Frankfort Regional Medical Center v. Hon Phillip J. Shepherd Judge, Franklin Circuit Court ( 2016 )


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    2015-SC-000438-MR
    FRANKFORT REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER                                       APPELLANT
    ON APPEAL FROM COURT OF APPEALS
    V.                     CASE NO. 2015-CA-000632-MR
    FRANKLIN CIRCUIT COURT NO. 12-CI-00052
    HONORABLE PHILLIP J. SHEPHERD,
    JUDGE, FRANKLIN CIRCUIT COURT                                           APPELLANT
    AND
    MARK WAINWRIGHT, M.D.; STEPHEN
    HALL, M.D.; AND WOMEN'S CARE OF
    THE BLUEGRASS, PLLC REAL PARTIES IN INTEREST
    MEMORANDUM OPINION OF THE COURT
    AFFIRMING
    In this case, the appellant hospital's risk manager took notes recording
    statements made by nurses and physicians during an investigation after a
    difficult birth resulted in injury to the baby. There is evidence that the
    interviews had both a business purpose and a litigation purpose, although
    there is no proof that the nurses and physicians were aware of either purpose
    when they made their statements. Some of the facts believed to be recorded in
    the notes could not be recalled by the witnesses when they were later deposed
    in the course of a malpractice action.
    At issue is whether those notes and the statements they contain are
    protected from discovery under the attorney-client privilege or the work-
    product doctrine. The trial court concluded that they were not. The Court of
    Appeals, upon a petition for a writ of prohibition, agreed and denied the
    requested writ. This Court affirms the Court of Appeals because neither the
    attorney-client privilege nor the work-product doctrine are applicable to the
    notes and statements under the evidence available at this point in the
    litigation.
    I. Background
    The underlying case involves a medical malpractice claim related to the
    delivery and birth of Braylee Roberts to Courtney Wilhoite at Franklin Regional
    Medical Center on May 4, 2011. The delivery did not go well, and the child
    suffered brain injury and was later diagnosed with cerebral palsy.
    Dr. Mark Wainwright was the obstetrician on call that day, but he was
    not present when the delivery first took a negative turn. His partner, Dr.
    Stephen Hall, was near the delivery room doing paperwork at that time. The
    problems with the delivery were arguably exacerbated by an issue with the fetal
    heart-rate monitor and by alleged miscommunication between nursing staff
    and Dr. Hall. As to the communication problem, nurses claimed that they
    asked Dr. Hall to assess Wilhoite because of concerns with the fetal heart-rate
    readings, but that he did not respond to those requests. It is not clear,
    however, whether the severity of the situation was fully explained to Dr. Hall.
    Regardless, after Dr. Hall failed to look in on Wilhoite, Dr. Wainwright was
    called in and he completed the delivery.
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    At some point after the delivery, the hospital's risk-management director,
    Pam Melton, interviewed the nursing staff and the physicians involved in the
    delivery. The factual circumstances surrounding these interviews, such as
    what was said during them, have not been fully developed at the trial court.
    What evidence we do have concerns when and why the interviews occurred,
    which is heavily disputed. There is no question, however, that the interviews
    resulted in a set of handwritten notes and a typed version of those notes
    (rendered in narrative form, with additional material apparently beyond the
    handwritten notes). We refer to this pair of documents collectively as the
    "notes" in this opinion.
    The physicians claim that Melton began her interviews immediately after
    the birth as part of the hospital's standard business procedures in generating a
    document titled Root Cause Analysis, which is submitted to the Joint
    Commission' as part of an accreditation process. The hospital, however, claims
    that Melton's interviews did not begin until she received correspondence from
    the hospital's counsel directing her to undertake the interviews, and that the
    interviews were conducted in anticipation of litigation.
    1  According to its website, the Joint Commission is "[a]n independent, not-for-
    profit organization ... [that] accredits and certifies nearly 21,000 health care
    organizations and programs in the United States." The Joint Commission, About the
    Joint Commission (last visited Jan. 7, 2016), at
    http: / /www.jointcommission.org/ about_us/ ab out_the _j oint_commission_main .aspx.
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    In January 2012, Wilhoite and the child's father filed a malpractice claim
    on behalf of their daughter against Drs. Wainwright and Hall, Women's Care of
    the Bluegrass, PLLC, 2 and Frankfort Regional Medical Center.
    During the ensuing discovery, the Root Cause Analysis was produced,
    and at least one of the nurses and Pam Melton were deposed. In her deposition,
    Melton, according to the hospital's brief, "discussed at length ... the interviews
    she conducted, her recollection of events, the Root Cause Analysis, and an
    alleged disagreement that occurred between Drs. Wainwright and Hall at the
    time of Roberts' birth." Before long, the hospital settled with the plaintiffs and
    the claim against it was dismissed, leaving only the plaintiffs' claim against the
    physicians.
    As discovery continued, the plaintiffs' counsel suggested that Dr. Hall's
    failure to respond to the nurses' requests for help had been because he had an
    argument or disagreement with Dr. Wainwright the day of the delivery. The
    physicians asked the plaintiffs' counsel to identify any witnesses to this
    disagreement. He apparently refused to do so but named a nurse who might
    have knowledge of it. She was re-deposed and claimed that she had not
    observed any disagreement but that she had heard a rumor of one having
    occurred.
    A short time later, Wilhoite's counsel advised the physicians' counsel
    that he was aware of two other nurses who would testify about the claimed
    2 The record is not clear, but Women's Care of the Bluegrass would appear to be
    the practice of Drs. Wainwright and Hall. Unless otherwise noted, references to "the
    physicians" as parties herein should be read to include Women's Care of the
    Bluegrass.
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    disagreement. The physicians' brief claims that the plaintiffs' counsel refused
    to identify these witnesses. Based on the e-mails included with the briefs,
    however, it is apparent that the nurses who were claimed to have knowledge of
    the dispute were identified explicitly. One of them was the one who had already
    been deposed and re-deposed about the alleged dispute. The other was a nurse
    named Bethany Abrams. Instead of the nurses' identity, it was the identity of
    the person who named the nurses that plaintiffs' counsel refused to produce.
    (He claimed that person's identity was "work product.")
    The hospital's counsel eventually revealed in an e-mail to the physicians'
    counsel that she (the hospital's counsel) was likely the source of the plaintiff's
    information. According to the hospital's counsel, the only nurse she was aware
    of who had knowledge of a supposed dispute was Abrams, though she was
    unaware of the specifics. She identified two other nurses, one of whom she
    claimed had no knowledge of the dispute and one of whom she claimed did not
    recall a disagreement between the physicians.
    The physicians became concerned that the supposed disagreement
    between them would become an issue at trial. On February 2, 2015, they
    served a subpoena duces tecum on the hospital seeking "any and all notes Pam
    Melton generated during interviews conducted for purposes of creating the root
    cause analysis of the events and circumstances surrounding the birth of
    Braylee Roberts." The hospital moved to quash the subpoena, claiming the
    notes were protected by both the attorney-client privilege and the work-product
    doctrine.
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    The trial court overruled the motion to quash. As to the work-product
    doctrine, the court concluded that the physicians had shown a substantial
    need for the notes and that they could not obtain the information elsewhere
    without undue hardship. As for the inability to obtain the information
    elsewhere, the court noted that the nurses had been deposed and none had
    testified about the alleged disagreement. The court also noted that the re-
    deposed nurse stated that she had not observed a dispute and had only heard
    about it from other staff, though she could not recall from whom. The court
    concluded "that given the amount of time that has passed, it is impossible for
    the [physicians] to obtain recollections from the nurses equivalent to those
    obtained and documented by Ms. Melton in her notes," and that the physicians
    "cannot obtain the information through further depositions." In reaching this
    conclusion, the court emphasized "the inability of the witnesses to recall in
    detail what happened the day Braylee [Roberts] was born," and also stated that
    the "notes are the most reliable source of information regarding what the
    nurses saw and reported."
    The court also concluded that the notes were not prepared in
    anticipation of litigation, as required by Duffy v. Wilson, 
    289 S.W.3d 555
    , 559
    (Ky. 2009), because Melton "was legally required to create these documents
    regardless of whether she was requested to do so by an attorney or whether she
    planned to give them to an attorney to obtain legal advice." This conclusion was
    based on the court's finding that the Root Cause Analysis was created in the
    regular course of business, as required by 902 KAR 20:016, § 3(3)(A)(5)-(6),
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    and that the "notes were generated for the purpose of completing the Root
    Cause Analysis."
    As to the attorney-client privilege, the trial court again found that Melton
    "was required by law to create these documents regardless of what any
    attorney requested or whether she planned to use them to obtain legal advice."
    The court also stated that it was "not convinced that Ms. Melton's notes ... were
    solely the product of an investigation she was instructed to undertake by
    counsel." The court emphasized that the hospital "had a legal duty to complete
    a Root Cause Analysis report" and that the notes "were used to create that
    report." The court also noted that there had been no evidence that counsel
    requested the interviews before they were undertaken, and that it was more
    likely that counsel became involved after they were done. The court concluded
    its order by stating: "Based on a review of the record, ... the notes of Ms.
    Melton were produced in the ordinary course of business, to facilitate the
    completion of the Root Cause Analysis report ...."
    The hospital filed a motion to reconsider along with a copy of a letter
    from the hospital's counsel, dated May 9, 2011 (five days after the birth),
    directing Melton to conduct an investigation of the birth and stating that the
    investigation would be protected by the work-product doctrine and the
    attorney-client privilege. Melton's own affidavit stated that although she did not
    recall the precise date she began her interviews, she did not do so until after
    receiving the letter.
    The trial court denied the motion to reconsider and ordered the hospital
    to produce the notes. The court specifically found "that the interviews
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    conducted by Ms. Melton were initiated prior to her receipt of the letter from
    counsel." The court noted that some of the interviews appear to have been
    dated after the letter from counsel was sent, but that the "record is silent as to
    the exact date of any of the interviews" and that it "is clear from Ms. Melton's
    deposition testimony that she began the interview process in the days
    immediately following the incident, on May 4, 2011."
    The court also pointed out that counsel's request for an investigation did
    not change the fact that the investigation had already been undertaken and
    was required by law (the administrative regulation). At best, the court
    concluded, the investigation took on a "dual purpose," but that was insufficient
    for the notes to fall under either the work-product doctrine or the attorney-
    client privilege. The court also noted that "it is most likely that all of these
    interviews would have been conducted in the same manner even if the letter
    from counsel had never been sent." The court then noted that the attorney-
    client privilege "is not designed to provide an ex post facto basis to cover-up
    highly relevant factual information that was developed by the hospital staff for
    its own internal review and quality control purposes, irrespective of potential
    litigation concerns," and reiterated that the "record establishes that Ms.
    Melton's internal investigation was initiated prior to the request of counsel."
    The hospital then sought a writ of prohibition against the trial court's
    order. The Court of Appeals agreed that the remedy of a writ was available
    because, if the hospital's privilege claim was correct, there was no adequate
    remedy by appeal and the breach of the privilege would be a miscarriage of
    justice. But the court nevertheless declined to issue the writ, concluding that
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    the hospital had failed to show that Melton's notes were privileged or otherwise
    protected. The court agreed with the circuit court that Melton used her notes to
    generate the Root Cause Analysis and that Kentucky's administrative
    regulations required hospitals to generate incident reports and other
    documents. Based on these two conclusions, the court also agreed that the
    notes were not used solely for obtaining legal advice. Thus, the court
    concluded, the notes were not protected by the attorney-client privilege or the
    work-product doctrine.
    The hospital now appeals to this Court as a matter of right. See CR
    76.36(7)(a) ("An appeal may be taken to the Supreme Court as a matter of right
    from a judgment or final order in any proceeding originating in the Court of
    Appeals."); Ky. Const. § 115 ("In all cases, civil and criminal, there shall be
    allowed as a matter of right at least one appeal to another court ...."). It has not
    asked this Court for intermediate relief under Civil Rule 76.36(4).
    II. Analysis
    Generally speaking, cases in which a writ of prohibition or mandamus is
    sought proceed in two steps. Collins v. Braden, 
    384 S.W.3d 154
    , 158 (Ky.
    2012). First, the court must look at whether such an extraordinary remedy is
    even available, before deciding the merits of the claimed legal error. 
    Id. Second, if
    the court finds that the remedy is available, it may then look at the merits of
    the claimed error. 
    Id. If the
    trial court has erred or is about to err, the court
    may issue the writ.
    A. Remedy by way of a writ is available.
    The first question "is whether the hospital has established that remedy
    by way of an extraordinary writ is even available to it." 
    Id. Under this
    approach,
    there are essentially "two classes of writs, one addressing claims that the lower
    court is proceeding without subject matter jurisdiction and one addressing
    claims of mere legal error." 
    Id. at 158.
    The hospital has not made a claim under
    the first class, and thus we address only the second.
    Under the second class, a writ may be granted—that is, the remedy is
    available—if "there exists no adequate remedy by appeal or otherwise and great
    injustice and irreparable injury will result if the petition is not granted."
    Hoskins v. Maricle, 
    150 S.W.3d 1
    , 10 (Ky. 2004). Of the two prerequisites for
    this class of writ, the first is mandatory, and thus the hospital is required to
    prove that it has no adequate remedy by appeal. Marcum v. Scorsone, 
    457 S.W.3d 710
    , 716 (Ky. 2015). The second prerequisite, however, is more flexible.
    Though it usually requires proof of "something of a ruinous nature," it "may be
    put aside in 'certain special cases." Grange Mut. Ins. Co. v. Trude, 
    151 S.W.3d 803
    , 808 (Ky. 2004) (quoting Bender v. Eaton, 
    343 S.W.2d 799
    , 801 (Ky. 1961)).
    That limited sub-class of cases consists of those in which "a substantial
    miscarriage of justice will result if the lower court is proceeding erroneously,
    and correction of the error is necessary and appropriate in the interest of
    orderly judicial administration." 
    Id. (quoting Bender,
    343 S.W.3d at 801). This
    includes those in which a privilege will be breached. 
    Id. Indeed, this
    court has held that an alleged violation of a privilege satisfies
    both writ prerequisites—that "of no adequate remedy by appeal, 'because
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    privileged information cannot be recalled once it has been disclosed,' and the
    substitute requirement in 'special cases' that the administration of justice
    would suffer." 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 158
    . For that reason, "remedy by a writ of
    prohibition is available to a petitioner claiming the potential violation of a
    privilege." 
    Id. This obviously
    extends to the claimed attorney-client privilege. 
    Id. Though the
    work-product doctrine does not provide an absolute privilege, a
    breach of its protection has also been held to satisfy both elements of the
    special-cases writ test. O'Connell v. Cowan, 
    332 S.W.3d 34
    , 39 (Ky. 2010).
    But availability of the remedy is not the end of our inquiry. We must still
    look at whether the petitioner, here the hospital, is entitled to the writ, which
    requires an examination of the merits of the claim of legal error. Here, we must
    examine whether the hospital has established "that the lower court has
    improperly ordered a disclosure that would violate a privilege." 
    Id. B. Standard
    of Review
    Before examining the merits of the hospital's privilege claim, however, we
    first need to speak to a misunderstanding about the standard of review. As
    noted above, the trial court made several findings of fact about the timing and
    purpose of Pam Melton's interviews and the notes she took. Findings of fact are
    traditionally reviewed for clear error, meaning they are to be sustained so long
    as there is substantial evidence to support them.
    We noted in Collins v. Braden, however, that whether a "privilege applies
    is a mixed question of law and fact that is 'often reviewed de 
    novo.' 384 S.W.3d at 161
    (quoting Lexington Public Library v. Clark, 
    90 S.W.3d 53
    , 62 (Ky. 2002)).
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    From this, we reasoned that "rather than deferring to the Court of Appeals [on
    the question of privilege], ... this Court must independently examine whether
    the hospital has shown at this time that the privilege applies." 
    Id. The hospital
    has suggested that this would allow us to independently reach factual
    conclusions about the timing and purposes of the interviews different from
    those of the trial court. In other words, the hospital suggests, we would review
    the trial court's factual findings in this respect de novo. That is incorrect.
    Although the ultimate question of the existence of a privilege is reviewed
    de novo, that determination consists of, and can be broken down into,
    constituent parts—questions of fact, questions of law, and mixed questions of
    law and fact (i.e., application of the law to the facts)—with each having its own
    standard of review. See 
    Trude, 151 S.W.3d at 810
    (distinguishing between the
    various aspects of a decision). Any finding of fact by the trial court is entitled to
    deference and will not be disturbed absent clear error. 
    Id. Indeed, such
    deference makes even more sense in a writ action than in an ordinary appeal
    because we are proceeding on an "abbreviated record," which "magnifies the
    chance of incorrect rulings." Cox v. Braden, 
    266 S.W.3d 792
    , 795 (Ky. 2008).
    Moreover, we are not reviewing the trial court's order in the strictest
    sense but, instead, are reviewing the Court of Appeals' action in granting or
    denying the writ petition, which is an original action in that court. That review
    has its own standards for the different aspects of the decision whether to grant
    the writ, but they apply to the Court of Appeals' decision, not the trial court's.
    
    Trude, 151 S.W.3d at 810
    . Because we are dealing with the second class of
    writs, we would ordinarily give some deference to the Court of Appeals to the
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    extent it determined the factual question of great and irreparable harm to the
    hospital. 
    Id. But that
    is not really at issue in this case.
    Instead, because we are addressing a question of evidentiary privilege
    under the special-cases exception, we review the trial court's underlying factual
    findings for clear error, while our review of whether the privilege applies, given
    the facts found by the trial court, is de novo. 
    Id. 3 C.
    The hospital has not established that the contents of the notes are
    protected by the attorney-client privilege.
    The hospital claims that the notes are protected by the attorney-client
    privilege. This is the broader of the two claims, as the attorney-client privilege
    is absolute, with very limited exceptions that do not apply here. 4
    The attorney-client privilege, as codified in KRE 503, grants "a privilege
    to refuse to disclose and to prevent any other person from disclosing a
    confidential communication made for the purpose of facilitating the rendition of
    professional legal services to the client." KRE 503(b). The privilege extends only
    to confidential communications, that is, communications "not intended to be
    disclosed to third persons other than those to whom disclosure is made in
    furtherance of the rendition of professional legal services to the client or those
    3 We have also noted repeatedly that whether to issue the writ is ultimately in
    the sound discretion of the court to which the petition was submitted if that court
    correctly found the Hoskins prerequisites had been shown. 
    Trude, 151 S.W.3d at 810
    .
    That decision is subject to review for abuse of discretion. Of course, the Court of
    Appeals concluded in this case that the hospital had not shown the existence of the
    privilege—in other words, that the trial court was not acting in error—and thus did not
    issue the writ. By resolving the case in this manner, the Court of Appeals never
    reached the stage where it could exercise its writ discretion. Thus, the abuse-of-
    discretion standard for that decision is not at issue here.
    4 Those exceptions are addressed in KRE 503(d), and include things like
    communications made in furtherance of crime.
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    reasonably necessary for the transmission of the communication." KRE
    503(a)(5).
    The privilege, of course, protects such communications made by the
    client to the lawyer. KRE 503(b)(1). It also encompasses communications made
    by a "representative of the client" and those made to "a representative of the
    lawyer," 
    id., and extends
    even to communications between representatives of
    the client, KRE 503(b)(4), and between representatives of the lawyer and the
    lawyer, KRE 503(b)(2).
    The client in this case was the hospital, but the communications claimed
    to be privileged are those made by the physicians and nursing staff to the risk-
    management director. Such communications can be covered by the privilege,
    however, as the physicians and the nurses can be representatives of the client.
    For the employees to be representatives of the client, and thus have their
    statements covered by the privilege, their communications must have been
    made "in the course and scope of [their] employment," about "the subject
    ,
    matter of [their] employment," and "to effectuate legal representation of the
    client." KRE 503(a)(2)(B). This distinguishes between employees who are
    actually acting in a representative capacity (and thus whose statements are
    cloaked by the privilege) and those who are "mere eyewitnesses," whose
    statements are not protected. 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 162
    . In other words, an
    employee representative must know that his statement is being given to obtain
    legal advice, or it is not privileged under the attorney-client privilege as set
    forth in the rule itself.
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    There is no question that the nurses and physicians interviewed made
    their statements in the course of their employment and that their statements
    were about the subject matter of their employment, because they were involved
    in the patient's care and their statements related to that care. See St. Luke
    Hosps., Inc. v. Kopowski, 
    160 S.W.3d 771
    , 776 (Ky. 2005) (applying privilege to
    statements by nurses involved in patient's care to risk manager). There is,
    however, some question whether their statements were made "to effectuate
    legal representation for the client," as discussed below.
    The applicability of the privilege in a case like this turns on two
    questions. First, were "the statements ... made for the purpose of obtaining or
    furthering the rendition of legal services to the client"? 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 161
    (citing KRE 503(b)). Second, were the communications actually
    confidential, "meaning they [we]re 'not intended to be disclosed to third persons
    other than those to whom disclosure is made in furtherance of the rendition of
    professional legal services to the client or those reasonably necessary for the
    transmission of the communication'"? 
    Id. (quoting KRE
    503(a)(5)). These are
    actually related inquiries, as they focus on the circumstances surrounding the
    making of the statements and the purposes for which they were made. These
    inquiries are intended to distinguish between statements made wholly or
    primarily in the ordinary course of business or made by mere eyewitnesses,
    and those made by persons acting as agents of the client for the purpose of
    obtaining legal advice.
    The trial court resolved the privilege question in this case by concluding
    that the notes were not for the purpose of facilitating the rendition of legal
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    advice. The court reached this conclusion because it found that: (1) the
    interviews were begun before communications were received from counsel, (2)
    the interviews served a dual legal-business purpose, and (3) the notes were
    used to make reports that were required to be made by law and thus were part
    of the ordinary course of business of the hospital.
    We accept the trial court's finding that Melton began her investigations
    before the hospital's counsel contacted her. The record contains contradictory
    evidence on this point and would thus support a conclusion either way. Melton
    claimed that she did not act until receiving the lawyer's letter, yet the
    physicians point to one of their own affidavits showing that at least one of the
    interviews occurred before that letter was sent. Although the parties cite other
    evidence, these items alone would have supported the trial court's decision
    either way, and it was the trial court's job to resolve the discrepancy. The trial
    court's finding need only be supported by substantial evidence to be affirmed.
    The physician's affidavit was such evidence. Thus, we cannot say the trial
    court's finding on this point was clearly erroneous.
    But the timing of the communications is not dispositive of the privilege
    question because the privilege does not depend on the statements' solicitation
    by counsel. 5 As noted above, the privilege extends to communications made for
    5 We held in Haney v. Yates, 
    40 S.W.3d 352
    , 354 (Ky. 2000), that a statement
    by a taxi-cab driver to the taxi company's in-house safety department was not made in
    furtherance of the rendition of legal services because no lawyer was yet involved in
    that case. That opinion, however, does not apply to this case, because the statements
    in question were not made by employees but by independent contractors. The question
    concerned the application of KRE 503's definition of a confidential communication,
    which extends to communications "not intended to be disclosed to third persons other
    than those to whom disclosure is made in furtherance of the rendition of professional
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    the purpose of obtaining legal advice, and it extends to statements made by
    representatives of the employer, both to the lawyer and his representatives and
    to other representatives of the employer as well, when made for the purpose of
    obtaining legal representation. It is easy to imagine that an employer could
    begin collecting confidential statements from its employees in anticipation of
    seeking legal advice before actually consulting with counsel. No doubt, the
    practice is common. Such internal, confidential dialogue, if its primary purpose
    is to obtain legal advice, can be protected by the privilege. Cf. 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 160
    (stating privilege may apply to statements collected pursuant to
    a hospital's internal policies, rather than directions of counsel, if they were
    "made as part of a comprehensive program by which the hospital seeks to
    determine, with the assistance of counsel, the best legal strategy to pursue in
    regard to the tort that may have happened on the hospital's premises").
    Requiring the privilege to turn on solicitation by counsel would render it
    largely meaningless. The privilege is to be viewed from the perspective of the
    client, not the lawyer. It exists to encourage the client to be open and frank
    with counsel, and to thus facilitate the attorney-client relationship. That the
    client speaks first should not render the statement unprivileged. Rather, the
    legal services to the client or those reasonably necessary for the transmission of the
    communication." KRE 503(a)(5). The case went on to address the insurer-insured
    extension of the attorney-client privilege as applied to self-insured entities.
    Additionally, Haney did not address the second way to make a communication
    confidential: making it to someone "reasonably necessary for the transmission of the
    communication." KRE 503(a)(5). An in-house risk manager who will liaise between the
    client and the lawyer to be employed is the sort of person reasonably necessary for the
    transmission of the communication to counsel.
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    purpose of the client in making the statement controls the applicability of the
    privilege.
    It is also important to remember that the representative of the client
    essentially stands in the shoes of the client for purposes of the privilege's
    application. If the statements in this case had been made directly by the client
    to the lawyer, without the lawyer's solicitation, they would be protected as long
    as they were for the purpose of soliciting legal advice and were confidential.
    That they were instead made by a representative of the client to yet another
    representative of the client or a representative of the lawyer does not extinguish
    the privilege. See Lexington Public Library v. Clark, 90 S.W.3d-53, 59 (Ky. 2002)
    ("If the communication would have been privileged if made to the attorney, it is
    no less privileged because it was made to [another employee] who forwarded it
    to the attorney.")
    Nevertheless, the trial court also concluded that the interviews were not
    taken for the purpose of obtaining legal advice, as required by KRE 503,
    because they were also used to prepare the Root Cause Analysis, which the
    trial court concluded was required by law to be prepared. Indeed, the court
    specifically found, at first, that the sole purpose of Melton's investigation was to
    assist her in preparing the Root Cause Analysis, which was a business
    purpose. After being presented with a letter from the hospital's counsel
    directing Melton to investigate, the court concluded that the investigation had a
    dual purpose, which still barred the privilege.
    The physicians make much of the trial court's conclusion that Melton's
    investigation was undertaken, at least in part, to facilitate the production of a
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    report purportedly required by law. The law in question is 902 KAR 20:016
    § 3(3), which regulates hospital operations and states that "administrative
    reports shall be established, maintained and utilized as necessary to guide the
    operation, measure of productivity and reflect the programs of the facility." 
    Id. § 3(3)(a).
    Those reports "shall include ... [i]ncident investigation reports; and ...
    [o]ther pertinent reports made in the regular course of business." 
    Id. §§ 3(3)(A)(5)-3(3)(A)(6).
    A plurality of this Court recently suggested that this
    regulation extends to reports sent to accreditation entities, like the Joint
    Commission. See Tibbs v. Bunnell, 
    448 S.W.3d 796
    , 804 (Ky. 2014). The trial
    court anticipated this approach, concluding that the Root Cause Analysis was
    required to be created under the regulations. The trial court, however, reasoned
    further that if this report had to be created, then any and all interviews used in
    preparing the report were also "required" and thus were not for the purpose of
    obtaining legal advice.
    It does not necessarily follow that the regulation required the interviews
    and other investigative steps undertaken by Melton simply because they were
    ultimately used to prepare the Root Cause Analysis. 6 It is theoretically possible
    that the investigation might have been undertaken in a different manner if its
    6 Tibbs's suggestion that accreditation reports are required by the regulation is
    also questionable. As the hospital notes, the regulation qualifies the required reports
    with "as necessary." 902 KAR 20:016 § 3(3)(a). But who is to determine what is
    necessary in this context? If it is the hospital, then it is the hospital's decision that led
    to the creation of the report, not the regulation. Moreover, Melton's' deposition
    established that the Root Cause Analysis was not   n an "incident report" as that phrase
    is commonly used in hospital administration. It could then fit, at best, under the
    catch-all provision for documents generated in the ordinary course of business. But
    reporting to the Joint Commission is voluntary. That a hospital undertakes such
    reporting as part of its business again suggests that it is the hospital that dictates
    whether the report is generated, not a government regulation.
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    only purpose was to prepare the Root Cause Analysis. As the hospital points
    out, the Root Cause Analysis focuses only on processes at the hospital and
    does not seek to assign fault or blame to individuals; in fact, individual actors
    are not even to be identified in that report, according to the Joint Commission's
    own requirements. And we have noted: "Whether a particular communication is
    privileged depends (absent waiver) not on what use was ultimately made of the
    communication, but on the facts and circumstances under which the
    communication was made." Lexington Public 
    Library, 90 S.W.3d at 59
    .
    Of course, the trial court found that it was "likely" that the investigation
    would have proceeded in the same manner even if counsel had not asked for it.
    And having reviewed the notes themselves, which have been filed under seal,
    this Court agrees that it is unlikely that they would have been taken in a
    substantially different form. The notes primarily name the various persons
    interviewed and attribute various statements to them. Although the Root Cause
    Analysis does not require that the various actors be named, it still requires
    some reference to their identity, e.g., as an on-call physician, rather than one
    who is merely present or a nurse. Given this necessity, we do not see how
    Melton's notes would have been different if she had never been contacted by
    the hospital's counsel.
    We need not delve into the thorny questions raised by the application of
    Tibbs and this regulation, however. Regardless of whether the interviews were
    required to be undertaken, the fact is that their results were used to prepare
    the Root Cause Analysis. Pam Melton admitted this fact, going so far as to state
    that she kept a copy of her notes for this purpose. Even assuming that the
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    hospital was not required by law to prepare the Root Cause Analysis, the
    simple fact is that it did prepare the document.
    And the trial court found that preparation of this document was one of
    the purposes behind Melton's investigation. This finding of fact is also
    supported by substantial evidence—namely, Melton's own admission that she
    prepared the Root Cause Analysis from her notes and kept a copy of them for
    that purpose—and is not clearly erroneous.
    Moreover, that is a business purpose. The hospital is correct that
    preparing for litigation is not part of the ordinary course of business of a
    hospital per se. Cf. Palmer v. Hoffman, 
    318 U.S. 109
    , 113 (1943) ("But the fact
    that a company makes a business out of recording its employees' versions of
    their accidents does not put those statements in the class of records made 'in
    the regular course' of the business within the meaning of the Act."). Rather, the
    hospital's business is operating a hospital. Although that no doubt includes,
    primarily, treatment of patients and provision of medical care, it extends
    beyond that to all of the day-to-day operations of such a facility. It would
    extend, for example, to practices "aimed at reducing waste or hiring qualified
    employees." 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 160
    .
    That would not necessarily extend to activities such as investigations of
    torts committed on the hospital's premises; such activities are often, instead,
    "for the purpose of assessing the risk of and preparing for possible litigation."
    
    Id. It is
    for that reason that such records are not included in the hearsay
    exception for records of regularly conducted activities. See 
    Palmer, 318 U.S. at 113
    (1943); see also Timberlake Const. Co. v. U.S. Fidelity and Guar. Co., 71
    
    21 F.3d 335
    , 342 (10th Cir. 1995) ("It is well-established that one who prepares a
    document in anticipation of litigation is not acting in the regular course of
    business."). Litigation, even if it is a common occurrence and has an effect on a
    business, requires the party to step outside its ordinary business.
    But incident investigations, at least under circumstances like those in
    this case, can also have a business purpose. The ex post facto assessment of an
    incident can have a business purpose where, for example, it is aimed at future
    preparation and remedial measures, or at simply maintaining basic safety
    standards. It can also be part of an accreditation process, as was the case here
    where the Root Cause Analysis was submitted to the Joint Commission.
    Accreditation may be required by law, or it may simply make the business
    more attractive to customers (or, in this case, patients). In a hospital, where life
    and death is literally on the line, constant self-examination and assessment of
    risk is necessarily part of the daily operation of that business and thus has a
    business purpose unrelated to litigation.
    The question, then, is whether statements made for a dual purpose—
    both for obtaining legal advice and for a business purpose, such as preparing
    accreditation reports—are protected by the privilege. We need not go so far as
    to say that a communication is protected by the privilege only if it had as its
    sole purpose the obtaining of legal advice. But obtaining legal advice must be
    the primary or predominant purpose of the confidential communication to fall
    under the privilege.
    This Court has not expressly laid out that rule before, though it has
    suggested it. See Lexington Public 
    Library, 90 S.W.3d at 59
    -60 ("Finally, lw]hen
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    the ultimate corporate decision is based on both a business policy and a legal
    evaluation, the business aspects of the decision are not protected simply
    because legal considerations are also involved."' (quoting Hardy v. New York
    News, Inc., 
    114 F.R.D. 633
    , 643-44 (S.D.N.Y. 1987))). But it makes sense
    because the attorney-client privilege "protects only those disclosures necessary
    to obtain informed legal advice which might not have been made absent the
    privilege." Fisher v. United States, 
    425 U.S. 391
    , 403 (1976) (emphasis added).
    And it appears to be the general rule across the United States. See 1 Paul Rice
    et al., Attorney-Client Privilege in the United States § 7:6 (2015-2016 ed.)
    ("Although courts occasionally state that the client's communications to the
    attorney must be 'solely' for the purpose of seeking legal advice for the privilege
    to apply, there is general agreement that the protection of the privilege applies
    only if the primary or predominant purpose of the attorney-client consultation
    is to seek legal advice or assistance." (footnotes omitted) (citing federal cases)).
    Where the disclosures are made with dual purposes, and the business
    purpose is equal or predominant, they cannot be covered by the privilege, at
    least where they would have been made for the business purpose anyway. And
    here, as the trial court found, the interviews would likely have been conducted
    in the same manner regardless of counsel's directions to undertake them.
    Conversely, when the predominant purpose is in furtherance of litigation, the
    privilege does apply, providing the communication was confidential.
    The physicians, of course, argue that because Melton's interviews and
    notes had at least a dual purpose, just as the trial court held, the privilege does
    not apply. But we are concerned about the interviews only to the extent that
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    they elicited confidential statements from possible representatives of the
    hospital—the physicians and nurses. In this scenario, as an investigator,
    Melton was simply a pass-through for the statements, which did not lose any
    applicable privilege simply because they were not communicated to the
    attorney directly. Instead, the statements are to be treated as though they were
    made by the employees (who, if they are representatives of the client, are to be
    treated as the client) directly to the lawyer. And despite the physicians' and
    trial court's suggestions otherwise, Melton's subjective purpose in undertaking
    the interviews does not control whether the privilege applies.
    The relevant purpose for determining the privilege is the purpose of the
    client on whose behalf the statements are made, here, the hospital. But the
    employees' statements can only fall under the attorney-client privilege if they
    were acting as representatives of the client in making the statements. Again, a
    representative of the client stands in the shoes of the client, making the
    statement essentially that of the client.
    As mentioned briefly above, there are three requirements for an employee
    to be considered a representative of the client. The first two of these—that the
    communications were made in the course and scope of employment, and were
    about the subject matter of the employment—are clearly shown here.
    The difficult question concerns the third requirement: that the employee
    made the "confidential communication ... [t]o effectuate legal representation for
    the client." KRE 503(a)(2)(B). Implicit in this requirement is that, to some
    extent, the employee's awareness of the purpose of the communication he or
    she makes is relevant in determining the privilege. If the employee is ignorant
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    of the reason he or she is being interviewed, how can the statements be
    reasonably understood to be confidential or made "to effectuate legal
    representation"? They cannot.
    Indeed, this understanding was part of the U.S. Supreme Court's
    reasoning in extending the privilege to statements made by a mere employee
    (rather than restricting it to members of a corporation's "control group") in
    Upjohn Co. v. United States, 
    449 U.S. 383
    (1981). As the Court noted, such
    employees can be representatives of the client in making privileged statements
    if they are "sufficiently aware that they were being questioned in order that the
    corporation could obtain legal advice." 
    Id. at 394
    (emphasis added).
    Although Upjohn is not binding on this Court, our KRE 503, which
    extends the privilege to statements made by a representative of the client, is
    modeled after the system laid out in that decision. See Lexington Public 
    Library, 90 S.W.3d at 59
    (noting KRE 503 embodies the more expansive federal
    approach). And though we have not expressly held that the employee's
    awareness of the purpose of the statements is relevant in determining whether
    the privilege applies, we have declined to find a privilege where "the record
    [wa]s silent as to ... whether, at the time the communications were made, the
    persons who made them were aware that the communications were being
    elicited to effectuate legal, as opposed to business, advice." 
    Id. at 63.
    This
    approach is consistent with that of other jurisdictions that have adopted the
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    representative-of-the-client model of the privilege over the control-group
    approach.?
    We expressly hold today that statements by a corporate client's employee
    can be privileged only if the employee is aware that his or her statements are
    being elicited for the purpose of obtaining legal advice. This is consistent with
    the very rationale behind the privilege—that is, to encourage clients (and their
    representatives) to be frank with their lawyers in furtherance of the attorney-
    client relationship. If an employee does not have reason to know that a
    statement he or she makes is for the purpose of obtaining legal advice, the
    purpose of the privilege is not served.
    Thus, the subjective intent or purpose of the corporate client's or lawyer's
    investigator (like Pam Melton) who questions another employee of the client,
    does not, by itself, clothe the employee's responses in the privilege. At the same
    time, the employee's subjective intent in making the statements, to the extent it
    differs from the corporate client's, also does not control the applicability of the
    privilege, and thus the privilege cannot be defeated by an employee later
    claiming to have made the statements for a purpose other than obtaining legal
    7 For examples, see Nat'l Farmers Union Prop. & Cas. Co. v. Dist. Court for City
    and Cty. of Denver, 
    718 P.2d 1044
    , 1049 (Colo. 1986) (noting absence of employee's
    awareness as one of several reasons for rejecting privilege claim); Broessel v. Triad
    Guar. Ins. Corp., 
    238 F.R.D. 215
    , 218 (W.D. Ky. 2006) ("The attorney-client privilege
    also extends to communications made by noncontrol group employees ...while the
    employees were aware that they were being questioned in order that the corporation
    could obtain legal advice"); United States ex rel. Hunt v. Merck-Medco Managed Care,
    LLC, 
    340 F. Supp. 2d 554
    , 556-57 (E.D. Pa. 2004) (noting that "privilege applies when
    ...the employees were sufficiently aware that they were being questioned in order that
    the corporation could obtain legal advice"); Bruce v. Christian, 
    113 F.R.D. 554
    , 560
    (S.D.N.Y. 1986) ("Attorney-client privilege extends to any employee communicating on
    matters within the scope of his employment when that employee is aware that he is
    being questioned in confidence in order for his employer to obtain legal advice.").
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    advice. When the employee in question makes the statements toward legal
    representation, he or she is acting as an agent of the employer. And it is the
    purpose of the employer, as the client, that dictates the existence of the
    privilege. However, the employer's purpose must be communicated to the
    employee, or the employee must be aware of it in some other way (such as if it
    is standard practice in the company to collect such statements to obtain legal
    advice).
    The trial court thus erred by focusing solely on Pam Melton's purpose in
    undertaking the interviews and making her notes. That purpose may not have
    been communicated to the nurses and physicians, though it would obviously
    be relevant if it had, and they may not have otherwise been aware of it.
    The pertinent question is whether the nurses and physicians were aware
    of why Melton was obtaining the statements. Did she tell them that she was
    questioning them in anticipation of litigation? Was it the standard practice in
    the hospital to undertake such questioning for that purpose? Or did Melton
    possibly tell the nurses and physicians that she was questioning them to
    prepare the accreditation reports, either in whole or in part? We simply do not
    know the answers to these questions.
    It is very likely, given the nature of risk management's ordinary role in
    the day-to-day functioning of a hospital, that the nurses were aware of why
    they were being questioned. But that showing has not been made in this case.
    As we have stated on many occasions, privileges of all stripes are to be strictly
    construed. E.g., 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 159
    ("The analysis in any privilege case
    `begins with the almost universally accepted rule that testimonial privileges are
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    generally disfavored and should be strictly construed."' (quoting Stidham v.
    Clark, 
    74 S.W.3d 719
    , 722-23 (Ky. 2002))). And "the burden is on the party
    claiming the privilege to prove that it exists as to the communications so
    claimed." 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 161
    (quoting St. Luke 
    Hosps., 160 S.W.3d at 775
    ). That burden, therefore, falls to the hospital.
    At least on the current record, we cannot conclude that the hospital has
    met that burden to establish that the privilege applies. It has offered no
    evidence that the nurses and physicians were aware of why Melton was
    questioning them. In many hospital cases, there is no question on that subject.
    But here, there is evidence that Melton herself had a mixed motive in
    undertaking the interviews and that she used the interviews, at least after the
    fact, for a business purpose. We know only that Melton, at least after receiving
    the attorney letter, had a mixed purpose, but that does not resolve the
    question.
    We note that unlike in Collins, the hospital has at least filed the notes in
    question under seal with this Court. But our review of those notes does not
    disclose the purpose for which any of the statements recorded in them was
    made.
    "This is not to say that the privilege does not apply to any of the
    statements." 
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 164
    . It is possible that the statements
    were, in fact, made primarily to assist the hospital in obtaining legal advice and
    to prepare for a possible lawsuit, despite Melton's subjective purpose, and that
    the nurses and physicians were aware of why they were being questioned by
    Melton. The record simply does not show that at this time. But, as in Collins,
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    "the hospital still has the opportunity in the future to establish that the
    privilege covers the documents or at least parts of them." 
    Id. at 165.
    While we
    do not issue a writ at this time, it may be that the hospital can show other
    proof of whether the nurses and doctors knew their statements were being
    taken for the purpose of litigation, thus making them confidential for the
    purpose of securing legal representation. A timely motion to the trial court for
    leave to produce proof consistent with this opinion would stay discovery of the
    statements until the motion could be heard. Any further inquiry, however,
    should focus on the hospital's purpose in having the statements taken and the
    extent that the persons making the statements were aware of that purpose, not
    on Pam Melton's subjective purpose.
    D. The hospital has not established that the notes are covered by the
    work-product doctrine.
    The remaining question is whether Melton's notes should have been
    shielded from discovery under the work-product doctrine. The work-product
    protection stems from Civil Rule 26.02(3). It is not a pure privilege, in that it is
    simply a bar on discovery and is far from absolute.
    Applicability of the protection is determined by a two-part test:
    First, the court must determine whether the document is work
    product because it was prepared "in anticipation of litigation." ...
    Second, if the document is work product, the court must
    determine whether the requesting party has a "substantial need" of
    the document and is unable to obtain the "substantial equivalent"
    without "undue hardship."
    Duffy v. Wilson, 
    289 S.W.3d 555
    , 559 (Ky. 2009). The trial court held that the
    hospital had failed on both counts.
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    We have stated that the test for determining if the document was
    prepared in anticipation of litigation is "whether, in light of the nature of the
    document and the factual situation in the particular case, the document can
    fairly be said to have been prepared or obtained because of the prospect of
    litigation." 
    Id. (quoting 8
    Charles Alan Wright, Arthur R. Miller, & Richard L.
    Marcus, Federal Practice and Procedure §2024 (2d ed.1994)). This is commonly
    referred to as the "'because of standard." United States v. Roxworthy, 
    457 F.3d 590
    , 593 (6th Cir. 2006).
    On this point, the trial court concluded that Melton's notes had not been
    made in anticipation of litigation because they had been made as part of
    producing the legally required Root Cause Analysis. We need not address the
    validity of the trial court's conclusion in this regard—though, as noted above, it
    is questionable whether the Root Cause Analysis is legally compelled by the
    administrative regulations cited by the trial court—because it does not matter
    whether the Root Cause Analysis was required by law or generated voluntarily.
    The relevant facts are that the hospital did complete the Root Cause Analysis
    and, as also found by the trial court, that Melton's notes were generated, at
    least in part, to prepare that document. Here, the purpose of the interviewer is
    relevant, and the trial court found that she had a dual purpose at the very
    least.
    That the notes were prepared for dual purposes, one of which was an
    ordinary business purpose, is arguably dispositive of the work-product
    question. The because-of approach "withholds protection from documents that
    are prepared in the ordinary course of business or that would have been
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    created in essentially similar form irrespective of the litigation." United States v.
    Adlman, 
    134 F.3d 1194
    , 1202 (2d Cir. 1998). And as discussed above, Melton's
    investigation and resulting notes were part of the hospital's ordinary business
    because their purpose, even if only in part, was to help in preparing the Root
    Cause Analysis for submission to the Joint Committee
    Yet the hospital argues that a dual purpose does not by itself remove a
    document from the work-product privilege. It cites federal cases stating, for
    example, that "a document can be created for both use in the ordinary course
    of business and in anticipation of litigation without losing its work-product
    privilege." 
    Roxworthy, 457 F.3d at 599
    . This Court does not disagree, but that
    quote does not mean a document is protected simply because it has any
    litigation purpose or use. As Roxworthy states in the same paragraph,
    "documents do not lose their work product privilege merely because they were
    created in order to assist with a business decision, unless the documents would
    have been created in essentially similar form irrespective of the litigation." 45 7
    .
    F.3d at 598-99 (emphasis added) (internal quotation marks and brackets
    omitted) (quoting 
    Adlman, 134 F.3d at 1202
    ).
    And as the trial court also found, "it is most likely that all of these
    interviews would have been conducted in the same manner even if the letter
    from counsel had never been sent." This is not exactly the same as concluding
    that the notes—that is, the documents that are claimed to be protected here—
    would have been made in essentially similar form, but it is close enough. And,
    again, having reviewed the notes themselves, which have been filed under seal,
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    this Court concludes that there is no reason to think that they would have
    been taken in a different form simply because litigation was anticipated.
    For that reason, this Court concludes that at this pOint the hospital has
    not shown that the notes were prepared in anticipation of litigation, so they are
    not covered by the work-product protection. Because they are not work
    product, we need not address the exception to that doctrine, even though the
    trial court did.
    III. Conclusion
    Because the hospital has so far failed to prove that the attorney-client
    privilege or the work-product doctrine protected Melton's notes, this Court
    cannot say that the trial court erred in ordering their production. For that
    reason, the order of the Court of Appeals denying the writ of prohibition is
    affirmed.
    Minton, C.J.; Cunningham, Noble and Venters, JJ., concur. Keller, J.,
    concurs in result only by separate opinion in which Hughes and Wright, JJ.,
    join. Wright, J., concurs in result only by separate opinion in which Hughes,
    J., joins.
    KELLER, J., CONCURRING IN RESULT ONLY: I concur with the majority
    that, at this point in time, the hospital has not established that the attorney-
    client privilege protects Melton's notes from discovery. I write separately to
    clarify what I believe should be the appropriate analysis with regard to the
    attorney-client privilege.
    Initially, I note that I agree with the majority that it is not clear that "the
    interviews and other investigative steps undertaken [by Melton] were required
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    by [902 KAR 20:016 § 3(3)] simply because they were ultimately used to
    prepare the Root Cause Analysis." Whether Melton undertook the investigation
    pursuant to regulation or in the regular course of business is not dispositive. If
    Melton began and completely conducted her investigation simply to fulfill a
    regulatory requirement (whether required by law or by business practice) that
    investigation would likely not fall under the protective umbrella of the attorney-
    client privilege. However, if Melton began the investigation to fulfill a
    regulatory requirement but then continued the investigation at the request of
    counsel, at least part of the investigation might fall under that protective
    umbrella. The fact that the investigation was begun for one purpose does not
    mean that purpose "colors" the entirety of the investigation. Once Melton
    received the May 9, 2011 letter, the focus, scope, and purpose of the
    investigation could have changed. However, as the majority notes, there simply
    is not enough information in the record to make this determination.
    I also agree that it is certainly possible that the investigation had a dual
    purpose. Melton admitted that she conducted this investigation, in part, to
    prepare the Root Cause Analysis. She also stated that she did not begin her
    investigation until after she received the May 9, 2011 letter. Therefore, the
    record supports the circuit court's finding of a dual purpose.
    The circuit court found that the investigation undertaken by Melton
    would have been the same whether she undertook the investigation to fulfill a
    regulatory requirement or at the request of counsel. The majority agrees;
    however, I disagree. Before the circuit court can compare one investigation to
    another, there must be some evidence regarding how each investigation is
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    undertaken. Here the only evidence is how Melton undertook this
    investigation. There is nothing in this record for the court to use as a
    comparison; therefore, there is no evidence to support the circuit court's
    conclusion that Melton's investigation would have proceeded along the same
    path regardless of her purpose.
    Furthermore, I agree with the majority that, when determining if the
    attorney-client privilege has attached to a statement, the trial court must
    examine why the statement was made, i.e. was it made for the purpose of
    facilitating the rendition of professional legal services to the client." KRE
    503(b). However, I disagree with the majority's conclusion that the purpose of
    the interviewer should not be considered. The trial court must examine both
    the purpose of the interviewer and the purpose of the interviewee. This is
    particularly true in cases such as this, where the interview is not being
    conducted by the attorney or a non-client representative of the attorney, but by
    an individual who is also the client. As the circuit court and the majority
    recognize, the interview process may have been different depending on whether
    Melton was conducting it in order to complete the Root Cause Analysis or at
    the request of counsel. Therefore, Melton's purpose for conducting the
    interviews, while perhaps not controlling, is not wholly irrelevant.
    Finally, I agree with the majority that "the hospital still has the
    opportunity in the future to establish that the privilege covers the documents
    or at least parts of them."   
    Collins, 384 S.W.3d at 164
    . The circuit court should
    refrain from enforcing its disclosure order until the parties have had the
    opportunity to develop proof regarding the preceding. In re-assessing the
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    applicability of the attorney-client privilege, the circuit court must keep in mind
    the following: simply because an investigation begins as an unprivileged
    activity does not mean that it continues to be unprivileged throughout its
    existence; and when determining whether the privilege attaches, the purpose of
    both the investigator and the client/interviewee must be established and
    considered. Furthermore, the circuit court must have some evidence regarding
    the differences and/or similarities between a root cause analysis investigation
    and an attorney requested investigation, before it can determine what type of
    investigation Melton undertook. In other words, there must be some objective
    evidence setting forth what distinguishes a privileged investigation from an
    unprivileged one.
    Hughes and Wright, JJ., join.
    WRIGHT,- J., CONCURRING IN RESULT ONLY: While I fully concur on
    all other grounds, I concur in result only as to the majority's attorney-client
    privilege analysis. Here, the hospital is the entity seeking legal advice. The
    hospital hired the attorney in order to obtain legal advice, and the interviewee
    and interviewer were both employees of the hospital acting within the scope of
    their employment. The motives of these parties was to do their jobs. Therefore,
    that motive is immaterial. The motive of the hospital (as shown through the
    actions of its Board of Directors, executives, employees, and applicable policies
    and procedures) should control the attorney-client privilege analysis.
    Hughes, J., joins.
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    COUNSEL FOR APPELLANT:
    Bryan Todd Thompson
    Millicent Ann Tanner
    Eleanor M. B. Davis
    Chad Owens Propst
    Thompson Miller & Simpson, PLC
    734 West Main Street, Suite 400
    Louisville, Kentucky 40202
    APPELLANT:
    Honorable Phillip James Shepherd
    Circuit Judge, Franklin Circuit Court
    Franklin County Judicial Center
    222 St. Clair Street
    Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
    COUNSEL FOR REAL PARTIES IN INTEREST:
    Clayton Lee Robinson
    Jonathan David Weber
    Kimberly Goetz Desimone
    Robinson 86 Havens, PSC
    101 Prosperous Place, Suite 190
    Lexington, Kentucky 40509
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