State of Iowa v. Nicholas Cagle ( 2019 )


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  •                     IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF IOWA
    No. 17-1663
    Filed May 1, 2019
    STATE OF IOWA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    vs.
    NICHOLAS CAGLE,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    ________________________________________________________________
    Appeal from the Iowa District Court for Des Moines County, John G. Linn,
    Judge.
    The defendant appeals his conviction for sexual abuse in the second
    degree. AFFIRMED.
    William Monroe of Law Office of William Monroe, Burlington, for appellant.
    Thomas J. Miller, Attorney General, and Tyler J. Buller, Assistant Attorney
    General, for appellee.
    Considered by Tabor, P.J., Bower, J., and Blane, S.J.*
    *Senior judge assigned by order pursuant to Iowa Code section 602.9206 (2019).
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    BLANE, Senior Judge.
    Nicholas Cagle appeals his conviction of sexual abuse in the second degree
    based on error in evidentiary rulings and ineffective assistance of trial counsel. He
    asserts the court erroneously admitted the out-of-court forensic video interview of
    the child witness, J.C.      Additionally, he maintains his trial counsel provided
    ineffective assistance when counsel failed to object to (1) the prosecutor’s alleged
    misconduct during the trial, (2) admission into evidence of the out-of-court forensic
    video, and (3) claimed improper evidence of vouching for the credibility of J.C.
    Upon our review of the issues, we find neither error by the court nor ineffective
    assistance by Cagle’s counsel and affirm.
    I. Factual background.
    “Viewing the trial evidence in the light most favorable to the jury’s guilty
    verdict[], the jury could have found the following facts.” State v. Romer, 
    832 N.W.2d 169
    , 172–73 (Iowa 2013). Four-year-old J.C. was on Cagle’s bed and
    wearing his “Batman jammies.” Defendant Cagle showed him a cellphone video
    depicting a “big kid” in the rain who took off a girl’s shirt, started “licking her
    booboos,”1 put the “big thing” in the girl’s mouth, then “took it out” and “put it in
    her.” Then Cagle and J.C. started “touching” and “wiggling” their “weewees”2 “up
    and down.” In J.C.’s words, Cagle “peed” on J.C.’s hand. The “pee” was “white”
    and came out of his Cagle’s “weewee.” Afterwards, Cagle was “angry” and made
    grunting sounds. Cagle told J.C. not to tell anyone.
    1 When   asked what a “booboo” is, J.C. pointed at his chest and said he had a “tiny booboo”
    when pointing at or grabbing his pectoral.
    2
    J.C.’s mother testified that he uses the word “wee-wee” for “penis.”
    3
    J.C.’s mother picked J.C. up from Cagle’s home. She did not think anything
    out of the ordinary, except that J.C. “didn’t have any underwear on.” Cagle told
    her that J.C. had wet the bed. A few days later, J.C. spoke with a forensic
    interviewer at the Mississippi Valley Child Protection Center (CPC). The interview
    was recorded. J.C. recounted the above-described event in age-appropriate
    vocabulary: “Q. When [Cagle] peed on your hand, were you touching his weewee?
    A. Yeah. Q. What were you touching it with? A. My hand.”
    At trial, J.C. (now five years old) said he did not remember much about the
    last time he stayed with Cagle. He did say that his Cagle “pee[d]” on his hand.
    There had been little or no discord between J.C., his mother, and Cagle. J.C.’s
    mother said there were no custody issues, that she and Cagle had remained
    friends, and she thought they were both “trying to do what’s best for . . . [J.C.].”
    According to Cagle’s wife, J.C. “looked up to [Cagle] very much; [Cagle] was his
    idol.”
    A forensic analysis of Cagle’s cell phone revealed pornographic videos,
    including one “out in the rain [that involved] sucking on a female’s breasts and then
    leading into intercourse.” At least one of the videos also showed oral sex.
    II. Procedural background.
    On September 8, 2016, the Des Moines county attorney filed a trial
    information charging Cagle with sexual abuse in the second degree in violation of
    Iowa Code sections 709.1(3); 709.3(1)(b); and 709.3(2) (2018), a class “B” felony.
    Cagle’s counsel filed a written arraignment and plea of not guilty. A jury trial
    commenced on August 29, 2017.
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    After the jury was selected and sworn and before the opening statement,
    the court directed the prosecutor to read to the jury the trial information and to
    advise the jury of Cagle’s plea. The prosecutor then read the trial information,
    starting with the caption and including the statement “in the name of and by the
    authority of the State of Iowa” and, “This is a true information. Amy K. Beavers,
    Des Moines County Attorney, by Todd E. Chelf, senior assistant county attorney.”
    The prosecutor then stated to the jury: “To this charge, the defendant has pled not
    guilty.” Cagle’s trial counsel did not object to these proceedings.
    During the State’s case-in-chief, the prosecution offered, and the court
    admitted over a defense hearsay objection, the video of J.C.’s pretrial forensic
    interview at CPC. The State called the forensic interviewer as a witness. Cagle
    claims the witness gave “vouching” testimony for J.C., to which his trial counsel
    failed to object. During closing argument, the prosecutor made the statement to
    the jury that J.C. testified, “[Cagle] peed on my hand.” Cagle contends this was a
    misstatement of the evidence and his trial counsel failed to object to prosecutorial
    misconduct.
    On August 30, the jury returned a guilty verdict. Cagle’s counsel filed a
    motion for new trial, which was denied. On October 16, Cagle was sentenced to
    twenty-five years’ confinement. He filed his notice of appeal on October 19.
    III. Discussion.
    A. Ineffective assistance of counsel.
    On appeal, Cagle concedes error was not preserved on certain claims,
    requiring them to be analyzed as allegations of ineffective assistance of counsel.
    Claims of ineffective assistance are a recognized exception to the error-
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    preservation rule in direct appeals. State v. Ondayog, 
    722 N.W.2d 778
    , 784 (Iowa
    2006). When counsel fails to preserve error at trial, a defendant can have the
    matter reviewed as an ineffective-assistance-of-counsel claim. State v. Brubaker,
    
    805 N.W.2d 164
    , 170 (Iowa 2011). We can reach an ineffective-assistance-of-
    counsel claim on a direct appeal if the record is sufficient to reach it. 
    Id.
     If the
    record is insufficient to allow for a review on direct appeal, we do not reach the
    issue on direct appeal and allow the defendant to raise the claim in a separate
    postconviction-relief action. State v. Harris, 
    919 N.W.2d 753
     (Iowa 2018).
    The burden of proof to establish by a preponderance of evidence a claim of
    ineffective assistance of counsel is on the defendant. Ondayog, 
    722 N.W.2d at 784
    . Cagle must show that (1) his attorney failed to perform an essential duty, and
    (2) prejudice resulted to the extent that it denied him a fair trial. See id.; see also
    Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
    , 694 (1984). To prevail on a claim of
    prosecutorial misconduct, the defendant must show both the misconduct and
    resulting prejudice. State v. Graves, 
    668 N.W.2d 860
    , 869 (Iowa 2003).
    B. Standard of review.
    Ineffective-assistance claims are reviewed de novo. State v. Virgil, 
    895 N.W.2d 873
    , 879 (Iowa 2017).
    C. Whether defense counsel was ineffective for not objecting to the
    prosecutor’s reading of the trial information and the manner in which he
    advised the jury of Cagle’s plea of not guilty.
    Cagle complains that the assistant county attorney committed not just
    prosecutorial error, but prosecutorial misconduct3 by reading the entire contents of
    3
    Prosecutorial misconduct is when a “‘prosecutor intentionally violates a clear and
    unambiguous obligation or standard imposed by law, applicable rule or professional
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    the trial information to the jury and the manner in which the jury was informed of
    the defendant’s not-guilty plea. The contention is based on Iowa Rule of Criminal
    Procedure 2.19(1)(a)(1), which provides: “(1) Reading indictment and plea. The
    clerk or prosecuting attorney must read the accusation from the indictment or the
    supplemental indictment, as appropriate, and state the defendant’s plea to the
    jury.”4 (emphasis added). The issue involves what constitutes the accusation and
    the manner in which the prosecutor is to advise the jury of the defendant’s plea.
    Specifically, the record shows that the prosecutor read the entire trial
    information from the caption to the endorsement of “A True Information” and as
    signed by the assistant county attorney.5 Cagle claims the reading of the entire
    trial information was error as it exceeds the “accusation” called for by the rule. He
    argues that the reference to “accusation” limits the county attorney to reading only
    the charge against the defendant—nothing more. Cagle also argues that the
    county attorney, in reading the entire trial information, stated it was a “true”
    information. He contends that by doing so, the county attorney impermissibly
    conduct,’ as well as ‘those situations where a prosecutor recklessly disregards a duty to
    comply with an obligation or standard.’” State v. Schlitter, 
    881 N.W.2d 380
    , 394 (Iowa
    2016) (citation omitted).
    In addressing fair-trial challenges based on prosecutorial behavior, we first
    determine whether the prosecutor violated a duty to the defendant. If so, we consider
    whether that violation was intentional or reckless. 
    Id.
     (distinguishing between claims of
    prosecutorial error and prosecutorial misconduct). An intentional or reckless violation
    amounts to prosecutorial misconduct while an unintentional violation amounts only to
    prosecutorial error. 
    Id.
     We then determine whether the error caused prejudice. State v.
    Plain, 
    898 N.W.2d 801
    , 818–19 (Iowa 2017).
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    This has been the law since 1860: “The jury having been empaneled and sworn, the trial
    must proceed in the following order: 1. The clerk or district attorney must, if the indictment
    be for a felony, read it, and state the defendant’s plea to the jury.” Iowa Code ch. 212, §
    4785(1) (1860).
    5
    As Iowa Rule of Criminal Procedure 2.5(5) provides, a trial information may be used
    instead of a grand jury indictment. For this reason, we substitute “information” or “trial
    information” where appropriate for indictment.
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    stated that the allegation of the charge was “true” and improperly influenced the
    jury.   In addition, the county attorney stated to the jury: “To this charge, the
    defendant has pled not guilty.” Cagle contends that the prosecutor failed to state
    that the not guilty plea was “certified true and correct.” Because his trial counsel
    failed to object to the county attorney’s claimed misconduct, Cagle urges that his
    counsel was ineffective and he is entitled to a new trial.
    Iowa Rules of Criminal Procedure 2.4 and 2.5 regarding indictment and trial
    information give us guidance. The trial information finds its origins in the grand
    jury indictment. See Iowa R. Crim. P. 2.5(5). Historically, the Iowa Code required
    that “an indictment, when found by the grand jury, and indorsed ‘a true bill,’ by the
    foreman, must be presented to the court by the foreman, in their presence, and
    marked ‘filed,’ by the clerk.” State v. Axt, 
    6 Iowa 511
    , 512 (1858).
    The rule now provides: “All indictable offenses may be prosecuted by a trial
    information. . . . The county attorney shall have the authority to file such a trial
    information except as herein provided or unless that authority is specifically
    granted to other prosecuting attorneys by statute.” Iowa R. Crim. P. 2.5(1). The
    rule goes on to require:
    The prosecuting attorney shall, at the time of filing such information,
    also file the minutes of evidence of the witnesses which shall consist
    of a notice in writing stating the name and occupation of each witness
    upon whose expected testimony the information is based, and a full
    and fair statement of the witness’ expected testimony.
    Iowa R. Crim. P. 2.5(3). The minutes of evidence are appended to the trial
    information as they must be presented to the magistrate or judge per rule 2.5(4)
    for review and approval before the trial information may be filed with the clerk of
    court. See Iowa R. Crim. P. 2.11(6)(c)(1) (providing a defendant may move to
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    dismiss a trial information “[w]hen the minutes of evidence have not been filed with
    the information”).
    The rule further provides: “An information shall be endorsed ‘a true
    information’ and shall be signed by the prosecuting attorney.” Iowa R. Crim. P.
    2.5(2). And the rule concludes:
    The information shall be drawn and construed, in matters of
    substance, as indictments are required to be drawn and construed.
    The term “indictment” embraces the trial information, and all
    provisions of law applying to prosecutions on indictments apply also
    to informations, except where otherwise provided for by statute or in
    these rules, or when the context requires otherwise.
    Iowa R. Crim. P. 2.5(5).
    Finally, the issue here appears answered by the following rule:
    An indictment is an accusation in writing, found and presented by a
    grand jury legally impaneled and sworn to the court in which it is
    impaneled, charging that the person named therein has committed
    an indictable public offense.
    Iowa R. Civ. P. 2.4(1) (emphasis added). A county attorney’s trial information is to
    be considered and construed in the same manner as an indictment. State v.
    Williams, 
    193 N.W.2d 529
    , 530 (Iowa 1972). Reading these rules together, the
    trial information, the same as an indictment, is “an accusation.”        The county
    attorney reading the entire trial information complied with the rules and did not
    commit misconduct or error, so Cagle’s trial counsel was not obligated to object.
    Thus, counsel did not breach a duty to Cagle, and counsel did not provide
    ineffective assistance. See Brubaker, 805 N.W.2d at 171 (“We will not find counsel
    incompetent for failing to pursue a meritless issue.”).
    That the rule provides the prosecuting attorney is to read “the accusation
    from the indictment” appears to be a limit on what should be read. Under the rules,
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    at the time the trial information is filed, the county attorney is to file the list of
    witnesses and minutes of evidence. These are appended to the trial information,
    but are not to be read to the jury as part of reading the trial information. Rule
    2.19(1)(a)(1) makes this clear by stating the clerk or prosecutor is to read only “the
    accusation from the indictment.”6
    We also point out that the prosecutor reading the trial information, which
    contains the statement it is a “true information,” is not making a statement that the
    contents are true, but that the document is what it purports to be—a trial
    information prepared by the prosecuting authority. Cagle’s argument that reading
    to the jury that it was a “true information” constituted prosecutorial misconduct has
    no merit. Reading the trial information to the jury is required by the rules of criminal
    procedure and complying with the rule is not misconduct.
    Further, we note that the trial court instructed the jury at the end of the trial
    regarding the trial information, stating in Instruction No. 2, “The Trial Information is
    the document that formally charges the defendant with a crime and is merely the
    method by which the defendant is brought into court for trial. It is not evidence.”
    In light of this instruction, the prosecutor stating that this was a “true information”
    was not prejudicial. See also State v. Ayers, No. 17-1054, 
    2018 WL 4360900
    , at
    *2 (Iowa Ct. App. Sept. 12, 2018) (finding the prosecutor’s recitation of “true
    information” when reading the trial information to the jury did not amount to
    Strickland prejudice).
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    We also note that the county attorney did not read or advise the jury that the trial
    information had been read and approved by a judge as provided in Iowa Rule of Criminal
    Procedure 2.5(4). To so advise would exceed the rule and likely be prejudicial.
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    Cagle next complains the prosecutor committed misconduct in reading that
    portion of the trial information that stated it was filed “in the name and by the
    authority of the State of Iowa.”        This language mirrors the Iowa Constitution
    provision: “The style of all process shall be ‘The State of Iowa’ and all prosecutions
    shall be conducted in the name and by the authority of the same.” 7 Iowa Const.,
    art. V, § 8. “The county attorney shall: 1. Diligently enforce or cause to be enforced
    in the county, state laws and county ordinances, violations of which may be
    commenced or prosecuted in the name of the state, county, or as county attorney,
    except as otherwise provided.” 
    Iowa Code § 331.756
     (emphasis added). Since
    the founding of our state, prosecution of a crime has been in the name of the state.
    The setting forth of this language in the trial information is mandated by the Iowa
    Constitution and is implemented by the statute. Again, we find no misconduct by
    the prosecutor in reading this phrase to the jury. 8 And again, we find no prejudice
    in light of the jury instruction regarding the purpose of the trial information.
    In one last attempt to show prosecutorial misconduct, Cagle argues that the
    county attorney, in advising the jury of Cagle’s plea, stated that the defendant had
    pled not guilty, but failed to advise the jury that such plea was “certified true and
    correct.”    Rule 2.19(1)(a)(1) provides only that the prosecutor “state the
    defendant’s plea to the jury.” The court instructed the jury in instruction no. 4, that
    Cagle had entered a plea of not guilty and this is a complete denial of the charge,
    which placed the burden on the State to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable
    7
    This article of the Iowa Constitution has been in place since 1857.
    8
    We also note that the trial information filed in this case is consistent with the form found
    in Iowa Rule of Criminal Procedure 2.37, Form 4.
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    doubt. We find the county attorney did not commit misconduct in not stating to the
    jury that Cagle’s plea of not guilty was “certified true and correct.” The rule does
    not require it, and the court’s jury instruction eliminated any possible claim of
    prejudice.
    Cagle’s trial counsel was not ineffective for failing to object where the
    objection would not have been sustained. See State v. Shanahan, 
    712 N.W.2d 121
    , 138 (Iowa 2006) (ruling where trial court could properly overrule objection,
    trial counsel did not fail to perform an essential duty when did not object); State v.
    Liddell, 
    672 N.W.2d 805
    , 809 (Iowa 2003) (recognizing the failure to prove either
    prong of the Strickland test is fatal to ineffective-assistance-of-counsel claims).
    D. Whether trial counsel was ineffective for failing to object to the court
    admitting into evidence the DVD of the forensic interview of J.C.?
    1. Error preservation.
    The parties agree that a hearsay objection to the admission of the DVD was
    preserved. They also agree that the lack-of-foundation and Confrontation Clause
    objections were not preserved and can only be reviewed as an allegation of
    ineffective assistance.9 See Meier v. Senecaut, 
    641 N.W.2d 532
    , 537 (Iowa 2002)
    (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both
    raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”);
    see also Ondayog, 
    722 N.W.2d at 784
    . In this division we will first consider
    whether counsel was ineffective for not raising lack-of-foundation and
    9 We note in our review of the trial record that Cagle’s trial counsel, at the same time as
    he raised the hearsay objection to the DVD, also stated, “And it’s interference with Mr.
    Cagle’s right to confront the victim, the accuser.” Apparently, the parties agree this was
    insufficient to preserve the Confrontation Clause issue. We will address the issue as the
    parties agree—under the ineffective-assistance-of-counsel framework.
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    Confrontation Clause objections and will then address the hearsay objection that
    was made at trial.
    2. Lack of foundation.
    Cagle’s appellate counsel contends that the record with the court, made
    outside the presence of the jury, shows that the sponsoring witness, Amy
    Kuboushek, the person who interviewed and made the forensic video of J.C.,
    acknowledged not being shown the video before testifying and, thus, could not lay
    the proper foundation for its admission.10 We have reviewed the record made
    outside the presence of the jury as well as that before the jury. The record shows
    that Kuboushek testified she was the person who conducted the recorded
    interview, was familiar with the DVD, maintained custody of it, and that it fairly and
    accurately represented the interview with J.C. The prosecutor specifically pointed
    out that he had not asked foundation questions of the witness in front of the jury
    until after the out-of-the-presence-of-the-jury hearing as he was cautious not to
    advise the jury of the video before he had a ruling from the court on its admissibility.
    After the hearing, once back before the jury, the record shows adequate questions
    were posed and answered by the sponsoring witness to establish foundation that
    the DVD exhibit was fair and accurate. See State v. Deering, 
    291 N.W.2d 38
    , 40
    (Iowa 1980) (“A proper foundation for the admission into evidence of a motion
    picture film demands only that the fidelity of the film’s portrayal be established.
    10
    We do not like to comment on attorney conduct, but appellant’s brief takes such liberty
    with the record in this appeal that we feel compelled to do so. The appellant counsel’s
    representation of what the record proves is so far removed from what the actual record
    states as to border on unethical conduct. We recognize appellate counsel was not trial
    counsel and had to familiarize himself with the record for this appeal. But the
    representations to this court of what is in the record is not borne out by our reading of it.
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    When, as here, a witness to the event purportedly depicted by the film testifies that
    the film accurately portrays that event, a foundation has been established upon
    which the trial court, in the exercise of its sound discretion, may admit the film into
    evidence.”).
    We find the record here adequate to review the ineffective-assistance-of-
    counsel claim on this issue. Since the foundation for admission of the DVD was
    adequate and a lack-of-foundation objection would have been overruled, Cagle’s
    trial counsel was not ineffective for not making the objection. See State v. Musser,
    
    721 N.W.2d 734
    , 752 (Iowa 2006) (“Counsel has no duty to raise an issue or make
    an objection that has no merit.”).
    3. Confrontation Clause.11
    At the same time he lodged the hearsay objection to the forensic video, the
    record shows Cagle’s trial counsel also mentioned “confrontation.” However,
    Cagle in his appeal brief, concedes the Confrontation Clause was not preserved
    and argues it as an ineffective-assistance claim. Thus, we address this issue for
    ineffective assistance.
    The Confrontation Clause issue is easily resolved. “[W]hen the declarant
    appears for cross-examination at trial, the Confrontation Clause places no
    constraints at all on the use of his prior testimonial statements.” Crawford v.
    Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 59 n.9 (2004); accord State v. Rojas, 
    524 N.W.2d 659
    ,
    664 (Iowa 1994) (“The Confrontation Clause was satisfied here because the
    11
    We note that Cagle does not set out a separate section identified as a Confrontation
    Clause claim, but he references the Confrontation Clause issue within argument in his
    brief. The State specifically addresses the Confrontation Clause claim in a separate
    division of its brief. We find it appropriate to separately address it here.
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    hearsay declarant actually testified in court and was available to be cross-
    examined.”); State v. Froning, 
    328 N.W.2d 333
    , 336 (Iowa 1982) (“Where the
    declarant whose testimony the state wishes to introduce is present at trial, gives
    his sworn testimony at trial, and is subject to cross-examination by the defense as
    happened at the petitioner’s trial, the Confrontation Clause is satisfied.”); see also
    State v. Hopwood, No. 13-1479, 
    2015 WL 6509746
    , at *5 (Iowa Ct. App. Oct. 28,
    2015) (rejecting identical argument on virtually identical facts in child-sex-abuse
    case). Since J.C. was deposed and was cross-examined by defense when he
    testified at trial, the Confrontation Clause was satisfied and Cagle’s trial counsel
    was not ineffective for not objecting on this basis.
    4. Hearsay objection.
    As noted above, Cagle’s trial counsel made the hearsay objection during
    trial, so we review this for error and not as an ineffective-assistance claim. We
    review hearsay rulings for correction of errors at law and will reverse the admission
    of hearsay evidence as prejudicial unless the contrary is shown. State v. Elliott,
    
    806 N.W.2d 660
    , 667 (Iowa 2011). All other evidentiary objections (e.g., lack of
    foundation) are reviewed for abuse of discretion.12 
    Id.
    Cagle claims the DVD of J.C.’s forensic interview was hearsay and
    inadmissible. See Iowa R. Evid. 5.802. Inadmissible hearsay is considered to be
    12
    The State in its appeal brief recognizes the current standard of review for hearsay is for
    correction of errors at law but asks the court to revert back to the prior standard of abuse
    of discretion that is applied to other evidentiary issues, citing State v. Weaver, 
    554 N.W.2d 240
    , 247 (Iowa 1996). The Supreme Court transferred this case to us. We are not at
    liberty to overrule or set aside Supreme Court precedent; we leave the task of overruling
    precedent to our supreme court. See State v. Miller, 
    841 N.W.2d 583
    , 584 n.1 (Iowa 2014)
    (acknowledging that both the district court and the court of appeals had “properly relied on
    . . . applicable precedent” and noting that “it is the role of the supreme court to decide if
    case precedent should no longer be followed”).
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    prejudicial to the non-offering party unless otherwise established. State v. Newell,
    
    710 N.W.2d 6
    , 18 (Iowa 2006). Hearsay is not admissible unless any of the
    following provide otherwise: the Constitution of the State of Iowa; a statute; these
    rules of evidence; or an Iowa Supreme Court rule. 
    Id.
    Cagle argues that the trial court advised counsel it was relying on the case
    of State v. Castaneda, 
    621 N.W.2d 435
    , 446 (Iowa 2001) in determining
    admissibility of the video. Castaneda is based on the declarant not being available
    to testify at trial. 
    621 N.W.2d at 447
    . Cagle claims that since J.C. was available
    and testified at the trial, Castaneda did not provide a legal basis for the video’s
    admission and his hearsay objection should have been sustained. We are not
    limited on appeal to the trial court’s basis for admission of an exhibit. Cascade
    Lumber Co. v. Edward Rose Bldg. Co., 
    596 N.W.2d 90
    , 92 (Iowa 1999) (“[W]e are
    not bound, however, by the trial court’s application of legal principles.”)
    On appeal, the State contends that the forensic video was admissible under
    Iowa Code section 915.38(3), the residual hearsay exception in Iowa Rule of
    Evidence 5.807,13 and Rojas, 
    524 N.W.2d at 662
    . Section 915.38(3) provides:
    The court may upon motion of a party admit into evidence the
    recorded statements of a child, as defined in section 702.5,
    describing sexual contact performed with or on the child, not
    otherwise admissible in evidence by statute or court rule if the court
    determines that the recorded statements substantially comport with
    the requirements for admission under rule of evidence 5.803(24) or
    5.804(b)(5).
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    Before 2009, the Iowa Rules of Evidence included one residual exception for available
    declarants in rule 5.803(24) and another for unavailable declarants in rule 5.804(b)(5). As
    part of the 2009 restyling, and to partially conform Iowa’s rules to the Federal Rules of
    Evidence, both the available-declarant and unavailable-declarant residual-hearsay
    exceptions were combined into a single rule: 5.807. See 7 Laurie Kratky Doré, Residual
    Exception, Iowa Practice Series: Evidence § 5.807:1 (2018 ed.). “[C]ases decided under
    either former Iowa Rule 5.803(24) or 5.804(b)(5) should provide authority with respect to
    the interpretation of the new Iowa Rule 5.807.” Id.
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    To invoke the residual-hearsay exception, the offering party must meet five
    requirements: trustworthiness, materiality, necessity, service of the interests of
    justice, and notice. Rojas, 
    524 N.W.2d at
    662–63. We have reviewed the trial
    record and particularly the admitted exhibit—the recorded forensic interview—and
    find all of the Rojas factors were sufficiently met here for its admission. The district
    court did not err in overruling Cagle’s hearsay objection and admitting the exhibit.
    See State v. Pantaleon, No. 15-0129, 
    2016 WL 740448
    , at *2 (Iowa Ct. App. Feb.
    24, 2016).
    Cagle also reiterates his earlier objection to the forensic video—that the
    CPC interviewer was associated with the State and the interview was thus part of
    the “government investigation” and should result in the video not being admissible.
    Cagle did not preserve this point for appeal. Even if he had, we agree with earlier
    cases that the CPC interviewer is not part of the law-enforcement investigation.
    See State v. Whitman, No. 06-0780, 
    2007 WL 2963660
    , at *2 (Iowa Ct. App. Oct.
    12, 2007) (approving admission of interview at CPC, noting “[t]he dual purpose of
    medical treatment and investigation does not defeat the admissibility of the
    evidence”). This argument forms no basis to keep J.C.’s forensic interview out of
    evidence.
    E. Whether trial counsel was ineffective for failing to object to the
    vouching evidence for the veracity of J.C.?
    Cagle raises the vouching claim as ineffective assistance of counsel,
    complaining his trial attorney failed to object to testimony that constituted an
    impermissible legal opinion and allegedly vouched for the veracity of J.C.
    Therefore, our review on this issue is de novo. State v. Wills, 
    696 N.W.2d 20
    , 22
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    (Iowa 2005). As instructed by our supreme court in State v. Dudley, we must break
    down each statement Cagle “claims as objectionable to determine if the State
    crossed the line.” 
    856 N.W.2d 668
    , 678 (Iowa 2014).
    Amy Kuboushek is the forensic interviewer who conducted the recorded
    interview with J.C. and testified for the State at trial. Cagle’s first complaint is that
    Kuboushek testified: “[A] forensic interview is a legally sound way of gathering
    information, in this case, children is who I interview.” (Emphasis added.) Cagle
    argues this testimony constituted both a legal opinion which the witness was not
    qualified to render and indirectly vouched for J.C.’s credibility, which required an
    objection by his trial counsel.
    Expert witnesses may not opine on whether a child victim is telling the truth
    or whether they believe the abuse actually happened. See, e.g., 
    id.
     at 676–77
    (“We again reaffirm that we are committed to the legal principle that an expert
    witness cannot give testimony that directly or indirectly comments on the child’s
    credibility.”); State v. Brown, 
    856 N.W.2d 685
    , 689 (Iowa 2014); State v. Jaquez,
    
    856 N.W.2d 663
    , 666 (Iowa 2014). It is for the jury to determine the credibility of
    the child witness. In addition, witnesses are not permitted to give legal opinions.
    In general an expert witness is not permitted to state a legal
    conclusion. This rule is modified somewhat if a legal issue is raised
    in such a way as to become a necessary operative fact; when
    however the legal conclusion is a rule of decision to be applied by
    the judge or jury in deciding the case, it is not a proper subject for
    expert testimony.
    Terrell v. Reinecker, 
    482 N.W.2d 428
    , 430 (Iowa 1992) (citations omitted).
    The State contends that Kuboushek was only describing an interview
    process as “legally sound,” which was neither a legal opinion nor did it connote
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    Cagle’s guilt or support the child’s veracity. We agree with the State. Her use of
    the qualifier that the interview was “legally sound,” although improvident, was
    couched with her testimony that she is employed by the Mississippi Valley CPC,
    which is nationally accredited by the National Children’s Advocacy Center, and she
    followed the national protocol to conduct the interview. This testimony was not
    truly a legal opinion. See Heinz v. Heinz, 
    653 N.W.2d 334
    , 342 (Iowa 2002)
    (finding expert testimony was not a legal conclusion made for the trier of fact.) It
    goes more to reliability of the interview process for admission purposes, which was
    an evidentiary ruling to be made by the court, than to the veracity of the interview,
    which was for the jury.
    We also find Kuboushek’s comment did not vouch for J.C. An expert
    witness may testify to the general practices used by the interviewer to interview
    the child witness. See State v. Westmoreland, No. 15-1951, 
    2017 WL 512479
    , at
    *4 (Iowa Ct. App. Feb. 8, 2017). We find Cagle’s trial counsel was not ineffective
    for failing to object to this evidence.
    Next Cagle argues that his trial counsel should have objected when
    Kuboushek said she was “part of the investigation,” even though she later clarified
    that she was “not an investigator.” He asserts that it was improper to “place . . . this
    alleged ‘neutral’ expert witness on the side of the State.” Cagle fails to cite legal
    authority in support of this proposition, and we deem this issue waived. See Iowa
    R. App. P. 6.903(2)(g)(3) (“Failure to cite authority in support of an issue may be
    deemed waiver of that issue.”).
    Cagle next contends that his counsel failed to object to Kuboushek
    testifying, “It is very common for children, young children to respond very differently
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    [to sexual assaults than a teenager or adult].” He argues this statement attested
    to what conclusion the jury should reach about J.C.’s response to the alleged
    sexual assault, how he acted, and what his affect was during the forensic interview.
    See State v. Myers, 
    382 N.W.2d 91
    , 97 (Iowa 1986) (stating experts will not be
    allowed to opine on matters “that either directly or indirectly renders an opinion on
    the credibility or truthfulness of a witness”).
    Upon our review of Kuboushek’s testimony, we find it fit within the
    permissible opinion an expert may testify about why a “child’s recollection of the
    events may seem inconsistent,” and “why child[] victims may delay reporting their
    sexual abuse” because it can “assist the jury in understanding some of the
    seemingly unusual behavior child victims tend to display.” Dudley, 856 N.W.2d at
    676–77. That is what Kuboushek did here. She did not tell the jury her opinion
    about whether the abuse happened but instead provided generalized information
    that would allow jurors to make their own conclusion. The interviewer’s only
    comment on the content of J.C.’s statements in the interview was that he used
    “age-appropriate” language, which is a permissible observation. See State v.
    Tjernagel, No. 15-1519, 
    2017 WL 108291
    , at *9–10 (Iowa Ct. App. Jan. 11, 2017).
    Cagle’s counsel had no duty to object to this line of questioning because testimony
    about the general symptoms of child-sex-abuse victims is permissible. Simpson
    v. State, No. 15-1529, 
    2017 WL 1735615
    , at *5 (Iowa Ct. App. May 3, 2017)
    (providing an expert is “allowed to testify to the classic characteristics that are
    exhibited after people have experienced a trauma” (quoting State v. Gettier, 
    438 N.W.2d 1
    , 4 (Iowa 1989)).
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    Finally, Cagle contends his trial counsel failed to object to Kuboushek
    testimony it was possible for a child to be legally sexually assaulted but not think
    the assault a big deal and that this frequently happens to small children. He claims
    this was also improperly vouching for the credibility of J.C. by explaining to the jury
    how to view the way J.C. presented during the forensic interview. Again, we find
    that this testimony properly fit within that which is permissible under Dudley. See
    State v. King, No. 16-1615, 
    2017 WL 6039990
     at *6 (Iowa Ct. App. Dec. 6, 2017)
    (describing generally what expert witness interviewer may testify to regarding
    interview). Kuboushek did not cross the “fine line” of vouching for J.C. Cagle’s
    counsel was not ineffective since an objection would not be sustained.
    IV. Conclusion.
    Upon our review of all issues raised by Cagle, we find his trial counsel was
    not ineffective in not objecting to the prosecutor’s reading of the trial information or
    in advising of the defendant’s not-guilty plea, in failing to lodge foundation and
    confrontation objections to the admission of the child witness’s video recorded
    pretrial statement, or in failing to object to claimed vouching testimony, and the trial
    court did not err in overruling the defense’s hearsay objection to the video.
    AFFIRMED.