Joseph Eugene Smith v. Commonwealth of Virginia ( 2022 )


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  •                                              COURT OF APPEALS OF VIRGINIA
    Present: Judges Huff, Athey and Fulton
    UNPUBLISHED
    Argued by videoconference
    JOSEPH EUGENE SMITH
    MEMORANDUM OPINION* BY
    v.     Record No. 0680-21-2                                  JUDGE CLIFFORD L. ATHEY, JR.
    MAY 17, 2022
    COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA
    FROM THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE CITY OF RICHMOND
    Beverly W. Snukals, Judge
    Samantha Offutt Thames, Senior Assistant Public Defender, for
    appellant.
    Tanner M. Russo, Assistant Attorney General (Jason S. Miyares,
    Attorney General; Matthew P. Dullaghan, Senior Assistant Attorney
    General, on brief), for appellee.
    Joseph Eugene Smith (“Smith”) appeals his convictions and related sentences on two
    counts of rape of a child under thirteen and one count of object sexual penetration of a child
    under thirteen. He was tried by a jury in the Circuit Court of the City of Richmond (“trial
    court”). On appeal, Smith contends that the trial court erred by (1) denying him funds for
    experts, (2) excluding certain expert testimony, (3) denying his motion to dismiss for outrageous
    governmental misconduct, and (4) upholding his mandatory minimum life sentences as
    constitutional. For the following reasons, we reverse and remand.
    I. BACKGROUND
    In early 2019, Smith was charged with repeatedly raping and sexually penetrating his
    former girlfriend’s daughter over a four-year period. After initially denying that he committed
    *
    Pursuant to Code § 17.1-413, this opinion is not designated for publication.
    the crimes, he confessed during an interrogation by law enforcement later in 2019. Following
    his confession, he was arrested, indicted, and eventually convicted by a jury on two counts of
    rape of a child under thirteen and one count of object sexual penetration of a child under thirteen.
    He was also acquitted on two of the counts of rape of a child under thirteen. He received a
    mandatory minimum life sentence on each of his three convictions.
    A. Expert Funds & Testimony
    The only evidence of the alleged crimes was the victim’s accusation and Smith’s
    confession. Smith sought to challenge the credibility of his confession by showing that he was
    susceptible to the interrogation techniques law enforcement used in the 2019 interrogation. On
    November 25, 2019, Smith, an indigent defendant, filed a motion requesting $2,500 for “an
    expert in [the] coercive nature of custodial interrogations and false confessions.” The court
    granted that motion.
    On January 30, 2020, Smith filed two additional motions for expert funds. In the first, he
    asked for $4,000 to secure the interrogation expert’s testimony at trial concerning the Reid
    Technique and its effect on the reliability of his confession made as a result of that technique
    being employed by law enforcement. In the second motion, Smith asked for $10,000 for an
    expert to evaluate Smith’s cognitive abilities and further to testify about Smith’s heightened
    susceptibility to the interrogation techniques used to obtain his confession.1 The trial court
    denied both motions for funds on February 12, 2020, saying that the video recording of the
    interrogation meant that “the jury’s going to see the actual tactics used by the police.” The trial
    court also ruled that the theoretical content of the Reid Technique was irrelevant before ruling
    that, despite indications that Smith had some degree of cognitive impairment, the defense had not
    “met its burden of showing a particularized need for” funds for the psychological expert.
    1
    Smith did not raise the insanity defense.
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    After first filing and then abandoning a motion for an ex parte hearing on expert funds,2
    Smith filed a renewed motion for $7,000 to retain the psychological expert. The renewed motion
    was based on proffered evidence indicating that Smith may be suffering from HIV-Associated
    Neurocognitive Disorder (“HAND”).3 The Commonwealth opposed the renewed motion, and
    the trial court denied it on April 17, 2020. However, the trial court indicated that it had not “shut
    the door completely,” and further opined that an indication from the proposed expert of exactly
    what it would take to confirm or rule out a diagnosis of HAND might justify granting enough
    funds to evaluate Smith for HAND. Finally, the trial court stated that if Smith were diagnosed
    with HAND, it would consider a future motion for additional funds for trial preparation and
    expert psychological testimony.
    In response, Smith immediately filed a motion requesting $3,500 to have Smith evaluated
    for HAND. The newly filed motion proffered that Dr. Scott Bender from the University of
    Virginia Department of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences had agreed to conduct a
    neuropsychological evaluation of Smith in jail. The Commonwealth opposed the motion and
    filed its own motion in limine seeking to exclude all the expert testimony Smith hoped to present
    at trial. On May 7, 2020, the trial court granted funds for the police interrogation expert sua
    sponte but denied the funds for the neuropsychological evaluation for HAND.
    In October of 2020, during the hearing on the Commonwealth’s motion in limine to
    exclude all expert testimony, the Commonwealth conceded that “the Reid Technique . . . is
    2
    The request was made pursuant to Virginia House Bill 824, which was subsequently
    enacted, became effective on July 1, 2020, and was codified at Code § 19.2-266.4. 2020 Va.
    Acts ch. 1124. The bill provided that all indigent criminal defendants charged with a felony or
    Class 1 misdemeanor may request that a different judge be designated to hear an ex parte motion
    for expert funds. Code § 19.2-266.4(A). The Commonwealth filed its response on March 31,
    2020, arguing that the bill was just that—a bill, not duly enacted law.
    3
    Smith and the Commonwealth attached a variety of medical journal articles and law
    review articles to their submissions to the trial court.
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    outside the common juror’s knowledge.” However, the Commonwealth still maintained that the
    jury could understand how the components of the Reid Technique were used in the interrogation
    of Smith and the effect the technique would likely have on a person like him. The
    Commonwealth also argued that expert testimony on the Reid Technique should be excluded
    because it would be duplicative of testimony that could be elicited from the interrogator on
    cross-examination. Finally, the Commonwealth argued that the proposed police interrogation
    expert was not qualified to give expert testimony because his knowledge was based solely on
    watching interrogations and reading the literature on false confessions. Following the hearing,
    the trial court granted the Commonwealth’s motion to exclude the proposed police interrogation
    expert’s testimony.
    On November 5, 2020, Smith filed yet another motion seeking expert funds to secure an
    expert to testify generally on the psychological factors which make a person susceptible to
    interrogation techniques. This time, Smith requested $7,000 but asked for at least $1,050 “to
    secure Dr. Aaron’s presence at a future hearing to determine the admissibility of his testimony.”
    Following a hearing on November 13, 2020, the trial court reviewed all the issues of funding and
    admissibility of expert evidence. It reiterated its belief that the average juror can readily
    understand how the interrogation techniques used during the interrogation of Smith would affect
    the subject of an interrogation, as well as its belief that cross-examination of the interrogator
    could elicit an adequate explanation of the Reid Technique. The trial court did grant $2,000 to
    bring Dr. Aaron, a trained psychologist, to Richmond for a pretrial hearing so that the court
    could determine whether this proposed expert could provide any admissible testimony. The trial
    court also indicated that it would consider allowing testimony laying out all or some factors that
    psychologists believe lead to false confessions only if the defense could offer additional
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    testimony tying each of the factors to Smith. Smith never secured a hearing date and never tried
    to bring Dr. Aaron to Richmond to proffer his testimony.
    B. Attorney-Client Privilege
    Smith was confined in the Richmond City Jail (“jail”) from the time he was arrested until
    the trial. The jail where he was confined stopped public visitation as a result of the COVID-19
    pandemic in late March or early April of 2020. The jail only permitted attorneys and law
    enforcement officers to visit prisoners. Inmates were only permitted to consult with their
    attorneys by phone, through a glass barrier, or with a video call system that placed the attorney
    and the inmate in separate rooms in the jail. The video system’s software automatically recorded
    all of these audio and video calls, but the deputies could change a setting to indicate the visit was
    professional and thereby prevent the video call from being recorded. Jail officials advised the
    Richmond Public Defender’s Office, which represented Smith below from the time he was
    arrested, that no attorney visits were being recorded.
    In October of 2020, Smith’s attorneys received discovery from the Commonwealth that
    included a disc containing recordings of Smith’s phone calls and video visits, including videos of
    two meetings with Smith’s attorneys. One video recording was from late March of 2020 and the
    other from early April of 2020. Both video recordings were of privileged trial strategy meetings.
    In addition, in response to a request from the lead investigator in Smith’s case for all of Smith’s
    calls within a certain time frame, an official at the jail had burned the two video recordings and
    many recordings of non-privileged phone calls to a disc and gave that disc to the lead
    investigator in Smith’s case. The investigator, in turn, gave a copy to the Commonwealth.
    Although several police recruits listened to some of the phone calls for training purposes, no
    investigator, police officer, or prosecutor listened to or watched the video recordings of the trial
    strategy meetings.
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    In late 2020, based on the police having recorded the two trial strategy meetings, Smith
    moved to dismiss the indictments or, in the alternative, exclude at trial all recordings of Smith’s
    communications from the jail. The motion was based on the government’s alleged violation of
    Smith’s attorney-client privilege and his Sixth Amendment right to counsel. Following a hearing
    on the motion to dismiss, the trial court found that the government’s conduct might have been
    negligent or even grossly negligent, but not purposeful, and therefore denied the motion to
    dismiss and ruled that all privileged communications were inadmissible at trial. The trial court
    permitted Smith’s attorney to decide the method for reviewing the recordings to determine which
    communications were privileged and to ensure that the Commonwealth had not listened to any
    privileged communications.
    II. STANDARDS OF REVIEW
    Whether a defendant’s constitutional rights have been violated is subject to de novo
    review by this Court. Blunt v. Commonwealth, 
    62 Va. App. 1
    , 8 (2013) (citing Henderson v.
    Commonwealth, 
    285 Va. 318
    , 329 (2013)). We review the legal question without deference to
    the decision below but defer to the trial court’s findings of fact unless they are plainly wrong or
    unsupported by the evidence. Henderson, 285 Va. at 329.
    We “review[] a trial court’s evidentiary rulings for abuse of discretion.” Graves v.
    Shoemaker, 
    299 Va. 357
    , 361 (2020) (citing Hyundai Motor Co. v. Duncan, 
    289 Va. 147
    , 155
    (2015)). A decision to deny expert funds is also reviewed for abuse of discretion, even when the
    denial allegedly violated the defendant’s constitutional rights. See Lawlor v. Commonwealth,
    
    285 Va. 187
    , 233 (2013). “[T]he phrase ‘abuse of discretion’ means that the circuit court ‘has a
    range of choice, and that its decision will not be disturbed as long as it stays within that range
    and is not influenced by any mistake of law.’” Ellis v. Commonwealth, 
    68 Va. App. 706
    , 711
    (2018) (alteration in original) (quoting Sauder v. Ferguson, 
    289 Va. 449
    , 459 (2015)).
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    III. ANALYSIS
    A. Expert Funds & Expert Testimony
    Smith sought funding for a police interrogations expert who would have: (1) described
    the Reid Technique and pointed out how the technique was used in the interrogation of Smith;
    (2) opined that experts in his field generally contend that the Reid Technique leads to false
    confessions about 15% of the time, and (3) educated the jury on what factors (both intrinsic and
    extrinsic) make the subject of an interrogation more likely to confess to a crime even when he or
    she did not commit the crime. The trial court excluded all of this proposed expert testimony.
    Smith also sought funding to obtain a neuropsychological evaluation as well as expert testimony
    from a neuropsychological expert to inform the jury as to the intrinsic (personal) and extrinsic
    (circumstantial) factors that render an individual particularly susceptible to falsely confess under
    the pressure of interrogation techniques. The trial court granted some of the requests for funds
    but denied others.
    We review each of these rulings because, although we normally decide cases on the best
    and narrowest grounds, if we reverse on one ruling, “we will [also] examine . . . the remaining
    . . . [evidentiary] issues that are likely to arise in a new trial on remand.” Emerald Point, LLC v.
    Hawkins, 
    294 Va. 544
    , 555 (2017) (citing Cain v. Lee, 
    290 Va. 129
    , 136 (2015)); see also
    Harman v. Honeywell Int’l., Inc., 
    288 Va. 84
    , 95-96 (citing Velocity Express Mid-Atlantic, Inc. v.
    Hugen, 
    266 Va. 188
    , 203 (2003)). However, we do not address the constitutionality of Smith’s
    mandatory minimum life sentences.
    1. Availability of Expert Funds
    Smith contends that he was denied a fair trial because the trial court refused to grant him
    funds to pay for various experts. Except for his request for funds for a neuropsychological
    evaluation and for funds for a psychological expert to testify that major depression and
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    unmedicated anxiety could render a person more susceptible to give a false confession, all of the
    expert testimony that would have been procured through the use of these funds would have been
    inadmissible at trial as a result of the trial court’s evidentiary rulings. Because we affirm on
    those issues, any potential error in refusing the requests for funds for experts to testify to those
    things was harmless. See Sanchez v. Commonwealth, 
    41 Va. App. 340
    , 352-53 (2003); see also
    Payne v. Commonwealth, 
    65 Va. App. 194
     (2015).
    The Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment of the
    United States Constitution guarantee indigent criminal defendants the right to be provided with
    “the basic tools of an adequate defense.” Ake v. Oklahoma, 
    470 U.S. 68
    , 77 (1985) (quoting
    Britt v. North Carolina, 
    404 U.S. 226
    , 227 (1971)); Dowdy v. Commonwealth, 
    278 Va. 577
    , 598
    (2009) (citing Husske v. Commonwealth, 
    252 Va. 203
    , 211 (1996)). This right extends beyond
    the insanity defense to all issues raised at the guilt or sentencing phase which depend on the
    defendant’s mental condition. See Johnson v. Commonwealth, 
    292 Va. 772
     (2016). If the
    defendant is entitled to such assistance, the state must provide “access to a competent
    psychiatrist who will conduct an appropriate [1] examination and assist in [2] evaluation,
    [3] preparation, and [4] presentation of the defense.” McWilliams v. Dunn, 
    137 S. Ct. 1790
    ,
    1800 (2017) (quoting Ake, 
    470 U.S. at 83
    ).
    To be entitled to this assistance, the defendant must “demonstrate that the subject which
    necessitates the assistance of the expert is likely to be a significant factor in his defense, and that
    he will be prejudiced by the lack of expert assistance.” Commonwealth v. Sanchez, 
    268 Va. 161
    ,
    165 (2004) (internal quotation marks omitted) (quoting Husske, 
    252 Va. at 211-12
    ). The
    defendant must therefore show a “particularized need” for the defense expert in question, which
    means “that the services of an expert would materially assist [the defendant] in the preparation of
    his defense and that the denial of such services would result in a fundamentally unfair trial.”
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    Johnson, 292 Va. at 778. “A particularized need is more than a ‘[m]ere hope’ that favorable
    evidence can be obtained through the services of an expert.” Green v. Commonwealth, 
    266 Va. 81
    , 92 (2003) (quoting Husske, 
    252 Va. at 212
    ). To demonstrate a particularized need for expert
    assistance, a defendant must have a concrete idea of what favorable evidence will be obtained.
    Johnson, 292 Va. at 778-79; Sanchez, 
    268 Va. at 166
    . Just “rolling the dice” in the hopes that
    favorable evidence will turn up does not justify the expense. Barksdale v. Commonwealth, 
    31 Va. App. 205
    , 211 (1999).
    Here, the trial court abused its discretion in refusing Smith the funds he needed to bring
    an appropriate expert to testify that mental illness, including such disorders as major depression
    and anxiety, render a person more susceptible to confessing falsely. Smith’s many proffers of
    proposed expert testimony made clear that mental illness and cognitive impairment, among other
    things, render a person more susceptible to interrogation techniques. Therefore, funding this
    request for expert assistance would not have condoned a fishing expedition. Expert testimony on
    this point was admissible, and therefore refusing those funds resulted in Smith’s trial being
    unfair because his confession was clearly one of only two pillars—the other being the victim’s
    accusation—supporting his conviction.4
    The trial court also erred in refusing to grant expert funds to permit Smith to be evaluated
    for HAND. The trial court opined that Smith had to provide evidence that he had been
    diagnosed with HAND in order to receive expert funds to bring an expert to trial to testify to
    Smith’s impaired cognitive symptoms. But Smith had proffered evidence that his longtime HIV
    doctor believed he “fit the profile for [HAND],” that “half of all treated HIV patients have
    cognitive impairment,” and that cognitive impairments caused by HAND “cannot be reversed”
    by “antiretroviral therapy.” In 2009, Smith was diagnosed with HIV Stage III (AIDS), “the most
    4
    See infra, note 6 and accompanying text.
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    severe state of HIV infection.” He had most of the risk factors for HAND, including major
    depression, anxiety, advanced age (over 50 years old), use of illicit drugs (marijuana), Hepatitis
    C co-infection, obesity, blood pressure abnormalities, hypertension, indications of previous bouts
    of insomnia, and “[l]ow CD4+ T cells nadir.” Smith also proffered testimony from his daughter
    indicating that his mental faculties “began to deteriorate about 6-8 years ago” (2012-14),
    including memory loss and comprehension difficulties. Smith’s attorneys supported that proffer
    by noting Smith’s “limitations in terms of his comprehension of material and concepts presented
    by counsel.”
    With these indications that Smith suffered from HAND, counsel did not need a diagnosis
    to show that an evaluation was not just a fishing expedition. Nor could counsel have been
    expected to specify the exact cognitive impairments the evaluation would likely disclose.5
    Indeed, the court’s two grants of funds for the police interrogation expert support our conclusion
    that this was not a fishing expedition. Smith wanted experts to inform the jury that a variety of
    cognitive impairments, mental illnesses, and psychological traits render a person more
    susceptible to interrogation techniques and prove that Smith had some of those impairments,
    illnesses, and traits. A careful review of the entire record reveals that the proffers were sufficient
    to show that this was no mere fishing expedition. It was enough to provide significant and
    uncontradicted evidence of cognitive decline and of some cognitive impairments and to point out
    the sorts of cognitive impairments that can accompany HAND. In light of those proffers and the
    constitutional rights explained in Ake, we have no choice but to hold that the trial court erred.
    5
    The trial court at one point indicated that a neuropsychological evaluation alone could
    not yield a diagnosis and that it believed additional medical testing was necessary. Smith argued
    that nothing more than a neuropsychological evaluation was needed. If more testing was
    necessary, the trial court should have funded it as well.
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    Without knowing what the neuropsychological evaluation would find, we cannot say that this
    error was harmless. Cf. Pritchett v. Commonwealth, 
    263 Va. 182
    , 187-88 (2002).
    2. Expert Testimony on Major Depression & Unmedicated Anxiety
    The trial court also held that expert testimony explaining the effects of the interrogation
    techniques on a person like Smith—who had been diagnosed with major depression and anxiety,
    had not been taking his anxiety medications for some time before the interrogation, and had
    memory problems—was within the purview of the jury. The trial court believed the jury did not
    need an expert to “comprehend the subject matter, form an intelligent opinion, and draw its
    conclusions.” The trial court therefore excluded expert testimony on whether and to what extent
    a person’s major depression and unmedicated anxiety could influence the person to confess
    falsely under the pressure of interrogation techniques. Smith challenges this ruling.
    The Commonwealth argues that Smith waived this argument because the trial court
    granted $2,000 to bring the psychological expert to Richmond so that the parties could voir dire
    him and attempt to convince the court that the expert could “connect the dots” between Smith’s
    case and the factors that make a confession more likely to be false. The trial court decided to
    give Smith enough money to bring the expert to Richmond for a hearing and indicated it might
    allow testimony on those factors to the extent Smith could persuade the court that each factor
    could be tied specifically to Smith’s confession. Contrary to the Commonwealth’s argument on
    appeal, the court did not give Smith permission to try to convince the court to overturn its prior
    evidentiary rulings. Instead, it allowed Smith to try to elicit from the expert the intrinsic and
    extrinsic factors that applied to Smith that the trial court had not yet been presented with and for
    which expert testimony would be appropriate. A fair reading of the record reveals that the court
    was simply allowing Smith to present evidence not yet proffered to the court of factors present in
    his case that would make his confession more likely to be false, or perhaps other evidence
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    regarding the science of false confessions that could convince the trial court that it was
    sufficiently reliable to form the basis of expert testimony questioning the inherent effects of the
    Reid Technique. Because the trial court’s grant of funds did not invite Smith to relitigate its
    ruling excluding expert testimony on Smith’s major depression and unmedicated anxiety, Smith
    did not waive his right to contest that original denial on appeal.
    In a criminal case, “an expert may testify to a witness’s or defendant’s mental disorder
    and the hypothetical effect of that disorder on a person in the witness’s or defendant’s situation.”
    Pritchett, 
    263 Va. at
    187 (citing Fitzgerald v. Commonwealth, 
    223 Va. 615
    , 629-30 (1982)).
    Such testimony provides “information on subjects unfamiliar to the jury.” 
    Id.
     Evidence at a
    pretrial hearing indicated that Smith suffered from major depression and anxiety and had not
    been taking his anxiety medications for some time before the interrogation. At trial, medical
    records showing his diagnoses of major depression and anxiety were introduced without
    objection. Although there may be some mental disorders or illnesses with such slight effects that
    an ordinary person could understand their effects on a person’s susceptibility to make a false
    confession and draw informed conclusions without expert assistance, we do not believe that
    major depression and unmedicated anxiety fall within that category. Smith was therefore entitled
    to present expert testimony from a qualified expert on the susceptibility of a person suffering
    from major depression and unmedicated anxiety to making a false confession.
    Our view is confirmed by other Virginia cases addressing the effects of mental disorders
    and illnesses, medications, and intoxicating beverages. The effects of the following on
    susceptibility to interrogation techniques are outside the common knowledge of the jury: low
    IQ, id. at 185-87; antisocial personality disorder, Coppola v. Commonwealth, 
    220 Va. 243
    ,
    252-53 (1979); and dissociative disorders, Orndorff v. Commonwealth, 
    45 Va. App. 822
     (2005),
    rev’d on other grounds, 
    271 Va. 486
     (2006). Also outside the common knowledge of the jury
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    are “the individual and cumulative effects of LSD, Tranxene, and alcohol.” Fitzgerald, 
    223 Va. at 629
     (emphasis added). The average juror surely knows something about the physiological and
    psychological effects of excessive alcohol consumption, but we have nonetheless allowed expert
    testimony on those effects in criminal cases. 
    Id.
     Similar rationales apply to expert testimony on
    other subjects. Wakeman v. Commonwealth, 
    69 Va. App. 528
    , 536 (2018) (approving expert
    testimony on the forensic examination of sexual assault victims); Stevens v. Commonwealth, 
    72 Va. App. 546
    , 554-55 (2020) (allowing expert testimony on delayed disclosure of child sexual
    abuse); Pelletier v. Commonwealth, 
    42 Va. App. 406
    , 419-22 (2004) (allowing expert testimony
    on the use of tracking dogs).
    Accordingly, we believe that, although many people have some familiarity with
    depression and anxiety and some other relatively common mental illnesses, an expert would have
    been appropriate in this case because of the diagnosis of major depression and the defendant’s
    failure to take his anxiety medication for some time prior to the interrogation. The nature of the
    trial court’s refusal to admit this testimony and refusal to provide expert funds prevents us from
    being “sure that [the error] did not ‘influence the jury’ or had only a ‘slight effect.’” Shifflett v.
    Commonwealth, 
    289 Va. 10
    , 12 (2015) (quoting Clay v. Commonwealth, 
    262 Va. 253
    , 260
    (2001)). We do not know how the experts Smith requested would have testified regarding the
    hypothetical susceptibility to falsely confessing a person would be who suffered from major
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    depression and had not taken his anxiety medications in some time. Therefore, we cannot draw a
    firm conclusion about how such testimony would or would not have affected the jury’s decision.6
    3. Relevance of Psychological Factors
    The trial court also ruled that expert psychological testimony on the intrinsic and
    extrinsic factors that render a confession more likely to have been given falsely would only be
    relevant if Smith also produced evidence showing that those factors applied to him. Relevant
    evidence is generally admissible. Va. R. Evid. 2:402(a). Evidence is relevant if it has “any
    tendency to make the existence of any fact in issue more probable or less probable than it would
    be without the evidence.” Va. R. Evid. 2:401. “The scope of relevant evidence in Virginia is
    quite broad, as ‘[e]very fact, however remote or insignificant, that tends to establish probability
    or improbability of a fact in issue is relevant.’” Morgan v. Commonwealth, 
    73 Va. App. 512
    ,
    527 (2021) (alteration in original) (quoting Commonwealth v. Proffitt, 
    292 Va. 626
    , 634 (2016)).
    If Smith’s expert had been allowed to give a list of factors that tend to show that a
    confession is false, the Commonwealth could have pointed to the absence of proof of any one of
    those factors as an indication that the confession was more likely to be true. Therefore, the trial
    court erred in holding that the list of intrinsic and extrinsic factors that render a subject more
    likely to falsely confess under the pressures of an interrogation were relevant only to the extent
    that they were present in this case. However, we “can[] say, with fair assurance, . . . that the
    6
    Some evidence suggested that Smith had recently withdrawn financial assistance to the
    victim’s family. Additionally, the victim had gotten in trouble at school for choking a fellow
    student, and when asked by her mother if she was acting out because she was being abused, the
    victim said that abuse was the cause and accused Smith of sexually abusing her. We cannot and
    do not pass any judgment on whether the victim is telling the truth. Instead, we are called upon
    to determine whether the jury would have convicted Smith if he had presented expert testimony
    questioning the reliability of his confession. We are uncertain what conclusion the jury would
    have reached if it had been confronted with such testimony because it might have influenced the
    jury to consider the victim’s motives to fabricate in a different light and might have come to a
    different conclusion.
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    judgment was not substantially swayed by the error.” Tomlin v. Commonwealth, 
    74 Va. App. 392
    , 410 (2022) (quoting Commonwealth v. Swann, 
    290 Va. 194
    , 201 (2015)). Here, to the
    extent that the trial court excluded testimony regarding the factors which were not present in this
    case, the error was harmless because such testimony would have only assisted the
    Commonwealth in proving that Smith was more likely to have committed the alleged criminal
    acts.7
    4. Description of the Reid Technique
    The trial court ruled that Smith’s proposed expert testimony describing the Reid
    Technique and how it was used in the interrogation would be needlessly cumulative because
    Smith could elicit that testimony on cross-examination of the interrogator. Virginia courts may
    exclude otherwise admissible evidence if it is “needlessly cumulative.” Va. R. Evid. 2:403(b).
    Although Smith’s interrogation expert might have expounded in a more thorough and learned
    fashion on the Reid Technique than the interrogator did, at trial the interrogator explained the
    Reid Technique and candidly admitted the manner in which it and other interrogation techniques
    were used during the interrogation. Therefore, we cannot say the trial court abused its discretion
    in excluding cumulative expert testimony on the same matters. See May v. Caruso, 
    264 Va. 358
    ,
    363 (2002).
    5. Expert Qualifications of Police Interrogation Expert
    The trial court also held that Smith’s proposed interrogation expert was not qualified to
    discuss the factors that psychologists contend render a person more likely to confess falsely.
    However, even if the trial court was in error, Smith later proposed that a neuropsychological
    expert should be permitted to give the same testimony. Since the neuropsychological expert had
    7
    As discussed above, Smith was entitled to present expert testimony tying his major
    depression and unmedicated anxiety to his susceptibility to interrogation techniques because that
    evidence was relevant and expert testimony was appropriate.
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    received extensive training in psychology, the Commonwealth did not challenge whether the
    neuropsychological expert was qualified to testify as to those factors and the point of contention
    was over the admissibility of the testimony. In other words, Smith had an opportunity to and did
    propose expert testimony presenting the same evidence through a different expert with
    unchallenged qualifications. Any error in finding the proposed interrogation expert unqualified
    was therefore harmless. See Tomlin, 74 Va. App. at 410 (quoting Swann, 290 Va. at 201).
    6. Criticism of the Reid Technique
    Having disposed of some of the expert evidentiary issues on other grounds, we turn to the
    issues requiring analysis of Virginia’s expert testimony rules. The trial court excluded testimony
    from Smith’s proposed interrogation expert on “the surprising frequency of false confessions”
    because the science of false confession work was not sufficiently reliable and because the
    proposed expert had insufficient experience. Neither ruling was an abuse of discretion.
    In criminal cases, “expert testimony is admissible” if three requirements are met:
    (1) “scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will assist the trier of fact to understand
    the evidence or to determine a fact in issue;” (2) “the subject matter is beyond the knowledge and
    experience of ordinary persons, such that the jury needs expert opinion in order to comprehend
    the subject matter, form an intelligent opinion, and draw its conclusions;” and (3) the “witness
    qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education may testify thereto
    in the form of an opinion or otherwise.” Va. R. Evid. 2:702(a)(i)-(ii). An expert may testify
    regarding the “physical and psychological environment surrounding a confession,” including “a
    witness’s or defendant’s mental disorder and the hypothetical effect of that disorder.” Jackson v.
    Commonwealth, 
    266 Va. 423
    , 438 (2003) (quoting Pritchett, 
    263 Va. at 187
    ).
    First, Smith contends that the trial court erred by relying on a Daubert v. Merrell Dow
    Pharmaceuticals, 
    509 U.S. 579
     (1993), analysis that the Virginia Supreme Court has rejected,
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    rather than a Spencer v. Commonwealth, 
    240 Va. 78
     (1990), analysis. If the expertise is based on
    scientific knowledge, the court generally must make “a threshold finding of fact with respect to
    the reliability of the scientific method offered.” Spencer, 240 Va. at 97. The trial court
    specifically held this testimony was unreliable under either Daubert or Spencer. This holding
    included the trial court’s separate and independent decision that the testimony was unreliable
    under Spencer.
    Second, Smith argues that the interrogation expert was sufficiently experienced to be
    qualified as an expert. Expert testimony may be based on experience, such as experience with
    tracking dogs that shows the use of dogs in that capacity is reliable, but the court must still find
    the expertise reliable. Castillo v. Commonwealth, 
    70 Va. App. 394
    , 436-38 (2019) (first citing
    Pelletier, 
    42 Va. App. 406
    ; then citing Epperly v. Commonwealth, 
    224 Va. 214
    , 233 (1982)).
    The trial court noted that the expert had never interrogated anyone or been a witness to a
    verifiably false confession and the circumstances surrounding it. Simply watching many
    interrogations does not give a person experience in understanding whether those confessions are
    false in the same way that arresting drug users and distributors teaches a police officer what
    quantities are kept for personal use and what quantities are kept for distribution, or in the same
    way that working with tracking dogs for years makes a person aware of how accurate those dogs
    are at tracking. See Pelletier, 42 Va. App. at 417-21.
    Third, Smith argues that the trial court abused its discretion in deciding that the field of
    false confessions work was not reliable. We note that the field of knowledge underlying this
    evidence is not identical with the field of psychology, which underlies psychologists’
    understanding of what factors would render a particular person susceptible to make a false
    confession under the pressure of interrogation techniques. The science or field of false
    confessions work is narrow in scope and is still in the early stages of development. The peculiar
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    difficulties of verifying the truth or falsity of confessions have not yet been resolved in any way
    that allows observers in the field of false confessions to gather sufficient samples of empirical
    data from which to draw sufficiently reliable conclusions about how likely the Reid Technique
    is, in general, to produce a false confession in the context of an accusation of a serious crime
    such as murder or child abuse. See, e.g., Richard A. Leo & Richard J. Ofshe, The Consequences
    of False Confessions, 88 J. Crim. L. Criminology 429 (1998) (evaluating sixty confessions, some
    of which were considered proven false and some of which were considered probably false). An
    additional empirical problem arises from the need to compare false confessions to the total
    number of confessions, and to then compare true and false confessions secured by interrogation
    techniques to those secured by purely investigative techniques. In light of these uncertainties in
    a developing field of knowledge, we cannot say that no reasonable jurist could have reached the
    same conclusion as the trial court on this point.
    B. Outrageous Government Misconduct
    Smith also argues that the Commonwealth violated his Sixth Amendment right to counsel
    by recording privileged trial preparation meetings and transmitting the recordings to
    investigators and prosecutors. Smith contends that the trial court erred in refusing to dismiss the
    indictments with prejudice or to provide some other remedy above and beyond excluding the two
    video recordings of privileged trial strategy meetings. We disagree.
    “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right . . . to have the Assistance
    of Counsel for his defence.” U.S. Const. amend. VI. A defendant seeking to vindicate his or her
    Sixth Amendment right to counsel must prove (1) government interference with the right to
    counsel or (2) deficient and prejudicial performance by defense counsel. Strickland v.
    Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
     (1984); United States v. Gonzalez-Lopez, 
    548 U.S. 140
    , 148 (2006).
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    Here, there is no dispute that the right to counsel had attached. See Rothgery v. Gillespie County,
    Tex., 
    554 U.S. 191
    , 198 (2008).
    Since Weatherford v. Bursey, 
    429 U.S. 545
     (1977), the United States Supreme Court
    repeatedly declined to grant certiorari to address whether the Sixth Amendment protects a
    criminal defendant’s right to confidential attorney-client communications. E.g., Kaur v.
    Maryland, 
    141 S. Ct. 5
     (2020). Prior Supreme Court cases avoided the question but held that, at
    the very least, a showing of prejudice was required to obtain a judicial remedy. In Hoffa v.
    United States, 
    385 U.S. 293
    , 309 (1966), the Supreme Court assumed without deciding that a
    government informant’s presence at defense preparation meetings had violated the Sixth
    Amendment right to counsel but refused to dismiss the indictment and hinted that the remedy
    would likely be exclusion of evidence. In Weatherford, the Court addressed a similar situation
    and held: “There being no tainted evidence in this case, no communication of defense strategy to
    the prosecution, and no purposeful intrusion by [the informant], there was no violation of the
    Sixth Amendment . . . .” 
    429 U.S. at 558
    . The Court emphasized that “unless [the informant]
    communicated the substance of the [confidential attorney-client] conversations and thereby
    created at least a realistic possibility of injury to Bursey or benefit to the State, there can be no
    Sixth Amendment violation.” 
    Id.
    We once assumed without deciding that a violation of the attorney-client privilege also
    violated the right to counsel, but that the defendant in that case was not entitled to a judicial
    remedy because he was not prejudiced. See Gheorghiu v. Commonwealth, 
    54 Va. App. 645
    (2009), rev’d in part on other grounds, 
    280 Va. 678
     (2010). Since then, neither this Court nor
    the Virginia Supreme Court has addressed the issue. Gheorghiu therefore requires Smith to
    show that the recording and disclosure of his privileged trial strategy meetings harmed him
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    during the criminal proceedings.8 
    Id.
     Even if Gheorghiu could be read to say that Weatherford
    held—in the context of a Sixth Amendment challenge to governmental interference with
    confidential attorney-client communications—that prejudice is merely a predicate to obtaining a
    judicial remedy, see United States v. Morrison, 
    449 U.S. 361
     (1981), rather than a predicate to
    showing a violation of the right to counsel, see Gonzalez-Lopez, 
    548 U.S. at 146
    , the result in
    this case is the same.
    Here, the trial court found that although there was an existing recording of the two
    privileged video calls, only Smith’s attorney had ever watched them. Although police recruits
    listened to some of the phone calls, none of those calls contained privileged communications.
    No investigator or recruit watched or listened to the privileged video calls. Nor did any member
    of the prosecution team. Just as in Weatherford, prosecutors and investigators never learned or
    used any confidential information. Even if we were to hold that Smith’s Sixth Amendment right
    to counsel had been violated, we would still conclude that he is not entitled to any remedy
    because he failed to show that he was prejudiced.
    IV. CONCLUSION
    For the foregoing reasons, we reverse the convictions and remand for further proceedings
    consistent with this opinion.
    Reversed and remanded.
    8
    Gheorghiu also sidestepped the significance of the degree to which the governmental
    intrusion was intentional, an issue other courts have resolved with different approaches.
    Compare United States v. Levy, 
    577 F.2d 200
    , 208 (3d Cir. 1978), with United States v.
    Brugman, 
    655 F.2d 540
    , 546 (4th Cir. 1981), and United States v. Ginsberg, 
    758 F.2d 823
    , 833
    (2d Cir. 1985).
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