4) punitive damages are unavailable in
    compelled self-publication defamation causes of action; (5) the defamatory statement was
    not made with malice; and (6) the punitive damages awarded here were
    unconstitutionally excessive.
    We agree that Allstate did not violate section 432.7 when it terminated Tilkey's
    employment based on his plea and his participation in an Arizona domestic nonviolence
    program and will reverse that judgment. However, we conclude compelled self-
    published defamation is a viable theory, and substantial evidence supports the verdict that
    the statement was not substantially true, so we will affirm that portion of the judgment.
    Additionally, while we conclude punitive damages are available in this instance, the
    punitive damages awarded here are not proportionate to the compensatory damages for
    defamation, and we will remand the matter for recalculation of the punitive damages.
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    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    On August 16, 2014, Tilkey was staying with his girlfriend, Mann, and her young
    grandson in Arizona. After going out for the evening and drinking, the two began to
    argue, and Tilkey decided to leave the home. When Tilkey stepped outside onto the
    enclosed patio, Mann closed and locked the patio door, which was a traditional door with
    glass panes. Tilkey banged on the patio door, demanding to be let back in so he could
    gather his belongings, which were in the bedroom where Mann's grandson was sleeping.
    Mann called police.
    When police arrived, Mann told them she did not want Tilkey in the apartment
    because she was afraid he would wake up her grandson. Police noted the interior trim on
    the framing above the patio door was broken.
    Officers searched Tilkey's travel bag, which contained marijuana and a plastic
    container used to smoke marijuana. Police arrested Tilkey and filed three charges against
    him: criminal damage deface (Arizona Revised Statute [A.R.S.] § 13-1602A1),
    possession or use of drug paraphernalia (A.R.S. § 13-3415A), and disorderly conduct -
    disruptive behavior (A.R.S. § 13-2904A1). A domestic violence label was attached to the
    criminal damage and disorderly conduct charges.
    On August 31, 2014, Mann sent an e-mail to Tilkey at work mentioning the
    charges that had been filed against him. A field compliance employee later discovered
    this e-mail while conducting a routine compliance review and forwarded it to Human
    Resources (HR). HR professional Tera Alferos conducted the initial investigation; she
    interviewed Tilkey December 4, 2014. She noted Tilkey had been asked to accept a plea
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    deal to have two of the three charges dropped, then the last one dismissed. She never
    spoke with Mann or interviewed the arresting officers. She also did not investigate
    Mann's background or review her social media accounts.
    Mann sent an e-mail to Allstate March 3, 2015, which revealed the arrests and
    made several other allegations. That same day, the e-mail was shared with Harriet Harty,
    Executive Vice President of HR; Christina Metzger, Vice President of HR; and Tyrone
    Burno, Director of HR. Alferos added the e-mail to the case file. A couple weeks later,
    Alferos sent Burno a summary of her investigation, which stated that the police report
    had been reviewed and noted Tilkey had been charged with but not convicted of a crime.
    The summary also explained there was no FINRA reporting obligation because there
    were no felony charges, and it concluded there had been no violation of company policy.
    On March 31, 2015, Alferos provided Burno with a revised summary of
    investigation that added that Tilkey had entered a diversion program for the disorderly
    conduct (domestic violence) charge, resulting in a deferred prosecution. Burno then
    changed the conclusion to state Tilkey's behavior may have been at a level that caused the
    company to lose confidence in him. Burno supplied this version of the summary of
    investigation to Metzger, Harty, and Greg Burns, the senior vice president of HR, the
    same day.
    At Burno's request, Alferos next added references to the domestic violence charge
    because it suggested Tilkey had engaged in behavior that could be construed as acts of
    physical harm or violence toward another person, in violation of company policy.
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    On April 16, 2015, Metzger e-mailed Harty stating she and Burns could support a
    decision to terminate Tilkey's employment or not. In a May 4, 2015 e-mail referencing
    the decision to terminate Tilkey's employment, Metzger wrote that they were amending
    the reason for terminating Tilkey to be "violence against another person whether
    employed by Allstate or not." Alferos submitted a formal termination request two days
    later stating that based on Tilkey's voluntary entrance into a diversion program, he had
    engaged in acts of physical harm or violence to another person. It identified the policy
    violation as "[t]hreats or acts of physical harm or violence to the property or assets of the
    Company, or to any person, regardless of whether he/she is employed by Allstate." The
    summary of investigation attached to the termination request stated, "the retention of the
    domestic violence charges suggests that Tilkey engaged in behavior that was construed as
    acts of physical harm or violence towards another person."
    Following written approval from Tilkey's supervisors, the company terminated
    Tilkey's employment on May 27, 2015. When the company terminated his employment,
    it informed Tilkey, "Your employment is being terminated as a result of engaging in
    behaviors that are in violation of Company Policy. Specifically, engaging in threatening
    behavior and/or acts of physical harm or violence to any person, regardless of whether
    he/she is employed by Allstate."
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    The company then filed a Form U5 with FINRA2 reporting its reason for
    terminating him as follows: "Termination of employment by parent property and
    casualty insurance company after allegations of engaging in behaviors that are in
    violation of company policy, specifically, engaging in threatening behavior and/or acts of
    physical harm or violence to any person, regardless of whether he/she is employed by
    Allstate. Not securities related."
    On July 1, 2015, the State of Arizona filed a motion to dismiss the case against
    Tilkey with prejudice, and the court approved it the same day.
    Tilkey sued Allstate asserting three causes of action: (1) violation of section
    432.7; (2) wrongful termination based on noncompliance with section 432.7; and
    (3) compelled self-published defamation to prospective employers.
    As part of its defense at trial, Allstate presented evidence that Tilkey had used
    company equipment, including the company-issued laptop computer and the company's
    Intranet and Internet system, to forward e-mails containing graphic nudity and racist
    jokes, among other items. It argued that had it known of these e-mails at the time, it
    would have discharged Tilkey. Tilkey presented evidence that the circulation of the e-
    mails was part of the culture of the workplace.
    Following trial, the jury returned a verdict for Tilkey and awarded $2,663,137 in
    compensatory damages, with $960,222 for wrongful termination and $1,702,915 for
    2      The Form U5 is a document to let FINRA know if there is a change in the status
    regarding the licensing of a licensed broker dealer.
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    defamation, and $15,978,822 in punitive damages. The jury concluded that Tilkey
    engaged in misconduct by sending the inappropriate e-mails. However, it also advised
    the court that the misconduct was not sufficiently severe that Allstate would have
    discharged him as a matter of settled company policy because of that misconduct alone
    had Allstate known of it. The court agreed.
    Allstate moved for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict (JNOV) and for a new
    trial, motions which the trial court denied. Allstate timely appealed.
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    DISCUSSION
    I.
    WRONGFUL TERMINATION
    Allstate argues it did not violate section 432.7 when it used as a factor in its
    termination decision Tilkey's arrest and subsequent conditional plea and entry into a
    diversion program. Tilkey counters that the company's reliance on his arrest records
    violated section 432.7; thus, he was wrongfully terminated. The parties' disagreement
    hinges on the interpretation of section 432.7, subdivision (a)(1), which prohibits
    employers from utilizing as a factor in employment decisions any record of arrest or
    detention that did not result in conviction or any record regarding referral to or
    participation in any pretrial or posttrial diversion program.3
    A.
    Standard of Review
    Statutory interpretation is a legal issue, which we review de novo.
    (Weatherford v. City of San Rafael (2017) 
    2 Cal. 5th 1241
    , 1247.) In interpreting a
    statute, we attempt "to ascertain and effectuate the law's intended purpose." (Id. at
    p. 1246.) Our " 'fundamental task' " is " 'to determine the Legislature's intent so as to
    effectuate the law's purpose.' " (Carson Citizens for Reform v. Kawagoe (2009) 178
    3     The statute also prohibits an employer from seeking or using as a factor in an
    employment decision any record that concerns a conviction that has been judicially
    dismissed. (§ 432.7, subd. (a)(1).) The parties did not raise this as a basis for the
    wrongful termination claim.
    
    9 Cal. App. 4th 357
    , 366; Fluor Corp. v. Superior Court (2015) 
    61 Cal. 4th 1175
    , 1198
    (Fluor).) " ' "We begin with the plain language of the statute, affording the words of
    the provision their ordinary and usual meaning and viewing them in their statutory
    context, because the language employed in the Legislature's enactment generally is
    the most reliable indicator of legislative intent." [Citations.] The plain meaning
    controls if there is no ambiguity in the statutory language. [Citation.] If, however,
    "the statutory language may reasonably be given more than one interpretation,
    ' " 'courts may consider various extrinsic aids, including the purpose of the statute, the
    evils to be remedied, the legislative history, public policy, and the statutory scheme
    encompassing the statute.' " ' " [Citation.]' [Citation.]" (Fluor, at p. 1198.)
    B.
    Tilkey's Conditional Plea Agreement
    Section 432.7 prohibits an employer from considering as a factor in
    employment decisions including termination of "any record of arrest . . . that did not
    result in a conviction." (§ 432.7, subd. (a)(1).) Allstate argues a conditional plea
    agreement qualifies as a conviction. Tilkey contends he never entered a guilty plea; thus,
    there was no conviction. As we will explain, we conclude the term "conviction" as
    defined in section 432.7 does not require entry of judgment.
    " '[T]he term "conviction" has no fixed definition and has been interpreted by
    the courts of this state to have various meanings, depending upon the context in which
    the word is used[]' [Citation.]" (People v. Kirk (2006) 
    141 Cal. App. 4th 715
    , 720).
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    However, here, the statute defines a "conviction" to include "a plea, verdict, or finding
    of guilt regardless of whether sentence is imposed by the court." (§ 432.7, subd.
    (a)(3)(A).) The plain language here makes clear that a judgment is not required because
    the conviction can exist without respect to sentencing. (See ibid.)
    The statute's legislative history supports this interpretation. In 2013, the
    Legislature amended section 432.7 to include, among those items prohibited from a
    prospective employer's consideration, prior convictions that were dismissed by a court
    pursuant to Penal Code section 1203.4 unless the conviction was related to job
    performance. (Sen. Com. on Pub. Safety, Analysis of Sen. Bill No. 530 (2013-2014
    Reg. Sess.) Apr. 23, 2013, p. 7, ¶ 3.) The purpose of the amendment was "to close
    some loopholes and provide additional tools and changes to existing law to make
    effective existing state policy to remove employment barriers to those who have
    committed crimes that have been expunged by the courts." (Assem. Com. on
    Judiciary, Analysis of Sen. Bill No. 530 (2013-2014 Reg. Sess.) June 25, 2013,
    pp. 2-3.) This addition demonstrates that convictions and dismissed convictions
    represent two different categories of convictions. It also verifies that a conviction can
    exist even before judgment is entered, and it is different from one that is subsequently
    dismissed or expunged.
    Allstate asks us to follow the example provided by People v. Laino (2004) 
    32 Cal. 4th 878
    . While the cases are factually similar, there are distinctions between the
    provision of the "Three Strikes" law and section 432.7 that make the comparison
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    imprecise. In Laino, the defendant pled guilty in Arizona to assault with a firearm
    against his wife and received probation that included a diversion program, which he
    successfully completed. (Id. at p. 882.) The defendant was never sentenced for the
    crime because he complied with the terms of the agreement; instead, the court
    dismissed the charges. (Ibid.) The defendant was later charged with two counts of
    theft in California, and he argued the conditional guilty plea he entered in Arizona
    was not a conviction for purposes of the Three Strikes law. (Id. at p. 896.)
    The Supreme Court disagreed because California's Three Strikes law imposes
    punishment "[n]otwithstanding any other law" if the defendant was previously
    convicted of a felony. (Pen. Code, §§ 667, subd. (c), 1170.12, subd. (a).) The Three
    Strikes law defines "conviction" to include convictions in other jurisdictions that
    would be punishable by imprisonment if committed in California, based on the date of
    the conviction and unaffected by the sentencing. (Pen. Code, §§ 667, subd. (d)(1)
    & (2), 1170.12, subd. (b)(1) & (2).) Thus, under the Three Strikes law, "it is settled
    that for purposes of a prior conviction statute, a conviction occurs at the time of entry
    of the guilty plea." (People v. Castello (1998) 
    65 Cal. App. 4th 1242
    , 1253.)
    Section 432.7 does not contain similar provisions. The Labor Code does not
    provide details for determining the impact of a conviction in another jurisdiction or
    state that a conviction occurs on the date of the conviction. However, it does define
    conviction to include a plea, regardless of whether the court ultimately imposes a
    sentence. (See § 432.7, subd. (a)(3)(A).) Thus, for purposes of the Labor Code, a
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    conviction does not require an entry of judgment of guilt; it merely requires the entry
    of a plea.
    Having determined what "conviction" means in the context of section 432.7,
    we turn now to the plea-related documents in the matter.
    On January 15, 2015, Tilkey, his attorney, and the prosecutor signed a
    document entitled "Plea Agreement Diversion." The agreement stated it would "serve
    the ends of justice to suspend entry of judgment so that the defendant may participate
    in a diversion program." From this language, as well as a later-filed motion to dismiss
    the remaining charge, we conclude that there was no judgment of guilt in the Arizona
    court. However, as we have explained, a conviction under section 432.7 does not
    require an entry of judgment; it simply requires entry of a guilty plea.
    Section 9 of the Plea Agreement Diversion document suggests that the guilty
    plea agreement was not entered because it says that it "will be entered on the record
    by the Court" if the defendant "fails to timely show proof of compliance" with the
    conditions stated in the agreement. The defendant's signature on the document
    certifies that he "agree[s] to enter my plea of guilty as indicated above on the terms
    and conditions set forth in this document." These conditions included a domestic
    nonviolence program under the supervision of an Arizona company, as well as
    payment of court costs, and assessments, and compliance with other limitations, like
    nonpossession of firearms and staying away from Mann. Thus, this document shows
    Tilkey agreed to enter a type of deferred prosecution, with the entry of guilty plea
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    delayed until the prosecutor determined that Tilkey had completed the diversion
    program and remained in compliance with the other terms of the agreement.
    However, also on January 15, 2015, the Arizona court held a guilty plea
    proceeding. Appearing in that proceeding, Tilkey "expresse[d] a desire to plead guilty
    to" a class 1 misdemeanor, disorderly conduct fighting (DV), A.R.S. § 13-2904A1.
    Tilkey, his attorney, and the court signed this document, in which Tilkey certified that
    he understood "the constitutional rights which [he] [gave] up by entering this plea and
    that [he] still desire[d] to plead guilty." (Italics added.) The court's signature on the
    document certifies that it "conclude[s] that the [d]efendant knowingly, voluntarily and
    intelligently enters a plea to the above charge(s), and [it] accept[s] their plea." (Italics
    added.) The first document indicated a willingness to enter a diversion program on the
    promise of a deferred prosecution; the second document shows entry of a guilty plea.
    This understanding of what occurred is supported by the testimony of Tilkey's
    Arizona attorney, Carlos Estrada, who could not recall discussing with Tilkey whether
    the agreement would lead to a conviction, just that it would lead to a dismissal of the
    charges. Estrada testified that the purpose of the plea agreement diversion document
    and the guilty plea proceeding document were for the court to suspend the entry of
    judgment of guilt so that successful completion of the diversion program would result
    in dismissal of the remaining charge. Tilkey's testimony likewise focused on the
    ultimate outcome of the case; when asked if he believed the plea of guilt he entered
    had been entered on the record, Tilkey replied that he believed completion of the
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    diversion program would mean there would not be "any record of anything
    anywhere."
    Because Tilkey appeared before the Arizona court and entered a guilty plea,
    which the court accepted, Tilkey's guilty plea was a conviction under section 432.7.
    This information was used by Allstate to terminate Tilkey's employment in May 2015,
    before the charges against Tilkey were dismissed on July 1, 2015. Thus, Allstate did
    not violate section 432.7 by using Tilkey's Arizona arrest as a factor in its decision to
    terminate his employment.
    C.
    Tilkey's Referral to and Participation in Nondomestic Violence Diversion Program
    Section 432.7 also prohibits an employer from considering as a factor in an
    employment decision records of referral to or participation in a diversion program.
    (§ 432.7, subd. (a)(1).) It defines a pretrial or posttrial diversion program as "any
    program under Chapter 2.5 (commencing with Section 1000) or Chapter 2.7
    (commencing with Section 1001) of Title 6 of Part 2 of the Penal Code, Section 13201
    or 13352.5 of the Vehicle Code, Sections 626, 626.5, 654, or 725 of, or Article 20.5
    (commencing with Section 790) of Chapter 2 of Part 1 of Division 2 of, the Welfare
    and Institutions Code, or any other program expressly authorized and described by
    statute as a diversion program." (§ 432.7, subd. (j), italics added.)
    Allstate argues that because California views domestic nonviolence diversion
    programs as contrary to public policy, such a program is unauthorized, and thus the
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    company's consideration of Tilkey's participation in one did not violate section 432.7.
    Tilkey contends that a domestic nonviolence diversion program is one that is
    expressly authorized and described by statute in Arizona, and thus Allstate was
    prohibited from considering Tilkey's participation.
    Because there is ambiguity here, we consider the Legislature's intent. 
    (Fluor, supra
    , 61 Cal.4th at p. 1198.) In 1976, the California Attorney General issued an
    opinion questioning the authority of local prosecutors and courts to offer diversion
    programs for behavior identified by the Legislature as unlawful; it suggested counties
    could not legally institute diversion programs. (Health and Welfare Agency, Dept. of
    Health, Enrolled Bill Report on Assem. Bill No. 533 (1977-1978 Reg. Sess.) Aug. 31,
    1977, p. 1; Assemblyman Majority Leader Howard L. Berman, letter to Governor
    Edmund G. Brown, Jr. re Assem. Bill No. 533 (1977-1978 Reg. Sess.) Aug. 31, 1977,
    p. 1 [Berman Letter].) At the time, the state had collected little data regarding the
    effectiveness of diversion programs. (Berman Letter, at pp. 2-3.) Assembly Bill
    No. 533 authorized local communities to establish diversion programs and required
    counties employing the programs to supply annual reports to the Legislature. (Health
    and Welfare Agency, Dept. of Health, Enrolled Bill Report on Assem. Bill No. 533,
    supra, p. 2.)
    In 1979, the Legislature expressly authorized diversion for misdemeanor
    domestic violence charges using a system similar to the domestic nonviolence
    diversion program options available to Tilkey in Arizona. (See Stats. 1979, ch. 913,
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    § 1; Pen. Code, § 1000.6 et seq. [repealed].) The California statutes allowed courts to
    permit pretrial diversion without an admission of guilt and to dismiss criminal charges
    following successful completion of the program. (Id. at §§ 1000.6, subds. (a), (c);
    1000.9 [repealed].)
    During the 1995-1996 legislative session, the Legislature revisited domestic
    violence diversion programs. Domestic violence diversion programs were not
    meeting their intended goal, with only a 50 percent success rate reported in Los
    Angeles, and difficulty prosecuting cases when perpetrators failed to complete their
    diversion programs. (Sen. Rules Com., Office of Sen. Floor Analyses, 3d Reading
    analysis of Assem. Bill No. 168 (1995-1996 Reg. Sess.) as amended July 14, 1995,
    pp. 3-4; Sen. Rules Com., Office of Sen. Floor Analyses, 3d Reading analysis of
    Assem. Bill No. 169 (1995-1996 Reg. Sess.) as amended July 15, 1995, pp. 3-4.) The
    Assembly and Senate introduced competing bills.
    Assembly Bill No. 168 would have allowed domestic violence perpetrators to
    plead guilty and defer entry of judgment, contingent upon successful completion of a
    diversion program. (Sen. Rules Com., Office of Sen. Floor Analyses, 3d Reading
    analysis of Sen. Bill No. 168 (1995-1996 Reg. Sess.) as amended July 14, 1995, p. 2.)
    Senate Bill No. 169 would eliminate diversion as an option in all domestic violence
    cases. (Sen. Rules Com., Office of Sen. Floor Analyses, 3d Reading analysis of
    Assem. Bill No. 169 (1995-1996 Reg. Sess.) as amended July 15, 1995, p. 3, ¶ 1.)
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    After the Legislature passed both bills, the governor vetoed Assembly Bill
    No. 168, commenting, "we can no longer continue to treat domestic violence cases as
    if they are not more significant than traffic violations." (Governor's veto message to
    Assem. on Assem. Bill No. 168 (Oct. 4, 1995) (1995-1996 Reg. Sess.) p. 1.) The
    governor compared the two bills, explaining that Assembly Bill No. 168 would deem
    the arrest which formed the basis for the diversion to have never occurred, and
    explaining the "problem is a lack of accountability" because perpetrators could "opt to
    attend a counseling program without ever acknowledging that they have committed a
    crime and are prepared to accept the consequences." (Ibid.) He wrote that offering a
    deferred entry of judgment would merely be a cosmetic change and stated, "We must
    change the culture which makes domestic violence acceptable and dispel the myth that
    the battering of a domestic partner is a family matter, and something less than a
    crime." (Id. at pp. 1-2.)
    The state abolished domestic violence diversion programs about a decade
    before Tilkey engaged in the domestic nonviolence program in Arizona. Were he to
    have been charged with the same crime in California, a diversion program would not
    have been an option. It would be contrary to California's public policy against
    misdemeanor domestic violence diversion programs to prohibit consideration of
    Tilkey's participation in one. The location of the crime in Arizona does not have any
    effect on California's public policy opposing diversion for domestic violence offenses.
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    Accordingly, we conclude section 432.7's reference to diversion programs
    excludes out-of-state domestic violence programs, and Allstate's consideration of
    Tilkey's participation in one did not violate the law.
    We are unpersuaded by Tilkey's argument that the lack of reference to
    California authorities in section 432.7 means the Legislature did not intend to limit
    consideration of diversion programs only to those offered in California. The statutes
    cited by Tilkey as evidence the Legislature is capable of limiting the scope of its laws
    are different in kind than one authorizing diversion in lieu of criminal conviction
    because they relate to physical location for purposes of jurisdiction (see, e.g.,
    sections 220.2 and 226 referencing the location of employment records), or the
    geographical location of people protected by employment laws (see, e.g., §§ 250
    [seasonal labor to include employees hired in California who perform work out of
    state]; 1060, subd. (c) [applying only to employees whose "primary place of
    employment" is within California]; 1071 [addressing public transit employment
    within California].)
    We also disagree with Tilkey's claim that concluding a domestic violence
    diversion program offered in Arizona is not protected under section 432.7 means
    section 432.7 applies only to California arrests, detentions, and diversion programs.
    Our conclusion is more narrow: domestic violence diversion programs offered
    outside California are not protected under section 432.7 because California policy
    excludes such a benefit.
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    Finally, citing People v. Bedrossian (2018) 
    20 Cal. App. 5th 1070
    , Tilkey
    maintains that California provides statutory protections to domestic violence arrests
    and convictions and, therefore, we should honor Tilkey's participation in a domestic
    nonviolence diversion program. In Bedrossian, the First Appellate District Court of
    Appeal recognized that records of an arrest for domestic violence can be expunged
    under Penal Code section 851.8 when no accusatory pleading is filed. This case is not
    helpful because, unlike Tilkey, the defendant in Bedrossian did not plead guilty or
    admit any factual basis for the charges against him. (See
    id. at p.
    1073.) There, the
    court reasoned that the risk Bedrossian would be harmed by a delay in destruction of
    arrest records was mitigated by statutory protections like section 432.7 (Bedrossian, at
    p. 1075), but Bedrossian was not at risk because his arrest did not result in a
    conviction or a referral to a diversion program.4 (Bedrossian, at p. 1073.)
    4       Allstate does not argue, and we do not hold, that it would be proper for an
    employer to consider, after charges are dismissed, an arrest that results in conviction and
    punishment, followed by dismissal under Penal Code section 1203.4, which is the factual
    situation presented in the other cases cited by Tilkey. (See People v. Seymour (2015) 
    239 Cal. App. 4th 1418
    , 1421-1422 [defendant permitted to have felony domestic violence
    charge dismissed due to discharge from probation prior to termination of probation
    period]; see also Shirey v. Los Angeles County Civil Service Comm. (2013) 
    216 Cal. App. 4th 1
    , 4-5 [battery conviction set aside following probation and not guilty plea
    entered].) Penal Code section 1203.4 permits a court, in the interests of justice, after a
    defendant has fulfilled conditions of probation, or after a defendant has been discharged
    prior to the termination of probation, to withdraw a guilty plea or to set aside a guilty
    verdict, and to dismiss the accusations or information. The defendant is
    "thereafter. . . released from all penalties and disabilities resulting from the offense of
    which he or she has been convicted . . . ." (Pen. Code, § 1203.4, subd. (a)(1).) In
    contrast, when Tilkey was discharged from employment, the domestic violence charge
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    Having concluded that Allstate did not violate section 432.7 by utilizing
    Tilkey's arrest or participation in a domestic nonviolence diversion program as a
    factor in its employment termination decision, we will reverse the wrongful
    termination verdict.
    II.
    DEFAMATION
    Allstate next challenges the defamation verdict, contending that self-compelled
    defamation should not provide a basis for a defamation per se cause of action. It
    further contends there was no evidence here that Tilkey's self-publication was
    compelled by its publication of the reason for his employment termination on the
    Form U5 because that publication contained a privileged statement. Finally, Allstate
    maintains that its statement was substantially true, justifying reversal of the verdict.
    We review questions of law, and therefore the viability of self-compelled
    defamation per se theory, de novo. (Topanga and Victory Partners v. Toghia (2002)
    
    103 Cal. App. 4th 775
    , 779-780.) We look for substantial evidence regarding whether
    Tilkey was compelled to self-publish the defamatory statement, and we look for
    substantial evidence regarding whether the statement was substantially true. (See
    Sweatman v. Department of Veteran Affairs (2001) 
    25 Cal. 4th 62
    , 68 (Sweatman)
    [denial of JNOV reviewed under substantial evidence standard].) In so doing, we do
    against him had not been dismissed. Moreover, nothing prohibited Allstate's
    consideration of referral to a diversion program.
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    not " 'weigh the evidence, consider the credibility of witnesses, or resolve conflicts in
    the evidence or in the reasonable inferences that may be drawn from it.' " (Do v.
    Regents of the University of California (2013) 
    216 Cal. App. 4th 1
    474, 1492 (Do).)
    We consider disputed facts in a light most favorable to the jury's verdict. (Ibid.)
    For a valid defamation claim, the general rule is that "the publication must be
    done by the defendant." (Live Oak Publishing Co. v. Cohagan (1991) 
    234 Cal. App. 3d 1277
    , 1284 (Live Oak Publishing).) There is an exception "when it [is] foreseeable
    that the defendant's act would result in [a plaintiff's] publication to a third person."
    (Ibid.) For the exception to apply, the defamed party must operate under a strong
    compulsion to republish the defamatory statement, and the circumstances creating the
    compulsion must be known to the originator of the statement at the time he or she
    makes it to the defamed individual. (Beroiz v. Wahl (2000) 
    84 Cal. App. 4th 485
    , 497
    (Beroiz); Davis v. Consolidated Freightways (1994) 
    29 Cal. App. 4th 354
    , 373 (Davis);
    Live Oak Publishing, at p. 1285; McKinney v. County of Santa Clara (1980) 
    110 Cal. App. 3d 787
    , 796 (McKinney).)
    A.
    Compelled Self-Published Defamation Per Se
    Allstate asks us to reject combining the doctrines of defamation per se and self-
    defamation, arguing the two theories are at odds because compelled self-publication
    must occur for the purpose of countering an injury (loss of employment opportunity),
    while defamation per se does not require proof of actual damages. We do not find
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    these theories in conflict. In an action for defamation per se, the meaning is so clear
    from the face of the statement that the damages can be presumed. (Contento v.
    Mitchell (1972) 
    28 Cal. App. 3d 356
    , 358 (Contento).) However, that presumption
    does not mean an employee does not anticipate injury; nor does it mean there is no
    injury.
    Moreover, while compelled self-published defamation per se technically
    eliminates the need for publication by the defendant to a third party, a plaintiff cannot
    manufacture the defamation claim by simply publishing statements to a third party
    because the plaintiff must disclose contents of the employer's statement to a third
    party after reading or being informed of the contents. (Live Oak 
    Publishing, supra
    ,
    234 Cal.App.3d at p. 1284.) The originator of the statement is liable for the
    foreseeable repetition because of the causal link between the originator and the
    presumed damage to the plaintiff's reputation (see
    id. at p.
    1285), but the publication
    must be foreseeable. 
    (Davis, supra
    , 29 Cal.App.4th at p. 373.) The presumed injury
    is no less damaging because the plaintiff was compelled to make the statement instead
    of the employer making it directly to the third party.5
    5      While defamation per se does not require a finding of actual damages 
    (Contento, supra
    , 28 Cal.App.3d at pp. 357-358), in this case, the jury found that Tilkey suffered
    actual damages of $1,586,185 for harm to his profession or occupation, $111,000 for
    harm to his reputation, and $5,730 for shame, mortification, or hurt feelings.
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    Allstate offers several other arguments for why we should not accept a theory
    of compelled self-published defamation. Allstate argues a theory of self-publication
    undermines at-will employment, which allows companies to discharge employees
    capriciously, as long as the decision is not unlawful. Allstate also argues that
    permitting this cause of action may have a chilling effect on communication between
    an employer and employee, reducing the free flow of information due to self-
    censorship. Next, Allstate argues this theory of defamation incentivizes an employee
    to spread defamatory statements instead of mitigating damages. Finally, Allstate
    notes that employment is primarily a contractual relationship. These arguments do
    not persuade us to alter our conclusion here.
    These same arguments could be offered to support the elimination of a
    defamation cause of action against employers altogether—the crux of Allstate's
    argument is that because the employee controls whether a statement is repeated to a
    third party, the risks of an end-run around the at-will employment doctrine is greater.
    But the additional requirements of proving a strong compulsion, the necessity to
    disclose the statement, and the foreseeability of the repetition all contribute to
    discouraging employees from simply repeating the defamatory information instead of
    mitigating their damages. (See Live Oak 
    Publishing, supra
    , 234 Cal.App.3d at
    pp. 1284, 1285.)
    Allstate argues only one published case has permitted a compelled self-
    publication claim to survive summary judgment, and that case, McKinney, relied on
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    out-of-state cases with unique facts, implying it should not supply a basis for our
    conclusion. However, the facts of the cases discussed in McKinney are not so
    different from the one before us now.
    In Colonial Stores, Inc. v. Barrett (Ga.Ct.App. 1946) 
    38 S.E.2d 306
    , 307-308,
    the plaintiff received a restricted statement of availability that prevented him from
    being hired by other employers, and he claimed that statement contained a false
    reason for his termination. There, the employee was required to share the statement
    with prospective employers. (Ibid.) In Grist v. Upjohn Company (Mich.Ct.App.
    1969) 
    168 N.W.2d 389
    , 405-406, the employer disclosed to a prospective employer
    the reason for termination, compelling the employee to repeat the reason so he could
    refute it. Allstate argues that because no one at Allstate made a nonprivileged
    disclosure of its reason for terminating Tilkey's employment to prospective
    employers, his situation is not analogous. We disagree. Allstate provided a written
    explanation for Tilkey's termination of employment on the Form U5 to FINRA, which
    was available to every prospective employer of similarly-licensed employees. As we
    explain post, that disclosure was not absolutely privileged. Thus, Tilkey was
    compelled to explain the reason for his discharge, and this repetition was reasonably
    foreseeable.
    We are also not persuaded by Allstate's remaining arguments. Nothing about
    compelled self-published defamation limits an employer's right or ability to terminate
    employment unfairly or capriciously. (See Guz v. Bechtel National Inc. (2000) 24
    
    25 Cal. 4th 317
    , 350-351.) And because a defamation cause of action does not arise from
    an employer's statement to the employee of the reasons for termination of
    employment unless they include false accusations of criminal conduct, lack of
    integrity, dishonesty, incompetence, or reprehensible personal characteristics or
    behavior (see, e.g., Jensen v. Hewlett-Packard Co. (1993) 
    14 Cal. App. 4th 958
    , 964-
    965 [employee performance evaluation]; see, e.g., King v. United Parcel Service, Inc.
    (2007) 
    152 Cal. App. 4th 426
    , 440 [employer statements about reasons for terminating
    another employee are generally privileged because of common interest in protecting
    workplace from abuse]), there is no additional chilling effect on the free flow of
    information between the employer and the employee.
    Additionally, the qualified privilege that attaches to communications about an
    employee's job performance when made without malice or abuse to a third party
    likewise protects an employer against compelled self-published defamation. (See Cal.
    Civ. Code, § 47, subd. (c); Noel v. River Hills Wilsons, Inc. (2003) 
    113 Cal. App. 4th 1363
    [malice required for application of conditional privilege]; Neal v. Gatlin (1973)
    
    35 Cal. App. 3d 871
    , 877 ["It is well established that a former employer may properly
    respond to an inquiry from a prospective employer concerning an individual's fitness
    for employment, and if it is not done maliciously, such response is privileged"].) This
    conditional privilege helps protect the free flow of reference information. (Noel, at
    pp. 1373-1374.)
    B.
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    Form U5 Privilege
    Civil Code section 47, subdivision (b) makes a communication absolutely
    privileged if made in an official proceeding authorized by law, or in the initiation or
    course of any other authorized proceeding, with some exceptions not applicable here.
    (Cruey v. Gannett Co. (1998) 
    64 Cal. App. 4th 356
    , 368.)
    Firms are required to file a Form U5 with FINRA whenever a registered
    representative leaves the firm. If the registered representative's employment has been
    terminated, the form asks the firm to provide a reason for termination. When the
    Form U5 identifies allegations of improper conduct by a broker-dealer, an issue that
    FINRA may need to investigate, it can on those occasions be considered "a
    communication made 'in anticipation of an action or other official proceeding.'
    (Briggs [v. Eden Council for Hope & Opportunity (1999)] 19 Cal.4th [1106,] 1115.)"
    (Fontani v. Wells Fargo Investments, LLC (2005) 
    129 Cal. App. 4th 719
    , 732,
    disapproved of on other grounds in Kibler v. Northern Inyo County Local Hospital
    District (2006) 
    39 Cal. 4th 192
    .) In those instances, the information reported on the
    Form U5 would be protected by the absolute privilege outlined in Civil Code section
    47, subdivision (b). (See Fontani, at p. 732.)
    Section 7 of the Form U5 includes a list of disclosure questions for full
    terminations that asks if the terminated employee was the subject of a governmental
    investigation; was under internal review for fraud, wrongful taking of property, or
    violated investment related laws, regulations, or industry standards relating to
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    compliance; was convicted of or pled guilty to a felony; or was convicted of or pled
    guilty to a misdemeanor that related to investments, fraud, false statements, bribery,
    perjury, forgery, counterfeiting, extortion, or wrongful taking of property. These
    questions make clear that FINRA seeks termination information that allows it to
    assess whether the employee's conduct lacked compliance with regulatory
    requirements in the securities arena. FINRA does not ask for information about
    nonsecurities-related activities because that information falls outside its scope of
    regulation.
    Thus, the absolute privilege extends to communications required by FINRA,
    i.e., fraud- and securities-related information. However, the communication of
    Tilkey's termination here did not regard improper securities-related conduct, and
    Allstate did not limit its responses to fraud- and securities-related information.
    Instead, Allstate explained Tilkey's departure was the result of a "termination of
    employment by parent property and casualty insurance company after allegations of
    engaging in behavior that are in violation of company policy, specifically, engaging in
    threatening behavior and/or acts of physical harm or violence to any person,
    regardless of whether he/she is employed by Allstate. Not securities related." This
    statement did not contain allegations of improper securities conduct, theft, or
    allegations or charges of fraud or dishonesty. It was not offered in anticipation of or
    to initiate an investigation; nor was it offered in the course of any other official
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    proceeding. (See Civ. Code, § 47, subd. (b).) Thus, the absolute privilege does not
    apply.6
    C.
    Substantial Evidence Supports Jury Findings That Tilkey Was Compelled to Self-
    Publish Statement That Was Not Substantially True
    Finally, Allstate contends Tilkey was not under a strong compulsion to self-
    publish the defamatory statement and there was not substantial evidence to support the
    jury's finding the statement was not substantially true. We disagree.
    We look for substantial evidence regarding whether Tilkey was compelled to
    self-publish and whether its statement that he was engaged in threatening behavior
    and/or acts of physical harm or violence to any person was substantially true.
    
    (Sweatman, supra
    , 25 Cal.4th at p. 68.) In so doing, we do not " 'weigh the evidence,
    consider the credibility of witnesses, or resolve conflicts in the evidence or in the
    reasonable inferences that may be drawn from it.' " 
    (Do, supra
    , 216 Cal.App.4th at
    p. 1492.) We consider disputed facts in a light most favorable to the judgment.
    (Ibid.)
    1. Compulsion
    6      Had Allstate instead eliminated the specifics in its statement, privilege may have
    attached because Allstate was required to report the termination. For example, it could
    have supplied the following statement: "Termination of employment by parent property
    and casualty insurance company after allegations of engaging behavior that are in
    violation of company policy. Not securities related."
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    The jury concluded that Tilkey was under strong pressure to communicate
    Allstate's defamatory statement to another person. There is ample evidence to support
    this conclusion.
    The vocational evaluator testified Tilkey would have a difficult time ever
    getting another job because he had been terminated, and the reason for termination
    reported on the Form U5 was negative. He testified that because job applications ask
    for information about whether the applicant had been terminated from employment,
    Tilkey would have to explain the situation, and that would be "an absolute killer." He
    also noted that because Tilkey sold life insurance, he was required to hold securities
    licenses, and agencies and employers hiring those with securities licenses would have
    access to U5 forms. Tilkey's supervisor at Allstate, William Vasquez, testified that
    Allstate routinely reviewed the securities public information from the Form U5 of any
    person they were hiring, and he could not recall ever hiring anyone at Allstate whose
    Form U5 stated he was terminated for cause. Tilkey likewise testified that when he
    recruited agents, he would have someone check the Form U5, and he never hired
    anyone whose Form U5 showed the termination was for cause. He also never
    received an interview from any company that had access to a Form U5, even though
    he had 30 years of experience and performed well, receiving the third largest bonus in
    the state just a few weeks before his termination. Tilkey's knowledge of how
    companies used the Form U5, coupled with Allstate's related hiring practice,
    compelled him to explain and respond to the allegation. (See Live Oak 
    Publishing, 30 supra
    , 234 Cal.App.3d at p. 1285 [compulsion from need to explain to employers who
    will learn of allegation if they investigate past employment].)
    Tilkey looked for work in other fields as well, but even then he was asked
    about whether he had been terminated from a job. He answered the question honestly,
    stating that Allstate alleged he had engaged in threatening behavior and/or acts of
    physical harm or violence to another person, then countered it by explaining he had
    never threatened anyone. (See 
    Beroiz, supra
    , 84 Cal.App.4th at p. 497 [republication
    necessary to disprove accusation].)
    None of these facts is disputed. Taken together, in a light most favorable to the
    verdict, the implication is evident. Even if the company never offered any specific
    information about the reason for Tilkey's discharge from employment to prospective
    employers, its statement at the time of discharge and its reporting of the information
    on the publicly-available Form U5 necessitated Tilkey's self-publication in other
    settings. Without explaining Allstate's claims, Tilkey would not have been able to
    explain his employment history and sudden departure after 30 years.
    2. Substantial Truth
    The truth of a statement is an absolute defense against civil liability. (Ringler
    Associates Inc. v. Maryland Casualty Co. (2000) 
    80 Cal. App. 4th 1165
    , 1180.) The
    defendant does not need to prove the literal truth of every word in the challenged
    statement; the defense is complete "so long as the imputation is substantially true so
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    as to justify the 'gist or sting' of the remark." (Campanelli v. Regents of University of
    California (1996) 
    44 Cal. App. 4th 572
    , 582 (Campanelli).)
    The jury was asked whether Allstate stated, "[Tilkey] engaged in threatening
    behavior and/or acts of physical harm or violence to another person," and it concluded
    Allstate did. The jury also found the statement was not substantially true. These
    conclusions are supported by substantial evidence.
    The facts of the evening of Tilkey's arrest, which formed the basis of Allstate's
    conclusion that he engaged in threatening behavior and/or acts of physical harm or
    violence, are largely undisputed. Tilkey and Mann were at Mann's one-bedroom
    apartment after an evening out when they began to argue. Tilkey stepped onto the
    enclosed patio, and Mann closed and locked the door behind him. Tilkey banged on
    the door loudly, demanding to be let into the home to gather his belongings from the
    room where Mann's grandson was asleep. When police arrived, Mann told them she
    was afraid Tilkey would wake her grandson, and the interior trim on the framing of
    the patio door was broken. Tilkey was arrested for misdemeanor criminal damage
    deface and disorderly conduct - disruptive behavior, and a domestic violence label
    was attached to the disorderly conduct charges. Tilkey pled guilty to disorderly
    conduct fighting (DV).
    These facts do not include evidence that Mann was ever directly threatened; nor
    do these events indicate that Tilkey was threatening to physically harm Mann or her
    grandson. Tilkey's attorney explained that the charges did not reflect threats of
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    violence or harm. Estrada testified that A.R.S. section 13-2904A.1, the charge to
    which Tilkey pled guilty, defines the crime as engaging in fighting, violent, or
    seriously disruptive behavior. The basis of Tilkey's guilty plea was his admission that
    he engaged in seriously disruptive behavior on the date, time, and location listed in the
    charges against him. Estrada explained that while the court-generated guilty plea
    form references fighting, the departmental report and his understanding were that the
    conduct was disruptive behavior and not fighting, which is why the departmental
    report listed "disruptive behavior" on it. Estrada also testified that there is a separate
    charge for threatening behavior, A.R.S. section 13-1202, for which Tilkey was not
    charged. Tilkey similarly testified that he agreed to enter a diversion program because
    he felt like he was guilty of making noise that night.
    Additionally, Alferos's summary of her investigation into the arrests initially
    concluded Tilkey was not in violation of company policy. It was only after her
    supervisor Burno directed her to revise the summary of investigation that Alferos
    concluded Tilkey's behavior "may [have been] at a level which causes management to
    lose confidence in his ability to work at Allstate." When Burno modified the
    conclusion again later, he relied on the retained charge against Tilkey to conclude
    "Tilkey engaged in behavior that was construed as acts of physical harm and violence
    towards another person." And Alferos's termination request form stated that based on
    Tilkey's voluntary entrance into the diversion program, he had engaged in acts of
    physical harm or violence to another person. But Estrada's testimony made clear that
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    a domestic violence label does not mean the person engaged in physical violence or
    even threatened violence.
    Thus, there is substantial evidence that the events of August 16, 2014, do not
    support Allstate's statement, especially when construed in a light most favorable to the
    jury verdict. Tilkey and his girlfriend had a heated exchange during which there was
    shouting, a door slam, and banging on the door. The charge to which Tilkey initially
    pled guilty was a disorderly conduct charge, not a threat charge. And while there was
    a factual basis for that guilty plea, disorderly conduct does not require any physical
    violence or threat of physical violence, so the existence of that charge is not sufficient
    on its own to conclude Tilkey engaged in physical harm or threatened physical harm.
    The factual basis for the plea was disruptive behavior, not physical harm, or even
    threat of physical harm. Finally, Tilkey explained that he entered the diversion
    program because he felt like he was guilty of making noise that night.
    The "gist or sting" of Allstate's remarks was that Tilkey behaved in a physically
    violent or threatening manner, and that was why his employment was terminated.
    (See 
    Campanelli, supra
    , 44 Cal.App.4th at p. 582.) But the facts do not point to
    Tilkey threatening Mann, physically harming her, or being violent. Thus, there is
    substantial evidence to support the jury's verdict that Allstate's statement to the
    contrary was not substantially true, and we will affirm.
    III.
    PUNITIVE DAMAGES
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    Allstate presents four arguments for why the judgment on punitive damages
    should be reversed: (1) no managing agent acted to terminate Tilkey with knowledge
    of violating section 432.7 or with knowledge of or a reckless disregard for the truth;
    (2) Allstate did not consciously disregard the requirements of section 432.7;
    (3) punitive damages are not available in compelled self-publication defamation
    matters; and (4) the award is excessive in violation of due process rights. Having
    already concluded Allstate did not violate section 432.7, we do not address Allstate's
    contentions relating to that section of the Labor Code. We address the remaining three
    contentions in turn below.
    A.
    Standard of Review
    We review whether a punitive damages award is constitutionally excessive de
    novo, independently assessing the "reprehensibility of the defendant's conduct, the
    relationship between the award and the harm done to the plaintiff, and the relationship
    between the award and civil penalties authorized for comparable conduct." (Simon v.
    San Paolo U.S. Holding Co., Inc. (2005) 
    35 Cal. 4th 1159
    , 1172 (Simon).)
    We likewise review denial of a motion for JNOV de novo. (Linear Technology
    Corp. v. Tokyo Electron Ltd. (2011) 
    200 Cal. App. 4th 1527
    , 1532) " '[W]e determine
    whether substantial evidence supported the verdict, viewing the evidence in the light
    most favorable to the party who obtained the verdict. [Citation.] We resolve all
    conflicts in the evidence and draw all reasonable inferences in favor of the verdict,
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    and do not weigh the evidence or judge the credibility of witnesses.' " (Ibid.;
    Licudine v. Cedars-Sinai Medical Center (2016) 
    3 Cal. App. 5th 881
    , 890.)
    B.
    Managing Agents Acted with Reckless Disregard
    We first turn our attention to whether managing agents knew the reason given
    for termination was not substantially true and whether they acted with reckless
    disregard for the truth.
    For punitive damages, the plaintiff must prove by clear and convincing evidence
    that the defendant acted with "oppression, fraud, or malice" and that those acts were
    performed or ratified by an "officer, director or managing agent." (Civ. Code, § 3294,
    subds. (a), (b); College Hospital Inc. v. Superior Court (1994) 
    8 Cal. 4th 704
    , 726.) A
    company ratifies a managing agent's decision when it knows about and accepts the
    decision. (Ibid.; Cruz v. HomeBase (2000) 
    83 Cal. App. 4th 160
    , 168.)
    The term "managing agent" includes "only those corporate employees who
    exercise substantial independent authority and judgment in their corporate
    decisionmaking so that their decisions ultimately determine corporate policy." (White v.
    Ultramar, Inc. (1999) 
    21 Cal. 4th 563
    , 566-567 (White).) It does not depend on the
    person's level within the corporate hierarchy but instead the amount of discretion
    permitted in making decisions. (Powerhouse Motorsports Group, Inc. v. Yamaha Motor
    Corp., U.S.A. (2013) 
    221 Cal. App. 4th 867
    , 886, quoting Kelley-Zurian v. Wohl Shoe Co.
    36
    (1994) 
    22 Cal. App. 4th 397
    , 421.) The scope of an employee's discretion and authority is
    a question of fact. (Davis v. Kiewit Pacific Co. (2013) 
    220 Cal. App. 4th 358
    , 366.)
    "The reckless disregard test is not a negligence test measured by whether a
    reasonably prudent person would have published, or would have investigated before
    publishing, the defamatory statement." (McGarry v. University of San Diego (2007) 
    154 Cal. App. 4th 97
    , 114.) Instead, a reckless disregard for truth or falsity is demonstrated
    when there is " 'sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendant in fact
    entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication,' " but published the statement
    anyway. (Copp v. Paxton (1996) 
    45 Cal. App. 4th 829
    , 846-847.) This may be
    demonstrated through circumstantial evidence, including a failure to investigate, anger
    and hostility toward the plaintiff, or reliance on unreliable sources. (Id. at p. 847, quoting
    Reader's Digest Assn. v. Superior Court (1984) 
    37 Cal. 3d 244
    , 258.)
    Burno was the director of HR, and employees including Alferos reported directly
    to him. Allstate argues Burno's job title and role as a supervisor do not establish that he
    is a managing agent. Although Burno's hiring and firing authority is not sufficient in
    itself to characterize him as a managing agent 
    (White, supra
    , 21 Cal.4th at p. 566), in his
    role overseeing the centralized staff who investigated complaints, he helped guide the
    application of company policy. The vice president of HR explained that when judgment
    was required, as in cases that were not straightforward like attendance issues, the
    manager would make the decisions about discipline. Moreover, Burno exercised
    independent authority and judgment in his handling of this particular matter, directing
    Alferos to change her conclusion, then altering the conclusion himself later and
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    ultimately deciding whether company policy prohibited the behavior in which Tilkey had
    engaged. Burno's day-to-day work required the exercise of independent authority and
    judgment, making him a managing agent.
    Even if Burno were not a managing agent for Allstate, other managing agents,
    Metzger and Harty, ratified the decision. Although Metzger framed the termination
    decision as Burno's, other evidence suggests there was collective agreement by other
    managing agents, and thus ratification, of the decision. Metzger testified that she was
    involved in high-profile cases and unique situations, counseling Burno and serving as his
    sounding board. She "fully supported" Burno's decision, and she talked it through with
    several "very high-level managers at Allstate," including Harty, who was the head of HR
    for the company. In their communications, Metzger and Harty expressed concern about
    Tilkey's conduct and whether he should continue to serve as a face of Allstate. The
    executive vice president and the president of HR knew about and supported the decision
    to terminate Tilkey before his discharge; they had discussions about it, and they reviewed
    the paperwork in advance.
    Allstate argues that managing agents did not act with malice because Metzger did
    not personally gather any information or see the version of the summary of investigation
    that concluded there was no violation of company policy, and because she testified that
    she considered Tilkey's behavior to be threatening. This argument ignores that Burno,
    who supervised the investigation from the outset, was a managing agent, and Burno's
    actions demonstrate a conscious disregard. He directed Alferos to change her conclusion
    to justify terminating Tilkey's employment for loss of confidence in him. Then he
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    changed the conclusion completely to say Tilkey had "engaged in behavior that was
    construed as acts of physical harm and violence towards another person" without
    information that Tilkey had, in fact, engaged in physical harm or violence. Metzger was
    aware of this change. Moreover, no one from Allstate ever interviewed Mann or looked
    into her background, even though it was her e-mails that prompted the internal
    investigation. Allstate's reliance on the testimony of Metzger to challenge the finding as
    one she made in earnest is self-serving, and testimony which the jury and trial court
    found not credible. (See People v. Maciel (2013) 
    57 Cal. 4th 482
    , 519 [trial judge or jury
    determines credibility of witness and truth or falsity of facts upon which determination
    depends].)
    C.
    Availability of Punitive Damages
    Allstate asks us to follow a Minnesota Supreme Court case, Lewis v. Equitable
    Life Assurance Soc. (Minn.S.Ct. 1986) 
    389 N.W.2d 876
    (Lewis) to conclude punitive
    damages are unavailable in compelled, self-published defamation cases, noting no
    California cases have expressly addressed this issue. Tilkey contends that California law
    permits punitive damages for defamation, and compelled self-publication is not less
    worthy of the same punishment. We agree with Tilkey.
    In Lewis, a group of employees were discharged for "gross insubordination" after
    refusing to alter their expense reports following a business trip for which their work was
    commended. 
    (Lewis, supra
    , 389 N.W.2d at pp. 880-882.) The company failed to provide
    expense guidelines, then offered differing instructions after the employees returned from
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    the business trip, each time asking the employees to adjust their accounting and to repay
    the company the difference. (Id. at pp. 881-882.) The employees who refused to do so
    were terminated for gross insubordination and denied severance pay. (Id. at pp. 881-
    882.)
    The company's policy was to give only the dates of employment and final job titles
    of former employees unless specifically authorized in writing to release additional
    information. 
    (Lewis, supra
    , 389 N.W.2d at p. 882.) Despite this, at least once, each
    employee stated the reason for termination and attempted to explain the situation in
    subsequent job applications. (Ibid.) The Minnesota Supreme Court recognized for the
    first time the validity of a compelled self-publication defamation cause of action. (Id. at
    p. 888.) However, it declined to permit punitive damages because it was concerned that
    their availability could encourage employees to publish the defamatory statements by
    employers, deterring employer communication of the reason for the employee's discharge
    to the employee. (Id. at p. 892.)
    We reach a different conclusion here. First, punitive damages are available in
    cases where the trier of fact finds slander per se. (See Manguso v. Oceanside Unified
    School Dist. (1984) 
    153 Cal. App. 3d 574
    [libel per se]; 
    Contento, supra
    , 28 Cal.App.3d at
    p. 359.) The slander here was self-published, but that does not change access to punitive
    damages. To be successful with compelled self-publication defamation, a plaintiff
    already must prove a necessity and a strong compulsion to disclose the statement, and the
    employer must be able to reasonably anticipate the self-publication. (
    Beroiz, supra
    , 84
    Cal.App.4th at p. 497; 
    Davis, supra
    , 29 Cal.App.4th at p. 373; McKinney, supra, 110
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    Cal.App.3d at p. 796.) The plaintiff also must demonstrate that he actually published the
    statement. (Dible v. Haight Ashbury Free Clinics (2009) 
    170 Cal. App. 4th 843
    , 851; Live
    Oak Publishing 
    Co., supra
    , 234 Cal.App.3d at p. 1285.) As we discussed ante, these
    requirements mean a plaintiff cannot simply manufacture a defamation claim.
    Moreover, the focus for punitive damages is not the plaintiff's repetition of the
    defamatory statement to a prospective employer, but the employer's intent. To recover
    pecuniary damages, the plaintiff must prove by clear and convincing evidence that an
    employer has acted with malice, oppression, or fraud. (Civ. Code, § 3294, subds. (a), (b),
    & (c).) An affirmative finding on malice or oppression demonstrates that the jury has
    concluded the plaintiff proved the defendant "acted with the requisite reprehensible
    motivation . . . thereby defeating the qualified privilege" and also that the "defendant['s]
    conduct was also intentionally injurious to, or in conscious disregard of, plaintiff's rights,
    thereby meeting the heightened requirements of malice (or oppression) necessary to
    support an award of punitive damages." (Lundquist v. Reusser (1994) 
    7 Cal. 4th 1193
    ,
    1214, citing Civ. Code, § 3294, subd. (c)(1) & (2) [discussing prejudicial error after
    concluding plaintiff bears the burden of proving malice].) Collectively, these additional
    elements and heightened burden of proof already provide a safeguard against the plaintiff
    self-publishing defamatory statements just so he or she can sue a former employer. If the
    employee were not already encouraged to repeat the defamatory statements because of
    the availability of a cause of action for compelled self-defamation, we fail to see how the
    additional burdens created by the need to also prove the defendant's motive by clear and
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    convincing evidence, even in light of potentially increased recovery, increases the
    likelihood that a plaintiff would bring a defamation lawsuit.
    We note, too, there are some factual differences between Lewis and the matter
    before us. Chief among them is the company policy in Lewis not to disclose more than a
    former employee's dates of employment and final job title. (See 
    Lewis, supra
    , 389
    N.W.2d at p. 882.) Although the court there ultimately found there was a viable
    compelled self-publication cause of action (Id. at p. 888), this type of fact would tend to
    cut against the requirement that self-publication be foreseeable (
    Beroiz, supra
    , 84
    Cal.App.4th at p. 497; Live Oak 
    Publishing, supra
    , 234 Cal.App.3d at p. 1285). In
    contrast, here the evidence that the self-publication was compelled, necessary, and
    foreseeable was strong: Allstate published the statement on the Form U5, which was
    available to all firms that hired licensed broker-dealers; the jobs to which Tilkey applied
    included such jobs, and employers, including Allstate, routinely reviewed that
    information before hiring an individual. This was not a situation where the availability of
    the statement to prospective employers was questionable; Tilkey's disclosure of the
    allegation was already in the public sphere, necessitating its repetition to challenge its
    veracity. Even with an explanation of his situation, the allegation would be, as the
    vocational expert explained, "an absolute killer."
    D.
    Constitutionality of Punitive Damages
    Allstate contends the punitive damages award violates due process because the
    large ratio between punitive damages and compensatory damages, a ratio greater than six
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    to one, is disproportionate and far exceeds civil penalties for the same violation. We
    agree.
    "Appellate courts conduct de novo review of a trial court's application of the
    guideposts to the jury's punitive damage award." (Nickerson v. Stonebridge Life
    Insurance Co. (2016) 
    5 Cal. App. 5th 1
    , 15 (Nickerson).) Three factors determine whether
    punitive damages are excessive: (1) degree of reprehensibility of the defendant's
    misconduct; (2) disparity between actual or potential harm suffered and the pecuniary
    award; and (3) the difference between the punitive damages award and comparable civil
    penalties.7 
    (Simon, supra
    , 35 Cal.4th pp. 1171-1172; State Farm Mutual Auto Insurance
    Co. v. Campbell (2003) 
    538 U.S. 408
    , 418 (State Farm); Major v. Western Home
    Insurance Co. (2009) 
    169 Cal. App. 4th 1197
    , 1222-1223 (Major).) Because the parties
    agree there are no corresponding civil penalties for the defamation, we consider only the
    first two factors.
    1. Reprehensibility
    The degree of reprehensibility is the most important indication of the
    reasonableness of the defendant's conduct. (Roby v. McKesson Corp. (2009) 
    47 Cal. 4th 7
         The parties do not clearly parse out these factors with attention to each cause of
    action separately. Because we conclude the company's termination was not wrongful,
    damages should be limited to those resulting from the defamation cause of action, and we
    have attempted to so limit our review here. We are cognizant that the jury concluded the
    reason provided for Tilkey's termination, while not unlawful under section 432.7, was
    nonetheless not substantially true and was defamatory. Accordingly, we view the
    emotional distress that arose from defamation as the basis for punitive damages in this
    case.
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    686, 713 (Roby); 
    Nickerson, supra
    , 5 Cal.App.5th at p. 16.) Courts consider five factors
    for assessing the degree of reprehensibility: (1) physical harm; (2) indifference or
    reckless disregard for health or safety of others; (3) whether target was financially
    vulnerable; (4) if the conduct was repeated or isolated; and (5) if the conduct was
    intentional or accidental. 
    (Major, supra
    , 169 Cal.App.4th at p. 1223, citing State 
    Farm, supra
    , 538 U.S. at p. 419; 
    Simon, supra
    , 35 Cal.4th at p. 1180.)
    Harm is physical when it affects emotional and mental health and is not purely
    economic. 
    (Roby, supra
    , 47 Cal.4th at p. 713.) Tilkey testified that he endured weight
    gain, bouts of crying, loss of sleep, physical tension, and tightness in his chest. Thus,
    there was evidence that he suffered physical symptoms from emotional distress. (See
    
    Nickerson, supra
    , 5 Cal.App.5th at p. 17.) It is not clear from the record whether these
    physical manifestations were the result of his termination, the defamatory statement, or a
    combination of the two. However, the jury awarded separate amounts for emotional
    distress damages tied to wrongful discharge and for shame, mortification, or hurt feelings
    tied to defamation, suggesting distress from each action. It is not possible to separate out
    the physical manifestations of the distress resulting from the discharge from the shame,
    mortification, or hurt feelings resulting from the defamation, but it is clear this factor
    weighs in favor of a finding of reprehensibility.
    Allstate argues that the second factor is not supported because Allstate was
    motivated by concerns about the health and safety of others, by enforcing its policy
    prohibiting threats of violence against any person. This interpretation of the facts
    presented relies on the conclusion that Tilkey's actions constituted a threat of violence
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    against another person, a conclusion with which the jury disagreed in light of its finding
    that the statement was not substantially true. Instead, the trial court viewed Allstate's
    motivations as concerned more with its own reputation than ascertaining the truth. This
    conclusion, again, is supported by the evidence outlined in greater detail ante.
    With respect to the third factor, Allstate argues that Tilkey's only financial
    vulnerability was that his employment was terminated, making him no different than any
    other person who lost a job. Tilkey was different than the typical employee because he
    relied on the company-issued cell phone and car for his everyday use. However, this
    evidence, as well as evidence of his 30-year career with Allstate, is only relevant if
    Tilkey's termination were wrongful. Having previously concluded it was not, we focus
    on financial vulnerability with respect to the defamatory statement Allstate made. As the
    trial court mentioned, the circumstances of Tilkey's termination precluded him from
    finding future employment and forced him to live off his "dwindling 401K" without job
    prospects, in part because Allstate blocked him from accepting lucrative jobs. In some
    sense, Tilkey's long-standing professional relationship with Allstate made him dependent
    on the company's recommendation for future employment, making Allstate's description
    of his behavior as threatening or causing physical violence against another particularly
    damaging for future job prospects. Allstate points out Tilkey earned an average of
    $200,000 annually, had savings, and was awarded compensatory damages. Perhaps
    Tilkey's savings meant he was not as financially vulnerable as someone without. This
    factor is close but probably weighs slightly against supporting a finding of
    reprehensibility.
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    Finally, although Allstate contends its conduct was a one-time event, a statement
    offered only at the time of Tilkey's termination meeting, this ignores its defamatory
    statement on the Form U5, which could be repeatedly accessed by third parties, and it
    ignores Tilkey's need and strong compulsion to repeat the statement. These additional
    acts, for which Allstate is responsible, weigh in favor of finding its action reprehensible.
    Although the fifth factor is of little consequence because acts must be intentional
    to qualify for punitive damages, 
    (Major, supra
    , 169 Cal.App.4th at p. 1223, quoting
    
    Simon, supra
    , 35 Cal.4th at p. 1181), we address it here briefly to note the jury's
    determination that the statement was not substantially true indicates some intentionality
    on the part of the company. 
    (Roby, supra
    , 47 Cal.4th at p. 716 [jury award of punitive
    damages requires finding malice, fraud, or oppression].) Metzger testified that she
    sincerely believed Tilkey's admission that he banged on the door to gain access for his
    personal belongings, the frame of the door was broken, and Tilkey was arrested was
    sufficient evidence that he engaged in threatening behavior and/or acts of physical harm
    or violence to another. The company made this determination without communicating
    directly with Mann, without seeming to consider that the charge was for disorderly
    conduct and not threatening behavior, and while recognizing that the decision to
    discharge Tilkey's employment really could go either way. After observing the evidence
    offered at trial, the court concluded Allstate had not made a reasonable effort to
    determine whether its statement was true, and it explained: "Allstate's contention that
    Plaintiff's banging on the door was reasonably interpreted as 'threatening behavior' was
    not believable."
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    Our independent review of these factors supports the conclusion that Allstate's
    defamatory behavior was reprehensible.
    2. Relationship Between Punitive and Compensatory Damages
    Punitive damages must bear a "reasonable relationship" to compensatory damages.
    (BMW of North America, Inc. v. Gore (1996) 
    517 U.S. 559
    , 580-581; Little v. Stuyvesant
    Life Insurance Co. (1977) 
    67 Cal. App. 3d 451
    , 469.) While " 'relatively high ratios could
    be justified when " 'a particularly egregious act has resulted in only a small amount of
    economic damages,' " ' " when a jury awards substantial compensatory damages, a lesser
    ratio can reach the limits of the due process guarantee. 
    (Major, supra
    , 169 Cal.App.4th at
    p. 1224, quoting 
    Simon, supra
    , 35 Cal.4th at p. 1182.) Although there is no bright line
    regarding the proper ratio of punitive to compensatory damages, the United States
    Supreme Court has suggested the ratio should generally be no higher than four to one and
    almost never nine to one. (Gober v. Ralphs Grocery Co. (2006) 
    137 Cal. App. 4th 204
    ,
    213 (Gober), citing State 
    Farm, supra
    , 538 U.S. at p. 425.)
    The jury awarded Tilkey $960,222 for wrongful discharge and $1,702,915 in
    actual damages for defamation. The punitive damages award was $15,978,822, a ratio of
    six times the compensatory damages amount. Even without excluding the damages
    awarded for wrongful discharge, this ratio strikes us as excessive given the level of
    reprehensibility here. Without the compensatory damages awarded for wrongful
    discharge, the ratio is greater than nine to one, a ratio we conclude is constitutionally
    excessive. (See 
    Gober, supra
    , 137 Cal.App.4th at pp. 213, 214.) Additionally, because
    the jury's punitive damages award is not allocated to the various liabilities it found, it is
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    not possible to know how much punishment the jury felt was necessary for the company's
    defamatory action, which must serve as the basis for the damages in this case.
    Accordingly, we will remand the matter for reconsideration of the appropriate amount of
    punitive damages based on defamation.
    IV.
    AFTER-ACQUIRED EVIDENCE
    An employer may exercise an after-acquired evidence defense in response to a
    wrongful termination cause of action. (McKennon v. Nashville Banner Publ. Co. (1995)
    
    513 U.S. 352
    , 362-363.) To establish this defense, the employer must demonstrate the
    employee engaged in wrongdoing that would have resulted in a termination of
    employment. (Ibid.) This cuts off damages from the date on which the evidence was
    discovered. (Salas v. Sierra Chemical Co. (2014) 
    59 Cal. 4th 407
    , 430.)
    Because the company did not violate section 432.7, the after-acquired evidence
    defense is not relevant. Accordingly, we decline to address this issue.
    DISPOSITION
    The order denying Allstate's motion for JNOV regarding wrongful termination for
    violation of section 432.7 is reversed, and the matter is remanded to the trial court with
    directions to enter a judgment for Allstate on these causes of action. We affirm the
    portions of the judgment finding Allstate liable for defamation and punitive damages.
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    We remand the matter for the limited review of the proper amount of punitive
    damages against Allstate based on the defamation cause of action.
    The parties shall bear their own costs on appeal.
    HUFFMAN, J.
    WE CONCUR:
    McCONNELL, P. J.
    GUERRERO, J.
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