State of Washington v. Abdul Rahman Sweidan ( 2020 )


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  •                                                                           FILED
    APRIL 21, 2020
    In the Office of the Clerk of Court
    WA State Court of Appeals Division III
    IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON
    DIVISION THREE
    STATE OF WASHINGTON,                         )         No. 36060-1-III
    )
    Respondent,             )
    )
    v.                                           )         PUBLISHED IN PART OPINION
    )
    ABDUL RAHMAN SWEIDAN,                        )
    )
    Appellant.              )
    FEARING, J. —
    Now when some days had passed, Agrippa the king and Bernice
    arrived at Caesarea to welcome Festus. And as they stayed there many
    days, Festus laid Paul’s case before the king, saying, “There is a man left
    prisoner by Felix; and when I was at Jerusalem, the chief priests and the
    elders of the Jews gave information about him, asking for sentence against
    him. I answered them that it was not the custom of the Romans to give up
    any one before the accused met the accusers face to face, and had
    opportunity to make his defense concerning the charge laid against him.
    ACTS 25:16 (Revised Standard Version) (emphasis added).
    This appeal raises important constitutional questions that Washington trial courts
    may increasingly face with the increased use of courtroom technology. Appellant Abdul
    Sweidan claims the trial court denied his right to face-to-face confrontation by allowing
    an Arabic interpreter, who overheard Sweidan mutter incriminating statements while
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    State v. Sweidan
    Sweidan received medical treatment at a hospital emergency room, to testify by video
    conference. The interpreter resided in Michigan, where she attended to her critically ill
    mother.
    In the published section of our opinion, we hold that the trial court failed to
    adequately conduct a hearing and explain its ruling when authorizing video conference
    testimony. From experience, we recognize the difficulty encountered by superior courts
    when confronting unique questions of law during the course of a trial with the lack of
    time and resources to study the questions. Because we find any constitutional error to be
    harmless, we would otherwise not discuss the underlying merits of Abdul Sweidan’s
    challenge to the video testimony, but we do so in this instance to provide guidance for
    trial courts asked to permit remote testimony in criminal prosecutions. In the unpublished
    portion of our opinion, we explain our ruling of harmless error.
    Abdul Sweidan also assigns error to his daughter’s testifying to his guilt, his
    exceptional sentence, the length of a no-contact order with his children, and the extent of
    his legal financial obligations. In the unpublished segment of our opinion, we affirm
    Sweidan’s conviction for attempted second degree murder and his exceptional sentence.
    We remand for further consideration of the no-contact order and for the striking of a
    criminal filing fee as a financial obligation.
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    FACTS
    The State of Washington prosecuted appellant Abdul Sweidan for repeatedly
    stabbing his wife, Dania Alhafeth, on August 30, 2017. We borrow the facts from trial
    testimony. We reserve most of the facts for the unpublished section of the opinion.
    Abdul Sweidan and Daniah Alhafeth resided in a Kennewick apartment with their
    four children. The couple often quarreled. Sweidan sometimes accused Alhafeth of other
    romantic interests. Some arguments ended with Sweidan striking or pushing Alhafeth.
    Occasionally, Alhafeth hit back. When Alhafeth suggested divorce, Sweidan responded
    that he would rather kill Alhafeth than divorce.
    On the night of August 29, 2017, Abdul Sweidan and Daniah Alhafeth bickered,
    after which Sweidan asked Alhafeth to reconcile. Alhafeth responded that reconciliation
    meant nothing, because the two would squabble again.
    On August 30, 2017, according to the State’s evidence, Abdul Sweidan returned
    home early from work and brutally stabbed Daniah Alhafeth numerous times with a
    kitchen knife. During the attack, Sweidan also cut his hand. As she lay bleeding on the
    living room floor, Alhafeth called a neighbor, who called 911. An ambulance ferried
    Alhafeth to Kennewick’s Trios Hospital.
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    Abdul Sweidan drove himself to Trios Hospital for treatment to his hand and
    arrived at 1:37 p.m. Abdul Sweidan spoke primarily Arabic. During the course of his
    treatment, Trios Hospital called an Arabic interpreter, who assisted Sweidan in
    communicating with staff.
    Maisa Haddad serves as a certified medical interpreter who works from her home
    in Michigan, where she also cares for her mother. Haddad provided the Arabic-to-
    English interpretation, through an iPad, for Abdul Sweidan at Kennewick’s Trios
    Hospital. Haddad saw Sweidan and the attending physician on her screen while
    interpreting. Haddad observed Sweidan’s cut fingers and heard him tell the treating
    physician the injuries occurred while cutting meat. According to Haddad, when medical
    staff left the room, she sat silently while Sweidan remained on her screen for fifteen
    minutes. Under company practices, Haddad could not ask the patient any questions.
    During Haddad’s silence, Sweidan volunteered that his wife had pestered him. Sweidan
    cursed his wife and uttered: “may God not bless her.” Report of Proceedings (RP) (April
    5, 2018) at 767. Haddad did not respond to the comments.
    PROCEDURE
    The State of Washington charged Abdul Sweidan with attempted second degree
    murder and first degree assault. We outline now only the procedural background relevant
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    to the video conference testimony. Before trial, the State presented a motion that asked
    permission for Arabic interpreter Maisa Haddad to testify at trial by two-way video
    conference. In support of the motion, the State submitted a letter from Haddad sent to the
    prosecuting attorney:
    I am writing with regard to the request for me to appear in-person for
    a testimony on the State [v]. Abdul Sweidan - Trios Hospital Medical
    Treatment Interpretation case. I need to highlight that I would be
    unavailable to appear in-person before the court due to inability to travel for
    the following reason:
    I live in Michigan and I am the sole in home care-giver for my senior
    seriously ill mother who is suffering from serious medical conditions that
    require continuous medical care and I have to be available by her side at all
    times attending to her medical and other needs. My mother suffers from
    esophageal cancer and serious heart disease and has recently undergone
    an open heart surgery. This makes it impossible for me to travel and leave
    my mother, to whom I am the sole care provider and support.
    I have attached herein a letter from her doctor testifying to her
    medical condition.
    Clerk’s Papers (CP) at 166 (emphasis in original). The physician, Fawaz M. Hasso,
    M.D., wrote:
    RE: Heida Yousef Haddad
    To Whom it May Concern:
    This is to certify that Heida Yousef Haddad[,] the mother of Maisa
    Haddad[,] is suffering from Esophageal cancer and heart disease and needs
    continuous medical care for which Maisa[,] her daughter[,] need[s] to be with
    her[,] and she [Maisa] is unable to travel.
    Please feel free to contact my office if you have any questions or
    concerns. Thank you for your assistance in this matter.
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    CP at 167. Neither Haddad nor Fawaz wrote their respective statements under oath or
    under penalty of perjury.
    During oral argument in support of the motion for video testimony, the State noted
    that Maisa Haddad was only one of the State’s twenty-five witnesses. The State
    characterized Haddad as having no attachment to the case. Thus, according to the State,
    her demeanor lacked importance.
    Abdul Sweidan objected to the motion for remote testimony. He argued that the
    State failed to show Maisa Haddad’s unavailability. Haddad had no physical impediment
    to traveling from Michigan to Washington State. Sweidan emphasized that the State
    presented no evidence that Haddad’s mother faced imminent death. Other caregivers
    could provide for the mother. Haddad would not be absent from her mother for more
    than a few days. Thus, Sweidan contended that any video testimony would violate his
    right to confront witnesses under the state and federal constitutions.
    The trial court granted the State’s motion for testimony by video conference. The
    court commented that, based on a review of the testimony anticipated from Maisa Haddad
    and after balancing the concerns of the confrontation clause and the right of the parties to
    cross-examine the witness in court, Skype was an effective way for the witness to testify.
    The trial court did not enter any findings related to the granting of remote testimony.
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    At trial, Maisa Haddad testified via Skype with both video and audio. The
    prosecution examined Haddad, and defense counsel cross-examined her. The trial record
    does not describe the setup used for the video conference testimony, including what
    screens the State employed and whether the jury and Abdul Sweidan could see the
    demeanor of the witness.
    In its closing, the State mentioned interpreter Maisa Haddad’s testimony:
    And while she’s sitting there with him, he starts cursing his wife.
    What do we mean by cursing? May God not bless her.
    So think about this. This is a woman who is a thousand miles away
    from Dania, no connection to her other than they both speak Arabic, and she
    hears him say something just like what Dania heard him say. To Dania he
    said, “May God not bring you back.”
    RP (April 13, 2018) at 1344-45.
    The jury convicted Abdul Sweidan of attempted second degree murder and first
    degree assault.
    LAW AND ANALYSIS
    Video Conference Testimony
    Issue 1: Should we apply a de novo standard of review or an abuse of discretion
    standard of review when assessing whether the trial court erred when permitting Maisa
    Haddad to testify by video conference?
    Answer 1: We decline to address this question.
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    Abdul Sweidan assigns error to the trial court’s permission for Maisa Haddad
    testifying by remote video. He argues that the ruling violated his constitutional right to
    confront face-to-face a witness presenting evidence against him.
    The parties raise a threshold question of what standard of review to apply. Abdul
    Sweidan asks that we apply a de novo review standard. The State seeks an abuse of
    discretion standard at least as to the trial court’s finding of necessity for video conference
    testimony. We decline to address this question in part because the trial court never
    entered a finding of necessity. Also, our decision would remain the same no matter the
    standard of review we employed.
    Issue 2: Did the State identify an important state interest when requesting video
    conference testimony?
    Answer 2: Yes.
    The Superior Court Criminal Rules do not address the use of remote testimony.
    Washington courts acknowledge that, when the criminal rules fall silent, the Superior
    Court Civil Rules provide guidance in determining how to proceed. State v. Cayetano-
    Jaimes, 
    190 Wn. App. 286
    , 297, 
    359 P.3d 919
     (2015). CR 43(a)(1) directs:
    (1) Generally. In all trials the testimony of witnesses shall be taken
    orally in open court, unless otherwise directed by the court or provided by
    rule or statute. For good cause in compelling circumstances and with
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    appropriate safeguards, the court may permit testimony in open court by
    contemporaneous transmission from a different location.
    (Some emphasis added). Abdul Sweidan does not argue that the State did not fulfill the
    demands of CR 43(a)(1). He relies exclusively on the constitutional right to the
    confrontation of witnesses, although we note that the strictures of CR 43(a)(1) echo the
    demands discussed below emanating from the confrontation clause. We also focus on the
    constitutional right to face one’s accusers, such that our ruling holds no precedence for
    civil trials.
    Both the federal and state constitutions afford an accused the right to face
    witnesses presenting evidence against him or her. The United States Constitution
    declares:
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to . . .
    be confronted with the witnesses against him.
    U.S. CONST. amend. VI (emphasis added). The United States Supreme Court
    incorporated Sixth Amendment protections to apply to state prosecutions under the due
    process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Illinois v. Allen, 
    397 U.S. 337
    , 338, 
    90 S. Ct. 1057
    , 
    25 L. Ed. 2d 353
     (1970). Under the state constitution,
    In criminal prosecutions the accused shall have the right to . . . meet
    the witnesses against him face to face.
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    WASH. CONST. art. I, § 22 (amendment 10) (emphasis added). RCW 10.52.060 confirms
    the right of every person accused of a crime “to meet the witnesses produced against him
    or her face to face.”
    According to the United States Supreme Court, the confrontation clause ensures
    the reliability of evidence against a criminal defendant by subjecting the evidence to
    rigorous testing in the context of an adversary proceeding before the trier of fact.
    Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
    , 845-46, 
    110 S. Ct. 3157
    , 
    111 L. Ed. 2d 666
     (1990).
    The word “confront,” after all, means a clashing of forces or ideas, thus manifesting the
    notion of adversariness. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 845
    . The confrontation clause
    also serves the symbolic goals of fairness and reliability in a prosecution. Lee v. Illinois,
    
    476 U.S. 530
    , 540, 
    106 S. Ct. 2056
    , 
    90 L. Ed. 2d 514
     (1986).
    The accused deserves the opportunity, not only of testing the recollection and
    sifting the conscience of the witness, but of compelling him or her to stand face to face
    with jurors so that jurors may look at the witness and judge by the witness’s demeanor on
    the stand and manner of testimony whether the witness deserves belief. Mattox v. United
    States, 
    156 U.S. 237
    , 242-243, 
    15 S. Ct. 337
    , 
    39 L. Ed. 409
     (1895). According to judicial
    psychology, the risk of a witness wrongfully implicating an innocent defendant wanes
    when testifying in the accused’s presence. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 845-46
     (1990).
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    A person encounters more difficulty when telling a lie about another to his or her face
    than behind his back. Coy v. Iowa, 
    487 U.S. 1012
    , 1019-20, 
    108 S. Ct. 2798
    , 
    101 L. Ed. 2d 857
     (1988). In light of these considerations, the confrontation clause demands a
    witness be under oath, cross-examined, and subjected to observation of demeanor by the
    trier of fact. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 851
     (1990).
    According to the United States Supreme Court, face-to-face confrontation forms
    the core value furthered by the constitutional confrontation right. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 847
     (1990). Thus, the confrontation clause prefers a face-to-face confrontation
    during trial. Ohio v. Roberts, 
    448 U.S. 56
    , 63, 
    100 S. Ct. 2531
    , 
    65 L. Ed. 2d 597
     (1980),
    abrogated by Crawford v. Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 
    124 S. Ct. 1354
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d 177
    (2004). Nevertheless, the right to face-to-face confrontation between the accused and
    witnesses is not an indispensable element of the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of the
    right to confront one’s accusers. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 849-50
    . A literal
    reading of the confrontation clause would abrogate hearsay exceptions, a result deemed
    extreme. Ohio v. Roberts, 
    448 U.S. at 63
     (1980). Considerations of public policy and
    necessities of the case, in narrow circumstances, may preempt the right of a physical face-
    to-face encounter. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 849
    .
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    Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
     (1990) is the leading decision on the clash
    between video conference testimony and the confrontation clause. The United States
    Supreme Court addressed whether an exception existed to the confrontation right and held
    that it did. The Court determined whether a Maryland statute that permitted a child victim
    of abuse to testify by a one-way closed circuit television, in order to avoid seeing his or
    her abuser, violated the confrontation clause. The statute allowed a court to arrange for
    the accused to remain in the courtroom, while defense counsel and the prosecution
    conducted questioning in a separate room. The defendant and jury could see the
    testifying child witness on a monitor in the courtroom, but the child could not see the
    accused. The United States Supreme Court, in Maryland v. Craig, upheld Maryland’s
    statutory procedure and noted that the trial court left intact all other elements of the
    confrontation right that safeguarded reliability of the testimony, including the oath, cross-
    examination, and the ability for all persons in the courtroom to see the demeanor of the
    witness.
    In Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
     (1990), the United States Supreme Court
    announced a two-prong test which, when met, satisfies an accused’s constitutional
    confrontation right without a physical face-to-face confrontation. The trial court must
    render a case-specific finding that (1) excusing the presence of the witness necessarily
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    furthers an important public policy, and (2) the procedure otherwise assures the reliability
    of the testimony. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 850
    . Since Craig, all federal and state
    courts have applied this dual test.
    Despite permitting closed circuit television or video conference testimony, in
    Maryland v. Craig, the United States Supreme Court warned about routinely permitting
    these substitutes for face-to-face confrontation. A trial court may not easily dispense with
    the right to face-to-face confrontation. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 850
     (1990).
    Before dispensing with the accused’s right, the court must engage in a case specific,
    individualized determination of the necessity for testimony by other means. Maryland v.
    Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 855-56
    . In the case of a child witness, the trial court must hear
    evidence and determine whether use of the procedure is necessary to protect the welfare
    of the particular child witness who seeks to testify. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at
    855-
    56. The court must enter a case specific finding.
    Technology continually updates and improves remote communication, including
    video conferencing. Nevertheless, technological changes in the courtroom cannot come
    at the expense of the basic individual rights and freedoms secured by our constitutions.
    Harrell v. State, 709 So. 2d at 1372 (Fla. 1998). Confrontation through a video monitor
    is not the same as physical face-to-face confrontation, and the two are not constitutionally
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    equivalent. United States v. Yates, 
    438 F.3d 1307
    , 1315 (11th Cir. 2006). The electronic
    medium compromises the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of the right to confront one’s
    accuser. Commonwealth v. Atkinson, 
    2009 PA Super 239
    , 
    987 A.2d 743
    , 751. Remote
    testimony may reduce or eliminate intangible elements of the ordeal of testifying in a
    courtroom. United States v. Yates, 
    438 F.3d at 1313
    .
    Unlike the United States Constitution, article I, section 22 (amendment 10) of the
    Washington Constitution employs the phrase “meet the witnesses against him face to
    face.” Some state courts, whose constitutions also contain or contained the wording “face
    to face,” have held the use of video conferencing as a means to present testimony is
    always unconstitutional. Commonwealth v. Ludwig, 
    527 Pa. 472
    , 
    594 A.2d 281
    , 283-85
    (1991); Brady v. State, 
    575 N.E.2d 981
    , 986-89 (Ind. 1991); Commonwealth v.
    Bergstrom, 
    402 Mass. 534
    , 
    524 N.E.2d 366
    , 374 (1988). Pennsylvania has since
    amended its constitution to omit the phrase “face to face.” Other states have disagreed
    that remote testimony is always violative of the confrontation clause no matter the
    wording of the state constitution. State v. Self, 
    56 Ohio St. 3d 73
    , 
    564 N.E.2d 446
    , 450-
    53 (1990); Commonwealth v. Willis, 
    716 S.W.2d 224
    , 227 (Ky. 1986); State v. Burns,
    
    112 Wis.2d 131
    , 
    332 N.W.2d 757
    , 764 (1983).
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    In State v. Foster, 
    135 Wn.2d 441
    , 466, 
    957 P.2d 712
     (1998) (plurality opinion),
    four of the Washington Supreme Court justices, including the author of the lead opinion,
    held that the language “face to face” did not afford the accused any additional protections
    against remote testimony. The four justices emphasized an 1889 dictionary entry that
    defined “confront” to mean “to bring face to face.” Thus, the United States
    Constitution’s Sixth Amendment, with the phrase “confronted by witnesses,” bears the
    same meaning as if the language read “face to face.” A fifth justice, who joined the
    majority in holding RCW 9A.44.150 constitutional, disagreed that the State Constitution
    never afforded additional protections to the accused. RCW 9A.44.150 is Washington’s
    version of the statute that allows a child witness, under limited circumstances, to testify
    by one-way video conference rather than in the physical presence of the accused.
    In State v. Foster, the Washington Supreme Court adopted the Craig test for
    purposes of Washington Constitution’s confrontation clause, thereby allowing remote
    testimony in limited circumstances. The state high court echoed the United States high
    court’s perspective when declaring that, though fundamental and important, the defendant
    lacks an absolute right to confront a witness under the state constitution. State v. Foster,
    
    135 Wn.2d at 473
    .
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    The Washington Supreme Court, in State v. Foster, and the United States Supreme
    Court, in Maryland v. Craig, issued rulings in the context of one-way closed circuit
    television, when the victim witness could not see the accused. Neither the United States
    Supreme Court nor the Washington Supreme Court has addressed two-way conferencing.
    Because two-way video conference testimony allows the jury and the accused to see the
    witness and the witness to see the jury and the accused, some States have argued that two-
    way conferencing does not implicate the confrontation clause. Nevertheless, a consensus
    of state and federal courts has applied the Craig test to two-way conferencing testimony.
    United States v. Carter, 
    907 F.3d 1199
    , 1208 (9th Cir. 2018); State v. Rogerson, 
    855 N.W.2d 495
    , 501-03 (Iowa 2014); State v. Smith, 2013 NMCA 081, 
    308 P.3d 135
    , 137;
    Harrell v. State, 
    709 So. 2d 1364
    , 1368-69 (Fla. 1998). Although two-way video
    testimony more closely resembles face-to-face confrontation than one-way video, two-
    way video is still not the equivalent of physical face-to-face confrontation. State v.
    Rogerson, 855 N.W.2d at 502-04; Harrell v. State, 
    709 So. 2d at 1368-69
    . Despite
    questioning of the truth of the assumption, courts postulate that the screen and the
    physical distance between the witness and the accused reduces the truth-inducing effect of
    confrontation. State v. Rogerson, 855 N.W.2d at 504. Virtual presence created by a
    television screen falls short of physical presence. United States v. Bordeaux, 
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    548, 554 (8th Cir. 2005); State v. Smith, 308 P.3d at 137. From the remote witness’s
    point of view, the angle and quality of the courtroom camera and the size and quality of
    the witness’s viewing screen will necessarily define the courtroom. United States v.
    Carter, 907 F.3d at 1207. In Abdul Sweidan’s appeal, the State does not contend Maisa
    Haddad’s video testimony automatically passed constitutional muster because of two-way
    conferencing.
    Abdul Sweidan argues that the State of Washington failed to satisfy either
    requirement of the Craig test. The first prong of the Craig test requires the State to show
    denial of Abdul Sweidan’s confrontation rights was necessary to further an important
    public policy interest. Sweidan argues that the State demonstrated no public policy
    sufficient to permit the dispensing of Sweidan’s right to face-to-face physical
    confrontation. The State responds that a large number of jurisdictions have held that the
    need to care for a chronic illness serves an important public policy.
    Abdul Sweidan emphasizes that Maryland v. Craig and State v. Foster addressed
    state statutes designed to protect child abuse victims, and Sweidan impliedly argues that
    only a statutory policy suffices to satisfy the first prong of Craig. The State relies on no
    statute in this appeal. Nevertheless, no decision holds that only public policy found in a
    statute can outweigh the right to face-to-face confrontation. Also, the issue of permitting
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    testimony by video most frequently arises with regard to child witnesses because of a fear
    possessed by a child victim of seeing his or her abuser. Nevertheless, no decision holds
    that only child abuse victims may benefit from being absent from the courtroom.
    Courts define narrowly an “important public policy” for purposes of an exception
    to the confrontation clause. State v. Smith, 308 P.3d at 138 (2013); Commonwealth v.
    Atkinson, 987 A.2d at 748 (Pa. Super. Ct. 2009). The State’s interest in protecting child
    witnesses from the trauma of testifying in a child abuse case justifies the use of a special
    procedure that permits a child witness to testify in the absence of face-to-face
    confrontation. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
     (1990). Outside the context of child
    witness cases, courts have permitted the use of video conference testimony in two other
    circumstances: when a witness is too ill to travel and when a witness resides outside the
    United States. Horn v. Quarterman, 
    508 F.3d 306
    , 320 (5th Cir. 2007); People v.
    Wrotten, 
    14 N.Y.3d 33
    , 
    923 N.E.2d 1099
    , 1103 (2009); Commonwealth v. Atkinson, 987
    A.2d at 748. The State has a legitimate interest in protecting the witness from physical
    danger and suffering. Horn v. Quarterman, 
    508 F.3d at 320
    . When the witness is
    essential to the case and the witness is located in another country outside the subpoena
    authority of the State, the State’s interest in a just and expeditious resolution of the
    prosecution trumps face-to-face confrontation. United States v. Abu Ali, 
    528 F.3d 210
    ,
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    239-41 (4th Cir. 2008); Harrell v. Butterworth, 
    251 F.3d 926
    , 931 (11th Cir. 2001). The
    trial court may also permit an overseas active-duty soldier to testify by video conference.
    Rivera v. State, 
    381 S.W.3d 710
    , 711 (Tex. Ct. App. 2012).
    Courts have deemed other policies or goals insufficient to allow remote video
    testimony. The State’s need for video conference testimony to prove or efficiently
    present its case is not a sufficient public policy to outweigh the accused’s right to
    confront an accuser face-to-face. United States v. Yates, 
    438 F.3d at 1316
     (11th Cir.
    2006); United States v. Carter, 907 F.3d at 1208 (9th Cir. 2018); State v. Rogerson, 
    855 N.W.2d 495
    , 502 (Iowa 2014). Convenience and cost saving do not suffice. State v.
    Rogerson, 855 N.W.2d at 507; State v. Smith, 308 P.3d at 138; Commonwealth v.
    Atkinson, 987 A.2d at 751. Convenience for the witness’s employer also does not
    preempt face-to-face confrontation. State v. Smith, 308 P.3d at 138. Nor do security
    concerns eclipse the right to face-to-face confrontation. Commonwealth v. Atkinson, 987
    A.2d at 750. The fact that the witness is helpful to the prosecution does not add another
    category for permitting video conference testimony. Melendez-Diaz v. Massachusetts,
    
    557 U.S. 305
    , 313-14, 
    129 S. Ct. 2527
    , 
    174 L. Ed. 2d 314
     (2009). Unwillingness to travel
    is not a sufficient reason to dispense with the physical presence requirement, and a court
    should consider reasonable alternatives permitting face-to-face testimony. United States
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    v. Carter, 907 F.3d at 1208 (9th Cir. 2018); United States v. Yates, 
    438 F.3d 1307
    , 1317-
    18 (11th Cir. 2006). We recognize transportation of Maisa Haddad to Washington and
    back would expend fuel, but no court has validated video conference testimony by the
    reduction of the witness’s carbon wheelprint.
    The State of Washington’s witness, Maisa Haddad, resided in Michigan. That
    distance alone does not create a necessity for video testimony. Haddad remained within
    the subpoena power of Washington State. Washington has adopted the Uniform Act to
    Secure the Attendance of Witnesses from Without a State in Criminal Proceedings, under
    which the Washington court could direct a Michigan court to command the presence of
    Haddad to testify in Washington State. RCW 10.55.060. The State of Michigan
    reciprocates. MICH. COMP. LAWS ANN. § 767.92.
    The State may impliedly suggest that the importance of Maisa Haddad as a witness
    may support a finding of an important public policy. Based on precedent holding that the
    convenience of important witnesses does not qualify as a sufficient public policy, we rule
    that the importance to the State of Maisa Haddad’s testimony failed to support a finding
    of an important public policy.
    The State mentions that, in State v. Cayetano-Jaimes, 
    190 Wn. App. 286
     (2015),
    this court held that the trial court committed error when refusing to permit telephonic
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    testimony by an adult witness unavailable to testify in the courtroom due to deportation to
    Mexico. Nevertheless, the defendant sought to introduce the testimony of the critical
    witness, who could not return to the United States. The State successfully argued before
    the trial court for the preclusion of the testimony. The high court based its ruling on an
    accused’s Sixth Amendment right to present a complete defense, not on the confrontation
    clause. The opponent of the remote testimony, the State, probably lacked any
    constitutional right to confront the accused’s witnesses.
    Many decisions support the proposition that an illness of the witness suffices to
    permit a witness to testify by video. In Horn v. Quarterman, 
    508 F.3d at 313
     (5th Cir.
    2007), a Texas jury convicted Patrick Horn with capital murder and sentenced him to
    death. Horn filed a petition for habeas relief claiming in part that the trial court denied
    him the opportunity to confront a witness when the witness testified via two-way closed-
    circuit television. The appeals court denied relief because the state court correctly
    permitted a terminally ill witness, whose doctor advised against travel, to testify remotely.
    In Harrell v. Butterworth, 
    251 F.3d at 931
     (11th Cir. 2001), David Harrell argued
    the trial court violated his right to confrontation when the court permitted two witnesses
    to testify via satellite from Argentina. On habeas review, the court reviewed the trial
    court’s decision to excuse in-person confrontation of two witnesses essential to the
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    No. 36060-1-III
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    State’s case. The trial court had found the witnesses lived beyond the subpoena power of
    the court, there was no way to compel them to appear, and one of the witnesses was ill
    and could not travel.
    In State v. Sewell, 
    595 N.W.2d 207
     (Minn. Ct. App. 1999), Jeffrey Sewell
    challenged his conviction for second degree felony murder, while arguing that the trial
    court improperly permitted the testimony of witness William Hurt through interactive
    television. The State alleged that Sewell admitted to the murder when speaking with
    fellow inmate Hurt. At the time of trial, Hurt suffered from medical problems, and he
    was under a medical restriction not to travel. The reviewing court upheld the use of the
    video testimony.
    In Stevens v. State, 
    234 S.W.3d 748
     (Tex. App. Fort Worth 2007), the state Court
    of Appeals held that video testimony of a 75-year-old witness suffering from medical
    problems did not violate the confrontation clause. The witness’s cardiologist wrote a
    letter to the court explaining the witness had a well-documented medical history
    demonstrating a tenuous health status. The cardiologist wrote that testifying could have
    ramifications on his health.
    Contrary to the witnesses in the cited decisions, Maisa Haddad was not too ill to
    travel. Instead, this appeal presents the unique situation of the witness declining to travel
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    because of the need to care for a suffering family member. Abdul Sweidan contends that,
    since exceptions to face-to-face confrontation are narrow and no court has identified the
    illness of a mother warranting an exception, we should deny the State’s promotion of an
    important public policy.
    The parties forward no appellate decision addressing these circumstances. We also
    find no decision directly relevant. Nevertheless, we conclude that the important policy of
    alleviating physical pain and suffering can extend to the circumstances when the witness
    would attend to another’s needs resulting from such suffering. No reason exists to
    distinguish between the aching of the witness and the hurting of a witness’s close family
    member. Whether Maisa Haddad needed to care for the mother, however, poses a
    different question.
    Issue 3: Did the State establish the necessity to present the testimony of Maisa
    Haddad by video in order to further an important state interest?
    Answer 3: No. If we held the video conference testimony to be harmful, we would
    reverse the conviction or at least remand for an evidentiary hearing on the necessity of
    the video conference testimony.
    We continue to address the first of the two Craig prongs. Under the first element,
    the State must show that excusing the presence of the witness necessarily furthers an
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    important public policy. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 850
     (1990). Viewed in this
    light, Maryland v. Craig actually establishes a three-part test: (1) the presence of an
    important public policy, (2) remote testimony necessarily furthers the public policy, and
    (3) the procedure otherwise assures the reliability of the testimony. Reported decisions
    focus on whether the government identifies an important public policy and only
    incidentally address the necessity portion of the first prong.
    The word “necessity” can bear an emphatic connotation. For example, Black’s
    Law Dictionary defines the companion word “necessary” as “essential.” BLACK’S LAW
    DICTIONARY 1192 (11th ed. 2019). Nevertheless, the word has shades of meaning, from
    absolute physical necessity to convenience. McCulloch v. State, 
    17 U.S. 316
    , 413-15, 
    4 L. Ed. 579
     (1819). The law rarely, if ever, requires absolute or indispensable necessity in
    any setting. Central Puget Sound Regional Transit Authority v. WR-SRI 120th North
    LLC, 
    191 Wn.2d 223
    , 245, 
    422 P.3d 891
     (2018). Generally, the word “necessary” means
    reasonable necessity, under the circumstances of the particular case. Central Puget Sound
    Regional Transit Authority v. WR-SRI 120th North LLC, 191 Wn.2d at 245.
    Because the use of video conference testimony implicates an accused’s critical
    constitutional right, we do not consider the word “necessity” to connote mere
    convenience, particularly in light of reported decisions that declare convenience does not
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    qualify as an important public policy. We may be unable to circumscribe the meaning of
    necessity in this appeal’s context beyond concluding that the word means something more
    than “convenient,” although something less than “absolute physical necessity.”
    The trial court never entered a finding or commented in its oral ruling about the
    necessity of Maisa Haddad’s testifying remotely. Abdul Sweidan raised legitimate
    questions at trial, and he repeats those questions on appeal, about the purported need for
    Haddad to remain in Michigan. The letters of Maisa Haddad and the mother’s physician
    beg the question of whether another caregiver could have cared for the mother in the
    absence of Haddad for three days. We also wonder if the mother would have recovered
    in the near future or if the mother was terminally ill and would have died in the near
    future such that the court could have postponed trial for Haddad to later appear in
    Washington State.
    In United States v. Carter, 
    907 F.3d 1199
     (9th Cir. 2018), the Ninth Circuit Court
    of Appeals overruled the district court when that court failed to look for alternatives to an
    adult witness’s testifying remotely. The State charged Laron Carter with fourteen counts
    of trafficking and prostituting seven minor girls. One victim witness stated she could not
    travel to the trial due to her late pregnancy. The Ninth Circuit overturned the district
    court’s decision to permit the remote testimony of this witness, while reasoning that
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    pregnancy is a temporary disability and therefore alternatives existed to ensure the
    witness faced Carter in person. These alternatives included granting a continuance or
    severing the counts involving the witness.
    The decision most analogous is Bush v. State, 
    2008 WY 108
    , 
    193 P.3d 203
     (Wyo.
    2008), which decision addresses necessity. In a prosecution for first degree murder, the
    trial court allowed the prosecution to present testimony of an elderly couple who
    recognized David Bush’s pickup truck as the truck that passed them at a high rate of
    speed shortly after the murder. The couple also saw two large plastic bags in the bed of
    the truck. The husband developed congestive heart failure and renal failure one week
    before trial and could not travel from his home in Colorado to Wyoming. The wife did
    not wish to leave the husband alone. The decision does not disclose whether the wife
    helped to care for the husband. The trial court found that the wife would suffer great
    stress if she left her husband of sixty years to travel to Wyoming. The Wyoming Supreme
    Court affirmed the trial court’s ruling permitting the husband to testify by video
    conference. The state Supreme Court reversed the trial court’s ruling permitting the wife
    to testify remotely. The wife was not ill. The court, however, held the error to be
    harmless.
    Issue 4: Was the reliability of Maisa Haddad testimony assured?
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    No. 36060-1-III
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    Answer 4: Yes.
    On appeal, Abdul Sweidan argues that the State did not satisfy the second prong of
    the Craig test because the remote video conferencing did not ensure truthful testimony to
    the same extent as live testimony. In so arguing, Sweidan merely repeats his previous
    contention that video testimony inherently reduces the trustworthiness of trial testimony.
    Sweidan identifies no difficulty in the video or audio transmission or in the ability of the
    jury and him to observe the demeanor of Maisa Haddad or for Haddad to see Sweidan.
    Assuming the trial court allows video conference testimony, this court assesses
    whether other components of the confrontation clause were left intact, including “oath,
    cross-examination, and observation of demeanor by the trier of fact” to determine if
    testimony is reliable. Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. at 837
    . These components ensure the
    reliability of testimony in the absence of physical presence.
    Maisa Haddad testified under oath, the defense cross-examined her, and, according
    to the State, the jury could observe Haddad’s demeanor. Abdul Sweidan does not argue
    to the contrary. The State also highlights that it never asked Haddad to identify Abdul
    Sweidan. Therefore, we hold the reliability of the evidence was assured.
    Despite our ruling, we encourage the trial court or the State, with the court’s
    concurrence, to verify on the record the structure and the mechanics of the video
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    conference presentation. Such details should include the number and location of the
    video screens in the courtroom, the technology present at the location of the witness, the
    dimensions of the respective screens, and what sections of the witness’s body that the jury
    can see on the screen. The record should confirm that the jury and the defendant see the
    witness and the witness’s body language, and that they hear the witness. The record
    should also verify that the witness sees the jury and the defendant. Finally, at the
    conclusion of the testimony, the trial court or the State should substantiate that no errors
    in the transmission occurred. We do not hold, however, that any of these suggestions
    must necessarily be followed to fulfill the strictures of the confrontation clause.
    In United States v. Bordeaux, 400 F.3d at 555 (8th Cir. 2005), the federal appeals
    court commented that, before approving of two-way video testimony, the court would
    wish to know answers to a myriad of logistical questions. Important concerns included
    the size of the monitor, placement of the monitor, and placement of the cameras.
    Issue 5: Must the trial court enter findings of fact when granting a request for
    video conference testimony?
    Answer 5: Because of the lack of a formal assignment of error from Abdul Sweidan
    and because we find any error to be harmless, we do not resolve the question. Without
    issuing a ruling, we encourage trial courts to enter findings.
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    No. 36060-1-III
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    Abdul Sweidan emphasizes that the trial court entered no findings identifying the
    important state public policy on which the court relied or the need for video conference
    testimony to support the policy. He impliedly assigns error to the lack of findings.
    Nevertheless, because of the lack of a formal assignment of error and because of the
    lack of briefing directly on point, we decline to decide whether findings are essential.
    RAP 10.3(a)(4); Valente v. Bailey, 
    74 Wn.2d 857
    , 858, 
    447 P.2d 589
     (1968).
    In the context of child abuse victims, the United States Supreme Court, in
    Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
     (1990), has required specific findings to demonstrate
    necessity. The findings must include (1) remote testimony being necessary to protect the
    child, (2) the presence of the defendant traumatizing the witness, and (3) the emotional
    distress suffered by the child witness in the presence of the defendant was more than
    minimal.
    Other courts have followed the United States Supreme Court, in contexts outside
    child abuse cases, in directing lower courts to enter findings as to an identified important
    public policy and the need for video conference testimony to advance the policy. In
    Commonwealth v. Atkinson, 987 A.2d at 748 (2009), the Pennsylvania high court held
    that the trial court breached the accused’s confrontation rights, when conducting a motion
    to suppress, because the trial court failed to enter case specific findings when permitting
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    video testimony during the motion hearing. The court also failed to conduct an
    evidentiary hearing to determine if video testimony was warranted based on the specific
    facts relating to an individual witness. The court held the constitutional error to be
    harmless. In State v. Rogerson, 855 N.W.2d at 499 (Iowa 2014), the court wrote that the
    trial court must enter a fact specific finding of the necessity to substitute video for live
    testimony.
    In a prosecution for obtaining property by false pretenses, the court allowed a
    witness to testify by two-way, closed circuit internet broadcast from Nebraska to North
    Carolina. State v. Seelig, 
    226 N.C. App. 147
    , 
    738 S.E.2d 427
     (2013). The State alleged
    that Paul Seelig falsely advertised his bread as gluten free. The witness testified to tests
    he performed on samples of Seelig’s bread products. The court indicated that, to decide
    the necessity question, the trial court must hold an evidentiary hearing and make case
    specific findings as to the necessity of allowing the witness to testify outside the
    defendant’s physical presence in order to fulfill the important state interest. The trial
    court conducted a hearing, after which the court found that the witness had a history of
    panic attacks, had suffered a severe panic attack on the day he planned to fly from
    Nebraska to North Carolina for trial, was hospitalized as a result, and was unable to travel
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    No. 36060-1-III
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    to North Carolina because of his medical condition. The record showed that the
    defendant and the jury could see the witness while he testified.
    In People v. Buie, 
    285 Mich. App. 401
    , 
    775 N.W.2d 817
     (2009), the reviewing
    court remanded to the trial court for a specific finding because the record was devoid of
    any evidence or any findings by the trial court regarding the necessity of the video
    conferencing procedure implemented. In Horn v. Quarterman, 
    508 F.3d 306
     (5th Cir.
    2007), the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on habeas review held the lower court properly
    permitted remote testimony based on the court’s case specific finding of necessity. The
    reviewing court looked to the record and found the trial court took efforts to confirm the
    illness of a witness and his inability to travel and concluded in its findings that extreme
    circumstances made it necessary for the witness to give his testimony remotely. The trial
    court’s findings also included a specific overview of the procedural safeguards
    implemented to ensure the other components of his Sixth Amendment right remained
    intact.
    One court strongly suggested that the trial court conduct an evidentiary hearing
    before deciding whether to permit video conference testimony. The federal appeals court
    in United States v. Yates, 
    438 F.3d at 1315
     (11th Cir. 2006) stated that generally the trial
    court must hold an evidentiary hearing to determine whether it is essential in the
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    particular case to deny a defendant his constitutional rights in order to further a
    compelling state interest. The court reversed convictions because the district court failed
    to make “case-specific findings of fact that would support a conclusion that this case is
    different from any other criminal prosecution in which the Government would find it
    convenient to present testimony by two-way video conference.” United States v. Yates,
    
    438 F.3d at 1316
    .
    We note that neither the physician nor Maisa Haddad signed their respective letters
    or otherwise provided testimony under oath or penalty of perjury. We encourage trial
    courts to require affidavits or even testimony on the phone under oath before ruling on the
    necessity to further an important public policy.
    The remainder of this opinion has no precedential value. Therefore, it will be filed
    for public record in accordance with RCW 2.06.040, the rules governing unpublished
    opinions.
    FACTS REDUX
    Dania Alhafeth and Abdul Sweidan, originally from Homs, Syria, married in 1996.
    In 2012, the couple fled the Armageddon in Syria and moved to Jordan. In May 2016,
    Sweidan and Alhafeth moved to the United States as refugees with four of their children.
    Married daughter, Marisha, remained in Jordan. The couple and their four children
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    resided in a Kennewick apartment. We give the pseudonyms of Amal to their teenage
    daughter and Kashif to their youngest child, a boy. Amal was seventeen years old on
    August 30, 2017. Kashif was two years old on that date.
    During trial, Dania Alhafeth and Amal described the marital relationship between
    Alhafeth and Abdul Sweidan as permeated with quarrels about finances and Alhafeth’s
    socializing. Some arguments ended with Sweidan pushing or punching Alhafeth.
    Alhafeth sometimes struck back. The disputations occurred daily once the family arrived
    in the United States. If divorce ever entered the conversation, Sweidan threatened that he
    would rather kill Alhafeth than divorce her.
    During trial, Abdul Sweidan disagreed with his wife’s and his daughter’s
    characterization of the marriage. Sweidan testified that he and Dania Alhafeth
    maintained a good relationship. Sweidan conceded the couple faced marital problems in
    Jordan when he discovered Alhafeth’s relationship with another man. According to
    Sweidan, when he threatened to expose the relationship, she threatened to kill herself.
    Sweidan told Alhafeth not to kill herself because of the children, and he forgave her
    dalliance for the children’s benefit.
    Abdul Sweidan acknowledged that two and a half months before August 30, 2017,
    he and his wife quarreled. Dania Alhafeth screamed at Sweidan, so he spat on Alhafeth.
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    She scratched him in return. Sweidan denied ever striking Alhafeth. As a result of the
    scratching, Sweidan retorted to Alhafeth: “you are cursed in this life and the hereafter.”
    RP (April 13, 2018) at 1245-46.
    A month before August 30, 2017, Amal confronted her father and suggested that
    he and her mother separate. Abdul Sweidan responded with agitation and by approaching
    close to Amal as if to strike her.
    On August 29, 2017, the day preceding the stabbing, Dania Alhafeth took her three
    youngest children to a ubiquitous McDonald’s, where Amal worked. Alhafeth and the
    children planned to eat at the restaurant and give Amal a ride home after her shift.
    Unbeknownst to Alhafeth, Abdul Sweidan followed her to the restaurant. After Sweidan
    entered the restaurant, he grasped Alhafeth’s hand and directed her to sit. Alhafeth told
    Sweidan not to grab her hand. Alhafeth warned that the restaurant camera would capture
    his behavior and a restaurant employee would phone the police. Sweidan responded that
    he did not care. Alhafeth sat and the two conversed. Sweidan wanted to make peace.
    Alhafeth remarked:
    [W]hat we make peace about? We always fight and we always have
    the quarrels. And then we make the issue short, brief, and we close the
    subject.
    RP (April 11, 2018) at 1133.
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    According to Abdul Sweidan, he and Dania Alhafeth quarreled the night of August
    29 about Alhafeth’s side job of cooking for other families. Alhafeth sent all income from
    the cooking to her mother in Syria for use in anti-government operations. On that same
    day, he learned that Alhafeth had renewed contact with a romantic interest in Jordan.
    We present the conflicting accounts of Abdul Sweidan and Dania Alhafeth as to
    the events on August 30, 2017. Alhafeth testified that Sweidan surprised her by returning
    home in the afternoon early from work. Alhafeth and her two-year-old son, Kashif,
    reposed in the living room. Sweidan commented that the Tyson plant, where he worked,
    had exhausted its meat supply. Sweidan queried Alhafeth: “are we going to make up?”
    RP (April 11, 2018) at 1140. Alhafeth responded that she foresaw no benefit of
    reconciling because they constantly disagreed. Sweidan entered the kitchen, where
    Alhafeth assumed he intended to prepare food. Sweidan returned to the living room with
    a knife and repeatedly stabbed Alhafeth. Sweidan exclaimed: “‘[d]ie, die.’” “‘May God
    not bring you back.’” RP (April 11, 2018) at 1140-42.
    Dania Alhafeth testified that Kashif sat with her when Abdul Sweidan initiated
    the stabbing. Kashif yelled, “Momma, Momma,” and attempted to push his father. RP
    (April 11, 2018) at 1142. Sweidan took the toddler to a back bedroom and locked him
    inside the room. Kashif suffered no physical injuries.
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    According to Dania Alhafeth, Abdul Sweidan returned to the living room, changed
    clothes, and stuffed his disrobed clothes into a bag. Sweidan noticed that Alhafeth still
    breathed. Sweidan questioned: “‘you haven’t died yet?’” RP (April 11, 2018) at 1144.
    Sweidan then stabbed Alhafeth in the thigh. Sweidan left the apartment and locked the
    door.
    Dania Alhafeth testified that, as she heard Kashif crying and kicking the door, she
    located her phone. She called a neighbor, who called 911. When police arrived, Alhafeth
    alerted them to the locked bedroom holding her son. RP 682.
    Abdul Sweidan recounted different facts that transpired on August 30, 2017.
    Sweidan testified that, on August 30, he returned from work early because of a dental
    appointment. He wanted to bathe and nap before the appointment. On his arrival home,
    Dania Alhafeth confronted Sweidan and called him a traitor. Sweidan assumed Alhafeth
    found a story he wrote and hid about a Jewish man he met in Jordan who thought
    Sweidan was of Jewish descent. The Jewish man gave Sweidan a gold chain, star, and
    card with an Israeli flag thereon, which Sweidan kept. Alhafeth threatened to tell others
    that Sweidan was Jewish and a traitor. Sweidan retorted that he would inform Alhafeth’s
    family about her illicit relationship. During this argument, Kashif wandered out of his
    bedroom, and Alhafeth returned him to the bedroom and locked the door.
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    Abdul Sweidan, bored by Dania Alhafeth’s behavior, went to the bathroom to
    brush his teeth. Alhafeth called him into the kitchen and surprised him by displaying a
    large knife. Sweidan tried to snatch the knife from Alhafeth, but she slashed his fingers.
    She then stabbed her chest and neck. Sweidan asked Alhafeth why she insisted on
    hurting herself, and she replied that she wanted Sweidan to go to jail for a long time.
    According to Abdul Sweidan, after Dania Alhafeth inflicted cuts on his fingers and
    wounds to herself, he searched several rooms for items given him by the Jewish man in
    Jordan. He feared for his safety if Alhafeth’s family learned he harbored pro-Israel
    sentiments. While searching, he left blood from his fingers. He donned rubber gloves
    from the kitchen to control the bleeding from his fingers. The gloves did not stem the
    bleeding, so he threw them on the ground. Sweidan noticed blood splotches on the
    pajama pants he wore, so he removed the pants.
    Abdul Sweidan testified that he returned to Dania Alhafeth and saw her lying on
    the living room floor. He left the apartment and once outside remembered the locked
    bedroom held Kashif. He attempted to reenter the residence, but Alhafeth had positioned
    herself at the door, and she engaged the lock every time he tried to unlock the door.
    Sweidan told Alhafeth that he wanted to take Kashif and her to the hospital, but she
    refused to open the door.
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    Abdul Sweidan drove himself to Trios Hospital in Kennewick and arrived at
    1:37 p.m. Medical staff first assisted him at 1:49 p.m. He sustained large lacerations on
    his right hand. Abdul Sweidan spoke primarily Arabic. During the course of his
    treatment, Trios Hospital called an Arabic interpreter, who assisted Sweidan in
    communicating with staff. During the treatment, Sweidan told the treating physician the
    injuries occurred while cutting meat.
    Law enforcement officers arrived at Dania Alhafeth’s home at 1:42 p.m., and they
    ferried Alhafeth to Trios Hospital. At the emergency room, Dr. Brandon Thomas
    observed Alhafeth with two stab wounds on her face, multiple wounds on the right side of
    her back, wounds on the anterior and posterior abdomen, wounds on her left side flank,
    and wounds in her upper groin. Dr. Thomas classified Alhafeth’s condition as critical.
    Thomas concluded that Alhafeth could not have inflicted the wounds to her back.
    Thomas also noted she had defensive wounds between her thumb and second finger.
    Dania Alhafeth’s principal language is also Arabic. Trios Hospital employed an Arabic
    interpreter by phone also to communicate with Alhafeth.
    Nurse Debbie Logan noticed the use of two Arabic interpreter lines in the
    emergency room, one for use by a male patient and the other for use by a female patient.
    Amateur detective Logan pondered the implications of an Arabic-speaking woman,
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    suffering from stab wounds, being present in the same emergency room as an Arabic-
    speaking man, with large cuts on his hand. Logan deemed Abdul Sweidan’s changing of
    clothes unusual for one who suffered injuries. Logan also saw a large amount of blood
    spatter on his feet. She alerted the police, who approached Abdul Sweidan.
    During a search of the couple’s apartment, law enforcement seized Abdul
    Sweidan’s shirt, Kashif’s shirt, knives from the kitchen sink, and rubber gloves from
    under the sink. Law enforcement spotted blood throughout the apartment and took swabs
    from various locations.
    Swab testing confirmed the presence of Dania Alhafeth’s blood on Abdul
    Sweidan’s shirt, with the odds of a random match at 1 in 10 nonillion. The knives tested
    positive for blood, but tests could not discern if the blood was human blood. The rubber
    gloves had damp blood. The blood on the gloves matched Abdul Sweidan’s DNA, as the
    major contributor, with the odds of a random match at 1 in 2.1 nonillion. Blood found on
    Abdul Sweidan’s right calf matched the DNA of Dania Alhafeth as a major contributor
    with the odds of a random match at 1 in 10 nonillion.
    Kashif’s shirt contained blood on the bottom matching Abdul Sweidan’s DNA as a
    1 in 2.1 nonillion odds of a random match. The blood on the hood of Kashif’s shirt
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    contained a mixture of blood, making it 2.4 undecillion times more likely to be a mixture
    of Sweidan’s and Dania Alhafeth’s DNA than that of a random person’s.
    Other testing revealed blood on the apartment’s entryway floor, entryway wall,
    doorway, a coffee table, a brown couch, pillows on the couch, a telephone, a television
    stand, the bathtub, and the kitchen floor and counter. Bloodstains in the living room
    indicated that an injured party bled while lying on the living room floor. The master
    bedroom and bathroom also contained blood. The bathroom contained blood on a light
    switch and on toilet paper, such that it dripped on the wall and the floor. Blood on the
    light switch included a single source, matching Abdul Sweidan with the odds of a random
    match at 1 in 2.1 nonillion.
    Law enforcement officers also took blood swabs from inside Abdul Sweidan’s car.
    Testing of the samples revealed blood on the exterior driver door, a white plastic bag,
    a purple towel in the passenger side of the center control panel, and a cigarette box.
    PROCEDURE REDUX
    In addition to charging Abdul Sweidan with second degree murder and first degree
    assault, the State of Washington sought an exceptional sentence because Sweidan
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    committed the crimes in front of his minor son, Kashif. The State also charged Sweidan
    with committing the crimes with a deadly weapon other than a firearm.
    During trial, Abdul Sweidan’s daughter, Amal, testified. The prosecution asked
    her about a statement given to a detective on August 30, 2017.
    Q. And without saying anything that you heard or what anybody else
    said, do you remember what you told that detective?
    A. I said that—well, I don’t know exactly because it just depended
    on what questions he asked, so just depended on what questions were asked.
    I remember that I said that my family, they were having an argument or
    arguments, and I said that I think that, I think that was him who did that, I
    mean my dad.
    RP (April 4, 2018) at 632 (emphasis added).
    In addition to convicting Abdul Sweidan of attempted second degree murder and
    first degree assault, the jury also ruled Sweidan to have engaged in an aggravated
    domestic violence offense. The court later dismissed the first degree assault charge based
    on the prohibition on double jeopardy.
    At sentencing, Abdul Sweidan requested a sentence of no more than 189 months.
    The State sought an additional 147 month sentence, beyond a 189 month standard range
    sentence, because the stabbing occurred within sight and hearing of the couple’s child.
    Sweidan responded that, considering Kashif’s age at the time of the incident, he likely
    would have no memory of the event. The trial court imposed a sentence of 336 months,
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    which represented a standard range of 189 months plus 147 months for the sentencing
    enhancement.
    The sentencing court entered eighteen findings of fact and one conclusion of law.
    The findings of fact included:
    4. The facts presented at trial included evidence that the defendant
    came home early from work. His wife, Dania Alhafeth, was present with
    their two-year-old child. The defendant and Ms. Alhafeth had a brief
    conversation and the defendant grabbed a knife from the kitchen and began
    stabbing Ms. Alhafeth numerous times.
    5. At trial Ms. Alhafeth testified that the defendant, while stabbing
    her, said, “Die, Die and may God never bring you back.”
    ....
    12. The Court considered what punishment is proportionate to the
    criminal acts and the criminal history of the defendant for purposes of
    sentencing within the standard range. The Court also considered the
    seriousness level of the crime and the testimony of the victim.
    13. The Court considered the testimony of the victim and the impact
    to her and her family based on the horrific and brutal attack.
    14. The Court considered the number of stab wounds upon the
    victim, 23 to 30, and found this demonstrates the level of violence initiated
    during the attack by the defendant.
    15. The Court found that there were no mitigating factors the
    defendant presented. The Court also found the defendant did not show
    remorse or take any responsibility for the attack.
    16. The Court considered the facts presented at trial detailing the act
    being committed within the sight and sound of the young child and the
    impact it would make on this child for purposes of sentencing the defendant
    outside of the standard range. The Court considered the amount of trauma
    the child witnessed at such a young age[,] which the Court found may have
    long lasting effects. The Court finds that based on the conduct being within
    the sight and sound of the child that a standard range sentence is not
    sufficient punishment and not in the best interest of justice.
    42
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    CP at 152-53. The sole conclusion of law states:
    Based on the above findings of fact, the jury’s finding of guilt on
    Attempted Murder in the Second Degree with a Domestic Violence
    Allegation, an Aggravated Circumstance Allegation of Aggravated
    Domestic Violence, a Deadly Weapon Enhancement, the evidence
    presented at the hearing, and testimony at trial, the Court concludes that
    there are substantial and compelling reasons justifying an exceptional
    sentence of 147 months for a total of 336 months.
    CP at 153-54.
    The State of Washington sought a fifty-year ban on all contact between Abdul
    Sweidan, on the one hand, and Dania Alhafeth and the four children living in the United
    States, on the other hand. The State claimed that all children likely witnessed ongoing
    domestic violence meted by Sweidan and that contact with him would cause emotional
    distress. Abdul Sweidan objected to the length of the proposed no contact order on
    constitutional and other grounds. The court entered a no-contact order prohibiting
    Sweidan from initiating contact with the children until 2046, the date on which the State
    would likely release Sweidan from prison. According to the sentencing court, the minor
    child being subjected to a violent and brutal act warranted the children’s protection.
    The sentencing court ordered Abdul Sweidan to pay $900 in legal financial
    obligations including a $200 criminal filing fee and a $100 domestic violence penalty
    assessment.
    43
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    Issue 6: Was any constitutional error harmless?
    Answer 6: Yes.
    The State argues that any violation of Abdul Sweidan’s confrontation clause rights
    was harmless. We agree.
    A violation of the confrontation clause is subject to harmless error analysis. Lilly
    v. Virginia, 
    527 U.S. 116
    , 139-40, 
    119 S. Ct. 1887
    , 
    144 L. Ed. 2d 117
     (1999); State v. Lui,
    
    179 Wn.2d 457
    , 495, 
    315 P.3d 493
     (2014). If harmless error, a violation of a defendant’s
    rights under the confrontation clause does not require reversal. State v. Moses, 
    129 Wn. App. 718
    , 732, 
    119 P.3d 906
     (2005).
    Appellate courts generally assess harmless constitutional error in the context of the
    trial court admitting impermissible evidence. In such a context, the reviewing court
    naturally assesses whether the jury would have convicted absent such evidence. In our
    appeal, Abdul Sweidan challenges the method of presentation of the testimony, not the
    content of the testimony. If the trial court had required Maisa Haddad to testify in person
    and Haddad had appeared in Benton County, Washington, her testimony could have been
    more damning to Sweidan since the jury saw Haddad in person. Thus, Sweidan may have
    benefitted by any constitutional violation. Still, by drawing such a conclusion, we would
    speculate as to whether Maisa Haddad would have come to Washington State and
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    whether her face-to-face testimony would have caused greater harm to Sweidan. Also, all
    rulings permitting video testimony could escape review. No reported decision adjudges
    harmless error, in the context of wrongly admitted video conference testimony, based on
    the impact of the testimony if presented live. Instead, decisions assess harmless error
    under the traditional rule whereby the court measures the weight of the testimony absent
    the video testimony.
    A violation of a defendant’s rights under the confrontation clause constitutes
    harmless error if the State proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the jury verdict did not
    rely on the error. State v. Lui, 
    179 Wn.2d at 495
     (2014). An error is prejudicial unless
    the untainted evidence is so overwhelming it necessarily leads to a finding of guilt. State
    v. Koslowski, 
    166 Wn.2d 409
    , 431, 
    209 P.3d 479
     (2009). To determine whether a
    violation is harmless, this court reviews, the importance of the witness’s testimony in the
    prosecution’s case, whether the testimony was cumulative, the presence or absence of
    evidence corroborating or contradicting the testimony of the witness on material points,
    the extent of cross-examination otherwise permitted, and the overall strength of the
    prosecution’s case. Delaware v. Van Arsdall, 
    475 U.S. 673
    , 686-87, 
    106 S. Ct. 1431
    , 
    89 L. Ed. 2d 674
     (1986); State v. Saunders, 
    132 Wn. App. 592
    , 604, 
    132 P.3d 743
     (2006).
    45
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    An assessment of harmlessness cannot include consideration of whether the
    witness’s testimony would have been unchanged had there been confrontation. Coy v.
    Iowa, 
    487 U.S. at 1021-22
     (1988). Such an inquiry would involve pure speculation, and
    harmlessness must therefore be determined by reviewing the remaining evidence. Coy v.
    Iowa, 
    487 U.S. at 1021-22
    .
    Abdul Sweidan argues that admission of Maisa Haddad’s testimony was harmful
    as some of her testimony was not cumulative of other testimony. Sweidan also
    emphasizes that, during closing, the State relied on testimony of Haddad to corroborate
    testimony from Dania Alhafeth.
    Maisa Haddad testified that Abdul Sweidan told his attending doctor that he cut his
    hand while at work. This testimony conflicted with Sweidan’s testimony that he cut his
    hand when taking the knife away from Dania Alhafeth. Haddad also testified that the
    defendant cursed his wife while at the hospital, stating, “may God not bless her.” RP
    (April 5, 2018) at 767. In closing argument, the State mentioned Haddad’s testimony that
    Sweidan cursed his wife, while alluding to the similarity between the cursing in the
    hearing of Haddad and the cursing directly at Alhafeth.
    In the absence of Maisa Haddad’s testimony, the State presented overwhelming
    evidence to demonstrate Abdul Sweidan’s guilt. Dania Alhafeth testified that Sweidan
    46
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    repeatedly stabbed her with a kitchen knife in the attack. Her attending physician, Dr.
    Brandon Thomas, testified she sustained twenty-three stab wounds including on her back.
    Sweidan averred that Alhafeth cut herself. He did not contend some third party attacked
    his wife. The most harmful testimony came from Dr. Thomas, who opined that Alhafeth
    could not have inflicted the wounds on her back by herself.
    Maisa Haddad’s testimony, that Abdul Sweidan told his attending doctor that he
    cut his hand while at work, conflicted with Sweidan’s testimony that he cut his hand
    when taking the knife away from Dania Alhafeth. Nevertheless, Sweidan never denied
    telling the doctor that he cut his hand while at work.
    The couple’s residence contained blood throughout. The blood on gloves in the
    residence included a DNA match with Abdul Sweidan’s with odds of a random match at
    1 in 2.1 nonillion. Sweidan explained the blood by his testimony that his wife cut him.
    Nevertheless, Sweidan’s and Alhafeth’s blood on Kashif’s clothing contradicted
    Sweidan’s testimony that he earlier locked Kashif in his room.
    Maisa Haddad’s testimony that Abdul Sweidan cursed Dania Alhafeth was
    consistent with Sweidan’s own testimony that he earlier cursed Alhafeth for her conduct.
    Two months earlier, when Alhafeth scratched him, he told Alhafeth: “you are cursed in
    this life and the hereafter.” RP (April 12, 2018) at 1246.
    47
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    Amal Testimony
    Issue 7: May Abdul Sweidan assign error to the testimony from his daughter that
    she believed her father harmed her mother, when Sweidan did not challenge the testimony
    in the trial court?
    Answer 7: We decline to answer this question, and we review the merits anyway
    since the assignment of error may involve manifest constitutional error.
    For the first time on appeal, Abdul Sweidan contends that his daughter Amal’s
    testimony, that she believed Sweidan harmed her mother, constituted error. The State
    asks that we decline review of the assignment of error because Sweidan did not object to
    the testimony during trial.
    A party may not generally raise a new argument on appeal that the party did not
    present to the trial court. In re Detention of Ambers, 
    160 Wn.2d 543
    , 557 n.6, 
    158 P.3d 1144
     (2007). A party must inform the trial court of the rules of law it wishes the court to
    apply and afford the trial court an opportunity to correct any error. Smith v. Shannon,
    
    100 Wn.2d 26
    , 37, 
    666 P.2d 351
     (1983).
    RAP 2.5(a) embodies the principle that an appellant may not raise a new argument
    on appeal, but the rule contains a number of exceptions. RAP 2.5(a)(3) allows an
    appellant to raise for the first time “manifest error affecting a constitutional right,” an
    48
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    exception on which a criminal appellant commonly relies. The law treats constitutional
    errors especially under RAP 2.5(a) because the errors often result in serious injustice to
    the accused and may adversely affect public perceptions of the fairness and integrity of
    judicial proceedings. State v. Scott, 
    110 Wn.2d 682
    , 686-87, 
    757 P.2d 492
     (1988).
    Washington courts and even decisions internally have announced differing
    formulations for “manifest error.” First, a manifest error is one “truly of constitutional
    magnitude.” State v. Scott, 
    110 Wn.2d at 688
    . Second, perhaps perverting the term
    “manifest,” some decisions emphasize prejudice, not obviousness. The defendant must
    identify a constitutional error and show how, in the context of the trial, the alleged error
    actually affected the defendant's rights. The showing of actual prejudice renders the error
    “manifest,” allowing appellate review. State v. O’Hara, 
    167 Wn.2d 91
    , 99, 
    217 P.3d 756
    (2009); State v. Scott, 
    110 Wn.2d at 688
    . A third formulation requires that the facts
    necessary to adjudicate the claimed error be in the record on appeal. State v. McFarland,
    
    127 Wn.2d 322
    , 333, 
    899 P.2d 1251
     (1995).
    Sometimes the reviewing court does not decide whether the appeal challenge
    qualifies as manifest constitutional error until after reviewing the underlying arguments.
    In this circumstance, the court proceeds to preview the merits of the constitutional
    argument to determine if the challenge will likely succeed. State v. Reeder, 
    181 Wn. App. 49
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    897, 912, 
    330 P.3d 786
     (2014), aff’d, 
    184 Wn.2d 805
    , 
    365 P.3d 1243
     (2015). In doing so,
    the court will also address the merits of the claim and determine whether, in the context
    of the entire record, the error is harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. State v. O’Hara,
    167 Wn.2d at 99; State v. Grimes, 
    165 Wn. App. 172
    , 187, 
    267 P.3d 454
     (2011). We do
    so here.
    Issue 8: Did Amal’s testimony violate Abdul Sweidan’s right to a fair trial?
    Answer 8: No.
    Abdul Sweidan argues that under ER 701, Amal’s testimony violated his right to a
    fair trial. Sweidan contests the portion of Amal’s testimony when she replied to a
    question from the prosecution regarding her statements to a detective:
    Q. And without saying anything that you heard or what anybody else
    said, do you remember what you told that detective?
    A. I said that—well, I don’t know exactly because it just depended
    on what questions he asked, so just depended on what questions were asked.
    I remember that I said that my family, they were having an argument or
    arguments, and I said that I think that, I think that was him who did that, I
    mean my dad.
    RP (April 4, 2018) at 632. We note that the question posed by the State’s attorney was
    proper, but that Amal’s answer went beyond the scope of the question. The question only
    asked for a yes or no answer and instructed Amal not to disclose what she said to the
    detective. Although possibly not important, Amal did not directly testify that, as of the
    50
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    date of the trial, she deemed her father guilty. Instead, she testified that she earlier told a
    law enforcement officer that she believed her father assaulted her mother.
    ER 701 permits testimony by a lay witness only when the testimony is: (1)
    rationally based on the perception of the witness, (2) helpful to the jury, and (3) not based
    on scientific or specialized knowledge. A witness may not give his or her opinion as to
    the guilt of a defendant either by direct statement or inference. State v. Black, 
    109 Wn.2d 336
    , 348, 
    745 P.2d 12
     (1987).
    Abdul Sweidan relies on State v. Johnson, 
    152 Wn. App. 924
    , 
    219 P.3d 958
     (2009)
    to argue that Amal’s statements constituted manifest constitutional error. In State v.
    Johnson, the State charged Gerald Johnson with second degree child molestation. The
    court permitted three witnesses to testify to out-of-court statements made by Johnson’s
    wife. The complainant, her mother, and her stepfather all related an incident when
    Johnson’s wife confronted the complainant about the accusations against her husband and
    demanded that she prove she had a sexual relationship with Johnson. In response, the
    complainant mentioned a mole on Johnson’s penis and his specific sexual habits. All
    three witnesses testified that Johnson’s wife acknowledged that the accusations must be
    true. This court held that the testimony from the witnesses constituted manifest
    51
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    constitutional error and reversed the trial court’s admission of the evidence. This court
    characterized the testimony as collateral testimony offered solely to prejudice the jury.
    In light of State v. Johnson, Abdul Sweidan argues that Amal’s testimony served
    no purpose but to prejudice the jury against him since Amal vouched for Dania Alhafeth’s
    version of events. According to Sweidan, Amal’s testimony shed no light on the evidence
    and only expressed her belief as to his guilt. Sweidan worries that his daughter’s opinion
    that her father harmed her mother would carry great weight with jurors.
    We distinguish State v. Johnson. In Abdul Sweidan’s trial, the State did not ask
    Amal to express any opinion on Sweidan’s guilt. The State did not call multiple
    witnesses to testify as to a collateral matter, and Amal’s comment was fleeting. The State
    did not mention Amal’s comment during closing.
    In State v. Mohamed, 
    187 Wn. App. 630
    , 
    350 P.3d 671
     (2015), this court
    distinguished between a fleeting comment, which causes no prejudice, and the prosecutor
    directly asking a witness about the credibility of another witness and when a witness’s
    answer focuses on a credibility assessment. State v. Mohamed, 187 Wn. App. at 651.
    Unlike in Mohamed, Amal’s testimony went directly to the guilt of Abdul Sweidan, but
    the State did not solicit the testimony and the comment was fleeting.
    52
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    For an error to constitute manifest constitutional error, the error must have
    “practical and identifiable consequences.” State v. Montgomery, 
    163 Wn.2d 577
    , 595,
    
    183 P.3d 267
     (2008). Because of the transitory nature of Amal’s comment and
    overwhelming evidence of guilt, the remark lacked identifiable consequences.
    Exceptional Sentence
    Issue 9: Whether the trial court erred in imposing an exceptional sentence based
    on factors not found by the jury?
    Answer 9: No.
    The sentencing court imposed an exceptional sentence on Abdul Sweidan because
    he attempted to murder his wife in the presence of the couple’s young son, Kashif. On
    appeal, Sweidan contends the trial court erred in imposing the exceptional sentence
    because the court relied on evidence irrelevant to the aggravating circumstance. Sweidan
    observes that the sentencing court’s findings of fact 4, 5, 12, 13, 14, and 15, entered in
    support of the exceptional sentence, did not mention Kashif. The State responds that no
    improper reliance on additional factors occurred. Instead, according to the State, the
    court’s findings of fact established the reasoning for both the exceptional sentence and
    the evidence for the verdict.
    53
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    Under the Sentencing Reform Act of 1981 (SRA), chapter 9.94A.535 RCW, a
    sentencing court may impose an exceptional sentence based on “substantial and
    compelling reasons justifying an exceptional sentence.” The court must “set forth the
    reasons for its decision in written findings of fact and conclusions of law.” RCW
    9.94A.535. A jury must enter findings supporting the imposition of an exceptional
    sentence, and the trial court must then determine “whether the facts found by the jury are
    substantial and compelling reasons.” State v. Perry, 6 Wn. App. 2d 544, 557, 
    431 P.3d 543
     (2018).
    Abdul Sweidan’s jury found the aggravating circumstance of the crime being
    committed within a minor child’s sight and sound. RCW 9.94A.535(3)(h)(ii). The statute
    declares:
    (3) Aggravating Circumstances—Considered by a Jury—Imposed by
    the Court
    Except for circumstances listed in subsection (2) of this section, the
    following circumstances are an exclusive list of factors that can support a
    sentence above the standard range. Such facts should be determined by
    procedures specified in RCW 9.94A.537.
    ....
    (h) The current offense involved domestic violence, as defined in
    RCW 10.99.020, or stalking, as defined in RCW 9A.46.110, and one or
    more of the following was present:
    ....
    (ii) The offense occurred within sight or sound of the victim’s or the
    offender’s minor children under the age of eighteen years.
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    Based on the jury’s finding, the sentencing court held authority to impose an exceptional
    sentence based on that specific circumstance.
    When reviewing the propriety of an exceptional sentence, we ask: (a) whether the
    reasons given by the sentencing judge are supported by the evidence for which the
    standard of review is clearly erroneous; (b) whether the reasons justify a sentence outside
    the standard range under a de novo review; and (c) whether the sentence is too excessive,
    under an abuse of discretion review. State v. Kolesnik, 
    146 Wn. App. 790
    , 802-03, 
    192 P.3d 937
     (2008). Abdul Sweidan asks this court to review whether the reasons given
    justify the imposition of a sentence outside the standard range under a de novo review.
    Abdul Sweidan relies on State v. Perry, 6 Wn. App. 2d 544 (2018). In State v.
    Perry, the jury found injuries substantially exceeded the level of bodily harm necessary to
    constitute bodily harm as defined by the instructions. State v. Perry, 6 Wn. App. 2d at
    556. The trial court made additional findings that included:
    3. The victim in this case, Ryan Moore, may very likely have died
    had his brother not been walking along the road with him, which is a
    substantial and compelling reason to impose an exceptional sentence.
    ....
    5. The failure to stop and render aid in this case does not have any
    excuse in the view of the jury and in the view of this Court, which is a
    substantial and compelling reason to impose an exceptional sentence.
    6. The unwillingness to stop and see if anybody had in fact been hurt
    gives rise to two very unflattering implications . . . [t]hese are substantial
    and compelling reasons to impose an exceptional sentence.
    55
    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    State v. Perry, 6 Wn. App. 2d at 550. In Perry, this court reasoned that the above
    findings made by the trial court went beyond those facts submitted to the jury. This court
    reversed the trial court’s sentence because it was not satisfied that the trial court would
    have imposed the same sentence based on the jury findings alone.
    Abdul Sweidan’s sentencing court may have entered some findings of fact beyond
    those found by the jury. Nevertheless, the court relied on the jury’s determination that the
    the stabbing occurred within the sight and sound of the young child. Findings of fact 4
    and 16 specifically mentioned the crime being committed in the presence of Kashif. The
    other findings may be superfluous, but no rule prohibits the sentencing court from
    entering unneeded findings, as long as one or more of the findings justified the
    exceptional sentence. The findings echoed the finding by the jury.
    We do not face the same issue faced by the Perry court, when the court could not
    determine whether the trial court based its legal conclusion to impose the exceptional
    sentence solely on the jury’s finding or on additional facts unrelated to the finding.
    Sweidan’s sentencing court’s findings of fact demonstrated that the trial court imposed an
    exceptional sentence based on the jury’s finding of the aggravating factor.
    Issue 10: Did the trial court err in entering a 28-year total ban on contact with
    four of Sweidan’s children?
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    Answer 10: Maybe. We remand for further consideration.
    Abdul Sweidan next argues, as he did during sentencing, that the sentencing
    court’s imposition of a 28-year no-contact order with his four children violates his
    fundamental right to parent. Sweidan contends that the trial court determined the length
    of the no-contact order simply by matching it to the length of his sentence. Sweidan also
    argues the trial court failed to consider alternative restrictions such as allowing Sweidan’s
    children to initiate contact. The State contends that the no-contact order upholds the
    State’s interest to protect children from witnessing domestic violence and to protect their
    physical and mental health.
    Parents have a fundamental constitutional liberty interest in the “care, custody, and
    management” of their children. Santosky v. Kramer, 
    455 U.S. 745
    , 753, 
    102 S. Ct. 1388
    ,
    
    71 L. Ed. 2d 599
     (1982). This court must carefully review conditions that interfere with
    the right to the care, custody, and companionship of one’s children. In re Personal
    Restraint of Rainey, 
    168 Wn.2d 367
    , 374, 
    229 P.3d 686
     (2010). These conditions must be
    “‘sensitively imposed’” and must be “‘reasonably necessary to accomplish the essential
    needs of the State and public order.’” In re Personal Restraint of Rainey, 
    168 Wn.2d at 374
     (quoting State v. Warren, 
    165 Wn.2d 17
    , 32, 
    195 P.3d 940
     (2008)). Washington case
    law requires the trial court to articulate the reasons for the reasonable necessity for a no-
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    contact order or the record must demonstrate the necessity. State v. Howard, 
    182 Wn. App. 91
    , 101, 
    328 P.3d 969
     (2014). This court reviews sentencing conditions for an
    abuse of discretion. In re Personal Restraint of Rainey, 
    168 Wn.2d at 374
    . In reviewing
    a no-contact order, this court should review its scope and length of duration. State v.
    Howard, 182 Wn. App. at 101.
    Washington law does not permit blanket prohibitions of contact between a parent
    and his or her children absent a showing that the order is reasonably necessary to serve
    the State’s interest. “[T]he interplay of sentencing conditions and fundamental rights is
    delicate and fact-specific, not lending itself to broad statements and bright line rules.” In
    re Personal Restraint of Rainey, 
    168 Wn.2d at 377
    . Our Washington Supreme Court has
    gone as far as to state that, even in a case when the child is a victim of the parent,
    prohibiting all contact between the child and the defendant parent is inappropriate without
    a showing that the no-contact order is necessary for the child’s safety. In re Personal
    Restraint of Rainey, 
    168 Wn.2d at 378
    . A trial court should also consider if less
    restrictive alternatives, such as indirect contact or supervised visitation, may be
    reasonable instead of a full ban on contact.
    The State argues that its interest to protect children from witnessing domestic
    violence is compelling. State v. Ancira, 
    107 Wn. App. 650
    , 654, 
    27 P.3d 1246
     (2001).
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    The State also has the responsibility to protect a child when parental actions or decisions
    seriously conflict with the physical or mental health of the child. In re Welfare of Sumey,
    
    94 Wn.2d 757
    , 762, 
    621 P.2d 108
     (1980). Finally, the State argues that the Department of
    Corrections has a policy to restrict or deny contact between an offender and those of the
    same class that he or she has victimized.
    In State v. Aguilar, 
    176 Wn. App. 264
    , 
    308 P.3d 778
     (2013), this court upheld a
    ten-year no-contact order between Sebastian Cortes Aguilar and his thirteen-year-old
    daughter and younger son. In that case, Aguilar’s daughter witnessed Aguilar stab his
    wife at least five times and kill her. During the event, the daughter witnessed Aguilar
    beating her mother. The daughter attempted to remove her mother from the scene, and
    Aguilar followed them and stabbed his wife. Sebastian Cortes Aguilar claimed a cut his
    daughter sustained during the incident was an accident. The jury also convicted Aguilar
    of second degree assault of his daughter during the incident. The son witnessed the
    argument and called 911 during which he heard his mother screaming.
    At sentencing, the trial court observed that Sebastian Cortes Aguilar failed to take
    responsibility for the killing and blamed his wife for the incident. Further, the children
    were victims of his crime even though they were not the specific targets. This court held
    that the trial court did not abuse its discretion by imposing a ten-year no-contact order and
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    No. 36060-1-III
    State v. Sweidan
    that the trial court correctly found the no-contact order reasonably necessary to protect the
    emotional well-being of the two children. The ten-year length of the no-contact order
    allowed Cortes to regain contact with his children when the children are at a more mature
    age and can address their relationship with their father in light of the event that occurred.
    State v. Aguilar echoes Abdul Sweidan’s appeal in that Kashif witnessed the brutal
    assault and Amal testified against her father. Further, Abdul Sweidan blames his wife for
    the incident.
    Abdul Sweidan’s sentencing court considered the best interests of the children, but
    the court did not address whether the no-contact order would continue to further the
    State’s interest in protecting the children for twenty-eight years. The trial court failed to
    consider that the State’s interests may change over time. At the conclusion of the twenty-
    eight years, the children will be 47, 45, 39 and 30 respectively. The children may wish to
    see their father sooner and no harm may come to them by sooner visitation. Although
    Abdul Sweidan may be in prison, prison rules might allow some visitation.
    We remand and ask the trial court to reconsider the duration of its order and what
    is reasonably necessary to protect the children. This court outlined instructions, in State
    v. Torres, 
    198 Wn. App. 685
    , 
    393 P.3d 894
     (2017), for imposing the scope and duration
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    of the no-contact order. As stated in Torres, the trial court should consider whether a
    juvenile or family court would be a better place to resolve the issue.
    Criminal Filing Fee
    Issue 11: Did the trial court err in imposing the $200 criminal filing fee despite the
    Abdul Sweidan’s indigence.
    Answer 11: No, not at the time, but the law allows a retroactive striking of the fee.
    Abdul Sweidan contends that, under State v. Ramirez, 
    191 Wn.2d 732
    , 
    426 P.3d 714
     (2018), the 2018 amendments to the criminal filing fee statute require the $200
    criminal filing fee ordered by the trial court to be struck. Swedian argues that, under the
    current version of RCW 36.18.020(2)(h), the $200 filing fee may not be imposed on those
    defendants who are indigent at the time of sentencing. The sentencing court found
    Sweidan to be indigent. These amendments apply prospectively to cases pending on
    appeal, and therefore should apply in this case. State v. Ramirez, 191 Wn.2d at 746-50.
    The State concedes that the trial court should strike the $200 filing fee. As part of the
    remand, the sentencing court should strike the fee.
    Issue 12: Did the trial court err in imposing the discretionary $100 domestic
    violence penalty assessment despite the appellant’s indigence?
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    Answer 12: No, not at the time, but recent amendments to the law may allow the
    striking of the assessment.
    Finally, Abdul Sweidan contends that the 2018 amendments to the legal financial
    obligations statutes also require striking the $100 domestic violence penalty assessment as
    a discretionary cost. Sweidan emphasizes that RCW 10.99.080(1) states a court “may”
    impose a domestic violence penalty assessment. The statute declares:
    All superior courts . . . may impose a penalty assessment not to
    exceed one hundred dollars on any . . . person convicted of a crime
    involving domestic violence. The assessment shall be in addition to, and
    shall not supersede, any other penalty, restitution, fines, or costs provided
    by law.
    RCW 10.99.080(1).
    Although the State concedes the $100 domestic violence assessment should be
    struck, this court stated in State v. Smith, 9 Wn. App. 2d 122, 
    442 P.3d 265
     (2019) that
    the domestic violence penalty assessment differs from other discretionary fees. “Unlike
    the statutes governing filing fees and costs, the domestic violence penalty assessment
    statute was not amended by the 2018 LFO [legal financial obligations] legislation, and
    does not prohibit imposition of an assessment against indigent defendants.” State v.
    Smith, 9 Wn. App. 2d at 127. The inquiry required of the trial court before imposing the
    domestic violence penalty assessment is how imposition of an assessment on the
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    defendant will impact the victim. If the defendant is unable to pay “financial obligations
    to the victim, such as restitution or child support” then the trial court may decline to
    impose it. State v. Smith, 9 Wn. App. 2d at 128. RCW 10.99.080(5) states that “judges
    are encouraged to solicit input from the victim or representatives for the victim in
    assessing the ability of the convicted offender to pay the penalty, including information
    regarding . . . family circumstances, and ongoing restitution.”
    Abdul Sweidan’s sentencing court imposed a $4,924.86 crime victim’s
    compensation amount. Abdul Sweidan did not challenge that amount. The only
    information before this court relevant to the domestic violence penalty assessment is this
    amount of restitution.
    We remand to the trial court for input from Dania Alhafeth or her representative
    regarding family circumstances, and ongoing restitution in accordance with RCW
    10.99.080(5) in order to determine whether the imposition of the $100 assessment should
    be struck.
    Statement of Additional Grounds for Review
    In his statement of additional grounds, Abdul Sweidan argues that his wife tried to
    stab him and then stabbed herself on discovering that he is Jewish. Sweidan argued this
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    point before the trial court and his counsel included this narrative in the brief. Therefore,
    this argument presents no additional grounds for review.
    Abdul Sweidan also contends that the interpreter during the trial did not represent
    his answers correctly and did a bad job interpreting. The record does not support this
    contention. Rather, the interpreter repeatedly asked witnesses to slow down to permit
    adequate interpretation, and she alerted the judge to any issues with interpreting devices.
    We deny this additional ground.
    CONCLUSION
    We affirm Abdul Sweidan’s conviction for attempted second degree murder.
    We uphold the exceptional sentence based on a child witnessing the attempted homicide.
    We remand the case for resentencing. The sentencing court should reconsider the
    no-contact order in accordance with this opinion. The court should strike the filing fee
    and make further inquiries regarding the domestic violence assessment penalty.
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    Fearing, J.
    WE CONCUR:
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    Siddoway, J.                               Lawrence-Berrey, J.
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