Cabot v. Lakin CA2/4 ( 2023 )


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  • Filed 6/9/23 Cabot v. Lakin CA2/4
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    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF
    CALIFORNIA
    SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION FOUR
    G.A. CABOT,                                                                    B316063
    Plaintiff and Respondent,                                           (Los Angeles County
    Super. Ct. No. 21BBCV00228)
    v.
    CHRISTINE LAKIN, et al.,
    Defendants and Appellants.
    APPEAL from a judgment of the Superior Court of
    Los Angeles County, John J. Kralik, Judge. Affirmed.
    Law Offices of Paul S. Levine, Paul S. Levine, for
    Plaintiff and Respondent.
    Randazza Legal Group, Marc J. Randazza and Alex J.
    Shepard; Altview Law Group and John M. Begakis, for
    Defendants and Appellants.
    INTRODUCTION
    Plaintiff and respondent G.A. Cabot, a producer and
    packager of entertainment projects, sued his former
    production partner, Angela Watson, and podcast hosts
    Christine Lakin and Alaa Khaled, for defamation.
    Defendants collectively moved to strike the complaint under
    Code of Civil Procedure section 425.16, the anti-SLAPP
    statute,1 arguing the statements were made in connection
    with an issue of public interest within the meaning of
    subdivisions (e)(3) and (e)(4). The trial court disagreed and
    denied the anti-SLAPP motion.
    In this appeal, filed solely by defendants-appellants
    Lakin and Khaled, we reject appellants’ contentions and
    affirm the trial court’s order.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL SUMMARY
    A.    Factual Background
    1.     Production Partnership Between Cabot and
    Watson
    Angela Watson was a cast member on the network
    television series Step by Step, playing the character “Karen
    Foster” for seven seasons, from 1991 to 1998.
    1      SLAPP is the acronym for a strategic lawsuit against public
    participation. All further undesignated statutory references are to the
    Code of Civil Procedure.
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    In late 1996 or early 1997, Watson met G.A. Cabot, a
    producer and packager of entertainment projects, through
    her manager. Watson and Cabot subsequently formed a
    partnership under the name “WatsUp Productions” that
    pursued public relations and production development deals
    for more than 20 years. Watson stopped working with Cabot
    at some point in 2018.
    2.    Podcast Interview with Watson
    On August 27, 2020, Watson appeared as a guest on a
    podcast hosted by appellants Christine Lakin and Alaa
    Khaled entitled the “Worst Ever Podcast.” Lakin was a
    former cast member on the show Step by Step, and many of
    the listeners are former fans of the show. According to
    Lakin, the podcast does not hold itself out as a serious source
    of news reporting and is instead “a fun, entertainment
    oriented podcast.” Watson was invited to appear on the
    podcast to discuss a Christmas single she had recently
    recorded entitled “We Love Santa Claus.” The interview was
    ultimately broken out into two podcast episodes that
    appellants published online on November 27 and December
    4, 2020.
    During the episodes, Lakin mentioned that appellants
    discussed Watson on the podcast previously and that Lakin
    had reconnected with Watson in the last two years. After
    discussing mask-wearing practices in response to COVID-19,
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    Lakin and Watson discussed their time on Step by Step and
    their friendship during the run of the show.
    Watson then mentioned that there were some untruths
    about her online, and stated: “Yes, I did sue my parents.
    That’s a truth, but I really was kind of brainwashed by a
    certain person and turned against my whole family and my
    whole cast and friends ….” Khaled added, “I think setting
    the record straight and stomping on whatever people are
    saying and coming from your mouth is the way to go. So you
    got involved with this person, which we don’t even need to
    mention who they are.”
    Lakin subsequently observed: “I think what people
    don’t understand is that in Hollywood, in other places, but I
    think especially in the entertainment industry, where there
    are people who are vulnerable and young and looking for
    guidance, mentorship, success, a path, a career, it is very
    easy to be manipulated … And there are people out here that
    know how to do it. And this was, you were not like the first
    person that he did this to.”
    Watson responded that the person introduced her to a
    number of talented people, filmed a video for a potential
    pilot, and she saw “things happening,” which led her to
    continue down the path, but things got “more intense” over
    the past “five years . . . with him” whereas “[b]efore it was
    kind of looser.” It was that “intense, like daily focus that
    really kind of pushed [her] over the edge” and made her
    “choos[e] to be happy.”
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    Watson stated that after she left him, she thought she
    could have “negotiations” with him, but “unfortunately,
    narcissistic abusers, that like that you can’t negotiate with
    them.” After Khaled commended Watson for removing
    herself from the situation, the conversation then moved
    away from respondent, with Watson and Lakin discussing
    Watson’s current professional career, including her “We Love
    Santa Claus” song, and what it was like to film Step by Step.
    After Watson appeared on the podcast, she inserted a
    biography on her IMDb profile page discussing her
    relationship with Cabot.2
    B.    The Complaint
    Cabot’s first amended complaint, the operative
    pleading, was filed on May 12, 2021, and alleged three
    causes of action for defamation.
    The complaint alleged as follows: Cabot met Watson in
    1996 or 1997, when he was producing the packaging and
    marketing elements for a pet care family video and Watson
    became the spokesperson for the video. Watson and Cabot
    thereafter formed a production partnership called “WatsUp
    2      “IMDb” refers to the Internet Movie Database, a well-known
    entertainment industry website identifying the talent, crew, and
    entertainment companies working on motion picture projects. The
    website also provides information concerning television, actors, and
    other industry professionals. (John Doe 2 v. Superior Court (2016) 
    1 Cal.App.5th 1300
    , 1306, fn. 3; Kronemyer v. Internet Movie Database
    Inc. (2007) 
    150 Cal.App.4th 941
    , 944.)
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    Productions” Cabot alleged that he and Watson had a nearly
    22-year successful public relations and production
    development relationship.
    During that time, Cabot allegedly published
    announcements in entertainment industry news publications
    and promotional mailings. He secured “a musical stage play
    that attracted international singer-actor, Robert Goulet” and
    caused Watson to be “featured in the prestigious
    entertainment industry Emmy Magazine.” Cabot
    “facilitated years of WatsUp assisting many nonprofit
    charity events for communities and families around the
    country” and coordinated television telethons and a Grammy
    Award recording artists’ concert hosted by Watson and
    scripted by him. According to Cabot, all of this had “media
    and entertainment industry benefits for Watson.”
    Cabot alleged he was not responsible for Watson’s
    lawsuit against her parents, in which she prevailed, or her
    own renewals of several judgments entered by various courts
    against her parents.
    Cabot alleged that despite this successful business
    relationship, Watson made a series of defamatory
    statements, which he set forth in three causes of action.
    The first cause of action, for libel per se, was based on a
    profile Watson created under the name “Angela Watson” and
    published on IMDb. The profile contained the following
    statements:
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    “‘Even though a successful TV actress, Angela
    was far from an experienced Hollywood wild
    child, and unfortunately her innocence and
    naivete were taken advantage of by a so called
    ‘production partner’ who promised to help her
    transition into an adult actor with longevity in
    the business. By the time her family and friends
    realized he was actually a con man who was
    brainwashing Angela, it was too late. Over the
    next 20 years, not only was Angela isolated from
    everyone she loved, but he also convinced her
    that she had to sue her parents for supposedly
    ‘stealing her money,’ when in fact, he was the one
    fleecing her acting earnings. Her relationship
    with the narcissistic abuser turned into a daily
    nightmare she couldn’t escape from. Thankfully,
    Angela was able to secretly listen to some
    YouTube videos that she now knows was actually
    reprogramming her brain to choose to be happy
    despite her circumstances. After two years of
    doing so, she realized she had the courage and
    strength to break free.’”
    The second cause of action, for slander per se, was
    based on allegations that Watson spoke to, sent text and/or
    email messages to, and left voice messages for various men
    and women who knew Cabot claiming that he “conned” and
    “brainwashed” her, abused their working relationship, and
    “fleeced” her of her acting earnings.
    The third cause of action, for slander, alleged that on
    November 27 and December 4, 2020, on Episodes 107 and
    108 of the “Worst Ever Podcast,” Watson, Lakin, and Khaled
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    made various statements about a “‘certain person,’” a
    “‘narcissistic abuser,’” who “brainwashed” Watson and
    “‘turned [her] against [her] whole family and [her] whole cast
    and friends’” and who “‘isolated’” her and told her “‘lies.’”
    Cabot attached a transcript of the podcast episodes to the
    Complaint.
    Cabot alleged that these false statements were
    understood to be concerning him and that his reputation had
    been damaged.
    C.   The Anti-SLAPP Motion
    On June 4, 2021, defendants collectively filed a special
    motion to strike the complaint pursuant to section 425.16,
    arguing that their speech was constitutionally protected
    under the anti-SLAPP statute and that Cabot could not
    demonstrate a probability of success on any of his causes of
    action.
    Specifically, defendants contended that the allegations
    in the complaint arose from speech or conduct protected
    under subdivision (e)(3) and (e)(4) of section 425.16 because
    the alleged statements were made “in connection with” an
    “issue of public interest” in that Watson “was and remains a
    celebrity in the public eye by virtue of her long-running
    appearance” on Step by Step. As such, “statements
    regarding Cabot’s involvement, however private, in Watson’s
    professional life are matters of public concern.”
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    Defendants also argued that “[n]otwithstanding the
    public’s interest in Watson generally, the fair resolution of
    sexual harassment and/or assault claims is also undeniably
    a matter of public concern.” Defendants claimed that “each
    and every Cause of Action in the [Complaint] arises, at least
    in part, from Watson’s truthful retelling of her life
    experiences with [Plaintiff], who utilized his position of
    power over Watson as a ‘producer and packager’ to take
    advantage of her and sexually assault her.”
    Finally, defendants argued that “any statements from
    the Podcast are matters of public concern because they were
    statements made as part of an entertainment program.”
    In support of their motion, defendants submitted
    individual declarations.
    Lakin and Khaled asserted that they did not know
    Cabot and did not conduct any “pre-interview” with Watson
    that might have revealed any information she provided
    about Cabot. To the extent they made any comments about
    Cabot, it was simply to ask Watson follow-up questions or
    repeat what she had previously stated.
    Watson also submitted a declaration. She asserted
    that after she and Cabot formed their production
    partnership in 1997, he convinced her to distance herself
    from her friends and relationships. Cabot subsequently
    convinced her to sue her parents and she “let Cabot make
    the decisions regarding the lawsuit behind the scenes.”
    According to Watson, in 2001, Cabot began taking
    advantage of Watson sexually by convincing her that she
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    needed to have sex with him and other men as a means of
    advancing her entertainment career. Watson did not want
    to engage in such acts, but believed she had to because Cabot
    “had convinced [her] that [she] needed him and such
    ‘training’ to advance [her] career.” In 2005, Cabot began to
    physically abuse her, and in 2011, Cabot moved into her
    home, at which time the physical abuse increased. In
    August of 2018, Watson left Cabot by moving out of the
    house, but left behind a detailed binder containing all the
    pertinent information regarding their production business.
    Watson stated that in August of 2020, Watson
    appeared on appellants’ podcast to discuss a new song she
    had recently recorded and released. “[T]he conversation
    naturally developed into a discussion of [their] history
    together on the Series, why [their] friendship had fallen
    away, and what [she] was doing now,” which eventually led
    her to discuss her relationship with Cabot.
    D.   Opposition to Anti-SLAPP Motion
    In opposing the anti-SLAPP motion, Cabot pointed out
    that “there [were] no sexual assault allegations made by
    Watson in any of her libelous or slanderous statements, and
    no such allegations were made by Watson, Lakin, or Khaled
    during the podcasts.” Cabot argued that any private dispute
    between Watson and him “is not ‘a topic of public interest’
    and defendants have provided no evidence whatsoever that
    it is.”
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    Cabot submitted a declaration denying Watson’s
    allegations of abuse and/or psychological manipulation and
    stated by the time he met Watson, she was in her twenties,
    had been professionally performing for over a dozen years,
    including the seven years on Step by Step, and had “talent
    agents, a personal manager and others in her career.” Cabot
    denied having any involvement in Watson’s lawsuit against
    her parents and noted Watson was successful in suing her
    parents and establishing they defrauded her out of millions
    in earnings from her career.
    Cabot submitted articles, letters, promotional
    materials, and other documents representing projects with
    Watson throughout their 20-year business relationship,
    including articles documenting Watson’s work with the
    California State Senate to strengthen protections for child
    actors and her creation of CAST (Child Actors Supporting
    Themselves).
    E.   Reply to Opposition
    In a reply to Cabot’s opposition, defendants reasserted
    their previous contentions and added that “Watson’s
    statements for which she is being sued do include
    accusations of sexual assault to the extent that she
    references her relationship with a ‘narcissistic abuser.’”
    Defendants further added that because the podcast was
    available to the general public, “[d]efendants’ actions and
    statements in connection with the Podcast constitute free
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    speech protected by the First Amendment on such basis
    alone.”
    Defendants also filed numerous evidentiary objections
    to Cabot’s declaration and the supporting evidence he
    submitted.
    F.   Trial Court’s Ruling on Anti-SLAPP Motion
    In a written decision, the trial court denied defendant’s
    motion to strike the complaint, finding that defendants
    failed to satisfy the first prong of the Anti-SLAPP statute by
    failing to demonstrate that the statements identified in the
    complaint were made in connection with an issue of public
    interest.
    The court rejected defendants’ assertion the statements
    alleged in the complaint were matters of public concern
    because Watson is a “celebrity.” Citing Bernstein v. LaBeouf
    (2019) 
    43 Cal.App.5th 15
    , 23-24 (Bernstein), the court
    pointed out that a “defendant’s celebrity status, on its own,
    is not sufficient to render anything the defendant says or
    does subject to anti-SLAPP protections.” The court further
    noted that there were no allegations that Cabot was a well-
    known public figure, or someone in the public eye, or that he
    has been involved in issues of public interest. The court
    found that the statements made about Cabot — i.e., that he
    was “a conman, that he brainwashed [Watson], stole money
    from [Watson], etc.” concerned “private issues of [Watson’s]
    personal life.”
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    To the extent defendants asserted the statements
    concerned matters involving sexual harassment or assault,
    the court observed that there were no statements involving
    sexual harassment or assault in Cabot’s complaint for
    defamation, the podcast transcript, or Watson’s IMDb
    profile. The court rejected defendants’ assertion that
    Watson’s characterization of Cabot as a “‘narcissistic
    abuser’” equated to “sexual harassment/assault” as the court
    could not find “this ambiguous phrase leads to such a
    conclusion.”
    Finally, as to defendants’ claim that the conduct or
    statements of the complaint were matters of public concern
    because they “were statements made as part of an
    entertainment program” the court found this argument to be
    based on mere “generalities” of the “‘entertainment
    industry’” and thus too broad or amorphous to merit anti-
    SLAPP protection.
    The court thus found that defendants failed to
    establish their burden on the first prong of the anti-SLAPP
    statute and the burden therefore did not shift to Cabot to
    show a probability of prevailing on the merits of his
    complaint.3 The court denied the motion to strike.
    Appellants Lakin and Khaled timely appealed from the
    trial court’s order. (§§ 425.16, subd. (i), 904.1, subd. (a)(13).
    Watson is not a party to this appeal.
    3      The trial court found it unnecessary to rule on any evidentiary
    objections raised by the parties.
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    DISCUSSION
    A.    Anti-SLAPP Statute and Relevant Legal
    Principles
    1.     Standard of Review
    “We review de novo the grant or denial of an anti-
    SLAPP motion” and “exercise independent judgment in
    determining whether, based on our own review of the record,
    the challenged claims arise from protected activity.” (Park v.
    Board of Trustees of California State Univ. (2017) 
    2 Cal.5th 1057
    , 1067 (Park).) In addition to the pleadings, we may
    consider affidavits concerning the facts upon which liability
    is based (Symmonds v. Mahoney (2019) 
    31 Cal.App.5th 1096
    ,
    1104 (Symmonds)), and we accept as true the evidence
    favorable to plaintiffs. (Flatley v. Mauro (2006) 
    39 Cal.4th 299
    , 325.)4
    2.     Section 425.16 The Anti-SLAPP statute
    “Code of Civil Procedure section 425.16 provides a
    procedure for the early dismissal of what are commonly
    known as SLAPP suits (strategic lawsuits against public
    4      Although an anti-SLAPP motion need not be directed at a cause
    of action in its entirety, but “may be used to attack parts of a count as
    pleaded” (Baral v. Schnitt (2016) 
    1 Cal.5th 376
    , 393 (Baral)),
    defendants collectively argued that all statements were equally
    protected under section 425.16, subds. (e)(3) & (4).
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    participation)—litigation of a harassing nature, brought to
    challenge the exercise of protected free speech rights. The
    section is thus informally labeled the anti-SLAPP statute.”
    (Fahlen v. Sutter Central Valley Hospitals (2014) 
    58 Cal.4th 655
    , 665, fn. 3.)
    Under section 425.16, a special motion to strike
    involves a two-step process. First, the defendant must make
    a prima facie showing that the plaintiff’s “cause of action …
    aris[es] from” an act by the defendant “in furtherance of the
    [defendant’s] right of petition or free speech … in connection
    with a public issue.” (§ 425.16, subd. (b)(1); Cabral v.
    Martins (2009) 
    177 Cal.App.4th 471
    , 478 [moving party must
    show the act underlying the challenged cause of action fits
    one of the categories described in section 425.16, subdivision
    (e)].) If the defendant satisfies this threshold burden,
    plaintiff must then demonstrate a reasonable probability of
    prevailing on the merits. (Ibid.) If the defendant fails to
    meet his or her burden on the first step, the court should
    deny the motion and need not address the second step.
    (Symmonds, supra, 31 Cal.App.5th at pp. 1103-1104.)
    3.    The Statutory Subdivisions on Appeal: (e)(3)
    & (e)(4)
    The anti-SLAPP statute protects activity described in
    section 425.16, subdivision (e). Subdivision (e) provides: an
    “‘act in furtherance of a person’s right of petition or free
    speech under the United States or California Constitution in
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    connection with a public issue’ includes: (1) any written or
    oral statement or writing made before a legislative,
    executive, or judicial proceeding, or any other official
    proceeding authorized by law, (2) any written or oral
    statement or writing made in connection with an issue under
    consideration or review by a legislative, executive, or judicial
    body, or any other official proceeding authorized by law, (3)
    any written or oral statement or writing made in a place
    open to the public or a public forum in connection with an
    issue of public interest, or (4) any other conduct in
    furtherance of the exercise of the constitutional right of
    petition or the constitutional right of free speech in
    connection with a public issue or an issue of public interest.”
    (§ 425.16, subd. (e); see Briggs v. Eden Council for Hope &
    Opportunity (1999) 
    19 Cal.4th 1106
    , 1117-1118 [discussing
    types of statements covered by anti-SLAPP statute].)
    Both subdivision (e)(3) and (e)(4) require a showing
    that a statement be “‘in connection with’ an issue of public
    interest.” (Bernstein, supra, 43 Cal.App.5th at p. 23, fn. 5.)
    In addition, subdivision (e)(3), requires that the statements
    be made in a public forum, while subdivision (e)(4) also
    protects private communications. (Wilbanks v. Wolk (2004)
    
    121 Cal.App.4th 883
    , 897-898 (Wilbanks).)
    In the trial court, defendants collectively argued the
    statements underlying all three causes of action met the
    requirements of both subdivision (e)(3) and (e)(4). On
    appeal, appellants focus on section (e)(3), given that the only
    cause of action pled against appellants (as opposed to
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    Watson) turned on statements made on a public podcast.
    Cabot, however, argues that appellants forfeited their right
    to make any subdivision (e)(3) arguments because they did
    not separately argue the merits of subdivision (e)(3) in the
    trial court. We find no forfeiture.
    First, appellants expressly cited both subdivisions in
    their anti-SLAPP motion, and the trial court so recognized.
    Second, appellants cited to Seelig v. Infinity Broadcasting
    Corp. (2002) 
    97 Cal.App.4th 798
     (Seelig), in arguing that
    “statements made in a radio broadcast constitute[] free
    speech under the first prong of the anti-SLAPP statute.”
    Third, Cabot does not dispute appellants’ assertion that any
    statement made during their Podcast, which was made
    available online and accessible to the general public, falls
    within the “public forum” requirement of (e)(3). (See Seelig,
    supra, 97 Cal.App.4th at pp. 801, 807 [comments made
    during on-air radio discussion between talk radio co-hosts
    and their on-air producer fell within the “open forum” clause
    of subdivision (e)(3)]; Wilbanks, supra, 121 Cal.App.4th at p.
    897 [explaining that the “Web, as a whole, can be analogized
    to a public bulletin board” and thus statements made on
    Web qualify as having been made in a public forum]; Cole v.
    Patricia A. Meyer & Associates (2012) 
    206 Cal.App.4th 1095
    ,
    1121 [“An Internet Web site that is accessible to the general
    public is a public forum”].)
    As such, the only issue we must determine in this
    appeal is whether the statements uttered during appellants’
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    podcast were made in connection with an issue of public
    interest.5
    B.    Relevant Cases
    1.     FilmOn and the “Wilbanks Rule”
    The anti-SLAPP statute does not define “public
    interest.” In FilmOn.com Inc. v. DoubleVerify Inc. (2019)
    
    7 Cal.5th 133
    , 140, (FilmOn), our high court explained that
    “[i]n articulating what constitutes a matter of public
    interest, courts look to . . . specific considerations” including
    whether the subject of the speech or activity (1) “‘was a
    person or entity in the public eye’” or “‘could affect large
    numbers of people beyond the direct participants’” [citation];
    (2) “‘occur[red] in the context of an ongoing controversy,
    dispute, or discussion’” [citation]; (3) or “‘affect[ed] a
    community in a manner similar to that of a governmental
    entity.’” [Citation.] (Id. at pp. 145-146.)
    Our high court noted that courts have nevertheless
    continued to struggle “to articulate the requisite nexus
    between the challenged statements and the asserted issue of
    public interest—to give meaning, in other words, to the ‘in
    connection with’ requirement.” (FilmOn, supra, 7 Cal.5th at
    p. 149). The Court sought to clarify the issue by adopting
    5     In any event, as indicated in our discussion, post, the result is
    the same under either (e)(3) or (e)(4).
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    “the Wilbanks rule” announced in Wilbanks, supra, 
    121 Cal.App.4th 883
    , wherein the court explained that “‘it is not
    enough that the statement refer to a subject of widespread
    public interest; the statement must in some manner itself
    contribute to the public debate.’” (FilmOn, 
    supra,
     7 Cal.5th
    at p. 150, quoting Wilbanks, supra, 121 Cal.App.4th at
    p. 898, italics added.)6 Our high court further quoted Dyer v.
    Childress (2007) 
    147 Cal.App.4th 1273
    , 1280 for the
    proposition that “[t]he fact that ‘a broad and amorphous
    public interest’ can be connected to a specific dispute is not
    enough.”7 (FilmOn, 
    supra,
     7 Cal.5th at p. 150.)
    6      Prior to setting out this requirement, the Wilbanks court noted
    that both (e)(3) and (3)(4) “are limited by the requirement that the
    statement or conduct be connected with an issue of public interest.”
    (Wilbanks, supra, 121 Cal.App.4th at p. 897-898.)
    7      After adopting the Wilbanks rule, our high court noted that the
    nexus-related inquiry “is one a court can hardly undertake without
    incorporating considerations of context—including audience, speaker,
    and purpose” (FilmOn, 
    supra,
     7 Cal.5th at pp. 151-152) and
    articulated a two-part test for the (e)(4) inquiry: First, the court asks
    what public issue or issue of public interest the speech in question
    implicates—a question answered by looking to the content of the
    speech. (Ibid.) Second, the court asks “what functional relationship
    exists between the speech and the public conversation about some
    matter of public interest”—a question answered by considering the
    context of the speech. (Id. at p. 150.)
    In this appeal, appellants acknowledge that under FilmOn,
    statements are not protected if they are “‘too tenuously tethered to the
    issues of public interest they implicate, and too remotely connected to
    the public conversation about these issues.’” but state that “the two-
    part analysis in FilmOn . . . has no application in determining whether
    alleged conduct is protected under subdivision (e)(3)” because
    (Fn. is continued on the next page.)
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    In conducting our analysis, we also find instructive the
    following cases: Albanese v. Menounos (2013) 
    218 Cal.App.4th 923
     (Albanese); Bernstein, supra, 
    43 Cal.App.5th 15
    ; and Woodhill Ventures, supra, 
    68 Cal.App.5th 624
    .
    2.     Albanese, Bernstein, and Woodhill Ventures
    i.    Albanese v. Menounos
    In Albanese, a stylist who worked on the set of Access
    Hollywood, sued television personality Maria Menounos for
    subdivision (e)(3) contains an express context requirement — i.e., that
    the statements were made in a “public forum.” We need not delve into
    this issue.
    Appellants have failed to show how a formal application of the
    two-part FilmOn test would lead to a different result under subdivision
    (e)(3), and we discern no difference in this case. (See Woodhill
    Ventures LLC v. Yang (2021) 
    68 Cal.App.5th 624
    , 632 (Woodhill
    Ventures) [rejecting contention that statements were protected under
    (e)(3) by citing FilmOn’s overall conclusion that defendant’s statements
    were “‘too tenuously tethered to the issues of public interest they
    implicate’”]; cf. FilmOn, 
    supra,
     7 Cal.5th at p. 151 [after adopting
    Wilbanks rule and setting out two-part test, Court noted that its
    holding adds no additional requirement to (e)(4) and is simply a
    “reasonable interpretation of the provision’s existing requirement that
    statements be made ‘in connection with’ an issue of public interest—an
    interpretation informed by the statutory purpose explicitly articulated
    in the preamble to the anti-SLAPP Statute”]; Bernstein, supra,
    43 Cal.App.5th at p. 23, fn. 5 [applying two-part FilmOn test in
    analyzing both (e)(3) and (e)(4) and concluding there was no reason to
    find that FilmOn’s analysis did not apply to both prongs of anti-SLAPP
    statute given that both subdivisions contain the same “in connection
    with” requirement].)
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    defamation after Menounos accused Albanese of stealing
    from her while she was employed by Menounos. (Albanese,
    supra, 218 Cal.App.4th at p. 926.) The appellate court
    affirmed the denial of Menounos’ anti-SLAPP motion,
    determining that even assuming that Albanese herself was
    “rather well known in some circles for her work as a
    celebrity stylist and fashion expert, there is no evidence that
    the public is interested in this private dispute concerning
    her alleged theft of unknown items from Menounos.” (Id. at
    p. 936.)
    ii.   Bernstein v. LaBeouf
    Bernstein concerned video footage of defendant Shia
    LaBeouf, an actor, confronting Bernstein, a bartender who
    had refused to serve LaBeouf alcohol, and calling him a
    racist, which was posted on the internet and broadcast on
    television. (Bernstein, supra, 43 Cal.App.5th at p. 18.)
    Bernstein sued LaBeouf for assault, slander, and intentional
    infliction of emotional distress, and LaBeouf countered with
    an anti-SLAPP motion. (Ibid.) The appellate court affirmed
    the denial of LaBeouf’s anti-SLAPP motion, stating that
    while “racism is undoubtedly an issue of public interest, a
    defendant cannot convert speech that would otherwise not be
    [subject to the anti-SLAPP statute] into protected activity by
    ‘defining the [ ]narrow dispute by its slight reference to the
    broader public issue.’” (Id at p. 24.) The court further found
    that the matter was a private dispute even though LaBeouf
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    was a famous actor, and the public has an interest in the life
    and work of entertainers for anti-SLAPP purposes. (Id. at
    p. 23 [“celebrity status, on its own, is not sufficient to render
    anything the [plaintiff] says or does subject to anti-SLAPP
    protection”].)
    iii.   Woodhill Ventures v. Yang
    In Woodhill Ventures, the wife of a “[s]elf-proclaimed
    celebrity jeweler” with 1.5 million social media followers,
    Ben Yang, ordered a cake from Big Sugar Bakeshop (Big
    Sugar) for the couple’s seven-year-old son. (Woodhill
    Ventures, supra, 68 Cal.App.5th at pp. 626, 627.) Big Sugar
    created a cake, pursuant to Yang’s wife’s instructions, which
    appeared to be topped with a knocked-over beaker from
    which pill-like objects spilled. (Id. at p. 638.) When the
    Yangs received the cake, they believed the fondant pills
    looked too realistic and demanded an apology and a refund.
    (Id. at pp. 626-627, 628.)
    Dissatisfied with the bakery’s response to his
    complaints, Yang aired his grievance on his podcast and to
    his 1.5 million followers on social media. (Id. at p. 627.) Big
    Sugar accused Yang of making several false statements
    about the bakery, including the following on Instagram, a
    social media platform: “‘Anyone in their even high mind
    would know that you should NEVER EVER PUT DRUGS
    ON A 7 year old kids [sic] bday cake!’” (Id. at p. 628.) Yang
    filed an anti-SLAPP motion contending that his statements
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    were protected speech under the statute. The trial court
    disagreed and denied the motion. (Id. at p. 630.)
    On appeal, in considering whether Yang’s speech
    concerned an issue of public interest, the court rejected
    Yang’s contention that his statements were of public interest
    because he was a celebrity with 1.5 million social media
    followers and Big Sugar had been published in national
    publications. The court pointed out that Big Sugar is a small
    business, with two shops in Los Angeles (id. at p. 634), while
    Yang’s own celebrity status did not automatically mean that
    everything he said was of public interest. (Id. at p. 633.)
    The court also rejected Yang’s contention that “his
    statements involve an issue of public interest because they
    were about the dangers of ‘candy confusion,’ or children
    mistakenly eating pills they believe are candy.” (Id. at
    p. 632.) The court concluded that although candy confusion
    was a topic of public interest, Yang’s statements lacked a
    sufficient degree of closeness to that topic and were instead
    an unprotected effort “‘“to gather ammunition”’ in his spat
    with Big Sugar. [Citation.].” (Id. at pp. 632-633.)
    C.   Analysis
    In this appeal, appellants argue that any statements
    on the Podcast were protected under the anti-SLAPP statute
    due to Watson’s celebrity status. Appellants also seek to
    redefine the “issue of public interest” in terms broader than
    those advanced in their anti-SLAPP motion below. For the
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    reasons explained below, appellants’ efforts are
    unconvincing.
    1.    Watson’s purported celebrity status is, in and of
    itself, insufficient to warrant anti-SLAPP
    protection for the statements at issue
    Appellants discuss at length Watson’s purported
    celebrity status, noting that “[t]here is literally an entire
    industry that thrives off of reporting on celebrities and
    actors – and a sub-genre of ‘where are they now?’
    productions” and that “paparazzi snap photos of the most
    mundane tasks being performed by celebrities.”
    However, as the holdings of Albanese, Bernstein, and
    Woodhill Ventures, make clear, celebrity status does not
    automatically immunize every statement that a celebrity
    makes.8 (Bernstein, supra, 43 Cal.App.5th at pp. 23-26;
    Woodhill Ventures, supra, 68 Cal.App.5th at p. 633;
    8       As indicated in our procedural summary, respondent alleged in
    his complaint that all three defendants (Watson, Lakin, and Khaled)
    were liable for slander for the statements made during the podcast,
    and defendants collectively filed their anti-SLAPP motion and argued
    that all statements alleged in the complaint were protected as
    statements made in connection with a public issue under subdivisions
    (e)(3) and (e)(4) of the anti-SLAPP statute.
    Given that our opinion is limited to prong one of the anti-SLAPP
    statute, we need not assess whether any or all statements identified in
    the podcast-related claim of the complaint are attributable to
    appellants; instead we treat appellants and Watson as a singular
    entity for purposes of our discussion.
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    Albanese, supra, 218 Cal.App.4th at p. 936.) Instead, these
    cases illustrate that where the statements target an
    individual or entity who does not reside in the public eye,
    defendants cannot rely on their own fame to broadly sweep
    into anti-SLAPP protection. (See, e.g., Bernstein, supra, at
    pp. 23-26; Woodhill Ventures, supra, at p. 633.)
    Appellants nevertheless attempt to do so by citing
    Seelig, supra, 97 Cal.App.4th at pp. 807-808, and arguing, if
    “[t]he court in Seelig found that a one-time contestant of a
    reality show was a public figure” then “a recurring cast
    member for 7 seasons of a nationally syndicated television
    show is certainly one as well.” However, the comments in
    Seelig were not uttered by the plaintiff but were about her
    and her participation in a television show that “generated
    considerable debate within the media on what its advent
    signified about the condition of American society” at that
    time. (Id. at p. 807.) Specifically, in Seelig the appellate
    court determined that statements made on a radio show
    regarding the plaintiff’s participation on Who Wants to
    Marry a Multimillionaire satisfied the public interest
    standard because “[b]y having chosen to participate as a
    contestant in the [s]how, plaintiff voluntarily subjected
    herself to inevitable scrutiny and potential ridicule by the
    public and the media.” (Id. at pp. 807-808.)
    Here, as the trial court pointed out, appellants did not
    allege that respondent himself, the target of the statements,
    is a public figure or person in the public eye. Moreover, in
    Watson’s own declaration she stated that “Cabot was a very
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    private person who did not seek personal publicity resulting
    from his work with me.” As such, appellants failed to
    sustain their burden with respect to this category of public
    interest. (Weinberg v. Feisel (2003) 
    110 Cal.App.4th 1122
    ,
    1132-1133 [“‘those charged with defamation cannot, by their
    own conduct, create their own defense by making the
    claimant a public figure’”].)9
    2.       Appellants’ attempts to reframe the “issue of
    public interest” on appeal are unpersuasive
    In their opening brief, under the heading “The
    Relevant Public Issue,” appellants argue that “[t]he [podcast]
    episode is not about Respondent” but about “Watson and
    Lakin’s time on Step by Step, Watson’s disconnection from
    the show’s cast members caused by an abusive and
    manipulative agent, and Watson’s successful struggle to free
    herself from this relationship.”10 Appellants assert that
    9      We note that in their anti-SLAPP motion, appellants in passing
    cited Hall v. Time Warner, Inc. (2007) 
    153 Cal.App.4th 1337
    , to observe
    that “even statements about a private person and their involvement in
    the private activities of a celebrity can become an issue of public
    interest . . .” Appellants make no mention of Hall in any of their briefs
    before this court. Given this — and the fact that the court in Bernstein
    thoroughly discussed the unique features of Hall (Bernstein, supra, 43
    Cal.App.5th at pp. 25-26) —we do not discuss Hall in this opinion.
    10     Appellants define the term “agent” as a “general term for
    managers, agents, promoters and others who assist in developing a
    celebrity’s career” and state that “[r]espondent’s specific job title in
    relation to the work he performed for Watson is immaterial.” We note,
    (Fn. is continued on the next page.)
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    “[t]he deliberate choice not to identify Respondent shows
    that the subject of the podcast episodes was not any kind of
    personal dispute Watson had with Respondent, but rather
    providing information to the podcast’s audience about the
    dangers young actors in Hollywood can face.”
    There are several problems with appellants’ position on
    appeal. First, the question of whether or not the statements
    were actually about respondent is relevant to the merits of
    respondent’s claim. (See Blatty v. New York Times Co.
    (1986) 
    42 Cal.3d 1033
    , 1042-1046 [discussing “of and
    concerning” aspect of defamation].) In addressing the first
    prong of the anti-SLAPP statute, we accept the plaintiff’s
    allegations as true (Park, 
    supra,
     2 Cal.5th at p. 1067), and
    appellants conceded in their first prong argument below that
    the statements alleged in the FAC were about respondent
    and Watson’s personal relationship with him.
    Second, in the trial court, appellants identified the
    issue of public interest differently than they do presently,
    namely as one of “sexual harassment and/or assault.”
    However, the challenged statements did not discuss sexual
    harassment or assault. As the trial court observed, there
    were no statements about sexual harassment or assault in
    either Cabot’s complaint for defamation or the podcast
    however, that in arguing the merits prong of the anti-SLAPP statute in
    the trial court, appellants argued that the statements in the complaint
    could not reasonably be construed to be about respondent because he
    “never formally represented [Watson] as an agent or manager, or in
    any other role as a public-facing representative.”
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    transcript. Thus, the allegations made by Watson in a
    separate (and wholly disputed) declaration she submitted in
    support of the anti-SLAPP motion could not provide a basis
    upon which defendants could meet their burden on the
    initial prong. (See Medical Marijuana, Inc. v.
    ProjectCBD.com (2016) 
    6 Cal.App.5th 602
    , 621 [“It would be
    inappropriate for us to insert into a pleading claims for relief
    based on allegations of activities that plaintiffs simply have
    not identified . . . . It is not our role to engage in what would
    amount to a redrafting of the first amended complaint . . . .
    and then assess whether the pleading that we have
    essentially drafted could survive the anti-SLAPP motion
    directed at it”]; cf. Moriarty v. Laramar Management Corp.
    (2014) 
    224 Cal.App.4th 125
    , 135 [noting defendant’s anti-
    SLAPP argument was based on a “selective reading” of the
    complaint].)
    To the extent appellants now argue that the
    statements were about the “exploitation of young actors” or
    “the dangers young actors in Hollywood can face” or “the
    exploitation of young actors by their agents” (after redefining
    the term “agent”), these arguments were not set forth in the
    initial anti-SLAPP motion, and respondent did not have the
    opportunity to oppose them. (Cabral v. Martins, supra, 177
    Cal.App.4th at p. 478 [stating, generally, that anti-SLAPP
    movant must make “‘“a threshold showing that the
    challenged cause of action is one arising from protected
    activity . . . by demonstrating that the act underlying the
    plaintiff's cause fits one of the categories spelled out in
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    section 425.16, subdivision (e)”’”], italics added; see also
    World Financial Group, Inc. v. HBW Ins. & Financial
    Services Inc. (2009) 
    172 Cal.App.4th 1561
    , 1569 [stating
    anti-SLAPP movants forfeited new arguments regarding
    content of speech], disapproved on other grounds in FilmOn,
    
    supra,
     
    7 Cal.App.5th 133
    , 246); cf. Keener v. Jeld-Wen, Inc.
    (2009) 
    46 Cal.4th 247
    , 264 [forfeiture rule is designed to
    promote efficiency and deter gamesmanship].)
    Further, appellants’ arguments bespeak an effort to tie
    a specific or personal dispute to “‘a broad and amorphous
    public interest’” (FilmOn, 
    supra,
     7 Cal.5th at p. 150) — or a
    “synecdoche theory of public issue in the anti-SLAPP
    statute,” where “[t]he part [is considered] synonymous with
    the greater whole.” (Commonwealth Energy Corp. v.
    Investor Data Exchange, Inc. (2003) 
    110 Cal.App.4th 26
    , 34).
    “[V]irtually always, defendants succeed in drawing a line—
    however tenuous—connecting their speech to an abstract
    issue of public interest.” (FilmOn.com Inc., 7 Cal.5th at
    p. 150.) However, we must determine whether the
    statements at issue in some manner “contribute to the public
    debate.” (FilmOn, 
    supra,
     7 Cal.5th at p. 150, quoting
    Wilbanks, supra, 121 Cal.App.4th at p. 898.)
    Here, the statements were made about the private
    relationship between Watson and respondent. While Watson
    had enjoyed celebrity decades prior and may still have been
    known to listeners of the podcast, there is no evidence that
    this relationship with respondent was the subject of any
    “‘ongoing controversy, dispute, or discussion’” (cf. FilmOn,
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    supra,
     7 Cal.5th at p. 145; quoting Du Charme v.
    International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (2003) 
    110 Cal.App.4th 107
    , 119.) — or that respondent himself is a
    public-facing agent, producer, or other individual. (FilmOn,
    at p. 145.) Moreover, Watson went on the show for the
    purpose of speaking about the release of her Christmas song.
    Appellants admit that the Worst Podcast Ever is not a
    serious source of news reporting but a fun show that attracts
    listeners interested in entertaining topics. Thus, based upon
    the content and context of the statements, they were not
    made in connection with an issue of public interest such that
    they are protected. (FilmOn, 
    supra, at pp. 148-149
    .)
    Accordingly, and for the reasons discussed throughout
    this opinion, we must affirm the trial court’s order.11
    11     In light of our decision, we need not reach the second step of the
    section 425.16 analysis, namely, whether there is a probability of
    success on the merits. (See Baral, 
    supra,
     1 Cal.5th at p. 385 [second
    step reached only if “the defendant makes the required showing” as to
    protected activity].)
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    DISPOSITION
    The order denying the anti-SLAPP motion is affirmed.
    Respondent shall recover his costs on appeal.
    NOT TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL REPORTS
    MORI, J.
    We concur:
    CURREY, Acting P.J.
    COLLINS, J.
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