In re Crandall , 430 P.3d 902 ( 2018 )


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  •                 IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF KANSAS
    No. 117,910
    In the Matter of DAVID P. CRANDALL,
    Respondent.
    ORIGINAL PROCEEDING IN DISCIPLINE
    Original proceeding in discipline. Opinion filed November 30, 2018. Six-month suspension.
    Stanton A. Hazlett, Disciplinary Administrator, argued the cause, and Deborah L. Hughes,
    Deputy Disciplinary Administrator, was with him on the brief for petitioner.
    David P. Crandall, respondent, of Creative Planning Legal, P.A., of Leawood, argued the cause
    pro se and was on the brief for respondent.
    PER CURIAM: This contested attorney discipline proceeding arises out of two
    separate matters handled by David P. Crandall. After the Disciplinary Administrator filed
    a formal complaint, the chairman of the Board for Discipline of Attorneys appointed a
    hearing panel. The hearing panel conducted an evidentiary hearing, at which Crandall
    appeared in person and through counsel. The panel later issued its final hearing report in
    which it concluded Crandall violated six provisions of the Kansas Rules of Professional
    Conduct (KRPC): KRPC 1.1 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 289) (competence), KRPC 1.3 (2018
    Kan. S. Ct. R. 292) (diligence), KRPC 1.4(b) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 293) (communication),
    KRPC 1.5(a) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 294) (fees), KRPC 1.7(a) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 302)
    (concurrent conflict of interest), and KRPC 8.4(d) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 381) (conduct
    prejudicial to the administration of justice). The panel majority recommended this court
    suspend Crandall from the practice of law for a period of six months. A dissenting voice
    would have imposed a one-year suspension.
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    Before this court, Crandall contests many of the panel's factual findings and raises
    several legal arguments. To begin with, he challenges this court's subject matter
    jurisdiction over one of the complaints. Crandall, who was licensed in Kansas in 1999,
    later received licenses to practice law in Missouri and California. He argues the Kansas
    Supreme Court has no say when his clients were residents of Missouri and he was acting
    under his Missouri license. He also contends the imposition of discipline would result in
    violations of the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, the
    disciplinary hearing panel erred in not admitting investigators' reports at the disciplinary
    hearing, and the panel's conclusions that he violated various rules of professional conduct
    are unsupported by clear and convincing evidence.
    As fully detailed below, after reviewing each instance of misconduct found by the
    panel, we find clear and convincing evidence Crandall violated the six provisions of the
    Kansas Rules of Professional Conduct as found by the hearing panel. In assessing
    discipline, we consider the facts and circumstances of each violation; the ethical duties
    Crandall violated; the knowing nature of his misconduct; the injury resulting from his
    misconduct; any aggravating and mitigating factors; and the applicable American Bar
    Association (ABA) Standards for imposing discipline. After applying this framework, a
    majority concludes Crandall's misconduct warrants a six-month suspension. A minority
    would impose a lesser punishment.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    The formal proceedings began against Crandall when the Disciplinary
    Administrator received a letter questioning the reasonableness of a fee Crandall charged
    for updating an estate plan. The Disciplinary Administrator treated the letter as a
    complaint and docketed it for investigation, assigning docket number DA11921.
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    While DA11921 was pending, a Johnson County district court judge forwarded a
    copy of the judge's order rejecting most of Crandall's requested fees in a probate matter in
    which Crandall represented an executor and successor executor of an estate. The
    Disciplinary Administrator docketed the order as a complaint against Crandall, assigning
    docket number DA12304.
    A hearing panel heard evidence relating to the two complaints over two days and
    subsequently released a 67-page Final Hearing Report. Crandall filed timely exceptions
    to the report under Supreme Court Rule 212 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 255). He later filed a
    timely brief explaining his disputes with the hearing panel's findings of fact and
    conclusions of law.
    As we review Crandall's arguments, we begin with the panel's findings of fact in
    which the panel addressed each complaint separately.
    Crandall's estate planning for B.A. and V.A. in DA11921
    The first complaint, DA11921, arises out of Crandall's representation of a married
    couple, B.A. and V.A. They were residents of Missouri at the time of Crandall's
    representation.
    Crandall first represented B.A. and V.A. in 2007, while he was with a law firm. At
    that time, he updated their estate plan for a fee of $900. Later, he left the firm and
    established his solo practice, locating his office in Kansas. The hearing panel made the
    following findings of fact about Crandall's contact with the couple and the services he
    charged for work he subsequently performed:
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    "19. In October, 2008, the respondent sent a 15 page letter to B.A. and V.A. In
    the letter, the respondent informed B.A. and V.A. that he had become affiliated with the
    National Network of Estate Planning Attorney's [sic] and the Family Wealth Planning
    Institute and had changed the way he does estate planning. The respondent conducted an
    analysis of their current estate plan. To conclude the letter, the respondent encouraged
    B.A. and V.A. to attend a workshop for prospective clients.
    "20. In 2012, when B.A. and V.A. were in their late 80s and after V.A. had
    developed significant memory problems, B.A. and V.A. again retained the respondent to
    update their estate plan. On May 7, 2012, B.A. and V.A. entered into an estate planning
    engagement letter, a deliberate legacy services addendum, and a long-term care planning
    services addendum with the respondent. Because of the dementia, V.A. was unable to
    understand the documents and B.A. signed the documents on her behalf.
    "21. The respondent included the following regarding his legal fees, in the
    engagement letter:
    'Legal Fees: The legal fee for each service requested is
    described in each respective Services Addendum. Most of our services
    are provided on a fixed fee basis with portions of the fee payable at
    various times during the process as scheduled in the respective Services
    Addendum. When a fee is paid, it is for services rendered to that point,
    and is not refundable. We are responsible to start drafting legal
    documents or to do whatever other services are described only when we
    negotiate (deposit) your first payment/check.
    'If you terminate our representation no later than 3 days after
    payment of the first fee under the Services Addendum, then we will not
    charge the balance of the fee. After that, however, we will quickly invest
    substantial time toward implementing your plan, and will expect you to
    pay the balance of the fee and accept the services.
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    'Payments are due when billed. Unpaid balances due for more
    than thirty days are subject to a service charge of 1.5% per month.'"
    B.A. and V.A. had assets valued at $472,479, and they hoped to protect their
    assets from the expenses of long-term care so their children would have an inheritance.
    Crandall realized that B.A. and V.A. could be eligible for Veterans Administration Aid
    and Attendance benefits. Crandall established two trusts, an irrevocable one (the veterans
    eligibility trust) and a revocable trust (the deliberate legacy trust) funded with just under
    $80,000—the approximate amount of estate a veteran could have and still be eligible for
    veterans benefits. The revocable trust was 130 pages in length. Crandall designed these
    trusts to make the couple immediately eligible for veterans benefits and eventually for
    Medicaid benefits after the expiration of the five-year look-back period for divestiture of
    assets. Each child would receive an equal share (about $15,000) that would be held in
    trust for the next generation (a generation skipping trust). Crandall also drafted a power
    of attorney and a pour-over will naming the revocable trust as B.A.'s beneficiary upon his
    death. Crandall testified he created the documents by using the software provided by the
    National Network of Estate Planning Attorneys.
    Disagreements between the couple's children resulted in changes to the trustee of
    one of the trusts. One of the children asked another attorney, Deborah McIlhenny,
    whether Crandall's fee was reasonable. McIlhenny, who does not routinely handle estate
    matters, consulted with an estate lawyer who said the fee was much too high. McIlhenny
    sent a letter to the Disciplinary Administrator raising her concerns.
    The Disciplinary Administrator asked another attorney, Philip D. Ridenour, to
    review the reasonableness of the fee. Ridenour concluded the revocable trust Crandall
    drafted was needlessly complex. Ridenour thought the reasons for this could be (1)
    Crandall used a form; (2) Crandall lacked experience or expertise to evaluate the couple's
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    existing trust and to understand it was adequate for their needs; or (3) to justify his fee.
    Ridenour knew no other estate planning lawyer who would have suggested the generation
    skipping trust Crandall established. According to Ridenour, the trust corpus did not
    support the fees required to administer the trust over the years it could pay benefits to the
    five beneficiaries, who had life expectancies of another 30 to 40 years.
    The hearing panel quoted Ridenour's report in which he laid out the confusing
    nature of the fee agreement:
    "'None of the documents I have reviewed show any breakdown between fees
    charged for preparation of the revocable trust and the veterans' trust.
    "'Mr. Crandall's comments as to how his fees are to be calculated are confusing.
    "'At Exhibit 3 page 30, Mr. Crandall in his Estate Planning Engagement Letter
    states:
    "'"Estimated Estate Value: The fees charged and the planning
    recommended are based upon your estimated gross estate value."
    "'That statement seems to be at odds with the statement on Exhibit 3, page 34 of
    the same letter:
    "'"Legal Fees: The legal fee for each service requested is
    described in each respective Services Addendum. Most of our services
    are provided on a fixed fee basis with portions of the fee payable at
    various times during the process as scheduled in the respective Services
    Addendum."
    "'It is also difficult to know quite what services are covered by the "flat fee." At
    page 2 of his letter of November 7, 2014, to Stan Hazlett, . . . Mr. Crandall's lawyer []
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    represents "(i) this was a fixed fee and not hourly, (ii) the fee included unlimited legal
    advice before execution of the estate planning documents and continuing after execution,
    for a period of three (3) years; (iii) the fee included implementation of the plan, including
    funding/transferring of assets into the trusts, and (iv) the fee included regular plan
    maintenance and review of client objectives and changes in the law. All of these services
    are to be provided to [B.A. and V.A.] over a three (3) year period following execution at
    no additional charge."
    "'That is consistent with Mr. Crandall's statement appended to [his attorney's]
    letter, at page 3:
    "'"When this firm is engaged for these services, we commit to
    three years of counseling (both with the client and with designated
    helpers), implementation, and revision of the plan without any additional
    fee."
    "'But both of those statements appear inconsistent with Mr. Crandall's statement
    in his Engagement Letter, Exhibit 3, page 34:
    "'"Changes in Design; Unusual Costs: Our fee quotation is for
    the plan designed in the planning meeting. Changes to plan design may
    involve additional fees. We will notify you promptly if design changes
    will result in additional charges. If changes are necessary because of
    incomplete or inaccurate information you provide, new assets or
    increased values associated with the existing assets, etc., there will be
    additional fees. Therefore, it is essential that you give us complete and
    accurate information at the outset.
    "'"If your planning involves unanticipated costs, such as
    excessive consultation time with your other advisors, or out-of-pocket
    expenses incurred for you (like unanticipated long distance telephone
    calls, express mail, etc.) we will charge you for those costs."
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    "'The representation by [Crandall's attorney], along with the attached comment
    by Mr. Crandall suggests that both unlimited legal advice and revision of the estate plan
    for a period of three years are covered by and included within the flat fee, while Mr.
    Crandall's Engagement Letter states that changes to the estate plan and "excessive
    consultation time" will incur additional charges.
    "'Perhaps these apparently contradictory statements regarding fees can all be
    reconciled, but since I find them confusing and conflicting, it seems reasonable to assume
    that [B.A.] would also have found them to be confusing.'"
    The hearing panel agreed, finding:
    "22. Under the agreements, B.A. and V.A. were to pay $27,586.00 for long term
    care planning services and $3,440.00 for deliberate legacy services, for a total of
    $31,026.00. The respondent's Services Addendums are confusing. It is difficult to tell
    what each fee relates to. (As an aside, it is important to note that under federal law, it is a
    crime to charge a veteran or their spouse to apply for veterans' benefits.) From the
    exhibits presented, it appears that B.A. and V.A. paid $25,855.00 of the agreed amount to
    the respondent between May, 2012, and October, 2012."
    The Disciplinary Administrator also asked Stacey Janssen, an estate planning
    attorney in the Kansas City area, to review Crandall's work. Janssen felt Crandall had
    appropriately established the veterans eligibility trust. But, like Ridenour, she criticized
    the 130-page deliberate legacy trust. She felt many provisions were unnecessary and
    "complete overkill." She expressly criticized the lifetime legacy (or protective) trusts
    established for each of the couple's children. Janssen also testified about fees typically
    charged in the Kansas City area. She stated that most estate planning lawyers would have
    charged $3,000 to $8,000 for similar services. Janssen also testified she would not have
    taken the representation because there was disagreement among the children. She saw the
    disagreement as a red flag suggesting complications were likely, including an increased
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    risk for a potential disciplinary complaint. She also agreed that the disagreement may
    have required more time being spent on the matter.
    Crandall presented David Kerr as an expert who offered his opinion that Crandall's
    fees were reasonable. The hearing panel quoted Kerr's testimony at length. In that
    testimony he told the panel he was familiar with the type of engagement agreement
    Crandall had offered B.A. and V.A. because he used it at times. He testified attorneys
    often used the agreement with elderly people who, as a group, have a tendency not to
    "'call the lawyer because they're concerned about getting charged with a telephone call.
    And so when you have a fixed price contract with an agreed period of service and a
    description of the services then they feel free to call.'" He felt it was an appropriate
    arrangement for V.A. and B.A.'s situation. He also observed that when you agree to offer
    services for three years, "'you haven't got a clue as to what [the future issues or questions
    are] going to be, but you are prepared to do it and you're prepared to help the family and
    help them not make mistakes.'" He also testified Crandall developed an appropriate plan
    for V.A. and B.A. Specifically,
    "'by applying to VA benefits it expanded the amount of money available . . . . [Crandall]
    put a significant amount of assets into that trust, but then preserved them. Then [B.A.]
    was eligible for his $900 a month which could help pay for assisted living along with
    their other assets. But it did more than that, okay. It's integrated, okay. So it's not just one
    thing. You're thinking, okay, what can happen in the future. By establishing that
    discretionary trust, what I call a lock box trust, for [B.A. and V.A.] and putting their
    assets in it, if they go for five years then at the end of five years none of those assets will
    be counted as a divestment for purposes of qualifications of Medicaid. That will occur in
    November of possibly 2017, so about a year from now. So in doing that he not only
    helped qualify him for VA, but he also set it up that as time passed there would be
    eligibility for Medicaid and no divestment penalty. So I saw that as integrated. . . . What I
    saw is economic benefit from doing this.'"
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    Kerr also testified that V.A. also benefited because "'she was the widow and the
    successor. And, as I recall, because Mr. Crandall then did work for her at no cost in terms
    of the application. I think she qualified to get $1,100 a month'" for her lifetime. This
    means Kerr "'saw the plan as being worth more than $478,000. [He] saw it as enhanced
    by the revenue that—what Mr. Crandall did to supply it and under the three-year
    agreement by being available to provide additional services to enhance then what [V.A.]
    would receive.'"
    He also testified there was a benefit to the revocable trust because it protected the
    children and secured the funds
    "'from divorcing spouses. If they got sick and needed social benefits, the monies in there
    wouldn't disqualify them for that. If they were in a really bad accident and were at fault
    and had a big judgment against them, all the assets in there would be protected. And so I
    saw that as integrated. And so I thought what he did was appropriate but unappreciated
    because people don't look at it that way.'"
    Kerr stated he felt the attorney fees charged V.A. and B.A. "'were very
    reasonable.'" In Kerr's view, given the veterans benefits and the potential for future
    benefits "'economically speaking it was worth it.'"
    Both Kerr and Crandall continually emphasized that Crandall's services were
    unique. Crandall pointed to specific provisions, such as a requirement in the durable
    power of attorney document for a panel of individuals to determine disability. He also
    cited the three years of ongoing counseling and what he called a no-probate guarantee.
    Finally, he suggested other attorneys were only interested in getting enough client
    information to complete forms, used one-size-fits-all forms, and sent the clients home to
    fend for themselves.
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    Ridenour and Janssen took a different view. For example, Janssen testified she
    spends a significant amount of time discussing the client's goals; visiting with the client
    and his or her family; and learning of health issues, the family dynamic, and caregivers.
    The estate plan is then tailored to the specific goals and needs. And, after her client signs
    the documents, she continues to work with the client to be sure assets are transferred to
    trusts and other details are completed. In addition, her flat fee includes post-execution
    meetings with the fiduciary, as needed, and continuing to answer questions that might
    arise.
    Crandall's representation of Anthony and A.L. as executors in a probate action arising
    out of their mother's death, DA12304
    Anthony L. hired Crandall to represent him as executor of his mother's, M.L.'s,
    estate. The estate was initially valued at approximately $71,000, of which $70,000 was
    attributable to M.L.'s residence. M.L. had owned the residence since 1978. Both Anthony
    and A.L. lived there with their mother for many years and continued to live there when
    M.L. was in a nursing home and after her death. A.L. paid off the mortgage on the house
    in 2007.
    Before her death, M.L. executed two different deeds transferring the same piece of
    real property—her residence. M.L. first executed a deed under which she owned the
    property as a joint tenant with right of survivorship with her two daughters. If enforced,
    the property passed to the daughters outside of M.L.'s estate. Under the later deed, the
    property passed to a trust.
    Crandall filed a petition for probate of M.L.'s will and sought the issuance of
    letters testamentary on behalf of Anthony in September 2007. M.L.'s daughters filed
    defenses to the admission of the will in November 2007. Benjamin Sherber, representing
    the Kansas Estate Recovery Program, filed a petition for allowance and classification of a
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    demand seeking to recover medical assistance the State had provided through Medicaid.
    The claim was for $216,619.39. A scheduled November 2007 hearing was continued. No
    court action appears to have taken place from sometime in 2007 until 2009.
    The next activity in the estate case occurred because Anthony died. In March
    2009, Crandall petitioned for allowance of attorney fees and expenses and moved to
    withdraw. A.L., Anthony's brother, retained Crandall to represent him as successor
    executor of the estate. In April, Crandall entered his appearance on behalf of A.L.,
    withdrew his request for attorney fees and expenses, and filed a second petition for
    probate of M.L.'s will and issuance of letters testamentary.
    Nothing else happened in the estate proceeding until August 2011. Crandall's
    billing records show little activity over this two-year period. In 2010, he only billed 2.8
    hours, all in the month of April. But in an exhibit Crandall submitted to the hearing panel,
    he reported working on the case in other months. He did little in the first half of 2011,
    billing 2.8 hours through June of that year. His billing picked up significantly in July and
    August of 2011 when Sherber filed a petition to set aside the two deeds M.L. executed
    before she died. Shortly after, the court admitted the will to probate and issued A.L.
    letters testamentary.
    In November 2011, the court issued an order setting aside the deeds. The order,
    drafted by Sherber, stated that the house was not a homestead. Crandall's and Sherber's
    testimony differed in describing how the homestead language became part of the order,
    and the hearing panel indicated it found Sherber to be more credible. Sherber explained
    he added the homestead language and it was not ruled on nor discussed at the in-
    chambers meeting with the district court. Sherber also testified he included the language
    based on a similar document he drafted in the past; it was not the result of any negotiation
    he had with Crandall.
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    Crandall did not discuss the contents of the order with A.L. before approving it,
    even though he knew A.L. lived in the house. And throughout the probate process,
    Crandall encouraged A.L. to sell the house. The panel noted: "By selling the house, the
    respondent's attorney fees could be satisfied."
    In September 2012, the probate court dismissed the probate case for lack of
    activity. The hearing panel found: "At no time during the seven and one-half years that
    the respondent represented Anthony L. and A.L. as executors of M.L.'s estate, did the
    respondent seek an extension of time, under K.S.A. 59-1501." Under that statute, an
    estate must be settled within nine months of the appointment of an executor or
    administrator unless the district court grants an extension.
    Shortly after the dismissal, Crandall filed a petition requesting the dismissal be set
    aside. The district court granted the motion. Subsequently, Crandall took little action for
    an additional extended period of time.
    Sometime after the court reopened the case, A.L. spoke to someone other than
    Crandall and learned he might be eligible for a homestead exemption related to the sole
    estate asset—the home where A.L. continued to live. A.L. testified he did not inform
    Crandall because Crandall had not seemed concerned about the effect of the house's sale
    on A.L. personally. Crandall had never suggested to A.L. he might have a homestead
    right.
    In January 2015, the district court held a hearing on M.L.'s estate. A.L. raised the
    possibility he had homestead rights. Crandall sought permission to withdraw as A.L.'s
    counsel. The district court granted Crandall's request a few days later.
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    In February 2015—seven years and five months after Crandall had filed the
    petition to probate M.L.'s will—Crandall petitioned for fees and expenses in the matter,
    requesting fees and expenses of $16,388.32. The most recent appraisal of the real
    property—the only asset of the estate—valued it at $35,000. Leonard Hall, who replaced
    Crandall as A.L.'s counsel, filed a written defense to Crandall's request for fees and
    expenses. In that response, Hall noted, among other things, that the value of the property
    declined by more than one-half during Crandall's representation.
    Hall also filed a petition for determination of homestead and final settlement.
    Crandall wrote a defense and opposed the petition for determination of homestead. The
    district court, with a new judge presiding because the previous judge had retired, granted
    A.L.'s petition for determination of homestead. The district judge questioned Crandall's
    standing to oppose the petition but determined the question was moot. The judge granted
    in part Crandall's petition for fees. Based on a review of the eight-factor test established
    in KRPC 1.5(a), the judge determined the just and reasonable legal fees and expenses
    totaled $3,293.56 rather than the $16,388.32 Crandall had requested. The district judge
    then forwarded a copy of his order to the Disciplinary Administrator, who docketed it as
    a complaint.
    Against this factual background, we turn to our standard of review.
    ANALYSIS
    In a disciplinary proceeding, we consider the evidence, the hearing panel's
    findings of fact and conclusions of law, and the parties' arguments to determine whether
    KRPC violations exist and, if so, what discipline to impose. In re Lundgren, 
    306 Kan. 482
    , 500, 
    394 P.3d 842
     (2017). Misconduct must be established by clear and convincing
    evidence, which is "'evidence that causes the factfinder to believe that "the truth of the
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    facts asserted is highly probable."'" In re Lober, 
    288 Kan. 498
    , 505, 
    204 P.3d 610
    (2009) (quoting In re Dennis, 
    286 Kan. 708
    , 725, 
    188 P.3d 1
     [2008]); see also Supreme
    Court Rule 211(f) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 251).
    When testimony conflicts, we recognize the hearing panel had an opportunity to
    observe witnesses and evaluate demeanor. We do not reweigh evidence or pass on
    credibility. Rather, we examine any disputed findings to determine whether clear and
    convincing evidence supports the findings of the panel as trier of fact. In re Hawver, 
    300 Kan. 1023
    , 1038, 
    339 P.3d 573
     (2014); In re Walsh, 
    286 Kan. 235
    , 246, 
    182 P.3d 1218
    (2008).
    Although clear and convincing evidence is required to prove misconduct, the
    standard is different in considering the aggravating and mitigating factors the hearing
    panel weighs: "[S]ome evidence of [aggravating and mitigating] circumstances must be
    presented for weighing." In re Biscanin, 
    305 Kan. 1212
    , 1220, 
    390 P.3d 886
     (2017). The
    panel determines "how much weight to assign to each [aggravating or mitigating
    circumstance] in arriving at an appropriate discipline." Walsh, 286 Kan. at 248. The
    hearing panel's and the Disciplinary Administrator's recommendations on discipline are
    "advisory only and do not prevent [this court] from imposing greater or lesser sanctions."
    Biscanin, 305 Kan. at 1229; see also Supreme Court Rule 212(f) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R
    255).
    With these standards in mind, we next turn to the parties' arguments and our
    review of the hearing panel's findings and conclusions. We first consider some threshold
    legal arguments. Then we will turn to Crandall's arguments that are specific to findings or
    conclusions of the hearing panel.
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    DA11921
    1. This court has subject matter jurisdiction in DA11921.
    Crandall argues we lack subject matter jurisdiction over the alleged disciplinary
    violation in DA11921 because it involved his activities as a Missouri-licensed attorney
    advising Missouri clients.
    Crandall did not challenge subject matter jurisdiction before the hearing panel. But
    subject matter jurisdiction may be raised at any time. Dennis, 286 Kan. at 723-24. We
    thus consider Crandall's subject matter jurisdiction challenge despite it being raised for
    the first time before us.
    In making that challenge, Crandall does not raise a choice of law issue by arguing
    that Missouri law or Missouri rules of attorney discipline differ from the Kansas rules
    applied by the disciplinary panel. Instead, focusing on subject matter jurisdiction,
    Crandall draws an analogy to criminal law under which a criminal defendant may only be
    prosecuted in the jurisdiction where the crime occurs. Because his clients were Missouri
    residents, he argues this means we cannot discipline him. Crandall's analogy breaks down
    because the record reflects (1) Crandall operates under a Kansas-licensed LLC, (2)
    Crandall appears to have had only one office when V.A. and B.A. executed the
    agreements, and that office was in Kansas, and (3) the relevant agreements were
    notarized in Kansas. Thus, at least the execution of the estate planning documents
    occurred in Kansas. While Missouri law may have governed the documents, acts giving
    rise to the allegations of misconduct occurred in Kansas.
    Moreover, while Crandall correctly recites the criminal rule, he fails to recognize
    that the rule is rooted in the Kansas Constitution. See Kan. Const. Bill of Rights, § 10. No
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    similar constitutional provision exists for attorney discipline matters. But the Kansas
    Constitution, Article 3, § 1 vests the Kansas Supreme Court with the authority to
    administer the judicial department of Kansas government and to exercise judicial power.
    This power includes "maintaining high standards for the practice of the law." Martin v.
    Davis, 
    187 Kan. 473
    , Syl. ¶ 5, 
    357 P.2d 782
     (1960). This authority "extends beyond the
    initial licensing of attorneys," and admitted attorneys "are amenable to the rules and
    discipline of the court in all matters of order and procedure and to the continuing
    supervision and control of the practice of law not in conflict with the federal and state
    constitutions." 
    187 Kan. 473
    , Syl. ¶ 5.
    One of our rules, Supreme Court Rule 201 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 233), subjects
    "[a]ny attorney admitted to practice law in this state . . . to the jurisdiction of the Supreme
    Court and the authority hereinafter established by these Rules." The rule does not specify
    whether jurisdiction means personal jurisdiction, subject matter jurisdiction, or both. But
    KRPC 8.5 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 382) (jurisdiction) clarifies that a Kansas attorney "is
    subject to the disciplinary authority of this jurisdiction although engaged in practice
    elsewhere." These rules, when read in conjunction, make clear we have subject matter
    jurisdiction to exercise disciplinary authority over Kansas licensed attorneys even when
    engaged in practice outside Kansas. The Disciplinary Administrator points us to two
    cases as additional support for this reading of Rule 201: Walsh, 
    286 Kan. 235
    , and In re
    Eastepp, 
    258 Kan. 766
    , 
    907 P.2d 842
     (1995).
    In Walsh, the respondent, like Crandall, argued the alleged misconduct occurred in
    Missouri and thus Kansas had no jurisdiction. We rejected his argument, citing Rule 201
    and previous decisions holding that "Kansas attorneys can be disciplined for conduct
    committed outside of Kansas." 286 Kan. at 250-51. The Walsh court referred to two such
    decisions. In one, In re Arnold, 
    274 Kan. 761
    , 762, 
    56 P.3d 259
     (2002), the claimed rule
    violation had occurred in federal court. Although that made the case somewhat
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    distinguishable, "there is still nothing limiting the jurisdiction of this court over the
    actions of an attorney admitted to practice law in Kansas merely because those actions
    occur in another state." 286 Kan. at 251. The Walsh court also relied on Eastepp, 258
    Kan. at 766-69—the second case cited by the Disciplinary Administrator in response to
    Crandall's argument. In Eastepp, we imposed reciprocal discipline on a Kansas attorney
    for misconduct engaged in in Colorado. Walsh, Arnold, and Eastepp support the
    conclusion that this court had authority to discipline Kansas-licensed attorneys no matter
    where the misconduct occurred. Walsh, 286 Kan. at 250-51.
    Comments to KRPC 8.5 and commentators reinforce that it is appropriate for a
    licensing jurisdiction to impose discipline on a lawyer licensed in that jurisdiction even
    when the conduct occurs outside its territorial boundaries. For example, the comments to
    the ABA's Model Rule of Professional Conduct 8.5 explain: "It is longstanding law that
    the conduct of a lawyer admitted to practice in this jurisdiction is subject to the
    disciplinary authority of this jurisdiction." Bennett, Cohen & Gunnarsson, ABA
    Annotated Model Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 8.5, p. 707 (8th ed. 2015). As
    other commentators explain, misconduct in another jurisdiction "still reflects on the
    ability of that lawyer to practice" in the licensing jurisdiction. Rotunda & Dzienkowski,
    Legal Ethics: The Lawyer's Deskbook on Professional Responsibility § 8.5-1, at 1433
    (2017).
    A Kansas attorney's license "is a continuing proclamation by the Supreme Court
    that the holder is fit to be entrusted with professional and judicial matters." Supreme
    Court Rule 202 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 233). An attorney's misconduct raises the question
    of whether and under what circumstances that proclamation should continue. For this
    reason, and all the reasons discussed above, we conclude we have subject matter
    jurisdiction to review Crandall's alleged misconduct and can exercise that jurisdiction to
    impose discipline even for claims involving non-Kansas residents.
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    2. Crandall failed to preserve his constitutional arguments.
    In Crandall's brief, he also argues we lack authority to impose discipline because
    KRPC 8.5 and Rule 201 infringe on his rights to free speech and free association under
    the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. In addition,
    during oral argument to this court, Crandall raised a due process argument by alleging the
    rules did not give him notice that his actions would constitute misconduct. Crandall did
    not raise any of these issues during the proceedings before the hearing panel.
    Focusing first on the argument Crandall raised at oral argument, we consider this
    argument to have been waived by Crandall's failure to provide us with a written
    argument—along with supporting authority. See Supreme Court Rule 212(c) (considering
    admitted any portion of final hearing report not excepted to); Supreme Court Rule 212(d)
    (requiring exceptions to hearing report be filed within 20 days; limiting respondent's
    presentation to "statement with respect to the discipline to be imposed" when a
    respondent fails to file exceptions); Supreme Court Rule 212(e)(5) (disciplinary matters
    are set for arguments as in appeals and presentation is limited to exceptions made to
    panel report and commenting on discipline to be imposed); see also In re Johnson, 
    262 Kan. 275
    , 279, 
    936 P.2d 258
     (1997) (noting arguments in disciplinary proceedings
    "should be presented at the hearing before the panel and not for the first time at oral
    argument before this court").
    Crandall did present written arguments on the First and Fourteenth Amendments,
    however. He argued his interactions with B.A. and V.A. were "protected by Respondent's
    rights to free speech and freedom of association protected by First and Fourteenth
    Amendments to the United States Constitution." And because "[t]he Rules of
    Professional Conduct do not purport to govern the speech or conduct of everyone, but
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    merely attorneys" and the court must examine "the content of Respondent's speech and
    the nature of Respondent's association with B.A. and V.A.," he argued we must apply
    strict scrutiny to review "the state's proposed restriction on Respondent's speech and
    freedom of association."
    In response, the Disciplinary Administrator presents a multi pronged argument
    attacking both the merits and the procedural viability of Crandall's position. As for the
    procedural soundness, the Disciplinary Administrator argues we should not consider
    Crandall's constitutional objections because Crandall did not argue them before the
    hearing panel. This failure, the Disciplinary Administrator asserts, amounts to an
    abandonment of the issue. The Disciplinary Administrator also noted that Crandall failed
    to establish the applicability of any exception to the general abandonment rule. For
    authority, the Disciplinary Administrator cites Kansas Supreme Court Rule 6.02(a)(5)
    (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 34) and State v. Godfrey, 
    301 Kan. 1041
    , Syl., 
    350 P.3d 1068
    (2015).
    Rule 6.02 sets out the requirements for filing an appellant's brief. In subparagraph
    (a)(5), it requires that "[i]f the issue was not raised below, there must be an explanation
    why the issue is properly before the court." Although this rule applies to an "appellant," it
    is incorporated into disciplinary proceedings in this court through Kansas Supreme Court
    Rule 212 if a respondent has filed exceptions.
    Rule 212(e)(3) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 257) requires a disciplinary respondent to file
    a brief, sets forth the timeframe for doing so, and states: "The briefs shall be of such
    number and form and be served in such manner as is provided by the rules relating to
    appeals in civil actions." (Emphasis added.) Rule 6.02 specifies the form for Crandall's
    brief, and it required him to explain why the constitutional issue was properly before the
    court even though he had not raised it before the hearing panel. See Rule 6.02(a)(5);
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    Godfrey, 
    301 Kan. 1041
    , Syl. ("Kansas Supreme Court Rule 6.02[a][5] . . . requires an
    appellant raising a constitutional issue for the first time on appeal to affirmatively invoke
    and argue an exception to the general rule that such claims may not be raised for the first
    time on appeal. Failure to satisfy Rule 6.02[a][5] in this respect amounts to an
    abandonment of the constitutional claim."); State v. Gomez, 
    290 Kan. 858
    , 862, 
    235 P.3d 1203
     (2010) (discussing exceptions that an appellant may invoke to justify raising a
    constitutional issue for the first time on appeal).
    Our caselaw makes clear that respondents in disciplinary cases must comply with
    Rule 6.02. We could cite a long line of cases in which this court has enforced Rule 6.02
    when disciplinary respondents have filed briefs that do not comply with its requirements
    but note only a few to illustrate. See, e.g., Hawver, 300 Kan. at 1048 ("document attached
    to Hawver's brief is not properly before this court because it is not part of the record" as
    required by Rule 6.02[b]"); Dennis, 286 Kan. at 723 (faulting respondent's brief because
    it contained neither a statement of facts nor specific citations to the record on appeal as
    required by Rule 6.02[d] [2007 Kan. Ct. R. Annot. 37]).
    We deem Crandall's constitutional issues abandoned because of his failure to raise
    the arguments to the panel and his failure to comply with Rule 6.02(a)(5)'s requirement
    that he explain why we should consider his constitutional arguments when they are raised
    for the first time in his brief in this court. As a result, we do not reach the parties'
    arguments about the merits of Crandall's constitutional issues.
    3. Crandall failed to preserve the issue of whether the panel should have admitted the
    investigators' reports.
    Next, Crandall objects to the hearing panel's refusal to admit the reports of the
    attorneys who investigated the two complaints and then drafted reports for the
    Disciplinary Administrator. A different attorney prepared the report related to each case.
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    Each report detailed an attorney's investigation and conclusions about whether any rule
    violations occurred. Both reports were largely favorable to Crandall. The investigator on
    DA11921 found no rule violation. The investigator on DA12304 found only one
    violation—a violation of KRPC 1.5(a) for billing secretarial services at an attorney's rate.
    Crandall asked to submit both reports as exhibits in his case but did not plan to call
    the authoring attorneys. The Disciplinary Administrator objected, arguing the reports
    contained hearsay, opinions, conclusions, and constituted the Administrator's work
    product. Crandall's attorney offered the reports "as a guide to help this Panel." He also
    stated "there is nothing in those reports which will not be backed up by other evidence
    that we will, in fact, introduce in this case." Crandall's attorney agreed with the
    Chairman's description that the reports offered "opinions as to whether or not there have
    been rules violations in each case." The hearing panel excluded the reports, concluding
    the reports were hearsay and offered opinions on the ultimate questions to be decided by
    the panel.
    Before turning to the parties' arguments, we note that disciplinary hearings before
    a panel are "governed by the Rules of Evidence as set forth in the Code of Civil
    Procedure." Supreme Court Rule 211(d) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R 252). We therefore consider
    these arguments in light of the Rules of Evidence. The Disciplinary Administrator
    invokes one of those rules—K.S.A. 60-405—to argue Crandall is procedurally barred
    from raising the issue because he did not ask the hearing panel to admit the reports under
    a hearsay exception.
    As the Disciplinary Administrator argues, this court has interpreted K.S.A. 60-405
    to mean "the party arguing for admission of evidence must provide the trial judge with a
    specific basis for admission so the judge has a chance to fully consider whether the
    evidence should be admitted and to avoid any potential reversible error." See State v.
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    Tague, 
    296 Kan. 993
    , 998, 
    298 P.3d 273
     (2013). The same rationale applies equally when
    a hearing panel conducts the factfinding proceeding as it does when a judge conducts the
    proceeding. And Tague presents analogous circumstances and arguments to those
    presented by Crandall.
    Misty Tague asked this court to consider whether an exception existed for
    admission of hearsay and argued exclusion of the evidence violated her constitutional
    right to a fair trial. But she had not made those arguments at trial, and, as we noted, the
    "right [to present a defense] is not unlimited, but is instead subject to statutory rules and
    caselaw interpretation of the rules of evidence and procedure." 296 Kan. at 1000. And
    Tague failed to comply with statutory rules and the judicial interpretation of those rules
    that established the trial court must be alerted to any possible hearsay exception before
    making the decision about whether to admit hearsay evidence. Plus, even without the
    disputed evidence, Tague presented evidence supporting her defense theory. Thus, we
    declined to reach the merits. 296 Kan. at 1000-01.
    Similarly, here, when the Disciplinary Administrator objected based on hearsay,
    Crandall's attorney argued no hearsay exception or exclusion as a basis for overcoming
    the hearsay objection and admitting the reports. If Crandall had done so, the panel would
    have had the opportunity to consider the argument and correct any potential error. And
    because Crandall failed to present the hearing panel with an opportunity to rule on any
    hearsay exception, we conclude, as we did in Tague, that Crandall failed to preserve the
    issue for review. The failure to preserve the issue means that, under K.S.A 60-405, the
    hearing panel's "finding[s] shall not be set aside."
    Crandall, like Tague, also argues not admitting the reports violated his right to
    procedural due process. We have held that the Due Process Clause of the United States
    Constitution applies to lawyer discipline proceedings. In re Harrington, 
    305 Kan. 643
    ,
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    657, 
    385 P.3d 905
     (2016). But the constitutional right to present a theory of defense is
    still "subject to certain restraints: the evidence must be relevant, and evidentiary rules
    governing admission and exclusion of evidence are applied." State v. Robinson, 
    306 Kan. 431
    , 436, 
    394 P.3d 868
     (2017). This includes the rules of evidence governing
    admissibility of expert testimony. See State v. Cooperwood, 
    282 Kan. 572
    , 575-78, 
    147 P.3d 125
     (2006). Crandall had opportunities to present a hearsay argument, but he did
    not. Thus, as in Tague, the constitutional argument does not overcome the preservation
    obstacle. And Crandall still presented his theory of defense through his own testimony,
    his expert's testimony and report, and through his cross-examination of the Disciplinary
    Administrator's witnesses.
    Moreover, while Crandall presents extensive arguments about the hearing panel's
    hearsay ruling, he did not address in his brief the panel's alternative justification for its
    ruling: The reports are improper opinion testimony. Even after the Disciplinary
    Administrator noted the alternative basis for the ruling and Crandall's failure to discuss it,
    Crandall did not file a reply brief. Without argument on this point, Crandall has
    abandoned any argument that the hearing panel's ruling was erroneous. See In re Hodge,
    
    307 Kan. 170
    , 216, 
    407 P.3d 613
     (2017).
    We do not reach the merits of Crandall's arguments about the failure to admit the
    investigators' reports because he failed to preserve or properly present those arguments.
    Before leaving this issue, we consider Crandall's attacks on the Disciplinary
    Administrator. Crandall argues we should consider the reports because he understood
    there to be an agreement with the Disciplinary Administrator to admit them. The
    Disciplinary Administrator denies this allegation, pointing out Crandall or his attorney
    would have raised any agreement at the hearing if an agreement had been in place.
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    We find ourselves unable to resolve this dispute, however, because Crandall did
    not raise it before the hearing panel that could have made the necessary findings of fact.
    His failure to raise his objection below is now fatal to his claim. K.S.A. 60-405.
    4. Clear and convincing evidence supports the hearing panel's findings about the
    unreasonableness of attorney fees in DA11921, and we conclude Crandall violated
    KRPC 1.5.
    Crandall next objects to the hearing panel's conclusion that he violated KRPC 1.5
    by charging B.A. and V.A. an unreasonable fee. KRPC 1.5(a) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 294)
    identifies eight factors to consider in determining whether a fee is reasonable:
    "(1) the time and labor required, the novelty and difficulty of the questions
    involved, and the skill requisite to perform the legal service properly;
    (2) the likelihood, if apparent to the client, that the acceptance of the particular
    employment will preclude other employment by the lawyer;
    (3) the fee customarily charged in the locality for similar legal services;
    (4) the amount involved and the results obtained;
    (5) the time limitations imposed by the client or by the circumstances;
    (6) the nature and length of the professional relationship with the client;
    (7) the experience, reputation, and ability of the lawyer or lawyers performing the
    services; and
    (8) whether the fee is fixed or contingent."
    We will examine the record and the hearing panel's findings relating to each
    factor.
    4.1     Time and labor required, novelty and difficulty, and skill required
    The hearing panel concluded the representation in DA11921 was straightforward,
    only complicated by disagreement among B.A. and V.A.'s children. Crandall makes a
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    two-pronged response. First, he argues his time and labor justify the fee. Second, he
    argues he performed difficult and novel work.
    As to the first point, Crandall asserts the time he spent was significant. He relies
    on several parts of the record to support this point: the log of services he provided the
    panel, his expert's testimony, and the testimony of Janssen.
    As for the log, as one hearing panel member suggested in a separate decision,
    Crandall's reported hours "were not composed contemporaneously with the work done."
    And the detail of the time recorded on the log weakens the persuasiveness of Crandall's
    argument. For example, our review of the log reveals that Crandall reported hours for
    which he worked on matters related to veterans benefits—these may include hours for
    which he could not legally charge. Thus, there is good reason to question Crandall's
    records.
    Next, Crandall points to his expert's testimony and report. Kerr testified he does
    not do many fixed-fee arrangements like the one at issue here that offers services for
    three years. Kerr limits his practice to having no more than 18 of these arrangements at
    any given time because it "takes an awful lot of time to service these agreements and, of
    course, you don't know what you're getting into at the front." Kerr also testified the fee is
    based on both the anticipated amount of work over a three-year contract and the ages of
    the people and their assets.
    The panel seemed to give little weight to the fact that Crandall agreed to provide
    services to B.A. and V.A. for three years. There are several reasons for this. First,
    Crandall's testimony is inconsistent with Kerr's reliance on the amount of work required
    when justifying the fee. Crandall testified he charged consistently with what the National
    Network of Estate Planning Attorneys teaches, which is "roughly based on the value
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    provided to the client." Thus, Crandall did not stress the work he might perform in the
    future, making it understandable the panel likewise placed little emphasis on the point.
    And both Janssen and Ridenour testified that they and other attorneys in the community
    routinely include as part of their fee many of the same services, including meeting with
    fiduciaries and answering their questions, not charging for calls they could easily answer,
    and sending out client letters when relevant laws change. Finally, the fee agreement
    anticipated additional charges for the types of things likely to require significant time on
    Crandall's part, such as changes to the estate plan.
    Crandall next points to Janssen's testimony, which he characterizes as suggesting
    "the expected labor in this particular case was so significant that she would have declined
    the representation." Crandall, as the Disciplinary Administrator asserts, mischaracterizes
    Janssen's testimony. Janssen did testify she would not have taken the case because of the
    family conflict. She explained the need to have the entire family on board, which was not
    the case here. Without that buy in, she would have declined the representation—not
    because of the hours required—but because, "You are ripe for all kinds of complaints that
    have actually happened in this matter." She does agree that an unhappy family may
    require more time than a happy family. But, cognizant of the family conflict, she
    concluded the fee Crandall charged was unwarranted by the work needed.
    Closely tied to this opinion was Janssen's opinion that the estate planning involved
    here was straightforward and not novel. She testified, "Well, of course I want to say my
    area of practice is particularly novel and difficult and not everyone can do it. That being
    said, . . . absent the family dynamic issues, this is a fairly straightforward case." The
    panel adopted this view as its finding.
    Crandall criticizes the hearing panel's conclusion. He first cites Kerr's report,
    highlighting statements that (1) the planning allowed his client to qualify for veterans
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    benefits and (2) there were a limited number of elder law attorneys in Kansas (42
    statewide, 13 in Overland Park, none in Kansas City). He next criticizes the testimony of
    Ridenour, asserting Ridenour cannot be an expert because he does not handle veterans
    benefits at all and does not provide Medicaid planning without getting outside help. Even
    accepting these arguments, the hearing panel still had Janssen's testimony, which it
    apparently found persuasive.
    Crandall does cite a sentence in Janssen's testimony that he reads to support his
    position that the planning he did was complicated. But once again, Janssen's testimony
    was not entirely consistent with Crandall's representation. What she said was, "So the
    issue almost always is that we have too many assets. So the rule of thumb of assets for
    Veterans Administration eligibility is 80,000. The Medicaid stuff is more complicated, so
    we won't talk about really that today because we only have so much time." While Janssen
    used the word complicated, she did so in the context of stating only that the Medicaid
    rules were more complicated than the rules of the Veterans Administration. And
    ultimately, as we have already noted, she stated that "absent the family dynamic issues,
    this is a fairly straightforward case."
    In summary, Janssen's testimony provides clear and convincing evidence and
    establishes that the representation of B.A. and V.A. was straightforward and did not
    require the time and labor needed to justify the amount Crandall charged.
    4.2    Preclude other employment
    The panel concluded the representation in DA11921 did not preclude other
    employment because "the estate was a fairly typical case." Janssen's testimony again
    provides clear and convincing evidence that supports the finding that the estate was a
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    fairly typical case. It is less clear that that finding supports concluding the engagement
    did not preclude other employment.
    Crandall's Services Addendum informed the client, "If we are working on your
    matters, that precludes us from working on matters for others." Perhaps this put the
    clients on notice that Crandall would not work on other matters to be available to these
    clients. Kerr, as we have noted, also testified he limits the number of these types of
    engagements because of the time commitment they can entail and the unknown nature of
    that commitment. The hearing panel's final report does not address the quoted language
    in the Services Addendum, Kerr's testimony, or any impact these may have on the
    determination of whether this engagement precluded other employment.
    The Disciplinary Administrator counters that "[i]f the mere fact an attorney can
    work on only one case at a time satisfied this factor, then it would apply in every case."
    This exaggerates Crandall's position. Crandall is not arguing this factor should apply in
    every case—he is arguing that because the agreement here is similar to a retainer that
    assures he will remain available to this client for three years, then the client should bear
    the expense of securing that availability.
    In sum, although the estate planning portion of this case does not appear to support
    concluding that this representation precludes other employment, the continuing three
    years of additional services may.
    4.3    Fee customarily charged
    The hearing panel determined the fee customarily charged in the locality is
    between $3,000 and $8,000. This determination is supported by clear and convincing
    evidence, again through the testimony of Janssen and, to a lesser degree, Ridenour.
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    Crandall seeks to distinguish the services covered by his contract from those
    provided by other practitioners, particularly citing his probate avoidance guarantee and
    continuing services under the contract. Crandall also tries to discredit the Disciplinary
    Administrator's experts, particularly Ridenour, and asks us to consider one of the
    investigators' reports even though the hearing panel excluded it from evidence.
    The Disciplinary Administrator points to reasons the hearing panel chose not to
    credit Crandall's arguments. For example, the no-probate guarantee requires paying an
    additional annual maintenance fee of $1,500 after the first three years, plus a death
    administration fee to be paid by the heirs. And Janssen and Ridenour both testified to the
    types of services they include as part of their fee, including meeting with fiduciaries and
    answering their questions, not charging for calls that can be easily answered, and sending
    out client letters when relevant laws change. The Disciplinary Administrator also argues
    that Crandall's fee is unreasonable because it is three times higher than the highest going
    rate based on a formula that had nothing to do with the family conflict he blames for
    much of the time he recorded.
    Although Crandall has a point that his fee includes services over three years, the
    hearing panel appears to have been unpersuaded that the services Crandall provides are
    substantially different from the continuing services other attorneys also provide as part of
    their initial fees. That conclusion is factually supported by Janssen's and Ridenour's
    testimony and Crandall's engagement agreements about the limitations on what is
    included in his continuing services. This testimony and these documents constitute clear
    and convincing evidence supporting the panel's conclusion.
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    4.4    The amount involved and the results obtained
    Crandall prepared an integrated estate plan for the purposes of immediately
    qualifying V.A. and B.A. for veterans benefits, qualifying them for Medicaid benefits
    sometime in the future, and administering their assets by trust. For this work, Crandall
    charged $31,026—$27,586 for long-term care planning services and $3,440 for deliberate
    legacy services.
    In justifying the amount of the fee, Crandall and Kerr put weight on the benefits
    B.A. and V.A. received because of the veterans trust. The panel did not discuss or
    seemingly weigh these benefits. Crandall, in his brief, asserts "the clients have received
    over $60,000 in Veterans Administration benefits to date." While B.A. and V.A. did
    benefit from receiving veterans benefits, we cannot locate the $60,000 figure in our
    record. And as of the date of the panel hearing, V.A. and B.A. had not received Medicaid
    benefits.
    At one point in Crandall's testimony, he computed the value of his services by
    considering "what a nursing home cost would be per month . . . and kind of look at what
    the value of the assets are involved." Using this method, Crandall calculated a value of
    $25,855. He then later explained this number was "a multiple of five nursing home
    expenses, which were estimated at that time in the area, which was I think $5,171 . . . per
    month at that time." That number is slightly less than the $27,586 Crandall charged V.A.
    and B.A. for long-term care planning services—a number he never fully explained. But
    perhaps coincidentally, the amount corresponds to what V.A. and B.A. actually paid
    Crandall. He did say that the $27,586 actually billed represents "what you're returning to
    them by doing the planning. It's a value-based determination of fee." He also testified that
    he considered "something less than 5 or 6 percent of the value of the assets and a multiple
    of approximately the value of months of being in the nursing home" as a reasonable fee.
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    The fee Crandall charged was more than six percent of the value of the estate and
    more than his calculation of five months of nursing home expenses. We do not find an
    explanation in the record that correlates to the fee actually charged. This lack of
    explanation along with the varying statements made by Kerr and Crandall about what the
    fee represents decreases the persuasiveness of Crandall's argument that the fee can be
    justified based on the results achieved.
    The Disciplinary Administrator also points out that Crandall conceded another
    attorney could have obtained the same benefit. But Crandall charged three times the
    going rate in the community. The panel emphasized this point.
    Crandall counters by arguing he spends time with his clients determining their
    goals and their needs and does not adopt a cookie cutter approach to trust preparation.
    But he stated he used forms provided by the National Network of Estate Planning
    Attorneys, and the Disciplinary Administrator's experts pointed to unnecessary provisions
    that did not apply to V.A.'s and B.A.'s circumstances. The experts described the plan as
    needlessly complex and "complete overkill." He also argues he offers future services. But
    the value of these services is questionable. His "no probate" guarantee contains four very
    specific requirements that must be met for the guarantee to be effective. Significantly,
    these requirements include the payment of additional fees. As to the three-year follow up
    period, Crandall placed limitations on what was free. The services he does provide
    without charge include many of the usual and customary services most attorneys in the
    area offer for free after execution of similar estate plans.
    Thus, Crandall's estate planning did confer some benefit to V.A. and B.A. But
    clear and convincing evidence supports the panel's conclusion that the fee amount is not
    supported by the results obtained.
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    4.5    The time limitations imposed by the client or circumstance
    Clear and convincing evidence supports the hearing panel's conclusion that neither
    B.A., V.A., nor their children imposed any time limitations on the respondent. Crandall
    presents no argument to the contrary.
    4.6    Nature and length of relationship with client
    No party disputes the hearing panel's conclusion the attorney-client relationship
    between B.A. and V.A. and Crandall began in 2007.
    4.7    Crandall's experience, reputation, and ability
    In considering the seventh factor, the hearing panel stated: "No evidence was
    presented as to the respondent's experience, reputation, and ability, other than the
    respondent's own testimony about how long he has been practicing law in this area."
    Crandall criticizes the hearing panel's conclusion that the only evidence of his experience,
    reputation, and ability was his own testimony. Although critical of this conclusion,
    Crandall largely cites his own testimony to dispute it. He also cites to Kerr, who opined
    that Crandall's ability is high. But Kerr acknowledged he does not know Crandall's
    reputation in Kansas. The record does not contain evidence suggesting Crandall's
    experience, reputation, or ability warranted a fee so much higher than the typical fee
    charged by other practitioners.
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    4.8    Fixed or contingent fee
    The hearing panel noted the fee was fixed. Neither party disputes or otherwise
    challenges this conclusion.
    4.9    Conclusion: The factors weigh in favor of a determination that the fee was
    unreasonable.
    Overall, clear and convincing evidence supports most of the hearing panel's
    findings. And even where there is some question—the weight given to the three-year
    commitment and the failure to recognize the benefits received—those factors do not
    weigh in favor of a determination that Crandall's work, his skill, the results he achieved,
    or any other consideration can justify charging the fee Crandall charged V.A. and B.A.
    In addition, Crandall at oral argument tacitly conceded he asked no other Kansas
    lawyer about the propriety of such a fee structure. He stated he instead consulted other
    members of the National Network of Estate Planning Attorneys about the flat fee
    structure that organization advocates. Had Crandall done his due diligence, either by
    consulting other Kansas lawyers or researching our caselaw, he should have discovered
    cases revealing his proposed structure, which included a nonrefundable fee, could
    potentially violate KRPC 1.5. We previously adopted other panels' conclusions of law
    that "[n]onrefundable flat fees are per se unreasonable." In re Knox, 
    305 Kan. 628
    , 634,
    641, 
    385 P.3d 500
     (2016) (quoting In re Scimeca, 
    265 Kan. 742
    , 
    962 P.2d 1080
     [1998]);
    see also In re Dellett, 
    299 Kan. 69
    , 78-79, 85, 
    324 P.3d 1033
     (2014). We also adopted a
    hearing panel conclusion that a provision in an engagement contract specifying that the
    attorney earns the fee in full when paid "is tantamount to charging a nonrefundable fee."
    Dellett, 299 Kan. at 79, 85.
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    While Crandall's agreement stated the fee was nonrefundable because the work
    had been performed, he now argues the fee included the risk of a three-year period of
    work yet to be performed. Granted, Crandall argues the fee was in part a retainer for
    those future services. But his testimony on this point was confusing, if not contradictory.
    And the same is true of the written fee agreement. For example, the agreement is
    internally inconsistent because it at times refers to a flat fee and at other times uses the
    term "retainer." The agreement also states that Crandall earned the fee at the time B.A.
    and V.A. made the payment, even though Crandall would perform some services over a
    three-year period. The distinction makes an important difference in determining how an
    attorney handles the fee. See Annotated Model Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 1.5,
    pp. 89-90 (noting that a retainer is earned in full when paid, but an advance or flat fee
    may require the funds be deposited into a trust account until earned).
    Moreover, Crandall presented no evidence establishing that the amount was a
    reasonable fee for a three-year retainer. He provided no information about how much
    follow up typically happens during the three-year period. Fee structures based on
    something other than billable hours can be reasonable. But we determine this fee is
    unreasonable when we take into account: (1) the lack of evidence explaining or
    justifying the fee calculation, (2) the conflicting explanations for the fee, (3) the lack of
    clarity in the agreement as to how the fee was determined, and (4) the evidence of what
    other attorneys in the community charge for the same service (and result), including
    answering follow-up questions and providing follow-up advice and information.
    In conclusion, clear and convincing evidence supports the hearing panel's
    conclusion that Crandall violated KRPC 1.5.
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    DA12304
    We now turn to the complaint against Crandall in DA12304. As a preliminary
    matter we discuss Crandall's argument that we should not give any weight to the district
    court's second homestead ruling.
    5. Crandall's arguments about the district court's homestead ruling do not offset the rule
    violations in DA12304.
    Crandall argues A.L. had no homestead right under the Kansas Constitution. The
    Disciplinary Administrator points out a district court judge decided this issue and then
    argues it is not subject to collateral attack. Crandall, however, argues no deference is
    required.
    We need not engage in an extensive discussion of those arguments because, at a
    minimum, the district court's ruling on A.L.'s motion to establish a homestead right
    highlights that different attorneys and a judge viewed the effect of some facts in a manner
    contrary to Crandall's opinion. The judge's ruling also suggests Crandall needed to revisit
    the evaluation of A.L.'s homestead right as the estate case progressed. At first, as
    Crandall argues, competing and disputed deeds controlled the disposition of the home.
    But Crandall negotiated with the Kansas Estate Recovery Program to invalidate both
    deeds. The district court set aside these deeds, which effectively brought the house into
    the estate. A.L. continued to live in the house, as he had for years, and he paid off the
    mortgage. Given those facts, an attorney informed A.L. that he might have a homestead
    right in the property. Yet another attorney, who replaced Crandall as A.L.'s counsel,
    apparently felt he could assert a good faith claim to a homestead right. And the attorney
    for the Kansas Estate Recovery Program testified before the hearing panel that he thought
    it sounded like A.L. established a homestead claim. He felt the Kansas Estate Recovery
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    Program would have an uphill battle to defeat the claim. Finally, a district court judge
    determined a homestead right did exist.
    These circumstances suggest the facts of the case as applied to the law must not
    have made the outcome as black and white as Crandall asserts. But Crandall appears to
    have been blind to the opposing view. In short, while an appeal of the homestead ruling
    might have established Crandall correctly interpreted the law, we approach the issue
    recognizing there was room among those learned in Kansas law and with knowledge of
    the facts of the case to disagree about whether A.L. had a valid homestead claim.
    Moreover, whether the judge was correct is not dispositive of this issue. Instead, we face
    the reality of what happened, and we view the panel's findings and conclusions of law
    through the lens that reasonable people disagreed with Crandall.
    6. Crandall violated KRPC 1.4(b), KRPC 1.7, and KRPC 8.4(d) by taking actions
    contrary to A.L.'s homestead right.
    Crandall makes a blanket argument about the alleged violations of KRPC 1.4 (b),
    KRPC 1.7(a), and KRPC 8.4(d) based on his position that A.L.'s homestead claim lacked
    any vailidity. Crandall argues the panel's conclusion "only ha[s] merit if A.L. actually had
    a homestead right" to assert, which A.L. did not based on three cases Crandall cited.
    Alternatively, he encourages us to find no violation even if he was mistaken in his
    interpretation of Kansas law. He argues he has a duty to refrain from asserting a frivolous
    claim under KRPC 3.1 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 343) (meritorious claims and contentions).
    He claims he has no duty to inform a client of a potentially frivolous claim, citing KRPC
    2.1 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 339) (exercise of independent professional judgment). He also
    asserts his duty of candor, KRPC 3.3(a)(2) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 344) (candor to tribunal),
    required him to disclose the contrary authority he relied on before the second district
    judge. Finally, he argues he was entitled to rely on the probate court's earlier order that
    there was no homestead right as law of the case. We consider each rule in turn.
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    6.1    Crandall violated KRPC 1.4.
    The hearing panel found Crandall violated KRPC 1.4(b) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 293)
    about a lawyer's obligation to "explain a matter to the extent reasonably necessary to
    permit the client to make informed decisions." Crandall violated KRPC 1.4(b) "when he
    (1) failed to advise A.L. of a hearing, (2) failed to advise A.L. as executor of the estate
    that A.L. may have a homestead claim and (3) failed to advise A.L. that [he had] agreed
    to an order which waived A.L.'s homestead exemption."
    The Disciplinary Administrator concedes the panel made no specific finding of
    fact that Crandall failed to advise A.L. of the hearing. In fact, the evidence showed
    Crandall told A.L. about the hearing but stated that A.L. needed not appear. As a result,
    we disregard the panel's conclusion about an alleged failure to advise A.L. of a hearing.
    The panel next faulted Crandall for failing to advise A.L. as executor of the estate
    that he may personally have a homestead claim against the estate. Crandall asserts he had
    no duty to inform A.L. of a potential homestead claim because any homestead claim
    belonged to A.L. personally, not in his capacity as the estate's personal representative.
    Because Crandall did not represent A.L. personally, he argues, he had no duty to inform
    A.L. in his capacity as personal representative. Crandall cites no law to support his
    argument.
    Crandall did limit the scope of his representation. The Disciplinary Administrator
    concedes the point but argues Crandall still violated KRPC 1.4 by failing to advise his
    client, as executor, of a potential homestead claim that could be raised against the sole
    asset of the estate and of the impact the claim might have on other aspects of handling the
    estate. This nondisclosure, according to the Disciplinary Administrator, violated KRPC
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    1.4 because it deprived A.L. of sufficient information he could use when engaging in
    settlement discussions. See KRPC 1.4, comment 1. The Administrator also cites an
    Oregon State Bar ethics opinion, Or. Ethics Op. No. 2005-62, for the proposition that
    Crandall's duty included advising "the personal representative about any conflicts of
    interest or other problems that the personal representative may face in the discharge of his
    or her duties."
    We agree with the Disciplinary Administrator's position and the Oregon opinion.
    Crandall certainly did not have to walk A.L. through his homestead claim because that
    was personal to A.L. and thus outside the scope of the agreed upon representation. But he
    should have raised the possibility as a potential conflict that A.L. needed to consider in
    his role of administering M.L.'s estate. But Crandall admits he never discussed the
    potential for a homestead claim with Anthony or A.L.
    Crandall also reasserts his position that A.L. had only a frivolous homestead
    claim. Crandall argues the first district judge specifically found no homestead exemption
    when he signed the order voiding the two separate deeds. But Sherber, the other attorney
    involved in that proceeding on behalf of the Kansas Estate Recovery Program, testified
    differently, indicating he added the language about the homestead exception based on
    similar orders he had drafted in the past. Sherber also stated the attorneys did not discuss
    any potential homestead claim with the judge before the judge signed the order voiding
    the deeds. The hearing panel found Sherber's testimony on this issue more credible.
    Beyond the credibility determination, it is again worth noting that at least one district
    judge and two or more Kansas lawyers disagreed with Crandall's assessment that A.L.'s
    homestead claim was frivolous.
    The third aspect of the rule violation, as found by the panel, related to Crandall
    agreeing to an order that stated the house was not a homestead. Crandall asserts his
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    actions were protected under KRPC 2.1 (independent professional judgment and candid
    advice) and 3.1 (meritorious claims and arguments). He explains he negotiated with the
    Kansas Estate Recovery Program to void the deeds, bringing the property back into
    M.L.'s estate. The only incentive the Program had to do so was to receive compensation
    for the Medicaid lien, and doing so would result in there being some property in the
    estate that might provide A.L. some assets as a beneficiary of M.L.'s estate.
    But the Disciplinary Administrator correctly points out that, even if we accept
    Crandall's explanation as true, Crandall still violated KRPC 1.4 because Crandall failed
    to inform A.L. of all relevant aspects of the settlement negotiations and terms of the
    proposed order, did not explain his rationale for waiving any homestead right, and did not
    obtain A.L.'s agreement to do so. Of the three issues the hearing panel identified
    regarding a violation of KRPC 1.4, this is the most serious and, even when considered
    alone, warrants discipline.
    6.2    Crandall violated KRPC 1.7.
    The hearing panel next concluded Crandall had a concurrent conflict of interest
    under KRPC 1.7. A concurrent conflict of interest arises when "there is a substantial risk
    that the representation of one or more clients will be materially limited by . . . a personal
    interest of the lawyer." KRPC 1.7(a)(2) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 302). A lawyer may
    continue the representation only under certain circumstances when there is a concurrent
    conflict of interest, including obtaining informed consent, confirmed in writing, from the
    client. KRPC 1.7(b).
    The hearing panel, Crandall, and the Disciplinary Administrator appear to agree
    that Crandall had no duty to A.L. individually. Instead, Crandall's duty was to A.L. as
    personal representative of the estate. Crandall points this court to the Kansas Bar
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    Association's Probate & Trust Administration After Death (7th ed. 2008) to support this
    position. The hearing panel went outside Kansas, to South Dakota and California, to find
    caselaw supporting the proposition that the client is the personal representative in the
    capacity as executor, not the estate. The Disciplinary Administrator cites a Court of
    Appeals case, In re Estate of Pritchard, 
    37 Kan. App. 2d 260
    , 
    154 P.3d 24
     (2007)
    (concluding in dicta that a certified public accountant appointed administrator and his
    lawyer owed no duty prior to July 2006 to the surviving spouse who was not the personal
    representative to inform her of any possible homestead rights or other statutory rights).
    Because no party disputes the issue, we will assume, but not decide, that the
    Disciplinary Administrator and Crandall have correctly stated Kansas law. And certainly
    this assumption is valid here because of the contract between Crandall and A.L., which
    limits Crandall's representation of A.L. to his role as personal representative.
    Although the hearing panel agreed that Crandall represented A.L. in his capacity
    as personal representative, its analysis later appears to have focused on A.L.'s claim as an
    individual. For example, the panel's analysis emphasized A.L.'s desire to remain in the
    home. The panel concluded that knowledge triggered a duty to refer A.L. to other counsel
    for that particular claim or for Crandall to personally advise A.L. to pursue a homestead
    claim. Perhaps most significantly for this analysis, the panel concluded: "Agreeing to the
    2011 order, which waived A.L.'s homestead claim without A.L.'s authority, was in direct
    conflict [with] his client." The panel here appears to have found a conflict based on A.L.'s
    personal right to a homestead claim rather than focusing its analysis on what duty
    Crandall owed A.L. as personal representative. The Disciplinary Administrator rightly
    concedes that the panel may have erred when it held Crandall owed a legal duty to A.L.
    in his individual capacity.
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    Although the Disciplinary Administrator concedes the panel may have erred, the
    Administrator argues Crandall still owed a duty to A.L. individually, at least to advise
    A.L. of a potential conflict between his personal interest and his role as personal
    representative, after Crandall became aware A.L. wished to remain in the home. Prudent
    counsel in this circumstance would have advised A.L. of the potential conflict and
    complied with KRPC 1.7. In support of this view, the Disciplinary Administrator cites a
    South Carolina ethics advisory opinion that considered an attorney's duty to inform a
    surviving spouse of his or her right to claim an elective share. S.C. Bar Ethics Advisory
    Committee Op. No. 93-34 (1993), available at https://www.scbar.org/lawyers/legal-
    resources-info/ethics-advisory-opinions/eao/ethics-advisory-opinion-93-34/ (last visited
    ______________ 2018). The South Carolina opinion emphasized that where the
    interested beneficiary (there, the surviving spouse, here, A.L.) is also the personal
    representative, "the attorney is duty bound to inform the parties of the potential for
    conflict, and to comply with all relevant provisions of Rules 1.7 and 1.9."
    We agree with the South Carolina approach. If a potential conflict was readily
    apparent, as it was here, Crandall should have advised A.L. of the potential for conflict in
    A.L.'s competing roles as personal representative and beneficiary. Crandall should have
    protected the client and himself by disclosing the possibility to A.L. and encouraging
    A.L. to consult another lawyer if he had any questions about his personal interest as a
    beneficiary of his mother's estate.
    Crandall's personal interest in the case hampered his ability to identify and protect
    his client from this conflict. See KRPC 1.7(a)(2). Crandall's own testimony revealed he
    thought the sale of the house was the only path to having his fee paid. In fact, he delayed
    the filing of his motion to withdraw because he did not think he was likely to get paid if
    he withdrew. And any hope of payment out of estate assets would be foreclosed if A.L.
    successfully asserted a homestead claim. Crandall's personal interest in being paid out of
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    the proceeds appears to have impeded his professional judgment. It is not clear whether
    Crandall affirmatively hid the issue or whether his own interest affected his ability to
    fully advise A.L. Nonetheless, he violated KRPC 1.7 because he allowed his personal
    interest in being paid out of estate assets to interfere with A.L.'s representation.
    6.3    Crandall Violated KRPC 8.4(d).
    Under KRPC 8.4(d) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 381), it is professional misconduct for a
    lawyer to "engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice." The
    panel found two instances of prejudicial conduct: (1) his inaction in over seven years and
    five months of representing the estate, resulting in the court dismissing the case, and (2)
    his filing of an opposition to A.L.'s petition for determination of homestead.
    The Disciplinary Administrator correctly points out Crandall asserts no new law or
    argument here. Instead, he refers the court to his earlier argument that KRPC 2.1,
    KRPC 3.1, KRPC 3.3(a)(2), and the Kansas Probate Code support his position. The
    Disciplinary Administrator encourages this court to conclude the panel's conclusion on
    the violation of KRPC 8.4(d) is supported by clear and convincing evidence.
    The first basis relied on by the panel—inaction—is supported by our precedent.
    Recently, in In re Sullivan, 
    308 Kan. 456
    , 469, 473, 
    420 P.3d 1001
     (2018), we found
    clear and convincing evidence establishing a violation of 8.4(d) when a lawyer repeatedly
    ignored court orders in a pending case and when the lawyer's criminal conduct interfered
    with and caused delays in other pending cases. In In re Hult, 
    307 Kan. 479
    , 493, 498,
    
    410 P.3d 879
     (2018), we concluded clear and convincing evidence establishing the
    respondent failed to file an answer, respond to a motion for default judgment, appear in
    court, and provide information required by a subpoena in a malpractice case established a
    violation of KRPC 8.4(d). And in In re Harrington, 305 Kan. at 651, 661, we agreed with
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    a panel's determination that a respondent violated KRPC 8.4(d) by failing to obtain
    statutorily required court approval before paying himself fees in an estate case.
    The second basis supporting the panel's conclusion—Crandall's opposition to the
    homestead claim—also finds support in our caselaw that holds actions creating a conflict
    of interest amount to a KRPC 8.4(d) violation. In re Odo, 
    304 Kan. 844
    , 
    375 P.3d 320
    (2016), supports that position. There, we found clear and convincing evidence supported
    the panel's conclusion that a KRPC 8.4(d) violation occurred based on a series of steps
    taken adverse to the lawyer's former client, including appearing on his own behalf
    adversely to a former client relating to his attorney fees and expenses. 304 Kan. at 849,
    853, 857. Although the case involved a former client and other actions adverse to the
    client, at least one of the factual circumstances supporting the violation of KRPC 8.4(d)
    included the attorney's attempt to secure his attorney fees and expenses.
    In short, clear and convincing evidence supports the panel's conclusion that
    Crandall's conflict of interest motivated his inaction and later his opposition to A.L.'s
    claim. As a result, Crandall violated KRPC 8.4(d).
    7. Crandall violated KRPC 1.3 by failing to diligently and promptly represent the
    executor of the estate.
    KRPC 1.3 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 292) requires a lawyer act "with reasonable
    diligence and promptness in representing a client." KRPC 1.3, comment 2 (2018 Kan. S.
    Ct. R. 292) explains,
    "Perhaps no professional shortcoming is more widely resented than
    procrastination. A client's interests often can be adversely affected by the passage of time
    or the change of conditions; in extreme instances, as when a lawyer overlooks a statute of
    limitations, the client's legal position may be destroyed. Even when the client's interests
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    are not affected in substance, however, unreasonable delay can cause a client needless
    anxiety and undermine confidence in the lawyer's trustworthiness."
    The hearing panel concluded Crandall violated KRPC 1.3 by failing "to diligently
    and promptly represent the executors of the estate of M.L. The estate was pending for
    more than seven years. Much of that delay was attributable to the respondent's lack of
    diligence."
    Crandall does not appear to dispute that failing to diligently and promptly
    represent the executors of the estate can constitute a KRPC 1.3 violation. And with good
    reason. In In re Coggs, 
    270 Kan. 381
    , 392, 
    14 P.3d 1123
     (2000), we found a KRPC 1.3
    violation when a lawyer failed to promptly close an estate. There, evidence showed a
    lawyer took only one step toward closing the estate—getting his client appointed
    administrator—during three years of representing a client and no other person's conduct
    prevented timely disposition or relieved the lawyer of his responsibility to act with
    reasonable diligence and promptness. And in In re Jones, 
    287 Kan. 112
    , 
    193 P.3d 893
    (2008), we found a KRPC 1.3 violation arising out of Michael Jones' representation of an
    estate. Michael recommended his brother Stephen, also a lawyer, serve as administrator.
    Stephen liquidated assets, paid creditors, paid himself, then placed the net proceeds in a
    noninterest bearing account. For about seven years, Stephen failed to distribute proceeds
    to the heirs and Michael failed to take any action to cause Stephen to promptly distribute
    the proceeds. Under these circumstances, we concluded Michael violated KRPC 1.3. 287
    Kan. at 114-15, 118; see also In re Jones, 
    286 Kan. 544
    , 
    186 P.3d 746
     (2008).
    Crandall argues there was no evidence "demonstrating that the length of this case
    was due to Respondent's lack of diligence." He claims the evidence instead points to
    other sources of the delay, including the death of the estate's first personal representative,
    difficulty selling the house, A.L. intentionally delaying and avoiding Crandall, difficulty
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    communicating with the attorney for the Kansas Estate Recovery Program, and efforts to
    negotiate with the sisters about the deeds and will contest. One panel member, in a
    concurring and dissenting opinion, concluded at least some communication issues were
    attributable to A.L. Although the panel member does not specifically link the
    communication issues to the KRPC 1.3 violation, it seems a fair inference to find the
    client-communication issues contributed to the delay.
    That said, the panel's conclusion that much of the delay is attributable to Crandall
    is supported by clear and convincing evidence. The estate was open for more than seven
    years with little court activity. A review of Crandall's bills show long periods with little
    or no activity in the case. Crandall filed the Petition for Probate of Will and Issuance of
    Letters Testamentary on behalf of Anthony on September 27, 2007. Crandall's motion to
    withdraw was granted on January 20, 2015. Crandall was involved in the case for around
    90 months. He billed in only 37 of those. That means there is no billing activity in 53
    months, including: (1) a period of eight months with no billing in 2008, (2) only one
    month with any billing activity during the entirety of 2010, and (3) again only one month
    with any billing activity during the entirety of 2014. Crandall's own bills belie his effort
    to shift blame to others. The bills show he did absolutely nothing related to the estate for
    half the time he had the case. We note there is some conflict between Crandall's bills and
    his "Activity Log" that he provided as an exhibit. The Activity Log shows eight
    additional months of "activity." In seven of those months we find no corresponding
    billing entry. And in the eighth, Crandall billed A.L. for a fee incurred but entered no
    time. But even if we credit Crandall the additional months listed in the activity log, he
    worked 45 out of 90 months in which he held the file. The panel's conclusion that much
    of the delay is attributable to Crandall's inaction is supported by clear and convincing
    evidence.
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    8. Crandall violated KRPC 1.1 and KRPC 8.4(d) by failing to seek an extension of time.
    KRPC 1.1 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 289) requires lawyers provide clients competent
    representation, which it explains "requires the legal knowledge, skill, thoroughness, and
    preparation reasonably necessary for the representation." The hearing panel concluded
    Crandall violated this rule by failing to prepare properly for representing the executors in
    M.L.'s estate and failing to seek a statutorily required extension of time. Under KRPC
    8.4(d) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 381), it is professional misconduct for a lawyer to "engage in
    conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice."
    We previously considered whether an attorney's failure to comply with statutory
    probate procedures resulted in KRPC violations. See In re Alig, 
    285 Kan. 117
    , 
    169 P.3d 690
     (2007); see also State v. Johnson, 
    219 Kan. 160
    , 163-64, 
    546 P.2d 1320
     (1976)
    (finding violation of prior ethics rules based on attorney's failure to file inventory and
    appraisal within time required by Kansas Probate Code). In Alig, we adopted the panel's
    conclusions that the attorney violated KRPC 1.1 and 8.4(d). 285 Kan. at 123. Alig's lack
    of competence in violation of KRPC 1.1 was established by his failure "to provide
    sufficient direction to the administrator or oversight of the administrator's actions as
    administrator and when he failed to seek review and approval of the attorney fees paid
    from the estate account" as required by statute. 285 Kan. at 120-21. We also adopted the
    panel's conclusion that Alig violated KRPC 8.4(d) by seeking and obtaining "payment for
    attorney fees from the administrator of the estate without the court's review and approval.
    Because of Respondent's actions, the court had to conduct a hearing on this matter." 285
    Kan. at 121.
    Crandall concedes he failed to request an extension of time required under K.S.A.
    59-1501 because he forgot the statutory requirement. He simply asks us to find his failure
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    was not a rule violation. But Alig and clear and convincing evidence support the panel's
    conclusion Crandall violated KRPC 1.1 and 8.4(d).
    9. Crandall violated KRPC 1.5 by charging an unreasonable fee when he charged
    $16,388.32 for an estate that significantly decreased in value during the pendency of
    the probate case.
    Although KRPC 1.5 identifies eight factors to consider in determining
    reasonableness, the main contention appears to be whether it was appropriate for the
    panel to consider the amount charged compared to the value of the estate. It does not
    appear Kansas cases have previously discussed or adopted this approach to considering
    whether a fee charged is unreasonable.
    We also note that in this instance we have a district court determination that the
    fee was unreasonable, applying the eight-factor test set out in KRPC 1.5. We are mindful
    that the standard for determining reasonableness varies somewhat depending on the
    circumstances in which it is raised: "A lawyer's fee shall be reasonable but a court
    determination that a fee is not reasonable shall not be presumptive evidence of a violation
    that requires discipline of the attorney." KRPC 1.5(c) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 294).
    With these considerations in mind, we consider whether Crandall's fee was
    unreasonable.
    9.1      Time and labor required, novelty and difficulty, and skill required
    The hearing panel concluded the "estate should not have required much time and
    labor." Crandall should have directed A.L. to have the only asset, the property, appraised
    early on, addressed the deed dispute, objectively reviewed the homestead issue, and
    negotiated the Medicaid lien. No advanced legal skill was required.
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    Crandall disputes that conclusion, arguing the "issues surrounding the homestead
    issue in this matter were sufficiently complex that they escaped the understanding of [the
    second district judge], the Disciplinary Administrator, and the Panel." He also disputes
    the panel's conclusion the case should not have required much time or labor. Crandall
    points to the invoices he presented as evidence of the time spent. And while those
    invoices verify the time billed, they are not beyond criticism.
    Crandall's staff billed for clerical duties, such as mailing the contract and fee
    schedule to A.L. While necessary steps, these are not the type of legal work that warrants
    charging the client. See Annotated Model Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 1.5, p. 80
    ("Work done for the lawyer's own benefit may not be billed to the client."); see also
    Harris Trust & Sav. v. Am. Nat. Bank, 
    230 Ill. App. 3d 591
    , 599, 
    594 N.E.2d 1308
     (1992)
    (holding general overhead expenses "are incorporated into the hourly attorney fee
    charged to the client, and accordingly, cannot be separately itemized and charged as costs
    in an action for attorney fees"); cf. Scimeca, 265 Kan. at 751 (noting the hearing panel
    concluded unethical billing practices included charging for secretarial time, but
    ultimately not ruling on that particular issue).
    Especially troubling is the time Crandall charged for work necessitated by his own
    delays in pursuing the probate action. For example, the court asked for briefing on the
    issue of jurisdiction since A.L.'s petition for probate came more than six months after
    M.L. died. Crandall should not have billed this time to the client. See Annotated Model
    Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 1.5, pp. 79-81. And around half the work Crandall
    or his firm performed on this case appears motivated by Crandall's desire to bring the
    house, the estate's sole asset, back into the estate and negotiate with the Kansas Estate
    Recovery Program to allow sufficient funds to remain in the estate to pay Crandall's fees.
    This is most evident in a bill from June 2012 totaling $8,148.76. A review of the entries
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    on the bill shows most relate to Crandall's efforts to record the second deed, which
    conveyed the property to the trust rather than the sisters; to negotiate a settlement; and to
    prepare for the hearing on the Kansas Estate Recovery Program's petition to set aside the
    deeds. Throughout his representation he urged A.L. to sell the property. He also charged
    for his motion to withdraw and application for attorney fees in 2009. In summary,
    Crandall billed for items related to securing action for his personal benefit and not his
    clients'.
    Crandall also complains that there was no evidence presented about the time he
    should have spent on the matter. But there was some evidence of this—the district court's
    order on petition for allowance of attorney fees and expenses was before the panel. While
    KRPC 1.5(c) makes it clear that a court's determination that a fee is not reasonable is not
    presumptive evidence of an ethical violation, it does not preclude using the determination
    in considering how much time and labor were required. And in other contexts, we have
    commented:
    "[A] district court is considered an expert on the issue of attorney fees. Link, Inc. [ v. City
    of Hays], 268 Kan. [372,] 382[, 
    997 P.2d 697
     (2000)]. It 'may apply its own knowledge
    and professional experience in determining the value of services rendered. [Citation
    omitted.]' Service v. Pyramid Life Ins. Co., 
    201 Kan. 196
    , 221-22, 
    440 P.2d 944
    (1968). Moreover, '[a]ppellate courts are also experts on the reasonableness of attorney
    fees. However, we do not substitute our judgment for that of the district court on the
    amount of the fee unless "in the interest of justice" we disagree with the district court.
    [Citations omitted].' Link, Inc., 
    268 Kan. at 383
    ." Johnson v. Westhoff Sand Co., 
    281 Kan. 930
    , 940, 
    135 P.3d 1127
     (2006).
    As a result, while the district judge's ruling is not dispositive, we consider his
    determination as it weighs on the factors listed in KRPC 1.5(a): What time and labor was
    required, what is the novelty and difficulty of the questions involved, and what skills are
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    required to perform the legal service properly? We conclude, based on the district judge's
    reduction in Crandall's billed time, that the time and labor required, novelty, and
    difficulty of the questions involved are not commensurate with Crandall's billing. We
    therefore determine that the hearing panel's conclusion on this factor is supported by clear
    and convincing evidence based on Crandall's billing records and the judge's order on the
    petition for allowance of attorney fees and expenses.
    9.2.   Preclude other employment
    The panel concluded the representation would not have precluded other
    employment given the small size of the estate and the clarity of the issues. Crandall does
    not argue against this conclusion.
    9.3    Fee customarily charged
    The panel acknowledged the hourly fees charged by Crandall over the course of
    this litigation (ranging from $150 to $250 per hour) are customary for the Kansas City
    area. The panel concluded, however, that charging $16,388.32 is not customary for an
    estate valued at $35,000.
    Crandall argues the second conclusion is not relevant. He would instead limit the
    panel and our consideration to the reasonableness of his hourly fee and the lack of any
    evidence suggesting he did not spend the time he reported in his timesheets. Crandall also
    argues limiting the fee based on the size of the estate is contrary to public policy because
    it would lead attorneys to withdraw from representation when their fees get too high
    relative to the value of the estates. He asks the court to consider comment 3 to KRPC 1.5,
    which he selectively quotes as stating "'a lawyer should not enter into an agreement
    whereby services are to be provided only up to a stated amount.'"
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    The full clause is not as limited as Crandall indicates: "[A] lawyer should not
    enter into an agreement whereby services are to be provided only up to a stated
    amount when it is foreseeable that more extensive services probably will be required,
    unless the situation is adequately explained to the client." KRPC 1.5, comment 3 (2018
    Kan. S. Ct. R. 296). The full comment highlights the problem with Crandall's handling of
    the representation: Once the fees in a case exceed a foreseeable amount, there should be
    a conversation with the client about the fees, the goals of the litigation, and whether those
    goals can be reasonably achieved. It does not appear any conversation like this happened
    here.
    The Disciplinary Administrator reminds us that we cannot decide the
    reasonableness of a fee based on any single factor. See Johnson, 
    281 Kan. 930
    , Syl. ¶ 6.
    The Disciplinary Administrator also points us to other jurisdictions that have determined
    the amount of the fee compared to the size of the estate is an appropriate consideration,
    citing In re Estate of Johnson, 
    119 P.3d 425
    , 433-34 (Alaska 2005).
    The Estate of Johnson court pointed to Annot., 
    58 A.L.R.3d 317
    , § 2. See 119
    P.3d at 433 n.27. That annotation commented: "[T]he amount involved is a factor
    accorded greater significance in fixing fees for attorneys involved in rendering services
    with respect to decedents' estates, than in the case of many other types of legal services."
    The annotation also notes fees may be larger if an attorney's efforts "result in a substantial
    augmentation of the estate, a distinction being made between a fee for an estate whose
    assets are routinely included and an estate where assets must be produced or obtained."
    Time, on the other hand, in the estate context may be accorded less significance than in
    other areas of law. Annot., 
    58 A.L.R.3d 317
    , § 2.
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    The caselaw cited in the annotation supports the panel's comparison of the fee with
    the size of the estate. Even so, the panel should have considered that the house may have
    remained outside the estate if Crandall had not cooperated with the Kansas Estate
    Recovery Program to void the deeds.
    9.4    The amount involved and the results obtained
    The panel concluded the estate was small and Crandall accomplished little for the
    estate in the seven-plus years of his representation. The panel also noted the value of the
    estate diminished over the course of Crandall's representation and Crandall tried to
    charge fees more than one-half the estate's total value.
    Crandall responds that the amount involved is zero because he was never paid. He
    alternatively points to the fact that the estate had no assets but would have been net
    positive had his settlement with the Kansas Estate Recovery Program been allowed to
    proceed. He blames the second district judge for thwarting his plan by allowing the
    homestead claim.
    Even so, the estate's value increased from $0 to $35,000 during the course of
    Crandall's representation. But that amount could have been greater had Crandall acted
    more promptly, before the value of the real property at issue diminished to half what it
    had been. We therefore conclude the panel's findings on this point are supported by clear
    and convincing evidence.
    9.5    Time limitations imposed by client or circumstance
    The panel here concluded the clients imposed no time limitation. The estate thus
    languished for more than seven years while Crandall failed to meet statutory deadlines.
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    Crandall argues clear and convincing evidence does not support the panel's
    conclusion. He says the evidence established one of the clients and circumstances
    prolonged the estate. He cites one of the concurring and dissenting opinions, which
    placed some responsibility for any delay on A.L. refusing to communicate when he
    received bills he could not pay and refusing to discuss the homestead issue with Crandall
    after the relationship deteriorated.
    The Disciplinary Administrator responds the panel did consider the client's delay
    in the first factor. The Disciplinary Administrator argues this factor is intended to
    consider extra work or a premium charged to handle something in a limited time.
    We agree with the Disciplinary Administrator's proposed reading because it
    distinguishes between subsections (a)(5) and (a)(1). But even if we were to agree with
    Crandall's reading, clear and convincing evidence supports the panel majority's
    conclusion. The evidence Crandall cites concerns A.L.'s testimony that he stopped
    reading Crandall's e-mails because they were bills. But A.L. also testified he answered
    the phone every time Crandall called. The majority could have credited A.L.'s testimony
    and concluded Crandall could have overcome any circumstances using the form of
    communication to which A.L. consistently responded.
    9.6     Nature and length of relationship with client
    Neither Crandall nor the Disciplinary Administrator makes any argument against
    the hearing panel's conclusions that the relationships were limited to the estate
    proceedings.
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    9.7    Crandall's experience, reputation, and ability
    Neither Crandall nor the Disciplinary Administrator addresses the hearing panel's
    conclusion that the only evidence of Crandall's experience, reputation, or ability came
    from Crandall's testimony.
    9.8    Fixed or contingent fee
    Neither Crandall nor the Disciplinary Administrator contradicts the hearing panel's
    conclusion that the fee agreement was calculated by the hour.
    In summary, we conclude clear and convincing evidence supports the hearing
    panel's conclusion that Crandall violated KRPC 1.5 by charging an unreasonable fee.
    While Crandall's fee is disproportionate to the size of the estate, the most troubling points
    are that (1) Crandall failed to discuss the growing amount of the attorney fee with his
    client and (2) he charged for fees he should not have.
    CONCLUSION REGARDING VIOLATIONS OF THE KRPC
    We unanimously determine that the fees in two cases were unreasonable in
    violation of KRPC 1.5(a) and that Crandall violated KRPC 1.1 (competence), 1.3
    (diligence), 1.4(b) (communication), 1.7(a) (concurrent conflict of interest), and 8.4(d)
    (conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice).
    STANDARDS FOR IMPOSING LAWYER SANCTIONS
    In addressing the standards for imposing lawyer sanctions, the hearing panel
    reported:
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    "109. In making this recommendation for discipline, the hearing panel considered
    the factors outlined by the American Bar Association in its Standards for Imposing
    Lawyer Sanctions (hereinafter 'Standards'). Pursuant to Standard 3, the factors to be
    considered are the duty violated, the lawyer's mental state, the potential or actual injury
    caused by the lawyer's misconduct, and the existence of aggravating or mitigating factors.
    "110. Duty Violated. The respondent violated his duty to his clients to provide
    competent and diligent representation and adequate communication. Additionally, the
    respondent violated his duty to his clients to avoid conflicts of interest. The respondent
    violated his duty to his clients to charge reasonable fees. Finally, the respondent violated
    his duty to the legal system and the legal profession to expedite litigation.
    "111. Mental State. The respondent knowingly violated his duties.
    "112. Injury. As a result of the respondent's misconduct, the respondent caused
    actual and potential injury to his clients. Further, by the time the estate was closed, the
    value of the estate had greatly diminished.
    "113. Aggravating and Mitigating Factors. Aggravating circumstances are any
    considerations or factors that may justify an increase in the degree of discipline to be
    imposed. In reaching its recommendation for discipline, the hearing panel, in this case,
    found the following aggravating factors present:
    "a. Selfish Motive. Much of the respondent's misconduct involved a selfish
    motive—he did not explain the homestead exemption to A.L. to further his ability to
    collect his fee, he encouraged A.L. to sell his home to further his ability to collect his fee,
    he took no action in M.L.'s estate case so that he might yet be able to collect his fee, etc.
    The hearing panel concludes that the respondent was motivated by selfishness.
    "b. Multiple Offenses. The respondent committed multiple rule violations. The
    respondent violated KRPC 1.1, KRPC 1.3, KRPC 1.4(b), KRPC 1.5(a), KRPC 1.7(a), and
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    KRPC 8.4(d). Accordingly, the hearing panel concludes that the respondent committed
    multiple offenses.
    "c. Refusal to Acknowledge Wrongful Nature of Conduct. The respondent
    refused to acknowledge that his conduct violated any of the rules of professional conduct.
    Accordingly, the hearing panel concludes that the respondent refused to acknowledge the
    wrongful nature of his conduct.
    "d. Vulnerability of Victim. A.L., B.A., and V.A. were vulnerable to the
    respondent's misconduct.
    "e. Substantial Experience in the Practice of Law. The Kansas Supreme Court
    admitted the respondent to practice law in the State of Kansas in 1999. While the
    respondent did not have substantial experience in the practice of law at the time the
    misconduct began, a majority of the hearing panel concludes that he has substantial
    experience in the practice of law now.
    "f. Nonrefundable Fee. As an additional aggravating consideration, in the fee
    agreements entered by Anthony L. and A.L., the respondent offered a fee agreement
    which included an advanced nonrefundable fee to be earned by future services. At the
    hearing on this matter, the respondent asserted that it was 'not relevant because it was not
    selected.' However, the fact remains that the respondent proposed a nonrefundable fee.
    Nonrefundable fees are strictly prohibited by the Kansas Supreme Court. See In re
    Scimeca, 
    265 Kan. 742
    , 759-60, 
    962 P.2d 1080
     (1998). The respondent needs to
    understand that he may not propose a nonrefundable fee. The fact that the respondent
    proposed a nonrefundable fee concerns the hearing panel.
    "g. Attitude and Tone. It is difficult to discern from a cold record how witnesses
    appear in person. The respondent's attitude and tone is worth noting as something he
    should consider going forward. The respondent appeared to be angry and condescending
    throughout the disciplinary proceeding. The respondent was not cooperative in answering
    questions. He treated Mr. Hazlett with open hostility. The respondent's facial expressions
    and demeanor throughout the proceedings reflect negatively on his ability to consider his
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    actions with a reasonable measure. Finally, the words he chose to use in the documents as
    well as in his testimony regarding [the second district judge] also reflect his poor attitude
    and his unprofessional approach when confronted with an adverse opinion.
    "114. Mitigating circumstances are any considerations or factors that may justify
    a reduction in the degree of discipline to be imposed. In reaching its recommendation for
    discipline, the hearing panel, in this case, found the following mitigating circumstances
    present:
    "a. Absence of a Prior Disciplinary Record. The respondent has not previously
    been disciplined.
    "b. Absence of a Dishonest Motive. The respondent's misconduct does not appear
    to have been motivated by dishonesty.
    "115. In addition to the above-cited factors, the hearing panel has thoroughly
    examined and considered the following Standards:
    "'4.32 Suspension is generally appropriate when a lawyer knows of a
    conflict of interest and does not fully disclose to a client the possible
    effect of that conflict, and causes injury or potential injury to a client.
    "'4.33 Reprimand is generally appropriate when a lawyer is negligent in
    determining whether the representation of a client may be materially
    affected by the lawyer's own interests, or whether the representation will
    adversely affect another client, and causes injury or potential injury to a
    client.
    "'4.42 Suspension is generally appropriate when:
    "'(a) a lawyer knowingly fails to perform services for a client and
    causes injury or potential injury to a client; or
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    "'(b) a lawyer engages in a pattern of neglect and causes injury or
    potential injury to a client.
    "'4.43 Reprimand is generally appropriate when a lawyer is negligent and
    does not act with reasonable diligence in representing a client, and causes
    injury or potential injury to a client.
    "'7.2 Suspension is generally appropriate when a lawyer knowingly
    engages in conduct that is a violation of a duty owed as a professional,
    and causes injury or potential injury to a client, the public, or the legal
    system.
    "'7.3 Reprimand is generally appropriate when a lawyer negligently
    engages in conduct that is a violation of a duty owed as a professional,
    and causes injury or potential injury to a client, the public, or the legal
    system.'"
    Crandall filed exceptions to these paragraphs from the hearing panel's final report
    but makes no specific argument against the hearing panel's conclusions in this section. As
    a reminder, our standard of review deviates here from the clear and convincing evidence
    standard. All that is required here is some evidence to be presented for the panel to weigh
    in arriving at an appropriate discipline. See Biscanin, 305 Kan. at 1220; Hall, 304 Kan. at
    1014. And some evidence supports all the panel's conclusion.
    Some considerations weigh heavily here. First and foremost, Crandall refuses to
    acknowledge the wrongful nature of any of his conduct. Merely finding he refused to
    acknowledge any wrongful conduct somewhat understates what he did here—Crandall
    does not just refuse to acknowledge he did anything wrong; he aggressively attacks
    anyone, including a district court judge, who rules against him. This is related to the
    panel's findings on attitude and tone. The hearing panel was concerned it may be
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    "difficult to discern from a cold report how witnesses appear in person." But at least some
    of this disdain comes through the written record.
    In mitigation, the panel noted Crandall's lack of disciplinary record and absence of
    dishonest motive. The panel's conclusion that Crandall had a conflict of interest in his
    representation of A.L. arguably contradicts its conclusion that dishonesty did not
    motivate Crandall's misconduct. Crandall did not discuss any possible homestead right
    with A.L., which appears to have been in part motivated by his desire to receive payment
    out of the estate's asset. If not outright dishonesty, there was at least some intent to
    conceal relevant information from his client. Thus, we do not consider this factor to be
    among the mitigating circumstances, leaving only the hearing panel's finding that
    Crandall lacked a disciplinary history to consider in mitigation.
    A majority of the hearing panel recommended that Crandall's license to practice
    law be suspended for a period of six months. The third panelist recommended a one-year
    suspension. Before us, Crandall asked that we dismiss the two complaints.
    A majority of the court determines that a six-month suspension from the practice
    of law is the appropriate discipline. A minority would impose a lesser sanction.
    CONCLUSION AND DISCIPLINE
    IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that DAVID P. CRANDALL be and he is hereby
    disciplined by suspension from the practice of law in Kansas for a period of six months
    effective upon the filing of this decision, in accordance with Supreme Court Rule
    203(a)(2) (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 234).
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    IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the respondent comply with Supreme Court Rule 218
    (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 262).
    IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the respondent undergo a reinstatement hearing
    pursuant to Kansas Supreme Court Rule 219 (2018 Kan. S. Ct. R. 264) before he may be
    reinstated.
    IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the costs of this action be assessed to the respondent
    and that this order be published in the official Kansas Reports.
    BILES, J., not participating.
    KEVIN BERENS, District Judge, assigned.1
    1
    REPORTER'S NOTE: District Judge Berens was appointed to hear case No. 117,910
    vice Justice Biles under the authority vested in the Supreme Court by art. 3, § 6(f) of the
    Kansas Constitution.
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