Clayton Hulbert v. Brian Pope ( 2023 )


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    PUBLISHED
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT
    No. 21-1608
    CLAYTON R. HULBERT, as personal representative of the Estate of Jeffrey W.
    Hulbert; KEVIN HULBERT; MARYLAND SHALL ISSUE, INC., for itself and its
    members,
    Plaintiffs - Appellees
    v.
    BRIAN T. POPE, Sgt.
    Defendant - Appellant
    and
    MICHAEL WILSON, Colonel
    Defendant
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    NATIONAL POLICE ASSOCIATION
    Amicus Supporting Appellant.
    Appeal from the United States District Court for the District of Maryland at Baltimore.
    Stephanie A. Gallagher, District Judge. (1:18−cv−00461−SAG)
    Argued: May 3, 2023                                                  Decided: June 14, 2023
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    Before WILKINSON, AGEE, and HEYTENS, Circuit Judges.
    Reversed and remanded by published opinion. Judge Wilkinson wrote the opinion, in
    which Judge Agee and Judge Heytens joined.
    ARGUED: James Nelson Lewis, OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF
    MARYLAND, Baltimore, Maryland, for Appellant. Cary Johnson Hansel, III, HANSEL
    LAW, P.C., Baltimore, Maryland, for Appellees. ON BRIEF: Brian E. Frosh, Attorney
    General, OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF MARYLAND, Baltimore,
    Maryland, for Appellant. Robert S. Lafferrandre, Jeffrey C. Hendrickson, PIERCE
    COUCH HENDRICKSON BAYSINGER & GREEN, L.L.P., Oklahoma City, Oklahoma,
    for Amicus Curiae.
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    WILKINSON, Circuit Judge:
    Sergeant Brian Pope, a Maryland Capitol Police officer, appeals the district court’s
    denial of qualified immunity on several First and Fourth Amendment claims brought by
    picketers whom he arrested on the sidewalk outside the Maryland State House. Pope
    arrested the picketers after they disobeyed his orders to back up off the sidewalk and protest
    instead from an adjoining square. Because a reasonable officer in Pope’s position could
    have believed that the orders constituted lawful time, place, or manner restrictions on the
    picketers’ First Amendment rights, Pope is entitled to qualified immunity. We therefore
    reverse and remand with directions to the district court to enter judgment for Pope.
    I.
    A.
    Brothers Jeff and Kevin Hulbert created an informal group, “The Patriot Picket,”
    that advocates for gun rights. The group stages regular picketing demonstrations near the
    Maryland State House in Annapolis during the legislative session.
    On the evening of February 5, 2018, the Hulbert brothers and six other members of
    the group began picketing on a 15.5-foot-wide strip of public sidewalk at the intersection
    of two streets in downtown Annapolis. They chose the location for its visibility to the
    public and state lawmakers. The picket was situated one block from the State House,
    separated only by a grassy square known as Lawyers’ Mall.
    Sergeant Brian Pope, an officer with the Maryland Capitol Police (MCP), was in his
    office when a dispatcher told him that picketers were gathering in front of Lawyers’ Mall.
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    The dispatcher specified that an aide with the Governor’s Mansion had requested the
    Capitol Police sort out the situation.
    Pope went over to the dispatcher’s office and obtained a video feed of the area. He
    observed an individual—later identified as Kevin Hulbert—standing alone on the sidewalk
    with signs around him. The dispatcher explained that the other picketers had recently left.
    Pope next sought the guidance of his supervisor, Sergeant Dennis Donaldson, who
    in turn called the chief of the Capitol Police, Colonel Michael Wilson. After discussing
    potential safety issues, Wilson advised Donaldson to have Pope evaluate the demonstration
    and, if necessary, relocate it. Donaldson relayed the order to Pope, instructing him to let
    the picketers continue their demonstration from Lawyers’ Mall.
    Pope went out to the sidewalk and encountered Kevin Hulbert, who remained alone.
    Kevin Hulbert told Pope that the other picketers were getting food. Pope did not observe
    the immediate obstruction of vehicular or pedestrian traffic but contends that he anticipated
    safety issues would arise. He instructed Kevin to move the demonstration off the sidewalk
    and onto the adjoining Lawyers’ Mall, thereby creating a buffer between the picketers and
    traffic on the sidewalk and streets. Kevin did not respond.
    An hour later, Pope returned to the area and noticed that the other picketers had
    come back and were demonstrating on the sidewalk. He approached the group and ordered
    them to back up onto Lawyers’ Mall. Some members of the group initially complied, but
    Jeff Hulbert then declared that they were not moving. Pope repeated his command at least
    two more times, threatening to arrest those who did not comply.
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    The picketers held firm. Pope called for backup. Once several officers arrived on
    the scene, Pope arrested Jeff Hulbert. Kevin Hulbert and multiple passersby filmed the
    arrest, and Pope ordered them to back up off the sidewalk as well. After Kevin alone failed
    to comply, Pope placed him under arrest too.
    The Hulbert brothers were searched and transported to a city police station for
    processing. At the station, Pope issued each brother a single criminal citation for
    disobeying a lawful order under § 10-201(c)(3) of the Maryland Criminal Law Article. He
    then released the brothers, who had been in custody for just over an hour.
    The following day, per a decision by Colonel Wilson, Pope and other officers issued
    the Hulbert brothers additional citations for hindering passage in a public place and for
    refusing to leave public grounds under § 10-201(c)(1) and § 6-409(b) of the Criminal Law
    Article, respectively. Three days later, all charges against the Hulbert brothers were
    dropped.
    B.
    The Hulbert brothers and Maryland Shall Issue, Inc.—a non-profit organization to
    which they belong—sued Pope and Wilson in the U.S. District Court for the District of
    Maryland. They brought federal First Amendment and Fourth Amendment claims under
    
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
     as well as several state-law claims. Pope and Wilson moved for summary
    judgment primarily on the grounds of qualified immunity. The district court granted
    summary judgment to the defendants on all counts except for four of the claims against
    Pope: Count I (First Amendment right to demonstrate); Count II (First Amendment right
    to film police officers); Count III (First Amendment right to be free from retaliation for
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    lawful speech); and Count IV (Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable
    seizure).
    With respect to Count I, the district court analyzed Pope’s orders for the picketers
    to move off the sidewalk as time, place, or manner restrictions on speech. The court
    concluded that genuine disputes of material fact precluded summary judgment for Pope.
    Applying the Supreme Court’s test for whether a time, place, or manner restriction in a
    public forum passes constitutional muster, the court held that Pope’s orders satisfied two
    of the three criteria. See J.A. 745–46 (citing United States v. Grace, 
    461 U.S. 171
    , 177
    (1983)). First, the orders were “content-neutral” because “[t]he testimony uniformly
    show[ed]” that the conversations between Pope, his dispatcher, and Donaldson “were about
    potential safety concerns and the fact that the Plaintiffs did not have a pre-approved
    permit”; “[n]othing in the record . . . entailed any discussion of the content of the Plaintiffs’
    message.” Id. at 747. Second, the orders left open “ample alternative channels” because the
    Hulberts were allowed to continue demonstrating in the same manner and only needed to
    move, at most, about fifteen feet. Id. at 747–48.
    When it came to the third criterion for a constitutional speech restriction, however,
    the court found that genuine disputes of material fact precluded a finding that “a significant
    government interest was served” by his orders. Id. at 754. The court recognized that the
    state generally has a significant interest “in maintaining the safety, order, and accessibility
    of its streets and sidewalks.” Id. at 749 (quoting Ross v. Early, 
    746 F.3d 546
    , 555 (4th Cir.
    2014)). But the court determined that there remained “factual disputes requiring jury
    resolution as to whether [that] interest was served by the police action.” Id. at 751. In
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    particular, it noted that there was no evidence that the picketers were impeding pedestrian
    or vehicular traffic at the moment when they were asked to move onto Lawyers’ Mall. It
    also pointed to a factual dispute over whether any picketers were in the street or using the
    crosswalk. In the court’s view, “whether any real, non-conjectural safety issue was aided
    by Sgt. Pope’s actions” was a “genuine issue of material fact” that precluded summary
    judgment on Count I. Id. at 753–54.
    With respect to Count II, the court held that Kevin Hulbert had a clearly established
    right to film the police despite the lack of binding Supreme Court or Fourth Circuit caselaw
    because a majority of other circuits had recognized such a right. The court found that Pope
    arrested Kevin “because he did not comply with repeated orders to move to Lawyers’ Mall,
    not because he was filming.” Id. at 756. But it framed Pope’s interference with the
    demonstration as a time, place, or manner restriction on Kevin’s right to film and concluded
    that summary judgment was inappropriate because of the genuine dispute of material fact
    as to whether the interference served a significant government interest.
    The court denied summary judgment on Count III, the First Amendment retaliatory-
    arrest claim, and Count IV, the Fourth Amendment unreasonable-seizure claim, for a
    similar reason. It noted that the existence of probable cause would defeat both claims, see
    Nieves v. Bartlett, 
    139 S. Ct. 1715
    , 1725 (2019) (retaliatory arrest); Brown v. Gilmore,
    
    278 F.2d 362
    , 367 (4th Cir. 2002) (unreasonable seizure), but the failure to obey an
    unconstitutional order could not serve as the basis for probable cause. Reasoning that
    factual disputes precluded the court from determining whether Pope’s orders complied with
    the First Amendment, it denied summary judgment on these claims.
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    Pope filed a motion for reconsideration, which the district court denied. He
    proceeded to file this interlocutory appeal.
    II.
    We review a “district court’s denial of qualified immunity on summary judgment
    . . . de novo, applying the same legal standards as the district court did on summary
    judgment.” Yates v. Terry, 
    817 F.3d 877
    , 883 (4th Cir. 2016). “Generally, our jurisdiction
    is limited to final decisions of the district court.” Williams v. Strickland, 
    917 F.3d 763
    , 767
    (4th Cir. 2019); see 
    28 U.S.C. § 1291
    . But qualified immunity is an “immunity from suit
    rather than a mere defense to liability” and is “effectively lost if a case is erroneously
    permitted to go to trial.” Mitchell v. Forsyth, 
    472 U.S. 511
    , 526 (1985). A district court’s
    denial of qualified immunity at summary judgment is therefore a collateral order “subject
    to immediate appellate review, despite being interlocutory.” Williams, 
    917 F.3d at 768
    .
    We have jurisdiction to review the denial of qualified immunity “to the extent that
    the court’s decision turned on an issue of law,” Danser v. Stansberry, 
    772 F.3d 340
    , 344
    (4th Cir. 2014), or an “ostensibly fact-bound issue that may be resolved as a matter of law,”
    Al Shimari v. CACI Int’l, Inc., 
    679 F.3d 205
    , 221–22 (4th Cir. 2012) (en banc). We may
    “determine as a matter of law whether the defendants violated [plaintiff’s] constitutional
    rights, considering the facts as the district court viewed them as well as any additional
    undisputed facts.” Danser, 772 F.3d at 345. And even where certain facts remain disputed,
    we have jurisdiction to decide the legal question of whether those facts are “material” to
    the question of the officer’s qualified immunity. Jackson v. Long, 
    102 F.3d 722
    , 727
    (4th Cir. 1996); see Johnson v. Caudill, 
    475 F.3d 645
    , 649–50 (4th Cir. 2007).
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    An officer is entitled to qualified immunity unless he (1) “violated a federal statutory
    or constitutional right, and (2) the unlawfulness of [his] conduct was clearly established at
    the time.” District of Columbia v. Wesby, 
    138 S. Ct. 577
    , 589 (2018) (quotation marks
    omitted). Qualified immunity thus shields officers “from civil damages liability as long as
    their actions could reasonably have been thought consistent with the rights they are alleged
    to have violated.” Ray v. Roane, 
    948 F.3d 222
    , 228 (4th Cir. 2020) (quoting Anderson v.
    Creighton, 
    483 U.S. 635
    , 638 (1987)). It thereby requires the dismissal of suits against “all
    but the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law.” Malley v. Briggs,
    
    475 U.S. 335
    , 341 (1986).
    The doctrine of qualified immunity addresses the concern that “permitting damages
    suits against government officials can entail substantial social costs, including the risk that
    fear of personal monetary liability and harassing litigation will unduly inhibit officials in
    the discharge of their duties.” Anderson, 
    483 U.S. at 638
    . To that end, it protects officers
    by providing them with a sphere of limited discretion in which to perform their duties—
    “breathing room to make reasonable but mistaken judgments.” Ashcroft v. al-Kidd,
    
    563 U.S. 731
    , 743 (2011); see Anderson, 
    483 U.S. at 638
    .
    So if, on the undisputed facts, Pope’s “actions could reasonably have been thought
    consistent with” the Hulberts’ First and Fourth Amendment rights, Anderson, 
    483 U.S. at 638
    , he is entitled to qualified immunity as a matter of law. For the reasons that follow,
    this case presents a classic exercise of reasonable judgment that qualified immunity
    protects.
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    III.
    Pope challenges on appeal the district court’s denial of qualified immunity on the
    plaintiffs’ First and Fourth Amendment claims. We discuss each in turn.
    A.
    Pope first argues that he deserves qualified immunity from the plaintiffs’ claim that
    he violated their First Amendment right to lawfully demonstrate. He does not dispute that
    this right encompassed the Hulberts’ February 5, 2018 demonstration. Rather, he maintains
    that his on-the-spot intervention—ordering the picketers to move off the sidewalk—“could
    reasonably have been thought consistent” with this First Amendment right. Anderson,
    
    483 U.S. at 638
    . Pope’s actions must be evaluated based on their “objective legal
    reasonableness,” 
    id. at 639
    , and on this score, Pope contends that he is entitled to qualified
    immunity even if he was ultimately mistaken.
    We agree. Any “unlawfulness of [Pope’s] conduct” with respect to the picketers’
    First Amendment right to demonstrate was not “clearly established at the time,” Wesby,
    
    138 S. Ct. at 589
     (quotation marks omitted), or “beyond debate,” White v. Pauly, 
    580 U.S. 73
    , 79 (2017) (quotation marks omitted). That is, a reasonable officer in Pope’s shoes could
    have believed that his orders were consistent with the picketers’ First Amendment rights.
    The First Amendment’s monumental rights to speech and assembly are not without
    limit. As the district court recognized, the First Amendment does not guarantee a right to
    protest “at all times and places or in any manner that may be desired.” J.A. 745 (quoting
    Heffron v. Int’l Soc’y for Krishna Consciousness, Inc., 
    452 U.S. 640
    , 647 (1981)). Rather,
    the Supreme Court has long recognized that the government may impose reasonable “time,
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    place, or manner” restrictions on First Amendment freedoms. McCullen v. Coakley,
    
    573 U.S. 464
    , 486 (2014); see Ward v. Rock Against Racism, 
    491 U.S. 781
    , 791 (1989);
    Linmark Assocs., Inc. v. Willingboro Twp., 
    431 U.S. 85
    , 93 (1977). Such restrictions, which
    specify when, where, or how speech may be delivered, “stand on a different footing from
    laws prohibiting speech altogether.” Linmark, 
    431 U.S. at 93
    .
    Pope’s orders constituted an ad hoc restriction on the picketers’ time and place of
    protest, commanding them to retreat for a time from the strip of sidewalk where they stood.
    Because Pope was imposing a time, place, or manner restriction in a public forum, his
    orders were lawful if they (1) were “content neutral,” (2) preserved “ample alternative
    channels for communication,” and (3) were “narrowly tailored to serve a significant
    governmental interest.” Ward, 
    491 U.S. at 791
     (quotation marks omitted).
    The record makes clear that Pope’s orders satisfied the first two of these criteria.
    The district court found “no evidence” suggesting that Pope was hostile to the picketers’
    views or motivated by the content of their speech. J.A. 747. Indeed the arrests here were
    plainly based on the failure of the protesters to obey a lawful order, not on anything related
    to the message the protesters sought to convey. Based on the uncontradicted testimony that
    Pope was responding to safety concerns, the court properly held that his orders were
    content-neutral. Likewise, the court was correct to find that Pope’s orders had left the
    picketers with wide “avenues for the more general dissemination of [their] message.” 
    Id.
    (quotation marks omitted) (quoting Ross, 
    746 F.3d at 559
    ). Pope had indeed proposed a
    close alternative: The picketers could continue their demonstration from Lawyers’ Mall,
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    an area bordering the sidewalk that was “frequently used for political demonstrations.” Id.
    at 738.
    To assess whether Pope’s orders were lawful, then, the only remaining question
    would be whether the orders were also “narrowly tailored to serve a significant
    governmental interest.” Ward, 
    491 U.S. at 791
     (quotation marks omitted). This third
    criterion of a permissible time, place, or manner restriction would be satisfied if Pope’s
    orders both “promot[ed] a substantial government interest” and did “not burden
    substantially more speech than [wa]s necessary to further the government’s legitimate
    interests.” Ross, 
    746 F.3d at
    552–53 (quotation marks omitted).
    1.
    We start with whether Pope’s orders promoted a substantial governmental interest.
    There is no doubt that Pope’s proffered interest, “public safety,” can be “substantial.” Ross,
    
    746 F.3d at 555
    ; see J.A. 332 (“Out of concern for public safety . . . the demonstrating
    group was asked to relocate to Lawyers’ Mall.”). We have repeatedly held that the “safety,
    order, and accessibility of . . . streets and sidewalks” are interests sufficient to justify a
    time, place, or manner restriction. Ross, 
    746 F.3d at 555
     (quotation marks omitted); see
    Green v. City of Raleigh, 
    523 F.3d 293
    , 301 (4th Cir. 2008); Cox v. City of Charleston, 
    416 F.3d 281
    , 284 (4th Cir. 2005); see also McCullen, 573 U.S. at 496–97 (noting the
    government’s “undeniably significant interests in maintaining public safety on . . . streets
    and sidewalks”). Pope’s safety rationale may thus constitute a substantial state interest.
    Our inquiry does not stop there, however. Mere lip service to “an interest that is
    significant in the abstract” does not show that an officer’s conduct actually promoted the
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    stated interest. Ross, 
    746 F.3d at 556
    . So Pope’s orders were lawful only to the extent “the
    recited harms [were] ‘real, not merely conjectural,’” and his orders “‘alleviate[d] these
    harms in a direct and material way.’” 
    Id.
     (quoting Satellite Broad. & Commc’ns Ass’n v.
    FCC, 
    275 F.3d 337
    , 356 (4th Cir.2001)). The district court ruled that summary judgment
    was improper on this basis—due to “a genuine issue of material fact as to whether any real,
    non-conjectural safety issue was aided by Sgt. Pope’s actions.” J.A. 753–54.
    The unresolved factual disputes noted by the district court—such as whether
    picketers “were in the street or crosswalks”—are not “material” in light of the undisputed
    facts of this case. J.A. 753. Given those undisputed facts, it was objectively reasonable for
    Pope to anticipate a real safety threat and respond with the modest directive that the
    picketers back up, at most, fifteen feet. Those facts are as follows: It was dark out, and
    accidents “may result from the darkness of the night.” The Teutonia, 
    90 U.S. 77
    , 84 (1874).
    Pope’s supervisor had warned of a safety issue related to the demonstration. The Maryland
    legislature was set to soon convene just one block away, generating significant pedestrian
    traffic. And the picketers were brandishing large signs at an intersection where pedestrians
    had twice been struck by vehicles in the preceding year.
    Even if the picketers were merely crowded along the sidewalk and not on the street,
    a reasonable officer could have inferred a safety risk from these facts. In determining
    whether there is a substantial state interest, an officer may rely on “common sense and
    logic, particularly where, as here, the burden on speech is relatively small.” Ross, 
    746 F.3d at 556
     (citation and quotation marks omitted). And the intuitions supporting Pope’s orders,
    made under the pressure of the moment, are not difficult to follow. That large signs will
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    attract notice from passing cars and that “distracted” drivers could endanger pedestrians,
    J.A. 332, are “common-sense conclusions,” Wesby, 
    138 S. Ct. at 587
     (quotation marks
    omitted). Pope’s solution—making the sidewalk a buffer between picketers and roadway—
    in turn placed a “relatively small” burden on the picketers’ rights. Ross, 
    746 F.3d at 556
    .
    Pope did not say “disperse”; all he said was to move back a few feet. His directive logically
    served to make the picket less striking to passing traffic, thereby reducing the risk of an
    accident in a “direct and material way.” 
    Id.
     (quotation marks omitted).
    Plaintiffs counter that the level of traffic congestion was low at the time Pope gave
    his orders. But if every fact had to favor his intervention, the doctrine of qualified immunity
    would be a dead letter. Qualified immunity protects reasonable judgments precisely when
    some facts cut the other way. Pope’s inference that activity would soon pick up was, in any
    case, “not merely conjectural.” Satellite, 275 F.3d at 356. A legislative session was
    “expected to convene within a few hours.” J.A. 751. Pope thus had grounds to suppose that
    legislators, staffers, and lobbyists would soon be converging on the capitol grounds.
    One can quibble over when exactly Pope should have acted. But no law, clearly
    established or otherwise, required Pope to wait for an imminent traffic accident. Preventive
    measures to promote public safety are a basic contribution of government. See, e.g., Ross,
    
    746 F.3d at 550, 556
     (upholding municipal policy “to manage the potential disruption to
    pedestrian and automotive traffic caused by protesters”); Kass v. City of New York,
    
    864 F.3d 200
    , 209 (2d Cir. 2017) (upholding order to disperse although plaintiff had not
    yet “actually impeded pedestrian traffic or caused a security issue”); Evans v. Sandy City,
    
    944 F.3d 847
    , 858 (10th Cir. 2019) (stating that the government need not “wait for
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    accidents to justify safety regulations”). Prophylactic traffic-safety measures serve a
    substantial governmental interest.
    Pope’s assessment of safety risks and attempts to mitigate them were informed by
    common sense and the facts on the ground, not animus or conjecture. It was at least
    reasonable for him to believe that his orders promoted a substantial governmental interest.
    2.
    The narrow-tailoring criterion also requires that the time, place, or manner
    restriction “not burden substantially more speech than is necessary to further the
    government’s legitimate interests.” Ross, 
    746 F.3d at 555
     (quotation marks omitted). On
    the record at summary judgment, Pope’s orders did not substantially exceed their safety-
    enhancing purpose so, a fortiori, their unlawfulness was not clearly established.
    To satisfy this criterion, Pope’s orders need not have been “the least restrictive or
    least intrusive means” to achieve the stated governmental interest. Ward, 
    491 U.S. at 798
    .
    Here, however, it is difficult to imagine narrower orders that Pope could have given to
    realize the desired effect. Although Pope told the picketers to move off the sidewalk, he
    allowed them to continue their demonstration mere steps away and did not seek any change
    to their “manner or type of expression.” 
    Id. at 802
    . For the purposes of qualified immunity,
    then, it was at the very least reasonable for Pope to suppose that such a directive did not
    burden substantially more speech than was necessary.
    In sum, the undisputed material facts establish Pope acted reasonably when he
    arrested the Hulbert brothers for disobeying clear orders. See 
    Md. Code Ann., Crim. Law § 10-201
    (c)(3) (criminalizing the willful failure to obey a police officer’s reasonable and
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    lawful order). Pope is thus entitled to qualified immunity on plaintiffs’ First Amendment
    right-to-demonstrate claim.
    B.
    Pope next challenges the district court’s denial of qualified immunity on Kevin
    Hulbert’s First Amendment right-to-film claim. The court denied qualified immunity
    because it held that there was a genuine dispute of material fact as to whether Pope’s
    interference with Kevin’s filming served a significant governmental interest. The trial court
    erred, however, because “the unlawfulness of [Pope’s] conduct” with respect to the filming
    was not “clearly established at the time.” Wesby, 
    138 S. Ct. at 589 (2018)
     (quotation marks
    omitted).
    We first note the district court’s finding that Pope arrested Kevin “because he did
    not comply with repeated orders to move to Lawyers’ Mall, not because he was filming.”
    J.A. 756. “[T]here is no evidence that Sgt. Pope ever told Kevin Hulbert that he could not
    film”; Pope simply ordered him off the sidewalk. 
    Id.
     Pope only arrested Kevin after he
    disobeyed this order; Pope did not stop or arrest others who were filming. 
    Id.
     Given these
    facts, Pope is entitled to qualified immunity unless it was clearly established that ordering
    Kevin to move back while he was filming would violate his First Amendment rights.
    Pope’s order imposed a reasonable time, place, or manner restriction on Kevin’s
    filming: Kevin could continue to film but had to do so from off the sidewalk. This order
    did not violate Kevin’s clearly established rights. Neither this court, nor the Supreme Court,
    nor any other circuit has recognized an unlimited First Amendment right to film police free
    of otherwise reasonable limitations. In fact, the circuits that recognized a right to film
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    explicitly noted that it “may be subject to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.”
    Turner v. Lieutenant Driver, 
    848 F.3d 678
    , 690 (5th Cir. 2017) (quotation marks omitted);
    see Fields v. City of Philadelphia, 
    862 F.3d 353
    , 360 (3d Cir. 2017); ACLU of Illinois v.
    Alvarez, 
    679 F.3d 583
    , 605 (7th Cir. 2012); Glik v. Cunniffe, 
    655 F.3d 78
    , 84 (1st Cir.
    2011); Smith v. City of Cumming, 
    212 F.3d 1332
    , 1333 (11th Cir. 2000). So even assuming
    that there was some clearly established right to film police, that right would have been
    subject to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.
    “Viewing these circumstances as a whole, a reasonable officer could conclude” that
    ordering Kevin to move back less than fifteen feet and film from off the sidewalk was a
    permissible time, place, and manner restriction. Wesby, 
    138 S. Ct. at 588
    . The order “could
    reasonably have been thought consistent with” any First Amendment right to film.
    Anderson, 
    483 U.S. at 638
    . On the undisputed facts, the order was “content neutral”
    because it had nothing to do with the content of what Kevin was filming. Ward, 
    491 U.S. at 791
    . It left open “ample alternative channels for communication” because Kevin was
    allowed to continue filming from off the sidewalk, just a little farther away. 
    Id. at 802
    . And
    a reasonable officer could have believed that moving Kevin and the other onlookers farther
    away, off the sidewalk and a greater distance from Pope and Jeff, was “narrowly tailored
    to serve a significant governmental interest.” 
    Id. at 796
     (quotation marks omitted).
    First, as explained above, it was reasonable to believe that the order served a
    significant governmental interest in ensuring the safety of pedestrians and drivers in the
    area. See supra Section III.A.1. Second, Kevin was filming while standing relatively close
    “behind” Pope as he arrested Jeff. J.A. 540–41 (“The second Hulbert was up on me filming
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    when I asked him to back up. . . . [A]nd I wasn’t sure what he was going to do.”). A
    reasonable officer could have believed that ordering Kevin and the other onlookers to stand
    farther away while the officer arrested Jeff served a significant interest in reducing any
    possible risk to the officer’s safety. In fact, we recently held that prohibiting the subject of
    a traffic stop from livestreaming the encounter because of a potential threat to an officer’s
    safety did not violate a clearly established First Amendment right in 2018. Sharpe v.
    Winterville Police Dep’t, 
    59 F.4th 674
    , 684 (4th Cir. 2023). Given the “relatively small”
    limitation imposed by Pope’s order to back up a few feet, Pope reasonably could have
    believed that limitation was justified by either traffic safety or his own safety. Ross, 
    746 F.3d at 556
    . And given that Kevin was allowed to continue filming, Pope also reasonably
    could have believed the order was “narrowly tailored” because it did not “burden
    substantially more speech than [was] necessary” to further these interests. Ward, 
    491 U.S. at 799
    .
    In sum, the caselaw on the right to film has explicitly recognized the permissibility
    of time, place, and manner restrictions and has not clearly delineated “the limits of this
    constitutional right.” Fields, 
    862 F.3d at 360
    ; see also, e.g., Turner, 
    848 F.3d at 690
    (declining to decide “which specific time, place, and manner restrictions would be
    reasonable”). And Pope reasonably could have believed that his order was a permissible
    time, place, or manner restriction given the general criteria governing such restrictions. See
    Ward, 
    491 U.S. at 791
    . The right to film police, to the extent one existed, was not the right
    to a close-up. “[E]xisting law” thus failed to “place[] the constitutionality of the officer’s
    conduct beyond debate” because that law was not sufficiently particularized to “clearly
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    prohibit the officer’s conduct in the particular circumstances before him.” Wesby,
    
    138 S. Ct. at
    589–90 (quotation marks omitted). Pope is therefore entitled to qualified
    immunity for ordering Kevin to move off the sidewalk while he was filming.
    Because Pope reasonably could have believed that his order was consistent with any
    First Amendment right to film, it was also reasonable for him to believe that arresting Kevin
    for disobeying that order was constitutional. See 
    Md. Code Ann., Crim. Law § 10-201
    (c)(3)
    (failure to obey a police officer’s reasonable and lawful order). While the arrest effectively
    prevented Kevin from continuing to film, we are aware of no precedent suggesting that
    there is a First Amendment right to continue filming even after one has been formally
    arrested and subjected to custody. Pope is therefore entitled to qualified immunity on Kevin
    Hulbert’s First Amendment right-to-film claim.
    C.
    Because Pope reasonably could have believed that his orders to Jeff and Kevin
    Hulbert were lawful, he is also entitled to qualified immunity on their First Amendment
    retaliatory-arrest and Fourth Amendment unreasonable-seizure claims. A First
    Amendment retaliatory-arrest claim fails as a matter of law if there was “probable cause
    for the arrest.” Nieves, 
    139 S. Ct. at 1724
    . So does a Fourth Amendment unreasonable-
    seizure claim. See Brown, 278 F.3d at 367 (“To establish an unreasonable seizure under
    the Fourth Amendment, [one] needs to show that the officers decided to arrest . . . without
    probable cause.”). But as established above, a reasonable officer in Pope’s shoes could
    have believed that his orders for the Hulberts to back up off the sidewalk were lawful time,
    place, or manner restrictions on their speech. It was therefore reasonable for Pope to believe
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    he had probable cause to arrest them for disobeying these orders, see 
    Md. Code Ann., Crim. Law § 10-201
    (c)(3), and hence reasonable for him to believe that the arrests did not violate
    their rights. Pope is thus entitled to qualified immunity on these claims.
    IV.
    This case is not without its context. The Hulbert brothers were not just protesting
    anywhere, and Pope was not just a member of any police force. That the controversy arose
    near the Maryland State House sets a backdrop to this case.
    It is undeniable that capitol grounds occupy a special place in our First Amendment
    tradition. For example, protests during the civil rights movement often took place in the
    proximity of the state house grounds. See, e.g., Cox v. Louisiana, 
    379 U.S. 536
    , 545–46
    (1965) (college students peacefully protesting segregation at state capitol building);
    Edwards v. South Carolina, 
    372 U.S. 229
    , 235 (1963) (civil rights protesters peacefully
    marching on sidewalk around state house grounds). The right to petition in the First
    Amendment would seem hollow if it did not encompass those venues where petitioning
    was most likely to bear fruit. As natural symbols of the political process, state capitols are
    places where the public is understandably drawn to express its views. Peaceful protest can
    thus strengthen the bond between government and governed when citizens speak most
    directly to their elected representatives. At their best, state house protests show democracy
    in action.
    But there is another side of the coin. State houses are more than mere monuments.
    They are the working offices of lawmakers whose business is essential to the whole art and
    practice of governance. Lawmakers must be able to carry out their constitutional duties
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    without disturbances that “divert their time, energy, and attention from their legislative
    tasks.” Eastland v. U.S. Servicemen’s Fund, 
    421 U.S. 491
    , 503 (1975). In addition, capitol
    grounds are traditionally “open to the public.” Adderly v. Florida, 
    385 U.S. 39
    , 41 (1966).
    The visitors, journalists, lobbyists, and staffers who stroll their pathways are entitled to
    safety, just as they would be on any public sidewalk or street. See McCullen, 573 U.S.
    at 496–97.
    Protest must therefore respect the “ordered liberty” that is the hallmark of free and
    functioning democratic governments. Palko v. Connecticut, 
    302 U.S. 319
    , 325 (1937).
    Both liberty and order must be held in balance; one without the other would ensure that
    neither is preserved. One may take notice of recent incidents where this balance has not
    been struck. In Michigan, armed protesters in military-style gear prompted the cancelation
    of a legislative session. See, e.g., David Welch, Michigan Cancels Legislative Session to
    Avoid Armed Protesters, Bloomberg (May 14, 2020). In Tennessee, unruly crowds
    disrupted House proceedings. See, e.g., Hundreds Protest at Tennessee Capitol for Tighter
    Gun Controls after Nashville Shooting, CBS News (Mar. 20, 2023). And a mob stormed
    our national Capitol on January 6, 2021, prompting the evacuation of lawmakers during a
    joint session of Congress dedicated to the peaceful transfer of power. See, e.g., Trump v.
    
    Thompson, 20
     F.4th 10, 18 (D.C. Cir. 2021).
    We realize the protest here did not rise to the level of those incidents. But our
    decisions ripple beyond the parties before us. Given the critical and sensitive issues they
    address, legislatures will no doubt remain a focus of the most passionate protest. And it is
    in this context that time, place, and manner restrictions have a vital role to play. They allow
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    protests to proceed, while ensuring that legislative sessions can go forward and that the
    safety of the public is guaranteed.
    Not every time, place, or manner restriction will prove lawful. But to yank the leash
    on capitol police officers too tight would at this most delicate of moments prevent them
    from taking necessary measures out of an “undue apprehension of being sued.” Nieves,
    
    139 S. Ct. at 1725
    . The upshot would be to discourage actions, even the most modest and
    incremental, that guard the sanctity of legislative proceedings and provide for the safety of
    the public. Hence the “breathing room” that qualified immunity affords. al-Kidd, 
    563 U.S. at 743
    . Properly and carefully applied, the doctrine protects the reasonable judgments that
    help sustain our constitutional democracy.
    Pope’s conduct is an example of the “split-second judgments—in circumstances that
    are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving”—that those responsible for securing our capitols
    are regularly called to make. Plumhoff v. Rickard, 
    572 U.S. 765
    , 775 (2014) (quotation
    marks omitted). Because his “actions could reasonably have been thought consistent with”
    the First and Fourth Amendments, Sergeant Pope is entitled to qualified immunity.
    Anderson, 
    483 U.S. at 638
    . Judgment on the claims herein must thus be entered on remand
    for Pope.
    Capitol police officers are asked to preserve a delicate balance between protest and
    order. Neither that balance nor the officers who maintain it should ever be taken for
    granted.
    REVERSED AND REMANDED
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