United States v. Roberson , 864 F.3d 1118 ( 2017 )


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  •                                                                                    FILED
    United States Court of Appeals
    PUBLISH                                 Tenth Circuit
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS                           July 25, 2017
    Elisabeth A. Shumaker
    FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT                              Clerk of Court
    _________________________________
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee,
    v.                                                            No. 16-6136
    LOUIS ROBERSON,
    Defendant - Appellant.
    _________________________________
    APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF OKLAHOMA
    (D.C. No. 5:15-CR-00160-F-1)
    _________________________________
    Jeffrey M. Byers, Assistant Federal Public Defender, Office of the Federal Public
    Defender, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, appearing for Appellant.
    Nicholas J. Patterson, Assistant United States Attorney (Mark A. Yancey, United States
    Attorney, with him on the brief), Office of the United States Attorney, Oklahoma City,
    Oklahoma, appearing for Appellee.
    _________________________________
    Before HARTZ, MATHESON, and MORITZ, Circuit Judges.
    _________________________________
    MATHESON, Circuit Judge.
    _________________________________
    Appellant-Defendant Louis Roberson pled guilty to being a felon in possession in
    violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1). His plea was conditioned on his ability to pursue this
    appeal of the district court’s denial of his motion to suppress evidence of his firearm
    under the Fourth Amendment.
    Mr. Roberson argued in district court and now on appeal that he submitted to
    police officers’ show of authority when they shined bright lights on him and approached
    his car in a parking lot. He contends that because he had immediately submitted and was
    therefore seized at this point without reasonable suspicion, the ensuing search of his car
    violated the Fourth Amendment.
    I would affirm the district court because, assuming the bright lights and officers’
    approach amounted to a show of authority, Mr. Roberson did not submit until later when
    the officers had reasonable suspicion to seize him. Judge Hartz would affirm because the
    police did not exercise a show of authority when they shined the lights and approached
    the car. Judge Moritz would reverse because the officers’ actions amounted to a show of
    authority and Mr. Roberson submitted before the officers had reasonable suspicion to
    detain him.
    Based on the foregoing, and exercising jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1291, the
    court affirms.
    I. BACKGROUND
    The following facts are taken from evidence presented at the suppression
    hearing. They are presented in the light most favorable to the Government because
    the district court denied Mr. Roberson’s motion to suppress. United States v. Moran,
    
    503 F.3d 1135
    , 1139 (10th Cir. 2007).
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    A. Factual Background
    Around 10:15 p.m. on December 31, 2014, Mr. Roberson met a blind date,
    Annette Byers, at Slick Willie’s Pool Hall in Oklahoma City. They met in Mr.
    Roberson’s car, which he had backed into a parking spot near the entrance of Slick
    Willie’s. Mr. Roberson and Ms. Byers talked for about fifteen minutes and smoked a
    marijuana cigarette—Ms. Byers’s first. Due to the winter chill, Mr. Roberson left the
    car running.
    At 10:30 p.m., four marked Oklahoma City patrol cars drove into the parking
    lot in “wolf-pack” technique by entering from different corners of the lot. The
    officers were not responding to a specific incident. They came instead because Slick
    Willie’s had asked for more frequent police patrol due to problems with criminal
    activity. Among the police were Sergeants Monte Stephens and Michael Anderson,
    who entered through the southwest entrance of the parking lot.
    Upon entering, Sergeants Stephens and Anderson stopped their patrol car
    about 15 feet from the first occupied car they saw—Mr. Roberson’s car. The officers
    tried to make what they called “voluntary contact” with Mr. Roberson and Ms. Byers.
    Because the parking lot was dimly lit, they shined spotlights and bright takedown
    lights on the car.1 Sergeants Stephens and Anderson then exited their patrol car and
    1
    Takedown lights are bright lights that allow police officers to see persons and
    objects illuminated by the lights and make it difficult for persons to see the officers.
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    “resolutely” walked toward Mr. Roberson’s car from the front. ROA, Vol. I at 54.2
    The officers’ patrol car did not block Mr. Roberson’s car, but their line of approach
    meant that Mr. Roberson would have hit the officers had he tried to drive away.3
    “As soon as” the officers got out of their car or “pretty simultaneously,” the
    officers saw Mr. Roberson making “stuffing motions” underneath the driver’s seat.
    ROA, Vol. III at 17, 40. After seeing the stuffing motions, the officers ordered Mr.
    Roberson and Ms. Byers to show their hands. Ms. Byers complied, but Mr. Roberson
    did not, and instead continued to make the stuffing motions.
    The officers then drew their guns and once again commanded Mr. Roberson to
    show his hands. Mr. Roberson still did not comply. Only when Sergeant Stephens
    reached the driver’s side window—and after about three or four commands to show
    his hands—did Mr. Roberson stop the stuffing motions, roll down the window, and
    2
    At the suppression hearing, Sergeant Stephens testified to seeing a cloud of
    smoke in the car when it was illuminated, but he did not record the observation in his
    original police report. Because the Government did not rely on this fact to justify the
    officers’ conduct, the court did not make a factual finding as to whether this
    testimony was credible. Neither do I.
    3
    In district court, the parties disputed the location of the patrol car and whether it
    had blocked in Mr. Roberson’s car. The court credited Sergeant Stephens’s testimony
    over Ms. Byers’s, finding the patrol car had not blocked the car. The court’s factual
    finding regarding the position of the patrol car and its credibility assessment of Ms. Byers
    were not clearly erroneous. See United States v. Jarvison, 
    409 F.3d 1221
    , 1224 (10th Cir.
    2005) (stating that we reverse factual findings and credibility assessments only if they are
    “without factual support in the record” or leave us “with a definite and firm conviction
    that the district court erred”) (quotations omitted).
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    put his hands on the steering wheel.4 The officers opened the door and smelled
    marijuana. They later found a gun under the driver’s seat, where Mr. Roberson had
    been making his stuffing motions, and a bag of marijuana in the center console.
    In the district court’s words, “[t]his all unfolded in a big hurry.” ROA, Vol. III
    at 104. According to Sergeant Stephens, the time between the officers’ exiting their
    car and reaching the car’s window was “a matter of seconds. Probably ten, 15
    seconds. Maybe a little bit more, maybe 30 seconds tops.” 
    Id. at 50.5
    B. Procedural Background
    On August 4, 2015, a federal grand jury indicted Mr. Roberson in the United
    States District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma for possessing a firearm as
    a felon, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1). Mr. Roberson moved to suppress
    evidence of his firearm, arguing his seizure and arrest violated the Fourth
    4
    The district court noted Ms. Byers’s testimony that the first thing she
    remembered seeing after the officers shined their lights was Mr. Roberson sitting
    with his hands on the wheel. The court stated this may not have been inconsistent
    with Sergeant Stephens’s testimony that Mr. Roberson made stuffing motions before
    putting his hands on the wheel because “she didn’t really look at [Mr. Roberson]
    until she saw the [officers’] guns.” ROA, Vol. III at 103; see also 
    id. at 77
    (Ms.
    Byers’s testimony supporting that finding). To the extent the testimony conflicted,
    the court discounted Ms. Byers’s testimony because her first experience with
    marijuana, the bright lights, the guns, and the new setting may have affected her
    perception or memory. The court’s finding that Mr. Roberson did not put his hands
    on the steering wheel until after making the furtive motions was not clearly
    erroneous. 
    Jarvison, 409 F.3d at 1224
    .
    5
    The court found that the time between the officers’ exiting their car and
    smelling marijuana was as little as eight to ten seconds. The court’s finding that the
    timing was as little as eight seconds is not supported by the record. But its finding
    that it was as little as ten is supported by Sergeant Stephens’s testimony and is
    therefore not clearly erroneous.
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    Amendment, thereby invalidating the search for and recovery of the firearm. On
    September 24, 2015, the district court held an evidentiary hearing on the suppression
    motion. Sergeant Stephens and Ms. Byers were the only witnesses.
    On December 3, 2015, the court issued a written order denying the motion to
    suppress. The court held the officers did not “seize” Mr. Roberson within the
    meaning of the Fourth Amendment until after they had developed reasonable
    suspicion based on Mr. Roberson’s furtive stuffing motions. The arrest and search
    were therefore valid.
    After the court’s order, Mr. Roberson pled guilty conditioned on his ability to
    appeal the denial of the suppression motion. On May 16, 2016, the court sentenced
    Mr. Roberson to 80 months in prison and three years of supervised release.
    II. DISCUSSION
    On appeal, Mr. Roberson challenges the district court’s order holding the
    officers did not violate his Fourth Amendment rights. This court should affirm the
    district court’s denial of Mr. Roberson’s motion to suppress because Mr. Roberson
    did not submit to the officers’ initial show of authority and therefore was not seized
    at that time. When the officers later seized Mr. Roberson, they had reasonable
    suspicion to do so.
    A. Standard of Review
    “When reviewing the denial of a motion to suppress, we accept the district
    court’s factual findings and determinations of witness credibility unless they are
    clearly erroneous.” 
    Moran, 503 F.3d at 1139
    (quotations omitted). But “the ultimate
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    issue of whether a seizure occurred is a question of law, which we review de novo.”
    United States v. Guerrero, 
    472 F.3d 784
    , 786 (10th Cir. 2007). We also review de
    novo the question of when a seizure occurred. United States v. Salazar, 
    609 F.3d 1059
    , 1064 (10th Cir. 2010).
    B. Legal Standards
    1. The Fourth Amendment and Seizure
    The Fourth Amendment guarantees “[t]he right of the people to be secure in their
    persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” U.S.
    Const. amend. IV. A seizure must be “justified at its inception” to comply with the
    Fourth Amendment. United States v. Mosley, 
    743 F.3d 1317
    , 1326 (10th Cir. 2014)
    (quoting Terry v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 20 (1968)). Mr. Roberson argues he was seized
    before the officers had reasonable suspicion to do so in violation of the Fourth
    Amendment.
    Fourth Amendment law recognizes three types of police-citizen encounters:
    (1) consensual encounters; (2) investigative detentions; and (3) arrests. Both detentions
    and arrests are seizures. Police must have reasonable suspicion of criminal activity for a
    detention and probable cause that a crime has been committed for an arrest. See United
    States v. Hernandez, 
    846 F.3d 1247
    , 1271-72 (10th Cir. 2017).
    A police officer may seize someone either by physical force or a show of
    authority. 
    Salazar, 609 F.3d at 1064
    (quoting 
    Terry, 392 U.S. at 19
    n.16). As in this
    case, “[w]hen an officer does not apply physical force to restrain a subject, a Fourth
    Amendment seizure occurs only if (a) the officer shows his authority; and (b) the citizen
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    ‘submits to the assertion of authority.’” 
    Id. (brackets omitted)
    (quoting California v.
    Hodari D., 
    499 U.S. 621
    , 626 (1991)). Because the ensuing analysis relies on whether
    Mr. Roberson submitted to an assertion of authority, additional legal background on that
    element follows.
    2. Submission to Authority
    A show of authority alone is not a seizure “without actual submission.”
    Brendlin v. California, 
    551 U.S. 249
    , 254 (2007). Actual submission depends on “the
    view of a reasonable law enforcement officer” under “the totality of the
    circumstances.” 
    Salazar, 609 F.3d at 1064
    -65 (quotations omitted). Submission
    “requires, at minimum, that a suspect manifest compliance with police orders.”
    
    Mosley, 743 F.3d at 1326
    (quotations omitted).
    In Brendlin, the Supreme Court considered whether a car’s passenger, and not
    just the driver, was seized during a traffic 
    stop. 551 U.S. at 251
    . The Court
    determined the passenger submitted to the officers’ show of authority (flashing lights
    directing the car to pull over) by staying inside the car. 
    Id. at 260,
    262. The Court
    reasoned that the passenger “had no effective way to signal submission while the car
    was still moving on the roadway, but once it came to a stop he could, and apparently
    did, submit by staying inside.” 
    Id. at 262.
    Interpreting and applying Brendlin, among other Supreme Court and Tenth
    Circuit cases, we considered in Mosley whether, from a reasonable officer’s
    perspective, an individual’s momentary hesitation before making furtive motions
    constituted submission to a show of 
    authority. 743 F.3d at 1324
    , 1327. We held that
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    it did not. 
    Id. at 1327.
    The police in Mosley received an anonymous tip that two
    people were handling a gun in a car in a Denny’s parking lot. 
    Id. at 1321.
    Two
    officers responded and approached the car from the side with weapons drawn. 
    Id. Catching the
    car’s occupants off guard, the officers—with weapons raised—shouted
    for the occupants to put their hands up. 
    Id. The driver
    complied, but the passenger—
    the defendant—did not. 
    Id. The defendant
    “hesitated briefly” and then “quickly
    began making furtive motions [that] . . . were consistent with trying to either hide or
    retrieve a weapon.” 
    Id. The defendant
    ignored repeated commands to put his hands
    up but eventually complied. 
    Id. When the
    defendant disobeyed commands to exit
    the car, an officer pulled him out, handcuffed him, and took him into custody. 
    Id. at 1321-22.
    The district court denied the defendant’s motion to suppress, and we affirmed.
    
    Id. at 1321.
    Although the officers’ actions amounted to a show of authority, we held
    the defendant was not seized until he complied with their commands to put his hands
    up. 
    Id. at 1327.
    The defendant did not “immediately manifest compliance with [the
    officers’] orders” when he “froze[] momentarily” before making his stuffing motions.
    
    Id. We acknowledged
    “a reasonable officer shouting ‘hands up’ likely would have
    viewed [the defendant] as ‘seized’ had [he] simply sat still in the car without making
    furtive motions.” Id.6 But the defendant’s furtive motions, consistent with hiding or
    retrieving a gun, did not manifest submission, and instead were “directly contrary to
    6
    We said nothing, however, about how long he would have had to sit “still” to
    constitute an objective submission from a reasonable officer’s viewpoint.
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    the officers’ commands.” 
    Id. Under the
    totality of the circumstances, a reasonable
    law enforcement officer would not view the defendant as submitting until he
    complied with the officers’ orders to put his hands up. Id.7
    Mosley relied in part on our decision in Salazar, which addressed whether a
    brief hesitation amounted to submission. 
    Id. at 1326
    (discussing 
    Salazar, 609 F.3d at 1067
    ). In Salazar, a police officer saw a pickup truck entering a parking lot and
    drove his patrol car toward the 
    pickup. 609 F.3d at 1061-62
    . The pickup driver
    turned on the truck’s headlights and drove toward the patrol car. 
    Id. at 1062.
    The
    officer turned on his emergency lights. 
    Id. The pickup
    driver continued to drive
    toward the patrol car, stopped, shifted to reverse, and then backed up for 20 seconds.
    
    Id. The pickup
    truck “momentarily stopped” and then drove forward around the
    driver’s side of the patrol car. 
    Id. When the
    truck moved past the patrol car, the
    officer got out of the car, drew his firearm, and ordered the defendant to stop and get
    out. 
    Id. The defendant
    complied. 
    Id. On appeal,
    relying on our precedent and Supreme Court cases, including
    Brendlin, we held there was no submission to the officer’s show of authority until the
    7
    We stated that, unlike Brendlin, where the passenger defendant had no
    effective way to signal submission before the car was stopped, in Mosley:
    the car was already parked when the officers arrived, and [the d]efendant had
    an effective way to signal submission—putting his hands up in compliance
    with the officer’s orders or, at the very least, remaining still without making
    furtive motions—but he did not do 
    so. 743 F.3d at 1324
    n.3.
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    defendant complied with the officer’s command to exit his truck. 
    Id. at 1064,
    1067.
    We said a reasonable officer would not have viewed the defendant’s “momentary[]
    stop” (or “fleeting pause”) after his 20 seconds of backing up as a submission to
    authority. 
    Id. at 1068.8
    Mosley also relied on United States v. Johnson, 
    212 F.3d 1313
    (D.C. Cir.
    2000), which we stated was “virtually indistinguishable.” 
    Mosley, 743 F.3d at 1327
    .
    In Johnson, officers patrolling in a “high narcotics area” saw two people in a parked
    car in a parking 
    lot. 212 F.3d at 1314
    . One officer saw the defendant make a
    “‘shoving down’ motion, leading him to believe that [the defendant] might be
    armed.” 
    Id. at 1315.
    The officer drew his gun and shouted, “Let me see your hands.”
    8
    In reaching this conclusion, we distinguished United States v. Morgan, 
    936 F.2d 1561
    (10th Cir. 1991). 
    Salazar, 609 F.3d at 1067
    -68. We explained that the
    Morgan defendant had submitted to a show of authority, “at least momentarily,” by
    asking an officer, “What do you want?” before attempting to flee. 
    Id. at 1068
    (quoting 
    Morgan, 936 F.2d at 1565
    , 1567). Unlike Morgan, where a reasonable
    officer could have viewed the defendant’s brief attempt at conversation as yielding to
    a show of authority, there was no conversation between the officer and defendant in
    Salazar. 
    Id. We concluded
    “the fleeting pause of a moving vehicle” would not show
    submission to a reasonable officer. 
    Id. The Sixth
    Circuit distinguished Morgan on similar grounds when it assessed
    whether a “momentary pause” without a conversation constituted submission to
    authority. United States v. Jeter, 
    721 F.3d 746
    , 752-53 (6th Cir. 2013) (finding no
    submission where suspect “momentar[ily] paused” as officers approached him, then
    abandoned his bicycle and ran away, without any attempt to converse with the
    officers).
    Other circuits have not taken Morgan’s approach and instead have held that a
    momentary hesitation and a brief conversation did not amount to submission. See
    e.g., United States v. Smith, 
    633 F.3d 889
    , 893 (9th Cir. 2011) (no submission where
    suspect “initially hesitated and engaged in short verbal exchange” with police);
    United States v. Valentine, 
    232 F.3d 350
    , 359 (3d Cir. 2000) (no submission when the
    defendant paused for a few moments and gave his name to officers).
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    Id. The defendant
    “did not immediately comply but rather made ‘a couple of more
    shoving motions down’ before raising his hands.” 
    Id. The officer
    then searched the
    defendant and found cocaine on him. 
    Id. The D.C.
    Circuit held that a seizure did not take place “immediately after [the
    defendant’s] first ‘shoving down’ motion,” as the defendant had not yet submitted to
    the officer’s show of authority. 
    Id. at 1316.
    “On the contrary, [the defendant]
    continued to make ‘shoving down’ motions, gestures that were the very opposite of
    complying with [the officer’s] order, and which a reasonable officer could have
    thought were actually suggestive of hiding (or retrieving) a gun.” 
    Id. at 1316-17.
    The court held that those “continued furtive gestures in response to being confronted
    by a police officer” created reasonable suspicion to stop the defendant. 
    Id. at 1317.
    Because reasonable suspicion supported the stop, the following frisk and discovery of
    the cocaine was proper. 
    Id. C. Analysis
    Mr. Roberson ultimately was seized. Sergeants Stephens and Anderson first
    detained him based on reasonable suspicion and then arrested him based on probable
    cause. They next searched his car and found the firearm under the driver’s seat.
    The critical question for resolution of this appeal is when Mr. Roberson was
    seized.9 The timing of the seizure matters because the firearm evidence must be
    9
    In his opening brief, Mr. Roberson contends he was seized not only by
    submitting to a show of authority but also by physical force when the officers shined their
    lights and approached his car. But we have generally required physical touching for a
    Continued . . .
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    suppressed if he were seized before the officers developed reasonable suspicion. 
    Mosley, 743 F.3d at 1326
    . As noted above, the seizure question here turns on a show of
    authority/submission to authority analysis.
    To resolve this appeal, I assume the officers’ initial conduct—shining bright lights
    on Mr. Roberson’s car and walking toward the car—was a show of authority, which
    escalated when the officers commanded Mr. Roberson to put his hands on the steering
    wheel. The question is whether, based on the nature of the show of authority, Mr.
    Roberson submitted to that initial show of authority.10 He did not. Instead, he submitted
    and was seized only later when he put his hands on the steering wheel in compliance with
    the officers’ commands. This was the first moment a reasonable officer would think Mr.
    Roberson had submitted. The officers already had reasonable suspicion before this
    happened.
    1. Analytical Considerations
    The following discussion focuses on (1) three key parts of what happened, (2)
    three aspects of Mosley, and (3) two main points that structure the analysis.
    seizure to occur through physical force. Brooks v. Gaenzle, 
    614 F.3d 1213
    , 1222 (10th
    Cir. 2010) (discussing how we interpret Hodari D. as standing for the proposition that “a
    ‘seizure’ occurs only when a fleeing person is physically touched by police or when he or
    she submits to a show of authority by police”) (quotations omitted). Mr. Roberson was
    therefore not seized by physical force.
    10
    The dissent mistakenly equates the opinion’s assuming there was a show of
    authority with ignoring its nature. See Dissent at 2. But the analysis here considers
    how the officers showed their authority and how Mr. Roberson responded.
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    First, this episode included three key parts (as discussed below, parts #1 and
    #2 happened “pretty simultaneously”):
    #1:    The officers’ shining the lights, exiting their car, and approaching
    Mr. Roberson’s car.
    #2:    Mr. Roberson’s furtive stuffing motions.
    #3:    Mr. Roberson’s compliance with the officers’ orders to show his
    hands.
    The Government does not contest the district court’s determination that the
    officers lacked reasonable suspicion at #1. Mr. Roberson, in turn, does not dispute
    the court’s conclusion that the officers had reasonable suspicion to seize Mr.
    Roberson at #2 when he made his furtive stuffing motions.11 The parties agree Mr.
    Roberson had submitted to a show of authority at least by #3 when he showed his
    hands on the steering wheel. The question is whether he submitted earlier than #3.
    Mr. Roberson argues the show of authority arose at #1, see Aplt. Br. at 19, and that
    he was seized “immediately” at #1 by submitting to the officers’ initial show of
    authority by not running or driving away, 
    id. at 23.
    I disagree. Under the totality of
    the circumstances, a reasonable officer would not have viewed Mr. Roberson as
    submitting “immediately” because he started his furtive motions in response to their
    show of authority. A reasonable officer would have thought Mr. Roberson submitted
    11
    Although Mr. Roberson argues there was no reasonable suspicion from the
    “onset” of the encounter, Aplt. Br. at 11, he does not challenge the district court’s
    determination that the officers developed reasonable suspicion when Mr. Roberson
    made his stuffing motions after the officers confronted him.
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    only when he complied with the officers’ commands and put his hands on the
    steering wheel at #3.
    Second, three aspects of Mosley are especially relevant. First, both here and in
    Mosley, in response to law enforcement’s show of authority, the defendants made furtive
    motions that were directly contrary to submission. Second, in Mosley, the defendant
    briefly hesitated before making furtive motions, whereas Mr. Roberson did not hesitate.
    Third, in both cases, the defendants did not manifest submission until they complied with
    the officers’ orders to show their hands.
    Third, two main points frame the following application of law to the facts. First,
    when viewed in the light most favorable to the Government, the evidence here is at least
    as strong to affirm as in Mosley. Second, whether and when an individual submits to a
    show of authority turns on the perception of a reasonable officer, not that of the
    individual. 
    Salazar, 609 F.3d at 1065
    .
    2. Application
    First, viewed in the light most favorable to the Government, 
    Moran, 503 F.3d at 1139
    , the evidence at the suppression hearing showed that Mr. Roberson did not
    hesitate before furtively hiding his gun in response to the lights and the officers’
    approach. Rather than remain passively seated, he made furtive stuffing motions
    beneath his seat consistent with hiding or retrieving a gun. See ROA, Vol. III at 105
    (district court’s finding that the stuffing motions were consistent with concealing or
    retrieving a gun). Sergeant Stephens testified that the officers’ exiting their car and
    Mr. Roberson’s stuffing motions happened “pretty simultaneously.” ROA, Vol. III at
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    40. This means that no time elapsed between #1 (the show of authority) and #2 (Mr.
    Roberson’s furtive stuffing motions). This evidence is stronger than in Mosley,
    where the defendant “hesitated briefly” before his furtive 
    motions, 743 F.3d at 1321
    .
    Mr. Roberson’s argument that he submitted and was seized “immediately” at
    #1 by not attempting to run or drive away, Aplt. Br. at 23, is contrary to the record,
    which shows there was no time gap between the show of authority at #1 and his
    furtive motions at #2 to signal his submission to the officers. Mr. Roberson therefore
    was not seized “immediately” as he contends.
    Second, although Mr. Roberson or a reasonable person in his position may
    have believed he was submitting to the police “immediately” at #1, our precedent
    makes clear that it is the reasonable officer’s perspective that counts in analyzing
    whether Mr. Roberson submitted. See 
    Salazar, 609 F.3d at 1065
    . A reasonable
    officer would not have concluded that Mr. Roberson submitted to authority until he
    complied with the command to show his hands at #3.
    Commensurate with the officers’ initial show of authority consisting of the
    bright lights and approaching the car, Mr. Roberson could have attempted to run or
    drive away to manifest his lack of submission. But Mr. Roberson and the dissent
    wrongly contend that these were the only ways to refuse to submit. See Dissent at 11
    (reasoning that Mr. Roberson submitted immediately by remaining seated, rather than
    fleeing on foot or driving away); Aplt. Br. at 22 (arguing the same).
    In Mosley, we recognized that furtive motions in response to officers’ show of
    authority reflect lack of submission. 
    See 743 F.3d at 1327
    (stating that the furtive
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    motions did not manifest submission but were instead “directly contrary to the
    officers’ commands” shouting “hands up”). Mosley thus supports that Mr.
    Roberson’s immediate furtive motions at #2—which were consistent with reaching
    for a gun under his seat and continued even after the officers shouted their commands
    to show his hands—were actions a reasonable officer could view as contrary to
    submission. And as previously noted, Mr. Roberson does not challenge the district
    court’s conclusion that the officers had reasonable suspicion to seize him at #2 when
    he started making his furtive stuffing motions. A reasonable officer would not have
    thought Mr. Roberson submitted until he stopped his stuffing motions and complied
    with the officers’ orders by showing his hands on the steering wheel at #3—at which
    time the officers had reasonable suspicion to seize Mr. Roberson.12
    *   *    *   *
    The foregoing analysis comports with Mosley, where we held that a brief
    hesitation before engaging in furtive motions would not have signaled submission to
    a reasonable officer. See 
    Mosley, 743 F.3d at 1325
    (“To comply with an order to
    stop—and thus to become seized—a suspect must do more than halt temporarily; he
    must submit to police authority, for there is no seizure without actual submission.”)
    12
    Mr. Roberson’s attempts to distinguish Mosley are unavailing. For example,
    Mr. Roberson points out that the officers in Mosley were responding to an
    anonymous tip, 
    id. at 1321,
    whereas the officers here had no such tip and were
    instead conducting a general patrol of Slick Willie’s. But the fact of the anonymous
    tip did not affect Mosley’s analysis as to whether the defendant submitted. It was
    instead a fact relevant to whether there was reasonable suspicion to seize the
    defendant at the time of his submission.
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    (brackets and quotations omitted). And, as the record supports, Mr. Roberson did not
    hesitate before engaging in non-submissive furtive motions.
    3. The Dissent
    The following responds to the dissent’s remaining arguments.
    First, the dissent argues the foregoing analysis “disregards Brendlin’s guidance”
    that, “depend[ing] on what a person was doing before the show of authority,” “an
    individual can submit to a show of authority through passive acquiescence.” Dissent at
    10 (quoting 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 255
    , 261-62). The dissent errs by overlooking a critical
    distinguishing fact between Brendlin and this case, and by disregarding our circuit’s
    binding precedent.
    Quoting Brendlin that “passive acquiescence” can consist of remaining seated
    inside a car, 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 255
    , 262, the dissent would hold that Mr.
    Roberson “immediately submitted to the officers’ command through passive
    acquiescence by remaining seated in his parked car in response to the command to
    stay put, rather than attempting to flee on foot or run over the approaching officers by
    driving away.” Dissent at 11. The problem with this argument is that, although Mr.
    Roberson remained inside the car like the Brendlin defendant, he did not acquiesce.
    He instead immediately made furtive motions consistent with reaching for a gun. See
    ROA, Vol. III at 105. The dissent “see[s] no reason to consider” Mr. Roberson’s
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    stuffing motions, Dissent at 15, but Mosley holds that furtive stuffing motions are
    inconsistent with submission.13
    Although the dissent criticizes this opinion’s use of Salazar’s “reasonable officer”
    test and “question[s]” our court’s “basis for adopting such a test,” see Dissent at 12-13, it
    agrees that Salazar binds this court, 
    id. at 12.
    The dissent’s actual quarrel seems more
    with our circuit’s precedent, not how this opinion follows it.14
    Second, the dissent argues this opinion “overlooks a critical distinction between
    the show of force here and the show of force in Mosley,” 
    id. at 14,
    but its argument is not
    well-grounded.
    The dissent first notes that Mr. Mosley was caught by surprise when the
    officers approached, 
    id. at 13-14
    (citing 
    Mosley, 743 F.3d at 1321
    ), whereas Mr.
    13
    The dissent notes that in Brendlin, the passenger submitted despite “briefly
    open[ing] and then clos[ing] the passenger door” rather than “remain[ing] frozen in
    place.” Dissent at 15 n.4 (citing 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 252
    ). As the dissent
    recognizes, the Supreme Court stated that such movements could have been either
    contrary or consistent with submission. 
    Id. (citing Brendlin,
    551 U.S. at 258 n.4).
    But here Mr. Roberson’s actions left no room for debate—he started furtive stuffing
    motions that Mosley held are directly contrary to submission.
    14
    The dissent posits the Supreme Court’s “Mendenhall/Bostick test” “says
    nothing about analyzing submission from a reasonable officer’s view,” Dissent at 12
    (referring to United States v. Mendenhall, 
    446 U.S. 544
    , 544 (1980) and Florida v.
    Bostick, 
    501 U.S. 429
    , 435-36 (1991)), and criticizes United States v. Cardoza, 
    129 F.3d 6
    , 14 n.4 (1st Cir. 1997), which Salazar cited in support of the reasonable
    officer test, Dissent at 12-13. But none of this changes that Salazar, and for that
    matter Mosley, are binding circuit precedent.
    Whatever merit there may be to the dissent’s critique of Tenth Circuit
    precedent, we must follow it “absent en banc reconsideration or a superseding
    contrary decision by the Supreme Court.” Barnes v. United States, 
    776 F.3d 1134
    ,
    1147 (10th Cir. 2015) (quotations and emphasis omitted).
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    Roberson “had at least a few seconds to process that several patrol cars had entered
    the parking lot, one patrol car had pinpointed him by shining bright lights on his car,
    and two officers were aggressively approaching his car.” 
    Id. at 14.
    The record
    shows otherwise. The dissent’s assertion that Mr. Roberson perceived “several patrol
    cars” entering the parking lot conflicts with the district court’s finding that Mr.
    Roberson was not yet aware of any patrol car other than that of Sergeants Stephens
    and Anderson at the initial show of authority.15 The dissent also lacks record support
    for its supposition that Mr. Roberson was not caught off guard, or that he had “at
    least a few seconds to process” the officers’ actions before making his stuffing
    motions. Id.16
    15
    The district court found that, apart from Sergeants Stephens and Anderson’s
    car, “[t]here [was] no basis in the evidence for a finding that the other squad cars that
    pulled into other parts of the parking lot contributed . . . to the defendant’s perception
    of his situation.” ROA, Vol. I at 51 n.3. The dissent regards this finding as a legal
    conclusion. Dissent at 4. The district court did not think so, and neither do I.
    I disagree with the dissent that, if the finding was factual, it was clearly
    erroneous. 
    Id. at 5-6
    n.1. The dissent points to Ms. Byers’s testimony that she saw
    other patrol cars arrive after the first patrol car with bright lights appeared. Dissent
    at 5-6 n.1 (citing ROA, Vol. III at 107-08). But the dissent overlooks Ms. Byers’s
    further testimony that the “first car” she saw was the one with “the bright lights on,”
    ROA, Vol. III at 63 & 65, and that she “didn’t see the [other officers] in the back
    until [she] was detained,” which occurred when Mr. Roberson had already submitted
    by putting his hands on the steering wheel, 
    id. at 66-67.
    Viewing her testimony in
    the light most favorable to the Government, as we must, the court’s finding was not
    clearly erroneous.
    16
    Ms. Byers’s and Sergeant Stephens’s testimony cuts against the dissent’s
    assertions that Mr. Roberson was not startled and perceived the police presence
    before they shined their lights. See ROA, Vol. III at 76 (Ms. Byers testifying that her
    attention was “first” drawn to the officers’ spotlight that caught her by “surprise[]”);
    Continued . . .
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    Even assuming Mr. Roberson had paused after becoming aware of the officers’
    show of authority and starting his stuffing motions, any pause would have been a few
    seconds at most. This is so because, taking the evidence in the light most favorable
    to the Government, the stuffing motions were only a part of the 10 to 15 seconds
    between the time the officers exited their car (#1) and smelled marijuana (#3).17
    Mosley supports that any such brief hesitation between perceiving a show of
    authority and making furtive stuffing motions would not signal submission to a
    reasonable 
    officer. 743 F.3d at 1321
    , 1327.
    The dissent second observes that the officers in Mosley explicitly and
    immediately commanded Mr. Mosley to show his hands, whereas the officers here
    commanded Mr. Roberson to show his hands only after he started his stuffing
    motions. Dissent at 13-14. The officers’ initial command to Mr. Roberson, in the
    dissent’s view, was an “implicit” one to “stay put.” 
    Id. at 14.
    But any difference in
    the nature of the officers’ commands does not materially distinguish Mosley. The
    critical feature in both cases is that neither Mr. Mosley nor Mr. Roberson complied
    with those commands. Instead, they reacted by engaging in furtive stuffing motions
    that, from a reasonable officer’s perspective, evinced noncompliance with the
    
    id. at 35
    (Sergeant Stephens testifying that, from his perspective, Mr. Roberson was
    “startled” by the officers). There was no contrary testimony.
    17
    Although Sergeant Stephens testified that the timeframe may have been “30
    seconds tops,” he testified that it was “[p]robably” 10 or 15 seconds. ROA, Vol. III
    at 50. The evidence viewed in the light most favorable to the Government is that the
    timeframe was only 10 to 15 seconds.
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    officers’ commands. Because the defendants’ reactions to the officers’ commands
    were the same, Mosley is analogous for the purpose of analyzing whether Mr.
    Roberson submitted.
    III. CONCLUSION
    With Judge Hartz’s concurrence and this opinion, a majority of this panel
    affirms the district court’s order denying Mr. Roberson’s motion to suppress.
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    16-6136, United States v. Roberson
    HARTZ, Circuit Judge, concurring:
    At 10:30 p.m. on New Year’s Eve, six officers of the Oklahoma City Police Gang
    Enforcement Unit, traveling in four patrol cars, converged on the parking lot of Slick
    Willie’s Pool Hall. At the request of Slick Willie’s, officers often patrolled the parking
    lot, particularly on weekends, because of problems there with assaults and fights. There
    had been a shooting there in early September. In the words of the district court, Slick
    Willie’s was “beyond any question . . . a place that is very productive of criminal activity
    [,] . . . a place where arrests take place [,] . . a place where narcotics are dealt ” and “a
    high-crime location . . . . that is frequently in need of law enforcement attention.”
    R., Vol. 3 at 101 (Transcript).
    There were four entrances to the parking lot. Officer Monte Stephens,
    accompanied by Sergeant Michael Anderson, drove his patrol car through the southwest
    entrance to check out that part of the parking lot while the other officers checked
    elsewhere. They promptly saw a Chrysler 300 with two occupants in the front seats.
    Because the lot was not well lit, Officer Stephens turned on his car’s spotlight; his
    emergency lights were not activated. The Chrysler was backed into a parking space,
    blocked on all sides except its front. Officer Stephens stopped the patrol car far enough
    away from the Chrysler so as not to block its path. He and Sergeant Anderson then
    walked “resolutely” toward the Chrysler, R., Vol. 1 at 54 (District Court Order), blocking
    any escape route for the vehicle. Defendant was in the driver’s seat and a woman sat
    beside him. Although there were four other officers and three other patrol cars in other
    areas of the parking lot, the district court found that their presence did not “contribute[],
    in any way that is significant for present purposes, to [Defendant’s] perception of his
    situation—and his responses to that perception.” 
    Id. at 51
    n.3.
    In my view, this conduct by the two officers did not constitute a seizure of
    Defendant. Nothing they did amounted to an assertion of authority, directing the
    occupants of the vehicle that they could not depart. There was no forcible restraint, no
    threat or command, no drawing of a weapon, and no activation of emergency lights.
    They merely took prudent steps to safely initiate a consensual investigation. If the
    officers’ actions had to be supported by reasonable suspicion or probable cause, it is hard
    to see how the police can conduct patrols involving consensual conversations in high-risk
    areas.
    Supreme Court precedent does not support the conclusion that Defendant was
    seized before the officers arrived at his car. A brief review of the Court’s doctrine will
    put this case in context.
    The Supreme Court first declared in Terry v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 19 n.16 (1968),
    that a seizure occurs “[o]nly when the officer, by means of physical force or show of
    authority, has in some way restrained the liberty of a citizen.” The Court did not,
    however, define show of authority. Not until 1980 did the generally accepted formulation
    appear, although not in binding precedent. In United States v. Mendenhall, 
    446 U.S. 544
    (1980), Justice Stewart, joined only by then-Justice Rehnquist, recognized the competing
    interests at stake. He wrote, “The purpose of the Fourth Amendment is not to eliminate
    all contact between the police and the citizenry, but to prevent arbitrary and oppressive
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    interference by enforcement officials with the privacy and personal security of
    individuals.” 
    Id. at 553–54.
    “[C]haracterizing every street encounter between a citizen
    and the police as a ‘seizure,’” he continued, “while not enhancing any interest secured by
    the Fourth Amendment, would impose wholly unrealistic restrictions upon a wide variety
    of legitimate law enforcement practices.” 
    Id. at 554.
    He concluded that a seizure occurs
    “only if, in view of all of the circumstances surrounding the incident, a reasonable person
    would have believed that he was not free to leave.” 
    Id. This feel-free-to-leave
    standard has now been adopted by the Court to resolve
    whether a seizure occurs when police actions “do not show an unambiguous attempt to
    restrain or when an individual’s submission to a show of governmental authority takes
    the form of passive acquiescence.” Brendlin v. California, 
    551 U.S. 249
    , 255 (2007).
    But the test has been tweaked for those occasions when “a person has no desire to leave
    for reasons unrelated to the police presence”; in that circumstance, the proper test is not
    the free-to-leave test but whether a reasonable innocent person “would feel free to decline
    the officers’ requests or otherwise terminate the encounter.” 
    Id. (internal quotation
    marks
    omitted); see Florida v. Bostick, 
    501 U.S. 429
    , 438 (1991) (“the ‘reasonable person’ test
    presupposes an innocent person”).
    It is hardly obvious, however, how to determine whether a reasonable innocent
    person would feel free to leave or to decline a request. For a variety of reasons, most
    people will not “feel” free to leave or refuse a request when confronted by a police
    officer. After all, “‘[i]mplicit in the introduction of the officer and the initial questioning
    is a show of authority to which the average person encountered will feel obliged to stop
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    and respond.’” LaFave, 4 Search and Seizure § 9.4(a) (5th ed.) (original brackets
    omitted) (quoting Illinois Migrant Council v. Pilliod, 
    398 F. Supp. 882
    , 899 (1975)).
    Thus, “if the ultimate issue is perceived as being whether the suspect ‘would feel free to
    walk away,’ then virtually all police-citizen encounters must in fact be deemed to involve
    a Fourth Amendment Seizure.” 
    Id. (footnote omitted)
    (stating that the free-to-leave
    standard “should not be given such a literal reading”). We must therefore look to the
    Supreme Court’s application of the test for more specific guidance.
    In some circumstances it is obvious that officers, without uttering any words, are
    exercising their authority—ordering compliance from civilians. It should be no surprise
    that the Supreme Court has held that use of a roadblock or emergency lights ordinarily
    constitutes a seizure. See, e.g., Brower v. County of Inyo, 
    489 U.S. 593
    , 599 (1989)
    (seizure where vehicle stopped by police roadblock); United States v. Cortez, 
    449 U.S. 411
    , 415, 417 (1981) (seizure where vehicle intercepted with emergency lights).
    Likewise, there is generally a seizure when officers retain the civilian’s property with no
    indication that he or she can have it back before complying with the officers’ requests. In
    Florida v. Royer, 
    460 U.S. 491
    , 493‒94 (1983) (prevailing plurality opinion by Justice
    White), two plainclothes detectives had an encounter with the defendant in an airport
    concourse. While it was permissible for the detectives to approach and question the
    defendant, and to request and examine his driver’s license and plane ticket, the prevailing
    plurality of the Court held that there was a seizure once “the officers identified
    themselves as narcotics agents, told [the defendant] that he was suspected of transporting
    narcotics, and asked him to accompany them to the police room, while retaining his ticket
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    and driver’s license and without indicating in any way that he was free to depart.” 
    Id. at 501.
    On the other hand, “[Supreme Court] cases make it clear that a seizure does not
    occur simply because a police officer approaches an individual and asks a few questions.”
    
    Bostick, 501 U.S. at 434
    . And the Court has explained that the free-to-leave standard
    does not require that the average person be equally likely to stay or leave:
    While most citizens will respond to a police request, the fact that people do so, and
    do so without being told they are free not to respond, hardly eliminates the
    consensual nature of the response. Unless the circumstances of the encounter are
    so intimidating as to demonstrate that a reasonable person would have believed he
    was not free to leave if he had not responded, one cannot say that the questioning
    resulted in the detention under the Fourth Amendment.
    I.N.S. v. Delgado, 
    466 U.S. 210
    , 216 (1984) (citations omitted). The Supreme Court has
    thus granted wide latitude for police attempts at voluntary contact. In Delgado the Court
    considered “factory surveys” by immigration agents. 
    Id. at 212.
    The majority did not
    dispute the following description in Justice Brennan’s opinion dissenting on the seizure
    issue:
    First, as the respondents explained, the surveys were carried out by surprise
    by relatively large numbers of agents, generally from 15 to 25, who moved
    systematically through the rows of workers who were seated at their work
    stations. Second, as the INS agents discovered persons whom they
    suspected of being illegal aliens, they would handcuff these persons and
    lead them away to waiting vans outside the factory. Third, all of the factory
    exits were conspicuously guarded by INS agents, stationed there to prevent
    anyone from leaving while the survey was being conducted. Finally, as the
    INS agents moved through the rows of workers, they would show their
    badges and direct pointed questions at the workers.
    
    Id. at 230
    (Brennan, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part) (citations omitted). In
    Justice Brennan’s view, it was “simply fantastic to conclude that a reasonable person
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    could ignore all that was occurring throughout the factory and . . . have the temerity to
    believe that he was at liberty to refuse to answer their questions and walk away.” 
    Id. But the
    Court held that the factory workers were not seized. 
    Id. at 218.
    It discounted the
    dissenters’ concern with the stationing of agents near factory exits because the
    restrictions on the workers’ freedom to move were a result of their work obligations and
    the workers “were not prevented by the agents from moving about the factories.” 
    Id. The presence
    of agents at the doors was merely “to insure that all persons in the factories
    were questioned.” 
    Id. “This conduct
    should have given [the workers] no reason to
    believe that they would be detained if they gave truthful answers to the questions put to
    them or if they simply refused to answer.” 
    Id. And “the
    mere possibility that they would
    be questioned if they sought to leave the buildings should not have resulted in any
    reasonable apprehension by any of them that they would be seized or detained in any
    meaningful way.” 
    Id. at 219.
    In Michigan v. Chesternut, 
    486 U.S. 567
    (1988), the Supreme Court found no
    seizure even though the officers were clearly intent on speaking to the defendant. When
    the defendant saw officers in a police cruiser approaching an intersection, he promptly
    turned and began to run. 
    Id. at 569.
    The cruiser caught up to him and drove alongside
    him. 
    Id. The Court
    acknowledged that “[w]hile the very presence of a police car driving
    parallel to a running pedestrian could be somewhat intimidating, this kind of police
    presence does not, standing alone, constitute a seizure.” 
    Id. at 575.
    It noted that there
    was nothing in the record reflecting “that the police activated a siren or flashers; or that
    they commanded [the defendant] to halt, or displayed any weapons; or that they operated
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    the car in an aggressive manner to block [the defendant’s] course or otherwise control the
    direction or speed of his movement.” 
    Id. Thus, “the
    police conduct involved here would
    not have communicated to the reasonable person an attempt to capture or otherwise
    intrude upon [the defendant’s] freedom of movement.” 
    Id. at 575.
    The conduct was not
    “so intimidating that [the defendant] could reasonably have believed that he was not free
    to disregard the police presence and go about his business.” 
    Id. at 576
    (internal quotation
    marks omitted).
    A third informative opinion is United States. v. Drayton, 
    536 U.S. 194
    (2002).
    Three police officers boarded a bus as part of a routine drug and weapons interdiction.
    
    Id. at 197.
    One knelt on the front driver’s seat and faced the rear; he did not block the
    aisle or otherwise obstruct the bus exit. 
    Id. at 197‒98.
    A second officer was at the rear of
    the bus, facing forward. 
    Id. at 198.
    The third worked his way from the back toward the
    front of the bus, speaking individually with the passengers as he went. 
    Id. The Court
    stated that “the traditional rule, which states that a seizure does not occur so long as a
    reasonable person would feel free to disregard the police and go about his business, is not
    an accurate measure of the coercive effect of a bus encounter.” 
    Id. at 201
    (internal
    quotation marks omitted). The passenger’s freedom of movement might be confined in
    that he or she may not want to leave the bus because of the risk that it would depart
    without him or her, “but this is the natural result of choosing to take the bus; it says
    nothing about whether the police conduct is coercive.” 
    Id. at 201
    –02. The proper test,
    then, should be “whether a reasonable person would feel free to decline the officers’
    requests or otherwise terminate the encounter.” 
    Id. at 202.
    Under that test, there was no
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    seizure. See 
    id. at 203.
    The encounter was not coercive because “[t]here was no
    application of force, no intimidating movement, no overwhelming show of force, no
    brandishing of weapons, no blocking of exits, no threat, no command, not even an
    authoritative tone of voice.” 
    Id. at 204.
    That the officers wore sidearms was of no
    importance; it is well-known that officers are usually armed, so “[t]he presence of a
    holstered firearm . . . is unlikely to contribute to the coerciveness of the encounter
    absent active brandishing of the weapon.” 
    Id. at 205.
    As in Delgado, the Court
    recognized that few passengers in that circumstance would refuse to cooperate. But they
    do so not because of coercion but because they “know that their participation enhances
    their own safety and the safety of those around them.” 
    Id. at 205.
    The common thread in these cases is that a reasonable person would not feel
    coerced when officers are simply engaging in reasonable actions to conduct a consensual
    encounter. The operation may require multiple officers so that they can safely engage
    with what may be a number of people (as in Delgado and Drayton) and they may even
    stand at exits so they can be sure that they have the chance to address everyone present
    (again, as in Delgado and Drayton). But if the officers are not taking actions inconsistent
    with seeking a consensual encounter—such as using a siren or emergency lights,
    brandishing weapons, or speaking peremptorily—a reasonable person would feel free to
    refuse to cooperate.
    Justice Stewart offered a few factors supporting the finding of a seizure in his
    opinion in 
    Mendenhall, 446 U.S. at 554
    : “the threatening presence of several officers, the
    display of a weapon by an officer, some physical touching of the person of the citizen, or
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    the use of language or tone of voice indicating that compliance with the officer’s request
    might be compelled.” But none of those factors is independently dispositive. “[W]hat
    constitutes a restraint on liberty prompting a person to conclude that he is not free to
    ‘leave’ will vary . . . with the setting in which the conduct occurs.” 
    Chesternut, 486 U.S. at 573
    . We must “assess the coercive effect of police conduct, taken as a whole, rather
    than to focus on particular details of that conduct in isolation.” 
    Id. On the
    only occasion
    on which the Supreme Court invoked the factors recited by Justice Stewart in Mendenhall
    to find a seizure, the Court said that there was “evidence of every one of the probative
    circumstances mentioned”; and there was more besides. Kaupp v. Texas, 
    538 U.S. 626
    ,
    631 (2003) (17-year-old boy was awakened in his bedroom by at least three officers,
    taken out in handcuffs in his underwear in January, and driven away in a patrol car).
    What is the context here? Six officers were patrolling at night a dimly lit location
    known for violence and criminal activity. Their number was prudent, given the safety
    risk and the advantages of being able to approach several persons across a sizable parking
    lot at the same time. They used their lights to illuminate the interiors of vehicles so that
    they could see whether the vehicles were occupied and, if so, what was going on. When
    they saw someone, they approached in pairs. They did not turn on their emergency
    lights, brandish weapons, establish a checkpoint, or issue orders. If there is a less
    “intrusive” way to safely and effectively patrol such an area and conduct consensual
    interviews, it is not apparent to me. If reasonable suspicion is necessary to conduct such
    an operation, then officers could likely patrol such a location only after a reliable report
    of a criminal offense.
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    Considered in that light, the reasonable person contemplated by Supreme Court
    precedent would understand that the police were not compelling anyone to do anything.
    The person would not feel coerced by the police activity and “would feel free to decline
    the officers’ requests or otherwise terminate the encounter.” 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 255
    (internal quotation marks omitted). True, almost any innocent person approached by
    officers in this situation would feel like complying. But that was equally true on the
    factory floors in Delgado and the bus in Drayton. What is missing here is any police
    conduct that conveys compulsion. I fail to see how, as the dissent puts it, “the officers
    specifically targeted [Defendant’s] vehicle immediately upon arriving in the parking lot,”
    Dissent at 7, any more than the officers “specifically targeted” the first person they
    questioned in Delgado or Drayton. Officers checking out a large gathering (such as cars
    in a parking lot) have to start somewhere.
    As already noted, the mere presence of multiple officers is not in itself coercive,
    and in any event here the district court found that Defendant was not aware of the
    presence of any officers other than Officer Stephens and Sergeant Anderson. See R. at 51
    n.3 (“There is no basis in the evidence for finding that the other squad cars that pulled
    into other parts of the parking lot contributed, in any way that is significant for present
    purposes, to the defendant’s perception of his situation [.]”).
    Further, as we have held, there is no seizure when an officer merely approaches a
    person seated in a vehicle to ask what he is doing and requests a driver’s license. See
    United States v. Madden, 
    682 F.3d 920
    , 925 (10th Cir. 2012); see also United States v.
    Griffith, 
    533 F.3d 979
    , 981, 983 (8th Cir. 2008) (no seizure when one officer approached
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    window of parked car to speak with driver while other walked around to the back for
    safety); United States v. Taylor, 
    511 F.3d 87
    , 91‒92 (1st Cir. 2007) (no seizure when
    officers parked behind car and approached driver’s window); United States v. Williams,
    
    413 F.3d 347
    , 352 (3d Cir. 2005) (no seizure when officers drove up to parked van and
    then approached it on foot); United States v. Kim, 
    25 F.3d 1426
    , 1430 (9th Cir. 1994)
    (“[W]here . . . officers come upon an already parked car, th[e] disparity between
    automobile and pedestrian stops dissipates and the driver is not clearly stopped in any
    sense ab initio, except of his own volition.”).
    The use of a floodlight to illuminate the vehicle, as opposed to turning on
    emergency lights, also was not coercive. Other circuits have agreed that shining a light
    into a vehicle does not transform a consensual encounter into a seizure. See, e.g., United
    States v. Mabery, 
    686 F.3d 591
    , 597 (8th Cir. 2012) (“In this case, the act of shining a
    spotlight on [the defendant’s] vehicle from the street was certainly no more intrusive (and
    arguably less so) than knocking on the vehicle’s window.”)); United States v.
    Washington, 
    490 F.3d 765
    , 770 (9th Cir. 2007) (no seizure when officer approached and
    shined flashlight into car); United States v. Douglass, 
    467 F.3d 621
    , 623‒24 (7th Cir.
    2006) (no seizure when officers parked in front of defendant’s car, approached car from
    two sides, and shined flashlights into the car); see also United States v. Clements, 
    522 F.3d 790
    , 792, 794 (7th Cir. 2008) (no seizure when “officers shined a spotlight on the
    [parked] Oldsmobile and activated their flashing red and blue lights [to alert the car’s
    occupants that they were going to approach the vehicle]” (internal quotation marks
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    omitted) (emphasis added)). Were the officers supposed to check out the parking lot in
    the dark?
    Finally, the approach of the officers toward the front of Defendant’s car was not
    coercive. To begin with, it is not clear that it was possible for the officers to approach
    from any other direction— Defendant had parked the car so that it was blocked on all
    other sides. The officers’ “resolute[]” approach, R. at 54, signaled no more than that they
    wished to talk with Defendant. In ordinary social intercourse, one typically approaches
    another person head on when initiating a conversation. Doing so does not signal that you
    will not give way if the other person so requests. The officers’ walking toward the front
    of Defendant’s vehicle is less coercive than the guarding of the factory exits by
    immigration agents in Delgado or the officer’s standing in the aisle while questioning bus
    passengers in Drayton.
    I would hold that under the Supreme Court’s reasonable-person approach, there
    was no seizure during the officers’ initial approach to Defendant’s car. Their routine
    actions in pursuit of consensual conversations, taken separately or as a whole, did not
    convey that they were directing (coercing) Defendant into remaining where he was and
    engaging in conversation with them. By the time the officers drew their weapons, they
    had reasonable suspicion to support their action. Therefore, I concur in the affirmance of
    the district court.
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    16-6136, United States v. Roberson
    MORITZ, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    I agree with the lead opinion that this case turns on the timing of Roberson’s
    seizure. And I agree that the timing of Roberson’s seizure turns on the timing of his
    submission. But I disagree with the lead opinion’s conclusion that Roberson didn’t
    submit—and that the officers therefore didn’t seize him—until he put his hands on his
    steering wheel. Instead, I would hold that the officers seized Roberson within the first
    few seconds after the Gang Enforcement Unit, rolling four patrol cars and six officers
    deep, converged on Slick Willie’s parking lot.
    After parking their patrol car directly in front of Roberson’s car, two of those four
    officers immediately “lit [his car] up with” disorienting takedown lights and spotlights, R.
    vol. 3, 16, and aggressively approached his car in a manner that blocked his exit path.
    Rather than fleeing in response to this forceful police presence, Roberson submitted to it
    by remaining seated in his parked car. In my view, at that point, Roberson was seized.
    And because, at that point, the officers admittedly had no suspicion—let alone reasonable
    suspicion—that Roberson was engaged in criminal activity, I would reverse and remand
    with directions to suppress the evidence obtained through his unlawful seizure.
    I
    The lead opinion is correct that the timing of Roberson’s seizure turns on the
    timing of his submission. Lead Op. 12-13; see Brendlin v. California, 
    551 U.S. 249
    , 254
    (2007) (“A police officer may make a seizure by a show of authority and without the use
    of physical force, but there is no seizure without actual submission . . . .”). But I decline
    to shortcut the analysis by assuming, rather than deciding, that the officers exhibited a
    show of authority.
    Determining the nature of the show of authority is a critical step in determining
    when Roberson submitted. 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 262
    (emphasizing that “what may
    amount to submission depends on what a person was doing before the show of authority;
    a fleeing man is not seized until he is physically overpowered, but one sitting in a chair
    may submit to authority by not getting up to run away”); United States v. Lowe, 
    791 F.3d 424
    , 430-31 (3d Cir. 2015) (explaining that submission question “depends on both the
    nature of the show of authority [and] the suspect’s conduct at the moment the officer
    asserted his or her authority”). And because the nature of the show of authority here
    effectively commanded Roberson—the stationary occupant of a parked car—to stay put, I
    would conclude that Brendlin rather than United States v. Salazar, 
    609 F.3d 1059
    (10th
    Cir. 2010), and United States v. Mosley, 
    743 F.3d 1317
    (10th Cir. 2014), informs the
    submission analysis. Guided by Brendlin, I would conclude that Roberson immediately
    submitted to the officers’ initial show of authority by remaining seated in his car.
    A
    A show of authority occurs when an officer’s words and actions would convey to a
    reasonable person that the officer is ordering the individual to restrict his or her
    movements. California v. Hodari D., 
    499 U.S. 621
    , 628 (1991). To determine whether a
    show of authority has occurred, we sometimes ask whether, viewing all of the
    “circumstances surrounding the incident, a reasonable person would have believed that he
    was not free to leave.” 
    Id. (quoting United
    States v. Mendenhall, 
    446 U.S. 544
    , 554
    2
    (1980) (Stewart, J., concurring)). But “when a person ‘has no desire to leave’ for reasons
    unrelated to the police presence,” the more relevant question is “whether ‘a reasonable
    person would feel free to decline the officers’ requests or otherwise terminate the
    encounter.’” 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 255
    (quoting Florida v. Bostick, 
    501 U.S. 429
    , 435-36
    (1991)).
    Under either of these formulations, we consider various factors—e.g., the location
    of the encounter, the number of officers involved, the nature of the officers’ commands,
    the activation of sirens or lights, and the officers’ attire and display of weapons—to
    measure the coercive effect of the encounter. See United States v. Hernandez, 
    847 F.3d 1257
    , 1264 (10th Cir. 2017) (listing non-exclusive factors); United States v. Little, 
    18 F.3d 1499
    , 1504 (10th Cir. 1994) (noting that courts focus on “‘the coercive effect of
    police conduct, taken as a whole,’ on a reasonable person” (quoting Michigan v.
    Chesternut, 
    486 U.S. 567
    , 573 (1988))).
    Here, the record amply demonstrates the officers’ initial actions would have
    conveyed to a reasonable person in Roberson’s situation that he wasn’t free to leave or
    otherwise terminate the encounter. The Gang Enforcement Unit—six officers in four
    marked Oklahoma City patrol cars—converged in a “wolf-pack” technique on Slick
    Willie’s parking lot. R. vol. 3, 101. Two officers parked one patrol car 15 feet from the
    front of Roberson’s car (the first occupied car they saw), while a second patrol car parked
    “[c]loser to” his car. 
    Id. at 64.
    The first patrol car beamed spotlights and bright takedown
    lights through Roberson’s windshield, and two armed, uniformed officers got out of that
    patrol car and “[w]alked toward the front of [Roberson’s] car via a route that inhibited
    3
    [his] ability to leave.” R. vol. 1, 55. At that point, no reasonable person in Roberson’s
    situation would have believed that either getting out of the car and walking away or
    otherwise terminating the encounter was an option.
    The district court concluded otherwise. But in doing so, it misapplied two basic
    Fourth Amendment principles. The district court stated that it found “no basis in the
    evidence for a finding that the other squad cars that pulled into other parts of the parking
    lot contributed, in any way that is significant for present purposes, to the defendant’s
    perception of his situation.” R. vol. 1, 51 n.3. My colleagues treat this as a factual finding
    and accept it. See Lead Op. 20 & n.15; Concurring Op. 1-2; see also United States v.
    Moran, 
    503 F.3d 1135
    , 1139 (10th Cir. 2007) (“[W]e accept the district court’s factual
    findings . . . unless they are clearly erroneous.” (quoting United States v. Harris, 
    313 F.3d 1228
    , 1233 (10th Cir. 2002))).
    But I view the district court’s refusal to consider the presence of the other patrol
    cars as a legal conclusion, and an erroneous one at that. Critically, the district court
    announced its factual findings at the end of the suppression hearing and, before doing so,
    advised both parties that they would “be stuck with [those] facts.” R. vol. 3, 99. The court
    then found that “several officers arrived in separate cars,” that “there [were] a total of
    four cars that had a total of six officers in them,” and that the officers employed a “wolf-
    pack sort of technique.” R. vol. 3, 101. And the court found credible Annette Byers’
    testimony that “[a]nother police car approached from the east” after the patrol car with
    “bright lights appeared and pulled up near the front of [Roberson’s] car.” 
    Id. at 107-08.
    In fact, Byers testified that “possibly three police officers pulled up in different cars,” and
    4
    that after the first car with lights parked in front of Roberson’s car, a second car parked
    “[c]loser to the white car”—i.e., Roberson’s car. 
    Id. at 61,
    64. Byers later reiterated that
    two patrol cars were “parked in front” of Roberson’s car. 
    Id. at 71.
    The court also found
    Sergeant Stephens’ “account of the matter . . . credible.” 
    Id. at 109.
    And while Stephens
    testified that he didn’t remember the location of the other officers’ patrol cars, he also
    testified that it was “possible” Lieutenant Anderson (not Sergeant Anderson) “would
    have driven his vehicle around to . . . meet” Stephens’ patrol car. 
    Id. at 37.
    By stating in its subsequent written order that the presence of multiple patrol cars
    didn’t contribute “significantly” to Roberson’s perception of the situation, R. vol. 1, 51
    n.3, the district court misapplied Fourth Amendment principles. First, by considering
    only the actions of two officers in one patrol car, the court unduly narrowed its view of
    the totality of the circumstances. See 
    Chesternut, 486 U.S. at 573
    (noting that courts must
    “assess the coercive effect of police conduct, taken as a whole, rather than . . . focus on
    particular details of that conduct in isolation”). Second, by suggesting that Roberson’s
    subjective perception of the events played a role in its analysis, the court failed to apply
    the proper perspective. See Hodari 
    D., 499 U.S. at 628
    (“[T]he test for existence of a
    ‘show of authority’ is an objective one: not whether the citizen perceived that he was
    being ordered to restrict his movement, but whether the officer’s words and actions
    would have conveyed that to a reasonable person.” (emphasis added)).1
    1
    Even if I could join my colleagues in treating the district court’s legal conclusion
    as a factual finding, I would reject it as clearly erroneous. As discussed, the district court
    expressly found that multiple patrol cars converged on the parking lot. And Byers’
    5
    The concurring opinion nonetheless follows the district court’s errant path and
    reaches the same conclusion, i.e., that “[n]othing [the two officers] did amounted to an
    assertion of authority.” Concurring Op. 2. The concurring opinion recognizes the proper
    test for determining if a show of authority occurred is “whether a reasonable innocent
    person ‘would feel free to decline the officers’ requests or otherwise terminate the
    encounter.’” 
    Id. at 3
    (quoting 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 255
    ). But the concurring opinion then
    posits that “[i]t is hardly obvious . . . how to determine whether a reasonable innocent
    person would feel free to leave or to decline a request” because, according to the
    concurring opinion, “most people will not ‘feel’ free to leave or refuse a request when
    confronted by a police officer.” 
    Id. I don’t
    disagree that, in many cases, the answer to the question of whether a
    reasonable person would feel free to terminate an encounter with one or more officers is
    “hardly obvious.” 
    Id. But in
    this case “it is obvious that [the] officers, without uttering
    any words, [were] exercising their authority—ordering compliance from [Roberson].” 
    Id. at 4.
    The officers descended upon the parking lot en masse, and two officers specifically
    targeted the occupants of the first car they saw, parked their patrol car directly in front of
    that car, beamed disorienting spotlights and takedown lights toward that car, and
    testimony supports that she was aware of their presence. But the district court didn’t find,
    and there is no evidence to support, that Roberson—who was seated next to Byers in his
    car—was unaware of the other patrol cars. See 
    Hernandez, 847 F.3d at 1263
    (10th Cir.
    2017) (“A finding of fact is clearly erroneous if it is without factual support in the record
    or if, after reviewing all of the evidence, we are left with the definite and firm conviction
    that a mistake has been made.” (quoting In re Vaughn, 
    765 F.3d 1174
    , 1180 (10th Cir.
    2014))). Rather, the court simply asserted that the presence of the other patrol cars didn’t
    “contribute[] . . . to [Roberson’s] perception of his situation.” R. vol. 1, 51 n.3.
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    “walk[ed] toward the front of th[at] car via a route that inhibited [Roberson’s] ability to
    leave.” R. vol. 1, 55.
    What is not so obvious is how the concurring opinion finds the three primary cases
    it discusses—I.N.S. v. Delgado, 
    466 U.S. 210
    (1984); Michigan v. Chesternut, 
    486 U.S. 567
    (1988); and United States v. Drayton, 
    536 U.S. 194
    (2002)—“informative” with
    respect to these circumstances. Concurring Op. 7. Delgado and Drayton both involved
    multiple officers attempting “voluntary contact,” 
    id. at 5,
    with random individuals
    situated among larger groups of individuals. I don’t doubt that a reasonable person might
    feel less intimidated when he or she is one among many workers in a large factory, see
    
    Delgado, 466 U.S. at 230
    (Brennan, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part), or one
    among many passengers on a public bus, see 
    Drayton, 536 U.S. at 198
    . But here, there
    was no large group of other individuals to dilute the coercive effect of the officers’
    actions. Roberson was one among two occupants in his private vehicle. And the officers
    specifically targeted his vehicle immediately upon arriving in the parking lot. Neither
    Delgado nor Drayton speaks to these circumstances.
    The third case, Chesternut, did involve officers targeting a specific 
    individual. 486 U.S. at 569
    . But the similarities between Chesternut and this case begin and end there. In
    Chesternut, the defendant saw a police car approaching the intersection where he was
    standing and ran the other way. 
    Id. The officer
    s caught up with him and drove their patrol
    car alongside him as he continued running. 
    Id. As the
    concurring opinion points out, the
    Court found nothing in the record in that case to show that the officers used sirens or
    flashing lights, commanded the defendant to halt, or “operated the car in an aggressive
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    manner to block [the defendant’s] course or otherwise control the direction or speed of
    his movement.” Concurring Op. 6-7 (alteration in original) (quoting 
    Chesternut, 486 U.S. at 575
    ). Here though, Roberson was seated in his parked car when six police officers in
    four patrol cars converged on the parking lot; one patrol car parked directly in front of
    Roberson’s car and trained its bright takedown lights and spotlights on his car; and two
    officers approached his parked car in a manner that inhibited his ability to drive away. To
    be fair, the officers here, like the officers in Chesternut, didn’t explicitly command
    Roberson to halt. But it would make little sense for them to do so given that Roberson
    was seated in his parked car. Thus, like Delgado and Drayton, Chesternut bears little
    resemblance to this case.
    Finally, the concurring opinion adopts a piecemeal approach to evaluating whether
    the officers exhibited a show of authority: it reasons that neither the presence of multiple
    officers, nor their action in “merely approach[ing]” Roberson’s car to talk to him,
    Concurring Op. at 10, nor their “use of a floodlight to illuminate the vehicle,” 
    id. at 11,
    nor their manner of approaching the front of Roberson’s blocked-in vehicle was coercive.
    It’s true, but unremarkable, that “there is no seizure when an officer merely
    approaches a person seated in a vehicle to ask what he is doing and requests a driver’s
    license.” 
    Id. at 10.
    And I don’t dispute that other circuits have concluded “that shining a
    light into a vehicle does not transform a consensual encounter into a seizure.” 
    Id. at 11.
    But the show-of-authority analysis requires us to consider “the coercive effect of police
    conduct, taken as a whole”—not in bits and pieces. 
    Chesternut, 486 U.S. at 573
    . Thus,
    rather than sift through cases that each address only one or two of the circumstances that
    8
    exist here,2 I consider collectively all of the circumstances present. And doing so leads
    me to disagree with the concurring opinion’s conclusion that the officers’ conduct in this
    case, taken as a whole, “signaled no more than that they wished to talk with [Roberson],”
    or equates to “ordinary social intercourse.” Concurring Op. 12. Instead, the officers’
    conduct was a show of authority.
    The only remaining question, therefore, is when Roberson submitted to that show
    of authority. And the answer to that question turns on how he submitted.
    B
    The lead opinion cites Brendlin for the proposition that “[a] show of authority
    alone is not a seizure ‘without actual submission.’” Lead. Op. 8 (quoting Brendlin, 551
    2
    For example, the concurring opinion cites United States v. Mabery, 
    686 F.3d 591
    (8th Cir. 2012), and United States v. Douglass, 
    467 F.3d 621
    (7th Cir. 2006) for the
    proposition that shining a spotlight on a parked car doesn’t constitute a seizure.
    Concurring Op. 11. True enough. But in Mabery, one patrol car stopped near a parking
    lot entrance and shined a spotlight on the defendant’s car from the street. Beyond that, the
    two officers in the patrol car “did nothing else that would support a demonstration of
    
    authority.” 686 F.3d at 597
    . Moreover, even if the court had found a show of authority in
    Mabery, the defendant didn’t submit to it; he “dropped his contraband and fled the
    police.” 
    Id. That isn’t
    what happened here. Douglass is likewise dissimilar. There, two
    patrol officers responded to a possible assault in a parking lot. Armed with an address, a
    specific description of the vehicle believed to be involved, and the license plate number
    of that vehicle, the officers found the suspect vehicle, parked their patrol car directly in
    front of it and—with one officer on each side—approached the 
    car. 467 F.3d at 622
    . One
    officer asked the man seated in the driver’s seat for identification. 
    Id. At the
    same time,
    the second officer shined a flashlight into the car, saw ammunition, and shouted “‘10-32,’
    the police code for a gun.” 
    Id. The first
    officer drew his gun and ordered the man out of
    the car, but the man “seemed to be looking around[,] possibly for an escape route,” and
    refused to get out of the car. 
    Id. Like the
    officers, the man then found what he was
    looking for: he put his car in gear, drove around the patrol car, and fled the parking lot.
    
    Id. at 622-23.
    Each of these cases shares some similarities with this one, but not enough
    to offer any meaningful 
    guidance. 9 U.S. at 254
    ). I agree. But, after a brief nod to Brendlin, the lead opinion builds its
    submission analysis around Salazar and Mosley. In doing so, the lead opinion
    (1) disregards Brendlin’s guidance that an individual can submit to a show of authority
    through passive acquiescence and (2) overlooks a critical distinction between the show of
    force here and the show of force in Mosley.
    In Brendlin, the question before the Court was “whether a traffic stop subjects a
    passenger . . . to [a] Fourth Amendment seizure.” 
    Id. at 254.
    The Brendlin Court
    answered that question in the affirmative, holding that a traffic stop seizes a passenger of
    a stopped car just as it seizes a driver. 
    Id. at 251.
    In reaching that conclusion, the Court
    rejected the notion that a passenger can’t be seized by a traffic stop simply because he or
    she has no ability to signal submission to the officer’s command to stop the car. 
    Id. at 261-62.
    Specifically, the Court acknowledged that while the vehicle in which the
    defendant was a passenger was moving, the defendant “had no effective way to signal
    submission.” 
    Id. at 262.
    But the Court concluded that once the car “came to a stop,” the
    defendant “could, and apparently did, submit by staying inside.” 
    Id. Critically, the
    Court emphasized that “what may amount to submission depends on
    what a person was doing before the show of authority; a fleeing man is not seized until he
    is physically overpowered, but one sitting in a chair may submit to authority by not
    getting up to run away.” 
    Id. And the
    Court explained that “when an individual’s
    submission to a show of governmental authority takes the form of passive acquiescence,”
    the “test for telling when a seizure occurs” is the Mendenhall/Bostick test. 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 255
    .
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    Applying that test, the Court determined that the officers seized the defendant
    when they effected the traffic stop because (1) “any reasonable passenger would have
    understood the police officers to be exercising control to the point that no one in the car
    was free to depart without police permission,” 
    id. at 257,
    and (2) the defendant submitted
    through passive acquiescence by remaining inside the car during the traffic stop, 
    id. at 262.
    Here, as discussed, the officers’ initial show of authority implicitly commanded
    Roberson—the stationary occupant of a parked car—to stay put. Thus, Brendlin informs
    the submission analysis. See, e.g., United States v. Stover, 
    808 F.3d 991
    , 1001-02 (4th
    Cir. 2015) (Gregory, J., dissenting) (reasoning that Brendlin’s “passive acquiescence test”
    applied to determine when officers seized occupant of parked car); United States v.
    Jones, 
    562 F.3d 768
    , 774 & n.3 (6th Cir. 2009) (applying Brendlin to determine if
    occupants of car that was “hemmed in” by two police vehicles submitted to show of
    authority).
    And applying Brendlin, I would conclude that Roberson immediately submitted to
    the officers’ command through passive acquiescence by remaining seated in his parked
    car in response to the command to stay put, rather than attempting to flee on foot or run
    over the approaching officers by driving away. Compare 
    Lowe, 791 F.3d at 433
    (citing
    Brendlin for proposition that “responding to a show of authority by staying put is a means
    of passively submitting to that authority”), with 
    Jones, 562 F.3d at 774
    (applying
    Brendlin and concluding that defendant didn’t submit because he “did not passively
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    acquiesce; he did not remain seated in the Nissan . . . . Rather, he opened the car door and
    ‘jumped out’ as though he wanted to run”).
    But the lead opinion disregards Brendlin’s guidance on submission through
    passive acquiescence. Rather than applying the Mendenhall/Bostick test, the lead opinion
    applies a slightly different one. It states, “Actual submission depends on ‘the view of a
    reasonable law enforcement officer’ under ‘the totality of the circumstances.’” Lead Op.
    8 (quoting 
    Salazar, 609 F.3d at 1064
    -65); see also 
    id. at 15
    (“[W]hether and when an
    individual submits to a show of authority turns on the perception of a reasonable officer,
    not that of the individual.”). But the Mendenhall/Bostick test says nothing about
    analyzing submission from a reasonable officer’s view. See 
    Brendlin, 551 U.S. at 255
    (explaining the relevant test for determining whether the defendant submitted through
    passive acquiescence is “whether ‘a reasonable person would feel free to decline the
    officers’ requests or otherwise terminate the encounter’” (quoting 
    Bostick, 501 U.S. at 436
    )).
    I agree that this court adopted a “reasonable officer” test in Salazar. 
    See 609 F.3d at 1065
    (“[W]e consider whether a citizen has submitted to authority by examining the
    view of a reasonable law enforcement officer under the circumstances.” (citing United
    States v. Cardoza, 
    129 F.3d 6
    , 14 n.4 (1st Cir. 1997))). And I recognize that we are bound
    by Salazar. But I nevertheless question its basis for adopting such a test. Significantly,
    Salazar cited Cardoza for support. See 
    id. But Cardoza
    said only, “[G]iven the generally
    objective standards employed in Fourth Amendment seizure analysis, we would see little
    reason to inquire into the subjective intent of the detainee in making the determination
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    whether or not he or she has ‘submitted to’ a show of authority.” 
    Cardoza, 129 F.3d at 14
    n.4.
    It simply doesn’t follow from the fact that we don’t inquire into the detainee’s
    subjective intent that we must therefore necessarily inquire into a reasonable officer’s
    view of the circumstances. Moreover, we appear to be the only circuit that has explicitly
    adopted this “reasonable officer” test. See 
    Stover, 808 F.3d at 1006-07
    (Gregory, J.,
    dissenting) (criticizing Salazar as “troubling precedent,” noting that “the Tenth Circuit
    has offered no analytical basis for its ‘reasonable officer’ rule,” and pointing out that no
    other circuit has explicitly adopted it).
    In addition to adding the Salazar gloss to the Mendenhall/Bostick test, the lead
    opinion opts to follow Mosley while overlooking a critical distinction between the show
    of force there and the one in this case. In Mosley, two officers responding to an
    anonymous tip approached a parked car in a Denny’s parking 
    lot. 743 F.3d at 1321
    . The
    officers took the occupants of the car by surprise, and, with weapons drawn, immediately
    commanded the occupants to show their hands. 
    Id. One occupant
    complied. But the
    defendant did not—at least, not immediately. Instead, he “hesitated briefly,” “began
    making furtive motions,” and ignored the officers’ repeated commands before eventually
    complying. 
    Id. In determining
    when the defendant was seized in Mosley, we reasoned that “the
    officers clearly showed their authority by raising their weapons and shouting ‘hands up,’
    but [d]efendant—although he may have frozen momentarily out of confusion—did not
    immediately manifest compliance with their orders.” 
    Id. at 1327.
    And we suggested that
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    had the defendant “simply sat still in response to the officer’s commands and allowed
    himself to be seized from the outset, the seizure may not have been valid.” 
    Id. But we
    held that the defendant, by making furtive motions and therefore acting “directly contrary
    to the officers’ commands,” “did not manifest submission.” 
    Id. Thus, we
    concluded that
    the officers didn’t seize the defendant until he “manifested compliance with the officers’
    orders—when he put his hands up.” 
    Id. The lead
    opinion applies Mosley’s reasoning to conclude that Roberson didn’t
    submit, and therefore wasn’t seized, until he complied with the officers’ commands to
    show his hands by placing his hands on the steering wheel. Lead Op. 17. But in doing so,
    the lead opinion overlooks a critical distinction between the show of force here and the
    show of force in Mosley. Here, the officers didn’t sneak up on Roberson and catch him by
    surprise, as did the officers in Mosley. Nor did they immediately order him to show his
    hands. Instead, after the officers here forcefully made their presence known, Roberson
    had at least a few seconds to process that several patrol cars had entered the parking lot,
    one patrol car had pinpointed him by shining bright lights on his car, and two officers
    were aggressively approaching his car. Because this show of authority was an implicit
    command for Roberson to stay put—not an immediate and explicit command for
    Roberson to show his hands3—and because Roberson complied with that order, Mosley’s
    3
    The lead opinion characterizes this distinction as immaterial. Lead Op. 21-22.
    But this distinction is key. As I’ve stated, the officers in Mosley approached the car in
    which the defendant was a passenger, drew their guns, and explicitly ordered the
    defendant to raise his 
    hands. 743 F.3d at 1321
    , 1327. Here, the officers approached
    Roberson’s car with a show of authority that effectively, albeit implicitly, ordered
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    submission analysis simply doesn’t apply here. See 
    Mosley, 743 F.3d at 1326
    (emphasizing that in order to submit to show of authority, individual must comply with
    police orders).
    Finally, relying on Mosley, the lead opinion makes much of Roberson’s stuffing
    motions. But I see no reason to consider them. Unlike the defendant in Mosley, who made
    stuffing motions in direct defiance of an explicit command to put his hands up, Roberson
    made those motions only after he submitted to the officers’ initial command to stay put
    and, critically, before the officers ever commanded him to raise his hands.4 In short, the
    officers’ initial show of authority ordered Roberson to stay put. And he did. Their
    command and Roberson’s immediate compliance with it constituted a seizure. Thus, I
    Roberson to remain in place. But they didn’t immediately order him to raise his hands.
    Thus, Roberson complied with the officers’ initial implied order to remain in place,
    whereas the defendant in Mosley directly disobeyed the officers’ initial order to raise his
    hands. 
    Mosley, 743 F.3d at 1327
    .
    4
    Notably, even the defendant in Brendlin didn’t remain frozen in place after he
    submitted to the show of authority by remaining seated inside the stopped vehicle in
    which he was a passenger. Instead, he “briefly open[ed] and then close[d] the passenger
    door” in full view of the officer conducting the traffic 
    stop. 551 U.S. at 252
    . Yet in
    concluding that the defendant in Brendlin submitted by remaining inside the stopped car,
    
    id. at 262,
    the Court summarily dismissed the state court’s suggestion that the defendant’s
    movements signaled he was “awar[e] of the available options,” i.e., the options to not
    submit, either by leaving or otherwise ignoring the officers’ commands. 
    Id. at 258
    n.4
    (alteration in original) (quoting People v. Brendlin, 
    136 P.3d 845
    , 852 (Cal. 2006)).
    Instead, the Court reasoned that the defendant’s “conduct could equally be taken to
    indicate that [he] felt compelled to remain inside the car.” 
    Id. at 258
    n.4. The Court didn’t
    even hint that the defendant’s post-seizure movements somehow negated the defendant’s
    initial submission. 
    Id. at 261-63.
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    wouldn’t consider anything that happened after that point—including Roberson’s post-
    seizure stuffing motions—as evidence of non-submission.5
    *      *      *
    While Sergeant Stephens may have subjectively “hoped and intended” to initiate
    voluntary contact with Roberson, R. vol. 1, 54, the officers’ collective actions objectively
    demonstrate that there was nothing voluntary about Roberson’s New Year’s Eve
    encounter with the police. Instead, as Roberson and his date sat in Roberson’s car in the
    parking lot of Slick Willie’s pool hall, four patrol cars carrying six officers converged all
    at once in a pack and two officers immediately zeroed in on Roberson’s car, admittedly
    with absolutely no suspicion or basis for doing so. They purposely blinded Roberson with
    their takedown lights. And with their aggressive approach on foot, they effectively
    blocked his vehicle from leaving the parking lot. I would conclude that, with these blatant
    and purposeful actions, the officers unlawfully seized Roberson by asserting a show of
    authority to which he immediately submitted by remaining seated in his car. Further, I
    would find that Roberson’s post-seizure stuffing motions did not belatedly transform that
    unlawful seizure into a lawful one. Thus, I would reverse and remand with directions to
    suppress the evidence derived from the illegal seizure.
    5
    I don’t discount that, for safety reasons, the officers were justified in ordering
    Roberson to raise his hands after he began making stuffing motions. But the officers
    simply can’t rely on Roberson’s post-seizure stuffing motions, his non-compliance with
    post-seizure commands, or their ultimate discovery of incriminating evidence to justify
    the unlawful seizure.
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