State v. Jones ( 2015 )


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    IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON
    STATE OF WASHINGTON,                                 NO. 85236-7
    Respondent,                    ENBANC
    v.
    Filed     JUN 1 1 2015
    LEROY A. JONES,
    Petitioner.
    GORDON MCCLOUD, J.-Leroy Jones was convicted of second
    degree assault for his role in a street fight involving five people. In a motion for
    a new trial made shortly after the verdict and before appeal, he asserted that his
    trial lawyer failed to interview and call certain eyewitnesses who were clearly
    identified in discovery that the State provided. Jones argued that these failures
    constituted ineffective assistance.
    To prevail on a claim of ineffective assistance of counsel, Jones must
    establish both deficient performance and prejudice. Strickland v. Washington,
    
    466 U.S. 668
    , 687, 
    104 S. Ct. 2052
    , 
    80 L. Ed. 2d 674
     (1984); State v.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-7
    Hendrickson, 
    129 Wn.2d 61
    , 77-78, 
    917 P.2d 563
     (1996). He has done so. It
    is clear that defense trial counsel's failure to interview three previously
    identified and easily accessible eyewitnesses before trial constituted deficient
    performance. This deficiency also caused prejudice: it deprived Jones of the
    opportunity to develop a theory of the case that Jones was the victim rather than
    the aggressor, and it deprived him of neutral bystander eyewitness testimony in
    support of that theory. When considering the case as a whole, defense counsel
    failed to provide the meaningful adversarial role that the Sixth Amendment to
    the United States Constitution guarantees. Following Strickland, we must
    reverse.
    Jones also argues that two prior Florida assault convictions should not
    have been used to increase his sentence because they are not "comparable" (per
    RCW 9.94A.525(3)) to second degree assault in Washington for "persistent
    offender" sentencing purposes. The difference is that Florida courts reject the
    defense of"diminished capacity" that Washington courts accept as a defense to
    this specific-intent crime. Because this issue might arise again if there is a
    retrial, we address it here also. Recently, in State v. Sublett, 
    176 Wn.2d 58
    , 88-
    89, 
    292 P.3d 715
     (2012) (plurality opinion), we held that a difference in the
    availability of this particular defense-diminished capacity-is not relevant to
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-7
    whether the out-of-state conviction is "comparable" to an otherwise nearly
    identical Washington crime. Thus, the trial court did not err in its sentencing
    calculations.
    FACTS AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY
    1.        Proceedings in the Trial Court
    Leroy Jones and Taurian Alford had a fight on a public street in
    downtown Seattle on September 10, 2007. Three of Alford's friends joined
    in the fray. There were several witnesses, including the other men in the fight.
    They generally identified Jones as the aggressor and testified that he held a
    knife. A jury convicted Jones of second degree assault.
    Right after the jury returned that verdict, however, appointed defense
    counsel withdrew due to concerns about his own ineffectiveness. He realized
    that he had failed to interview witness Lori Brown, who was clearly identified
    in police reports. Brown was not called to his attention until a detective
    testified at trial about his interview with Brown. 1 Shortly after withdrawal,
    new defense counsel discovered a second witness, Michael Hamilton, who
    was also clearly identified in pretrial discovery and whom defense trial
    1
    This detective's interview notes were never transmitted to the defense
    (or the prosecutor). Verbatim Report of Proceedings (VRP) (Apr. 9, 2008) at
    58-63.
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    counsel also failed to interview.        It appears that the new lawyer found
    Hamilton while simply reviewing discovery that was already in defense trial
    counsel's possession.
    The new defense lawyer therefore moved for a new trial on the ground of
    ineffective assistance of counsel. He argued, and presented written documents
    showing, what Hamilton would have said. Clerk's Papers (CP) at 92. He
    presented no evidence about why the original defense lawyer did not previously
    interview Brown or Hamilton. The trial court entered findings of fact based on
    the written materials, without an evidentiary hearing, and denied the motion.
    Jones had two prior Florida convictions for crimes that the trial court
    deemed comparable to second degree assault. The court therefore sentenced
    Jones to life without parole under the Persistent Offender Accountability Act
    (POAA), RCW 9.94A.570.
    2.     Trial Testimony
    Neither Jones nor Alford-the men who fought initially-testified at
    trial. According to the testimony of other witnesses, at some point one of the
    men chased the other and tackled him at a bus stop where several people were
    standing. Three of Alford's friends eventually joined the fight; all of them.
    were much younger than Jones. Jones held a knife sometime during the
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    fight-the exact time is in dispute. 2 The younger men held Jones down and
    punched him while restraining Jones's hand holding the knife. Several people
    called 911, and when police arrived the younger men were restraining Jones,
    who still held the knife. The King County prosecutor charged Jones with
    second degree assault with a deadly weapon.
    According to four bystanders who did not witness the fight, Alford
    approached them and said that he was being chased and. that someone was
    trying to stab him. Somewhat inconsistently, all four bystanders testified that
    Jones was the aggressor and had a knife either while he was chasing Alford
    or while he and Alford were on the ground.
    Alford's cousin testified, similar to some of the bystanders, that Jones
    was the aggressor and was attacking Alford when he and two other friends
    came upon Jones and Alford. He also stated that Alford's three friends kicked
    and punched Jones to protect Alford and to restrain Jones's hand holding the
    knife.
    2
    The defense theory was that Jones held the knife only after Alford's
    friends joined the fight. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 48, 72. The State's witnesses
    were inconsistent about when they saw the knife in Jones's hand. 
    Id.
     at 47-
    48,62.
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    On the other hand, defense witness Mark Forbes-another neutral
    bystander-testified that he stood about 15 feet away from Jones and Alford
    when one of them "swung [his sweater] at the other gentleman" before they
    started punching each other and wrestling on the ground. Verbatim Report of
    Proceedings (VRP) (Apr. 14, 2008) at 67. Forbes also testified that he saw
    three other men "running down and they started kicking the gentleman on the
    ground and punching him, and they were very violent about it, too." !d. at 69.
    Critically, Forbes further testified that Jones drew the knife to protect himself
    after the other three men joined the fight. !d. at 70.
    There was another witness listed in discovery: Lori Brown. CP at 215.
    Defense counsel did not notice that, though, until a detective mentioned her
    name during testimony in the middle of trial. Defense counsel moved for a
    mistrial on the ground that the prosecutor did not provide the detective's
    interview report; instead, the trial court gave him a three day recess.
    Brown then testified for the State. But, notably, she said that Alford
    chased Jones. VRP (Apr. 14, 2008) at 23. She also testified that she never
    saw a weapon, that she didn't hear a reference to a knife until Alford's three
    friends joined the fight, and that "I wasn't clear who had a knife." !d. at 18-
    20.
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    The jury convicted Jones of the assault charge.
    3.     Motion for a New Trial
    As discussed above, Jones's attorney withdrew after trial over concerns
    that he had been ineffective. CP at 87, 131. Jones's replacement counsel
    reviewed the discovery and found the 911 dispatch report that named not just
    Brown, whom trial counsel already realized he had overlooked, but also a
    second witness who Jones's original attorney failed to interview: Hamilton.
    New counsel then interviewed Hamilton. CP at 218-36. According to
    the transcript of the defense interview filed with the trial court in support of
    the motion for a new trial, Hamilton said that he was at the bus stop when the
    fight occurred and that he was standing very close to Alford and Jones. He
    was certain that the younger man (Alford) tackled the older man (Jones) and
    started beating him before the young man's friends joined in. Hamilton said,
    "I did not see the actual extraction of the knife. I did see it in his hand after
    he had been tackled and after [Alford] started hitting him."         CP at 223.
    Hamilton also stated, "[W]hat I saw was guy number two [Alford] tackled guy
    number one [Jones], then the knife coming out, subdued the knife [in the hand
    of guy number one] .... Guy number three came up, clocked him, a beating
    ensued, and I called 911 and went away on the bus." CP at 226. Hamilton
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    believed that the police were bound to get the wrong idea when they arrived
    and would think that the young men were restraining an armed attacker. CP
    at 225. Hamilton believed that the older man (Jones) was acting in self-
    defense. Hamilton also said that he was with another man who would have
    testified to the same thing, but because no one contacted him sooner, he could
    no longer remember the other man's name. According to police reports filed
    in support of the new trial motion, Hamilton's name and phone number were
    recorded on a 911 dispatch report provided to the prosecutor and to the
    defense through discovery, but neither party contacted Hamilton before the
    trial.
    Finally, Jones's new lawyer filed a declaration stating that the original
    defense lawyer failed to interview Brown and Hamilton. CP at 131-35.
    Jones argued that trial counsel's failure to interview Brown and Hamilton
    and his failure to call Hamilton to testify constituted ineffective assistance. The
    trial court concluded that the failure to interview Brown before trial was not
    prejudicial because Brown ultimately testified at trial. CP at 888. The trial
    court also concluded that the failure to interview Hamilton was not prejudicial
    because "Hamilton's proposed testimony is not exculpatory because it
    contradicts the defense position at trial. At trial defendant testified he drew
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    the knife in self-defense after he was assaulted by Alford and his two friends."
    CP at 889. The trial court clearly erred on this point: Jones did not testify at
    trial.
    4.    Court of Appeals Decision
    The Court of Appeals affirmed and used the same reasoning as the trial
    court. State v. Jones, noted at 
    157 Wn. App. 1052
    , 
    2010 WL 3490255
    . It did
    not address whether the failure to interview these identified witnesses
    constituted deficient performance. 
    2010 WL 3490255
    , at *3. Instead, the Court
    of Appeals found that the failure to contact Hamilton did not cause prejudice,
    noting that his testimony "would not likely have changed the outcome of the
    trial because it contradicted four other eyewitnesses." !d. at *3-4. Notably,
    neither the trial court nor the Court of Appeals made an adverse credibility
    finding about Hamilton.
    Contradictorily, the Court of Appeals ruled that the failure to contact
    Brown was not prejudicial-she actually testified and her testimony did not
    affect the outcome because it "was similar to that of the other eyewitnesses."
    !d. at *4. Thus, in the appellate court's view, new evidence will not affect the
    outcome if it is cumulative and will not affect the outcome if it is different.
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    5.     Remand for a RAP 9.11 Hearing
    Jones sought review in this court of the denial of his claim of ineffective
    assistance of counsel regarding the two witnesses, the affirmance of the trial
    court's ruling that his prior Florida felonies are comparable to Washington
    assaults, and the rejection of his claim that the prior convictions should have
    been proved to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt rather than to the judge. We
    granted review on the first two issues. State v. Jones, 
    177 Wn.2d 1007
    , 300 P .3d
    416 (2013).
    On April 10, 2014, we ordered a Rules of Appellate Procedure (RAP)
    9.11 hearing and directed the trial court "to take additional evidence and to
    make factual findings based on that evidence, to enable this court to determine
    whether defense counsel provided ineffective assistance .... including but not
    limited to:   (1) whether defense counsel's performance was deficient for
    failure to interview witnesses; (2) why defense counsel did not interview all
    the witnesses listed in the discovery; and (3) why defense counsel did not call
    one of the witnesses listed in the discovery, Michael Hamilton, to testify."
    At the remand hearing, Jones's original defense counsel testified about
    his failure to interview the two witnesses already discussed previously-
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    Brown and Hamilton-and his failure to call Hamilton as a witness.        VRP
    (Aug. 21, 2014) at 6-66.
    Defense counsel at the remand hearing then identified yet another
    witness listed in discovery whom trial counsel had failed to interview: Sulva
    Ooveda.     An incident report provided to Jones during discovery listed
    Ooveda's name. CP at 216. Notably, the prosecutor interviewed her at the
    beginning of trial and actually informed defense counsel that she might have
    favorable evidence. Remand CP at 33-34; VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 27-28.
    Despite this notification from the prosecutor, defense counsel still failed to
    contact Ooveda. During the remand hearing, Jones's original defense attorney
    noted that he asked his investigator to interview Ooveda before trial, but that
    she failed to do so and he did not follow up. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 26-28.
    Defense attorney expert Richard Hansen testified that trial counsel's
    performance was deficient and that it likely affected the outcome of the trial.
    Id. at 70-108.
    The trial court also admitted other evidence, without objection,
    confirming that trial counsel failed to interview Ooveda, Brown, and
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    Hamilton. 3 Def. 'sEx. 2, at 5-7; Defs Ex. 4, at 2; Remand CP at 34-37; VRP
    (Aug, 21, 2014) at 26-28, 33-36, 53, 111.
    With regard to witnesses Brown and Ooveda, the trial court found, "The
    communication from [Deputy Prosecuting Attorney] Richey to [defense
    counsel] piques curiosity and raises the inference that [Ooveda's] testimony
    may have been helpful, and that an interview, albeit at the start of trial[,]
    would occur." Remand CP at 34. And the trial court found that defense
    counsel "testified that he was at a disadvantage not having [Brown's] witness
    statement prior to trial," even though the incident report listed her name. ld.
    Defense counsel offered no reasons for failing to interview these witnesses.
    The trial court accordingly concluded that "[t]his failure to interview Brown
    and 0[ o]veda, witnesses listed on the incident report, clearly is not objectively
    reasonable" and that counsel's performance was therefore deficient. Id. at 35.
    The trial court concluded, however, that this did not cause prejudice, "given
    the testimony of the other State's witnesses who testified that the Defendant
    Jones first introduced the knife." Id.
    3
    The State attached to its prehearing memorandum a transcript of
    Hamilton's 911 call, in which Hamilton stated, "The lmife is in the hand of the
    man being held down." Remand CP at 14.
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    With regard to witness Hamilton, the trial court found that transcripts
    of Hamilton's posttrial defense interview and his 911 call were "unclear"
    about when Jones wielded the knife and that "[b]oth transcripts show
    Hamilton mixed up the parties, having the Defendant chased by the younger
    man, rather than as the majority of witnesses testified." !d. at 36. The trial
    court concluded that defense counsel's failure to call Hamilton to testify "is
    not objectively unreasonable. This decision appears strategic in nature and
    hence not deficient performance." !d. at 37. 4
    ANALYSIS
    INEFFECTIVE ASSISTANCE
    I.     Standard of Review
    A claim that counsel was ineffective is a mixed question oflaw and fact
    that we review de novo. Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 698
    ; In re Pers. Restraint of
    Brett, 
    142 Wn.2d 868
    , 873, 
    16 P.3d 601
     (2001).         "A defendant is denied
    effective assistance of counsel if the complained-of attorney conduct (1) falls
    4
    Additionally, on a separate issue, the trial court found that defense
    counsel, "in private discussions with his client he told Jones that a conviction
    on the pending charges would be [a] 'third strike,' but also later in open court
    he had agreed with the State that it would not be treated as such." Remand
    CP at 39. The court found nothing in the record showing that these different
    statements confused Jones about the fact that it was a three-strikes case. !d.
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    below a minimum objective standard of reasonable attorney conduct, and (2)
    there is a probability that the outcome would be different but for the attorney's
    conduct." State v. Benn, 
    120 Wn.2d 631
    ,663, 
    845 P.2d 289
     (1993) (emphasis
    omitted) (citing Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 687-88
    ). Thus, to prevail on a claim of
    ineffective assistance of trial counsel, an appellant must show both deficient
    performance and prejudice. Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 687
    ; Hendrickson, 
    129 Wn.2d at 77-78
    . To show prejudice, the appellant need not prove that the
    outcome would have been different but must show only a "reasonable
    probability"-by less than a more likely than not standard-that, but for
    counsel's unprofessional errors, the result of the proceedings would have been
    different. Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 694
    ; Hendrickson, 
    129 Wn.2d at 78
    .
    II.    Deficient Performance
    As discussed above, following the remand hearing, the trial court ruled
    that trial counsel's failure to interview the witnesses identified in the police
    reports "demonstrated a deficient performance using the Strickland standard."
    Remand CP at 39; see also id. at 34-35.
    The facts certainly supported the trial judge's conclusion on this point. A
    criminal defendant has a state and federal constitutional right to effective
    assistance of counsel. Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 686
    ; State v. Tinkham, 
    74 Wn. 14
    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-
    7 App. 102
    , 109,
    871 P.2d 1127
     (1994). To discharge this duty, trial counsel must
    investigate the case, and investigation includes witness interviews. State v.
    Ray, 
    116 Wn.2d 531
    ,548,
    806 P.2d 1220
     (1991) ("Failure to investigate or
    interview witnesses, or to properly inform the court of the substance of their
    testimony, is a recognized basis upon which a claim of ineffective assistance
    of counsel may rest." (citing State v. Visitacion, 
    55 Wn. App. 166
    , 173-74,
    
    776 P.2d 986
     (1989))).
    Thus, failure to interview a particular witness can certainly constitute
    deficient performance. 
    Id.
     ("Failure to investigate or interview witnesses ...
    is a recognized basis upon which a claim of ineffective assistance of counsel
    may rest."); Jones v. Wood, 
    114 F.3d 1002
     (9th Cir. 1997) (failure to
    investigate witnesses called to attention of trial counsel as important
    constitutes ineffectiveness). It depends on the reason for the trial lawyer's
    failure to interview.
    In this case, trial counsel offered absolutely no reason for failing to
    interview these three witnesses. Remand CP at 3 5. With regard to Hamilton
    in particular, the trial court ruled that the defense lawyer "does not recall" why
    he failed to interview Hamilton and "does not provide any reason either
    because it is clear from the incident report there was a 9-1-1 call from him."
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    !d. at 36. The trial court then concluded that the failure to interview all
    witnesses so identified was "deficient performance." !d. at 39.
    We agree. We can certainly defer to a trial lawyer's decision against
    calling witnesses if that lawyer investigated the case and made an informed
    and reasonable decision against conducting a particular interview or calling a
    particular witness. See, e.g., State v. Hess, 
    12 Wn. App. 787
    , 788-90, 
    532 P.2d 1173
     (1975) (decision not to subpoena potentially harmful witness was
    justified); State v. Floyd, 
    11 Wn. App. 1
    , 2, 
    521 P.2d 1187
     (1974) (decision
    not to call alibi witness legitimate part of trial strategy). But courts will not
    defer to trial counsel's uninformed or unreasonable failure to interview a
    witness. See Ray, 
    116 Wn.2d at 548
    . As the United States Supreme Court
    has explained, "[S]trategic choices made after less than complete
    investigation are reasonable precisely to the extent that reasonable
    professional judgments support the limitations on investigation." Strickland,
    
    466 U.S. at 690-91
    .
    On the other hand, we disagree with the trial court's conclusion on
    remand that the failure to call Hamilton to testify was "not objectively
    unreasonable." Remand CP at 37. Specifically, we disagree with the trial
    court's conclusion that the failure to call Hamilton to testify, after failing to
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    interview him, was "strategic in nature." ld. This is because defense trial
    counsel testified that when he prepared for trial and failed to interview Hamilton,
    he "did not have any idea what Mr. Hamilton would have said about this case."
    VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 41. That is not strategic decision-making.
    The trial court, however, relied on trial counsel's posttrial remand
    hearing testimony that when he eventually read the transcript of Hamilton's
    911 call, after trial, it made him think that Hamilton probably would not have
    offered any helpful testimony. But trial counsel made this conclusion after
    trial, in hindsight. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 42, 45, 48-49, 50-52. Strategic
    decisions are those made before, not after, taking the challenged action. Avila
    v. Galaza, 
    297 F.3d 911
    ,920 (9th Cir. 2002) ('"[C]ounsel can hardly be said
    to have made a strategic choice when s/he has not yet obtained the facts on
    which a decision could be made."' (alteration in original) (quoting Sanders v.
    Ratelle, 
    21 F.3d 1446
    , 1457 (9th Cir. 1994))); see Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at
    690-
    91 ("[S]trategic choices made after less than complete investigation are
    reasonable precisely to the extent that reasonable professional judgments
    support the limitations on investigation."). Trial counsel did not make an
    informed decision against interviewing Hamilton, and he therefore could not
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    have made a strategic-i.e., an informed-decision against calling Hamilton
    as a witness.
    III.     Prejudice
    We therefore come to the question of prejudice. We disagree with the
    trial court's conclusion on this point. In our view, there is certainly a reasonable
    probability that the failure to interview or call witnesses affected the trial's
    outcome.
    We start with defense counsel's failure to interview Hamilton. On the
    one hand, Hamilton would have testified that the young man-Alford-chased
    and tackled Jones, not the other way around.         This testimony would have
    corroborated Brown's testimony to the same effect. VRP (Apr. 14, 2008) at
    23. This is important. See Howardv. Clark, 
    608 F.3d 563
    , 573 (9th Cir. 2010)
    ("Although Hernandez positively identified Howard as the shooter, ifRagland
    had testified otherwise, thereby buttressing Fontaine's trial testimony, some
    jurors might well have had a reasonable doubt as to Howard's guilt."). And
    Hamilton would have provided the very defense-favorable testimony that Jones
    was the victim and that Hamilton called 911 to report what he saw because he
    knew that another bystander might think that because Jones had the knife, he
    was the aggressor. CP at 225, 233; Remand CP at 36. Further, although the
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    trial court thought that Hamilton was confused because his recollection differed
    from the testimony of other witnesses, there was no finding that Hamilton was
    lying or unbelievable. The difference is critical. State v. West, 
    139 Wn.2d 37
    ,
    43-44, 
    983 P.2d 617
     (1999); see Howard, 
    608 F.3d at 573
     ("Whatever the
    challenges to Ragland's credibility, his testimony might well have tipped the
    balance in Howard's favor. At the very minimum, if Ragland was ready and
    willing to testify as to Howard's innocence, and Howard was deprived of such
    testimony because of his attorney's shoddy investigation, our confidence in
    the jury's verdict would be significantly undermined."). In fact, unlike many
    of the State's witnesses, Hamilton was a neutral observer with no relationship
    to Jones or Alford.
    On the other hand, Hamilton's testimony contradicted Jones's chosen
    theory of self-defense by placing a knife in Jones's hand during his fight with
    the younger man, and before rather than after the others joined the fight, which
    was the defense theory of the case. CP at 225-26, 888-89; Remand CP at 36.
    But defense counsel adopted and used that theory without knowing that
    Hamilton's testimony existed. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 62. If he had known
    before trial about Brown's statement that she heard a reference to a knife and
    saw jabbing motions after Alford's friends joined the fight, and had had the
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-7
    chance to consider it along with Hamilton's testimony that the knife appeared
    before the friends joined the fight, trial counsel might not have been boxed into
    that theory. See Johnson v. Baldwin, 
    114 F.3d 835
    , 839-40 (9th Cir. 1997)
    (deficient performance caused prejudice when trial counsel failed to interview
    petitioner's girlfriend or grandmother because counsel would have learned
    that petitioner's alibi was false and pursued a different trial strategy); see also
    Rios v. Rocha, 
    299 F.3d 796
    , 808, 812 (9th Cir. 2002) (defense counsel's
    "failure, in a first-degree murder trial, to interview more than one witness,
    when there were dozens of potential eyewitnesses available, before deciding
    to abandon a potentially meritorious defense constituted constitutionally
    deficient    performance";      defense        counsel's   decision   to   present
    "unconsciousness" defense as opposed to a misidentification defense was
    prejudicial because counsel failed to interview and call five eyewitnesses to
    testify who would have each stated that Rios was not the shooter).
    One final consideration in the prejudice inquiry regarding Hamilton is
    whether calling him to testify might have resulted in any other adverse
    consequences to Jones. The State argues that if Hamilton had testified, then
    it could have introduced Jones's pretrial statement that it now calls
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    inculpatory. 5 But before trial, the defense characterized this statement as
    favorable to the defense and the State moved-successfully-to exclude it.
    Given the State's pretrial efforts to exclude this statement, we are skeptical
    about its new, postremand position that the statement was more helpful than
    hurtful to the State.
    Then there is witness Brown. Although the jury had an opportunity to
    consider Brown's testimony, Jones's trial counsel explained that if he had
    known about her testimony before trial, he would have made it the centerpiece
    of his case and the focal point of cross-examination of other witnesses. VRP
    (Apr. 10, 2008) at 15.
    Finally, we consider witness Ooveda. The prosecutor specifically told
    trial counsel on the first day of trial, after interviewing Ooveda, that she may
    have exculpatory information. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 27-28. Defense counsel
    still failed to find out what infonnation she might have provided.
    We cannot avoid the conclusion that there is a reasonable probability
    that the failure to interview and to call Hamilton affected the outcome of the
    5
    Jones's statement says, "They sold me some bull shit dope and I went
    fighting for my money. They jumped me when I was fighting with the young
    one. I bought $10.00 rock ofbullshit. I was trying to stab him because three
    of these guys jumped me. I was defending myself." State's Ex. 8.
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    trial. This case involves a credibility contest between the State's witnesses and
    Jones's witness. Although the State's witnesses would still have outnumbered
    Jones's witnesses, the jury would have had the opportunity to weigh the
    credibility of two witnesses-rather than just one-claiming that Alford chased
    after Jones against five witnesses who testified for the State that Jones was the
    aggressor. There is a reasonable probability that this affected the outcome. See
    Avila, 
    297 F.3d at 918-23
     (counsel's failure to interview eight additional
    eyewitnesses who would have testified in an attempted murder trial that the
    defendant was not the shooter was prejudicial even though counsel presented
    three eyewitnesses who corroborated the defendant's testimony that he was
    not the shooter). Further, Hamilton's testimony tends to bolster Forbes's
    credibility and, concomitantly, diminish the credibility of the State's
    witnesses who testified to the contrary. There is a reasonable probability that
    this would have affected the outcome. See Nealy v. Cabana, 764 F .2d 1173,
    1179 (5th Cir. 1985). And although Hamilton's account about the time that the
    knife appeared seems to conflict with Forbes's and Brown's accounts,
    Hamilton's testimony would have corroborated Forbes's testimony that Jones
    acted in self-defense. There is a reasonable probability that this would have
    affected the outcome. See Howard, 
    608 F.3d at 573
     (even though State's
    22
    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-7
    witness identified petitioner as the shooter, testimony from surviving victim that
    he could not identify petitioner as the shooter would have buttressed another
    witness's trial testimony, possibly creating reasonable doubt about
    petitioner's guilt). The failure to interview Brown and Ooveda compounds
    the prejudice.
    Thus, counsel's unexplained failure to interview clearly identified and
    accessible witnesses undermines our confidence in the jury verdict rejecting
    Jones's self-defense claim. We therefore reverse the appellate court's decision
    that Jones failed to prove ineffective assistance of counsel.
    IV.    The Availability of a Diminished Capacity Defense in
    Washington, but Not in Florida, Does Not Affect Our
    Comparability Analysis
    To determine whether a prior out-of-state conviction counts as a strike
    under Washington's POAA, the court must determine ifthere is a Washington
    offense to which the out-of-state conviction is "comparable."               RCW
    9.94A.525(3); State v. Ford, 
    137 Wn.2d 472
    , 479-80, 
    973 P.2d 452
     (1999).
    The State bears the burden of establishing the comparability of the out-of-state
    convictions. Ford, 
    137 Wn.2d at 479-80
    . The court compares the elements
    of the foreign crime with the elements of the purportedly comparable
    Washington crimes. !d.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-7
    If the elements differ, the sentencing court can, in some cases, look at
    portions of the record of the prior proceeding to see if the conduct of which
    the defendant was convicted was identical to what is required for a comparable
    Washington conviction; but the portion of the foreign record that the
    Washington court can consider is very limited. !d. The sentencing court can
    look at the charging instrument from the foreign proceeding, but it cannot
    consider "facts and allegations contained in [the] record of prior proceedings,
    if not directly related to the elements." 
    Id.
     at 480 (citing State v. Morley, 
    134 Wn.2d 588
    , 606, 
    952 P.2d 167
     (1998)). This limitation is compelled by not
    just statutory interpretation but also constitutional concerns. See Shepard v.
    United States, 
    544 U.S. 13
    , 26, 
    125 S. Ct. 1254
    , 
    161 L. Ed. 2d 205
     (2005). As
    this court explained in In re Personal Restraint of Lavery, 
    154 Wn.2d 249
    ,
    258, 
    111 P.3d 837
     (2005):
    Any attempt to examine the underlying facts of a foreign
    conviction, facts that were neither admitted or stipulated to, nor
    proved to the finder of fact beyond a reasonable doubt in the
    foreign conviction, proves problematic. Where the statutory
    elements of a foreign conviction are broader than those under a
    simqar Washington statute, the foreign conviction cannot truly
    be said to be comparable. [6]
    6
    In this case, the elements of the prior Florida assault convictions are
    practically identical to the elements of second degree assault in Washington.
    Under Fla. Stat. Ann. 784.021(1)(b), aggravated assault was defined as "an
    assault with intent to commit a felony."              Under Fla. Stat. Ann.
    24
    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-7
    The defenses, however, differ. Assault is a specific intent crime. Diminished
    capacity is a defense to a specific intent crime in Washington. Id. at 255-56.
    Diminished capacity is not a defense in Florida. See, e.g., Evans v. State, 
    946 So. 2d 1
    , 11 (Fla. 2006); Chestnut v. State, 
    538 So. 2d 820
    , 820 (Fla. 1989).
    In Sublett, however, this court held that the availability of the defense of
    diminished capacity in Washington, but not in the foreign jurisdiction, does not
    prevent two crimes from being "comparable." 
    176 Wn.2d at 88-89
     (plurality
    opinion). Sublett did not discuss the role of other defenses in making this
    determination-but as to the defense of diminished capacity, the one at issue
    here, it stands as controlling precedent.
    CONCLUSION
    Defense trial counsel's failure to investigate and to interview easily
    identified, available eyewitnesses, without a legitimate tactical reason,
    constitutes deficient performance and caused prejudice in this case. With regard
    to sentencing, Sublett controls. It held that if the elements of a Washington
    784.045(1)(a)(2), "a person commits aggravated battery who, in committing
    battery uses a deadly weapon." In Washington, under RCW 9A.36.021(1),
    "A person is guilty of assault in the second degree if he or she, under
    circumstances not amounting to assault in the first degree: . . . (c) Assaults
    another with a deadly weapon; or ... (e) With intent to commit a felony,
    assaults another."
    25
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    cnme and a foreign pnor conviction are the same, then the cnmes are
    comparable, even if the defense of diminished capacity is unavailable in the
    foreign jurisdiction. Jones's prior Florida assault convictions are comparable to
    second degree assault convictions in Washington. We therefore reverse Jones's
    conviction and remand for a new trial.
    26
    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), No. 85236-7
    WE CONCUR:
    27
    State v. Jones (Leroy A.)
    No. 85236-7
    STEPHENS, J. (concurring/dissenting)-The benchmark for judging an
    ineffective assistance of counsel claim is whether counsel's conduct so undermined
    the proper functioning of the adversarial process that the trial cannot be relied on as
    having produced a just result. Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
    , 686, 
    104 S. Ct. 2052
    , 
    80 L. Ed. 2d 674
     (1984). To prevail, the defendant must show that (1)
    counsel's representation was deficient and (2) the defendant was prejudiced by
    counsel's deficient performance. Statev. Humphries, 
    181 Wn.2d 708
    ,720,
    336 P.3d 1121
     (2014). Because Leroy Jones cannot show prejudice from his trial counsel's
    failure to call certain witnesses, I would affirm the lower court and uphold Jones's
    conviction. 1
    A reviewing court need not address whether counsel's performance was
    deficient if it can first say the defendant was not prejudiced. In re Pers. Restraint of
    1
    I have no quarrel with the majority's resolution of the comparability sentencing
    issue and join its opinion on that point.
    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    Rice, 
    118 Wn.2d 876
    , 889, 
    828 P.2d 1086
     (1992) (citing Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 697
    ). Thus, I will assume without deciding that Jones's counsel's choice not to call
    certain witnesses demonstrated defective performance and focus this discussion on
    why I believe the majority misapplies Strickland's prejudice standard.
    The majority reverses Jones's conviction based on its view of a reasonable
    probability that the defense strategy would have changed had counsel interviewed
    three witnesses before trial-Michael Hamilton, Lori Brown, and Sulva Ooveda. 2 I
    am concerned that the majority's test for determining prejudice expands the use of
    ineffective assistance claims to overturn convictions in Washington State. It is not
    enough to show that trial errors had some conceivable effect on the outcome of the
    proceeding, as not every error that could have influenced the outcome undermines
    the reliability of the result of the proceeding. Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 693
    . Nearly
    every deficient act or omission would meet this low standard. 
    Id.
     But, a material
    error that impairs the presentation of the defense does not justify a new trial unless
    it is sufficiently serious to call into question the validity of the proceeding. !d.
    To understand why counsel's failure to call additional witnesses does not
    justify a new trial here, it is important to review some key facts. Jones was convicted
    of second degree assault with a deadly weapon based on a fight he had with Taurian
    2
    It does not appear that Jones's argument of ineffective assistance of counsel is as
    broad as the majority's holding. Jones initially claimed error for trial counsel's failure to
    interview Brown and Hamilton. See Am. Pet. for Review at 1-11. In his supplemental
    brief following the reference hearing, he limits his claim to the failure to interview and call
    Hamilton. Second Suppl. Br. of Pet'r at 8-18. He has never asserted prejudice from the
    failure to interview Ooveda.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    Alford and three other men in downtown Seattle on September 10, 2007. State v.
    Jones, noted at 
    157 Wn. App. 1052
    , 
    2010 WL 3490255
    , at *1. When he was
    arrested, Jones waived his Miranda 3 rights and stated to police:
    They sold me some bullshit dope and I went fighting for my money. They jumped
    me when I was fighting with the young one. I bought $10.00 rock ofbullshit. I was
    trying to stab him because three of these guys jumped me. I was defending myself.
    State's Ex. 8.
    Based on the "I went fighting" statement and other conversations with Jones,
    defense counsel built his case on self-defense. Verbatim Report of Proceedings
    (VRP) (Aug. 21, 2014) at 56-57. Defense counsel stated that the critical issue for
    Jones's defense was when the knife was produced, id. at 57; he argued that Jones did
    not pull out the knife until Alford's friends joined in the fight and he had to defend
    himself against four men, VRP (Apr. 14, 2008) at 108. The State presented five
    witnesses who all testified that Jones was the aggressor but placed the knife in
    Jones's hand at different times-some while Jones was chasing Alford, some after
    they began fighting. Jones, 
    2010 WL 3490255
    , at* 1. Defense Counsel stated at the
    reference hearing that he interviewed "around eight eyewitnesses," but could find
    only one who placed the knife in Jones's hand after Alford's friends joined the
    fight-Mark Forbes. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 11. Forbes agreed that Jones was the
    initial aggressor but critically placed the knife in Jones's hand after Alford's three
    friends jumped in, "to protect himself." VRP (Apr. 14, 2008) at 69-70. By the
    3
    Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    , 
    86 S. Ct. 1602
    , 
    16 L. Ed. 2d 694
     (1966).
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    beginning of trial on April3, 2008, defense counsel had also been alerted to another
    witness whose contact information had been in the 911 record and whose testimony
    may have been exculpatory-Ooveda. VRP (Apr. 3, 2008) at 5. Defense counsel
    attempted to contact her pretrial many times, but she never responded. VRP (Apr.
    3, 2008) at 5; see also VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 26, 59. State witness Brown, who
    was not interviewed until midtrial and testified that she never saw the knife, stated
    she thought it was Alford who chased Jones.            VRP (Apr. 3, 2008) at 18-23.
    Recognizing he had failed to interview Brown before trial, defense counsel withdrew
    immediately after the guilty verdict due to concerns about the effectiveness of his
    representation.4
    New defense counsel moved for a new trial based on ineffective assistance of
    counsel for failure to contact Brown and another witness, Hamilton, whose name
    and phone number were in the discovery file based on Hamilton's 911 call. New
    defense counsel interviewed Hamilton, who stated that Jones had the knife in his
    hand before the three other men jumped into the fight. He further indicated he
    thought Jones was trying to defend himself after all the men began beating him.
    Also, contrary to some other witness testimony, Hamilton was emphatic that it was
    Alford who was the aggressor.
    4
    Brown's name was in the police reports, but the investigating detective disclosed
    at trial that his interview notes were never transmitted to the defense or the prosecutor.
    VRP (Apr. 9, 2008) at 58-63.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    The trial court denied the defense motion for a new trial, concluding, inter
    alia, that the failure to call Hamilton and Brown did not constitute ineffective
    assistance of counsel. Clerk's Papers (CP) at 890 (Conclusion of Law (A)(2)). The
    court held that Hamilton's testimony would not have been exculpatory, and Brown
    in fact testified at trial, so failing to call these witnesses was not prejudicial. 
    Id.
     On
    appeal, the Court of Appeals for Division One agreed that the failure to contact
    Hamilton and Brown did not constitute ineffective assistance of counsel. Jones,
    #
    
    2010 WL 3490255
    , at *3-4. The court found that Brown's testimony was "similar
    to that of the other eyewitnesses, and was not exculpatory." !d. at *4. Regarding
    Hamilton's interview, the court noted that his testimony "would not likely have
    changed the outcome of the trial because it contradicted four other eyewitnesses. "
    Id. at *3-4. Further, the court found that Hamilton's testimony-that he saw Jones
    display a knife when the fight started and before the other men joined the fight-
    was actually detrimental to the defense. !d. at *4.
    After granting review, this court ordered a RAP 9.11 evidentiary hearing on
    the ineffective assistance claim. See Remand CP at 33-40 (Findings of Fact). The
    trial judge conducted the hearing, at which the original defense counsel testified
    about Hamilton and Brown, as well as the witness defense counsel was unable to
    contact before trial-Ooveda. The court concluded that the failure to call Brown
    and Ooveda was deficient but did not prejudice Jones. !d. at 39. Specifically, the
    court found that whether there is a reasonable possibility the result of the trial would
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    have been different hinged on whether Ooveda's hypothetical testimony would have
    bolstered Forbes's testimony and created a reasonable doubt as to Jones's guilt. Id.
    at 35. The court was "not persuaded of this probability given the testimony of the
    other State's witnesses who testified that the Defendant Jones first introduced the
    knife." !d. (emphasis omitted). As to Hamilton, the court concluded that Hamilton
    was confused about when Jones wielded the knife and therefore would not have
    helped counsel's self-defense theory. The court also noted that "Hamilton mixed up
    the parties, having the Defendant chased by the younger man, rather than as the
    majority of witnesses testified." Id. at 36 (Finding of Fact (B)(2)). Thus, the failure
    to call him was not unreasonable. Id. at 37 (Finding of Fact (B)(4)).
    The majority concludes that defense counsel's failure to call all three
    witnesses resulted in representation that "failed to provide the meaningful
    adversarial role that the Constitution guarantees." Majority at 2. I disagree. The
    majority's analysis relies too much on conjecture. In State v. Crawford, this court
    held that in order for a "defendant to affirmatively prove prejudice," the defendant
    must demonstrate a reasonable probability that "but for" counsel's error the outcome
    at trial would be different. 
    159 Wn.2d 86
    , 102, 
    147 P.3d 1288
     (2006) (emphasis
    omitted). The majority today seems to advance the view of the dissent in Crawford
    that "[b]ut for his counsel's ineffective representation, a series of events did not
    occur, each of which might have changed the outcome." Id. at 107 (C. Johnson, J.,
    dissenting). But, the majority in Crawford took special care to refute this expansion
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    of the Strickland standard; "[t]he dissent concludes a series of events occurred that,
    but for the ineffective representation by Crawford's counsel, might have changed the
    outcome of Crawford's case. However, we reiterate that the test requires more than
    the existence of events that might have changed the outcome." Id. at 102 (some
    emphasis added) (citation omitted). Following the majority rule in Crawford, the
    question here is whether the events of this case show that but for trial counsel's
    failure to interview or call these witnesses, there is a reasonable probability not that
    the defense strategy would have changed, but that Jones would not have been
    convicted.
    The majority conflates the level of evidence needed to reach a "reasonable
    probability" that the outcome would change with how drastic the potential change
    to that outcome must be. While it is true that the Strickland prejudice standard is
    lower than a more-probable-than-not standard, 
    466 U.S. at 693
    ; majority at 14, the
    difference is "slight" and only matters in the "'rarest case."' Harrington v. Richter,
    
    562 U.S. 86
    , 112, 
    131 S. Ct. 770
    , 
    178 L. Ed. 2d 624
     (2011) (quoting Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 697
    ).    The likelihood of a different result must be substantial, not just
    conceivable. Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 693
    . Even if a defendant shows that particular
    errors of counsel were unreasonable, he must show those errors "actually had an
    adverse effect on the defense." !d. (emphasis added).          In other words, merely
    pointing to unreasonable errors that might have affected the defense is not enough;
    the defendant must affirmatively show that counsel's errors had an adverse effect on
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    the defense's case that would create a reasonable doubt as to the defendant's guilt.
    
    Id. at 695
    .
    In finding sufficient prejudice to reverse the appellate court's decision, the
    majority suggests five different ways in which trial counsel's failure to interview or
    call these witnesses was prejudicial. First, counsel would not have been "boxed
    into" his theory of self-defense had he interviewed Brown and Hamilton because
    together, their accounts may have changed his trial strategy to say that Jones was the
    initial aggressor. Majority at 19. Second, the jury would have been able to weigh
    two witnesses, rather than one, claiming Jones was the initial aggressor, against five
    for the State. Id. at 21. Third, Hamilton's "testimony tends to bolster Forbes's
    credibility and, concomitantly, diminish the credibility of the State's witnesses who
    testified to the contrary." Id. at 22. Fourth, despite Hamilton's account about the
    knife conflicting with both Forbes's and Brown's account, Hamilton's testimony
    still would have corroborated Forbes's view that Jones acted in self-defense. Id. at
    22. And fifth, Ooveda's unknown testimony may have been exculpatory. Id. at 22.
    This list of possibilities requires too much conjecture to make the needed
    showing of prejudice.      Certainly, aspects of Hamilton's testimony could have
    favored the defense. In his taped interview, Hamilton said it was Alford who chased
    and tackled Jones, rather than Jones chasing Alford. Def.'s Ex. 7, at 8. He even
    went so far as to say that he was worried the police would get the "wrong idea"
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    because "[i]t was going to look like two guys[SJ subdued a man with a knife. Those
    are not the circumstances. That is not what I witnessed. I witnessed more of a
    selfdefense." Id. But, the majority reads too much into Hamilton's account in
    concluding that if he had known about Hamilton's testimony, defense counsel might
    not have been "boxed into" his theory of self-defense. Majority at 19-20. It was not
    the lack of Hamilton's testimony that boxed defense counsel into a self-defense
    theory, it was his client's "I went fighting" statement, which directly contradicts
    Hamilton's account. State's Ex. 8.
    Indeed, defense counsel stated at the RAP 9.11 hearing that had he
    interviewed Hamilton or Brown before trial and received the same information, he
    would not have acted differently because he did not think Jones had much of a choice
    of defense. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 51, 57-58. 6 In explaining why, defense counsel
    noted that based on the defendant's own statements, the critical issue at trial was
    "[w]hen Mr. Jones had the knife." Id. at 57. Hamilton's testimony put the knife in
    Jones's hand when the fight started, not after the other men jumped in the fray.
    Def.'s Ex. 7, at 6. Defense counsel felt that because Hamilton clearly placed the
    knife in Jones's hand from the outset, his testimony would have been detrimental to
    5
    It is undisputed that three people actually joined in. Jones, 
    2010 WL 3490255
    ,
    at *1.
    6When defense counsel was made aware of Brown's statement to police, he
    believed the statement could be exculpatory. VRP (Apr. 10, 2008) at 6. He thought it
    could be important because it was "consistent with [his] basic theory of defense, which is
    that the knife allegedly wielded by Mr. Jones was not in evidence until he was under attack
    ... by ... all of the young men." !d. After he interviewed and cross-examined Brown
    during trial, he said her testimony would not have changed his trial strategy and that it was
    "[n]ot as significant as [he] would have liked." VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 59-60.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    the defense. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 51, 58. This strongly suggests that reasonable
    counsel may not have felt free, considering all the evidence, to explore the majority's
    suggested potential defenses based on these witness's testimony, when the State
    could respond with Jones's own statement, "I went fighting." State's Ex. 8.
    The majority is "skeptical" that had Hamilton's testimony been available, the
    State would have changed its trial strategy of moving successfully to exclude the "I
    went fighting" statement. 7 Majority at 20-21. The State however, still could have
    offered the statement at trial and likely would have if the defense had attempted to
    assert that Jones was not the aggressor but was instead running from Alford. ER
    80l(d)(2). Defense counsel admitted that he knew the statement would have been
    admissible before the trial began. VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 56.
    While the majority emphasizes the benefit to Jones of having two defense
    witnesses (Forbes and Hamilton), rather than one supporting a self-defense theory,
    this must be measured in light of the strength of the State's case. In re Pers. Restraint
    ofElmore, 
    162 Wn.2d 236
    , 253, 
    172 P.3d 335
     (2007) (quoting In re Pers. Restraint
    of Davis, 
    152 Wn.2d 647
    , 722, 
    101 P.3d 1
     (2004)).               The State presented five
    7
    Before trial, defense counsel characterized this statement as favorable to the
    defense. Majority at 20. The prosecutor objected to its introduction, apparently because it
    showed the victim was associated with drug dealing. However, at the pretrial hearing,
    State's counsel clarified that "what we're seeking to exclude is not necessarily [the fact
    that there was drug dealing], but eliciting that fact from witnesses who don't have personal
    knowledge of it but may have heard it from somebody else .... So if the defendant wants
    to state that, I'm not trying to exclude that. What I'm trying to exclude is an inquiry by the
    defense for the purpose of implying to the jury that this happened when there's not a good-
    faith basis to believe that a witness had any personal knowledge of that." Def.'s Ex. 2, at
    14-15.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    witnesses who stated that Jones was the aggressor. Hamilton believed it was Alford
    who pursued Jones. While the State's witnesses differed about the timing of the
    knife's appearance, all agreed that it was in Jones's hand before Alford's three
    friends arrived.    Hamilton concurred.       The State's case was strong without
    considering Hamilton's testimony. While it might have been weakened slightly by
    Hamilton's testimony that Jones acted in self-defense, this is not enough to
    demonstrate prejudice under the Strickland standard.
    The majority also opines that Hamilton's testimony might have bolstered
    defense witness Forbes's credibility and concomitantly called into question the
    credibility of the State's witnesses. Forbes testified that Jones seemed to be acting
    in self-defense and stated that Jones pulled out the knife after Alford's friends joined
    in the fight. While Hamilton's testimony would have bolstered Forbes's self-defense
    testimony, Hamilton clearly stated that Jones pulled out the knife before Alford's
    friends joined in. Def.'s Ex. 7, at 8. Thus, the benefit of having a second witness
    support a self-defense theory must be balanced against presenting contradictory
    evidence as to when Jones held the knife, which was the key question in this case
    based on Jones's own statement, "I went fighting for my money." State's Ex. 8.
    Even if Hamilton's statements would have bolstered Forbes's testimony, his
    testimony would not have provided any new information that the jury had not
    already considered. Generally, a claim of failure to interview a witness cannot
    establish ineffective assistance when the person's account is otherwise fairly known
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    to defense counsel. Bragg v. Galaza, 
    242 F.3d 1082
    , 1088 (9th Cir. 2001). Jones
    has not identified any information provided by Hamilton that had not already been
    obtained from other witnesses. Brown testified that it was Jones who was chased by
    Alford. VRP (Apr. 14, 2008) at 23. Several of the State's witnesses testified that
    Jones pulled the knife before Alford's friends arrived. Jones, 
    2010 WL 3490255
    , at
    *1. And Forbes testified that Jones acted in self-defense. VRP (Apr. 14, 2008) at
    69-70. Although Hamilton's account may have provided a different voice-perhaps
    a highly credible one-he would have spoken to facts that were already before the
    jury for its consideration.
    Finally, the majority believes that because "[t]he prosecutor specifically told
    trial counsel on the first day of trial, [SJ after interviewing Ooveda, that she may have
    exculpatory information" and defense counsel failed to interview Ooveda, this
    "compounds the prejudice .."         Majority at 21-22.      While it is true he had her
    information from the 911 call report and could have contacted her earlier, defense
    counsel did attempt to contact Ooveda several times before trial and never got a
    response. VRP (Apr. 3, 2008) at 5 (called her twice before trial with no response);
    VRP (Aug. 21, 2014) at 25-26 (had investigator try to find her); VRP (Aug. 21,
    2014) at 59 (many attempts by the investigator to find her with no success).
    However, even if defense counsel had been able to contact Ooveda, we can only
    speculate what her testimony would have offered. Even if we assume that she would
    8
    The record suggests it was actually about a week before trial. VRP (Apr. 3, 2008)
    at 5.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    have said exactly what Forbes said to add strength to the defense's argument that
    Jones had the knife only after Alford's friends joined the fight, the addition of her
    testimony does not create a substantial probability that the outcome of the trial would
    have been different, especially in light of the multiple witnesses testifying to the
    contrary.
    I would hold that Jones has not demonstrated sufficient prejudice under the
    standard established in Strickland and Crawford to justify a new trial based on
    ineffective assistance of counsel. Therefore, I respectfully dissent.
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    State v. Jones (Leroy A.), 85236-7 (Concurrence/Dissent by Stephens, J.)
    l4   .