Jesus Miranda v. Stephen Byles , 390 S.W.3d 543 ( 2012 )


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  • Opinion issued October 25, 2012
    In The
    Court of Appeals
    For The
    First District of Texas
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    NO. 01-10-01022-CV
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    JESUS MIRANDA, Appellant
    V.
    STEPHEN BYLES, Appellee
    On Appeal from the 269th District Court
    Harris County, Texas
    Trial Court Case No. 2008-73708
    DISSENTING OPINION ON REHEARING
    I withdraw my dissenting opinion dated February 16, 2012, and issue this
    opinion in its stead. I continue to respectfully dissent.
    This is a defamation suit arising out of a family dispute over the reporting of
    the alleged sexual abuse of a three-year-old child to authorities and family
    members. The trial court awarded damages for defamation per se to the plaintiff,
    appellee Stephen Byles, the alleged abuser, against appellant, Jesus Miranda, the
    great-uncle of the child, for two statements Jesus made to family members during
    the Department of Family and Protective Services’ (“DFPS’s”) investigation of an
    outcry made against Byles by Jesus’s great-niece, L.S., the granddaughter of
    Byles’s common-law wife and Jesus’s sister, Lisa Villareal. Following trial on the
    merits, the trial court found Jesus not to be immune from liability under Texas
    Family Code section 261.106, which grants immunity from civil liability for
    statements made in good faith in the course of an investigation of child abuse. The
    court then found both statements defamatory, and awarded Byles $75,000 in
    damages. Jesus appeals the judgment but does not appeal the trial court’s ruling
    denying him immunity from liability under section 261.106. The majority affirms
    the trial court’s judgment based on one of the comments.
    I would first address Jesus’s immunity from liability as jurisdictional error.
    The jurisdiction of the trial court to enter judgment on Byles’s suit for damages for
    defamation depended upon Jesus’s lack of immunity from personal liability.
    Therefore, the trial court should have determined Jesus’s immunity from liability
    under Family Code section 261.106 before deciding the merits of Byles’s
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    defamation suit. It should have held that Jesus was immune from liability on
    Byles’s claims, and it should have dismissed the defamation suit for failure to state
    a claim for which relief could be granted. Because the trial court determined the
    merits of Byles’s defamation suit before determining the issue of Jesus’s
    immunity, Jesus was subjected to a judgment for damages which the trial court
    lacked jurisdiction to enter.
    I would vacate the judgment of the trial court, render judgment that Jesus is
    immune from personal civil liability for Byles’s defamation claims under Family
    Code section 261.106, and dismiss the suit on the ground that the trial court lacked
    jurisdiction to try the merits of Byles’s claim and to enter a judgment for damages
    for defamation against Jesus. Alternatively, without regard to Jesus’s immunity
    defense, I would hold that the single statement made by Jesus to his brother Juan
    that the majority affirms as defamatory was both privileged and opinion and was
    neither shown to be a statement of fact nor proved to be false. Thus, it does not
    support the trial court’s judgment. Therefore, I would reverse and render judgment
    that Byles take nothing on the merits of his claim.
    Additional Facts
    I adopt the majority’s account of the record but would respectfully add the
    following facts.
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    On October 5, 2007, L.S. first volunteered to her mother, Valerie Villareal,
    and her aunt, Vanessa Villareal, that Byles had touched her vagina. At the time,
    Valerie, Vanessa, L.S., and L.S.’s younger brother, F.S., were all staying with Lisa
    (Valerie and Vanessa’s mother and L.S.’s grandmother) and Byles.              Valerie
    testified in this case, “I was [giving L.S.] a shower and she told me that she—
    [Byles] had touched her down there, and that was it. She showed me with a hand
    gesture, and that was it.” The outcry was made the day after Byles left on a
    business trip to Singapore. Lisa refused to believe Valerie’s report that anything
    had happened. Valerie did not initially take L.S. to be medically examined.
    Jesus found out about the outcry through family members and urged Valerie
    to take L.S. to be examined, saying he would do so if she would not. His sister,
    Lisa, refused to talk to him about the allegations. On October 8, 2007, three days
    after L.S.’s outcry, Valerie took L.S. to Memorial Hermann Hospital Southwest in
    Houston to be examined. The hospital required that the Child Protective Services
    division of DFPS (“CPS”) be notified, and CPS and the Austin County Sheriff’s
    Department both opened investigations.
    L.S. would not let medical authorities examine her on October 8, but they
    were able to question her. She named Stephen Byles as a person who had touched
    her inappropriately. Valerie reported this information to her uncle Jesus.
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    Jesus kept insisting there be a medical examination of L.S., and Lisa kept
    resisting. Valerie finally took L.S. into Memorial Hermann Hospital, at Jesus’s
    urging, on October 22, 2007, for another interview and a medical examination.
    Jesus drove her there. A police officer from Austin County was also present. L.S.
    repeated her outcry to medical personnel at the Children’s Assessment Center
    (“CAC”) during the interview, naming Byles.        The medical examination was
    inconclusive.
    The January 5, 2008 CPS “Investigation Report” introduced into evidence at
    the trial of this case states, with respect to the October 22, 2007 examination of
    L.S., that the case had been referred from Austin County CPS to Harris County
    CPS. It reports that the Austin County social worker said there were no protective
    issues with the mother but also that
    [L.S.] said she was touched and pointed to her vagina by AP [alleged
    perpetrator] who is her grandmother’s boyfriend. [L.S.] was not able
    to distinguish to whether she was penetrated or how she was touched.
    A medical was attempted at Memorial but was not successful. OV
    [outcry victim] had a medical exam done today at the CAC clinic.
    She said Ms. [Valerie] Villarreal does believe that this happened but
    her mother [Lisa] does not believe.
    The report further states that Valerie reported that “[w]hen everything came out her
    mother put her out of the house because she does not believe anything happened.
    Law enforcement is going to follow through on charges but she did not know what
    the charge would be. He has requested the tape and medical records.” The case
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    was “administratively closed due to it being work[ed] by a social worker and law
    enforcement.” No tape recordings of the interviews and no medical records of the
    examinations were introduced into evidence in this case.
    The Investigation Report also records several contacts and attempted
    contacts by CPS with family members in connection with the case. On November
    26, 2007, the investigator was unable to reach Lisa Villareal. On November 30,
    2007, the report states that Jesus contacted CPS and “advised he is Lisa’s brother
    and is concerned for [L.S. and F.S.] because he heard Lisa was taking them out of
    the country.” Jesus “advised he spoke with Detective Homes [in Austin County]
    and he is very upset with Austin County not pursuing this case more seriously.”
    The investigator reported that Jesus
    wanted law enforcement to get Lisa to come in by telling her
    (untruthfully) that her daughter had attempted suicide but Detective
    Homes was not interested. I advised Mr. Miranda I was not interested
    either. Mr. Miranda advised he will do anything to assist in the
    investigation and to please call him if we have questions.
    The CPS report for December 3 records a conversation with Lisa’s attorney,
    who stated that “[Lisa] and the children were living in Houston away from
    [Byles].” The attorney and CPS arranged to transfer the case to Harris County, in
    which Houston is located, “so we can get this matter resolved.” On December 4,
    2007, Lisa’s attorney told CPS where Lisa and the children were living and said it
    was “okay for CPS to speak with his client directly.”
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    In early December 2007, Lisa filed proceedings in Harris County to obtain
    custody of the children. Jesus learned about this and, he testified, called CPS at the
    direction of the Austin County District Attorney to notify it.1
    The Investigation Report reflected that L.S. was interviewed on December 7,
    2007, and that she “stated that no one has touched her inappropriately. . . . She
    stated that she has not seen [Byles] who is her grandmother[’s] boyfriend in a long
    time.” However, Vanessa Villareal reported to the investigator “that [L.S.] did
    state to her and her sister that [Byles] was touching her private parts. Vanessa
    stated that she then told her mother who immediately packed their things and they
    left for a hotel. She stated that [Byles] has not been around since this incident.”
    Similarly, the Investigation Report reflected that, in her January 3, 2008
    interview, Valerie
    stated that [L.S.] told her that [Byles] touched her private parts. She
    stated that she took [L.S.] to the Southwest hospital for examination
    and the test did not disclose anything. She stated that the next day she
    brought [L.S.] to the Children Assessment Center for [an] interview
    and examination. She stated that the doctor stated there was
    discharge[] but it was inconclusive if there was sexual abuse. She
    stated that she does not believe that her mother is allowing contact
    between [Byles] and children.
    The report of the investigator’s December 27 interview with Lisa reflects
    that Lisa “stated that her daughter told her that [L.S.] stated that [Byles] had
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    The trial court found Jesus’s testimony not to be credible. However, his statement
    of the facts stated above is consistent with the testimony of the other witnesses,
    whom the court found to be credible, and is consistent with CPS records.
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    fondled her. She stated that after hearing this she gather[ed] their things and they
    went to a hotel. Lisa stated that [Byles] has not had any contact with the children
    since this incident.”
    The Investigation Report concludes: “Disposition and Risk Finding: Ruled
    Out with factors controlled UTD [unable to determine] for SXAB [sexual abuse]
    on for [L.S.].”
    The CPS “Risk Assessment Report,” also completed on January 5, 2008, and
    also introduced into evidence in this case, references allegations of neglectful
    supervision of both L.S. and her little brother, F.S., against Valerie and Lisa, which
    were “Ruled Out”; a report of sexual abuse of F.S. by Byles, which was “Ruled
    Out”; and a report of sexual abuse of L.S. by Byles, which the report deemed
    “Unable to Determine.” The Risk Assessment Report concluded, “Significant risk
    factors were identified, but family strengths and available resources are sufficient
    to provide for the child(ren)’s safety for the foreseeable future.”       The stated
    rationale for the finding was that the children were living with Lisa, appeared to be
    clean and healthy, did not disclose abuse or neglect, and “[t]he children do not
    have any contact with [Stephen Byles].”
    The “Case History of Investigations” noted that the investigation was
    assigned to an investigator by CPS on November 16, 2007, and completed on
    January 11, 2008. Like the Risk Assessment Report, the Case History recorded
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    allegations of neglectful supervision of L.S. and her brother, F.S., by both Valerie
    and Lisa Villarreal, which were “Ruled Out”; allegations of sexual abuse of F.S. by
    Byles, which was “Ruled Out”; and allegations of sexual abuse of L.S. by Byles,
    which were marked “Unable to Determine.” The overall disposition was “unable
    to determine,” and the risk finding was “factors controlled.”
    On December 12, 2007, Jesus left a recorded voice-message for Lisa, in
    which he stated, “Stephen’s hand on your granddaughter’s vagina isn’t what
    dictates this.” This statement is the first of the two statements by Jesus that the
    trial court found to be defamatory per se in awarding damages to Byles.
    The family court held a hearing on temporary custody of L.S. and F.S. in
    Lisa’s custody suit on January 11, 2008. Before the hearing, Jesus called Valerie,
    told her not to back down, and said, “What if next time he penetrates your
    daughter?”
    Also in January 2008, Jesus made the second statement on which he was
    found liable for defamation. Neither the exact date nor the specific content of this
    oral statement by Jesus to his brother Juan was recorded. The trial court found,
    however, on the basis of Juan’s unobjected-to deposition testimony, which was
    introduced into evidence, that, “In January 2008, Jesus Miranda published a
    statement to Juan Miranda that a doctor had examined L.S. and that the doctor had
    confirmed that L.S. had been sexually molested by [Stephen Byles].”
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    On January 29, 2008, the family court entered an order giving Lisa indefinite
    temporary custody of L.S. and F.S. The order also enjoined Lisa from “allow[ing]
    the minor children to be in the presence of [Stephen Byles] until further order of
    this court.” The amicus attorney ultimately represented to the family court that the
    children would be better off in Lisa and Byles’s possession. In May 2008, the
    family court lifted the portion of its temporary order that prohibited Byles from
    being in the presence of the two children. Lisa was ultimately awarded custody of
    L.S. and F.S.
    Byles filed the instant defamation suit against Jesus on December 12, 2008,
    asserting claims of slander per quod, slander per se, and intentional infliction of
    emotional distress based on Jesus’s recorded statement to Lisa, “Stephen’s hands
    on your granddaughter’s vagina isn’t what dictates this,” and on Juan’s report that
    Jesus had told him after the October 22 examination of L.S. that the doctor had
    confirmed that Byles had sexually assaulted L.S.
    In the trial of this case, Juan testified by deposition, without objection, as to
    the second statement as follows:
    Q:    What statement did Mister—or what statements did Jesus make
    about [Stephen Byles] to put him in a negative light?
    A:    That he had molested one of my—my niece’s kids.
    Q:    And who did he—well, strike that. Which child?
    A:    [L.S.]
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    ....
    Q:     Okay. And when in time was it that Jesus made this statement
    to you?
    A:     This was in January—I believe January of ’08.
    Q:     Okay. And how did the statement come about? Did he call
    you, or was it in person?
    A:     It was a telephone call.
    Q:     Okay. And he called you and said what?
    A:     That, you know, he knew that [Byles] had done—had molested
    that—[L.S.]
    Q:     Did he express it as an opinion that he thought the child had
    done—that [Byles] had done this, or that he expressed it as a
    fact?
    A:     That he knew.
    Q:     Did he—did Jesus report to you that he had reported to others
    negative comments about [Byles]?
    A:     That he had reported to other family members that—right there
    and then he did not state that he had told anybody else, no.
    Q:     Okay. And did you later come into any information that that
    had happened?
    A:     Yeah.
    Q:     What information did you receive?
    A:     From one of my brothers that had come over to my house and
    they told me that he had already heard a recording and that they
    knew that, that she has been molested according to—
    Q:     And where did they get that information from?
    A:     My brother.
    Q.     And your brother, you’re talking about your brother, Jesus,
    reported it to what other family members?
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    A:     My brother Gabriel and my brother Andy as far as I knew
    because they had came and told me.
    ....
    Q:     Okay. Now, did Jesus make any statements to you with regards
    to whether or not [L.S.] had been taken to a doctor with regards
    to the sexual abuse claim?
    A:     Yes. Yes. Because I—I really hadn’t known that she went until
    he told me.
    Q:     And what did he tell you about the doctor appointment?
    A:     That she was a—confirmed that she was molested.
    Q:     That a doctor had confirmed that she had been sexually
    molested by [Byles]?
    A:     Yes.
    Q:     And he told you that in the same conversation?
    A:     That was the only conversation I had with him.
    In an additional excerpt from his deposition testimony, Juan admitted that
    Byles had loaned him $5,000, that the arrangement with regard to his paying it
    back was, “Get back on, you know, financially by self-set in order for me to get the
    money back to him,” and that Byles had also “always offered to help” with his
    children’s schooling. Juan also testified that the family was deeply divided over
    the issue of whether Byles had sexually assaulted L.S.; that Jesus had stated that he
    “knew” that Byles had molested L.S. as a matter of fact, not as his belief; that
    information about the alleged assault relayed to him by Lisa prior to his
    conversation with Jesus constituted “allegations” that were potentially being
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    investigated; and that what he himself believed—that the molestation had not
    occurred because “[Byles] would not do that”—was his opinion.
    Following trial, the trial court entered the following findings of fact relevant
    to this dissent:
    11.    On December 12, 2007, Jesus Miranda published a statement
    stating “[Stephen’s] hands on your granddaughter’s vagina isn’t
    what dictates this.”
    12.    In January 2008, Jesus Miranda published a statement to Juan
    Miranda that a doctor had examined L.S. and that the doctor
    had confirmed that L.S. had been sexually molested by
    [Stephen Byles].
    13.    Jesus Miranda’s statements described in ¶¶ 11–12 of the
    Findings of Fact (“Defamatory Statements”) were defamatory
    concerning plaintiff.
    14.    The Defamatory Statements were false.
    ....
    28.    Neither the Defamatory Statements nor [other statements] were
    made while assisting in the investigation of a report of alleged
    child abuse or neglect or while testifying or otherwise
    participating in a judicial proceeding arising from a report,
    petition, or investigation of alleged child abuse or neglect.
    The trial court also entered the following conclusions of law:
    14.    Under TEX. FAM. CODE § 261.106(a), a person who in good
    faith reports or assists in the investigation of alleged child abuse
    or who testifies or participates in a judicial proceeding arising
    from a report or investigation of alleged child abuse is immune
    from civil liability that might otherwise arise.
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    15.    Under TEX. FAM. CODE § 261.106(c), a person who acts in bad
    faith or with malicious purpose in reporting alleged child abuse
    or neglect is not immune from civil or criminal liability.
    16.    [Miranda] is not immune from liability for [Byles’s] claims.
    Jurisdiction
    Jesus pled in the trial court that he was immune from civil liability for
    defamation under section 261.106 of the Child Protection Act, Chapter 261 of the
    Family Code. The trial court tried Jesus’s pleading of immunity simultaneously
    with the merits of Byles’s defamation claim, rejected Jesus’s immunity defense,
    and    entered    judgment    against   Jesus    on   Byles’s    defamation      claim.
    The trial court found that the “Defamatory Statements” did not fall within the
    protective scope of section 261.106 and concluded that Jesus lacked immunity
    from liability. Although he appealed the judgment, Jesus did not appeal the trial
    court’s immunity finding and its conclusion of law that he was not immune from
    liability.   Nevertheless, a jurisdictional question cannot be waived; it may be
    raised, even for the first time, on appeal; it may be raised by the appellate court sua
    sponte; and the appellate court has jurisdiction to decide both its own and the trial
    court’s jurisdiction. See Tex. Ass’n of Bus. v. Tex. Air Control Bd., 
    852 S.W.2d 440
    , 445–46 (Tex. 1993).
    I would address the immunity issue as fundamental jurisdictional error on
    the ground that the trial court erred in denying Jesus immunity that protected him
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    from personal liability and erroneously exercised its jurisdiction to render a
    judgment for liability against him, despite Byles’s failure to state a claim on which
    relief could be granted.
    Family Code section 261.106 provides:
    (a) A person acting in good faith who reports or assists in the investigation of
    a report of alleged child abuse or neglect or who testifies or otherwise
    participates in a judicial proceeding arising from a report, petition, or
    investigation of alleged child abuse or neglect is immune from civil or
    criminal liability that might otherwise be incurred or imposed.
    ….
    (c) A person who reports the person’s own abuse or neglect of a child or who
    acts in bad faith or with malicious purpose in reporting alleged child
    abuse or neglect is not immune from civil or criminal liability.
    TEX. FAM. CODE ANN. § 261.106 (Vernon 2008).
    Section 261.106’s companion statute, Family Code section 261.101,
    provides, in relevant part:
    (a) A person having cause to believe that a child’s physical or mental health
    or welfare has been adversely affected by abuse or neglect by any person
    shall immediately make a report as provided by this subchapter.
    (b) If a professional has cause to believe that a child has been abused or
    neglected or may be abused or neglected, or that a child is a victim of an
    offense under Section 21.11, Penal Code [“Indecency with a Child”], and
    the professional has cause to believe that the child has been abused as
    defined by Section 261.001 or 261.401, the professional shall make a
    report not later than the 48th hour after the hour the professional first
    suspects that the child has been or may be abused or neglected or is a
    victim of an offense under Section 21.11, Penal Code. . . .
    
    Id. § 261.101
    (Vernon 2008).
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    The trial court found that “the Defamatory Statements” were not “made
    while assisting in the investigation of a report of alleged child abuse or neglect or
    while testifying or otherwise participating in a judicial proceeding arising from a
    report, petition, or investigation of alleged child abuse or neglect.” It therefore
    concluded that Jesus was “not immune from liability for Plaintiff’s claims” under
    subsections 261.106(a) and (c), and it entered a money judgment for $75,000
    against Jesus on Byles’s defamation claims.
    I disagree with the trial court’s actions. The trial court should have held a
    preliminary evidentiary hearing on the jurisdictional facts relating to Jesus’s claim
    of immunity. On the basis of evidence presented, the trial court should have held
    that Jesus’s comments, upon which Byles’s defamation suit was based, were
    privileged statements of opinion made to family members in the course of an
    investigation of child abuse and that, therefore, Jesus was immune from liability
    for Byles’s suit for defamation under Family Code section 261.106. It should then
    have concluded that Byles failed to state a claim upon which relief could be
    granted and that it lacked jurisdiction to enter the money judgment sought. The
    court should have dismissed the case. Because it did not, I would vacate the
    judgment as void, and I would enter the judgment the trial court should have
    entered, dismissing the case for failure to state a claim.
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    “‘[J]urisdiction’ is the power to hear and determine a controversy,
    which . . . includes the power to decide whether or not a pleading filed in the court
    is sufficient to state a cause of action . . . .” Jud v. City of San Antonio, 
    184 S.W.2d 821
    , 822 (Tex. 1945). “As a general proposition, before a court may
    address the merits of any case, the court must have jurisdiction over the party or
    the property subject to the suit, jurisdiction over the subject matter, jurisdiction to
    enter the particular judgment, and capacity to act as a court.” State Bar of Tex. v.
    Gomez, 
    891 S.W.2d 243
    , 245 (Tex. 1994). “Subject matter jurisdiction requires
    that the party bringing the suit have standing, that there be a live controversy
    between the parties, and that the case be justiciable.” 
    Id. Thus, “The
    trial court
    must determine at its earliest opportunity whether it has the constitutional or
    statutory authority to decide the case before allowing the litigation to proceed.”
    Tex. Dep’t of Parks & Wildlife v. Miranda, 
    133 S.W.3d 217
    , 226 (Tex. 2004).
    “[F]or a controversy to be justiciable, there must be a real controversy between the
    parties that will be actually resolved by the judicial relief sought.” 
    Gomez, 891 S.W.2d at 245
    . When a court initially has jurisdiction to grant relief to resolve a
    live controversy between parties with proper standing, but the case subsequently
    becomes non-justiciable, the court retains certain limited authority to dispose of the
    case by dismissal. See Travelers Ins. Co. v. Joachim, 
    315 S.W.3d 860
    , 865 (Tex.
    2010). If the district court lacks jurisdiction in any of these senses, then its
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    decision does not bind the parties. 
    Gomez, 891 S.W.2d at 245
    . “[A] decision that
    does not bind the parties is, by definition, an advisory opinion prohibited by Texas
    law.” 
    Id. Immunity from
    liability is an affirmative defense, as opposed to immunity
    from suit, which deprives a court of subject matter jurisdiction ab initio. See
    
    Miranda, 133 S.W.3d at 224
    . Thus, “[i]mmunity from liability and immunity from
    suit are two distinct principles.” Tex. Dep’t of Transp. v. Jones, 
    8 S.W.3d 636
    , 638
    (Tex. 1999) (per curiam) (holding that, like other affirmative defenses to liability,
    immunity from liability must be pleaded or else it is waived). Immunity from
    liability does not protect a defendant from all suits, but it “protects the [defendant]
    from judgment even if the Legislature has expressly consented to the suit.” 
    Id. (emphasis added).
    Thus, immunity from liability bars a suit for monetary relief
    against the immune defendant, even though it does not bar a suit for other remedies
    when the defendant has violated the law. See City of El Paso v. Heinrich, 
    284 S.W.3d 366
    , 368–69 (Tex. 2009) (stating, in governmental immunity case,
    “Sovereign immunity protects the State from lawsuits for money damages,”
    although sovereign immunity does not bar suits for other remedies where
    defendant has violated law) (quoting Tex. Natural Res. Conservation Comm’n v.
    IT-Davy, 
    74 S.W.3d 849
    , 853 (Tex. 2002)). An action may no longer be continued
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    against a defendant who cannot be held liable, and no judgment may be rendered
    against him. See Brown v. Gay, 
    13 S.W. 472
    , 472–73 (Tex. 1890).2
    Whether undisputed evidence of jurisdictional facts establishes a trial court’s
    jurisdiction is a question of law. See 
    Miranda, 133 S.W.3d at 226
    . However, “in
    some cases, disputed evidence of jurisdictional facts that also implicate the merits
    of the case may require resolution by the finder of fact.” 
    Id. When the
    existence
    of jurisdictional facts is challenged, the court must consider evidence when
    necessary to resolve the jurisdictional issues raised. See 
    id. at 223;
    Bland Indep.
    Sch. Dist. v Blue, 
    34 S.W.3d 547
    , 555 (Tex. 2000). A trial court “has the right to
    hear the necessary evidence to enable it to decide as to whether or not it has power
    to try the case it is sought to have it adjudicate, whether the allegations disclosing
    such want of jurisdiction appear in the petition of the plaintiff, or in the plea to the
    jurisdiction by the defendant,” or, as here, in the affirmative-defense pleadings of
    the defendant. See 
    Miranda, 133 S.W.3d at 226
    (quoting Gentry v. Bowser, 
    21 S.W. 569
    , 570 (Tex. Civ. App.—Fort Worth 1893, no writ)). As the party seeking
    to invoke the trial court’s jurisdiction, the plaintiff must “allege facts that
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    Most immunity law has been developed in the context of governmental immunity,
    which presents an analogous but not identical situation. Unlike civil immunity,
    sovereign immunity exists ab initio, must be waived by the state, and, if not shown
    to be waived, constitutes sufficient reason to dismiss a claim for lack of
    jurisdiction. Civil immunity must be shown and, if shown, results in failure to
    state a claim on which relief can be granted, for which the proper remedy is
    dismissal.
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    affirmatively demonstrate the court’s jurisdiction to hear the cause.” See Tex.
    Ass’n of 
    Bus., 852 S.W.2d at 446
    .
    The purpose of a plea to the jurisdiction is to establish a reason why the
    merits of the plaintiff’s claim should not be reached. See Bland Indep. Sch. 
    Dist., 34 S.W.3d at 554
    . However, “a court deciding a plea to the jurisdiction is not
    required to look solely to the pleadings but may consider evidence and must do so
    when necessary to resolve the jurisdictional issues raised.” 
    Id. at 555.
    The court
    should, however, “confine itself to the evidence relevant to the jurisdictional
    issue.” 
    Id. “Whether a
    determination of subject-matter jurisdiction can be made in
    a preliminary hearing or should await a fuller development of the merits of the case
    must be left largely to the trial court’s sound exercise of discretion.” 
    Id. at 554.
    The “ultimate inquiry” in a challenge to the trial court’s jurisdiction is whether the
    facts pled by the plaintiff and not negated, taken as true, and liberally construed
    “affirmatively demonstrate a claim or claims within the trial court’s subject-matter
    jurisdiction.” Brantley v. Tex. Youth Comm’n, 
    365 S.W.3d 89
    , 94 (Tex. App.—
    Austin 2012, no pet.); see also 
    Jud, 184 S.W.2d at 823
    (holding that determination
    whether plaintiff-fireman had alleged cause of action against members of pension
    fund board, so that trial court had jurisdiction over that claim, could not be
    determined “in limine on a hearing of the plea to the jurisdiction” but must await
    development of facts).
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    When a plaintiff fails to demonstrate a waiver of immunity from liability by
    the defendant, and thus fails to state a cause of action upon which the relief sought
    can be granted, and his claim cannot be repled to state a cause of action, the trial
    court should not permit repleading but should dismiss the suit. See Reata Constr.
    Corp. v. City of Dallas, 
    197 S.W.3d 371
    , 378 (Tex. 2006) (holding that where
    plaintiff Reata failed to demonstrate waiver of City’s immunity from liability under
    Tort Claims Act plaintiff’s claims were properly dismissed and plaintiff was not
    entitled to replead); see also 
    Brantley, 365 S.W.3d at 94
    (stating that where
    pleadings affirmative negate existence of jurisdiction, plea to jurisdiction may be
    granted without allowing plaintiff opportunity to amend).3
    3
    The majority argues that the issue of Jesus’s immunity to Byles’s claims is not
    jurisdictional, was not preserved, and, therefore, cannot be addressed by this Court
    on appeal. Slip Op. at 13–14 (citing Harris Cnty Hosp. Dist. v. Tomball Reg’l
    Hosp., 
    283 S.W.3d 838
    , 842 (Tex. 2009) and Tex. Dep’t of Parks & Wildlife v.
    Miranda, 
    133 S.W.3d 217
    , 224 (Tex. 2004)). The cases cited by the majority
    distinguish between immunity from suit and immunity from liability in the context
    of sovereign immunity. In a sovereign immunity case, the issue of immunity from
    liability is typically not reached unless the State has already waived immunity
    from suit. Therefore, the court’s jurisdiction to entertain the suit is generally
    already established and all that is at issue is the jurisdiction to enter the judgment.
    The supreme court has consistently held that, even when the issue is sovereign
    immunity, immunity from liability may protect the state from suits for money
    damages even though it does not protect against other suits. See City of El Paso v.
    Heinrich, 
    284 S.W.3d 366
    , 371–73 (Tex. 2009). Likewise, the courts have
    consistently held that when a private citizen’s immunity from liability is
    established, the case should be dismissed for failure to state a claim upon which
    relief can be granted. See Alpert v. Crain, Caton & James, P.C., 
    178 S.W.3d 398
    ,
    405–07 (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] 2005, pet. denied) (dismissing case
    against attorneys immune from civil liability for actions taken in connection with
    representation).
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    Here, the trial court heard evidence of the jurisdictional facts upon which
    Jesus’s affirmative defense of immunity was based only during the trial on the
    merits of Byles’s defamation claim. The jurisdictional evidence included evidence
    as to what Jesus said, to whom he said it, and when and under what circumstances
    it was said. This evidence went to the fact of Jesus’s immunity from liability and,
    therefore, to Byles’s statement of a claim for which Jesus could be held liable and
    to the trial court’s jurisdiction to try Byles’s defamation suit and to render a money
    judgment against Jesus. The jurisdictional issue should have been heard first and
    the trial court’s jurisdiction to proceed to trial on the merits determined
    preliminarily. This did not happen.
    Had the trial court heard the jurisdictional facts first, it is inconceivable to
    me that a reasonable judge would have permitted Byles’s defamation suit against
    Jesus to proceed to trial on its merits. On October 5, 2007, L.S. made an outcry
    that she had been sexually abused by Byles and described with gestures what he
    had done. Section 261.106(a) provides that “[a] person acting in good faith who
    reports or assists in the investigation of a report of alleged child abuse or neglect or
    who testifies or otherwise participates in a judicial proceeding arising from a
    report, petition, or investigation of alleged child abuse or neglect is immune from
    civil or criminal liability . . . .” TEX. FAM. CODE ANN. § 261.106(a). No one
    denied that the outcry was made on October 5 and that neither L.S.’s mother
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    Valerie, her aunt Vanessa, nor her grandmother Lisa initially reported the outcry to
    authorities. Only Jesus, to whom the incident was reported by Valerie, insisted
    that L.S. be taken to CAC to be examined. In other words, only Jesus obeyed the
    mandate of section 261.101 that “[a] person having cause to believe that a child’s
    physical or mental health or welfare has been adversely affected by abuse or
    neglect by any person shall immediately make a report as provided by this
    subchapter.” 
    Id. § 261.101
    (a). All of the other persons with knowledge of the
    outcry disregarded his or her statutory duty. By contrast, when Valerie agreed to
    take L.S. to be examined three days later, on October 8, the hospital immediately
    followed its own mandate under section 261.101(b) by reporting the outcry to CPS
    and the Austin County Sheriff’s office. See 
    id. § 261.101(b).
    Both CPS and the
    Austin County Sheriff’s Department began investigations.
    During her first interview at the hospital on October 8, 2007, L.S. reaffirmed
    her outcry to medical personnel, naming Byles as the perpetrator.         Although
    medical personnel were unable to perform a physical examination, due to L.S.’s
    refusal to cooperate, the physician did confirm to Valerie that L.S. had named
    Byles, and Valerie reported that information to Jesus.
    The CPS and Austin County Sheriff’s Department investigations were
    hampered by L.S.’s removal from the house and the county. However, Jesus
    continued to urge that L.S. be taken back to the CAC for a physical examination.
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    In short, he was the only family member who showed an active interest in
    cooperating with an ongoing investigation into child sexual abuse by appropriate
    authorities.
    Jesus succeeded in getting Valerie to take L.S. back to the CAC on October
    22, 2007, where a second interview was conducted, in which L.S. again named
    Byles. A physical examination was also performed, but it was inconclusive as to
    whether L.S. had been assaulted. The medical records are not in the record of this
    case. However, the January 5, 2008 CPS “Investigation Report” is in the record. It
    records notes entered by CPS on October 22, 2008, in accordance with the mandate
    of section 261.001(b).
    It is unclear from the record where L.S. was or with whom she was living in
    October and November 2007. The investigations by CPS and the Austin County
    Sheriff’s Department stalled. Jesus, however, persisted, and Lisa subsequently
    contacted CPS through her attorney and told them that L.S. was living with her in
    Houston.       That information led to interviews of family members by a CPS
    investigator in December 2007 and January 2008 and also to Austin County’s
    dropping the investigation because L.S. was now out of its jurisdiction. Lisa also
    initiated custody proceedings in Harris County seeking to obtain custody of both
    L.S. and her younger brother, F.S.
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    The January 5, 2008 CPS “Investigation Report” includes the investigator’s
    report of her interviews with Valerie and other family members.             The report
    records Valerie’s statement that L.S. had told her that Byles had “fondled” her and
    had shown her by gestures what he had done. It also includes the statement that
    Valerie “stated that the doctor stated that there was discharge[] but it was
    inconclusive if there was sexual abuse.”        Lisa and all other family members
    reported that Byles had been kept away from L.S. after her outcry.
    The first statement the trial court found to be defamatory, and on which
    Jesus’s liability is predicated—the December 12, 2007 statement in a voicemail
    message to Lisa that “[Stephen’s] hands on your granddaughter’s vagina isn’t what
    dictates this”—was made after L.S. had repeated her outcry several times, after
    medical personnel were unable to determine whether L.S. had been sexually
    assaulted, after Lisa had initiated custody proceedings, during the active CPS
    investigation of the case, and before the hearing on Lisa’s custody suit.
    The second statement the trial court found to be defamatory— “a statement
    to Juan Miranda that a doctor had examined L.S. and that the doctor had confirmed
    that L.S. had been sexually molested by [Stephen Byles]”—was made “[i]n
    January 2008” to Jesus’s brother, also L.S.’s great-uncle. While no exact date is
    attributed to the second statement, and no context is given for it, it appears that this
    statement occurred before the January 8, 2008 hearing on Lisa’s custody suit. Juan
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    testified in his deposition that this was the only time he talked with Jesus about
    L.S.’s complaint, that he had already heard about the complaint from his other
    brothers, who said Jesus had heard a tape of the CAC interview with L.S. (which
    was not introduced into evidence as proof of the falsity of Jesus’s alleged
    comment), and that the family was deeply divided over whether Byles had sexually
    assaulted L.S.
    If Jesus’s unrecorded statement to Juan was not made before the January 8
    hearing, it was necessarily made before or within two days after the family court’s
    January 29, 2008 order that awarded custody of L.S. to Lisa and enjoined her from
    allowing Byles to be around L.S. and F.S. It was also made in the same month as
    the final CPS Investigation Report, completed January 5, 2008, which recorded
    interviews with Valerie, Vanessa, and Lisa, all of whom acknowledged and
    described L.S.’s outcry. And it was made in the same month in which CPS
    concluded that reports of neglectful supervision by Valerie and Lisa of L.S. and
    F.S. and of sexual abuse by Byles of L.S. and F.S. were “Ruled Out with factors
    controlled UTD [unable to determine] for SXAB [sexual abuse] on for [L.S.].”
    Jesus’s second reported statement was also made in the same month as
    CPS’s “Risk Assessment Report.” This report included the same results of the
    various investigations as the Investigation Report, noted that Byles had been kept
    away from the children after L.S.’s outcry, and concluded, “Significant risk factors
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    were identified, but family strengths and available resources are sufficient to
    provide for the child(ren)’s safety for the foreseeable future.” These risk factors
    were deemed significant enough by the trial court to support an injunction on
    January 29, 2008, preventing Lisa from allowing Byles to be around the children
    until further order of the court.
    Upon hearing the evidence regarding Jesus’s immunity, along with all the
    other evidence, in what appears to have been a highly emotionally charged trial
    involving all—and only—family members, the trial court found that “[n]either the
    Defamatory Statements nor [other statements] were made while assisting in the
    investigation of a report of alleged child abuse or neglect or while testifying or
    otherwise participating in a judicial proceeding arising from a report, petition, or
    investigation of alleged child abuse or neglect,” and it concluded as a matter of law
    that Jesus was not immune from liability under section 261.106.
    The trial court’s conclusion that Jesus was not immune for his statements
    under section 261.106 followed directly from its finding of fact that the
    Defamatory Statements were not made while assisting in the investigation of a
    report of alleged child sexual abuse. In my view, this conclusion is rationally
    unsustainable under the facts of this case.
    A trial court’s conclusions of law are reviewed de novo. BMC Software
    Belg., N.V. v. Marchand, 
    83 S.W.3d 789
    , 794 (Tex. 2002). The sufficiency of the
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    evidence supporting a trial court’s challenged findings of fact following a bench
    trial is reviewed under the standards used to review the legal or factual sufficiency
    of the evidence supporting jury findings. Catalina v. Blasdel, 
    881 S.W.2d 295
    ,
    297 (Tex. 1994). When the appellate record includes the reporter’s record, the trial
    court’s factual findings, whether express or implied, are not conclusive and may be
    challenged for legal and factual sufficiency. See Middleton v. Kawasaki Steel
    Corp., 
    687 S.W.2d 42
    , 44 (Tex. App.—Houston [14th Dist.]), writ ref’d n.r.e., 
    699 S.W.2d 199
    (Tex. 1985). The test for legal sufficiency is “whether the evidence at
    trial would enable reasonable and fair-minded people to reach the verdict under
    review.” City of Keller v. Wilson, 
    168 S.W.3d 802
    , 827 (Tex. 2005). In reviewing
    a factual sufficiency challenge, the appellate court considers and weighs all the
    evidence supporting and contradicting the challenged finding and sets the finding
    aside only if the evidence is so contrary to the overwhelming weight of the
    evidence as to make the finding clearly wrong and manifestly unjust. Cain v. Bain,
    
    709 S.W.2d 175
    , 176 (Tex. 1986) (per curiam). In my view, a reasonable and fair-
    minded fact finder could not have found that Jesus’s comments to Lisa and to his
    brother Juan during the CPS investigation of L.S.’s outcry were not made while
    Jesus was assisting in the investigation of a report of child abuse. Therefore, I
    would hold that the evidence supporting the trial court’s finding of fact was so
    weak as to make its finding clearly wrong and manifestly unjust. And I would
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    hold that the trial court’s conclusion of law number sixteen was, therefore,
    erroneous.
    It is also inconceivable to me that a “reasonable and fair-minded” court
    could find, on the basis of the evidence in this case, that Jesus was anything other
    than “[a] person acting in good faith who report[ed] or assist[ed] in the
    investigation of a report of alleged child abuse or neglect or who . . . otherwise
    participate[d] in a judicial proceeding arising from a report, petition, or
    investigation of alleged child abuse or neglect” or that it could find that the two
    statements on which the trial court predicated Jesus’s liability were outside the
    scope of the protection extended to such persons by section 261.106(a). See TEX.
    FAM. CODE ANN. § 261.106(a), (c); City of 
    Keller, 168 S.W.3d at 827
    .
    There is no evidence of Jesus’s “bad faith or malicious purpose” in urging
    the investigation of L.S.’s outcry. Jesus Miranda, alone among the many family
    members aware of L.S.’s outcry, was the only one who took seriously the mandate
    of section 261.101 that persons “having cause to believe that a child’s physical or
    mental health or welfare has been adversely affected by abuse or neglect by any
    person shall immediately make a report as provided by this subchapter” and the
    only one who urged that a report be made to authorities about L.S.’s outcry. TEX.
    FAM. CODE ANN. § 261.101(a).        Upon investigation by the CAC, the Austin
    County Sheriff’s Department, and CPS, the evidence that Byles had assaulted L.S.
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    was found by CPS to be “significant” enough to support a finding of “unable to
    determine,” together with a conclusion that the risk was “significant” but
    “controlled” because Byles had been kept away from L.S. since the date of the
    outcry. The evidence was also found by the family court to be sufficient to support
    an order on January 29, 2008, enjoining Lisa from allowing Byles to be around
    L.S. “until further order of the court.”
    I would hold that the trial court erred in finding that Jesus was not immune
    from liability for defamation for his statements under Family Code section
    261.106.    I would further hold that the trial court erred in not hearing the
    jurisdictional facts pertinent to Jesus’s immunity defense before proceeding to trial
    on the merits of Byles’s defamation suit and entering judgment on Byles’s claim
    rather than dismissing Byles’s suit for lack of jurisdiction due to Byles’s failure to
    state a claim upon which relief could be granted. See 
    Miranda, 133 S.W.3d at 223
    ;
    see also 
    Brown, 13 S.W. at 472
    –73 (holding that no judgment can be rendered
    against defendant who cannot be held liable); Alpert v. Crain, Caton & James,
    P.C., 
    178 S.W.3d 398
    , 405–07 (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] 2005, pet. denied)
    (affirming dismissal for failure to state cause of action after law firm establish
    defense of qualified immunity). Accordingly, I would vacate the judgment of the
    trial court and dismiss the case.
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    In my opinion, this case presents fundamental jurisdictional error.       See
    McCauley v. Consol. Underwriters, 
    304 S.W.2d 265
    , 266 (Tex. 1957) (per curiam)
    (holding error to be fundamental when record shows jurisdictional defect). The
    record clearly shows that Jesus was held liable to Byles for civil damages for
    defamation in a suit brought against him for his remarks made to family members
    during an ongoing investigation by CPS, medical authorities, and police of an
    outcry of sexual abuse by a three-year-old child against Byles.          A trial for
    defamation and a money judgment in favor of a person against whom an outcry of
    child sexual abuse is made and against a person who urges family members to
    investigate the outcry has a potentially deeply chilling effect on the reporting of
    child sexual abuse to persons in a position to investigate the allegations. This suit
    thus directly undermines the fundamental purpose of the “Protection of the Child
    Act,” Family Code Chapter 261, which is to protect children from abuse and
    neglect. See TEX. FAM. CODE ANN. §§ 261.101, 261.106 (imposing duty to report
    suspected child abuse or neglect and child sexual abuse and providing immunity
    for report).
    In support of treating this case as one of fundamental jurisdictional error, I
    stress that I find absolutely no evidence in the record that Jesus’s report was made
    in bad faith, despite Byles’s emotional briefing on appeal and on rehearing, and
    despite what appears to have been a circus atmosphere involving all family
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    members in the courtroom. The reporting of suspected child abuse is an extremely
    serious issue, and it was precisely to protect persons who make such reports and to
    ensure that they will freely report actual outcries of child abuse and will not be
    punished for their good-faith reports that the immunity statute was passed. The
    further purpose of that statute is to ensure that threats to the economic well-
    being—and reputation—of persons who report suspected abuse in good faith will
    not succeed and will not be rewarded with large financial awards, even if, as here,
    the sanctions placed on the purported abuser by child protection authorities on the
    basis of professional evaluations by CPS, medical personnel, and law enforcement
    authorities are ultimately lifted.
    My conviction that this is a case of fundamental jurisdictional error is
    strengthened by the fact that the majority in this case, after reviewing the record,
    can find only one statement by Jesus that it concludes supports a defamation
    finding. For the reasons argued in the next section, I find that lone statement to be
    privileged, and, even if it were not privileged, it is not a statement of fact that could
    be or was objectively shown to be false. Rather, it is an undated, unspecific
    hearsay statement of opinion reportedly made by Jesus to his brother, Juan, that the
    doctor to whom L.S. was taken following her outcry had stated that the child had
    been sexually assaulted by Byles. Even if that statement were not privileged, and
    were not hearsay reported only in Juan’s deposition, the burden in a defamation
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    suit would have been on Byles to show exactly what Jesus said, that it was a
    statement of fact, and that, in fact, the doctor reported that the child was not
    sexually assaulted or was not assaulted by Byles, that Jesus saw the report and
    knew for a fact that what he said was false, and that he said it anyway—outside the
    family and investigatory process—for the purpose of injuring Byles’s reputation.
    There was absolutely no such showing by Byles. Indeed, the tape of L.S.’s CPS
    interview and her medical records, which might have shown whether Jesus even
    made a false report, were never introduced into evidence by Byles in support of his
    defamation claim.
    My arguments and authorities on the merits of Byles’s defamation claim are
    set forth below.
    Defamation
    Were I to reach the merits of Byles’s defamation claim, I would sustain
    Jesus’s second issue, and I would reverse the judgment of the trial court and render
    judgment that Byles take nothing by his claim.
    In his second issue, Jesus argues that the trial court erred in holding that he
    defamed Byles because “at least one of the allegedly defamatory statements,
    uttered by [Jesus], is inherently incapable of objective verification or disproof,”
    and, therefore, Byles cannot prove defamation. I would hold that Jesus’s statement
    to Lisa is incapable of objective verification or disproof and that neither that
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    statement nor his statement to Juan was shown to be a false and defamatory
    statement of fact made without legal excuse, as required for Byles to carry his
    burden of proof.
    A. Legal Excuse
    “Slander is a defamatory statement that is orally communicated or published
    to a third person without legal excuse.” Randall’s Food Mkts., Inc. v. Johnson,
    
    891 S.W.2d 640
    , 646 (Tex. 1995).           In Randall’s, the Texas Supreme Court
    developed the doctrine of legal excuse in the employer/employee context. It held
    that “an employer has a conditional or qualified privilege that attaches to
    communications made in the course of an investigation following a report of
    employee wrongdoing.”             
    Id. “The privilege
    remains intact as long as
    communications pass only to persons having an interest or duty in the matter to
    which the communications relate.” 
    Id. The privilege
    can be defeated only by
    proof that a statement was motivated by actual malice existing at the time of
    publication. 
    Id. “In the
    defamation context, a statement is made with actual
    malice when the statement is made with knowledge of its falsity or with reckless
    disregard as to its truth.” 
    Id. In Randall’s,
    store employees communicated to each other that a customer
    had left the store without paying for a wreath. 
    Id. at 646.
    The customer admitted
    that fact but said she did not have the intent to steal. 
    Id. The statement
    was
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    communicated to several managers on duty on the night of the incident, the
    security guard who investigated the incident, the assistant store manager, the
    director of the store, the district manager for the store, and the vice president of
    Randall’s human resources. 
    Id. at 647.
    The supreme court observed that “all of
    the employees who gave or received statements about the wreath incident had an
    interest or duty in the matter.” 
    Id. It held,
    “Randall’s established an absence of
    malice with regard to these statements by conclusively proving that its employees
    had reasonable grounds to believe that their statements were true.” 
    Id. (citing Casso
    v. Brand, 
    776 S.W.2d 551
    , 558 (Tex. 1989)).
    Similarly, in this case, Jesus satisfied the criteria set out in Randall’s for
    attachment of a legal excuse by meeting the requirements for immunity from civil
    liability under Family Code section 261.106.               Both statements were
    “communications made in the course of an investigation following a report
    of . . . wrongdoing.” 
    Id. at 646.
    Both were communications made only to “persons
    having an interest or duty in the matter to which the communications relate[d].”
    
    Id. Nor was
    there any evidence that the statements were made with “actual
    malice,” i.e., “knowledge of [their] falsity or with reckless disregard as to [their]
    truth.” 
    Id. Jesus’s statements
    followed L.S.’s repeated outcries; they followed the
    statement made to him by Valerie after the October 8, 2007 interview that L.S. had
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    made an additional outcry to the medical personnel who had interviewed her and
    had named Byles as the perpetrator of the assault; and they followed the report
    made to him by Valerie after the physical examination of L.S. on October 22 that
    the physician had stated he was unable to determine whether L.S. had been
    sexually assaulted by Byles. Also during this time period, CPS issued a report that
    included Valerie’s statement that “the doctor stated there was discharge[] but it
    was inconclusive if there was sexual abuse”; two CPS reports ruled out allegations
    of neglectful supervision by Valerie and Lisa, but stated that the investigators were
    “unable to determine” whether Byles had sexually assaulted L.S., and therefore
    found “significant risk factors” in L.S.’s living with Lisa, but found that those risk
    factors were controlled by Lisa’s prohibiting Byles from being around L.S.; and
    the family court granted custody of L.S. and F.S. to Lisa, but also enjoined her
    from allowing Byles to be around the children until further order of the court.
    There is no evidence that Jesus’s statements were made with knowledge of their
    falsity or with reckless disregard as to their truth. See 
    id. Nor was
    any evidence
    introduced—such as the tape of the CPS interview of L.S.—that might have shown
    Jesus’s statements to be, indeed, false statements of facts. Thus, because Jesus’s
    comments were made in the course of his “assist[ing] in the investigation of a
    report of alleged child abuse” or “otherwise participat[ing] in a judicial proceeding
    arising from a report . . . or investigation of alleged child abuse,” I would find that
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    his communications were statutorily protected and therefore legally excused. See
    TEX. FAM. CODE ANN. § 261.106(a); 
    Randall’s, 891 S.W.2d at 646
    .
    Even if Jesus had failed to establish a legal excuse for his statements under
    section 261.106, however, I would still hold that the first statement to Lisa was not
    an objectively verifiable statement of fact as a matter of law and that Byles did not
    prove that the second statement to Juan was a false statement of fact.
    B. Lack of Objective Verifiability
    To establish defamation, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant
    published a false statement of fact. See El-Khoury v. Kheir, 
    241 S.W.3d 82
    , 85
    (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] 2007, pet. denied); AccuBanc Mortg. Corp. v.
    Drummonds, 
    938 S.W.2d 135
    , 149 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth 1996, writ denied)
    (“Defamation involves the publication of a false statement of fact about the
    plaintiff.”). To succeed on a defamation claim, a plaintiff must demonstrate that
    (1) the defendant published a factual statement (2) that was capable of defamatory
    meaning (3) concerning the plaintiff (4) while acting with either negligence, if the
    plaintiff is a private individual, or actual malice, if the plaintiff is a public figure or
    public official, concerning the truth of the statement.          Vice v. Kasprzak, 
    318 S.W.3d 1
    , 12 (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] 2009, pet. denied) (citing WFAA-
    TV, Inc. v. McLemore, 
    978 S.W.2d 568
    , 571 (Tex. 1998)). “[A] private individual
    may recover damages from a publisher or broadcaster of a defamatory falsehood as
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    compensation for actual injury upon a showing that the publisher or broadcaster
    knew or should have known that the defamatory statement was false.” Foster v.
    Laredo Newspapers, Inc., 
    541 S.W.2d 809
    , 811, 819 (Tex. 1976); A.H. Belo Corp.
    v. Rayzor, 
    644 S.W.2d 71
    , 80, 82–83 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth 1982, writ ref’d
    n.r.e.).
    By contrast to false statements of fact injurious to reputation, all assertions
    of opinion are protected by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution
    and Article 1, Section 8 of the Texas Constitution. Carr v. Brasher, 
    776 S.W.2d 567
    , 570 (Tex. 1989); see also Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 
    418 U.S. 323
    , 339–40,
    
    94 S. Ct. 2997
    , 3007 (1974) (stating, “Under the First Amendment there is no such
    thing as a false idea. . . . But there is no constitutional value in false statements of
    fact.”). To put it another way, a plaintiff, to establish a cause of action for libel, is
    required to prove that “the defendant published a false, defamatory statement of
    fact, rather than an opinion,” or “[i]n other words, the plaintiff must prove that the
    statements    contained    false,   defamatory    facts   rather   than   opinions    or
    characterizations.” Columbia Valley Reg’l Med. Ctr. v. Bannert, 
    112 S.W.3d 193
    ,
    198 (Tex. App.—Corpus Christi 2003, no pet.).
    Whether a statement is an opinion or a statement of fact is a question of law
    for the courts. 
    Carr, 776 S.W.2d at 570
    ; 
    Bannert, 112 S.W.3d at 198
    . The
    threshold issue of whether words are capable of defamatory meaning is also a
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    question of law for the courts. Turner v. KTRK Television, Inc. 
    38 S.W.3d 103
    ,
    114 (Tex. 2000); 
    Vice, 318 S.W.3d at 17
    ; 
    Bannert, 112 S.W.3d at 198
    . The courts
    construe the statement as a whole in light of the surrounding circumstances based
    on how a person of ordinary intelligence would perceive it. 
    Vice, 318 S.W.3d at 17
    ; 
    Bannert, 112 S.W.3d at 198
    . The test as to whether words or statements are
    defamatory is the reasonable person test. 
    Vice, 318 S.W.3d at 17
    . “The analysis
    for distinguishing between an actionable statement of fact and a constitutionally
    protected expression of opinion focuses on the statement’s verifiability and the
    entire context in which it was made.” 
    Id. at 18.
    A statement is capable of
    defamatory meaning if it is both false and injurious to the reputation of the person
    about whom it is made. See Casso v. Brand, 
    776 S.W.2d 551
    , 554 (Tex. 1989); see
    also 
    Gertz, 418 U.S. at 339
    –40, 
    94 S. Ct. 2997
    , 3007; N.Y. Times Co. v. Sullivan,
    
    376 U.S. 254
    , 279–80, 
    84 S. Ct. 710
    , 726 (1964).
    In this case, as the majority states, “There is no evidence in the record that
    this matter was being discussed by anyone other than the officials in charge of the
    various investigations, and Lisa’s family.” Slip Op. at 20. Therefore, this is a
    private person/private person defamation case, and Byles, as the plaintiff, had the
    burden of proving that the statements upon which he based his defamation claims
    were objectively verifiable statements of fact, that they were false and injurious to
    his reputation, and that they were made negligently, i.e., were below the standard
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    of care of an ordinary person making such a statement, given the entire context of
    the statement—assuming they were not protected by section 261.106 as statements
    made by Jesus in good faith in the course of assisting in the investigation of a
    report of child abuse, i.e., L.S.’s outcry. See TEX. FAM. CODE ANN. § 261.106(a).
    The first statement, “Stephen’s hand on your granddaughter’s vagina isn’t
    what dictates this,” is plainly not a verifiable statement of fact, but a statement of
    opinion or characterization. See 
    Bannert, 112 S.W.3d at 198
    . As such, it is
    constitutionally protected speech. See 
    Gertz, 418 U.S. at 339
    –40, 94 S. Ct. at
    3007; 
    Carr, 776 S.W.2d at 570
    .
    In the case of the second statement, neither the content nor the entire context
    of the statement is objectively verifiable. Nor was the statement shown to be a
    false statement of fact. See 
    Vice, 318 S.W.3d at 18
    . The out-of-court unrecorded
    statement by Jesus was made approximately two years before Juan’s deposition, in
    which Juan testified as follows:
    Q:     What statement did Mister—or what statements did Jesus make
    about [Byles] to put him in a negative light?
    A:     That he had molested one of my—my niece’s kids.
    Q:     And who did he—well, strike that. Which child?
    A:     [L.S.]
    ....
    Q:     Okay. And when in time was it that Jesus made this statement
    to you?
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    A:   This was in January—I believe January of ’08.
    Q:   Okay. And how did the statement come about? Did he call
    you, or was it in person?
    A:   It was a telephone call.
    Q:   Okay. And he called you and said what?
    A:   That, you know, he knew that Steven had done—had molested
    that—[L.S.]
    Q:   Did he express it as an opinion that he thought the child had
    done—that Steven had done this, or that he expressed it as a
    fact?
    A:   That he knew.
    Q:   Did he—did Jesus report to you that he had reported to others
    negative comments about [Byles]?
    A:   That he had reported to other family members that—right there
    and then he did not state that he had told anybody else, no.
    Q:   Okay. And did you later come into any information that that
    had happened?
    A:   Yeah.
    Q:   What information did you receive?
    A:   From one of my brothers that had come over to my house and
    they told me that he had already heard a recording and that
    they knew that, that she has been molested according to—
    Q:   And where did they get that information from?
    A:   My brother.
    Q:   And your brother, you’re talking about your brother, Jesus,
    reported it to what other family members?
    A:   My brother Gabriel and my brother Andy as far as I knew
    because they had came and told me.
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    (Emphasis added.) The recording that Juan testified Jesus had heard was not
    introduced into evidence by Byles as proof of the falsity or recklessness of Jesus’s
    report.
    As it is, this testimony does not even support the trial court’s finding that
    Jesus had told Juan “that a doctor had examined L.S. and that the doctor had
    confirmed that L.S. had been sexually molested by [Stephen Byles].” The closest
    Juan’s deposition testimony comes to conforming to the finding of fact by the trial
    court is the following:
    Q:     Okay. Now, did Jesus make any statements to you with regards
    to whether or not [L.S.] had been taken to a doctor with regards
    to the sexual abuse claim?
    A:     Yes. Yes. Because I—I really hadn’t known that she went
    until he told me.
    Q:     And what did he tell you about the doctor appointment?
    A:     That she was a—confirmed that she was molested.
    Q:     That a doctor had confirmed that she had been sexually
    molested by [Byles]?
    A:     Yes.
    Q:     And he told you that in the same conversation?
    A:     That was the only conversation I had with him.
    In this deposition testimony, Juan did no more than confirm words put in his
    mouth by Byles’s attorney after he had failed to use those words in his initial
    deposition testimony. However, even if the content of Jesus’s statement is taken to
    be what the trial court found it to be—that Jesus told Juan that a doctor had
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    confirmed that L.S. had been sexually molested by Byles—this statement is not
    shown by anything in the record of this case to be false. Byles had the burden of
    establishing the falsity of Jesus’s statement, and he failed to include in the record
    either the tape of the CAC interview, which Juan testified Jesus had heard, or
    L.S.’s medical records that might have shown that Jesus’s report was false.
    Therefore, Byles failed to carry his burden of proof. See 
    Foster, 541 S.W.2d at 811
    ; 
    El-Khoury, 241 S.W.3d at 85
    ; AccuBanc 
    Mortg., 93 S.W.2d at 149
    .
    Moreover, Valerie’s statement that the doctor reported to her on October 22, 2007,
    that “there was discharge[] but it was inconclusive if there was sexual abuse” tends
    to confirm the substantial truth of the statement, or, at least, tends to negate the
    statement’s having been made recklessly and with disregard of its truth or with
    actual knowledge of its falsity.
    Furthermore, because Jesus’s statement to Juan was supported by evidence
    deemed credible enough by both CPS and the family court to justify a court order
    enjoining Lisa from allowing Byles to be around L.S., it cannot be said that Jesus’s
    statement was unreasonable or that his statement was made in bad faith. See 
    Vice, 318 S.W.3d at 17
    (setting out reasonable person test); TEX. FAM. CODE ANN.
    § 261.106(c) (stating that immunity does not extend to statements made in bad
    faith).
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    Were I to reach the merits of Byles’s defamation claim, I would hold that
    Jesus’s statement to Lisa was either an expression of Jesus’s opinion or his
    characterization of what he had been told by Valerie and had heard on the
    recording and that Byles did not prove that Jesus’s statement to Juan was false.
    See 
    Bannert, 112 S.W.3d at 198
    . Nor did Byles show that the statements on which
    Jesus’s liability was predicated were made negligently or with reckless disregard
    for the truth. Rather, they were made in the context of the investigation of an
    outcry which Jesus and all persons with knowledge were required by Family Code
    section 261.101 to report, and they have evidentiary support in the record.
    Therefore, even if I did not believe, as I do, that the trial court’s entry of a
    judgment against Jesus for damages for defamation was barred by Jesus’s statutory
    immunity from civil liability under Family Code section 261.106, I would hold that
    the trial court erred in entering judgment in favor of Byles on his defamation
    claims.
    Accordingly, I would sustain appellant’s second issue.
    Conclusion
    This is a case of fundamental jurisdictional error. I believe the trial court
    erred in trying appellant Jesus Miranda’s defense of immunity from liability under
    Family Code section 261.106 for statements made to family members during the
    course of an investigation of alleged child sexual abuse simultaneously with its
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    trial of the merits of appellee Stephen Byles’s defamation suit against Jesus based
    on those statements; that it erred in finding Jesus not to be immune from liability
    for his statements; and that it erred in exercising jurisdiction over the merits of
    Byles’s defamation claim and in rendering a judgment for damages against Jesus
    on that defamation claim.
    I would hold that Jesus was immune from civil liability on Byles’s
    defamation claim under Family Code section 261.106. Therefore, the trial court
    should have granted Jesus’s claim of immunity from liability, and it should have
    dismissed Byles’s defamation claim for failure to state a claim upon which relief
    could be granted.
    Even if I were to find that Jesus was not immune from liability for his
    statements and that, therefore, the trial court did have jurisdiction to enter a money
    judgment against him for defamation, I would still find that the single hearsay
    statement allegedly made by Jesus to his brother that the majority agrees is
    defamatory was not shown to be a false statement of fact capable of supporting a
    judgment for liability for defamation. Accordingly, I respectfully dissent from the
    majority’s opinion and judgment affirming the trial court’s judgment.
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    I would vacate the judgment of the trial court and render the judgment the
    trial court should have rendered, dismissing the case for lack of jurisdiction.
    Alternatively, I would reverse and render judgment that Byles take nothing by his
    claims.
    Evelyn V. Keyes
    Justice
    Panel consists of Justices Keyes, Higley, and Massengale.
    Justice Keyes, dissenting.
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