State v. Stanley J. Maday, Jr. ( 2017 )


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    2017 WI 28
    SUPREME COURT             OF   WISCONSIN
    CASE NO.:               2015AP0366-CR
    COMPLETE TITLE:         State of Wisconsin,
    Plaintiff-Respondent-Petitioner,
    v.
    Stanley J. Maday, Jr.,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    REVIEW OF A DECISION OF THE COURT OF APPEALS
    Reported at 
    365 Wis. 2d 608
    , 
    871 N.W.2d 867
    (Ct. App. 2015 – Unpublished)
    OPINION FILED:          April 5, 2017
    SUBMITTED ON BRIEFS:
    ORAL ARGUMENT:          September 9, 2016
    SOURCE OF APPEAL:
    COURT:               Circuit
    COUNTY:              Columbia
    JUDGE:               Andrew W. Voigt
    JUSTICES:
    CONCURRED:           BRADLEY, R. G., J. concurs (opinion filed).
    DISSENTED:           BRADLEY, A. W., J. joined by ABRAHAMSON, J.
    dissents (opinion filed).
    NOT PARTICIPATING:
    ATTORNEYS:
    For      the    plaintiff-respondent-petitioner       the   cause   was
    argued by Thomas Balistreri, assistant attorney general, with
    whom on the brief(s) was Brad D. Schimel, attorney general.
    For the defendant-appellant, there was a brief and oral
    argument          by   Megan   Sanders-Drazen,   assistant     state   public
    defender.
    
    2017 WI 28
    NOTICE
    This opinion is subject to further
    editing and modification.   The final
    version will appear in the bound
    volume of the official reports.
    No.       2015AP366-CR
    (L.C. No.    2011CF442)
    STATE OF WISCONSIN                        :            IN SUPREME COURT
    State of Wisconsin,
    Plaintiff-Respondent-Petitioner,
    FILED
    v.
    APR 5, 2017
    Stanley J. Maday, Jr.,
    Diane M. Fremgen
    Defendant-Appellant.                          Clerk of Supreme Court
    REVIEW of a decision of the Court of Appeals.            Reversed.
    ¶1      MICHAEL J. GABLEMAN, J.     We review an unpublished,
    per curiam decision of the court of appeals that reversed the
    Columbia County circuit court's1 judgment of conviction taken
    against Stanley J. Maday Jr. ("Maday") and which granted Maday a
    new trial.       State v. Maday, No. 2015AP366-CR, unpublished slip
    op. (Wis. Ct. App. Oct. 29, 2015).
    ¶2      On January 15, 2013, following a jury trial, Maday was
    convicted of three counts of first-degree sexual assault of a
    1
    The Honorable W. Andrew Voigt presiding.
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    child.   Maday moved for postconviction relief, arguing that he
    received ineffective assistance of counsel because:              (1) his
    counsel failed to object to two questions the prosecutor asked
    Catherine Gainey ("Gainey"), the social worker who conducted a
    cognitive graphic interview with the child victim in this case,
    and (2) his counsel should not have withdrawn an objection to
    the introduction of evidence about Maday's job-related training
    in the use of weapons and the use of force.
    ¶3    We hold that Gainey's testimony about the absence of
    indications during the cognitive graphic interview, either that
    K.L. had been coached or that K.L. was being dishonest, does not
    violate the Haseltine2 rule, and is therefore admissible.              We so
    hold for three reasons.        First, Gainey's testimony was limited
    to her observations of indications of coaching and dishonesty.
    Second, by limiting her testimony to indications of coaching and
    dishonesty, Gainey did not provide a subjective opinion as to
    K.L.'s truthfulness.     Third, testimony, such as Gainey's, may
    assist the jury.   Accordingly, we conclude that Maday's counsel
    was not ineffective for failing to object to Gainey's testimony
    and counsel's performance was therefore not deficient.
    ¶4    Furthermore,    we    conclude   Maday's   counsel     was     not
    ineffective for withdrawing his objection to the introduction of
    evidence of Maday's job-related training in the use of weapons
    2
    State v. Haseltine, 
    120 Wis. 2d 92
    , 96, 
    352 N.W.2d 673
    (Ct. App. 1984) (prohibiting a witness from "giv[ing] an opinion
    that another mentally and physically competent witness is
    telling the truth").
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    and the use of force because Maday was not prejudiced by that
    testimony.
    ¶5     The decision of the court of appeals is, therefore,
    reversed.
    ¶6     We begin our analysis with a brief factual background
    and   procedural      history.      We     then      turn       to    a    discussion       of
    forensic     interview       techniques,       the    Haseltine           rule,     and    the
    application of the Haseltine rule to Gainey's testimony in this
    case.      After concluding Gainey's testimony does not violate the
    Haseltine     rule,     we     address     Maday's          claim         of     ineffective
    assistance of counsel.
    I.   FACTUAL BACKGROUND AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY
    ¶7     In November 2011, the mother of eleven-year-old K.L.
    found    a   letter    authored    by     K.L.       that       described        how     Maday
    sexually assaulted K.L. on three occasions.                      In the letter, K.L.
    described how, when she slept over at her friend's house, Maday
    (her friend's father) put his hands in her pants, placed his
    fingers in her vagina, and slipped his hands under her bra to
    feel her breasts.            After finding this letter, K.L.'s mother
    reported Maday to the police.                  Due to the fact that K.L. was
    eleven years old, the police arranged to have K.L.'s allegations
    assessed by means of a forensic interview with a social worker.
    The     social    worker,       Gainey,        interviewed            K.L.       about     her
    allegations.       Gainey conducted the interview using a type of
    forensic      interview       technique        called       a        cognitive         graphic
    interview.
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    ¶8     For   his   part,   Maday   denied   K.L.'s    allegations,    and
    pled not guilty to three counts of first-degree sexual assault
    of   a       child    in   violation   of   
    Wis. Stat. § 948.02
    (1)(b)3    and
    § 948.02(1)(e).4           The case proceeded to trial by jury.
    ¶9     The trial began with the prosecutor calling K.L. to
    the stand.           Crying, K.L. read to the jury the letter she wrote
    to her mother:
    Dear Mom, I'm scared to tell you in person so I wrote
    this letter.    Stan has been sexually harassing me
    while I'm asleep.    I wake up to him either sticking
    his hand down my shirt and bra or down my pants and
    underwear. I don't do anything because I'm afraid he
    will hurt me. He's done this three times now. He did
    it Friday night. He stuck his hand down my pants and
    started rubbing there, and then he stuck his finger in
    my vagina. Then he also stuck his hand down my shirt
    and my bra, grabbed my boob.     I was moving and was
    moving it around.   I know I should have told you the
    first time this happened, but I was too scared. He's
    done it three times now, and I want it to stop now if
    I file papers against him or take him to court.
    Sincerely, [K.L.]
    At trial, K.L. explained the letter she wrote to her mother by
    further describing the sexual assaults.                    K.L. testified about
    one of the assaults:             "I remember in the middle of the night
    that I woke up to Stan touching me and the T.V. being on and [my
    friend] still being next to me sleeping."                    She also described
    3
    "Whoever has sexual intercourse with a person who has not
    attained the age of 12 years is guilty of a Class B felony."
    
    Wis. Stat. § 948.02
    (1)(b) (2009–10).
    4
    "Whoever has sexual contact with a person who has not
    attained the age of 13 years is guilty of a Class B felony."
    
    Wis. Stat. § 948.02
    (1)(e) (2009-10).
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    how, on another occasion, she awoke on the top bunk in her
    friend's bedroom to Maday touching her.
    ¶10    K.L. testified that she did not open her eyes during
    these assaults until she knew Maday had left the room "[b]ecause
    I figured if he knew I was awake, he would end up hurting me."
    Only during the second assault did K.L. say she opened her eyes,
    but only briefly, lest Maday realize he woke her up.                 K.L. also
    described how, on at least one occasion, Maday placed his finger
    in her vagina.
    ¶11    During his cross-examination of K.L., Maday's counsel
    played portions of K.L.'s videotaped cognitive graphic interview
    with    Gainey    for    the    purpose      of   showing    the     jury     the
    inconsistencies——the precise number of fingers Maday inserted
    into her vagina and the exact dates of the assaults——between
    K.L.'s trial testimony and what K.L. told Gainey during the
    cognitive      graphic    interview.          K.L.     testified     that     the
    inconsistencies were the result of her "remembering new things"
    from being forced to think about what happened to her.
    ¶12    The State subsequently called K.L.'s mother, and she
    testified that, when she returned home from work one day, she
    found   the    letter    that   K.L.   had   written    on   her    bed.      She
    testified that after finding the letter she went to K.L.'s room
    where she woke up K.L. to talk about the letter.               K.L.'s mother
    testified that "[K.L.] was having a hard time talking" and that
    "[s]he was crying, shaking, scared," and "hysterical."                     It was
    at this point, K.L.'s mother said, that she alerted the police.
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    ¶13   As        part     of    the     defense's       case-in-chief,         Maday's
    counsel called Gainey to testify about the cognitive graphic
    interview she conducted with K.L.                    Gainey described the type of
    forensic interview technique, the cognitive graphic interview,
    that   she     uses     when     interviewing        children       about    their    sexual
    assault allegations and how it is "a rather highly structured
    interview."         She testified that she was "specially trained" in
    using the cognitive graphic interview "to not conduct leading
    interviews of children"; that she has conducted about fifty of
    these types of interviews; and that she has "had experiences in
    the past where children have been essentially prompted by an
    adult to give a certain type of answer during this interview"
    but    that,      by     using       the    cognitive     graphic      interview,         such
    prompting "become[s] apparent."
    ¶14   Gainey           also    described        how     a    cognitive        graphic
    interview is designed to minimize the risk of false allegations
    by, among other things, avoiding leading questions and "mak[ing]
    sure there is consistency between what they are telling [the
    interviewer] or have told other people."                           The point, according
    to Gainey, is to use the cognitive graphic interview to minimize
    the risk that a child's allegations are a result of coaching by
    another and to determine if the child fully understands the
    difference between truth and lies, along with the consequences
    of lying.
    ¶15   Gainey           testified      that,     when    done     correctly,         the
    interviewer       in     a    cognitive      graphic    interview      uses       open-ended
    questions      to      let     the    child    introduce       information         into    the
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    conversation and express what happened in his or her own words.
    The   interviewer          also    engages      in    a     "truth–lie"           discussion       in
    order    to    determine          if    the   child       adequately           understands        the
    difference         between        the    concepts         of    truth           and    lies,     the
    importance of telling the truth, and the consequences of lying.
    At    the     end    of     an     interview         using      "the          proper     interview
    technique,"         it     "become[s]         apparent"        if     a       child    has      "been
    essentially         prompted      by    an    adult    to      give       a    certain    type     of
    answer."       In short, the cognitive graphic interview technique
    "is a way to insure that a child who has been coached does not
    continue with the false allegations."
    ¶16     As      it     specifically            pertains         to         the     truth-lie
    discussion      she        had    during      her     interview           with    K.L.,      Gainey
    testified,      "We        reviewed      what's       called        the       children's        oath.
    It's, you know, do you promise to tell the truth, the whole
    truth, and nothing but the truth, and the child at that point
    states typically yes.              In this case, [K.L.] did . . . ."                          Gainey
    also recounted that "[K.L.] said somebody could get into trouble
    such as going to jail when asked if there are consequences for
    when people lie.            And then she promised to tell the truth after
    that."
    ¶17     After       Gainey       testified      about      the          cognitive      graphic
    interview technique, her experience with it, and specifics of
    her     interview        with     K.L.,       the    prosecutor           asked        Gainey     the
    following questions that are now at issue and that give rise to
    the first part of Maday's claim of ineffective assistance of
    counsel:
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    [Prosecutor:]   Was there any indication that [K.L.]
    had been coached in any way during her interview?
    [Gainey:]        No.
    [Prosecutor:]   Was there any indication that [K.L.]
    was not being honest during her interview with you?
    [Gainey:]        No.
    Maday's counsel did not object to these questions, and these
    questions essentially concluded Gainey's testimony.
    ¶18   Maday also testified.                During his testimony, he read
    portions of his work records from his job as a sergeant at
    Columbia Correctional Institution.                  He did so for the purpose of
    casting doubt on whether he could have been at home at the times
    K.L.    claimed        he    assaulted     her.         On    cross-examination,           the
    prosecutor    had       Maday    read     specific      entries      about       job-related
    training sessions he attended for weapons training and use-of-
    force   training.             Maday's    counsel     objected        to    this     line   of
    questioning       as    irrelevant,       but     withdrew     the    objection.           The
    circuit court noted that "whether or not [K.L.] was aware of
    these specific trainings, I think it is probably true that she
    was generally aware" that correctional officers receive weapons
    and    use-of-force          training.       Maday       testified        that     he   never
    demonstrated these techniques for, or used them on, K.L.
    ¶19   During         closing     arguments,      the    prosecutor         asked    the
    jury to believe K.L.              As part of his argument, the prosecutor
    referred     to   Gainey's       testimony        and    reminded     the        jury   that,
    during the cognitive graphic interview, Gainey did not see any
    indications that K.L. had been coached or was being dishonest.
    The prosecutor also commented on Maday's weapons and use-of-
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    force training saying, "He is trained in all those things so
    [K.L.]'s worry he might do something to her was very real to
    her.    It was very real to her."            In an effort to cast doubt on
    K.L.'s testimony, Maday's counsel replayed portions of K.L.'s
    cognitive     graphic    interview      with     Gainey   to    highlight        the
    inconsistencies       between      K.L.'s    interview    and       K.L.'s     trial
    testimony.        In particular, he highlighted two inconsistencies:
    (1) the precise number of fingers Maday placed inside K.L.'s
    vagina and (2) the exact dates of the sexual assaults.
    ¶20   After closing arguments, the circuit court instructed
    the members of the jury, for the second time during Maday's
    trial, on their role as the sole judges of the credibility of
    the witnesses.        Specifically, the circuit court instructed the
    jury that "[y]ou are the sole judges of the credibility, that is
    believability of the witnesses and of the weight to be given to
    their testimony."
    ¶21   The jury chose to believe K.L.            It found Maday guilty
    of all three counts, and the circuit court sentenced Maday to 25
    years of initial confinement and 8 years of extended supervision
    on the first count, 15 years of initial confinement and 8 years
    of extended supervision on the second count, and 15 years of
    initial confinement and 8 years of extended supervision on the
    third count.
    ¶22   On    October   23,     2014,     Maday   filed    a     motion    for
    postconviction relief.          In his motion, Maday argued he received
    ineffective assistance of counsel, which required the circuit
    court to grant him a new trial.              Maday claimed his counsel was
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    ineffective (1) for failing to object to Gainey's testimony that
    she observed no indications of coaching or dishonesty during
    K.L.'s cognitive graphic interview and (2) for withdrawing the
    objection to the introduction of evidence of Maday's job-related
    weapons and use-of-force training.                       The circuit court denied
    Maday's motion.         In denying Maday's motion, the circuit court
    noted   that      Gainey's     testimony        "is   about     as    close      as     I    can
    personally envision to the line of what is permissible versus
    impermissible."         But,       it   found     Gainey's      testimony        about        the
    absence of any indications of coaching and dishonesty during the
    cognitive      graphic       interview         admissible       because          it     "dealt
    specifically with the videotaped interview."                          Therefore, there
    was no deficient performance.                The circuit court also noted that
    the evidence of Maday's job-related training in weapons and use
    of   force     was    irrelevant         but      that    the    evidence             was     not
    prejudicial        because     it       is   likely       commonly         assumed          that
    correctional officers have this type of training.                                Thus, the
    circuit court found no ineffective assistance of counsel.                                   Maday
    appealed.
    ¶23     The     court    of    appeals       reversed      the     circuit         court.
    Maday, unpublished slip op., ¶21.                     It determined that Gainey's
    testimony    violated        the    Haseltine      rule    in    that      her    testimony
    vouched for K.L.'s credibility, and that Maday's counsel was
    ineffective for failing to object.                 
    Id.,
     ¶¶19–20.
    ¶24     The court of appeals did not address whether Maday's
    counsel was ineffective for withdrawing his objection to the
    evidence     of      Maday's       job-related        weapons        and     use-of-force
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    training     because        Maday's        first      argument        for     ineffective
    assistance of counsel resolved the case.                     
    Id.,
     ¶20 n.3.
    II.    STANDARD OF REVIEW
    ¶25   Whether a defendant received ineffective assistance of
    counsel is a mixed question of law and fact.                     State v. Erickson,
    
    227 Wis. 2d 758
    ,         768,    
    596 N.W.2d 749
            (1999).         "We    will   not
    disturb the circuit court's findings of fact unless they are
    clearly erroneous."           
    Id.
            "[T]he circumstances of the case and
    the counsel's conduct and strategy" are considered findings of
    fact.   State v. Jenkins, 
    2014 WI 59
    , ¶38, 
    355 Wis. 2d 180
    , 
    848 N.W.2d 786
    .       Whether counsel's performance was ineffective is a
    question of law that we review independently.                               Erickson, 
    227 Wis. 2d at 768
    .
    III.    DISCUSSION
    ¶26   In    order      to     assess        Maday's    claim     of     ineffective
    assistance       of     counsel,     we     first     address     whether           Gainey's
    testimony about her observations of indications of coaching and
    dishonesty       made      during    K.L.'s        cognitive     graphic           interview
    violates the Haseltine rule.                To answer this question, we begin
    with an explanation of forensic interview techniques and the
    Haseltine rule.          We then address the admissibility of Gainey's
    testimony.       Second, we address Maday's claim for ineffective
    assistance of counsel.
    A.    Forensic Interview Techniques
    ¶27   Starting with a series of high-profile child sexual
    assault cases in the 1980s, the interview techniques used with
    the children during the investigation of some of these cases
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    raised concerns that children were making false allegations of
    abuse.       See, e.g., McMartin v. Children's Inst. Int'l, 
    261 Cal. Rptr. 437
     (Ct. App. 1989); State v. Michaels, 
    642 A.2d 1372
    (N.J. 1994); see also Sena Garven et al., More than Suggestion:
    The    Effect        of    Interviewing        Techniques      from    the     McMartin
    Preschool Case, 83 J. Applied Psychol. 347 (1998).                           Indeed, a
    large number of what turned out to be false allegations caused
    the public to perceive children as less-than-credible witnesses
    because of their vulnerability to suggestion and coaching.                             See
    Michaels, 642 A.2d at 1376 ("[O]ur common experience tells us
    that     children         generate    special      concerns     because      of      their
    vulnerability,            immaturity,        and      impressionability . . . .").
    Research on detecting false allegations from children following
    in the wake of these cases led to a marked improvement in the
    quality of forensic interview techniques used in child sexual
    assault investigations, allowing forensic interviewers to better
    meet the unique situations present in these instances.                                 See
    Garven et al., supra.
    ¶28     The     forensic      interview        techniques    used     today     are
    accepted       among      experts     and    courts      as   effective      tools    for
    investigating        child     sexual       assault    allegations    because        these
    methods minimize the risk of false allegations of abuse that
    result from a child's vulnerability to suggestion and coaching.
    See Karen J. Saywitz & Lorinda B. Camparo, Contemporary Child
    Forensic Interviewing:               Evolving Consensus and Innovation over
    25    Years,    in     Children      as   Victims,     Witnesses,     and    Offenders:
    Psychological Science and the Law 102, 105–06 (Bette L. Bottoms
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    et al. eds., 2009); see also State v. Michael H., 
    970 A.2d 113
    ,
    120     (Conn.       2009)     ("In       order        to     discover     child      abuse,
    investigators          often      rely     on        forensic    interviews . . . .").
    Indeed,     allegations        made      by     children       present    such    a   unique
    circumstance that forensic interview techniques are useful, even
    necessary, to combat the problems that arise with allegations of
    abuse made by children.               Cf. Michaels, 642 A.2d at 1377 ("That
    an investigatory interview of a young child can be coercive or
    suggestive and thus shape the child's responses is generally
    accepted.        If a child's recollection of events has been molded
    by an interrogation, that influence undermines the reliability
    of the child's responses as an accurate recollection of actual
    events.").
    ¶29      The     forensic          interview          techniques     used       today,
    including the cognitive graphic interview technique Gainey used
    in this case, are designed to address the reliability problems
    that arise with allegations of abuse made by children and to
    avoid    the     problems      caused      by    the        interview    techniques     used
    previously.          See Saywitz & Camparo, supra, at 103.                      There are a
    variety     of    types      of    forensic          interview    techniques       used   to
    accomplish these results.                  For example, the court of appeals
    dealt with the "Step Wise" method, State v. Krueger, 
    2008 WI App 162
    , ¶5, 
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , 
    762 N.W.2d 114
    , and the Supreme Court
    of South Carolina dealt with the "Rapport, Anatomy, Touch, Abuse
    Scenario, and Closure" method, State v. Kromah, 
    737 S.E.2d 490
    ,
    499 (S.C. 2013).          Here, though, Gainey used a type of forensic
    interview called the "cognitive graphic interview."                             See Saywitz
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    & Camparo, supra, at 109–10 (providing a brief description of
    the cognitive graphic interview technique).
    ¶30   These different types of forensic interview techniques
    are   marked      by    some    common       characteristics.             Id.     at    105–06.
    First, forensic interview techniques use open-ended questions
    and avoid leading questions in an effort to allow the child to
    tell the story in his or her own words.                            See State v. Hilton,
    
    764 So. 2d 1027
    , ¶20 (La. Ct. App. 2000), cert. denied, 
    786 So. 2d 113
     (La. 2001).             Second, forensic interview techniques employ
    truth–lie      discussions        wherein       the    interviewer          evaluates       the
    child's     understanding         of     truth        and    lies     and       the     child's
    understanding of the consequences for telling lies.                                See State
    v. Douglas, 
    671 S.E.2d 606
    , 607 (S.C. 2009).
    ¶31   The        interviewer       trained       in     a     forensic          interview
    technique looks for indications that a child has been coached to
    make the allegations of abuse or indications that the child is
    being dishonest in making the allegations of abuse.                                See State
    v. Wembley, 
    712 N.W.2d 783
    , 790–91 (Minn. Ct. App. 2006), aff'd,
    
    728 N.W.2d 243
     (Minn. 2007).                   For example, a trained forensic
    interviewer looks at what information the child introduces into
    the conversation in response to questioning and looks for a
    child to communicate this information using a vocabulary and
    understanding          consistent      with    the     child's       age.         See    August
    Piper, Investigating Child Sex Abuse Allegations:                                 A Guide to
    Help Legal Professionals Distinguish Valid from Invalid Claims,
    36 J. Psychiatry & L. 271, 302–03 (2008).                          The less information
    a   child   can    produce       on    his    or   her      own,    the     more       likely   a
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    forensic interviewer will take this as an indication that the
    allegations of abuse are false.                      The same holds true for how the
    child communicates that information.                           Id. at 308.                 In other
    words,      a    forensic        interviewer          evaluates          whether      a     child's
    recollection of abuse is "told from a child's viewpoint, and
    [whether]            sexual    knowledge        in     the     child's         statements        or
    behavior . . . is              beyond     that        expected           for     the        child's
    developmental              stage."      Id.       The       more    "adult"          the    child's
    language, the more likely a forensic interviewer will consider
    the language to be an indication that the allegations of abuse
    are false.
    ¶32       As     another       example,    an     expert       trained         in    forensic
    interviewing           remains       alert      for     consistency            with       "explicit
    details."            Id. at 307.         "[A] vague or inconsistent account,
    delivered evasively or using the same rote phrases, detracts
    from the child's credibility."                        Id.     "[A] child's refusal to
    discuss details of the abuse should alert the interviewer to the
    possibility of a fabricated allegation."                           Id.
    ¶33       These indications are often observable only within the
    context         of     a    forensic     interview          and     only       to     a     trained
    interviewer and thus, taken as a whole, fall outside the realm
    of common knowledge.                 E.g., Williams v. State, 
    970 So. 2d 727
    ,
    ¶¶24-27 (Miss. Ct. App. 2007) (admitting a forensic interviewer
    as an expert because her training in forensic interviewing gave
    her specialized knowledge).                   Accordingly, a jury could benefit
    from an expert's assistance when interpreting and identifying
    the   indications             bearing    on     the     independence            of    a     child's
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    allegations of abuse when such situations arise.                             See 
    Wis. Stat. § 907.02
     (2013–14).
    B.    The Haseltine Rule
    ¶34    "Under Wisconsin law, a witness may not testify 'that
    another mentally and physically competent witness is telling the
    truth.'"      State v. Jensen, 
    147 Wis. 2d 240
    , 249, 
    432 N.W.2d 913
    (1988)    (quoting        State      v.   Haseltine,         
    120 Wis. 2d 92
    ,       96,    
    352 N.W.2d 673
     (Ct. App. 1984)).                   Often called the "Haseltine rule,"
    this   principle       is    rooted       in    the       rules    of    evidence    that    say
    "expert testimony must 'assist the trier of fact to understand
    the    evidence      or   to    determine        a    fact    in    issue.'"         State    v.
    Pittman,      
    174 Wis. 2d 255
    ,         267,       
    496 N.W.2d 74
          (1993)     (quoting
    
    Wis. Stat. § 907.02
    ).                "Expert testimony does not assist the
    fact-finder if it conveys to the jury the expert's own beliefs
    as to the veracity of another witness."                            
    Id.
         The jury is the
    sole judge of credibility of the witnesses, and a witness who
    comments on the veracity of another witness usurps this role
    instead      of   assisting       the     jury       in    fulfilling       it.      State    v.
    Romero, 
    147 Wis. 2d 264
    , 278, 
    432 N.W.2d 899
     (1988).
    ¶35    Accordingly, in State v. Krueger, the court of appeals
    recognized that expert testimony from a social worker about her
    observations made during a forensic interview "on typical signs
    of whether a child has been coached or evidences suggestibility
    and    whether      the     complainant         child       exhibits      such     signs"    was
    admissible.         Krueger, 
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶14.                      This was so because
    it    would   assist      the     jury     to    assess       the       credibility    of    the
    child's      allegations        of    sexual     assault.           Id.,     ¶¶14-15.        The
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    No.       2015AP366-CR
    social       worker's      testimony       in        Krueger      was     ultimately             found
    inadmissible, though, because it went a step too far in that the
    social worker testified that she did not believe the child could
    maintain      her    story       "unless    it        was    something         that        she    had
    experienced."            Id., ¶15.        This had the effect of the social
    worker providing her opinion as to the truth of the child's
    allegations.          Id., ¶16.        Thus, the social worker's testimony
    went beyond that of observations of indications of coaching and
    deceit she made during her forensic interview with the child
    and, rather, provided a subjective opinion that had the effect
    of    stating    that      the    child     was       truthful.              Id.,    ¶14.          Her
    testimony violated the Haseltine rule because it usurped the
    jury's   role       as   sole    judge     of    credibility            of    the    witness       as
    opposed to merely assisting the jury in that role.                                  It is fairly
    said, then, that while observations of indications of coaching
    and deceit the interviewers make during the course of forensic
    interviews       may      be     received        into        evidence,         statements          of
    subjective opinion about the child's truthfulness are not to be
    received.
    ¶36    Other      jurisdictions,          with        a    rule       similar        to    our
    Haseltine rule, have allowed an expert such as Gainey to testify
    about    observations           made   during          the       course       of     a     forensic
    interview.       E.g., Wembley, 
    712 N.W.2d at
    790–92; Williams, 
    970 So. 2d 727
    , ¶¶15-17; State v. Champagne, 
    305 P.3d 61
    , ¶¶33-36
    (Mont. 2013).            For example, in State v. Kromah, the Supreme
    Court of South Carolina determined that those who are so trained
    may   testify       as    to    "any   personal         observations           regarding          the
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    No.       2015AP366-CR
    child's      behavior          or    demeanor"        during     the    forensic         interview.
    Kromah,      737        S.E.2d       at     500.           An   opinion    from      a     forensic
    interviewer,            though,       may      not    include     the     expression        of   the
    expert's belief that the child was being truthful.                                Id.
    C.    The Admissibility of Gainey's Testimony Regarding
    Indications of Coaching and Dishonesty
    ¶37    We        turn    now       to    the       application     of   the        foregoing
    principles to the particular testimony at issue in this case in
    order        to        determine            whether         Gainey's       testimony          about
    "indications" of coaching and "indications" of dishonesty during
    the cognitive graphic interview violated the Haseltine rule.
    1.    Gainey's Testimony Was Limited to Indications of Coaching
    and Dishonesty and Did Not Provide a Subjective Opinion
    Regarding K.L.'s Truthfulness
    ¶38    As the circuit court found, and as the record bears
    out, Gainey's testimony was limited only to observations of the
    indications            of   coaching        and      dishonesty     she    made      during      the
    cognitive         graphic        interview           she    conducted      with      K.L.        The
    prosecutor first asked, "Was there any indication that [K.L.]
    had been coached in any way during her interview?"                                        (Emphasis
    added).       The prosecutor then asked, "Was there any indication
    that [K.L.] was not being honest during her interview with you?"
    (Emphasis added).                   Importantly, both questions are limited to
    indications.            Neither question asked Gainey about her opinion or
    belief.           By    limiting       it      to    her    observations       of    indications
    during the cognitive graphic interview, Gainey's testimony in
    response to these questions did not provide an opinion about the
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    No.   2015AP366-CR
    truth of K.L.'s allegations.               Rather, Gainey provided an opinion
    about indications she is trained to observe during a cognitive
    graphic interview, an interview technique developed specially
    for dealing with allegations of abuse made by children.                               As
    such, Gainey was not "allowed to convey to the jury . . . her
    own beliefs as to the veracity of the complainant with respect
    to the assault," Jensen, 147 Wis. 2d at 256-57.
    ¶39    Unlike the social worker in Krueger, Gainey did not
    take that extra step that turned her testimony into a subjective
    opinion about K.L.'s veracity, and thus into a violation of the
    Haseltine     rule.         The    State   posed     the   following     question     in
    Krueger, "Based upon that, did you form an opinion as to whether
    or   not    [S.B.]    was    the    product     of   any   suggestibility       or   any
    coaching?"           Krueger,       
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    ,      ¶5    (alteration        in
    original).     The social worker answered:
    I did not get a sense from this child that she
    demonstrated a level of sophistication that [she]
    would be able to maintain some sort of fabricated
    story, for lack of a better way of describing it. She
    did not appear to me to be highly sophisticated so
    that she could maintain that kind of consistency
    throughout unless it was something that she had
    experienced.
    
    Id.
     (emphasis added).              The exchange between the prosecutor and
    Gainey in this case is considerably different.                         The prosecutor
    did not ask Gainey for an opinion of whether K.L.'s testimony
    "was the product" of suggestibility or coaching but, rather,
    asked      Gainey    about        observable    indications       of     coaching     or
    dishonesty.         Further, Gainey did not testify that K.L. could
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    No.    2015AP366-CR
    only maintain the consistency of her allegations "unless it was
    something that [K.L.] had experienced."                            Rather, Gainey provided
    testimony grounded in her training as a forensic interviewer by
    limiting her testimony to the indications she is trained to look
    for and, by testifying to a lack of any indications of coaching
    or dishonesty, Gainey avoided giving an opinion as to whether
    K.L.'s allegations were, in fact, true.
    2.    Gainey's Testimony May Assist the Jury
    ¶40   Gainey's           testimony         may   have       assisted       the     jury    in
    assessing    the      credibility            of   K.L.'s      allegations         and     did    not
    usurp the jury's role as the sole judge of credibility of the
    witness.     The indications a forensic interviewer, like Gainey,
    is trained to look for often fall outside the realm of common
    knowledge.       See, e.g., Jensen, 
    147 Wis. 2d at
    250–52 (allowing
    expert   testimony         about       the    typical      behavior         of    child     sexual
    assault victims); Krueger, 
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶9 (examining expert
    testimony regarding signs of coaching).                             Forensic interviewers
    are    required       to    complete         training         in    using     such       interview
    techniques,      and       given      the     unique     circumstances            present       with
    assessing allegations of abuse made by children, it is, at a
    minimum, possible that the jury could benefit from the testimony
    of a forensic interviewer to help them more accurately assess
    the   credibility          of    a   child's       allegations.             See    Jensen,       
    147 Wis. 2d at 256
     ("While an expert's description of the behavior
    of    victims    of    crime         may    assist      the    jury    to     understand         the
    evidence in the case or to determine a fact in issue, an expert
    may be no more qualified to compare behavior patterns than the
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    No.   2015AP366-CR
    jury.     The jury may be able to draw the requisite inferences
    itself without the assistance of an expert.").                             Accordingly, it
    is   at    least       possible      that     Gainey,         as    a    trained       forensic
    interviewer, was able to assist, as opposed to usurp, the jury
    in its role as the sole judge of credibility of the witnesses.
    As the reasoning of Jensen makes clear, and as we recognize,
    juries    are     free    either       to     make      use    of       such    testimony      or
    disregard it and rely solely on their own collective wisdom and
    experience, in accord with the instructions provided to them by
    the circuit court.            See 
    id.
    ¶41    Based on the foregoing, we conclude Gainey's testimony
    is admissible.
    D.     Maday's Arguments Against Admission
    1.     The Question About Indications of Coaching
    ¶42    Maday        first      argues     that,      even      if     testimony         about
    indications        of     coaching       is     sometimes           admissible,          it     is
    admissible       only    if    it    includes      sufficient           detail       about    what
    indications the interviewer is looking for because only then is
    the jury able to draw its own conclusions about the child's
    allegations.       See 
    id. at 255-56
    .              Because these details were not
    provided    here,       Maday       argues    Gainey's        testimony         violates      the
    Haseltine    rule.         Maday      argues       in   his    brief,          "Untethered      to
    background information about the typical signs of coaching, an
    expert's statement that a child displays no such signs does
    little to assist the jury and runs an unacceptable 'risk that
    the jury could interpret the testimony as an opinion that the
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    No.    2015AP366-CR
    complainant is being truthful about the assault,'"                               Jensen, 147
    Wis. 2d at 256.
    ¶43    Gainey provided background information as context for
    her   testimony      in   regard    to     the    indications         of    coaching          and
    dishonesty during the cognitive graphic interview.                                On direct
    examination,      defense        counsel      introduced        the    concept           of    a
    cognitive     graphic      interview     by      asking    Gainey,         "And    that's       a
    rather      highly     structured        interview,         isn't      it?"           Gainey
    responded, "Yes."          Defense counsel asked next, "Why do you go
    through that kind of structure . . . when interviewing a child?"
    Gainey     answered,      "I'm   specialized,          specially      trained       in    that
    technique to not conduct leading interviews of children.                                       We
    also videotape and do that format of an interview so the video
    can be introduced rather than having the child testify at every
    hearing."
    ¶44    On   cross-examination,             the      prosecutor         expanded          on
    defense     counsel's       questioning         and     asked    Gainey           about       the
    cognitive graphic interview technique that she uses to conduct
    forensic interviews:
    Q.     Can you explain more fully the benefits of
    conducting the cognitive graphic type interviews
    with children?
    A.     The benefit most importantly is to have that
    interview done on video so in a matter where the
    case is taken to the criminal level, the video
    can be submitted versus having the child appear
    and testify at multiple hearings.
    Q.     But the interviewing                technique      you    have        been
    trained on?
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    No.   2015AP366-CR
    A.    Oh, I'm sorry. The technique is to make sure the
    child fully understands the difference between
    truth and lies so they understand if they are
    making up allegations, there are consequences for
    those lies.    Also to make sure that there is
    consistency between what they are telling me or
    have told other people. I'm not sure if there is
    anything else I'm missing from your question.
    Q.    No.   I think that's fully answered my question.
    We did not watch the whole video.        We just
    watched the sort of midsection when you were
    actually discussing the allegations that she had
    made. So at the beginning part of the video that
    we didn't see, you cover the difference between
    truth and lie?
    A.    Yes.
    Q.    And was [K.L.] actually placed under oath?
    A.    She   was.    We   reviewed  what's   called  the
    children's oath. It's, you know, do you promise
    to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
    but the truth, and the child at that point states
    typically yes. In this case she did, and then we
    have them sign their name to the document as
    well.
    Q.    Did in this instance you also cover consequences
    for not telling the truth?
    A.    Correct.   And I believe with this interview she
    said somebody could get into trouble such as
    going   to  jail   when  asked   if  there  [are]
    consequences for when people lie.    And then she
    promised to tell the truth after that.
    Q.    How long have you been conducting these kinds of
    interviews?
    A.    I would say [I] probably was trained at least,
    well, probably going on three years.
    ¶45   Gainey also described how she avoids leading questions
    because she wants the child to introduce information into the
    conversation:
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    Well, for example, where did your dad touch you.
    Okay, so you are indicating that, as the interviewer,
    I know that this man even though you haven't
    identified him [as] the person that touched you, they
    did touch you.    If the child has not offered that
    information, you don't introduce that information.
    Gainey also described how she uses cognitive graphic interview
    techniques to "kind of open the door for children to talk about
    if something has happened to them" by using body diagrams:
    We show them a body diagram. We go over the different
    body parts, have them use the words that they prefer
    to describe the different body parts.    Then we ask
    them has anybody or do you know what parts on your
    body are okay or not okay for other people to touch.
    Then have them identify those body parts, and then we
    simply ask has anybody touched you anywhere on your
    body.   They can indicate yes or no or where those
    things happened.
    ¶46   After describing how she avoids leading questions and
    uses body diagrams, Gainey further testified:
    Q.    And you conduct the interview that way because it
    makes the answers more reliable?
    A.    Yes.
    Q.    Have you had experiences in the past where
    children have been essentially prompted by an
    adult to give a certain type of answer during
    this interview?
    A.    Yes.
    Q.    And does that become apparent when you use the
    proper interview techniques?
    A.    Yes.
    Q.    So using these interview techniques is a way to
    insure that a child who has been coached does not
    continue with the false allegations during the
    interview?
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    No.    2015AP366-CR
    A.        Yes.
    ¶47       In light of the testimony described above, we conclude
    Gainey     did     provide    a    sufficient      contextual         basis        to   testify
    about the indications she observed or, more to the point, did
    not observe during the course of her cognitive graphic interview
    with K.L.         Jensen requires Gainey to provide sufficient detail
    about      what    she   is       trained    to    look       for,     see     Jensen,        
    147 Wis. 2d at 255
    , and Gainey did so.                      Gainey discussed the truth-
    lie discussion she engaged in.                     She described the open-ended
    questions she used, and she described how she tried to have K.L.
    describe the assaults in K.L.'s own words.
    2.     The Question About Indications of Dishonesty
    ¶48       Second, Maday argues that even if Gainey is allowed to
    testify about indications of coaching, Gainey should never have
    been allowed to testify about indications that K.L. "was not
    being honest."
    ¶49       Viewed in isolation, a question about indications of
    whether     a     witness    was    "being   honest"          would    seem        to   go   more
    directly to truthfulness than a question about indications of
    coaching.         Here, though, we are not viewing Gainey's testimony
    in   isolation,        but    rather,   we       view    it    in     the    context         of   a
    cognitive graphic interview.                 Gainey was not asked to, and in
    fact did not, opine about the veracity of another witness's
    testimony.         Rather, Gainey was asked about her observations of
    indications of dishonesty during a cognitive graphic interview.
    We   honor       the   principle     that    a    jury     normally         needs       no   help
    assessing whether a witness is telling the truth.                                  However, we
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    No.   2015AP366-CR
    must also recognize the development of specialized, technical
    interview methods for investigating allegations of child sexual
    abuse as well as the case law that                           gives them life in the
    courtroom.           See, e.g., 
    Tenn. Code Ann. § 24-7-123
     (Supp. 2016)
    (allowing the use of a videotaped forensic interview as evidence
    if certain conditions are met); Michael H., 970 A.2d at 116
    (using a forensic interview to investigate allegations of child
    sexual abuse); Hilton, 
    764 So. 2d 1027
    , ¶20 (using a forensic
    interview at the Jefferson Parish Children's Advocacy Center as
    part       of   an    investigation         into       allegations         of    child       sexual
    abuse); Wembley, 
    712 N.W.2d at 790-92
     (allowing testimony of a
    forensic interview conducted at CornerHouse in a child sexual
    abuse case); Champagne, 
    305 P.3d 61
    , ¶36 ("The District Court
    properly allowed Matkin to testify about a matter to which she
    had    training            and     experience:         whether    a        victim      had     been
    coached."); Kromah, 
    737 S.E.2d 490
     (outlining the parameters for
    admitting testimony of a forensic interview called the "Rapport,
    Anatomy, Touch, Abuse Scenario, and Closure" method); Douglas,
    
    671 S.E.2d 606
     (evaluating testimony from a forensic interviewer
    in     a    case       involving          child    sexual     abuse);           Krueger,        
    314 Wis. 2d 605
     (using a forensic interview called the "Step Wise"
    method to investigate allegations of child sexual abuse); see
    also       Victor      I.        Vieth,   The     Forensic    Interviewer             at     Trial:
    Guidelines           for     the     Admission     and    Scope       of     Expert        Witness
    Testimony Concerning an Investigative Interview in a Case of
    Child Abuse, 
    36 Wm. Mitchell L. Rev. 186
     (2009).
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    No.   2015AP366-CR
    ¶50     Any concerns we may have that Gainey was commenting on
    K.L.'s veracity were addressed during Gainey's testimony in that
    Gainey was clear that a cognitive graphic interview helps only
    to increase the reliability of allegations from children.                          When
    the prosecutor asked, "And you conduct the interview that way
    because it makes the answers more reliable," Gainey answered,
    "Yes."        Of at least equal importance, Gainey also answered,
    "True," in response to defense counsel's question asking, "There
    is no way for you when conducting an interview to decide to know
    whether or not previous interviews or questioning has influenced
    the child's memory."          Gainey never implied, much less said, that
    K.L. was telling the truth.            Rather, her testimony was expressly
    limited both as to scope (the cognitive graphic interview) as
    well     as    to   the     fact   that,    based      upon     her    training     and
    experience, she did not see any indications of dishonesty, all
    of which the jury was free to either use for assistance or
    disregard entirely.
    ¶51     Therefore,     Gainey's     testimony     does    not    violate     the
    Haseltine rule because her testimony was limited to commenting
    on observations of indications she made during her cognitive
    graphic       interview     with   K.L.    and   her    testimony      included     the
    foundation of her training and experience.
    E.     The Circuit Court's Instructions
    ¶52     The circuit court instructed the jury on two occasions
    that it, the jury, was the sole judge of credibility of the
    witnesses.          We    generally   assume     that    the    jury    follows     its
    instructions.            E.g., State v. Anthony, 
    2015 WI 20
    , ¶89, 361
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    No.    2015AP366-CR
    Wis. 2d 116,         
    860 N.W.2d 10
    .           With     no        reason    to     set     this
    assumption aside, we assume here that the jury fulfilled its
    role    as    the        sole    judge      of     credibility           and     determined       the
    credibility         of    K.L.'s      testimony         for   itself.            While    Gainey's
    testimony is admissible, the circuit court's proper instruction
    of    the    jury    helps       us    in    reaching        our    conclusion         because     it
    provides      additional          assurance        that      Gainey       did    not    usurp     the
    jury's role as the sole judge of credibility of the witnesses.
    F.     Maday's Claim of Ineffective Assistance of Counsel
    ¶53    Maday claims his counsel was ineffective for failing
    to object to Gainey's testimony and for withdrawing an objection
    to the introduction of evidence of Maday's job-related training
    in weapons and use of force.                     We address each claim in turn, and
    ultimately,         we      conclude          that       neither         claim      results        in
    ineffective assistance of counsel.
    1.     The Strickland Test
    ¶54    Under        the     Sixth      Amendment            of    the     United        States
    Constitution         and        Article       I,     Section        7     of     the     Wisconsin
    Constitution, a criminal defendant has the constitutional right
    "to    the     effective           assistance           of    counsel,"          Strickland        v.
    Washington,         
    466 U.S. 668
    ,      686     (1984)         (quoting        McMann     v.
    Richardson, 
    397 U.S. 759
    , 771 n.14 (1970)).                                    Thus, a criminal
    defendant is denied his constitutional rights when he or she
    receives      ineffective             assistance        of    counsel.            The     test     to
    determine ineffective assistance of counsel is a two-prong test
    commonly      known        as     the       "Strickland        test."            Erickson,        
    227 Wis. 2d at 768
    .            Under the first prong, the defendant must show
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    No.    2015AP366-CR
    that    counsel's      performance         was   deficient.        
    Id.
              Here,    the
    question for the court is whether counsel's performance fell
    below an objective standard of reasonableness.                         State v. Thiel,
    
    2003 WI 111
    , ¶19, 
    264 Wis. 2d 571
    , 
    665 N.W.2d 305
    .                              Under the
    second prong, the defendant must show that he was prejudiced by
    counsel's deficient performance.                 Erickson, 
    227 Wis. 2d at 768
    .
    Here,    the    question     for     the    court     is     whether     the     deficient
    performance undermines confidence in the outcome.                             
    Id.
     (quoting
    Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 694
    ).                Both prongs must be satisfied in
    order to find ineffective assistance of counsel.                       Id.
    2.    Counsel's Failure to Object to Gainey's Testimony Is Not
    Ineffective Assistance of Counsel
    ¶55     It follows that Maday's counsel was not deficient for
    failing to object to Gainey's testimony because we hold that her
    testimony is admissible.             State v. Johnson, 
    2004 WI 94
    , ¶24, 
    273 Wis. 2d 626
    , 
    681 N.W.2d 901
    .                 Counsel's performance cannot be
    considered       deficient      for    failing        to     object      to     admissible
    evidence.        See    State   v.    Maloney,        
    2005 WI 74
    ,    ¶¶25-30,       
    281 Wis. 2d 595
    , 
    698 N.W.2d 583
    .                Even though the admissibility of
    Gainey's     testimony     at   the    time      of   the     trial    may      have    been
    unclear, this does not mean counsel was required to object to
    Gainey's testimony.          
    Id.
     (discussing that counsel has no duty to
    object to every possible violation, particularly when the state
    of the law is unsettled or unclear).                    In fact, it is axiomatic
    that "[c]ounsel is not required to object and argue a point of
    law that is unsettled."            Id., ¶28 (quoting State v. McMahon, 
    186 Wis. 2d 68
    , 84, 
    519 N.W.2d 621
     (Ct. App. 1994)).
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    No.    2015AP366-CR
    ¶56     In sum, Maday did not receive ineffective assistance
    of    counsel    because       counsel's     performance         was    not       deficient.
    There is no need to analyze prejudice because his claim for
    ineffective assistance of counsel cannot satisfy both prongs.
    Id., ¶14 ("We need not address both components of the inquiry if
    the defendant makes an insufficient showing on one.").
    3.    Counsel's Withdrawn Objection to the Training Evidence Is
    Not Ineffective Assistance of Counsel
    ¶57 In        addition    to    claiming       ineffective           assistance      of
    counsel based on his counsel's failure to object to Gainey's
    testimony,       Maday     claims      his        counsel      was     ineffective         for
    withdrawing an objection to the introduction of evidence of his
    job-related      training       in    weapons      and   use    of     force.         Because
    neither party disputes that this evidence is irrelevant, we will
    assume without deciding that counsel's performance was deficient
    when he withdrew his objection to introduction of the evidence.
    See    State    v.    Smith,    
    207 Wis. 2d 258
    ,         274–75,     
    558 N.W.2d 379
    (1997).       Thus, the first prong is assumed to be satisfied, and
    we move to the second prong to look for prejudice.
    ¶58 When       determining       if   counsel's         deficiency         undermines
    confidence in the outcome of the trial and amounts to prejudice,
    "a    court    hearing    an    ineffectiveness          claim       must    consider      the
    totality of the evidence before the judge or jury."                               Strickland,
    
    466 U.S. at 695
    .
    ¶59 The totality of the evidence before the jury in this
    case shows no reason why our confidence in the outcome should be
    undermined.          Before     the    training      evidence        even     entered      the
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    courtroom, K.L. testified that she did not report the sexual
    assaults earlier because she was afraid of Maday and because she
    knew he had weapons.             Further, the jury's perception of Maday
    likely   did     not    change    by    hearing      testimony        of    his     training
    because,    as    the    circuit       court      noted,    it   is   likely        commonly
    assumed that someone of Maday's position, i.e., a correctional
    officer, has training in weapons and use of force.                               Thus, there
    is no prejudice here, and Maday cannot meet the second prong.
    We are not persuaded that admitting evidence of Maday's training
    in weapons and use of force undermines confidence in the outcome
    given the totality of the evidence before the jury.
    ¶60 In short, Maday cannot show he received ineffective
    assistance of counsel.           As to his first claim, we conclude there
    is no deficient performance, and as to his second claim, we
    conclude there is no prejudice.
    IV.        CONCLUSION
    ¶61     We hold that Gainey's testimony about the absence of
    indications during the cognitive graphic interview either that
    K.L. had been coached or that K.L. was being dishonest does not
    violate the Haseltine rule, and is therefore admissible.                               We so
    hold for three reasons.            First, Gainey's testimony was limited
    to her observations of indications of coaching and dishonesty.
    Second, by limiting her testimony to indications of coaching and
    dishonesty, Gainey did not provide a subjective opinion as to
    K.L.'s truthfulness.         Third, Gainey's testimony may assist the
    jury.      Accordingly, we conclude that Maday's counsel was not
    ineffective      for     failing       to      object      to    Gainey's         testimony.
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    Counsel's    performance     was     not   deficient      because     Gainey's
    testimony is admissible.
    ¶62     Furthermore,     we    conclude     Maday's   counsel     was     not
    ineffective for withdrawing his objection to the introduction of
    evidence of Maday's job-related training in the use of weapons
    and the use of force because Maday was not prejudiced by that
    testimony.
    By    the   Court.—The    decision     of   the   court   of    appeals    is
    reversed.
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    ¶63   REBECCA GRASSL BRADLEY, J.                     (concurring).        I join the
    majority opinion's reversal of the decision of the court of
    appeals and also join its ineffective assistance analysis in
    part F.      I write separately for two reasons:                              (1) this case
    should have been analyzed only under the ineffective assistance
    test, and (2) the third factor the majority uses to support its
    Haseltine analysis signals a change in the law where none was
    intended.
    I
    ¶64   Maday's         issues      should       be    reviewed      only      under     an
    ineffective      assistance         of    counsel       analysis      because       his     trial
    counsel:     (1) failed to object when the prosecutor asked Gainey
    the    two   questions        Maday       argues       violate       Haseltine,       and    (2)
    withdrew an objection to the questions on Maday's use of weapons
    and force training.                See State v. Carprue, 
    2004 WI 111
    , 
    274 Wis. 2d 656
    , ¶¶36-47, 
    683 N.W.2d 31
     ("[A]bsence of any objection
    warrants     that       we   follow       'the       normal    procedure       in     criminal
    cases,'"     which      is    to   address       the       alleged    error     "within      the
    rubric of the ineffective assistance of counsel." (quoted and
    cited sources omitted)); see also Kimmelman v. Morrison, 
    477 U.S. 365
    , 374-75 (1986) (in absence of objection, error should
    be    analyzed   under        ineffective-assistance-of-counsel                     standards,
    even when error is of constitutional dimension).                               The majority
    analyzed the Haseltine issue on the merits, independently from
    an ineffective assistance review, and after deciding the merits
    of    the    Haseltine        issue,       proceeded          to     analyze     ineffective
    assistance.         I    disagree        with    this      approach     for    many    of    the
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    reasons this court expressed in Carprue.                      It also unnecessarily
    lengthens the opinion and may lead to problematic consequences.
    In particular, this court's use of an altered standard of review
    in unobjected-to error cases could create a lack of certainty
    for the bench and bar as to when a case like Maday's will be
    limited to ineffective assistance review and when an unobjected-
    to error will be decided on the merits.                       The majority opinion's
    independent Haseltine analysis worked here because it concluded
    there    was    no    Haseltine     violation.          If    the     majority     opinion
    concluded Haseltine was violated, what would have been the next
    step?     Under       the   proper       ineffective     assistance          review,     our
    analysis would proceed to the second prong of the ineffective
    assistance test.
    ¶65        Although this court may in limited situations overlook
    a forfeited or waived issue, see State v. Long, 
    2009 WI 36
    , ¶44,
    
    317 Wis. 2d 92
    , 
    765 N.W.2d 557
     (this court may address a waived
    issue    in      certain       circumstances);          see     also        Carprue,     
    274 Wis. 2d 656
    ,         ¶¶36-39     (discussing       reasons      why    this      court   is
    reluctant to overlook non-objected-to error in criminal cases),
    the majority does not explain why it did not follow this court's
    normal    procedure         of    limiting        our    review        to     ineffective
    assistance.
    ¶66        Our    review     under     the    ineffective         assistance       test
    requires a defendant to show:                    (1) deficient performance; and
    (2) prejudice.         See Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
    , 687
    (1984); State v. Jenkins, 
    2014 WI 59
    , 
    355 Wis. 2d 180
    , ¶¶35-37,
    
    848 N.W.2d 786
    .         To prove deficient performance, Maday must show
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    specific acts or omissions by trial counsel that are "outside
    the wide range of professionally competent assistance."                           See
    Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 690
    .                To prove prejudice, Maday must
    demonstrate his trial counsel's errors were so serious that he
    was deprived of a fair trial and a reliable outcome.                    See 
    id. at 687
    .     To satisfy the Strickland prejudice prong, Maday "must
    show    that    there   is    a    reasonable      probability      that,   but   for
    counsel's unprofessional errors, the result of the proceeding
    would    have    been   different.          A    reasonable   probability      is   a
    probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the outcome."
    See 
    id. at 697
    .         We need not address both deficient performance
    and prejudice if Maday fails to prove either one.                       See 
    id. at 697
    .     This     court's     review   of       ineffective   assistance     claims
    presents mixed questions of law and fact:                (1) findings of facts
    will not be disturbed unless clearly erroneous, and (2) the
    legal    conclusions         "of    whether       counsel's      performance      was
    deficient and prejudicial to the defense are questions of law
    which this court reviews independently."                 State v. Johnson, 
    153 Wis. 2d 121
    , 127-28, 
    449 N.W.2d 845
     (1990).
    ¶67     The majority opinion followed our normal procedure in
    reviewing Maday's weapons-training claim by analyzing that claim
    only under ineffective assistance.                 As noted, I join that part
    of the majority's opinion. My analysis focuses on the alleged
    ineffective assistance based on a violation of Haseltine.                           I
    conclude Maday failed to establish ineffective assistance here
    because his trial counsel's decision to withhold objections to
    the two questions asked of Gainey during cross-examination was
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    not     outside        the     wide       range          of    professionally           competent
    assistance and therefore not deficient.                            This was not deficient
    performance because, as the majority explains at great length,1
    the answers did not cross the Haseltine line.                                     The Haseltine
    rule       provides:         "No    witness,        expert       or     otherwise       should    be
    permitted        to    give        an     opinion         that     another        mentally       and
    physically competent witness is telling the truth."                                      State v.
    Haseltine, 
    120 Wis. 2d 92
    , 96, 
    352 N.W.2d 673
     (Ct. App. 1984).
    Asking       Gainey    whether          she   saw        any     indications,       during       the
    cognitive graphic interview of K.L., that K.L. had been coached
    or was not being honest did not elicit a subjective opinion that
    K.L. was telling the truth or that the sexual assault occurred.
    Gainey did not convey to the jury that she personally believed
    K.L.'s testimony or that Maday committed the sexual assaults.
    Gainey's testimony was limited to her observations that during
    the    cognitive       graphic          interview,        she     saw    no      indications      of
    coaching or suggestion or dishonesty.                             This testimony does not
    cross      the   Haseltine         line    and      is    permissible.            See    State    v.
    Krueger, 
    2008 WI App 162
    , ¶14, 
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , 
    762 N.W.2d 114
    (explaining       that       precedent        and    logic       both    support        permitting
    "expert testimony on typical signs of whether a child has been
    coached or evidences suggestibility and whether the complainant
    child exhibits such signs").                     Because the failure to object was
    1
    I agree with much of the majority's analysis on the
    cognitive graphic interview; I also agree with the reasons the
    majority opinion sets forth in ¶¶39-40 as to why Gainey's
    testimony did not violate Haseltine.     See State v. Haseltine,
    
    120 Wis. 2d 92
    , 96, 
    352 N.W.2d 673
     (Ct. App. 1984).
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    not    deficient,         it     is    not     necessary    to    analyze       whether      the
    failure to object prejudiced Maday.
    II
    ¶68        My    second        concern    with     the     majority's         Haseltine
    analysis          involves     the     third     factor    it    uses     to    support      its
    independent            Haseltine       analysis:        "Third,     testimony,        such    as
    Gainey's,         may    assist       the    jury."      Majority       op.    ¶3;   see   also
    majority op. ¶61.              I have no doubt this is true.                  Testimony like
    Gainey's will assist the jury.                       However, neither party raised a
    concern under 
    Wis. Stat. § 907.022
     or argued the testimony would
    not assist the jury.
    ¶69        Maday raised the issue of whether his counsel should
    have       objected      on    the     basis    that    Gainey's    testimony        violated
    Haseltine—not whether Gainey's testimony satisfied 
    Wis. Stat. § 907.02
    .          My concern is that the majority's use of the "assist
    the jury" factor may suggest to the bench and bar that this
    court       has    changed       the    Haseltine       test.      We    have     not.       The
    2
    Wisconsin Stat. § 907.02(1) limits the admission of expert
    testimony:
    If   scientific,   technical,   or  other   specialized
    knowledge will assist the trier of fact to understand
    the evidence or to determine a fact in issue, a
    witness qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill,
    experience,   training,   or  education,  may   testify
    thereto in the form of an opinion or otherwise, if the
    testimony is based upon sufficient facts or data, the
    testimony is the product of reliable principles and
    methods, and the witness has applied the principles
    and methods reliably to the facts of the case.
    (Emphasis added.)
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    Haseltine test remains the same.      The majority's use of the
    "assist the jury" factor was not intended as a stand-alone,
    independent factor.   Rather, the majority declares that Gainey's
    testimony did not violate Haseltine because all three of the
    factors it lists in ¶¶3 and 61 are present here.3
    ¶70   For these reasons, I respectfully concur.
    3
    Although this court discussed 
    Wis. Stat. § 907.02
     (1985-
    86) in State v. Jensen, 
    147 Wis. 2d 240
    , 
    432 N.W.2d 913
     (1988),
    it did so in a very different context. The challenged testimony
    involved a school guidance counselor testifying that the
    victim's reactive behavior was consistent with victims of sexual
    abuse.   
    Id. at 248-49
    .  The defense used the reactive behavior
    to argue the complainant fabricated the sexual assaults. 
    Id. at 251-52
    .   The State used the testimony to counter that defense,
    suggesting the reactive behavior was caused by sexual assault.
    
    Id. at 252
    .     This court held, in that context, "an expert
    witness may be asked to describe the behavior of the complainant
    and then to describe that of victims of the same type of crime,
    if the testimony helps the jury understand a complainant's
    reactive behavior." 
    Id. at 257
    . Maday's case does not present
    the same context.
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    ¶71    ANN WALSH BRADLEY, J.                      (dissenting).           The State of
    Wisconsin seeks review of an unpublished per curium decision of
    the court of appeals that reversed the conviction of Stanley
    Maday,      granting       him    a        new    trial.         The    court       of       appeals
    determined that the State violated what heretofore has been a
    rule in Wisconsin held sacrosanct——under no circumstances may an
    expert      witness     opine         on     whether         another    witness       is       being
    truthful.
    ¶72    At issue is whether a social worker's expert testimony
    at trial impermissibly vouched for the credibility of a child
    witness.      Until today, the fundamental premise that the jury is
    "the lie detector in the courtroom" has properly limited the
    admissibility         of     expert          testimony          regarding       a        witness's
    credibility.           State      v.       Haseltine,         
    120 Wis. 2d 92
    ,             96,   
    352 N.W.2d 673
     (1984) (citing United States v. Barnard, 
    490 F.2d 907
    , 912 (9th Cir. 1973)).
    ¶73    However,        in        this        case       the      majority          concludes
    otherwise.        It       determines            that   Haseltine       permits          a    social
    worker's expert testimony that she saw no indication that the
    witness was dishonest during her interview.                                Additionally it
    puts its imprimatur on testimony that she saw no indication that
    the     witness   had       been       coached          to    make     false     allegations.
    Majority op., ¶3.
    ¶74    In reaching its conclusion, the majority misconstrues
    Wisconsin      precedent,         distorting            and     expanding       the          limited
    exceptions allowing for expert testimony until they swallow the
    rule.    As a result, it allows social science to usurp the jury's
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    role as the lie detector in the courtroom.                             The majority further
    errs in reconfiguring the expert's testimony by creating out of
    whole cloth the necessary foundational facts, which even the
    State concedes are nonexistent in this record.
    ¶75     Contrary to the majority, I conclude that the social
    worker's      expert          testimony          that    she    saw    no   indications      of
    dishonesty      crossed              the     line       drawn     by     Haseltine.           It
    impermissibly vouched for the credibility of the child witness.
    ¶76     Similarly, I determine that the testimony addressing
    indications      of       coaching          was        impermissible.           Although    our
    precedent establishes that coaching testimony may fall within a
    Haseltine      exception             if     the     proper      factual        foundation     is
    established, no such foundation exists in this record.
    ¶77     Because I further conclude that Maday's trial counsel
    was ineffective by failing to object to this vouching testimony,
    I    would     affirm          the     court       of     appeals.          Accordingly,       I
    respectfully dissent.
    I
    ¶78     From     the       outset,          the    majority       misconstrues       well-
    established Wisconsin precedent, distorting and expanding the
    limited      exceptions         allowing          for    expert   testimony        until    they
    swallow the rule.
    ¶79     Thus,       I    begin        as    the    majority       should    have,     with
    Haseltine's rule that "[n]o witness, expert or otherwise, should
    be   permitted       to       give     an    opinion       that   another        mentally   and
    physically competent witness is telling the truth."                                 Haseltine,
    
    120 Wis. 2d at 96
    .
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    ¶80      Because the majority opinion substantially alters the
    limited exceptions permitting expert testimony, I pause to set
    those forth here.             Haseltine determined that in only limited
    circumstances will expert testimony aid a jury.                            
    Id. at 96-97
    .
    For example, the Haseltine court explained that an incest victim
    may exhibit behaviors, such as not immediately reporting the
    incest    or    recanting       allegations,      which       might    lead     jurors   to
    believe that the victim is not telling the truth.                              
    Id. at 97
    .
    It reasoned that an expert "could explain that such behavior is
    common among incest victims as a result of guilt, confusion, and
    a reluctance to accuse a parent."                
    Id. at 97
    .
    ¶81      In     State     v.    Jensen,     
    147 Wis. 2d 240
    ,          244,     
    432 N.W.2d 913
     (1998), this court permitted a guidance counselor to
    testify regarding specific changes in the victim's behavior at
    school,     such      as   acting     out   in   class    and    noncompliance         with
    homework.       After addressing the specific behaviors exhibited by
    children who had been sexually abused, the guidance counselor
    testified that the victim's behavior was consistent with the
    behavior of child sexual abuse victims.                   Id. at 246-48.
    ¶82      The     Jensen    court      concluded         that    the     counselor's
    testimony       was        permissible      because      "the        expert      witness's
    knowledge and experience might have assisted the jury in this
    case."      Id. at 246.              It determined that "the reactions and
    behavior of sexually abused children are not ordinarily matters
    of   common     knowledge       and    experience       and    that    the     jury    might
    therefore be aided by the witness's specialized knowledge in
    this area."          Id.
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    ¶83     Thus,      Jensen     explained         that     "an    expert       opinion   is
    useful for disabusing the jury of common misconceptions about
    the behavior of sexual assault victims."                              Id. at 251.        Jensen
    was explicit, however,                that "the expert witness must not be
    allowed to convey to the jury his or her own beliefs as to the
    veracity of the complainant with respect to the assault."                                     Id.
    at 256-57.
    ¶84     More       recently,      in    State     v.     Krueger,      the    court    of
    appeals permitted "expert testimony on typical signs of whether
    a child has been coached or evidences suggestibility and whether
    the complainant child exhibits such signs."                              
    2008 WI App 162
    ,
    ¶14,     
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    ,        
    762 N.W.2d 114
    .             The    Krueger    court
    observed       that      testimony       about    a    child's       consistency,       coupled
    with   testimony          regarding      the     behavior       of    like-aged      children,
    could help the jury understand the interview and rebut a defense
    theory of coaching or suggestion.                        Id., ¶15.            Thus, Krueger
    explained that "[s]igns of coaching or suggestion could fall
    into the realm of knowledge that is outside that of a lay-person
    jury."    Id.
    ¶85     The Krueger court provided specific guidance regarding
    the    bounds       of    permissible         testimony.         Appropriate         testimony
    addresses "objective signs or behavior indicative of whether the
    child's rendition is of the child's own making——whether truthful
    or not."          Id., ¶15 n.10.               Krueger further detailed that in
    addition       to     patterns      of    consistency,          examples       of    objective
    behaviors         include     the     child's         ability    to     supply      peripheral
    details      of     the    alleged       incident,       the    use     of    language    that
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    reflects      the    word   usage      of     an     adult,         or    the     reporting      of
    information not appropriate for the developmental level of the
    child.    Id.
    ¶86    The     majority        misconstrues            Wisconsin           precedent       by
    ignoring that Krueger, and not Jensen, addressed the type of
    coaching testimony at issue in this case.                                Krueger makes clear
    that an expert must testify to objective signs or behaviors of
    coaching      before    offering       an     opinion          as    to    whether       a    child
    witness exhibited those signs or behaviors.                                  Id.        Yet, this
    requirement is absent from the majority opinion, which contends
    that under Jensen an expert's qualifications provide sufficient
    foundation for her testimony.
    ¶87    Discussing Jensen, the majority asserts that it simply
    "requires [the social worker] to provide sufficient detail about
    what   she    is     trained     to    look        for, . . . and            [she]      did     so."
    Majority op., ¶47 (citing Jensen, 
    147 Wis. 2d at 255
    ).                                       In its
    analysis,      the     majority       quotes       at     length         from     the    expert's
    testimony regarding her training and experience in conducting
    this   type     of   interview.         Majority          op.,       ¶¶44-46.           Thus,    the
    majority      concludes        that     the        social       worker           "provide[d]      a
    sufficient contextual basis to testify about the indications she
    observed     or,     more   to   the    point,          did    not       observe     during     the
    course of her cognitive graphic interview with K.L."                                     Majority
    op., ¶47.
    ¶88    The    majority     distorts          the       Jensen      exception       because
    Jensen does not require that an expert testify only about the
    methods she uses in interviewing a child witness or her training
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    in using these methods before offering a conclusion.      A social
    worker's interview methods, as well as training in using these
    methods, certainly pertain to her qualifications as an expert.
    However, whether the social worker was properly qualified as an
    expert witness is not at issue here.1    What is in dispute is
    1
    At the outset of this dissent I observe that we are
    reviewing an unpublished per curium opinion of the court of
    appeals. In accepting review of such opinions, this court runs
    the risk of unwittingly changing or developing the law in
    unintended ways. Such appears to be the case here.
    Without citing to Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharm., Inc., 
    509 U.S. 579
     (1993), the majority opinion decides that the social
    worker in this case is a qualified expert witness based on the
    forensic interview technique she used in eliciting testimony
    from the child witness. According to the majority, the forensic
    interview techniques used today are accepted by experts and
    courts to reliably test the accuracy of a child's allegations of
    sexual assault. See, e.g., majority op., ¶¶28, 29, 49, 50.
    However, no case cited by the majority in its lengthy
    opinion has even addressed, much less recognized as reliable,
    the "cognitive graphic interview" technique. The only time that
    the "cognitive graphic interview" technique appears in Wisconsin
    jurisprudence is over 14 years ago in a case where the
    conviction was reversed because the circuit court precluded the
    defense from challenging the reliability of the technique.
    State v. St. George, 
    2002 WI 50
    , 
    252 Wis. 2d 499
    , 
    643 N.W.2d 777
    .
    Undaunted by this reality, the majority sua sponte cloaks
    this technique with the patina of reliability and asserts that
    "we must [] recognize the development of specialized, technical
    interview methods for investigating allegations of child sexual
    abuse as well as the case law that gives them life in the
    courtroom." Majority op., ¶49.
    What supplemental information does the majority provide to
    support its assertion that this is a reliable standard? None.
    (continued)
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    whether      the   expert's    testimony       impermissibly     vouched    for     the
    credibility of the child witness.
    ¶89    Haseltine, Jensen and Krueger, do not allow a social
    worker to offer an opinion as to whether a witness showed signs
    of dishonesty.         Instead, our precedent permits an expert to
    testify      about    the    behaviors     of    victims   of     abuse     and    the
    objective signs or behaviors of coaching.                  An expert may offer
    an opinion regarding whether a witness showed signs of coaching
    only   after       providing   a   foundation       by   testifying       about    the
    objective signs or behaviors of coaching and whether a witness
    exhibited those signs.          Krueger, 
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶15 n.10.
    ¶90    Under    the    majority's       expansion   of    the    law,      every
    qualified expert could offer a conclusion regarding whether a
    witness showed signs of dishonesty or coaching provided that she
    All we know from the social worker's testimony is that in
    addition to using non-leading questions and a body diagram, the
    technique consists of the following three component parts: (1)
    make sure the child understands the difference between truth and
    lies, and the consequences of a lie; (2) assess the consistency
    in the child's story; and (3) administer an oath to the child to
    tell the truth.    There is nothing special or scientific about
    these component parts (As a parent of four children I had
    several occasions to use this approach, although I usually did
    not administer an oath.).
    Whether a witness qualifies as an expert under the Daubert
    standard is engendering substantial debate and litigation in
    this state.     However, it is not at issue in this case.
    Nevertheless, the majority reaches out——without benefit of
    briefs or oral argument——to analyze and decide whether this
    witness, employing the "cognitive graphic interview" technique,
    is a qualified expert witness. In determining that she is, the
    majority appears to be implicitly deciding that her testimony
    meets the Daubert standard.
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    was properly qualified as a witness.                    The Haseltine rule, which
    the    majority    purports        to   follow,      would     be   swallowed      by    the
    exceptions.
    II
    ¶91   I turn next to address whether the testimony in this
    case   is    permissible      under     the       Haseltine    rule    or    one    of   the
    limited exceptions set forth in Haseltine, Jensen and Krueger.
    The expert testified that during the interview there was                                  no
    indication     that    the    witness         was    dishonest.             Additionally,
    without any foundational testimony regarding the objective signs
    or behaviors of coaching, the expert confirmed that there was no
    "indication     that   [the        witness]       had   been    coached      in    any   way
    during her interview."             I address each in turn.
    A
    ¶92   In determining the expert could testify that she saw
    no indication of dishonesty, the majority violates the essential
    Haseltine rule and allows purported social science to usurp the
    jury's role as the lie detector in the courtroom.
    ¶93   The   majority         acknowledges        that    when      "[v]iewed       in
    isolation, a question about indications of whether a witness was
    'being honest' would seem to go more directly to truthfulness
    than a question about indications of coaching."                           Majority op.,
    ¶49.    However, the majority excuses this testimony by reasoning
    that "[h]ere, though, we are not viewing Gainey's testimony in
    insolation, but rather, we view it in the context of a cognitive
    graphic interview."          
    Id.
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    ¶94     It   reasons       that    "[a]ny       concerns       we     may   have     that
    Gainey was commenting on K.L.'s veracity were addressed during
    Gainey's testimony in that Gainey was clear that a 'cognitive
    graphic     interview'        technique          helps     only     to     increase       the
    reliability of allegations from children."                        Id., ¶50.      According
    to the majority, "[t]he forensic interview techniques used today
    are accepted among experts and courts as effective tools for
    investigating        child    sexual      assault        allegations      because       these
    methods minimize the risk of false allegations of abuse that
    result from a child's vulnerability to suggestion and coaching."
    Id., ¶28.
    ¶95     There is no basis for the flexibility the majority
    finds in the law.            Wisconsin precedent is clear and unambiguous
    that "[u]nder no circumstances may the expert venture an opinion
    about whether the subject is being truthful or whether the crime
    occurred."       7    Daniel     D.    Blinka,       Wisconsin       Practice      Series:
    Wisconsin Evidence § 608.3, at 489-90 (3rd ed. 2008); see also
    Haseltine,    
    120 Wis. 2d at 96
    ;    Jensen,       
    147 Wis. 2d at 256-57
    ;
    Krueger, 
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶19; State v. Romero, 
    147 Wis. 2d 264
    ,
    278, 
    432 N.W.2d 899
     (1988).
    ¶96     The law does not place as much faith in interview
    techniques    as      does    the     majority.           Social     science,      as     the
    majority     acknowledges,          may      be     deemed       reliable       today     and
    unreliable in the future.             See majority op., ¶27.
    ¶97     Indeed,      experts       and        commentators      agree       that     "the
    fields of [mind sciences] have not developed to a point where
    these     practitioners        are     likely        to     be     better       judges     of
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    truthfulness than a lay jury."                   7 Daniel D. Blinka, Wisconsin
    Practice       Series:          Wisconsin     Evidence         § 608.3,      at     485.
    Consequently, the law of evidence "remains justifiably skeptical
    of    the   role      of    the     various      mind    sciences      in    assessing
    credibility, as best seen in the blanket exclusion of polygraph
    evidence."      Id. at 485-86.
    ¶98   This court has recognized that a psychiatrist has "no
    specialized ability to assess the truthfulness of [a witness's]
    account."      State v. Kleser, 
    2010 WI 88
    , ¶105, 
    328 Wis. 2d 42
    ,
    
    786 N.W.2d 144
     (citing State v. Moran, 
    728 P.2d 248
    , 255 (Ariz.
    1986) (citing People v. Bledsoe, 
    681 P.2d 291
    , 300 (Cal. 1984)
    ("Psychologists and psychiatrists are not, and do not claim to
    be, experts at discerning the truth.                    Psychiatrists are trained
    to accept facts provided by their patients, not to act as judges
    of    patients'       credibility.")).            As    Haseltine      cautioned,        an
    expert's    opinion        on    truthfulness     provides      only    an   "aura       of
    scientific reliability," which must not replace the jury as the
    lie detector in the courtroom.              See 
    120 Wis. 2d at 95
    .
    ¶99   Accordingly, it the proper role of the jury, and not
    an expert witness, to determine whether a witness is truthful.
    
    Id. at 96
    .          The jury in this case had the opportunity to watch
    the    child    witness's         videotaped      testimony      and      observe    her
    testimony      at    trial.        By   concluding      that    the    context      of    a
    "cognitive graphic interview" permits an expert to testify about
    a witness's truthfulness, the majority allows social science to
    usurp the jury's role as lie detector in the courtroom.
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    ¶100 The       majority         repeatedly        contends,          however,          that
    because the expert did not use the word "opinion," and instead
    said that she saw no "indications" of dishonesty, her testimony
    will aid the jury.            It errs because as this court has explained,
    the vouching rule does not become "inapplicable simply because a
    witness does not use specific words such as 'I believe X is
    telling     the    truth' . . . "              Kleser,       
    328 Wis. 2d 42
    ,         ¶102.
    Indeed, "[t]here is no requirement that an expert explicitly
    testify that she believes a person is telling the truth for an
    expert's     opinion     to     constitute         improper    vouching          testimony."
    
    Id.
    ¶101 A      "requirement        that     specific       words        be    used    would
    permit     the    rule   to    be    circumvented       easily."           
    Id.
             That    is
    exactly what the majority allows the State to do here, when it
    determines        that   the        expert's       testimony        that        she    saw    no
    indications of dishonesty is admissible.
    ¶102 Contrary to the majority's assertions, this testimony
    is not admissible even if it addresses a witness's truthfulness
    only in the context of a cognitive graphic interview.                                 Haseltine
    prohibits expert testimony regarding a witness's credibility and
    therefore    prohibits         the    expert's       testimony      about        whether      the
    witness was being honest during her interview.                             
    120 Wis. 2d at 96
    .   A unanimous court of appeals determined that this testimony
    clearly crossed the Haseltine line.                   I agree.
    B
    ¶103 Next I address whether the expert's testimony that she
    saw   no    indications        that     the        witness    had    been        coached      is
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    permissible under one of the limited exceptions set forth in
    Haseltine,         Jensen     and      Krueger.         I     begin       by        invoking      and
    paraphrasing the maxim:                the majority may be entitled to develop
    its own opinion, but it is not entitled to develop its own
    facts.        Out     of    whole      cloth,    the    majority         develops          its    own
    factual record, which even the State concedes is nonexistent.
    ¶104 Haseltine and Jensen permit expert testimony about the
    typical behavior of victims of abuse.                        Haseltine, 
    120 Wis. 2d at 97
    ; Jensen, 
    147 Wis. 2d at 246
    .                      The expert's testimony in this
    case did not address the typical behavior of victims of abuse,
    such     as    a    delay         in   reporting       or     acting          out     in    school.
    Consequently, I need not further address this limited exception.
    Instead, the testimony here focused on the interview process.
    Thus, I examine the limited exception for coaching testimony
    derived from an interview and permitted under Krueger.
    ¶105 Krueger          reasoned        that      testimony         about         whether      a
    child's       behavior       during     an   interview        is     consistent            with   the
    behavior of like-aged children could both help a jury understand
    the    interview       and    rebut     a    defense        theory      of    coaching.           
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶14.            Under Krueger, admissible testimony addresses
    "objective         signs     or    behavior"     such       as   a      child's        ability     to
    supply peripheral details of the alleged incident, the use of
    language       that    reflects        the   word      usage       of    an     adult,      or    the
    reporting of information not appropriate for the developmental
    level of the child.               
    Id.,
     ¶15 n.10.
    ¶106 The expert in this case gave none of the foundational
    testimony       that       Krueger      requires.           Without          any     foundational
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    testimony     regarding         the   objective      signs     or    behaviors    of
    coaching, the expert witness baldly concluded that there was no
    indication that the witness had been coached in any way during
    her interview.
    ¶107 To         fill    a    void    in    the     record,       the     majority
    reconfigures the expert's testimony here.                    It asserts that she
    "provided background information as context for her testimony in
    regard to the indications of coaching and dishonesty during the
    cognitive graphic interview."             Majority op., ¶43.            Not only is
    there no support for this assertion in the trial transcript,
    even the State did not contend that she testified about any
    objective signs or behaviors of coaching.
    ¶108 At     oral       argument,    counsel   for    the    State      repeatedly
    conceded that the proper foundation had not been laid for the
    social   worker's      conclusions      that   she      saw    no    indication   of
    coaching.      When the State's counsel was asked what objective
    indications the expert observed, he responded:
       "I understand that we didn't have the foundation.                      I
    concede that.        We don't have the foundation. It's not
    there."
       "If you're asking what is the foundation in this case,
    there wasn't very much of a foundation."
       "Well this gets back to Justice Abrahamson's question
    about whether there was this foundation here and I'd
    have to say that I don't know, the record doesn't tell
    us."
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    ¶109 Rather than determine that the expert impermissibly
    opined that the witness showed no indications of coaching, the
    majority    over-reaches     by     sua    sponte      attempting          to   lay   the
    foundation for the testimony.              Indeed, the majority tells the
    reader everything the expert should have told the jury, but did
    not.
    ¶110 Relying on a journal article, the majority informs the
    reader that a child's inability to supply information on her
    own, the use of adult language, giving vague or inconsistent
    accounts, and refusing to discuss details of the abuse are all
    objective indications of coaching or suggestibility.                            Majority
    op., ¶¶31-32 (citing August Piper, Investigating Child Sex Abuse
    Allegations:        A Guide to Help Legal Professionals Distinguish
    Valid from Invalid Claims, 36 J. Psychiatry & L. 271, 302-03
    (2008)).
    ¶111 Given    its   lengthy    recitation           of   the    indications     of
    coaching an expert might identify during a cognitive graphic
    interview, the majority opinion might lead the reader to believe
    that the expert discussed these indications during her trial
    testimony.     She did not.       Although the majority's discussion may
    be informative, it does not remedy the fact that none of the
    objective signs or behaviors of coaching was presented to the
    jury.
    ¶112 Without the necessary foundation, the social worker's
    testimony    does    not   assist    the       jury   in    making     a   credibility
    determination——it instead makes that determination for the jury.
    All that the jury was told is that the expert concluded that she
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    saw no indications of coaching.                      This contravenes Haseltine's
    prohibition      because     it      does      not     fall      within        the    limited
    exception     allowing       for     objective         signs      of     coaching          under
    Krueger.
    ¶113 The       Krueger       court           provided      specific            guidance,
    carefully circumscribing the bounds of permissible testimony.
    It cautioned that "testimony regarding coaching may more readily
    border on truthfulness, as compared to the analysis of reactive
    behavior."    
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶15 n.10; see also id., ¶21 (Brown,
    C.J., concurring).         Unfortunately, the majority heeded neither
    the   caution       nor      the     bounds          of      permissible           testimony.
    Accordingly, the coaching testimony here is inadmissible because
    without the necessary foundational testimony, it violates the
    Haseltine rule.
    III
    ¶114 Because I conclude that the social worker's testimony
    impermissibly     vouched      for      the    credibility        of     the       witness,    I
    address next whether Maday received ineffective assistance of
    counsel when his trial counsel failed to object to the expert
    testimony.
    ¶115 Maday      must     demonstrate            that      his     trial        counsel's
    performance    was    deficient         and    that       the   deficient       performance
    prejudiced    his    defense       in    order       to    prevail       on    a     claim    of
    ineffective assistance of counsel.                        Strickland v. Washington,
    
    466 U.S. 668
    , 687 (1984).               To show prejudice, a defendant must
    demonstrate that there is "a reasonable probability that, but
    for   counsel's       unprofessional               errors,      the     result        of     the
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    proceeding would have been different.                          A reasonable probability
    is   a    probability         sufficient       to    undermine         confidence           in    the
    outcome."      
    Id. at 694
    .
    ¶116 Several        Wisconsin       cases      have        addressed      whether        the
    admission of impermissible                 Haseltine           testimony is prejudicial
    pursuant     to     Strickland         when    a    defendant's          trial        is    a    pure
    credibility contest.              See, e.g., Haseltine, 
    120 Wis. 2d at 96
    ;
    Krueger, 
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶¶17-19.                       All have concluded that such
    testimony is prejudicial because it undermines confidence in the
    reliability of the outcome of the trial.                              See, e.g., Krueger,
    
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶20; Haseltine, 
    120 Wis. 2d at 96
    .
    ¶117 Of particular import, the Krueger court concluded that
    whether the victim's account of a sexual assault is corroborated
    by       independent         evidence         is     significant             in     determining
    performance       and    prejudice.           
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    ,     ¶18.         Krueger
    explained      that       because       the        issue       at     trial       was      one     of
    credibility, the expert's opinion, "with its aura of scientific
    reliability,        creates      too    great       a    possibility           that      the     jury
    abdicated its fact-finding role to the psychiatrist and did not
    independently          decide    [the    defendant's]            guilt."           
    Id.
         (quoting
    Haseltine, 
    120 Wis. 2d at 96
    ).
    ¶118 The      court     in    Krueger       concluded         that       the      risk    of
    prejudice     was      too     great    in    a     one-on-one        credibility           battle:
    "[t]here          is      a       significant              possibility              that          the
    jurors . . . simply             deferred      to    witnesses          with       experience       in
    evaluating the truthfulness of victims of crime.").                                        
    Id.,
     ¶18
    (citing Romero, 
    147 Wis. 2d at 279
    ).                            This "possibility gives
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    rise to the reasonable probability that, but for trial counsel's
    error, the jury would have had a reasonable doubt respecting
    guilt."      
    Id.
     (citing Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 695
    ).
    ¶119 Here, there was no physical or DNA evidence introduced
    at trial so the main issue was whether the child or Maday was
    more credible.        This scenario, as discussed above, enhances the
    risk    of    prejudice.        To     tip    the     balance,     Maday     offered
    inconsistencies       between   the    child    witness's    testimony        in   the
    videotaped interview and her testimony at trial.                      However, such
    evidence     pales    in   comparison    to     the   potency    of    an   "expert"
    vouching for the credibility of the child.
    ¶120 The      prosecutor's     closing    argument   further         amplified
    the improper influence of the expert's testimony by emphasizing
    that the expert did not observe indications that the victim "was
    lying":
    You [] got to hear from a social worker who was
    specially trained to conduct these interviews. She
    told you there was nothing that she saw that indicated
    that [the witness] had been coached or that she was
    lying. Neither of those things were present during her
    interview with [the witness].
    In fact, one of the purposes of that specific
    interview technique that she uses is to remind the
    child there are consequences for lying. . . . [A]nd
    again, there was nothing to indicate that [the
    witness] was making anything up. That’s called
    reliability, and it makes [the witness's] account more
    credible.
    This testimony that the witness was not lying or making anything
    up "clouded the crucial issue of credibility."                         Romero, 147
    Wis. 2d at 267.
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    ¶121 Thus, similar to Krueger, there is too great of a risk
    that the jury abdicated its fact-finding role to the expert
    witness.      Contrary     to     the    majority's        assertion,        a   standard
    instruction advising the jury that it is to be the sole judge of
    credibility is insufficient to cure the problem.                           This standard
    instruction was likely given in every case where an expert's
    testimony     was      deemed      impermissible           under          Haseltine      and
    prejudicial under Strickland.
    ¶122 The risk that the jury abdicated its fact-finding role
    to the expert gives rise to the reasonable probability that, but
    for trial counsel's error, the jury would have had a reasonable
    doubt   regarding      Maday's     guilt.        Because       counsel's         error    is
    sufficient      to    undermine       confidence      in      the    outcome      of     the
    proceeding, I determine that Maday was prejudiced.                          See Krueger,
    
    314 Wis. 2d 605
    , ¶18 (citing Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 694
    ).
    ¶123 In sum, I conclude that the social worker's expert
    testimony impermissibly vouched for the credibility of the child
    witness.        The    testimony        that    she     saw    no     indications         of
    dishonesty simply crosses the line drawn by Haseltine.                           Although
    the testimony addressing indications of coaching may fall within
    a   Haseltine    exception       if     the    proper      factual        foundation      is
    established, no such foundation exists in this record.
    ¶124 I     further    conclude       that     Maday's      trial       counsel      was
    ineffective by failing to object to this testimony.                               Thus, I
    would affirm the court of appeals opinion reversing a circuit
    court order denying Maday's motion for postconviction relief.
    Accordingly, I respectfully dissent.
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    ¶125 I   am   authorized   to   state   that   Justice   SHIRLEY    S.
    ABRAHAMSON joins this dissent.
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