Medina, Hector Rolando , 475 S.W.3d 291 ( 2015 )


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  •           IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS
    OF TEXAS
    NO. WR-75,835-02
    In Re HECTOR ROLANDO MEDINA, Relator
    ON APPLICATION FOR WRIT OF PROHIBITION IN CAUSE
    NO. W07-32923-S(A) IN THE 282nd JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT
    DALLAS COUNTY
    N EWELL, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which K ELLER, P.J.,
    M EYERS, J OHNSON, K EASLER, H ERVEY, R ICHARDSON, and Y EARY, JJ., joined.
    J OHNSON, J., filed a concurring opinion. A LCALA, J., filed a dissenting opinion.
    OPINION
    “No person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against
    himself . . .” U.S. Const. Amend. V.
    Under the plain text of the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, a
    defendant has a clear right to prevent the State from forcing him to testify at his trial or at
    sentencing. But what happens when the defendant’s trial is over, his conviction is final, and
    his testimony would no longer subject him to criminal liability?        This was the question
    presented to the trial court in this case. Is the State, in a post-conviction evidentiary hearing
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    on a writ of habeas corpus, clearly prohibited from calling the writ applicant to testify– under
    a grant of both use and derivative-use immunity– about whether he was aware of and agreed
    to trial counsel’s strategy at the punishment stage of his capital-murder trial? If this Court
    were considering the question in the first instance, the answer might very well be “no.” But
    because this case comes before us as a writ of prohibition, we are not asked to decide the
    precise scope of the Fifth Amendment’s protection.1
    Instead, we are asked to decide whether the trial court made a judicial decision or a
    ministerial one. More specifically, we must determine whether the law on this issue is so
    clear that the trial court had no choice but to prohibit the State from calling relator to the
    stand. Examining the relevant case law regarding the scope of the Fifth Amendment from
    the United States Supreme Court and this Court reveals arguments to support the positions
    of both relator and the State. Consequently, we cannot say that the trial court had a
    ministerial duty to prohibit the State from calling relator to testify. Therefore, we must deny
    the writ of prohibition.
    Factual & Procedural Background
    Relator was convicted of capital murder for killing his two children, Javier and Diana
    1
    It is worth noting that cases from both this Court and the United States Supreme Court have
    used the words “privilege” and “right” interchangeably when discussing the scope of the Fifth
    Amendment’s protections. Presumably, this is because the Fifth Amendment enshrined the common-law
    privilege against self-incrimination as a constitutional right. See United States v. Hubbell, 
    530 U.S. 27
    ,
    49-53 (2000) (Thomas, J., concurring) (setting out the history of the Fifth Amendment right against self-
    incrimination). Any reference in previous cases to the Fifth Amendment “privilege against self-
    incrimination” is not intended to diminish this constitutional provision’s status as a constitutional right.
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    Medina. During the punishment phase of the trial, one juror was allowed to be absent for
    two days to attend his daughter’s labor induction, while another broke her arm in the court
    parking lot. The trial court indicated that it would grant a continuance to accommodate these
    juror absences, but relator’s lead trial counsel objected on the ground that several out-of-
    country witnesses would be unavailable if the trial were postponed for a week.               On
    September 16, 2008, the trial court granted a continuance and denied lead trial counsel’s
    motion for mistrial. The trial court released the jurors without setting a return date and
    denied lead trial counsel’s subsequent motion to withdraw as counsel.
    The trial court later set October 27, 2008 as the date to resume the punishment phase
    of the trial. Relator’s lead trial counsel filed a motion for continuance on October 20, 2008
    again alleging that several defense witnesses would be unavailable for trial. The trial court
    denied the motion for continuance. Lead trial counsel then filed a motion to withdraw
    alleging that the trial court’s actions were making her render ineffective assistance of
    counsel. She indicated to the trial court that she did not intend to present any evidence on
    relator’s behalf at the punishment phase of his death-penalty trial. Lead trial counsel also
    filed motions to recuse the trial court as well as the Dallas District Attorney’s Office, and she
    filed a final motion for continuance. The trial court denied all these motions.
    Thereafter, lead trial counsel refused to participate in relator’s trial. The trial court
    warned relator’s lead counsel that refusing to participate would result in the trial court
    holding her in contempt of court. The trial court subsequently held relator’s lead counsel in
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    contempt and took her into custody. The trial court released her later that day, prior to the
    jury-charge conference and punishment argument. The jury answered the special issues
    pursuant to Texas Code of Criminal Procedure Article 37.071, and the trial court,
    accordingly, set punishment at death. The State subsequently filed a grievance against lead
    trial counsel with the State Bar of Texas based upon trial counsel’s failure to inform or
    consult with relator regarding participation in the punishment phase of the trial.
    Relator’s conviction was affirmed on direct appeal. See Medina v. State, No. AP-
    76,036, 
    2011 WL 378785
    (Tex. Crim. App. Jan. 12, 2011) (not designated for publication).
    On direct appeal, we rejected relator’s claim that he had received ineffective assistance of
    counsel during the punishment phase of his trial because the claim was not factually
    developed. 
    Id. at *31.
    The case became final on March 21, 2011 when this Court issued its
    mandate.
    Relator’s first writ attorney filed an application for writ of habeas corpus that was only
    four pages long and merely stated factual and legal conclusions. Ex parte Medina, 
    361 S.W.3d 633
    , 635 (Tex Crim. App. 2011). This Court determined that writ counsel had
    intentionally filed insufficient pleadings in order to force the Court to readdress its pleading
    requirements. 
    Id. Writ counsel
    acknowledged that he had frequently discussed his plan with
    relator, but proceeded even though relator was not happy about it. 
    Id. at 636.
    According to
    writ counsel, the strategy was in relator’s best interest and in the best interest of similarly
    situated death-row inmates because pleading evidence in briefing in the initial application
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    for a writ of habeas corpus promotes disposition without evidentiary hearings. 
    Id. This Court
    held that relator failed to timely file a cognizable writ application, thereby authorizing
    him to file an initial application for writ of habeas corpus. 
    Id. at 643.
    We then appointed the
    Office of Capital Writs to represent relator. 
    Id. The Office
    of Capital Writs filed an initial writ of habeas corpus application in the
    convicting court on relator’s behalf on June 5, 2012. Counsel raised several Cronic- and
    Strickland-based claims of ineffective assistance predicated on trial counsel’s abandonment
    of the adversarial testing of the State’s punishment case. The habeas judge issued an order
    designating those claims for further development and held a hearing on August 8, 2013.
    Following the hearing, the State noticed its intent to call relator as a witness at the evidentiary
    hearing scheduled for January, citing this Court’s opinion in Cannon v. State, 
    252 S.W.3d 342
    (Tex. Crim. App. 2008).2
    In documents filed with the habeas judge, relator objected to being forcibly called as
    2
    Cannon’s defense counsel entirely failed to subject the prosecution’s case to meaningful
    adversarial testing, so that there was a constructive denial of the assistance of counsel altogether, and
    prejudice was therefore legally presumed. In Cannon we stated:
    We are not persuaded by the State’s argument that holding as we do today will encourage
    other defense counsel to engage in the conduct condemned. Under the Disciplinary Rules
    of Professional Conduct, every defense counsel owes to his client his zealousness,
    competence, and diligence. A defense counsel failing in those obligations opens himself up
    to disciplinary proceedings as well as a civil suit for malpractice. Furthermore, a trial court
    can meet the threat of attorney non-participation by ascertaining whether the defendant
    understands the implications and probable consequences of his counsel’s conduct and
    whether the defendant is knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waiving his right to the
    effective assistance of counsel.
    
    Id. at 352.
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    a witness against his own interests. Relator argued that (1) being forced to testify violated
    his rights under the Fifth Amendment; (2) his testimony was not relevant to whether he
    received ineffective assistance of counsel; and (3) this Court’s opinion in Cannon does not
    require him to testify at the upcoming hearing. Relator also argued that the State had no
    good-faith basis to question him given the State’s assertion in the state-bar grievance filed
    against trial counsel in June 2009 that trial counsel failed to inform or consult with relator
    about her decision not to participate in the punishment phase of trial. The habeas judge heard
    argument on relator’s objection on the afternoon of January 13, 2014.
    The State admitted during the January hearing that calling a defendant to the stand
    was “a really novel area” and that “this is basically unprecedented. The only precedent we
    have is Cannon . . . from the CCA.” The State explained that, in every case in which a
    defendant raises an IAC claim, the State is permitted to call the defendant to the stand for
    questioning.3 However, the State indicated that the trial court did not have “much of
    anything to hold over [relator’s] head” if relator chose not to testify after being called to the
    stand. The State sought only the ability to draw adverse inferences from relator’s refusal to
    answer particular questions regarding whether relator knowingly acquiesced to trial counsel’s
    strategy and whether that constituted a waiver of effective assistance of counsel.
    3
    We do not adopt the State’s broad reading of Cannon in this case. We have held, in the context
    of a motion for new trial, that asserting a claim of ineffective assistance of counsel waives the attorney-
    client privilege and trial counsel may be questioned about his actions. State v. Thomas, 
    428 S.W.3d 99
    ,
    106 (Tex. Crim. App. 2014); See also Rylander v. State, 
    101 S.W.3d 107
    , 110 (Tex. Crim. App. 2003).
    But we have not held that a claim of ineffective assistance of counsel waives the Fifth Amendment right
    against self-incrimination, and we do not need to reach that holding to decide this case.
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    The habeas judge seemed to believe that a defendant could not waive his right to the
    effective assistance of counsel. However, he indicated that the State would be permitted to
    examine relator if it offered him use and derivative-use immunity, which the State promptly
    did. The habeas court entered a written order granting relator both use and derivative-use
    immunity. This grant of immunity prevents the State from using both relator’s testimony and
    any information gained from that testimony in a future prosecution or any proceeding other
    than this hearing on the post-conviction writ application. See Kastigar v. United States, 
    406 U.S. 441
    , 453 (1972) (“We hold that such immunity from use and derivative use is
    coextensive with the scope of the privilege against self-incrimination, and therefore is
    sufficient to compel testimony over a claim of the privilege.”). The habeas judge also
    indicated that he would not allow the State to question relator about “anything and
    everything,” as he would entertain objections to questions that fell outside the scope of
    relator’s claims of relief. The State responded by agreeing that it had no intention of
    questioning relator about the facts of the offense itself.
    When the State called relator to the stand, habeas counsel objected and filed the
    application for writ of prohibition that is currently before this Court. This Court stayed the
    proceedings with regard to relator’s forced testimony only and invited responses from the
    State and the habeas judge. In re Medina, No. WR-75,835-02, 
    2014 WL 260176
    (Tex. Crim.
    App. Jan. 15, 2014) (not designated for publication). This Court received a response from
    the State and a reply to the State’s response filed by habeas counsel. No response was
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    received from the habeas judge.
    General Mandamus/Prohibition Principles
    A writ of prohibition must meet the same standards as a writ of mandamus, the
    former being used to “prevent the commission of a future act whereas the latter operates to
    undo or nullify an act already performed . . . .” State ex rel. Wade v. Mays, 
    689 S.W.2d 893
    ,
    897 (Tex. Crim. App. 1985). To merit relief through a writ of prohibition, an applicant must
    first show that the act he wishes the higher court to restrict “does not involve a discretionary
    or judicial decision.” Simon v. Levario, 
    306 S.W.3d 318
    , 320 (Tex. Crim. App. 2009).
    Second, an applicant must show that he has no adequate remedy at law. State ex rel. Young
    v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court of Appeals, 
    236 S.W.3d 207
    , 210 (Tex. Crim. App. 2007). “In
    some cases, a remedy at law may technically exist; however, it may nevertheless be so
    uncertain, tedious, burdensome, slow, inconvenient, inappropriate or ineffective as to be
    deemed inadequate.” Smith v. Flack, 
    728 S.W.2d 784
    , 792 (Tex. Crim. App. 1987).
    Equitable principles are necessarily involved when we consider whether mandamus or
    prohibition should issue. 
    Id. The ministerial-act
    requirement is satisfied if the relator can
    show a clear right to the relief sought because the facts and circumstances dictate but one
    rational decision under unequivocal, well-settled, and clearly controlling legal principles.
    In re Bonilla, 
    424 S.W.3d 528
    , 533 (Tex. Crim. App. 2014). As Professors Dix and
    Schmolesky have pointed out, this Court has discussed the ministerial duty in terms of the
    respondent’s authority or jurisdiction: “If a trial judge lacks authority or jurisdiction to take
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    particular action, the judge has a ‘ministerial’ duty to refrain from taking that action, to reject
    or overrule requests that he take such action, and to undo the action if he has already taken
    it.” 43B G EORGE E. D IX & JOHN M. S CHMOLESKY, T EXAS P RACTICE S ERIES: C RIMINAL
    P RACTICE A ND P ROCEDURE § 61.29 (3d ed. 2011).4
    In this case, the State agrees that relator has no other vehicle for obtaining relief.
    There is no procedural mechanism to appeal the adverse ruling that the Fifth Amendment
    does not prevent relator from being called to the stand at his own Article 11.071 hearing. See
    e.g. In re McCann, 
    422 S.W.3d 701
    , 710 (Tex. Crim. App. 2013) (ability to seek relief from
    contempt order through writ of habeas corpus not adequate to address underlying issue of
    trial court’s order compelling attorney to turn client’s trial file over to successor attorney).
    The only question before us, then, is whether the ministerial-act requirement is satisfied.
    We have recently recognized that “an issue of first impression can sometimes qualify
    for mandamus relief when the factual scenario has never been precisely addressed but the
    4
    We have held, for instance, that a trial judge does not have legal authority to: order DNA
    testing where applicant has failed to meet the requirements of the DNA testing statute, State v. Patrick,
    
    86 S.W.3d 592
    , 594–95 (Tex. Crim. App. 2002) (plurality op.); allow a camera in the jury room, State ex
    rel. Rosenthal v. Poe, 
    98 S.W.3d 194
    , 202–03 (Tex. Crim. App. 2003); conduct a pretrial evidentiary
    hearing to determine the “as applied” constitutionality of a state penal or criminal-procedural statute,
    State ex rel. Lykos v. Fine, 
    330 S.W.3d 904
    , 919 (Tex. Crim. App. 2011); conduct a pretrial evidentiary
    hearing to determine the adequacy of a mitigation case in a capital-murder proceeding or make a pretrial
    declaratory judgment that the State should be forbidden from seeking the death penalty in a
    capital-murder trial, State ex rel. Watkins v. Creuzot, 
    352 S.W.3d 493
    , 506 (Tex. Crim. App. 2011); or
    refuse to submit jury instruction on the “intent to promote or assist” theory of the law of parties and
    require the submission of the conspiracy theory of the law of parties without any manner-and-means
    restriction in capital-murder trial, In re State ex rel. Weeks, 
    391 S.W.3d 117
    , 126 (Tex. Crim. App. 2013).
    We have, however, recently declined to grant a writ of prohibition to stop a trial court from making a pre-
    trial determination in a death-penalty case on the issue of the defendant’s mental retardation because the
    law on that issue was unsettled. In re Allen, 
    462 S.W.3d 47
    , 54 (Tex. Crim. App. 2015).
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    principle of law has been clearly established.” In re State ex rel. Weeks, 
    391 S.W.3d 117
    , 122
    (Tex. Crim. App. 2013). While this case does present an issue of first impression, relator is
    entitled to relief only if the principle of law he relies upon is “positively commanded and so
    plainly prescribed under the law as to be free from doubt.” In re Allen, 
    462 S.W.3d 47
    , 50
    (Tex. Crim. App. 2015). If the State were attempting to call relator to the stand during either
    the guilt or sentencing phases of his trial, that would certainly violate a clear principle of law,
    even though no one seems to have litigated that precise factual scenario. See e.g., Randolph
    v. State, 
    353 S.W.3d 887
    , 891 (Tex. Crim. App. 2011) (“The defendant has a separate Fifth
    Amendment privilege not to testify at either the guilt or punishment phases of trial.”). But
    relator seeks to assert his Fifth Amendment right to prevent questioning about his
    communications with trial counsel after relator’s sentence has been fixed, his conviction has
    become final, and he no longer faces further criminal liability for the offense that gave rise
    to the post-conviction hearing. Not only has his case become final, the grant of use and
    derivative-use immunity prevents any future criminal prosecutions based upon any
    information gained from the questions co-extensive with the scope of the Fifth Amendment.5
    
    Kastigar, 406 U.S. at 453
    . So the question remains whether the Fifth Amendment positively
    commands the relief relator seeks in this post-conviction hearing.
    The Fifth Amendment
    5
    From the terms of the immunity order and the representations of the State to the trial court, we
    understand the grant of both use and derivative use immunity prevents the State from using relator’s
    testimony and any information gained from relator’s testimony in any future criminal proceeding
    including possible re-trial should this Court ultimately grant relief on relator’s writ of habeas corpus
    application.
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    The Fifth Amendment states that “[n]o person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case
    to be a witness against himself[.]”6 The United States Supreme Court explained the purpose and
    origin of the Fifth Amendment in Doe v. United States:
    Historically, the privilege was intended to prevent the use of legal compulsion
    to extract from the accused a sworn communication of facts which would
    incriminate him. Such was the process of the ecclesiastical courts and the Star
    Chamber–the inquisitorial method of putting the accused upon his oath and
    compelling him to answer questions designed to uncover uncharged offenses
    without evidence from another source. The major thrust of the policies
    undergirding the privilege is to prevent such compulsion. The Self-
    Incrimination Clause reflects “a judgment . . . that the prosecution should [not]
    be free to build up a criminal case, in whole or in part, with the assistance of
    enforced disclosures by the accused.”
    
    487 U.S. 201
    , 212 (1988) (citations omitted).                 The scope of the Fifth Amendment is
    comprehensive, protecting the individual not only against being involuntarily called as a
    witness against himself in a criminal prosecution, but also permitting him “not to answer
    official questions put to him in any other proceeding, civil or criminal, formal or informal,
    where the answers might incriminate him in future criminal proceedings.” Lefkowitz v.
    Turley, 
    414 U.S. 70
    , 77 (1973). Any invocation of the Fifth Amendment right must be
    viewed liberally and in the light most favorable to its legitimacy. Hoffman v. United States,
    
    341 U.S. 479
    , 486 (1951).
    Yet despite its cherished position, the Fifth Amendment addresses only a relatively
    narrow scope of inquiries. Garner v. United States, 
    424 U.S. 648
    , 655 (1976). “Unless the
    6
    Similarly, the Texas Constitution Article I § 10 states that “[i]n all criminal prosecutions the
    accused . . . shall not be compelled to give evidence against himself, and shall have the right of being
    heard by himself or counsel, or both[.]”
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    government seeks testimony that will subject its giver to criminal liability, the constitutional
    right to remain silent absent immunity does not arise.” 
    Id. As the
    United States Supreme
    Court has explained:
    [T]he question in a criminal case is not whether the defendant committed the
    acts of which he is accused. The question is whether the Government has
    carried its burden to prove its allegations while respecting the defendant’s
    individual rights. The Government retains the burden of proving facts relevant
    to the crime at the sentencing phase and cannot enlist the defendant in this
    process at the expense of the self-incrimination privilege.
    Mitchell v. United States, 
    526 U.S. 314
    , 330 (1999). But once direct appeals are over, the
    defendant loses his right to assert his right against self-incrimination as to that specific crime.
    
    Id. at 326
    (“It is true, as a general rule, that where there can be no further incrimination, there
    is no basis for the assertion of the privilege. We conclude that principle applies to cases in
    which the sentence has been fixed and the judgment of conviction has become final.”).7
    Indeed, the existence of a lawful conviction and incarceration necessarily places
    limitations upon the exercise of a defendant’s right against self-incrimination. McKune v.
    Lile, 
    536 U.S. 24
    , 38 (2002). For example, in Baxter v. Palmigiano, the United States
    Supreme Court recognized that prison officials could use a defendant’s silence against him
    at a prison disciplinary hearing in which that silence could not be used as evidence in any
    7
    See State v. Barone, 
    986 P.2d 5
    , 21 (Or. 1999) (relying on Mitchell to hold that witness’s
    intention to seek post-conviction relief did not revive his privilege against self-incrimination; witness
    “could not incriminate himself further by answering questions about a crime for which he already had
    been convicted and sentenced and for which his direct appeals were exhausted”). Contra James v. State,
    
    75 P.3d 1065
    , 1072 (Alaska Ct. App. 2003) (defendant had a valid Fifth Amendment right not to be
    compelled to discuss facts surrounding the charge for which he had been convicted while his collateral
    attack was pending in part because if he were successful in that application, he could obtain a new trial,
    and those statements could then be used against him).
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    other pending criminal proceeding. 
    425 U.S. 308
    , 317 (1976). There, the State notified the
    inmate that he could remain silent if he chose to, but also that his silence could nevertheless
    be used against him at the proceeding. 
    Id. Additionally, the
    defendant’s silence by itself was
    insufficient to support an adverse decision by the Disciplinary Board. 
    Id. According to
    the
    Court, this was not “an invalid attempt by the State to compel testimony without granting
    immunity or to penalize the exercise of the privilege.” 
    Id. at 318.
    As the Court later
    observed in McKune v. Lile, “The inmate in Baxter no doubt felt compelled to speak in one
    sense of the word. The Court, considering the level of compulsion in light of the prison
    setting and the State’s interests in rehabilitation and orderly administration, nevertheless
    rejected the inmate’s self-incrimination 
    claim.” 536 U.S. at 38
    .
    Similarly, the Court recognized that, even though a defendant does not lose his Fifth
    Amendment protection due to his conviction for a crime, the focus of the right necessarily
    shifts away from a crime that has resulted in a conviction to protection from future criminal
    prosecutions. Minnesota v. Murphy, 
    465 U.S. 420
    , 426 (1984). As the Court explained, “[A]
    defendant does not lose [his Fifth Amendment right] by reason of his conviction of a crime;
    notwithstanding that a defendant is imprisoned or on probation at the time he makes
    incriminating statements, if those statements are compelled they are inadmissible in a
    subsequent trial for a crime other than that for which he has been convicted.” 
    Id. at 426
    (emphasis added). Significantly, the Supreme Court clarified that questions relating to
    probation conditions rather than criminal acts would not implicate the Fifth Amendment
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    provided the threat of revocation did not coerce the probationer to reveal information that
    could be used in a future criminal proceeding. 
    Id. at 435
    n. 7. As the Supreme Court
    observed, “A state may validly insist on answers to even incriminating questions and hence
    sensibly administer its probation system, as long as it recognizes that the required answers
    may not be used in a criminal proceeding.” 
    Id. The Court
    went on to explain that “nothing
    in the Federal Constitution would prevent a State from revoking probation for a refusal to
    answer that violated an express condition of probation or from using the probationer’s silence
    as ‘one of a number of factors to be considered by a finder of fact’ in deciding whether other
    conditions of probation have been violated.” 
    Id. This Court
    has recognized as much when considering whether a defendant could be
    forced to participate in a sex-offender treatment program as a condition of probation. When
    a defendant is threatened with punishment for relying upon his Fifth Amendment right, his
    statements become inadmissible in a future criminal prosecution. Chapman v. State, 
    115 S.W.3d 1
    , 7 (Tex. Crim. App. 2003).         Relying upon the Supreme Court’s “penalty”
    jurisprudence, we noted that the threat of probation revocation in the face of an invocation
    of the Fifth Amendment could deprive a defendant of his free choice to admit, to deny, or to
    refuse to answer. 
    Id. Or, as
    we explained more simply in Dansby v. State, a probationer may
    be compelled to appear and give testimony about matters relevant to his probationary status,
    but he cannot be required to choose between making incriminating statements and
    jeopardizing his conditional liberty by remaining silent.” Dansby v. State, 
    398 S.W.3d 233
    ,
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    240 (Tex. Crim. App. 2013) (quoting 
    Murphy, 465 U.S. at 436
    ).
    But we have also held that the Fifth Amendment is not implicated where the
    compelled statements can no longer result in criminal liability. Ex parte Dangelo, 
    376 S.W.3d 776
    , 781 (Tex. Crim. App. 2012). In Dangelo, the defendant pleaded guilty to one
    count of injury to a child in exchange for the State abandoning four other charged offenses.
    
    Id. at 777.
    The defendant sought to assert his Fifth Amendment right to avoid being
    compelled to admit to any sexual offense, including the offenses the State had abandoned,
    during the course of a sexual-offender treatment program. 
    Id. at 777-78.
    This Court held,
    in a unanimous opinion, that the defendant could not rely upon the Fifth Amendment to
    prevent discussion of the facts of the abandoned crimes because double jeopardy prevented
    them from being used in a future criminal prosecution. 
    Id. at 781.
    Notably, Judge Cochran wrote a concurring opinion, joined by Judges Hervey and
    Alcala, to explain that a defendant could be compelled to discuss the facts related to the
    abandoned counts so long as the State granted the probationer derivative-use immunity
    before compelling any answer. 
    Id. at 783
    (Cochran, J., concurring). As Judge Cochran
    wrote: “[A]ppellant has lost the Fifth Amendment privilege for the injury-to-a-child offense
    for which he has been placed on deferred adjudication probation and for the specific counts
    to which jeopardy attached at the time of his guilty plea. For those discrete and specific
    offenses, he must answer.” 
    Id. This position
    is consistent with the seminal “penalty” case, Griffin v. California, 380
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    16 U.S. 609
    , 610 (1965). In Griffin, the State sought a jury instruction (pursuant to a California
    statute) allowing the jury to draw an adverse inference from the defendant’s refusal to testify
    during the guilt phase of trial. 
    Id. at 610
    (1965). The United States Supreme Court held that
    the Fifth Amendment prohibited not only this instruction but also any comment by the State
    on the failure of the defendant to testify in his own defense. 
    Id. at 614.
    According to the
    Court, commenting upon a defendant’s decision not to testify amounted to a penalty upon the
    defendant’s exercise of his Fifth Amendment right because the adverse inference undermined
    the defendant’s presumption of innocence. 
    Id. at 613-14.
    In contrast, a defendant who has
    been finally convicted no longer enjoys a presumption of innocence with regard to that
    conviction. Herrera v. Collins, 
    506 U.S. 390
    , 399 (1993) (“Once a defendant has been
    afforded a fair trial and convicted of the offense for which he was charged, the presumption
    of innocence disappears.”).
    Finally, this Court has also held that the “offensive use” of a privilege can result in
    the constructive waiver of it. When a defendant presents evidence through a psychological
    expert who has examined him, the government is likewise permitted to use the only effective
    means of challenging that evidence: testimony from an expert who has examined him. Soria
    v. State, 
    933 S.W.2d 46
    , 57 (Tex. Crim. App. 1996); see also Kansas v. Cheever, 
    134 S. Ct. 596
    , 602 (2013). Thus, a trial court may order a defendant to submit to a state-sponsored
    psychiatric examination if the defendant introduces or plans to introduce his own future-
    dangerousness expert testimony. Lagrone v. State, 
    942 S.W.2d 602
    , 611 (Tex. Crim. App.
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    1997).
    Similarly, a defendant waives the attorney-client privilege when he argues that his
    sentence should be overturned because his counsel was constitutionally ineffective. State v.
    Thomas, 
    428 S.W.3d 99
    , 106 (Tex. Crim. App. 2014). The rationale behind this rule was
    best explained by the Texas Supreme Court in Ginsberg v. Fifth Court of Appeals, 
    686 S.W.2d 105
    , 108 (1985). According to our sister court, “[a] plaintiff cannot use one hand to
    seek affirmative relief in court and with the other hand lower an iron curtain of silence
    against otherwise pertinent and proper questions which may have a bearing upon his right
    to maintain his action.” 
    Id. (quoting Pavlinko
    v. Yale-New Haven Hosp., 
    470 A.2d 246
    (1983)). Though this holding addressed only the attorney-client privilege, the rationale was
    based upon cases that rejected attempts to use the Fifth Amendment right in a similar fashion.
    
    Id. at 107-108;
    see also United States v. Hasting, 
    461 U.S. 499
    , 515 (1983) (Stevens, J.,
    concurring) (protective shield of the Fifth Amendment should not be converted into a sword).
    And while the Supreme Court of Texas applied the “offensive use” doctrine in a civil
    proceeding, this Court has applied it to claims of ineffective assistance of counsel in criminal
    cases as well. 
    Thomas, 428 S.W.3d at 106
    .
    Is there a clear right to relief?
    We conclude that, in the context of the specific facts presented here, relator is not
    clearly entitled to the relief he seeks. Although Texas has no rule of criminal procedure that
    contemplates calling a habeas petitioner to the stand at an evidentiary hearing relating to his
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    petition, the State is correct that Texas law does not expressly prohibit the habeas court’s
    action.8 Article 11.071 § 9(a) gives the habeas judge the discretion to resolve fact issues
    through an evidentiary hearing with live testimony from witnesses. As the above cases
    demonstrate, the applicability of the Fifth Amendment turns less upon the type of proceeding
    and more upon the potential for exposure to criminal liability.9 If there is no danger of
    incrimination from the testimony, the Fifth Amendment is inapplicable. When a defendant
    no longer enjoys a presumption of innocence and he or she is protected in any future
    proceeding by both use and derivative-use immunity, drawing an adverse inference from the
    invocation of the Fifth Amendment does not penalize the assertion of the right.10 And he or
    she may be said to have constructively waived the right if he or she seeks to use the Fifth
    Amendment in an offensive, rather than defensive, manner.
    8
    Some states have been explicit on this issue when crafting their procedures. For example,
    Alabama Rule of Criminal Procedure 32.9(b) provides that in a post-conviction evidentiary hearing:
    “[T]he petitioner may be called to testify at the hearing by the court or by either party.” But in contrast,
    New Mexico’s Rule 5-503 categorically prohibits deposing a criminal defendant. Allen v. LeMaster, 
    267 P.3d 806
    , 811 (N. M. 2011). Texas statutes, however, are silent in that regard. See e.g.,TEX . CODE CRIM .
    PROC . ANN ., ART . 39.02 (West 2013). These conflicting approaches further demonstrate how the law is
    unsettled on this issue and could be easily resolved by our legislature. In re 
    Allen, 462 S.W.3d at 54
    .
    9
    The dissent argues extensively that we should, as a matter of state law, treat this proceeding as
    part of relator’s “criminal case.” Yet, even the dissent acknowledges that whether this proceeding is
    characterized as a “criminal case” is not dispositive. Dissent op. at p. 11. Contrary to the dissent’s
    assertions, we are not holding that an applicant loses his Fifth Amendment right against self-
    incrimination when his conviction becomes final because habeas corpus proceedings are civil in nature.
    We simply hold that we cannot grant a writ of prohibition because the law is unclear regarding the scope
    of the Fifth Amendment’s protection under the specific facts of this case.
    10
    The dissent’s contention that questioning relator would subject him to a risk of criminal
    liability seems to assume the grant of immunity in this case is insufficient to provide Fifth Amendment
    protection. Both the United States Supreme Court and this Court have rejected this argument. 
    Kastigar, 406 U.S. at 453
    ; Ex parte Wilkinson, 
    641 S.W.2d 927
    , 930 (Tex. Crim. App. 1982).
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    Notably, a defendant seeking habeas corpus relief from a final conviction no longer
    enjoys a presumption of innocence. 
    Herrera, 506 U.S. at 399
    ; Ex parte Mines, 
    26 S.W.3d 910
    , 914 (Tex. Crim. App. 2000) (“[A]n applicant for the post-conviction writ of habeas
    corpus enjoys neither a presumption of innocence nor a constitutional right to be present at
    a hearing.”). As we have observed (in the context of a death-penalty writ of habeas corpus),
    the applicant is actually in the opposite position because “there exists a presumption of
    regularity of the judgment which can only be overcome by the petitioner’s showing that there
    is substantial evidence to the contrary.” 
    Mines, 26 S.W.3d at 914
    n. 25 (quoting Ex parte
    Young, 
    479 S.W.2d 45
    , 47 (Tex. Crim. App. 1972)). It has been recently argued that, in a
    death-penalty case, the statutory post-conviction habeas corpus remedy is more of a “hybrid
    appeal” rather than a true “habeas” collateral review proceeding.          Ex parte Alvarez,
    ___S.W.3d ___, 
    2015 WL 1956254
    at *4 (Tex. Crim. App. April 29, 2015) (Yeary, J.
    concurring). But that is not currently the law.
    Even if it were, the presumptions still cut against relator’s specific claims on habeas.
    Relator still carries the burden to prove his claim of ineffective assistance of counsel by a
    preponderance of the evidence. See e.g. Ex parte Overton, 
    444 S.W.3d 632
    , 640 (Tex. Crim.
    App. 2014) (restating well-established principle that an applicant carries the burden to
    overcome the strong presumption that trial counsel’s conduct was reasonable). Suggesting
    that drawing adverse inferences from relator’s silence unduly penalizes relator’s assertion
    of (or reliance upon) his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination presupposes that
    he is entitled to post-conviction relief. Unlike the probation-revocation hearings at issue in
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    Murphy or Chapman, relator is the party bringing suit here. Use of his assertion of his Fifth
    Amendment right against self-incrimination or his compelled testimony does not jeopardize
    any existing liberty interest. And unlike the prison disciplinary hearing at issue in Baxter,
    the grant of use and derivative-use immunity removes any concern that the State might be
    able to use relator’s habeas claim to coerce a confession for later use in a future criminal
    prosecution or on retrial in this case should this Court grant post-conviction relief.
    Although not binding upon this Court, other jurisdictions have allowed questioning
    of a habeas corpus applicant along with a negative inference should he assert his Fifth
    Amendment right regarding future offenses.11 Federal courts in Arizona, Missouri, and
    California as well as state courts in Alabama and West Virginia have allowed this practice
    over Fifth Amendment claims without correction from the United States Supreme Court.
    11
    See, e.g., Allen v. United States, No. 4:07CV00027 ERW, 
    2011 WL 4729819
    , at *6 (E.D. Mo.
    Oct. 7, 2011) (not designated for publication) (allowing the State to depose a § 2254 petitioner after
    noting that a blanket assertion of the Fifth Amendment is appropriate only if the court concludes that the
    witness could legitimately refuse to answer all relevant questions); Detrich v. Schriro, No. CV 03–229-
    TUC-DCB, 
    2007 WL 177831
    (D. Ariz Jan. 23, 2007) (allowing the State to call petitioner to testify at a
    hearing on his post-conviction writ of habeas corpus and authorizing the habeas court to draw an adverse
    inference from his silence); Bean v. Calderon, 
    166 F.R.D. 452
    , 455 (E.D. Cal. 1996) (allowing an
    adverse inference to be drawn from habeas applicant’s refusal to put forth facts that were in his personal
    knowledge and might have supported his claim); Nichols v. State, No. E1998-00562-CCA-R3-PD, 
    2001 WL 55747
    , at *14 (Tenn. Crim. App. Jan. 19, 2001) (not designated for publication) (holding State
    properly called habeas petitioner to the stand during a post-conviction hearing because the petitioner had
    no Fifth Amendment claim because his conviction had become final years earlier); State v. Click, 
    768 So. 2d 417
    , 419-22 (Ala. Crim. App. 1999), cert. denied, 
    121 S. Ct. 92
    (2000) (holding inmate, whose
    conviction and sentence had been affirmed on direct appeal, had no Fifth Amendment right against
    self-incrimination in a hearing on his petition for post-conviction relief attacking his conviction); State ex
    rel. Myers v. Sanders, 
    526 S.E.2d 320
    (W.Va. 1999) (allowing habeas court to draw an adverse inference
    from Petitioner’s Fifth Amendment objection to questions propounded to him during a deposition in his
    post-conviction proceeding). See also Lambright v. Ryan, 
    698 F.3d 808
    , 823 (9th Cir. 2012) (recognizing
    that a defendant who seeks to litigate a particular post-conviction claim implicitly waives the Fifth
    Amendment to the extent necessary to allow the State a fair opportunity to defend against it provided that
    any information gained cannot be used in any subsequent proceedings).
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    And while some of these cases are unpublished, and therefore lack precedential value, we
    have relied upon unpublished precedent as evidence that a particular legal issue is, at best,
    “unsettled” such that there is no clear right to the extraordinary remedy of prohibition.
    
    Simon, 306 S.W.3d at 322
    .
    Arguably, however, death-penalty cases should be treated differently because, unlike
    traditional habeas corpus in which a defendant is already serving his sentence as he sues for
    relief, the sentence in a death-capital case truly becomes final only upon execution. For
    example, the Supreme Court of New Mexico held that the State was precluded from deposing
    a death-penalty defendant regarding his communications with his attorney after the defendant
    filed a post-conviction writ of habeas corpus alleging ineffective assistance of counsel. Allen
    v. LeMaster, 
    267 P.3d 806
    , 807-08 (New Mexico 2011). The Court reasoned that the writ
    of habeas corpus was a continuing part of the criminal proceedings because it was mandated
    by state rules of criminal procedure. 
    Id. at 811.
    Of course, the New Mexico Supreme Court was very clear to specify that it was
    reaching this decision as a matter of state law rather than an application of the Fifth
    Amendment. 
    Id. at 812
    (“The reason those state and federal constitutional questions need
    not be resolved in this action is because the dispositive resolution to this case is explicitly
    provided by our established Rules of Criminal Procedure.”). The holding turned on whether
    a New Mexico court rule specifically prohibiting the deposition of a criminal defendant
    applied to a post-conviction proceeding. 
    Id. at 812
    . Allen provides no support for the
    proposition that the particular procedures for death-penalty writs of habeas corpus in New
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    Mexico mandate the applicability of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination
    post-conviction. As non-binding authority, it doesn’t command a particular interpretation
    of the Texas statutes, either.
    Were we addressing the issue as matter of state law in the first instance, as the
    Supreme Court of New Mexico did, we could weigh precedent from different jurisdictions
    to settle the law in Texas based upon which cases we find persuasive.12 But this issue does
    not come to us on direct appeal of a dismissal of a writ of habeas corpus, as it did the high
    court in New Mexico, and the extraordinary remedy of mandamus or prohibition is not a
    substitute for and cannot be used to perform the office of appeal. State ex. rel. Healey v.
    McMeans, 
    884 S.W.2d 772
    , 774 (Tex. Crim. App. 1994). At best, Allen further demonstrates
    that the law on this Fifth Amendment issue is unsettled particularly in light of the fact that
    the Supreme Court of New Mexico explicitly left it that way. Cf. State ex rel. Myers v.
    Sanders, 
    526 S.E.2d 320
    (W.Va. 1999) (denying writ of prohibition to overturn circuit
    court’s order that it could draw an adverse inference from Petitioner’s Fifth Amendment
    objection to questions propounded to him during a deposition in his habeas corpus
    12
    If that were the case, we could just as easily be persuaded by the decision from the Court of
    Criminal Appeals of Alabama in State v. Click, 
    768 So. 2d
    . 417 (Ala. Crim. App. 1999). There, the court
    of appeals granted mandamus relief to the State of Alabama and vacated a trial court’s order prohibiting
    the State from calling the defendant to the witness stand in a post-conviction hearing on his application
    for writ of habeas corpus. 
    Click, 768 So. 2d at 422
    . The court reasoned that the defendant could not rely
    upon the Fifth Amendment because he voluntarily filed his post-conviction petition, and the possibility
    that answering questions regarding communications with his attorney would subject him to criminal
    liability was remote and improbable. 
    Id. at 421.
    Notably, the United States Supreme Court denied the
    defendant’s petition for writ of certiorari in that case. Click v. Alabama, 
    531 U.S. 834
    (Oct. 2, 2000).
    But the standard for the extraordinary remedy of prohibition is not one of mere persuasion, the result
    must be positively commanded and so plainly prescribed under the law as to be free from doubt. State ex
    rel. Hill v. Court of Appeals for Fifth Dist., 
    34 S.W.3d 924
    , 928 (Tex. Crim. App. 2001).
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    proceeding). A writ of prohibition is not the proper vehicle to settle unsettled law.
    Additionally, we have already applied the doctrine of constructive waiver of the Fifth
    Amendment in cases in which the death penalty has been assessed. We recognized in
    Lagrone that, even if a defendant merely plans to introduce testimony from a psychiatric
    expert based upon an examination of a defendant, a trial court can compel his examination
    by a state-sponsored psychiatric expert despite his assertion of the Fifth Amendment.
    
    Lagrone, 942 S.W.2d at 611
    . We explained that “our sense of justice will not tolerate
    allowing criminal defendants to testify through the defense expert and then use the Fifth
    Amendment privilege against self-incrimination to shield themselves from cross-examination
    on the issues which they have put in dispute.” 
    Id. at 611.
    The possibility of a death sentence
    did not require an expansion of the protection afforded by the Fifth Amendment beyond its
    existing scope.
    A similar rationale has been used in the context of a defendant seeking to overturn his
    conviction based upon ineffective assistance of counsel when his attorneys make
    representations regarding communications with the defendant.13 In the past, we have relied,
    at least in part, upon a defendant’s statements to his counsel as a basis for holding that trial
    counsel was reasonable in his abandonment of efforts to investigate possible mitigation
    13
    Relator argues that, as a matter of policy, this type of constructive-waiver theory could have a
    dramatic chilling effect upon a defendant’s willingness to communicate with his attorney. But the same
    could be said of requiring affidavits from trial counsel when a claim is raised regarding ineffective
    assistance of counsel. And regardless of how commendable or desirable the policy might or might not
    be, a trial court does not have a ministerial duty to rule a particular way just because it would be good
    policy. 
    Rosenthal, 98 S.W.3d at 198
    (“Mandamus does not lie to correct a trial court’s ruling on an
    “unsettled or uncertain” question of law.”).
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    evidence. Ex parte Martinez, 
    195 S.W.3d 713
    , 729 (Tex. Crim. App. 2006). And we have
    suggested, albeit in dicta, that a defendant’s communication with his attorney endorsing a
    strategy of attorney non-participation might suggest that the defendant waived the right to
    effective assistance of counsel. Cannon v. State, 
    252 S.W.3d 342
    , 352 (Tex. Crim. App.
    2008). While this statement was not integral to the holding in Cannon, it reflects that there
    is no established bar to at least some inquiry of a criminal defendant by a judge into whether
    a defendant approved of trial counsel’s brinkmanship when the defendant raises a claim of
    ineffective assistance of counsel.14 And we have recognized that a defendant who brings a
    claim of ineffective assistance of counsel necessarily waives his attorney-client privilege,
    allowing inquiry into a defendant’s communications with counsel. 
    Thomas, 428 S.W.3d at 106
    . There is at least an argument to be made that relator has opened himself up to
    questioning by proffering trial counsel’s assertions that relator did not approve of trial
    counsel’s refusal to present any punishment evidence in relator’s case. Ex parte Tiede, 
    448 S.W.3d 456
    , 470 n. 36 (Tex. Crim. App. 2014) (Keller, P.J. dissenting) (“Applicant did not
    testify at the habeas hearing. It could be argued that he ought to testify and subject himself
    to cross-examination before we give any credence to his claims. Although a defendant has
    14
    This Court has pointed to this type of judicial inquiry to determine whether a waiver of a
    particular right is knowing and voluntary. See, e.g., Williams v. State, 
    252 S.W.3d 353
    , 356 (Tex. Crim.
    App. 2008) (“The trial judge is responsible for determining whether a defendant’s waiver [of the Sixth
    Amendment right to counsel] is knowing, intelligent, and voluntary.”). This Court has also held that a
    trial court must make a discrete inquiry, outside the presence of the jury, into the reasonableness of a
    witness’s assertion of the right against self-incrimination outside the presence of the jury. Walters v.
    State, 
    359 S.W.3d 212
    , 216 (Tex. Crim. App. 2011). But none of these question-and-answer sessions
    have been extended to allow the State to call a criminal defendant to the stand for direct examination.
    The holding in Cannon certainly does not address that type of procedure.
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    a right not to testify guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination,
    appellant has already testified at the punishment stage of trial, and it is arguable that he has
    indirectly testified on habeas through [expert] testimony and the documents submitted by
    other experts.”). But of course, that is not currently the law either.
    Both relator and the State agree that we have never specifically held that merely
    bringing a claim of ineffective assistance waives the Fifth Amendment right. And relator’s
    use of his own testimony is considerably more indirect than the situation presented in
    Lagrone. But we are not called upon to decide whether the scope of our prior precedents
    logically extend to cover this situation. Instead, we are called upon to decide whether the
    trial court was asked to make a judicial decision or a ministerial one regarding the scope of
    the Fifth Amendment. Prohibition will not lie unless the act is positively commanded and
    so plainly prescribed under the law as to be free from doubt. State ex rel. Hill v. Court of
    Appeals for Fifth Dist., 
    34 S.W.3d 924
    , 928 (Tex. Crim. App. 2001). If the trial court was
    merely asked to decide a novel issue of unsettled law, prohibition is inappropriate. 
    Simon, 306 S.W.3d at 322
    .
    Relator’s case is analogous to the situation presented in Simon v. Levario. There, the
    trial court issued an order compelling the relator to undergo a state-sponsored psychiatric
    exam over a Fifth Amendment challenge. 
    Simon, 306 S.W.3d at 320
    . The relator filed an
    application for a writ of prohibition claiming that Lagrone applied only to cases in which the
    State sought the death penalty. 
    Id. at 321.
    The State responded that, even though we had not
    decided whether Lagrone applied outside of the context of death-penalty cases, the legal
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    principle announced in Lagrone could be extended to any criminal case. 
    Id. Without deciding
    the issue on the merits, we explained:
    If what we said in Lagrone is not limited in principle to the type of psychiatric
    evidence presented at the punishment phase of a capital murder death-penalty
    trial, it may not be limited in principle to the punishment phase of a capital
    murder death-penalty trial, or even to death-penalty cases at all. Accordingly,
    we cannot say under the circumstances of this case–and particularly in view of
    the tight restrictions the trial court imposed on the State in its order–that the
    relator has established a clear right to be insulated from examination by a
    State’s psychiatric expert. In granting the State’s motion in this case, the trial
    court exercised a manifestly judicial (and not a ministerial) function. Such an
    “accomplished judicial act” is not subject to the extraordinary remedy of
    prohibition.
    
    Simon, 306 S.W.3d at 322
    . Just as in Simon, the trial court in this case was called upon to
    make a judicial decision on the scope of the Fifth Amendment right against self-
    incrimination. We expect trial court judges to make difficult legal decisions on novel
    arguments like this one all the time. That we might disagree with the result does not make
    the trial court’s decision a ministerial one.
    The central standard for the Fifth Amendment’s application has been whether the
    claimant is confronted by substantial and “real” risk of incrimination regardless of the nature
    of the proceedings. Marchetti v. United States, 
    390 U.S. 39
    , 53 (1968). This Court does not
    hold that the Fifth Amendment would never be applicable in a post-conviction habeas
    proceeding simply because of the nature of the proceeding. Such a definitive stance would
    be inappropriate in a writ of prohibition case. Rather, we hold only that, under the
    circumstances presented in this case, prohibition relief is inappropriate. We reach this
    conclusion because the law is at least unsettled as to whether relator truly faces any
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    substantial or real risk of further criminal liability given the nature of relator’s specific claim
    of ineffective assistance of counsel, the strong limits placed on the scope of questioning by
    the trial court, and the grant of use and derivative-use immunity that prevents the State from
    using any testimony or information gained from this hearing in any subsequent proceeding.
    Consequently, relator has not established he has a clear right to the relief he seeks. We deny
    relator’s petition for writ of prohibition.
    DELIVERED: November 4, 2015
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